1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts now. Welcome back to 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the League Podcast. My name 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by room filled with heroes, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Girls and thal What up? Boys? 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: How are you? Mark Sessler back in the house after 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: his staycation as a term that he coined himself. Well, no, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: it was. It's it was a classic post economic collapse 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: stay at home holiday plus two children post two children 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: collapse or whatever you call going on in your I'm 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: just saying I feel like I did travel with children. 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Well I saw all of you at least once from 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: multiple times during the break, so I didn't really feel 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: like I was away per se. No, and you were. 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: You did have a cameo on the podcast last week, 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: but now you're back locked in, back part of the machine, 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: no escaping. You're part of the cogs of the great 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: National Football League. Welcome back, and came You came for 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: the right week because this pre July fourth week, we're 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna be breaking out two shows while most everyone is 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: doing nothing. And that's all because we don't have actually 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: any news to talk about. We have some news. It's 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: almost like being in the heat of a playoff race 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: right now the week. We got a great show today 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: coming up, we are going to get into our making 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the Leap series get excited society. We're into the top 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: ten pause for effect. That's a beat. That's a beat 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: where top ten I'm gonna I won't even tell you 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: who the names are, but just realize that it's going 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: to get real exciting to a f C players. We're 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: also going to get into a little discussion about uh 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: nineties Week this past week at the NFL Network. I 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: wrote a piece that went up last Friday, and now 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: since we're all together again, we'll talk about the nineties 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: a little bit and some memories of the era and 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: and also some some takeaways. As two different generations here, 36 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: Greg and I'm much younger with Western Mark coming at 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: from two different angles. Well, this is where our age 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: differences shows up quite a bit. Well, that's right, I 39 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: mean West and I will get into it, but you're right, 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: we have a different viewpoint of that deck. I was 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: slogging a six pack of Tall Boys home from the 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: post office every day while you guys were like going 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: to your eighth grade dance. That's awesome, but before any 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: of that, we want to check in with our producer, 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: who was also back from some type. I don't know 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: if it's a vacation or had some personal matters to 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: tend to. We don't dig in like that, but he's 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: back with us. His name is TV he's our producer. 49 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: What's up about it? It's going on, guys, I myself 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: was in a staycations like the World Cup. Yeah, you 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: guys know how to see? Just how many different ways 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: can I watch the World Cup? Massage and table check? 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: You knowable well, you know a little stacation when you 54 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: get a little bit sage, you know, bidy no, I 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: had my I had my iPhone in between little peep hole. 56 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: It's his heads down a massage. You had metrosexual t D. Well, 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: it's been it's been a couple of months. You know, 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: I've been working out a lot lately, so I just 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: needed to look at swollen. You know. Is this one 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: of those massage parlors where you have to go in 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: through the alley entrance? A little bit dark, but but 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's good to see t D and good 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: spirits because after all, his great soccer team Nigeria fell 64 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: on Monday in the World Cup. It is over. Sorry, buddy, 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: that was tough. But you know, the last time we 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: made it this far it was I was eleven. So 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: at least I can cherish this and know that it 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: might be another sixteen years where it comes along again. 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: The Fighting North Stars, right is their name? No, not 70 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: at all. It's Super Eagles, Super who put up who 71 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: put up a better fight? Who put up a better 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: fight in Nigeria today? Or the Broncos in the Super Bowl? 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Oh niger it today. Definitely there's a point in the game. 74 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: We definitely should have one man which at least scored 75 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: a couple of goals. But you know we actually did 76 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: score goal those this a lot. But let's move on, guys, 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: We'll move on. Your a good sport to be here 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: and be in good spirits. So why don't we TD 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: do some news a minute? Wow, now, I am. I 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: will now defer over to Mark Sessler. I am not 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: a Star Wars nerd. I'm assuming that's from Star Wars 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Phil Phil Send. Mark, I have never heard of that 83 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: in my life. I don't know. I expect neither any 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: of you to get it. That just sounds like that 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: is the great optimust Prime. I did that because the 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: Transformers when we came out last week, which, by the way, 87 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: the terrible movie. I would not recommend it. However, shocking 88 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Optimust Prime is one of the greatest leaders, and we 89 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: walked this earth, so shout out. I don't think Optimist 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: Prime ever walked to far. I don't think there'll be 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: a sequel to this Transformers inclusion one walked. Another. One 92 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: of my great achievements in my life is that I've 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: never seen a Transformers Michael Bay movie, and never has 94 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: it ever crossed my mind to watch one. It's not 95 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: like I never felt like I was missing out on 96 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: you know why, because you're an adult. Let's say this, 97 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: it's Bay does everything is screwed up, which he does. However, 