1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds 7 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Podcast Shane Baker alongside Marty Jerts and Marty. We got 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: a great guest, Daniel Berger, joining us. Daniel, it's awesome 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: obviously to have you kind of a part of the 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Ping family. If we could just maybe talk about the 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: decision to team up with Ping and how excited you 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: are for the year. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm not really a club tinker, you know. 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: I use the same set of irons for about ten years, 15 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 3: and about two years ago I did some testing and 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: had a bunch of different companies lined up and landed 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: on the Ping irons, and from there I kind of 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: went to the Ping driver and I drove it unbelievable 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: and was hitting it unbelievable, and I thought, all right, 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: we got something going here. And then this year, you know, 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: kind of formalized it all and so excited to be 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: on board. 23 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: First week with irons about a year ago with the blueprints, 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: right your T two T two finish at the WM. Yeah, 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: tell us about that experience, Well, it was. 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: It was kind of eye opening being able to stop 27 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: a five iron onto a green for about five years there, 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: I hit the ball about this hot and that was 29 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: really the big, biggest reason I ended up changing irons. 30 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: We did a ton of testing and I think the 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: new well at the time they were the new blueprints, 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 3: they were about twenty five thirty percent higher launch. So 33 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: I mean it was a pretty pretty easy change, no brainer, 34 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: and it paid off obviously here Shane. 35 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: I think that's one thing we see, like, you know, 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: your average listener out there going and getting fit for 37 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: irons in the Bay and you know, low spin irons 38 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: go further on the simulators and all that. But here 39 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: we are, I mean we hear it, hearing it from 40 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Daniel directly, just how important that stopping power is. Yeah. 41 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: I was gonna say. The other thing too, is when 42 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: you play in these big events, the majors, the you know, Bayhill, 43 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: the players, it kind of caters to a certain game 44 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: style where you know, the greens are firmer, the greens 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: are faster, and if you're unable to off the ball 46 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: with a long iron, you're in trouble. And that's kind 47 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: of what you see these best players in the world doing. 48 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: They're they're able to control those long irons and stop 49 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: a ball on a par five with your second job 50 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: with a fore iron or a three iron, and I 51 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: wasn't able to do that, and then I switched those 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: pings and it made a huge difference for me. 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: Daniel. When you when you say don't tinker, I mean 54 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: it's so easy to tinker as a pro. I mean 55 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: there's certain clubs. I think that pros don't like to change, 56 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: fairy woods, hybrids, things like that. When you weren't changing 57 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: clubs for so long, would you at times mess around 58 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: with other stuff or were you just like, this is 59 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: what my bag's gonna look like. These are the irons 60 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: I play, and this is basically what I'm gonna have. 61 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 3: I think I just stuck with what I thought was 62 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: the best, and I'd never thought that there was anything 63 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: out there. But it turns out ten years of technology 64 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: makes a difference. 65 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: The best change. 66 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: I didn't know that, and we found that out pretty quickly. 67 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, little changes here and there, 68 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: from year to year. But you know, I don't think 69 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: you know, next year's models are going to be, you know, 70 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: fifty percent better. You know, it's just making little incremental changes. 71 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: And that's where that's where you see the biggest gains. 72 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: Are you like a change, like do you get a 73 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: new cell phone a lot? Or do you kind of 74 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: stick with the same cell phone model? Like are you 75 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: change in technology outside of golf? 76 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: I got an iPad that's ten years old, you know, 77 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: I got a boat that's ten years old. I just 78 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: when it works, it works with it. 79 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. 80 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: Tell us a little about about the driver switch. 81 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 82 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: So I've always been a pretty accurate driver of the 83 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: golf ball, and I've used some other companies in the past, 84 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: and I think the biggest thing for me with the 85 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: ping driver was, uh the miss hits. You know when 86 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: you when you catch one slightly on the toe, you 87 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: catch one slightly on the heel. The dispersion was so 88 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: much tighter for me, and and I think that has 89 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 3: a lot to do with the spin and seeing much 90 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: more consistent spins. And I'm a guy that likes to 91 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: you know, hit the driver low. I call it a bullet, 92 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: which is for me kind of like a really low, 93 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: you know, seven eight degree launch window. And that was 94 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: the shot that I really leaned on, you know, eighty 95 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: percent of the time on the course. And so when 96 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: that SHOT's working, I'm playing well, and you know, you 97 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: want to be able to hit it slightly off the heel, 98 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: slightly off the toe, and you know, still see the 99 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: ball on the right side of the fairway, left side 100 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: of the fairway, not these major misses. And and that 101 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: was the biggest thing that I saw. 102 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that because when 103 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: you came into Focal our motion capture system, which you've 104 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: come in a few times with your coach, Mark Blackburn, right, 105 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: is you hit both your kind of kind of bullet 106 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: in the bomb, the bullet and the bomb. Tell us 107 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: a little bit more about that. 108 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you know, early on in my career, 109 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: I was just trying to find a way to get 110 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: the ball in play, and so we kind