1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: who will be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: all while staying glamorous. Today with me, we have founder 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: and CEO of the Sculpt Society, the incredibly talented Meghan Route. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Meghan speaks about how she shows up and stays authentic 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: for her online community, the struggle that is real that 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: is being pregnant, and her struggle with body image in general, 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: and her dreams for the future. Megan and I also 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: talk very candidly about how times are finally changing and 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: if you have a large social media presence, you don't 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: just have to post the perfect. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: Pictures or what I like to call the highlight reel. 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: You can post your pregnancy scars, your struggles of the week, 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and just that keeping it real 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: is just so incredibly import I am so excited for 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: all of you to listen to this episode. We had 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: such an amazing conversation and I hope you enjoy it. 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: It's a good thing. 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: It's funny because I got to know you, which I'm 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: sure you probably hear this all the time, but like 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: I first saw you on Aril Turnasis and I just remember, like, 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: who is this cutie that is like making these people 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: dance around and do these things. The first thing I 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: thought was like, oh my god, I can never do 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: that because I'm not coordinated like that. And I'm also 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: like I'm also not confident enough to kind. 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Of do that. 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: But yet you had this big smile on your face 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: and this like beaming energy. And then I got to 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: know you, and I was like, she's such like this 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: sort of you know, ray of sunshine. 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: But I also sensed. 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Your doubts and kind of like insecurity about change and 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: building and growing and moving forward in your next steps. 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: And then of course motherhood. So let's talk about that. 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: So let's first start a little bit like where did 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: you grow up? And who on earth were you? And 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: what kind of kid? And were you awkward? 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: Were you? 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: Yeah? 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Were you incredibly popular and outgoing or were you super 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: shy and awkward or neither? 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was super shy and awkward. My parents are 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: South African. I moved around a lot as a kid, 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: so I was born in Orange County, but from the 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: age of five to thirteen, I lived in Quarterlin, Idaho, 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 4: which is a tiny little town on the lake. In 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 4: between we moved back to Cape Town for a year. 50 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: Back to Ida, Cape Town and Idaho. 51 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine two more different places in life. 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: Well, and then we moved to Santa Barbara for my 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: high school. So it was I like to say, I 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: rocked up my freshman year in birkenstocks and. 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: Was like, I'm cool. 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 4: Well you are not cool, sister, So yeah, talk about 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 4: just so much change all at once for someone who 58 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: is naturally int red and shy, and so, you know, 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: I think I always leaned on a movement, specifically dance. 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 4: I grew up dancing and it came really naturally to 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: me and I fell in love with it. And I 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: think that was a sense of confidence for me growing 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: up because it was something that I could do that 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: I could be confident in and I could pour myself into. 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: So I really grew up dancing and I was, you know, 66 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: classical ballet trained, and then in high school I was 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: on the dance team, and you know, college. 68 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: I find a lot of my kids girlfriends dance, and 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: it's like such a nice outlet I think for them, you. 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: Know, and you know, and a change in a pivot 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: for me from ballet where you're really by yourself, right, 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: like you're in it by yourself, whereas on a dance 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: team you're with friends. And that was my first experience 74 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: with different modalities with dancing with friends. And then I 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: went to school in New York. I was at NYU. 76 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: Amazing, that's so impressive. That is no joke. I read that. 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: I was like, as really smart, this is wild. 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got the the token minor and media study 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: to appease my parents who are like, you want to 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: do what with your career? And so, you know, I 81 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: really felt like that was my path. I was going 82 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 4: to be a professional dancer and that was what I 83 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: was meant to do, and for the time, that is 84 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 4: what I felt really called to do. But people always 85 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: ask me like, like where did fitness start to happen 86 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: in all of this? And it really began as a 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: side hustle. So I was, I had graduated, I was auditioning, 88 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: and I actually worked like multiple jobs. 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: I was so I was dancing professionally. 90 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: I worked in fashion as a fit model, so as 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: a production fit model. A lot of people don't know 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: that side of fashion right, where like you're working with. 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: Design clothing fit. Yeah, I mean you do obviously. 94 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: Very important, by the way, very important, very important. 