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean you can't if you're a fan of Transformers, 99 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: you have Fantresformers and you gotta watch it or your 100 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: twelve I was a fan of Transformers when I was nine. 101 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: By the way, I was team he Man. I had 102 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: never even got into the cartoon back in the day. 103 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, so you were gonna just some news. Now, 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: let's do it all right. We start with West. I'm 105 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: not sure your feelings on Andy Dalton. We haven't talked 106 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: about it a lot on the podcast, but I want 107 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: to let you know some information right now from Hugh Jackson, 108 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals new offensive coordinator, who told Sirius x M 109 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: NFL Radio last week that the quarterback and receiver duo 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: of Andy Dalton A J. Green is the best in 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: the NFL. Here's the quote. I think they're the best 112 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: in the game my opinion. I know people fight that 113 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: and say differently, but I've watched these guys, and those 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: guys have grown. They came in together. They started off hot, 115 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: they're still hot. Every year statistically they've gotten better. Hugh Jackson, 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly a fine offensive coordinator, but we've 117 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: come to realize maybe talent evaluation isn't his thing. What 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: happened the last time he felt this strongly about a quarterback, 119 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: He mortgaged the future of the Oakland Raiders, a Bengals 120 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: team with no leverage whatsoever with Carson Palmer sitting on 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: his couch, got a first in the second round draft 122 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: pick for like the one month when Hugh Jackson was 123 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: allowed to make transactions for the race. But no one 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: thinks he believes this. Bucky Brooks was in our studio 125 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: talking about Hugh Jackson's style, how he likes to pump 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: up the guys and he likes to kind of get 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: him going. That's why he said Marvin Jones, for instance, 128 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: could knock A J. Green off its perch. Maybe Marvin 129 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: Jones and Andy Dalton will be the top quarterback wide 130 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: receiver combo. And well, and also, all we've heard is 131 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: that what they're gonna do with Dalton to make him 132 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: less of a disaster in certain sequences is reduced past attempts. 133 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: If you have the best quarterback wide receiver tandem, why 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: would you do that. It's a little quirk of mine, 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: I guess it. I don't really like when people say 136 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: things they don't believe. I guess that makes me a 137 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: little weird. I don't know. I'm just saying he's trying 138 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: to fire up Andy Dalton. If he really believe this, 139 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: that would be a problem. He could name tank combinations 140 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: better than especially if you laup tight ends into the mix, 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: he might That might not even be the best combination 142 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: on the Bengals. Oh, how about the Mohammed san new 143 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: A J. Green combination? When I thought you were going candle, Yeah, 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: I thought you. I thought you were about to go 145 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: crazy with the making the leap and throw out a 146 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: j Green for Marvin Jones. There's many combos you could 147 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: throw it. Um hey, let's talk about the Cleveland Browns 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: quarterback situation. But it will have nothing to do with 149 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel. Well it will, but on um level, it's 150 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: about someone else that's Brian Hoyer. NFL media insider Ian 151 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: rapp Report reported Monday that the Browns of stage preliminary 152 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: talks with Brian Hoyer's camp about a contract extension. Rapp 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: Report spoke with Joe Lnta Howyer's agent, who confirmed that 154 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: while discussions have taken place, it will quote be a 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: very difficult deal to do. We're always open to talking 156 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: with the Browns, but we're content to wait and see 157 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: what happens down the road. Gentleman, if I'm Brian Hoyer's agent, 158 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: I take any multi year contract they're offering if it's 159 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: good backup money. Yeah. I mean, people talked about Linda 160 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: being Flacco's bet on myself agent, but this isn't Joe Flacco, 161 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: who's coming off multiple playoffs. Browns fans will tell you otherwise, though, 162 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't I think that's I think that a lot 163 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: of Browns fans are seeing Hoyer through rose colored glasses, 164 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: because any guy that won two games in a row 165 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: for that team is going to be viewed differently than 166 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: with a disaster they've emerged from. But I agree with 167 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: greg if or Whyer, you can get a multi year 168 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: deal right now. A year ago, he never saw that coming. 169 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: Do people really think that this report means that Manzel 170 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: might not be the quarterback of the future. No, I 171 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: don't even think anyone would be saying that. I would 172 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: assume if he did sign a long term contract, it'll 173 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: be for solid backup money, maybe three or four million 174 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: dollars a year, with some with some sort of incentives 175 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: where if he happened that if you do start twelve games, 176 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: then you can get a whole boatload of money, or 177 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: they revisit or I mean, they just handed Henny eight 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: million over two years and they gave Castle, what ten 179 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: over two years? Those our bridge quarterback numbers, I think 180 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: they see started four games in his entire career. Well, 181 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: is any of the definition of a bridge quarterback? At 182 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: least right he's the definition of a guy who bounced 183 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: around the league, and it's lucky to be on a roster. 