of worked 111 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: on this shot that I ended up calling the bullet, 112 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: which is like I said, that seven eight degree launch window, 113 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: and then that's my everyday, you know, eight out of 114 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: ten times I'm going to hit that shot. And on 115 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: a par five where you know you're looking for an 116 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: extra ten twelve yards. You know, that's where I will 117 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: tee it up a little higher, put the ball a 118 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: little more up in my stance and try to send 119 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: it and hit the bomb, as I call it. And 120 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: you know, it's a it's more of a it's not 121 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: a go to shot. It's more of a kind of 122 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: a situational shot on a par five, looking for that 123 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: extra distance. And but I think accuracy for me is 124 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: the most important thing. I'd rather hit a eight iron 125 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: out of the fairway than a nine aired pitching wedge 126 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: out of the rough, So you know, I'm looking to 127 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: hit fairways, and that's that was the biggest thing with 128 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: that pin driver for me. 129 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: It is so wild. We talk so much about distance 130 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: of speed in the modern game, and you hear so 131 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: many pros talk about accuracy, and I mean that. You know, 132 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: we're here kind of in Phoenix chatting about this. You know, 133 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: you just saw Justin Rose pick up a victorya hit 134 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of fairways. Now he was hit along, obviously, 135 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: but he was hitting a ton of fairways. Are we 136 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: as much as we obsess over distance in terms of 137 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: professional golf? Do you think there are times where we 138 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of forget about the importance of that in the fairway. 139 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: Well, I wonder that question all the time, and then 140 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: you you know, you look at the PGA Championship in 141 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: Rory McElroy's second and strokes, he ain't off the tea 142 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: and he's hit four fairways. If I don't quite understand 143 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: how that works, it doesn't quite add up for me. 144 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, in order to attack a pin, 145 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: you have to be playing out of the fairway, you know, 146 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: I mean, can you hit it on the green from 147 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: the rough, sure, but you know, if you really want 148 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: to be aggressive, you have to, you know, have to 149 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: be in the fairway. And so that's where I take, 150 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: you know, ten less yards from the fairaway than you know, 151 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: a fifty percent chance of missing the fairway with hitting 152 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: it really hard. But statistically, I think, you know, maybe 153 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: I'm wrong on that, but that's what's always worked for me. 154 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Marty would know that. Marty. I remember the first time 155 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: I saw something in terms of distance like dominating golf. 156 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: It was like four open and VJ was last in 157 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: the field and fairways hidden first in the field. In 158 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: greens regulation, he was one of those players that early 159 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: into it adopted the idea of I'm going to send 160 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: it as far as I can. I don't care what 161 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: club I have date off the team. Yeah. 162 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what Daniel telling to is like there's 163 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: a there's a certain trade off there, right, and once 164 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: you have some I mean, your ball speed's still high 165 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: one seventies. 166 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like even this morning, like I was 167 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: hitting what I call my bullet, which would typically drop 168 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: to like, you know, what I've been working on is 169 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 3: trying to get the bullet in the one eighties ball speed, 170 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: and today I was one to eighty three, which for 171 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: me is like that's massive, you know, like to be able, 172 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: you know, to get that distance out of something that 173 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 3: I know is going to hit the fairway. And three 174 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: four years ago, you know, I would have been seventy six, 175 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 3: seventy seven. So a little bit more speed, a little 176 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: bit more accuracy. Those are kind of the small margins. 177 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: We're looking for. 178 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Shannon says, you hear Daniel talking about 179 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: it reminds me. We asked Mason Howell after he won 180 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: the US AM like the importance of distance, and He's like, 181 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that important. Well, his ball 182 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: speed's also one to eighty three or whatever. It's like 183 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: asking Rory about distance. Yeah, once you get to the 184 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: high one seventies, it is. There's kind of an assump 185 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: tote where hey, once you're in your your window for 186 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: ball speed, then hey, it is more about that. And 187 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: one thing I love that you mentioned, Daniel, which is 188 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: we literally laser it on the face of our driver, 189 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: is the consistency of spin right, and just how that's 190 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: kind of a proxy. And do you do you look 191 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: at that on in your TrackMan metrics or is this 192 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: some more you're seeing and feeling out on the golf course. 193 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: Probably something I'm a more of a field player, so 194 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: you know, the analytics I kind of leave to my 195 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: coach more so, but I would say I definitely go 196 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: off of feel. And I think, you know, when you've 197 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: been playing golf for twenty five years and you've hit 198 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: millions of golf balls in your life, you know when 199 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: you slightly healed it or slightly towed it. And to see, 200 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: you know, I want to see a slight heel with 201 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: a little cutter. I want to see a slight toe 202 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: with just a little draw, but not you know, the huge, 203 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: you know, twenty yard hooks or twenty yard slices, and 204 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing. Is it fairways for me? Put 205 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: the ball in play, you know, get it in position, 206 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: and then let the rest of your game take take 207 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: over from there. 208 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Daniel, I know you battled an injury for what was 209 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: it was the nineteen months you were basically away from 210 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: the game. I'm assuming healthy now, but did you pay 211 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: attention to the game when you're away? I mean, were 212 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: you watching golf or did you disconnect from golf and 213 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: just kind of deal with yourself? 