1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Breaking news Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing, day thirteen. 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: This as new video emerges, a composite sketch goes out 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: and DNA has been sent to a. 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Private crime lab in Florida. 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: This as word of a turf war between the FBI 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: and local authorities emerges. The last thing we need tonight. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. Good evening 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: everyone Again, I'm Nancy Grace. I want to thank you 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: for being with us here at Crime Stories. I want 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: to show you video that has emerged online on social 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: Let's see it, guys at the top, which I'd like. 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: To zoom in on. 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: We see yet another video that has been posted. It 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: appears to be a white or Hispanic male on the 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: front porch, reportedly from a home in the vicinity of 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie's home where she was kidnapped. This is an 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: example of one of the many many videos reportedly caught 20 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: on door cam, surveillance cam and posted. This as a 21 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: composite has been released, Joining me an all star panel 22 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know. Tonight this guy 23 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: featured in this video has not been named as a suspect, 24 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: a person of interest, anything in relation to Nancy Guthries's case. 25 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: Tammy Ballor joining US DNA crime scene consultant, crime scene 26 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: Investigation and reconstruction expert, law enforcement liaison at AUTHRAM Labs, 27 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: and former DNA criminalist in the San Diego Police Department 28 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: crime Lab, Tammy It's really important that we don't have 29 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: a wild goose chase for the wrong guy, right, But please, 30 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: everybody keep sending your videos, your door cams, your everything, 31 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: because you never know when you're gonna hit. All right, 32 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: No one is naming him as a defendant or a 33 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: purp or a co defendant in this case, Timmy Ballard, 34 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: why is it so important that the wrong person is 35 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: not named? 36 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: You do not want to follow a pathway and there 37 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: is valuable time, So at this point, excluding somebody is 38 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: as important as including somebody. So whatever information that you 39 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: can get, whatever items of evidence you can get to 40 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: include or exclude somebody, is very very critical of this time. 41 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 2: Door cams, surveillance cams, yard cams, hunting cams, wildlife cams 42 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: are being combed at this hour. Much of that video 43 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: is being posted online. Much of it is being sent 44 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: to the FBI. 45 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: They want it. 46 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of tips 47 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: that are pouring in. 48 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: That's their job. 49 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: They have an entire and elite crew set up joining 50 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: me Scott Aiker, Digital forens It's expert founding member of 51 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: the Cellular Analysis serve a team. 52 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: Cast with the FBI. 53 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: They are the people, the women and men you can 54 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: thank for pulling up that front door video. 55 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: Let's see it because it's amazing. 56 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Remember Sheriff Nano said at the beginning, Oh shucks, everybody, 57 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: it's just such a terrible koinky ink that Nancy Guthrie 58 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: did not have a subscription to her Nest because if 59 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: she had paid that extra eight ninety nine a month, 60 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: then we'd have the videos of the perp. 61 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: Darny, darn, darn. The FBI was. 62 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: Finally invited in. They cannot just come in unrequested, and 63 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: they used their. 64 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: Cast team to comb all of the. 65 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: Data points, literally trillions of data points of information through Google, 66 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: who owns Nest. Guthrie had a Nest cam, a Nest system, 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: and out of all of those trillions of points of data, 68 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: they find Nancy Guthrie's little itty biddy doorcam and they 69 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: resurrect this. 70 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: It's a maze. 71 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: So Scott iiker, I want you to weigh in on explain. Oh, 72 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: by the way, he is now at pc A Experts 73 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: as Precision Cellular Analysis Experts dot com. 74 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: Scott, who is wading through. 75 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 2: All of these videos like the one we're just saying 76 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: guy not a suspect. That's an example of some of 77 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: the videos that are being sent in. 78 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: Who is doing it? 79 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 5: Well, You've got probably a hundred analysts in the command 80 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 5: post and some being working remotely going through all these 81 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 5: tips and Ring camera and Nest camera video to try 82 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 5: to collate and figure out which is important, which is 83 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 5: not important, and kind of matching up a movement of 84 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 5: people through different cameras, just like this Nest camera that 85 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 5: cast was able to get. We had a good relationship 86 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 5: with Google over the years dealing with their location information, 87 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 5: so when we heard that the Nest camera was being used, 88 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 5: we were able to contact those partners and they were 89 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: able to pull that video. So this is fantastic that 90 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 5: we got this. There's going to be tons of people 91 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 5: going through all the videos and tips that people are 92 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 5: providing from their cameras in the neighborhood for that whole month. 