184 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: That's why he should take that money. H I should 185 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 1: be an agent. The last thing. I'm sure that's his 186 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: complex against. Next time you see Mike tannebaumb ask him 187 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: for some pointer. We both went to two lanes to 188 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: how you pronounced I don't know, Mike tandembaum Ulan, do it, buddy. Hey, 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Randy Boss news not really news, but let's talk about 190 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Randy Moss because it's fun to talk about Randy Boss. 191 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: The Charlotte Observer reports that the former wide receiver is 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: now the associate head coach at Victory Christian Center School, 193 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: a small private school in Charlotte that his son Thaddeus 194 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: now attends. Uh Moss the famous, the famous wide receiver, 195 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: not always known as maybe the the greatest role model 196 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: or teammate, but now he's going to be teaching, teaching 197 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: young children. I love street cash on me. That is 198 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: like the condensed version of Don Olmyer's great advice to 199 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: a young Tony Kornheiser. The answer to all of your 200 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: questions in sports is money plus. If you watch the 201 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: video is just as good as a quote. I mean, 202 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: the guy coming up to him in the parking lot, 203 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Randy Moss. Think how great would 204 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: be the high school? This is a small private school. 205 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Iagine you're the fifth receiver on that team. Like, he's 206 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: probably not much of an athlete, and he's getting coached 207 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: by Randy Moss. Little nugget buried in this story. Randy 208 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Moss is fifteen year old son Thantius six four. Hello, Yeah, 209 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a sophomore or a junior. 210 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: He's better at basketball forty that's that's Charley, that's Ladarius Green. Uh. 211 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm just curious not to get to sidetrack. But at 212 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: the peak of his powers, was Randy Moss better than 213 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: any wide receiver in the last twenty years? Yes, I 214 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: I would say yes. Also, I think the only other 215 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: option is Calvin Johnson, unless you are a huge t 216 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: O fan, No, I would say Moss. That is, I'd 217 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: take Boss at his peak. But Calvin Johnson, felt network 218 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: re air that Falcons Vikings n SC championship game from 219 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: over the weekend, Moss is just used all over the place. 220 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: He was their only answer and they went out him 221 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: over and over. I mean, when Johnson has a year 222 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Moss did in two thousand seven, then we'll talk. This 223 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: was actually past Moss's pride, but by far the most 224 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: disrespectful football play I've ever seen was most against rivers. 225 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: When he hit the hand got him, they end up 226 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: and he never touched both the second hand when he 227 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: caught it, he caught it in one hand, never touched 228 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: it with a second. He was a freak. I mean, 229 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: he was an amazing player. All right, let's talk some 230 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, the Chicago Bears quarterback, obviously made some strides 231 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: last season under Mark Tressman uh Cutch. His season was 232 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: compromised by an injury, but the Bears are looking for 233 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: even more from the quarterback this season. Of course, he 234 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: has a new extension. Bears quarterback coach Matt Kavanoff said 235 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Cutler continued his upward personal trajectory during the team's off 236 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: season program. I've seen incredible progress. When he got in 237 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: here last year and we evaluated him, we had a good, 238 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: real good conversation with him about certain things that every 239 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: quarterback should do. We said, Jay, it might not be natural, 240 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: but we want you to try it, and he did it. 241 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Going on every little fundamental we've talked to him about. 242 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: He's embraced and it's like night and day. I feel 243 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: like this is kind of the same thing we talked 244 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: about every summer. Is this the year that Jay Cutler 245 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: becomes the guy that is been getting paid to be 246 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: for ten years? Kevanaugh has uh the same tendency as 247 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson the blow blow sunshine. This is a better quote. 248 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: This is last offseason, called Jake Cutler borderline football brilliant 249 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: and then watched him be outplayed by his backup. That's 250 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: so unfair. Come what do you mean, because you're yourself 251 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: we're calling him an MVP candidate in October, you were 252 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: saying he was playing as well as he's ever played. Right, 253 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: That does not equite the MV peaking it. That means 254 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Jay Cutler has always been a disappointment at Tease. If 255 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: there is one team right now, though, in terms of 256 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: a coaching staff along with the forty niners, I would 257 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: trust the Bears improving some of the stuff we've seen 258 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: from Cutler. But you're right, we've never seen it for 259 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: a full season from him. He's set up to have 260 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: an awesome season, totally set up. We believe in everything 261 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: about that situation. I don't personally believe that Jay Cutler 262 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: is not a teacher. I looked at these quotes and 263 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I started thinking about a rant I made on this 264 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: podcast about a month ago, how it's kind of setting 265 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: up for Carson Palmer's big last chance, if he's ever 266 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: going to do it. And I don't think this is 267 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: Jake Cutler's big last chance, but I do think if 268 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: Jake Cutler is ever going to have an m v 269 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: P type of season, now is the time. I mean, 270 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Marshall and Jeffrey are in their primes, Cutler is thirty one, 271 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: The offensive line has been together. If there's ever a 272 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: time for a breakout, here, this is it. Here we go. 273 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Are you ready? And I'm going to file this away 274 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: for personal reasons, for I would not do what you're about, 275 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: pot reasons. I'm gonna throw it around the room. Mark, 276 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Please don't talk over me when I'm in thought. Over 277 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: under game, Jay Cutler, Can we just say, over under, 278 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: what you predicted for Brandon Weeden last year? Uh? No, 279 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm the only one that's ever gotten a 280 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: wrong prediction in this group. All right, over Under. I'll 281 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: start with the