214 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was a little bit disconnected at 215 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: the time. I think, you know, golf I was always 216 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: it was in the back of my mind all the 217 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: time because I was like, what am I going to 218 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: play again? What am I going to play again? And 219 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: then you put the pressure on yourself like is it 220 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: this week? Is it next week? Is it next month? 221 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: Is it two months? 222 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: Is it three months? 223 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: And the time kind of goes by pretty slowly when 224 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: you think about it like that. And then I just 225 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: brought the mindset where just every day I'm going to 226 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: get better this day and this day, and then you 227 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: stack a bunch of good days in a row. Next thing, 228 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: you know, you've had six good months and now it's 229 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: a non issue. I think, you know, obviously working with 230 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: my coach and changing my golf swing a little bit. 231 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: You know, it may not look all that different, but 232 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: biomechanically it is much better than it was before. And 233 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: you know, changing the strength and conditioning program that I 234 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: was on and you know, really dialing that part in. 235 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: And like I say, now I'm much more professional than 236 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: I was at twenty three, twenty four years old. But 237 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: you can get away with some of the things at 238 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: twenty four that you can't get away with at thirty two. 239 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I'm still young, but just 240 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: I'm glad it happened when it did because I was 241 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 3: able to recover. And you never know, you know, you five, six, 242 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: seven years down the road if that happened, where would 243 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: I be able to get back to where I was? 244 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: And so it's it was all it's all a learning lesson. 245 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine there's you know, I'm 246 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: assuming it's like not playing on a major championship. You know, 247 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: once you've played a major champs are not playing a 248 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, and you've played a Ryder Cups, and I'm 249 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: sure there's that level of like I want to get 250 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: back there. But all so, if you watch it, there's 251 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: probably a level of man, I'm missing out or I 252 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: wish I was a part of this team. I mean, 253 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: disconnecting is probably the thing most people would do. Like 254 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: would you check your phone Monday morning to see who 255 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: win golf tournament? 256 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: No? 257 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: I really wouldn't even you know, I didn't pay any 258 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: attention to it. I was so hyper focused on like 259 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: how do I get But how do I get better today? 260 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 3: And you know, would it have been nice to, you know, 261 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: have been able to do that? Yeah, but I'm so competitive. 262 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: I think it actually upset me to look at the 263 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: tournament and be like that guy won or that guy won, 264 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: like I usually beat that guy, you know. So from 265 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: that regard, it was definitely tough to deal with that 266 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: part of it. But happy to be back and glad 267 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 3: to be healthy and looking forward to some good years 268 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: ahead of me. 269 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Would you would you watch other sports during that era? 270 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Like would you watch like I know you watched tennis 271 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: and pay attention to tennis pretty closely? Would you watch 272 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: tennis and kind of keep up with the with that 273 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: space in that world maybe you know Florida State sports 274 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: things like that. 275 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was doing a little bit of everything. Definitely, 276 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: tennis was one of the few things that I was watching. 277 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: I like Champions League soccer, So I was watching Champions 278 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: League soccer. 279 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: Who's your team? 280 00:10:59,440 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: It's not. 281 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: I don't don't even necessarily follow a team. 282 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: I just like it. 283 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: One of the best, you know, biggest teams in the 284 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: world play against each other. 285 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: So I think golf fans root for a playoff because 286 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: they get more golf. 287 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so that was the kind of a 288 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: cool thing for me. But yeah, definitely no golf, no golf. 289 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to take a little step back and 290 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: just talk about how you got into the game, what 291 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: sports you played growing up, and did you play on 292 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: your high school golf team or not, rather some. 293 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: Conflicting Yeah, I played a couple of years on my 294 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: high school golf team, but it wasn't you know, the 295 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: most competitive, you know, college or high school golf team. 296 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: But my dad was a professional tennis player. He was 297 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: a professional tennis coach. So I started playing tennis when 298 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: I was young, grew up doing that, loved it, still 299 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: play tennis now. Did a summer camp when I was 300 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: about eleven or twelve years old, and just like I 301 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: remember falling in love with the game and being like, man, 302 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: I can't wait to go back tomorrow. And I always 303 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: knew I wanted to do something in sports, and I 304 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: just twelve years old, I was like, I'm going to 305 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: be a professional golfer. And so I just you know, 306 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 3: woke up every day with the mindset of what can 307 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: I do today to get better? And obviously having a 308 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: dad who had played professional sports, there was kind of 309 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: that pathway and understanding what it took. And so I 310 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: would always ask him, you know, how many hours did 311 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: you practice? And he would say, well, I practice six 312 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: and I said, okay, well I'm gonna practice eight today, 313 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: you know. So that was just kind of the way 314 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: that I always went about it. But obviously a lot 315 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: of things have to go right for you to be 316 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: able to get to this level, and so, you know, 317 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 3: it's hard work, it's a bit of luck, it's the 318 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: whole thing combined, you know. 319 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: So do you kind of specialize in golf that you 320 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: know as a teenager somewhere right in there? 