95 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: I did that. 96 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 4: I did that for eight years, and then I also 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: was teaching fitness on the and never really thought of 98 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: it as like I thought I would go into it 99 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: for the paycheck. But I really like quickly fell in 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: love with it because so much of my twenties were 101 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: consumed by negative body image and an unhealthy relationship with food, 102 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: and I think such a missing puzzle piece for me 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: and the overall healing journey for me was finding a 104 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: way of working out and a movement practice that felt 105 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: aligned and felt joyful. And so once I figured that 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: out and was able to work with other women in 107 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: a movement practice and share how to build confidence within 108 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: their bodies, I mean it really cracked me open. And 109 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: in a way I didn't. I was like, oh my gosh, 110 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 4: this is really what I'm meant to be doing. And 111 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: I really felt that early on. But I also felt 112 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 4: like I had so much more to learn and to 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: educate myself on and so I like dove deep into 114 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: boutique fitness New York City and really like was in 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: there were former plates and yoga and dance cardio, and 116 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: Sculpton was just trying to dive deep into all of that. 117 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: By the way, I know this is like a long. 118 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. 119 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by it, and I want to talk 120 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: about it because the one thing it's interesting. I was 121 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 1: talking to a mom friend of mine and her daughter 122 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: just won like a dance competition and whatever, and I 123 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: would say, for every mom friend I have with daughters, 124 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: they're in dance. I would say ninety percent of them 125 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: are in dance. And I said, well, keep an eye 126 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: on her, really keep an eye on her, because I 127 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: already have fifty percent of those girls already have eating 128 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: issues starting from like an age of nine. And my 129 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: friends that are grown now that were dancers in ballet 130 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: or on Broadway or every kind of dancer, they very 131 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: admittedly talk about their body image issues that they struggled 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: with for their entire career. And I actually think, you know, 133 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: and it's obviously not your job to do so, but 134 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: I do think that's a code that needs to be 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: worked on, too. 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: Crack how to. 137 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Somehow celebrate dancing because it's so incredible and such an 138 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: amazing outlet for young women and men honestly, but like 139 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: that it does ultimately become about your body somehow because 140 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: you're in a freaking leotard all the time. 141 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I will say what's so interesting is I 142 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: get very similar messages I would say almost equally as 143 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: much from former dancers, but also just former athletes, like 144 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: former like do you want female athletes who were in 145 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: a very strict you know, whatever, volleyball, whatever it was. 146 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: And so I think it's I think it's just I mean, 147 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: I just think it's growing up as a female. But 148 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: if you are in a competitive landscape of any athletics 149 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: at all, there is definitely your hyper sensitive to your body. 150 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: And so absolutely, I think what I am trying to 151 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: do now is create within the sculpt society a really 152 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: safe place where there is no triggering diet culture language, 153 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: where we are not talking about a thigh gap or 154 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: six stack abs, and really changing the conversation and being 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: a disruptor in the fitness space that is so toxic, 156 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: so toxic for women. How can I be a new 157 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: voice for women to come in and feel like, wow, okay, 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 4: it's actually okay for me to be myself and how 159 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: oh gosh, I'm not hearing all of these triggering messages 160 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 4: about burning calories or whatever it may be. And so yes, 161 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: if I could do anything within what I'm doing with 162 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: the Sculpt Society, it is to change that behavior that 163 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 4: we see time and time again within fitness, within all 164 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: of it. 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: And it's I think it's a never ending conversation, honestly. 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: And I was going to say, like, I think of 167 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: Sculpt Society and I think with your background and just 168 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: seeing it and knowing it and living it and breathing it. 169 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: And now I think, you know, having a second, you know, 170 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: healthy pregnancy and talking about what that's like. 171 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: And it's funny because I. 172 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: Very ironically did love being pregnant, which is I think 173 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: shocks everybody because. 174 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, and I think it's I. 175 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: Think I'm more jealous that I'm just jealous that you 176 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: enjoyed us the first one. 177 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed. 178 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: This second one was really a pain in the butt 179 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: because I was I had a toddler and you're just it's, 180 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, trying to run while you can't breathe and like, 181 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: so that was a different volgume. But I more enjoyed 182 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: the process of feeling a human kicking around in my body. 183 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: I actually was so endlessly fascinated by that. And I 184 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: also think like I was medically fascinated that we were 185 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: growing a human. And I would look at my husband 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: and see how jealousy was that he could never know 187 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: what this feels like, you know, And I thought that 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: was kind of cool, like it's a pain in the butt, 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: like it's And I also like loved afterwards when I 190 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: was like, yes, I'm not pregnant anymore. 191 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: I can like have a diet coke or drink coffee, 192 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you could do the things. 193 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: That, like you, I'd enjoy that you're like, oh my god, 194 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: it's going to hurt the baby. So you know, I 195 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: do love that freedom. But I do think it's such 196 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: an important conversation to have going along with body image 197 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: is I think the conversation around pregnancy. And I think 198 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: it's okay to be like, yeah, I hate this, and like, 199 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: by the way, do you know how many friends I 200 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: have that are like I would have six kids if 201 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have to carry them because I hate it 202 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: and kids are bodies differently. 203 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 204 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: But I also think what's so fascinating. 