smartest guy in the room, Chris Westling 282 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: four thousand yards over I'm not convinced he play sixteen 283 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: games because he never played sixteen games. But if we're 284 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: saying sixteen games, he'll go definitely go over four thousand yards. Yeah, over, 285 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: but we have to assume sixteens over. I'll go over. 286 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: You can predict so he's gonna stay healthy. You can 287 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: get assessler and predict an injury touchdowns over over under 288 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: passer rating of ninety three under, I'd go under. I 289 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: don't really pay attention to quarterback ratings, and but the 290 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: question was asked the rating, whether or not you pay 291 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: attention to us, I don't know what or not under 292 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll go under that too many interceptions. Sounds like he's 293 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty good year, though based on the 294 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: over under games, there's no excuse for him to have 295 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: a good year. West knows that Cutler, I would say, 296 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: more than any quarterback in the NFL, has been my 297 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: favorite to watch since about the moment he's I've been 298 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: waiting for this year. Alright, the answers and it's I'm 299 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: Cutler apologist whatever. Before we move on, Mark, I wanted 300 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it, because I know you 301 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: had some really strong thoughts about the view a few 302 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: weeks back, a big time mass firing. Everyone on the 303 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: show fired in terms of the on camera talent, except 304 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: for your girl, Whoopi Goldberg. That means Jenny McCarthy, who 305 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: we spoke about on the show is history. Sherry Shepherd gone, 306 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? It's even talk of a 307 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: man being in the mix as a replacement. Mark Sessler, Well, 308 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're into quality television, this was a 309 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: no brainer, right if you're if you're whether you're a 310 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: male or female who watches the show, and you're a 311 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: thinking person, this was an easy choice. They've done the 312 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: right thing. Obviously, let's let's not undersell our own show. 313 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: Our voice was listened to. At least it must have 314 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: been part of some conversational. Like the view which has 315 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: rotated cast here and there, has never dug this deep. 316 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: They heard the level of I guess disinterested in the 317 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: appalling cast they put together. They say, we are starting over. 318 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: I'm fine with keeping Goldberg, but they've done everything else correctly. 319 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: And you you especially think that, uh, Jenny McCarthy was 320 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: kind of a post human and not someone that deserves 321 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: to be on that showing false information about vaccines and such. Yes, 322 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: well that if that's happening, and I'm not watching every episode, 323 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: but if she is giving us false information about medical items, 324 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: then she's probably not to be you know. One, I 325 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: like the faith that Mark has and all the views 326 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: producers like. If they replaced the cast with just some better, 327 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: better talent, I'm sure they'll put it together and it'll 328 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: be a great hour of program. On one of the 329 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: head producers is actually in the midst of trying to 330 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: renegotiate his contract from what I'm read, so no one's safe. 331 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: They're rethinking the whole show. And one name that's being 332 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: bandied about it. As I said, there's potential mail and 333 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: volved here, Jesse Palmer. Jesse, get your get your life together. 334 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: Come on, buddy, do you really want to be the 335 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Mail on the View? You do not? But but he's 336 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: already crossed that threshold, right. Yeah. I was gonna say, 337 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: if you were trying to guess who the Mail on 338 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: the View would be, wouldn't Jesse Palmer make your top five? 339 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: I think he'd be the favorite. Where's Tiki Barber? Is? 340 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: My question? Probably not far behind? All right, let's talk 341 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: about good, good insight. Mark that was exactly when I 342 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: first read it last week, I said, I gotta get 343 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: this to Mark. I gotta hear what he has to say. 344 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: And I feel enlightened that Making the Leap series continues. Uh. 345 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler back in the mix, and he's all over 346 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: the place right now. He has the number ten entry. 347 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Brown's linebacker Jabal shared Mark, you see big things from Jabal. 348 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: You thought he came along nicely during last season. I 349 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: loved your post, and now I want you to tell 350 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: the people about it. I think this is the first 351 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: Making the Leap that I've worked on in two seasons 352 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: where the response I got from most people online was 353 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: who They never heard of? This guy? But he is 354 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: sort of a He played in Cleveland for some defenses 355 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: that I think as a whole isn't is an improving group. 356 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: But I like his smarts because he started as a 357 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: four three defensive end and the second year and they 358 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: come in and they change everything up and they make 359 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: him a three four and now he's going back to 360 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: play sort of a hybrid and outside linebacker. I can't 361 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: stress so hard it is if you're a young defensive 362 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: player to have your third defensive coordinator in your young 363 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: career and in each situation he's produced. Uh, he's put 364 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: up pass rushing numbers. I think what I love to 365 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: see him is used. He's faster than I thought he 366 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: was on tape. That's what stood out to me. And 367 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: it's not me that thinks he's going to make that 368 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: lead necessarily. It's Petton who mentioned that they could say 369 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: one guy on your defense that fits the mold to 370 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: kind of be your breakout guy. He did not hesitate 371 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: to say. Jibbal Shared is that guy that's his bitch Kitty. 