321 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 322 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: I think I kind of I played a little bit. 323 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: I didn't think I got like kind of to the elite, 324 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 3: you know, amateur level, till probably like my sophomore year 325 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: of college. I think my freshman year was a wash 326 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: at eighteen, you know, on your own, partying whatever, doing 327 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: things that you do and what people do in the 328 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: they go to college. And then the second year I 329 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: was like, all right, let's kind of lock in a 330 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: little bit. And that's when I really kind of elevated 331 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: my game. And uh, you know, guys weren't really leaving 332 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: school after two years. Yeah, it wasn't really the thing 333 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: to do. And then Jordan did it, and then I 334 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: did it, and that Justin Thomas did it, and there 335 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: was kind of like that class of twenty eleven where 336 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: guys weren't really finishing school and and you're kind of 337 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: naive at the time. You're like, you don't really know 338 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: it's ahead of you. You just kind of wake up 339 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 3: and go to tournaments. And you know, I went to 340 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: Q School and got my Corn Faery card and played 341 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: a year on the Corn Furry and I've been out 342 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: here ever since. But I definitely, you know, if I 343 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: knew how difficult it was now, I don't know if 344 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: that's the path I would have taken. And I always say, I, 345 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: you know, if I knew that this is how my 346 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: golf career would have went, I wish I would have 347 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: just stayed in school that extra two years because. 348 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I had so much fun. But yeah, for sure, I 349 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: mean you think about PJ Tour you now, I mean, 350 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: we focus a lot on it when we do corn Ferry. 351 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: But it's promoting that idea of staying throughout all four years. 352 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: And it's basically players aren't kind of going down I 353 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: mean some are, but few are kind of going down 354 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: that avenue. They want to stay through their senior year. 355 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: So they get that opportunity to get the PJ Tour card. 356 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: Through PJ Tour, you were get the corn Fairy Tour starts, 357 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: maybe get it that way. So and in a way, 358 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: I think that's actually helping players kind of say. 359 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have that if they if they 360 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: had that back when I was in school, I definitely 361 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: would have stayed. And so but what a great opportunity 362 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: for a nineteen twenty year old to earn your PGA 363 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: Tour card as a college golfer, and that just that 364 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: the whole thing is amazing for them, Daniel. 365 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: You know I've heard stories of like the professional dad, 366 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: the professional athlete dad. I mean Davis Love and Drew 367 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: have told the story where Drew went to Davis at 368 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: one point and said, Hey, if I want to do 369 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: what you do, I want you to approach me like 370 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: a professional golfer, not like a dad. When you have 371 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: a dad that has kind of gone through it, is 372 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: he laying out plans for you? Is he? Is he 373 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: kind of you've asked, you asking him questions, But is 374 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: he laying out a guide? This is what you need 375 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: to do, and this is what you need to put 376 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: in to get to the point or the dream you 377 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: have in your head. 378 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's always the toughest battle for a father, 379 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: you know, who has a son that wants to play 380 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: right because they know what it takes. But it's so 381 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: easy to push them in one direction, and you always 382 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: have to come in with the mindset that you have. 383 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: To love what you do. 384 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, sometimes when you have a 385 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: parent in that position, they can be a little you know, 386 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: too handsy, and so he always let me make the 387 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: mistakes that I was going to make, and obviously just 388 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: try to guide me you know, on the railroad track 389 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: to success, but you know, you have to live it 390 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: and do it on your own. And it's great to 391 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: have someone to talk to that's been there and done that. 392 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: But it is a very individual and lonely sport. 393 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: So both, I mean both, That's what the interesting thing too, though, right, 394 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean he was in an individual sport as well. 395 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: So you're a professional basketball player very different than a 396 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: tennis or golfer. 397 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 398 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: I think the one thing he always was an unbelievable 399 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: thing is the contacts that he had and the people 400 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: that he's always been able to put me in touch 401 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: with if I ever needed something, you know, you know, 402 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: whether it's von Land or Andre Agasy, like just like 403 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: the resources that other people in my position didn't have, 404 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: and to be able to speak to those people, it's 405 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: like incredible stuff. 406 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Did you like call Andrea Agassy one day? Yeah? 407 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: We had a pretty good well we still have a 408 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: great relationship. But he was one of the guys that 409 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: I talked to when I was going through the injury 410 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: stuff and just kind of help laid it out for me. 411 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: And he's a very I don't know if I want 412 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: to use the word spiritual, but he's you know, he's 413 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: just got a great perspective on life, and you know 414 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: that's that's stuff that you can't get anywhere. 415 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: Else, you know. Yeah, I mean he's been through it, 416 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean everything. Yeah, upcoming US Open venue. I know, 417 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're probably reletively excited to see Shittacock on 418 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: the line up again. I was thinking back to that 419 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: US Open. The day has to have been one of 420 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the weirdest. But third into fourth round and was third round, right, 421 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: would you shoot sixty six? Yeah? 422 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: I shot three or four under and went from like 423 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: eightieth the tied. 424 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: For the leader. 