93 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 5: As we've heard that the police department and FBI are 94 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 5: asking for video from a month almost a month back, 95 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 5: So it's going to be a ton of work. 96 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something like and remind me to circle back 97 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: with Dave mac on that it's something like Jan two 98 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: through FAB one or Jan one through FAB two. They 99 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: want the whole month, which tells me, Scott Iiker that 100 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 2: they believe the perp had been in the neighborhood, either 101 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: casing Guthrie's home or casing everybody's. 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: Home in daytime and nighttime. 103 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: Hours because one of the two dates specifically they are 104 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: honing in on. One is daytime hours and one is 105 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: nighttime hours. But you know, Iker, you make it sound 106 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: so simple they were able to pull up this video. 107 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: It's really not that simple, especially to a layperson like myself. 108 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: I'm just try a lawyer. I'm not on cast. 109 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: What do they have to do? 110 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: Somebody puts the directive on your desk, goes hey way 111 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: through Google in financing Guthrie's home cam, her porch cam. 112 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: She doesn't have a subscription, but good luck. 113 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: What do you actually do to pull up to resurrect 114 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: that video. 115 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: It's not easy. 116 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: It's not easy, and you've got to hand it to 117 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 5: one of the cast people that know what they're looking 118 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 5: for and proviting that to Google. Based on the camera itself, 119 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 5: it has a specific identifier that Google can track. They 120 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 5: have to give them the timeframe and then Google has 121 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 5: to do a lot of work to provide that. And 122 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: you got to remember, we're only seeing what the law 123 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: enforcement FBI and the sheriff's departments want us to see. 124 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 5: There might be more video that they're not releasing at 125 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 5: this appoint in time, but it is very difficult to 126 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 5: get that data. In this case, I think this data 127 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 5: was the video was sent to the cloud by the 128 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: Nest camera that recorded it, but you know, it just 129 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 5: did not because they didn't have a subscription, didn't come 130 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 5: to their phones or their you know, their log into 131 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 5: the next camera, so it was kind of being held 132 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: in the cloud. We just needed to make sure we 133 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: got it before it was deleted, and thank god we did. 134 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: You know, I ker, who is it? Where are they 135 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: are they in DC? Are they in Quantico? Where are 136 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: the people coming through all this data? 137 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 5: Well, it's a combination. We always send people to that 138 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 5: area where the event is occurring, because you need real 139 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: time people looking at it. 140 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 6: But because there's so. 141 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: Much to do, we can do remotely work and have 142 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: a lot of people helping and providing that to the 143 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 5: command of. 144 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Things Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 145 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: I want to move now off of the video. 146 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: Possibly an unrelated guy on a porch that somebody sent 147 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: in reportedly from Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. There he is on top, 148 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: not a suspect, not a person of interest, but whoever 149 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: sent it is well intentioned. This is some USA news 150 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: HQ on x that's where it was posted. 151 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 3: At this hour. We have a composite. 152 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: Compositive sketches are not easy. Hey, you just mentioned something 153 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: that ker had said. 154 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 7: Dave. 155 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to you on the composite, 156 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: but I want to just button this up. 157 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: Iker. 158 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: You stated that we are seeing only what l E. 159 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Law enforcement wants us to see, and I agree. Is 160 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: it possible that there was audio connected to the porch 161 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: cam number one number two? We know their cameras inside too, 162 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: inside Nancy Guthrie's home as well. 163 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: How do we know that? Because Sheriff Nanos came out 164 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: and made a point of. 165 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: Saying there were no none of the cameras inside were smashed. Okay, 166 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: we didn't know that juncture. There were definitely cameras inside, 167 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: But when he said none of the cameras inside were smashed, 168 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: then we knew there were cameras inside. Is do you 169 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: believe if Cast and Google could mind the front porch cam, 170 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: they could mind the cams inside as I call them 171 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: the granny cams. 172 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: For not only video but sound. 173 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 6: It's a possibility. 174 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: We got lucky in getting this front porch camera here, 175 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean they are not still working on 176 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 5: some trying to get that data that might have been 177 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: stuck in the cloud. I wouldn't say that it's impossible, 178 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 5: but if they haven't released something by now regarding that 179 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 5: other stuff, I think it's gone or. 180 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 6: Not able to be retarded. 181 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 3: What about audio. 182 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 6: Audio is a possibility. 183 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 5: Some cameras, nest cameras have microphones, some do not, so 184 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 5: it really just depends on the type of camera that 185 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 5: was being used at that point. 186 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 3: Let me see the composite sketch. 