372 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: That's and we read that book and he talked about 373 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: your bitch kitty is a pass rusher who you just 374 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: on leading? Do you want the definition? Read it out there. 375 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: This comes from Nicholas Doudof's clearsion low crossers. This guy 376 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: he needs to be paid. Patton coined the frame. I 377 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: believe bitch Kitty is a pass ructor with an insatiable, 378 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: unblockable pocket infiltrating force of war. Daddy Bedlam. Wow that guy. 379 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: You know, initially we were going to do the post 380 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: with Shared and Barchibius Mingo, and I am just more 381 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: sold on Shared at this point because of his versatility 382 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: that no matter what he's been through in Cleveland, he 383 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: continues to produce. I like Mingo from other angles, but 384 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: shared is a more solid candidate. What's the biggest obstacle 385 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: you think that he's facing. I think for him, it's 386 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: just another scheme switch. You know, it's worked so far, 387 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: but maybe this is the one where he can't quite 388 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: find his spot. But but it seems to me that 389 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: there's no real physical obstacle for him. Uh, he's not 390 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: the fastest guy in the field, but watching his tape, 391 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: he finds a way inside and out to get to 392 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback. He never gets the hype. I mean, they 393 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: bring in Paul Krueger, pay him a lot of money. 394 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: They draft Mingo in the first round. I'm trying to 395 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: think of who he was with early in his career. 396 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: He's never been the guy, and yet he's always been 397 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: the guy who's been the most productive anybody in the 398 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: front seven. Though. I think he fits the Mike Petton 399 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: kind of player the most. He's got a relentless motor. 400 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: He's on He's on the NFL's resputing list with Wayne Sponson, 401 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan. You can't get rid of him. He's been 402 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: mentioned in Cleveland as a guy they should trade because 403 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: they signed Krueger drafted Mingo and he ends up being 404 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: better than both of those. Well, they were, they were 405 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: definitely considering trading him a summer ago because oh, he 406 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: doesn't fit in a three four, he fit in the 407 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: four three, And you're right, he continues, just to prove 408 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: I'll find a role, I'll flourish somehow. Moving on, let's 409 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: go to number nine. Greg Rosenthal wrote about the player 410 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: that's come up. I feel like a little bit in 411 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks on this podcast. Chargers tight 412 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: end Ladarius Green, who obviously as Antonio Gates still in town, 413 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: but it might be a situation where he could end 414 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: up becoming the man at that position for the San 415 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Diego Chargers and Greg Rosenthal, and he speaks for all 416 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of us, believes it happens. I don't know where to start. 417 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: I have so much to say on Ladarius Green. What 418 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: a weird mix of talent this guy has. He was 419 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: asked to block sixty of the time he was on 420 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: the field, so he's barely allowed to go out on 421 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: a pass or up, but when he did, he went deep. 422 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: Only Rob Gronkowski average more yards per route run out 423 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: of tight ends in the league. Out of receivers that 424 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: caught at least fifteen past Green led the league in 425 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: yards per reception. So he is a vertical threat. A 426 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: guy who's six six to forty and he moves like 427 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, but he can block well. He just 428 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: seems like a player that almost didn't exist a generation ago. 429 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: A guy bill like this that's tough enough to block 430 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: and you can move like that. I mean, he's built 431 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: more like Calvin Johnson than he is Antonio Gates. I 432 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: guess that would be my question about him as far 433 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: as breakouts go. I noticed while watch him last year 434 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: that basically they only used him on deep routes. So 435 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: if he's gonna break out, is he gonna be taking 436 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: more shallow routes from Antonio Gates. He's gonna need more 437 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: routes to run that. That's true, and he hasn't gotten 438 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: on the field, and there's probably a reason for that. 439 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: When Bucky Brooks was in here, that helped support the 440 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: case for me because he talked about Frank Reich installing 441 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: an up tempo offense. I think that works best when 442 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: you have two tight ends on the field and then 443 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: you have a big matchup problem because you don't know 444 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: if they're gonna stay into block. You don't know who 445 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: can cover him one on one, And you would think 446 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: just being on the field more, he'll get more chances. 447 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: One obstacle that I can see happening. And and Greg, 448 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm wondering you feel the same way. While it seems 449 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: like Gates is on the way down, and and we 450 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: talked on the last podcast, is numbers dipped significantly in 451 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: the second half last season. But as a school, Green 452 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: ends up getting hurt by the respect that Gates has 453 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: garnered within that organization over the last seven or eight years, 454 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: and they're a little stubborn to kind of hand the 455 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: torch over. Well. I think that's why he didn't get 456 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: enough playing time last year. But I think from everything 457 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: the coaches are saying and the direction of the offense, 458 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: they understand that he was under utilized last year. He 459 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: had fewer snaps last year than guys like Lee Smith. 460 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: Do you guys even know what team Lee Smith is on? 461 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Not the old baseball closer under ready closer he played 462 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: for the Bills at one point, Craig Stevens. I mean, 463 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: he was barely on the field, but he has a 464 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: big play. You might remember a six d R touchdown 465 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: against the Kansas City Chiefs where he ran through their secondary, 466 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: outran Brandon Flowers, outran Sean Smith before that play. Got 467 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: it back at the show. Before that play, he was 468 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: only on the field thirty percent of time. After that game, 469 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: he was on sixty of the time the last five games. 