425 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: You're you and Tony right, Like, I was sitting there 426 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: watching you know, the telecasts in the afternoon on Saturday, 427 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: and I just kept watching my name upping up or 428 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: up and up the leaderboard, and next thing I know, 429 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: I was in the final group. 430 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: So was it was it like a shocking situation to 431 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: be in? Can like, you know, you you kind of 432 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: look back on it. Obviously in the time it might 433 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: not feel that way, But was it like uncomfortable in 434 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: the fact that all of a sudden, you're you have 435 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: a chance to win this US Open, when you know 436 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: you just basically make it to the weekend, make the cut, 437 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: and you're there. 438 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think you know US opens have a ton 439 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: of carnage, so you're it's it's expected, you know that. 440 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: I mean, remember that was the one where Phil Michelson 441 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: was putting it down the hill and he walked up 442 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: and banged it. He could hit it back, and so 443 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: that's the type of stuff that happens at US opens. 444 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: Your one minute you're tied for the lead, the next 445 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: minute you're in thirtieth place. Like you can make a 446 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: triple or quadruple bogie in two seconds. So I wouldn't 447 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 3: say I was shocked, but it was definitely an incredible opportunity. 448 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: And I'm proud of the way I handled myself on 449 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: that Sunday, And I feel like, had I experience what 450 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: I experienced, then if I went into that situation again, 451 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: I'd be so much better off. And you know, I 452 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 3: was right there, you know, with nine holes to go, 453 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: and so just would love to get myself back there again. 454 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think DJ shot seventy seven that 455 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: third round. I think your score, I think your number 456 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: was like ten shots better than the scoring average. I mean, 457 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: not the number, but it was just a wild Saturday 458 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: that US Opens, especially at a golf course like that. So, 459 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: I mean, does that get you excited to know that 460 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: the Chinnacock's upcoming again? Yeah? 461 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's one of the best of 462 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: the rotation for the US Opens that we play. I 463 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: think it's fair, it's tough, and I think it's just 464 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: a true test of golf. Like for me, last year 465 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 3: at Oakmont was not my favorite US Open. I feel 466 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: like they're purposely trying to just make it as tough 467 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: as possible and there's not really a lot of opportunities 468 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: to make a birdie, Like you hit it in the rough, 469 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: just grab a wedge and lay up. Like That's why 470 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: I think Pineers was really good. Shinnacock, like you hit 471 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: a bad shot, like all right, there's risk and reward, 472 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: but you know you have an opportunity. And so I 473 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: don't know anything that's like over par. I mean, I 474 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 3: get it, it's the US Open, but it's nice to 475 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: like not feel like you're seven hours of just torture, you. 476 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Know, get a chance to get well on two over 477 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: through six. 478 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: I guess I'm that's I mean, that's the feeling. 479 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how how analytical of a player. I 480 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: mentioned you kind of a field players. Do you let 481 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: your whole team kind of do the analytics side or 482 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: you kind of on you know, cut the launch monitor often. 483 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: No, I use the launch monitor every day. I think 484 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: if you're gonna hit golf balls, there's no reason to 485 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: not know exactly how far the ball's going. You know, 486 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: how how much spin do I have on the ball, 487 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 3: Like those are the things that are gonna help you 488 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: in the long run. But I think nowadays, like players 489 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: are much more in tune with the analytics of just 490 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: course strategy, and like most players have someone on their 491 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 3: team that's that's doing that type of stuff. I've been 492 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: doing that for probably seven eight years now, which is 493 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: early on like no one did that stuff. But you 494 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 3: know it's nice like pre round you can see, like 495 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: if you're late in the afternoon, like what percentage you 496 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 3: guys went for the screen and two and where did 497 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: they make a bogie from? And what pin is accessible? 498 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: And I get that, like after playing twenty years of golf, 499 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: you know that like left to a missing left to 500 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 3: a left pin is no good. But on a reachable 501 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: part four or you know, a part five that you 502 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: can reach into to kind of know, you know, the 503 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 3: guys that laid up made Birdie fifty percent of the time. 504 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 3: The guys that went for it made Birdy ten percent. 505 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Of the time. 506 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: Like that's a good little stat to have. So I 507 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: think that's playing more in playing more of a role 508 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: in today's game. 509 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So some of those things that like kind of 510 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: seem obvious in hindsight. 511 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't really Like there's a print out 512 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: of exactly, you know, a game plan. Yeah, and I'll 513 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 3: give it to my caddie because I want him to, 514 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: you know, be informed, to be informed. But I know 515 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: these things, you know, but if it helps him make 516 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: a decision in the moment where you know, I want 517 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: I'm an aggressive player, I want to go for it, 518 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, man, like. 519 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: Let's just lay up here. 520 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: This is kind of a tiebreaker or something. Yeah, it's 521 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: a bit of a tie breaker. 