187 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: Really quickly plays composite sketch because it seems to me 188 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: that the purp on the front porch eyebrows are thinner 189 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: than they are in the composite sketch. Let's see the 190 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: front skit the purp again. But what about this to 191 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: ran Its Gibbons joining us he is a ract Operations 192 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: USPA Nationwide Security. He leads it to a team of 193 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: investigators around the world finding missing people, such as Nancy 194 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: Guthrie at Uspasecurity dot Com. 195 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: Brian. 196 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: When you put on the ski mask and you adjust 197 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: the eyes after you pull it on, I wonder if 198 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: it didn't pull his. 199 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: Eyebrows up a little bit, because if. 200 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: You look at it, he has no hooding whatsoever on 201 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: his eye. His eyelids, see what I mean, It's almost 202 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: like they're pulled back. And I think that's what gave 203 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: me the impression. While I know it's a man that 204 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: he had effeminate features, because his eyebrows looks so thin 205 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: and his. 206 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: What do you make of that? 207 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: Is that possible because the composite shows much heavier eyebrows. 208 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, And in that composite, right, they're taking the distance 209 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 7: of the eyes, the shape of the eyes, the distance 210 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 7: from the eyes to the mouth, and that sketch artist 211 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 7: doing the best that they can to render what they're 212 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 7: able to see. From the facial structure of this individual. 213 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 7: Now with regards to the eyebrows and what we're seeing 214 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 7: underneath that mask, you know, it's unclear. You know, that 215 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 7: could be the bottom of an eyebrow, It could be 216 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 7: being pulled up, and that could just be a shadow 217 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 7: on that thick stitched lining around the eyes. 218 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 6: So it's very unclear what we're seeing there. 219 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: Oh okay, wait, I hadn't thought of that stitching. What 220 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,119 Speaker 2: I am looking at and thinking it's thin, even tweezed 221 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: eyebrows could just be stitching or the underside of the 222 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: ski mask, underside of ski mask, because I'm looking to 223 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: see if it's on the bottom too. Not really well 224 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: right right there, actually fitz Gibbons's look on his left. 225 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 6: Our right, Yeah, you can see that. 226 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: You kind of see the same. 227 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's very very astute, especially on his left eye. Yes, 228 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: darn it, I thought I was onto something. Hey, what 229 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: about this? 230 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: Everybody jumping? 231 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: I've got Tammy Ballard, a DNA crime scene consultant formerly 232 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: with San Diego PD DNA Criminalists, Got Iker formerly of CAST, 233 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: now at p c A Experts in Brian Fitzgibbons, what 234 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: about AI? 235 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: Can they help with the composite. 236 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: They can it help with the composite thoughts Iker. 237 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: You know, I think it can. You've seen some of 238 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: the things that it's done. When you take that information 239 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 5: and put it all in different angles, different heights, different views, 240 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 5: and the light and dark parts. I think it can help. 241 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 5: But you know, the sketch artists and I think would 242 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 5: probably be better. At this point in. 243 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Time, a retired Houston forensic artist Lois Gibson, created an 244 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: unofficial sketch of the masked figure, hoping it would help 245 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: find Nancy Guthrie. And she is legendary. She came out 246 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: of retirement to create the sketch Investigators focusing on doorbell 247 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: video and from that this sketch is made. Now could 248 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: AI enhance it? Hmm, Let me understand this, Dave mac. 249 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: This is not an official sketch, no man. This is 250 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: not released by the FBI, and this is not released 251 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: by nanos. 252 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 6: No. 253 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 8: It is a retired prime sketch artist out of Houston 254 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 8: named Lois Gibson, and she did this unofficially, not asked 255 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 8: or invited, just did it out of her own background 256 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 8: and knowledge and wrote this and drew the sketch. The 257 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 8: FBI has given us the basic parameters of the height 258 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 8: of a male who is five foot nine to five 259 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 8: foot ten, average build and wearing the black twenty five 260 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 8: Leader Ozark trail Hiker packed backpack. That's what the FBI 261 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 8: released the description that we're looking at. The actual sketch 262 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 8: was done by the sketch artist Lois Gibson, retired in Houston. 263 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 8: She was not asked to do it. She did it, 264 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 8: and it was released through her and through local television 265 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 8: stations who have put it out there as an unofficial sketch. 