205 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: Is like when you when we start to have these 206 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: more open and honest conversations, Yeah, they're starting to happen, 207 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: but yeah, slowly, you know, so many people are like, 208 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you feel like that too, and you 209 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: start to realize it's really not alone, right, and so 210 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: many women are going through that. And so I think, 211 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 4: whether I'm on social media or within my workouts, it's 212 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: so important to me that I'm just showing up and 213 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: really expressing myself of like I hate the more authentic, 214 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 4: but like you really like authentically being like, you know 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: what I'm struggling today. It is not all like perfect 216 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: and like this is the situation. And then and then 217 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: me actually getting the support I'm feeling for my own 218 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: community being like oh girl, like I hated to be 219 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: pregnant too, and like you can be grateful to be pregnant, 220 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: but like you don't have to enjoy it. And so yeah, 221 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: I just trying to have more of those open conversations 222 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: and actually just feeling so supported by. 223 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: I think it is great and I and I actually 224 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: think that I actually think people have an expectation that 225 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: people with a big platform are honest now because I 226 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: don't think people want to see the highlight reel anymore. 227 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: I think actually people want you to be real with them. 228 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: And I think the more real you are, the more 229 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: comfortable people are, the more they really are attracted to 230 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: you and what you have to say, because they're like, 231 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: thank you for not giving us this glossy artistic photo 232 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: and showing us like, oh, you have a brutal scar, 233 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: or you have like whatever it is, you have malasma, 234 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: you like whatever it is, right, And I think that 235 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: that's great. 236 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: So I'm back for a second. 237 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,479 Speaker 1: So you go to AMIU, you come out, You're like, Okay, 238 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, And now you launch. 239 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: Scolpt Society in what like twenty seventeen or something, right, 240 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: okay seventeen. Are you scared? 241 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah I was. 242 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, like, I was so in that fitness world, 243 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: but I was also really frustrated because I felt like 244 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,119 Speaker 4: boutique fitness was so intimidating for everyone. 245 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: It felt overwhelming. 246 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 4: It didn't feel warm and welcoming, specifically dance based fitness, 247 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 4: like unless you were a dancer, like you weren't walking 248 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 4: in and doing a class. 249 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: Hell doesn't have no, no, No, I'm working out in 250 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: front of I'm like, God, no, I barely want to 251 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: work out in front of myself. 252 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: No. 253 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just felt I felt like the class 254 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: I always wanted, the community I always wanted, didn't exist. 255 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 4: And so that's really the reason the School Society was born. 256 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: And Yeah, I launched in twenty seventeen in New York. 257 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: I started teaching out of these incubator spaces that were 258 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: starting to come out where you could go in, you 259 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 4: could teach your class, and you could create cultivate community, 260 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: and you didn't have to deal with brick and mortar. 261 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 4: So I'm so grateful for those studios that existed. Yeah, 262 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 4: and I just I started to really build. I mean, 263 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: I'm talking like two people and customers, you know what, 264 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 4: that's what That's what I said. I was like, the 265 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: I know, if I can get those two people in 266 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: the door and to experience what I can deliver with 267 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: the School Society, They're going to tell their friends and 268 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 4: word of mouth is going to spread. And I'm also 269 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: going to utilize social media. And the combination of those 270 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: two things really did happen. Like people, you know, a 271 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: six months, nine months down the road, you know, classes 272 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: were killed and it was the start of this really 273 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: exciting stage that. 274 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: Incredible and terrifying. 275 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: It gets just terrified because had you met your husband 276 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: at this point, you guys were already together. 277 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: So I met, Yes, Yes, he has been around since 278 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: like Presquol Society days and like me, just like IB 279 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: eighty and thinking about what I wanted to do, and 280 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: I would like literally test like class flows on him. 281 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: He was like my guinea He's my guinea pig. But 282 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: it was so exciting because because like you. 283 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: Know, I really felt like what I had in this 284 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: in this class was special, and it was that the 285 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: next stage was, Okay, how do I scale this? How 286 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: do I build this into something bigger than just a class? 287 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: And so you know, I'm a millennial. 288 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: I knew social media was important and so utilizing in 289 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: a way getting influencers and celebrities and models through the door, 290 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: getting you know, starting to get them to chat about it, 291 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: and then also but also treating my community how I 292 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 4: write like I always talk about Sally Jael with ten followers, 293 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: like she was coming to my class and she was 294 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: feeling seen, she was feeling successful, she was not feeling 295 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: overwhelmed in my class, and and she was feeling that 296 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: warmth that I feel like the School of Society has 297 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: and she was telling her friends and so I really 298 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: believe that the combo of those two things really allowed 299 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: me to build that community is amazing. 