522 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Daniel, what was the college golf team? Like, 523 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think there is three guys 524 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: in the field here in Phoenix this week. I mean 525 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: it it seems like did you know what was going 526 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: to be like that? Did you know that we were 527 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: going to get this many guys that could make it 528 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: out on the tour. 529 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think just golf in general has gotten more athletic, 530 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 3: and the golfers are more prepared to come out on 531 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 3: tour at an earlier age, you know, like you said 532 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: that pj Tu, they're getting opportunities on the corn ferry. 533 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: They're just better golfers in general. I think it's much 534 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: harder to win now than it was ten years ago 535 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: because the level of play is so much, so much higher, 536 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: and so like when I see what Scotti Scheffler's doing now, 537 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's incredible. And obviously Tiger was, 538 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: you know, the top of the game forever. But I 539 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: think let's say, you know, Tiger had to beat ten guys. 540 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: You know, Scotty's got to beat you know, one hundred 541 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: guys that people that are capable of winning. So, you know, obvious, 542 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: see as time goes on, you know, players get better, 543 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: more athletic. But what he's doing is just incredible. 544 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: Was your college team like, was it wild being on 545 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: that team? I mean, did would you become close with 546 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: any of those guys? And then I mean are you 547 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: still close with him today? 548 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 549 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: I'm close with basically everybody I played with. I think 550 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: as you get older, you know, people start to have 551 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: kids and get married, and you know, it's just like 552 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: you know, lives change a little bit. But obviously, you know, 553 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: we were a pretty good college golf team. You know, 554 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: Brooks played on my team. I played on his team 555 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: for a year that he would say that I played on. 556 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: He put it in the right order. 557 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: He was the captain. I was a freshman, but I 558 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: mean we had three or four guys on our my 559 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: first two years. I ended up playing on the PGA Tour, 560 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 3: so I play Chase Seifert. There's another kid on that team, 561 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: a kid named Doug Letson played on corn Ferry. So 562 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we had a really good team. It was 563 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: just you know, we never quite got through the we played. 564 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 3: We always made it to nationals and we were right 565 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: there on the match play, but we just always finish 566 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: eighth or ninth, and just you know, it's tough, but 567 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: we were a good team. We were really close. Those 568 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: are two of the best years, you know, of my 569 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: life playing college golf. 570 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: You know Brooks. I mean, obviously Brooks has been in 571 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: the news is of late a lot, but Brooks has 572 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: been one of those guys like I think if you 573 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: were going to talk about Scotti Scheffler, I think people 574 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: lean on the iron play or maybe even the pitching 575 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: around the greens, talk about ror, you talk about the 576 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: distance off the tee. I don't know if people would 577 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: necessarily go to a certain skill of Brooks Kepka possesses 578 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: in terms of golf game. I mean, obviously polished across 579 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: the board, but it feels like mentally he's just so 580 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: superior in terms of how he can handle the situation. 581 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: Did you see that in college? Was that something that 582 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: he showed at times? Do you feel like that's the 583 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: guy he is as a player? 584 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everything you're seeing, you know, in the 585 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: last whatever five six, seven, eight years of his professional 586 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: career is not that different from when he was in college. 587 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: He just was an average to poor putter in college 588 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: and then he kind of figured it out, and I 589 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: think that's the biggest difference, you know, And there's something 590 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: to be said about can you make a ten footer 591 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: or can you make a ten footer on the you know, 592 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: fifteen or on the you know, seventieth hole of a 593 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: major championship? Kind of like that that right timing and 594 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: that that pressure putting that I think is the biggest difference. 595 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, he knows how to prepare and 596 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: he knows the process that it takes to get ready 597 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: and play well in majors, and so you know it's 598 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: something to pay attention to and to look at what 599 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: he does. 600 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: Speaking of putters, you used another a putter for quite 601 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: some time before switching to your OSLO. Tell us a 602 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: little bit about that switch and what what were some 603 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: of the key things you really focused on when you 604 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: were evaluating him. I know you were working with your 605 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: new putty switch puttying coaches at the time too, so 606 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: made a couple of changes kind of simultaneously there. 607 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had this you know, this old you know, 608 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: ghost tailor made putter that I used since high school 609 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: and or college and just never again. It was one 610 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 3: of those things like I just never really wanted to change. 611 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: I always liked to think that it's not you know, 612 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: the equipment, it's the player, right, or what's the saying, 613 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: it's not the arrow, it's the whatever, the Indian, it's 614 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: not the arrow. So that was my philosophy. And then 615 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: about whatever six months ago, I started tinkering with different 616 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: ping putters and what is it? What's it's called the 617 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: OSLO or I didn't even know that I'm using the 618 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 3: os Low, but uh yeah, I just put it in 619 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 3: play and love the way it felt off the face, 620 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: and you know, it was really consistent, and you know, 621 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 3: I really was putting way better and brought a new 622 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 3: putting coach onto my team who's really kind of put 623 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: me on a plan that really. 624 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: Has gotten me better. 