266 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: Well, I know it was not released by law enforcement 267 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: or the FBI, but this woman created composite sketches for 268 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: over thirty nine years, five eighty nine sketches in all, 269 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: over one hundred over one thousand, two hundred sixty six 270 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: people identified, and that is a world record for identifications 271 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: based on composite sketches. Now, Iker is furiously shaking his head. No, no, no, 272 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: why Iker, Well. 273 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 5: Well, you know it's not taking any of the away 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: from miss Gibson, who might be an excellent sketch artist 275 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 5: and had success in the past. But you don't want 276 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 5: to interject stuff into this investigation that's not approved by 277 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: law enforcement. You're going to send people down the wrong 278 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 5: road if that sketches off. So we've got to just 279 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 5: make sure that it goes to law enforcement and let 280 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 5: them release it if it's relevant to the case. We 281 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 5: don't want to screw mess things up even more messier 282 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 5: than it is with all the tips and all the 283 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 5: videos that we have. 284 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: Okay, point will taken guys. 285 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: In addition to this composite sketch being put out on 286 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: social and on the media, an official official from law 287 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: enforcement description of the alleged perp has been released. 288 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: Dave mac what do we have? What are they saying? 289 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 8: Five foot nine to five foot ten average build, and 290 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 8: they did identify the backpack that he was seen with 291 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 8: wearing that black twenty five liter Ozark trail Hiker pack backpack. 292 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 8: But five foot ninety five foot ten average built, that's 293 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 8: what we're being told by the FBI. 294 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: Also at this hour, a turf war reportedly Nano says, 295 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: though that's not true, but we do know that the 296 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: gloves found and late last night we learned that a 297 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: glove and DNA has been found inside Nancy Guthrie's home 298 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: to Temmy Well. To finish that thought that the glove 299 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: in the DNA has been sent to a private lab 300 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: in Florida. Okay, let me just absorb that for a moment, 301 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: because you've got the FBI at your beck and call. 302 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: I don't believe there's a single private lab that's got 303 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: anything over on the FBI crime lab. I know that 304 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: there are crime labs, private crime lab, crime labs that 305 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: specialize in d graded DNA mixtures of DNA where you 306 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: have multiple people's DNA mixed together, old DNA minuscule or 307 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: practically no DNA. That DNA has to be regenerated and tested. 308 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Why Nanos chose to send the DNA out of a 309 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: Tucson case to a Florida lab instead of the FBI 310 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: lab at Quantico. It's actually making my head hurt, Tammy Ballard, 311 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to the bombshell that there is DNA 312 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: in the. 313 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: Hum, which I'm not surprised about, right are you? 314 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: I mean a hair a fiber hey, speaking of fibers. 315 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: Wayne Williams case, remember that, Tammy Ballard, the multiple boy 316 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: and teen victims, many of them had carpet fiber on 317 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: their bodies that matched the carpet fiber in Wayne Williams's 318 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: vehicle and his parents. As a matter of fact, a 319 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: guy I worked with very closely in the Fulton District 320 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: Attorney's office, Joseph Drola, brilliant ultimately ran our appellate division, 321 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: worked on that case and worked on getting that carpet 322 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: analysis into evidence. So there could be carpet fibers in 323 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: there from the purpose vehicle, there could be hair, there 324 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: could be fiber from that ski mask. All of that 325 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: has been taken and sent to a private lab. 326 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: Why Tammy, Why? 327 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: Well, I did read somewhere that p. Mccounty does have 328 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: a prior arrangement with this laboratory. I am going to 329 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: venture a guest that I know which private laboratory is 330 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: taking on this responsibility, and I will say they won't 331 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 4: take this on without having a rush status and having 332 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: the capabilities to do what's best by the evidence. That's 333 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 4: not saying that the FBI laboratory isn't going to prioritize 334 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: this as well, and again have the best intentions with 335 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: the evidence, but both the FBI and the Florida lab 336 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: potentially are going to have the limitations of getting that 337 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: data that they get those DNA profiles into the best 338 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 4: databases possible to search for that suspect. If they don't 339 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: have a suspect, the goal is going to be to 340 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: get them into these databases, the code of databases at 341 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: every level possible, local, state, and national, and they want 342 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: to be able to find that perpetrator. So hopefully this 343 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: private laboratory has an agreement with the state lab in 344 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: Arizona that they can get these profiles once they obtain 345 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: them from the glove, which I'm sure they're going to 346 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: get some DNA off of those gloves. Get those into 347 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 4: the databases is the big, big priority, so we can 348 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 4: see if they can identify a perpetrate. 349 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: Tammy, I heard and digested everything that you just said. However, 350 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: even if Arizona and I believe they spend over two 351 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars with this private lab, you know, leading 352 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: up to right now, even if that private lab does 353 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: have an agreement with either Arizona or Florida they're based 354 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: in Florida to use CODIS. A private lab can't just 355 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: get into CODIS. That's a national database of DNA. That 356 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: would be like me saying, oh, I've got a private 357 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: lab up in my kitchen, can I now access CODIS. 358 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: No, you can't. States can, State crime labs can access CODIS. 359 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 3: The FBI can access CODIS. What is codis. 360 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: It's a national database of DNA. It's created mostly of 361 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: purpse that have given their DNA and fingerprints when they're arrested. 