470 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: So it's almost like Wizzen Hunt is sitting there on 471 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: the sidelines watching and be like, oh yeah, maybe right, yeah, 472 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Like was Mike McCoy who said at the owners meeting, 473 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: he acknowledged he was kind of slow on the draw 474 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: to realize what he could do, and he's gonna play 475 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: him more now. Well, he's a unique player because he 476 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: has wide receiver skills. He's jumping up, he's tapping his 477 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: feet on the sidelines. He didn't get a lot of 478 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: separation necessarily, but he has the right quarterback who's just 479 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: willing to throw him the ball. Half his catches were 480 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: in very tough spots that he made tough grabs over undertime, 481 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: fifty five receptions west under, I might go under for that, 482 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over just to be different. Eight hundred 483 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: yards receiving, I'll definitely go over with that. I'm going 484 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: big plays. Come on, he's got to make the leap, right, Yeah, 485 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: if he's not doing any of these things and he's 486 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: not making the jump, or tell us so over touchdowns 487 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: six over love him in the red zone. Check out 488 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: that highlight in the in the article where he has 489 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals cornerback one on one in the playoff game. 490 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Just jumps for it. I'm just gonna continue to side 491 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: with my boss here and I like them both. Get excited, Ladarius, 492 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: how is the only number nine? Well, it doesn't sound 493 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: like West thinks he's gonna make the least. You guys see, 494 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: I've done some research on tight end. You guys think 495 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: that like some yards, it is common. Eight hundred yards 496 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: will put you in the top five probably among tight ends. 497 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Last year, I love him and I said in the 498 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: post eight d fifty yards and seven touchdowns. I'm not 499 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: saying that's impossible. I'm saying it's unlikely. I am going 500 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: eight hundred and one yards. Alright, everyone, alright? As uh 501 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier this past week on NFL Network 502 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: was nineties Week. I wrote a piece on the Around 503 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: the League website which you could find at NFL dot 504 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: com slash a t L that's how that's how you 505 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: do it. Part of the future now no more backslash, 506 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: so you can check that out. It is now best 507 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: of the Odds week, which you know, that's what's going 508 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: on now. But we're gonna stick with the nineties since 509 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: we're all back together and talk about one of the 510 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: more interesting, uh endearingly goofy type times for the NFL. 511 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Chris Westling is a man of history. Your thoughts on 512 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: the decade, I like endearingly goofy. Let's let's set this up. 513 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: In the late sixties and seventies, the NFL overtakes baseball 514 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: as America's best sport, most love sport, but kind of 515 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: took a step back in the eighties with a lot 516 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: of upheaval. You had USFL and Al Davis lawsuits. Teams 517 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: were being uprooting and moved, uh lockout work stoppage, multiple 518 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: work stoppages, and it took a step back. There was 519 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: some concern that the NFL might no longer be the giant, 520 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: and then the nineties it just becomes a juggernaut. With 521 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: thirty two teams, you've got that kind of balance, um 522 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: and then really the most important thing fantasy football starts 523 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: in the nineties, and that really take the momentum across 524 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: the country and now across the world. So I think 525 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: the nineties, you could argue, are the most important decade 526 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: for the NFL. And I don't want to give it 527 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: too much credit to the to the Cowboys, because I 528 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that don't love the Cowboys, 529 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: but I think it helped them also that there's a 530 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: Cowboys dynasty at the beginning of the decade which a 531 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: lot of people could get behind. UM. So I was thinking, 532 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: maybe we could go around the room and share a 533 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: nineties thought before we get out of here today. I'll 534 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: start with mine. I have it in the piece I wrote. UM, 535 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things back before direct TV and 536 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: the Internet and NFL Network, ESPN's NFL Prime Time was 537 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: like the real show, the only show to go on 538 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: Sunday nights, and I think it's seven to watch highlights 539 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: and all that. The thing that sticks with me so 540 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: much is the music that accompanied those highlights. It was 541 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: really the best part. So we're gonna have DJ t 542 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: D behind the glass right now, and not behind the glass, Uh, 543 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: maybe a top five. I did a power rankings in 544 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: my post of my five favorite prime time songs, and 545 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: I did go through all ten of them. These are 546 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: my five favorites. So here is the first one by 547 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: T d um I called this one black Beard's Delight, 548 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Spring back any memories, Guys like, keep it going, I 549 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: want the synthom coming? Yeah, right there? All right, here's 550 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: number four counting down. This is uh. I call this 551 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: one phil Collins's lament. Can't you picture like Philip Collins? 