625 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: Really, that's the bottom line is I've always been a 626 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: pretty average putter, and then you know, you figure out 627 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: what you need to do, and when it comes from 628 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 3: the right person and you actually understand what's happening, then 629 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 3: you can get better. And so that's the biggest b 630 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing for me. And I spent you know, 631 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: three months in the off season working on it, which 632 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to do in years, and uh, 633 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: I'm starting to see you know the results of that. 634 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: And it's really nice to you know, find something in 635 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: your game that you know needs to improve and then 636 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: to put the time in and to really see that. Yeah, 637 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: you know, come to fruition, so really excited for this 638 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: season and what's to come. 639 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: So if you made changes to kind of your mechanics 640 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: and your practice or what. Oh, it's kind of yeah. 641 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: I've always been a conventional putter, grip putter, you know, 642 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: the normal grip, and I always had this problem where 643 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: my left shoulder was super high. And we were sitting 644 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: there and practicing and trying, you know, sitting in a mirror, 645 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: trying to get my shoulders level, and I was just like, coach, 646 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: I can't do this. Like I'd sit here for two hours, 647 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: perfect in a mirror, go on the punt and green 648 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: and I'm like this, yeah. And so we started working 649 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: on left hand low and that immediately, like I mean, 650 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: as soon as you drop your left hand, you know, 651 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: now your shoulders a level. And that was one of 652 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 3: the biggest things for me, just getting in a much 653 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: more consistent setup to start. And I think once that 654 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: setup was in the right place, then the mechanics kind 655 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: of came secondary and cleaned everything up and so nice. Yeah, 656 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: it's been a huge change for me. It's nice to 657 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: to not stress about, you know, cudding. You know, like 658 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: there's I think everybody goes through it at some point 659 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: where they're you know, they're not battling anything, but they 660 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: you know, don't feel as confident, and the last year 661 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: six months I've really felt great on the green, so 662 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: that's been huge for me. 663 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one of the big things from when 664 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: you got the new putter was evaluating the consistency of 665 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: the face to path right, and just we just know 666 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: shame from our research, like, man, if you can start 667 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: that ball online and it's all about the face delivery. Yeah, 668 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: so that was a big thing I think you worked 669 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: on with your coach with it when you getting into 670 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: the OSLA. 671 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 672 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: And the one thing about putting is, uh, you know, 673 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: it's an educated guess, right, Like, I mean, you have 674 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: to start the ball online, but reading a putt is 675 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: an educated guest, you know. So you talk to any 676 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: great putter, it's like, well, I picked the line that 677 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: I think the ball is going to go on, but 678 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 3: there's no guarantee that the ball is going in the hole, 679 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: you know. So that's a little bit of a freeing 680 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: mindset too of just you're doing your best right as 681 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: long as you you know, you focus on the process 682 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: and your mechanics are good and you're starting the ball 683 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: online and the rest takes care of itself. 684 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a mentality I when I'm struggling with my 685 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: putting and mentality, I typically lean on is all I 686 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: can do is make a good stroke. That's at the 687 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: end of the day. It's like if it goes in 688 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: or doesn't. 689 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: So many variables. I mean, the ball balances this way, 690 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: there's a piece of grass, there's a sand, you know, 691 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: whatever's right or. 692 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Wrong, you know all those things. But it's like if 693 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: you can make it, the only you control making a 694 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: good stroke. Outside of golf, I know you're into fishing. 695 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Do you fish at home when you're on your off weeks? 696 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: Every week? 697 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: I would say I've been fishing less than I normally do. 698 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: I love you know, I live on the river, so 699 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 3: I got the boat behind the house, and I can, 700 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, lower it off the lift and I'm in 701 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: the ocean and you know, fifteen minutes. So that's always 702 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: nice to have. But I'm a calm weather fisherman. Yeah, 703 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 3: so you know that sounds like I think i'd be 704 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: a calm weather fisher I'm not really into like the 705 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 3: battling the seas of you know, five six foot seas, 706 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: So the summertime is when I like to fish. That's 707 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: when you know, the golf stream is flat. We take 708 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: a couple of trips every year to the Bahamas and 709 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: that's my time. But this time of year it's windy. Yeah. 710 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: What do you do when you're when you're home and 711 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: you're not focusing on golf and you're not practicing, Like, 712 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: what do you do to kind of get away from everything? 713 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Are you a TV? Movie podcast? Guy? What do you do? 714 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: No? 715 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: I'm I have to be outside. I have to be 716 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: doing something physical, something active. 717 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: Tens a lot, tennis. Give a tennis court to your house. 718 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: My parents have a tennis court at their house. I've 719 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: been playing padel a little bit like that kind of 720 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: tennis pickleball version with it's a bit of squash, pickleball, 721 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: tennis all in one. Yeah, and that's amazing, so much fun. 722 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're good too. I'm all right. 