362 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: DNA found at crime saynes either solved or unsolved. 363 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: And more. 364 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: But that said, I still don't hear an answer just 365 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: because they have a relationship with this private lab. That 366 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: private lab can't do anything the FBI can't do, and 367 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: the FBI is already on the case. 368 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 4: So why well, I will say that some of these 369 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 4: private laboratories have I mean they will. If it's the 370 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 4: lab that I think it has, it is it has 371 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: pretty much everything in its wheelhouse to be able to 372 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 4: work on this case. So I would say that. 373 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: What lab do you think it is, Tammy. 374 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: I'm going to venture a guess that it's DNA Labs International, 375 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 4: and they have a very good reputation. They have a 376 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: very fast turnaround time, so I would say it would 377 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: be equal to the FBI laboratory. If not, I mean 378 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 4: potentially even more in the wheelhouse. So I don't think 379 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: they would have taken this case on if they didn't 380 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: have the time, the energy dedicated to it, the analysts, 381 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: and the promise that they're going to get this out 382 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: in the best way possible, the fastest way possible. Now, 383 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: the same issue is either the FBI or the Florida Lab. 384 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: They're still going to have to have somebody in Arizona 385 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: take ownership and vet that data. So I can almost 386 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 4: guarantee these are mixtures of DNA, and you want to 387 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: get every single contributor to be able to be searched 388 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 4: in those databases. So that's the hope that everything was 389 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 4: explained and understood by the sheriff at that time, so 390 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: that everybody knows if this is all about what's best 391 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 4: by the evidence, no egos, no shutting people outright. 392 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: Wait wait wait, wait wait, I know what we all 393 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: hope and what we all think and what we all 394 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: dream is going to happen. You stated you believe there's 395 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: more than on on mixed You said, what did you 396 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: say you think there's more than one DNA? Are you 397 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: saying it's mixed DNA? 398 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: What are you saying? 399 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: Take a glove for example, You're going to have the 400 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 4: inside of the glove and the outside of the glove. 401 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 4: They best be processing those separately, because every time you 402 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: touch an item, you're going to potentially have that transfer 403 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 4: of another person's DNA. So I've done a lot of 404 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 4: gloves in my career, every kind from cloth to leather 405 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: to the latex gloves. You're almost inherently going to have 406 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 4: a mixture of DNA because you're touching other items. You're 407 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 4: touching the doorknobs, so handling other people, So there's going 408 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 4: to be They need to be able to extract that 409 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 4: DNA and decide how many contributors are going to be 410 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: there and search effectively for all of those contributors. If 411 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 4: those gloves have touched Nancy, then they are going to 412 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: have Nancy's DNA potentially on them. You need to take 413 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: her out of the equation so that you're only looking 414 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: for that perpetrator. 415 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: And that is why Tammy Ballard is so renowned. 416 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: She just explained why there is very likely a DNA 417 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: mixture on the gloves, if in fact the gloves are related. 418 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 9: Hi, there, everybody on behalf of our family. We want 419 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 9: to thank all of you for the prayers for our 420 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 9: beloved mom Fancy. We feel them and we continue to 421 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 9: believe that she feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, 422 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 9: fiercely loving woman of goodness and liked. She's funny, spunky, 423 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 9: and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd 424 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 9: around her and cover her with kistmas. 425 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 6: That's five. 426 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. 427 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 3: At this hour. 428 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: The reward for information leading to the recovery of Nancy 429 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: Guthrie has been double to one hundred thousand dollars one 430 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. 431 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: Last night we. 432 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: Learn that there is DNA that has been recovered inside 433 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie's home, and seemingly it said. 434 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: That there's another glove in there. Dave Matt, what did 435 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: we learn inside the home? 436 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 6: Nancy? 437 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 8: Multiple gloves, plural gloves were found inside the home. You know, 438 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 8: we've been talking about the glove that was found outside 439 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 8: during the search about a mile and a half from 440 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 8: Nancy's home. But last night we were finding out that 441 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 8: gloves plural were found inside the home and we're carently 442 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 8: shipped to Florida or analysis did the lab as we 443 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 8: were talking about a few minutes ago. 444 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 6: So yeah, multipied the home. 445 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: Tell me what everybody, let's put our heads together. What 446 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: type of DNA could be in the home. And I 447 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: really do not like something again that Nano said. And 448 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: I don't like spending a lot of time saying what 449 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: the cops or the sheriff did wrong in the middle 450 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: of an investigation, because it's time waster. But he did 451 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: say that there is no turf war, and this is 452 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: what concerned me. He said, these clothes may not even 453 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: be related. Okay, so what they get second class treatment 454 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: because they might not be related. Every fingerp printed a 455 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: crime scene may not be related. That threw me for 456 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: a loop that he said that Brian Fitzgibbons. 