552 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: I feel like this is number one? Right, like an 553 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: intro to a Miami Vice episode. This Yeah, this is 554 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: basically like did you say should be number one? But 555 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: it's like saying, what's the top five Beatles songs? Because 556 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: they're all so good? Alright? Number three I called this one. 557 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: What do I call this one? Oh? Great? And Elway's 558 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: driving This one made me nervous all the time. That's 559 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: why I always drive. Now, can you just pick? Yeah? 560 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: He's like and then Burman is Burman at his apex 561 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: is like that air comes John, Oh, they're going to 562 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: something coming down the field. Very depressing. This one I 563 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: call the Nobleman's call that horn that's a call out 564 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: to all the noble, but this is the greatest hits. Listen? 565 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: Is it makes me nervous? Hit movements are making me nervous? Right? 566 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: Is that a pelvic thrust? Listen? It's a minor public thrust? 567 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: All right? Wouldn't it be funny to play football to 568 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: that music? And now number one? My choice for number one? 569 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Greg obviously disagrees, but he hasn't heard it yet. This 570 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: one I call Urgency Express. Oh just picture it, Mark, 571 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: You're thirty years old. Primally your life paying a pretty picture. 572 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't know with these pelvic thrust and then the 573 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: Urgency Express name here kind of that? Do you think 574 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Urgency Express cannot be Phil Collins Lament. I love Phil 575 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: Collins Lament number four, Sign me up. That's my pick, 576 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: all right? So that yeah, that that's like when I 577 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: think of nineties football, I think of that music. So 578 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: that's my memory. I used to miss, like hanging out 579 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: with my grandparents in order to watch NFL Prime thing. 580 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: I think they started to not like me anymore because 581 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: I would run upstairs and um okay, So now, gentle, 582 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: when I want you all to put on your zoo baz, 583 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I want you to pull over your starter jacket take 584 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: out whatever is in that pouch and we'll go around 585 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: the table. Then share me some nineties moments. We'll start 586 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: with the Sizzler Marks Sessler. I think for me, what 587 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: I remember about being you know, the nineties began. I 588 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: was very early in high school. You guys were Greg 589 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: and Dan built about seven or eight years old. But 590 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: West and I are the same age and and Techmos 591 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: super Bowl hit like a bomb right when I was 592 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: at that point in high school where I had no car, 593 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: no way to get anywhere. Every girl I liked was 594 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: dating someone from an upper grade because she was mobile 595 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: and can move around. I'm like, I had got nothing 596 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: but Techmos, Like there's nothing else in my life. And 597 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: my brother Eric Cesler and I would sit and play 598 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: tech Moo from Friday night through Sunday morning until the 599 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: games came on, and we created these massive poster boards, 600 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: giant double elimination tournaments where thirty two teams would be 601 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: fed into like a second grid. It would go on 602 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: for months, and it brought me great joy because we'd 603 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: write about each game, and we would talk about it 604 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: all day long, and my parents thought we were crazy. 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: They might have been right, but Techmo had a huge impact. 606 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: It speaks to the popularity of tech Mo that on 607 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: the old at L debate Club we once had on 608 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: do you remember the Gentleman's name? You do? But NFL 609 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: Films had a great document to read. They released I 610 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: guess about two years ago now about grown men of 611 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: the modern era that are still playing tech Mobile and 612 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: they traveled for tournaments to play against each other, and 613 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: we had a we had a guy on the show 614 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: named merv More, more, more, and more. It was a 615 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: delight and so yeah, Super Techno super Bowl was special. 616 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: I remember a tournament in a friends basement right around 617 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: the early nineties where we took turns. I had a partner, 618 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: so you would be offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator and 619 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: a tech of a super technical any girlfriends in the 620 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: mix of that time Yesterday was definitely I'm still it's 621 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: not like it's the thing that I done. Thing Like 622 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: people listening to this that didn't grow up during that 623 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't understand it. It's not like there were other options. 624 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: There weren't some people that played that game, or there 625 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: weren't friends that you knew that didn't play Techno super Bowl. 626 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: I was like, well, it was everyone and it was 627 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: one of the few games that had thirty two NFL teams. 628 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: With NFL, there were definitely people we knew who did 629 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: not play super technical, but they were not friends right 630 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: and there, and there was no competition like John Elway's 631 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: quarterback was another n S game at the time was garbage, 632 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: bad job by you, Johnny Elway, I remember it. But 633 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl was the King that kept stats. It was 634 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: the first game where you could keep stats. And as 635 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: a as a Jeff fan, it was a bummer because 636 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: there it was a bad team. I think O'Brien was 637 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: still there and Rob Moore was the number one receiver. 