723 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna say I'm great, but I 724 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: mean I'm I'm not gonna, you know, make a fool 725 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: of myself. But the last couple of times I've played, 726 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: I've you know, picked up some small little injuries here 727 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: and there. So I've decided to kind of wait till 728 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: the end of my golfing career before I really, you know, 729 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: get into it full time. 730 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: It's like all those quarterbacks that you see that like 731 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: get into like you know, paddle and tennis and handball 732 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. When they're done playing and they're like, 733 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: oh now they're really good. They like nationally ranked. You know, 734 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: the athletes are dove into that space. 735 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: What tournaments are you looking forward to the most this year? 736 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 3: I think, you know, some of the events that I'm 737 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: really looking forward to, definitely, you know, the elevated not 738 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: because of what they are, but just the fact that 739 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: there are tournaments that I've played well in the past. 740 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: You know, you look at Travelers or Bay Hill or 741 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: RBC Heritage, like these are tournaments that historically I've loved 742 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: to go to before they became this elevated event and 743 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: then obviously taking time off, I wasn't in them, so 744 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: I had to work my way back in them. And 745 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: so they were tournaments, you know, two years ago that 746 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: I didn't play, and then I was able to play 747 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 3: them last year. 748 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I love this place. 749 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: Like sucks that you have to I mean I love 750 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: that you have to qualify for them, but it sucks 751 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: that they just some of these guys don't get to 752 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: experience them. 753 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: So and you play good at RBC last year, Right, 754 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: RBC is a great one. 755 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like a fiddly little short 756 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: course with a great golf course for here. Yeah, I 757 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: mean I hit the little bullet shots, little cuts, you know, 758 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 3: you get to play in the wind. It's just it's 759 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: that type of course that I really enjoy playing. So 760 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: it's nice to be able to know that I'm in 761 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: them this year. But just to go back to those places. 762 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: Your iron play, I mean it's statistically been a great 763 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: iron player. Do you shape the ball into different pins 764 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: or you kind of like just one shot shaped type 765 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: of player. 766 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: I think I'm definitely left to right for sure cutting 767 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: the ball, but I think as my career has gone on, 768 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 3: I've been more comfortable withdrawing it, which early on I 769 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: was like strictly slices everywhere. So I think as you 770 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: get older, you you know, you figure out ways to 771 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: make the ball do what you want. But like if 772 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: the pin was on the left ten years ago, the 773 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: ball would be thirty five feet right every single time. 774 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: So now I actually have an opportunity to get get 775 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: it in there. That's part of the change that you know, 776 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: you make as you get older and you work on 777 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: your game. And so there's players now that come out 778 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: and I watch them play and I'm like, man, that 779 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: looks like the way. 780 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: I used to play. So, uh, considering your ball flight, 781 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you like links golf, Like do you get 782 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: fired up for links golf season? 783 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love links golf. The only thing I don't 784 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: like is the travel to get over there. But other 785 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: than that, like once you're there by like the third day, 786 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: it's amazing. I think it's a totally different perspective on golf. 787 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm not a historical person, but to play a 788 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: golf course that was one hundred and twenty years old 789 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: like that, to me is really cool to think about, 790 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: like like. 791 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: Four hundred years old some of these places, you know 792 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You play some of these places, you're like, man, 793 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean this is like generation ago. 794 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to think about the people that have walked 795 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: that course over the course of one hundred and fifty 796 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: two hundred years, Like, that's the part that I think 797 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: is cool. I played the Scottish Open this year and 798 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: stayed in that little town called North Barrick again, you know, 799 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: that's one of the oldest golf courses around. 800 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: Have you played it? 801 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: Did? 802 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: You actually played played like six or seven holes last 803 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: year and I thought that was super cool just to 804 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: see the way they designed the golf and like how 805 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: it's so timeless in it. 806 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's a different nutty too. I 807 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: mean there's a wall just in the middle of one. 808 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: It's just they don't make golf courses like that. It's 809 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: so simple, but so yeah, you know, architecturally interesting. 810 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: Yes, you know. Yeah, it's it's like the first hole 811 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: could be the easest hole in the world at North Barrick, 812 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: and then the wins into you and it's like, yeah, 813 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: driver four iron and then eighteen's like two eighty. So 814 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: if it's like down when you're hitting four or five iron, Daniel, 815 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Last thing I'm gonna ask is you 816 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: mentioned before we got going we were talking about Gusher's 817 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: the snack and you said, that's a boat snack. What's 818 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: what else does a boat snack for? 819 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: You? 820 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: Can you give us your boat snack? 821 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, boat snack is a lot of times it's just 822 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: a public sub, you know, pub sub. But the only 823 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 3: thing you sweets or no, no, not really a lot 824 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: of sweets. The only thing you don't bring on a 825 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: boat is a banana. 826 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: That's bad luck. 827 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: So anything but anything but a banana. 828 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: Here you go. 829 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 3: See you learn not catch You're not catching fish if 830 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: you bring a banana. 831 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: Love that advice. See now people learn something on the podcast. 832 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate the table, Dan, have a great year. This is 833 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: the pink prooven Grounds podcast