457 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 6: They may not be related. 458 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: What does that have to do with anything they may 459 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: be related. 460 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 6: That was a little bit of a head scratcher. 461 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 7: I mean, any article or piece of evidence found at 462 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 7: the crime scene may not be related, right, so everything 463 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 7: needs to be processed and treated the same. 464 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 6: So that comment was a little bit of a head scratcher. 465 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 7: Now, I think what he was probably referring to is, hey, 466 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 7: was this discarded? Were these gloves discarded by a deputy 467 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 7: on early on the scene where they dropped where they 468 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 7: dropped by a worker at the house And. 469 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 6: It's unrelated to the kidnapping. But hey, we're going to 470 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 6: find out pretty soon. 471 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: Here bombshell, a glove found inside Nancy Guthrie's home could 472 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: be a major, major discovery. So Timmy Baller was just 473 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: explaining some of the obstacles that they lab will face 474 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: when trying to separate, differentiate, and examine DNA. Hope we 475 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: hope found on the glove you stayed a Timmy Ballard, 476 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: potential DNA inside the glove and on the outside of 477 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: the glove. What other DNA or evidence fiber evidence could 478 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: be found in the home of Nancy Guthrie. 479 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 4: Yes, fiber evidence, that's different, a little tougher to come by, 480 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 4: but hopefully something is very well processed. But also fingerprint 481 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: evidence is a big one. Hopefully they did a lot 482 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 4: of fingerprint evidence potentially, I know there are gloves involved, 483 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 4: the big one I would be looking for as well 484 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 4: as the blood source that's on the front porch. Does 485 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 4: that start and begin in the household? And if so, 486 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: was Nancy able to fight back? Do we have two bleeders? 487 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 4: So you can't take any of that blood for granted, 488 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: You've got to look at blood stained patterns and see 489 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: if there's some outlier that actually could be from the perpetrator. 490 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 4: Maybe she was able to fight back. Pretty well, you 491 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: just don't know, and you can't take anything for granted. 492 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: So it's basically a process everything and collect everything that 493 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 4: could be a potential. 494 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: To Scott Iiker, joining US digital forensics expert formerly with 495 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: the FBI. What do you make of it? You were 496 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 2: also a homicide detective. What else do you believe they 497 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: found in the home? Touch, DNA, maybe fiber a hair. 498 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: All it takes is one hair. 499 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 5: One I agree hopefully they process that house very well. 500 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 5: But you got to remember when they first went there, 501 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 5: it's a missing person, and then later on it turned 502 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 5: out to be okay, this could be a kidnapping with 503 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 5: ransom and now the video. So initially the police departments 504 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: in there walking through the house, you know, looking in 505 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 5: the basement and the attic, in the every room and 506 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 5: making sure she's just not there. Again with the property 507 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: doing the same thing. So you got to remember, I 508 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 5: think when we were talking about this DNA, the FBI 509 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 5: was called in a little bit later, a day or 510 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 5: two later to try to help, or the FBI came 511 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 5: to ask if they could help. So at that time, 512 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 5: maybe the Sheriff's Department was on their own saying, hey, 513 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 5: we should probably take this glove that we found in 514 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 5: the house and send it to the lab. So I 515 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 5: don't think there's any rift between the two agencies. 516 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 9: You know. 517 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 5: I've worked the Jessica Ridgeway case back in twenty twelve 518 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 5: with Westminster PD, and we are a force multiplier. We 519 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 5: come into the situation at the permission of the local authorities, 520 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 5: even though there's cross jurisdiction, especially in a kidnapping case. 521 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 5: But in the Jessica Ridgeway case, Westminster was thankful we 522 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 5: were there. We brought in fifty different agents and analysts 523 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: to do work at their request. That turned out to 524 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 5: be a really good case. There was DNA found on 525 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 5: her backpack that was left in the neighborhood. Several days later, 526 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 5: that DNA was sent into COTIS. It was actually processed 527 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 5: by the Colorado State of Colorado Lab and it went 528 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 5: into KOTIS and they found a hit. But that hit 529 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 5: was an unknown person from a prior attack. So even 530 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 5: if we do get some DNA and it's put in Dakotis, 531 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 5: we're not sure if he's going to match anybody that's 532 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 5: known in that Jessica Ridgeway case, it was an unknown person. 533 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, there's always genetic genealogy that was used, for instance 534 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: in the Golden Gate killer case Joseph di'angelo one of 535 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: the first of its kind, familial DNA, genetic genealogy DNA. Hey, 536 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: that video we were just showing you is from twelve News, 537 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: So that's a possibility. If the purp doesn't have a record, 538 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: he may not show up in codis. But if he 539 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: has a brother, a cousin, a father, a son cut 540 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: with a record, we're going. 