638 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: So I always played with the Niners because to have 639 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: some more fun. But Super Bowl, Greg Uh, I'm gonna 640 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: go to something that changed my life and change the 641 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: lives of so many fans that now we take it 642 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: for granted. NFL Sunday ticket when you could first get 643 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: the ability, and for me, this was early in college 644 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: to hook up a little direct TV and you're not 645 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: at home and you can still watch your hometown team. 646 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it blew my mind to even go to 647 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: a bar and watch the hatred to it. But once 648 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: you could dial that into your apartment. I mean, it 649 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: was a game changer for fans. I think it's been, 650 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons that the sports exploded 651 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: so much. I agree. You think about what it was 652 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: like before that. If you were somebody that had a 653 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: move for business, or you know, weren't in your favorite team, 654 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: was not in the city that had the two or 655 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: three games that NBC or or CBS aired or Fox, 656 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: you were done. It was it and you can only 657 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: watch the highlights or somehow maybe you had a buddy 658 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: send you a tape of the game. But this that 659 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: opened the door forever. That's not just your team. It's like, okay, 660 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: your team played early. You weren't stuck with just the 661 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: national games. If you didn't want it, you could be 662 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: flipping around and anyone that had the Sunday ticket if 663 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: if you guys had it in college or whoever, everyone 664 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: was going over to that guy's house. I had to 665 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: convince my dad and I lived in the Tri State 666 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: are to take a fifty minute trip down to Bobby 667 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: v Bobby Valentine Sports Bar. It was in Norwalk because 668 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: it was the only place that got Browns games. And 669 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: you're right, direct TV Sunday ticket blew the whole thing up. 670 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: You could sit in your own house, Chris Wesley, let 671 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: me take you back to about years old, trudging through 672 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: the snow and the Covington, Kentucky projects, delivering mail, listening 673 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: on your tape deck to Atlantis Morrisset's first album, Probably Not. 674 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: And the Bengals are in the midst of one of 675 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: their four, three and thirteen seasons of the decade. Things 676 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: are bleak. They've got David Klingler Achille Smith, one of 677 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: these hapless Dave Schula is their coach. I fall out 678 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: with the Bengals, realize there's no use following them. But 679 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: fantasy football shows up, and I remember first playing about 680 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: and then by I'm working at a law firm and 681 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: they hired me in over a buddy of mine who 682 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: was the commissioner of my league. He would go down 683 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: to the basement of this big sky rise and tabulate 684 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: all of our fantasy football scores using USA today. He'd 685 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: get done with that and he'd mail them out. This 686 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: is not email, this is real mail. So by Thursday 687 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: you get your stab at the standings and you find 688 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: out how you're doing. But those were the old days, 689 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: not until like nine, the internet start getting because I 690 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: even I remember, like nineties seven, the same thing. We 691 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: we paid for a service to mail to some guy 692 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: that clearly probably lived in his grandmother's basement, and his 693 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: job was to tabulated our stats and then mail it 694 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: back to us, and that's how we found out who 695 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: won at the end of the week. Changed everything. And 696 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm just curious West because we've we've talked it on 697 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: the show. You even brought it in. When did you 698 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: decide in the nineties to begin your Bengals dosier? I 699 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: think it ends up being around and what is it again? 700 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: For people that don't know. I had to compile a 701 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: file folder filled with there are probably two or three 702 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: hundred articles backing up my my point of why I 703 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: broke up with the Bengals, the heartbreak. It's hard to 704 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: describe to catch twenty two situations where you were disloyal, 705 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: if you if you stopped rooting for your team, but 706 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: you were an idiot if you kept if you kept supporting, 707 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: what was going on there? To what year did you 708 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: wake up with it? I think it was because nineties 709 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 1: seven was the was the boomer of science and comes 710 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: in and Corey Dillon explodes his rookie year. So the 711 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: second half Boomer is like the best quarterback in the NFL, 712 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: and then he decides to go into Monday night football 713 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: the next year, and the next year is an absolute debacle. 714 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: I think Neilo dial on his quarterback. They start like 715 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: O and eight. Lee Johnson says everything wrong with the franchise, 716 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: and then the next day they cut Lee Johnson, who 717 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: was their punter. I was like, all right, they cut him, 718 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: they cut meat. Are you certain that your fall out 719 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: with the Bengals wasn't the absence of playing the Browns 720 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: two years in a row, two years per year where 721 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: they moved to Baltimore, And it was not. It did 722 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: not involve that. I'm sorry, the Browns were not on 723 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: my radar. As you'll notice, Greg, the the older gentleman 724 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: in the podcast are becoming cynical, and the conversation goes 725 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: out as we don't we don't all have the New 726 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: England's Patriots dynasty, and they were in a dynasty in 727 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: the nineties. We had Rod Rust and Dick McPherson likely 728 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: to win four or five games. Before we move on 729 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: to i'd you want to say everyone go read this 730 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: article by Dan the Man Hands he did the damn 731 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: thing on this thing. It's great. The zoo Baz, the posters. 732 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: Just just go check it out on the website NFL 733 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: dot com, back slash until it again, NFL dot com, 734 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: Slash a t L. You can find that story and 735 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: all the stories that we write. All right, gentlemen, that's it. 736 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: Nice trip down memory lane there, and that's it for 737 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: Monday's edition to the Round the League podcast. We'll we'll 738 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday with another action packed show. Cessler 739 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: is going to be here. The whole group will be 740 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: heroes everywhere, so make sure you tune in for that. 741 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: This is Dan Handons signing off for The Sizzler, the Boss, 742 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: the Mailman and the Great TV until Wednesday