541 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: To get a match. 542 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: It won't be full match, but then we'll be onto 543 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: something that doesn't work. We'll go to genetic genealogy, familial DNA, 544 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: which has been approved to practically every jurisdiction. Hey, another thing, 545 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: Dave mac It seems as if vehicles are taking center 546 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: stage as well as DNA at this juncture, and that 547 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: would be specifically a gray truck. 548 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 3: What can you tell me. 549 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 8: We've been told now that the FBI and the Sheriff's 550 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 8: department are asking people in the neighborhood to share their 551 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 8: nest ring, doorbell cameras any surveillance video they have. You 552 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 8: mentioned it earlier January first to February tewod. However, there 553 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 8: are two very specific times that they are actually they 554 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 8: being law enforcement are focused in on saying they're looking 555 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 8: for January eleventh from nine pm M and they're also 556 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 8: looking for nine thirty am to eleven on January thirty 557 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 8: first in the neighborhood ring doorbell nest cameras. They're looking 558 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 8: for a specific possible great truck, but they're also noting 559 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 8: every neighbor what they've got, what they drive, what they 560 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 8: use on a daily basis. You know Nancy, the neighbor 561 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 8: who actually pointed out law enforcement that Nancy's roof looked 562 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 8: too clean, Laura Gargano. She confirmed that a request for 563 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 8: the dates in question here were sent by Ring Doorbell app. 564 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 8: In that request, police noted that a suspicious vehicle had 565 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,479 Speaker 8: been spotted in the vicinity and they want every piece 566 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 8: of video they can get from the neighborhood during those 567 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 8: specific times. 568 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: To Rivus Gibbons, what do you make of the search 569 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 2: for a great truck? 570 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've been talking about this for days now. 571 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 7: That they obviously had a vehicle to take Nancy away 572 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 7: from that site, and that as law enforcement is going 573 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 7: to go around with all these ring camera videos and 574 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 7: thousands of tips that are coming in. 575 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 6: They're going to try to identify. 576 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 7: A vehicle because the vehicle, at the end of the 577 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 7: day is going to be easier to locate, necessarily than 578 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 7: a person. 579 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 6: So you know, this great truck could be central. 580 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 7: You know, it could be one of hundreds of vehicle 581 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 7: leads that they're following down. 582 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 2: Now, the vehicle, I can't stress the importance of it. 583 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 3: They're saying gray. 584 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: But remember if Dave max correct iusa off a doorbell cam, 585 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: a door cam. It could be great. It could be white, 586 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: it could be beige. But think back on Brian Coburger. 587 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: The first thing that happened was somebody did gas station 588 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: quick Mark says, hey, this car came by around three o'clock, 589 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning. This was a clerk. They 590 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: took it upon themselves to review hours and hours and 591 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 2: hours of video and called authorities. Saw white Elantra. They 592 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: started looking for a white Elantra. It was sent to 593 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: Washington State University in Pullman. The campus security went through 594 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: the registration at Pullman. 595 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 3: Who's got a white Alantra? Brian Coburger. 596 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: That's where his name first came from and then the 597 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: white Alantra was viewed circling the home eleven visits leading 598 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 2: up to the murders or more. Then let's see the 599 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: Molly Tibbetts person, that perpetrator that murdered this. 600 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 3: Young co ed. 601 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: He was caught by distinctive markings on his black Chevy Malibu, 602 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: caught on cam. 603 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 3: So isn't it true? 604 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 2: I ker that local police, especially in a metropolis as 605 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 2: big as tucsom and I'm basically this on one. I 606 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: know of Atlanta and New York, they have entire divisions, 607 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: like there's homicide, there's sex crimes, there's missing there's car theft. 608 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 2: There is a whole division of people working CARTHFSK because 609 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: there's so many and they can look at a car 610 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: and go, oh, yeah, that's a nineteen eighty four Chevy Malibu, 611 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: black in color with blah blah blah and all of 612 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: the details. They know it like heart, just like I 613 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: know the Constitution. That's their business. You can determine the 614 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: year the make the model because every year generally there 615 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 2: are subtle changes to the body of a car. Let's 616 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: just pretend we're talking about a Toyota camera camera. They 617 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: may on slant the headlights, they may raise up the 618 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 2: rear end. They may just some subtle change every year 619 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 2: to make it different to the consumer. 620 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: But specialists in the car theft division. 621 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: Know all about those subtle changes and they can identify 622 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: make model a. 623 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 6: Year that is so true. 624 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 5: And we actually have that in the FBI too. We 625 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 5: have experts in that field at the lab. 626 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 6: But a lot of the. 627 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 5: People that works stolen cars are just you know, car experts. 628 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 5: I'm a cell phone and cellular network expert. We have 629 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 5: those people in our in our that we can reach 630 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 5: out to and they could see, oh, that that trim 631 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 5: that's on that car was from this year when Toyota, 632 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 5: for example, made that that that car. So they're they're 633 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 5: good at it and they definitely can help you out 634 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 5: in those situations. 635 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 2: Really really good Iker, And remind me, I want to 636 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 2: circle back one last time to Ker regarding the cell 637 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 2: phone data that's being amassed in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. 638 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: Fitz gibbons to make the. 639 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 2: Model the year so so important in a case like this, 640 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: and then once you get that, you go, oh, okay, 641 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 2: here is a twenty twenty four. 642 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 3: Let's just go with a Ford F one fifty. 643 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 2: It's white, it's got this feature on the back. Now 644 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: we decide make model a year and you look through registration. 645 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 2: Remember every traffic stop license registration, that vehicle is registered 646 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 2: to somebody nine guarantee. Then they get everybody in the 647 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 2: area that has that vehicle and they start canvassing. 648 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 7: That's how it goes down spot on, And I think 649 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 7: you know one one thing this was reported yesterday by 650 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 7: Matt Finn from Fox News who tracked down Arizona Department 651 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 7: of Transportation spoke with officials at the City of Tucson 652 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 7: and in Pima County about traffic cam locations and do 653 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 7: they record. So when you see this big push for 654 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 7: ring cameras, and I think that this is going to 655 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 7: start to hit the media cycle pretty quickly, az dot 656 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 7: is saying that they have cameras in the area, but 657 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 7: they do not record. City of Tucson says it has 658 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 7: traffic cameras that do not record, and p mccounty says 659 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 7: that they have some that do and some that don't. 660 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 7: So you know, we're in a scenario here where you 661 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 7: see this reward go up and law enforcement asking for 662 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 7: all of these videos for that span of time, and 663 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 7: I'm going to say that it very likely has to 664 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 7: do with trying to find a vehicle. 665 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we'll put Brian Fitzgibbons iker. We know that. 666 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 3: Palazuelos was apprehended. 667 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: That video guys was Fox ten, and that was Nancy 668 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 2: Guthrie's vehicle being towed for evidence. That vehicle is going 669 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 2: to be so important because if Nancy Guthrie was bleeding, 670 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 2: we knows she was, There's no way they can get. 671 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 3: Rid of that blood in that car. I don't care 672 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 3: how hard they try. 673 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 2: That said Palazuelli's Carlos Bellos. Willis was pulled over to 674 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: taying question release. He had nothing to do with it. 675 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 2: I believe he was identified from cell phone data that 676 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 2: his was in and out of her neighborhood at various 677 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 2: hours because he's a delivery person in that neighborhood, probably 678 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 2: to her house, and that's why they zer wote in 679 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: on him. They did not pull him over because he 680 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 2: forgot to turn on his blinker. They pulled him over 681 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: I believe because of a cell phone data. 682 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 6: I believe that's correct too. 683 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have first set of knowledge, but 684 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 5: that's the things what we do in these type situations, 685 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 5: we do tower dumps for the area around the crime scene, 686 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 5: and then we look for all the phones and vehicles. 687 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 5: You know, you've got to remember vehicles have cell phones 688 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 5: in him now to the newer ones. Then we start 689 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 5: going through all that data and figure out, okay, which 690 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 5: ones are stationary during all this time. That's probably a 691 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 5: neighbor or Nancy's phone. Now let's look at the ones 692 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 5: that are moving in and out of that area and 693 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 5: narrowed down on those. So I believe he was stopped 694 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 5: and questioned because he was in the area and he 695 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 5: is a delivery driver. I don't think he said he 696 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 5: remembered to be in that area, but you know he's 697 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 5: he's delivering all over the place. So they stopped him, 698 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 5: talked to him, questioned him. They might even done a 699 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 5: search at his residence. I know there was a search 700 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 5: around the same time, but they've cleared him. But that's 701 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 5: what they're doing. They're going through all this data trying 702 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 5: to figure out who came in and who left around 703 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 5: the time Nancy disappeared. 704 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Nancy 705 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 2: Guthrie's disappearance, please call one eight hundred two two five, 706 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 2: five three two four one eight hundred two two five, 707 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 2: five three two four, Or if you wish to remain 708 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 2: anonymous five two zero eight eight two seven four six 709 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 2: three five two zero eight eight two seven four six three, 710 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 2: there is a one hundred thousand dollars reward. 711 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 3: Good Night for him 712 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 6: GI