300 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: And then okay, so then what made you move out here? 301 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: What made you move to LA? Because I remember when 302 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: you were doing that and we were texting each other 303 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: and you were like, I'm scared, should I do it? 304 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, come out like I'm out 305 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: And now I find this whole life and community here. 306 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: I know, I do remember chatting with you. I was 307 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: so nervous to LA. So I went to high school 308 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: in Santa Barbara and my parents are still there and so, 309 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: you know, being away from them was really hard. I 310 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: was madly in love with New York City, but I 311 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: didn't ever know when the time was right for me 312 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: to move. And then a year into the pandemic, I 313 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: also got married. 314 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: Pandemic marriage, pandemic pregnancy. I'm done. 315 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I think it's it's time. It's time, Like, 316 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: this is the time I think to make the move. 317 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: I made sense for us, and so yeah, it's been 318 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: it's been two years, and gosh, you know, I was 319 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 4: in New York for years, so I still have a 320 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: ways to go with LA. 321 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, Listen, I'm from I'm from New York. 322 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I'll love New York forever. And I actually didn't miss 323 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: it until the past year, funny enough, which is so wild, 324 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: I like, and maybe it's because my kids are a 325 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: bit older and I can wrap my head around it again, 326 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, and that life. 327 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: But I think you have it right because you go out. 328 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: For yeah, I go for two months. 329 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, So that to me is like in my 330 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: ideal world, I would be by postal, but like go 331 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 4: to like New York for like a month at a time, 332 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: and like have both worlds. 333 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and you still have your New York based 334 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: community too, right, So how does that work? 335 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: How does that work? 336 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 4: So I have two amazing trainers based in New York, 337 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 4: but you know, ninety nine percent of the business is online, 338 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 4: so right we are you know they're streaming for New 339 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 4: York Live. Yeah, they're recording content live. I record content 340 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, And I think you know, now with 341 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: the pandemic, we're on the other side. I think everyone's 342 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: behavior is I think a mix of both, right, I 343 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: think people have discovered the at home fitness workouts that 344 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: work for them and they know that it's saving them time, money, 345 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: all the things. And then maybe they're sprinkling in an 346 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 4: in person class here and there, but the behavior is 347 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: no longer fully in person. I think moving forward online 348 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: will always. 349 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: Because it can work. And I think, I mean, I 350 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: actually think it's funny. I actually thinks it's really beneficial 351 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: for you as well as the clients, you know, as 352 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: like it's amazing because you do. 353 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: It anywhere, which is beautiful, you know. 354 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that gives you the ability to 355 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: grow the business and actually scale it beautifully, you. 356 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 4: Know well and exactly. But I mean, I think before 357 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: I launched the sculp said yeap. I mean I was 358 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: teaching seven days a week privates and classes and I 359 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: was like, I know it's not sustained to do this, 360 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 4: like how it's not sustainable, and so the platform has 361 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: really allowed me that freedom to grow, to reach more 362 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: people and to grow the. 363 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: So what like what I mean? 364 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: I wonder too if pregnancy is hard for you just 365 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: psychologically because your job is literally moving your body and 366 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: it's obviously not easy and you have to be much 367 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: more careful obviously when you're pregnant. But I think, but 368 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: I do think it's ultimately very helpful because you can 369 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: speak from such an authentic place to women that are 370 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: going through what you're going through, right because you know, yeah. 371 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 4: I keep reminding myself that, like, you know, the days 372 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 4: where I like listen, getting addressed, it's not let alone, 373 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 4: putting spandex on and like being in front of the 374 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: camera and working out, but all in those days, it's 375 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 4: reminding myself that it is so important to me. I 376 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: have a really robust pre imposting a program for my 377 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: first pregnancy, and I'm continuing to add that now. But 378 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 4: just thinking about the women who are showing up to 379 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: work out with me who are also pregnant, and that 380 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: they get to see my body changing, Yes. 381 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: Because who wants to. I'm sorry if you are pregnant 382 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: or post me. 383 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to see six gaps. 384 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: I don't want to like I don't want to see 385 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: I don't want to see like a trainer who looks perfectly. 386 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: I want to see a real woman who is going 387 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: through it myself and so. 388 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: Or at least who has been through it and can 389 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: really speak to it, you know, because I found that 390 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: even having like female doctors when I was having my kids. 391 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: You know, nothing against male doctors, but for me, it 392 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: was so nice to speak to my doctor who had 393 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: been through what I was going through twice, not just 394 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: saying oh, well, this can happen, because it's like, oh 395 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: my god, I have that with my first you know, 396 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sure just knowing you the way I 397 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: know you, I feel like you're constantly thinking about sort 398 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: of your next move a little bit, like I don't 399 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: feel like you sit still very easily, and I think 400 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: you're constantly trying to sort of you know perfect of 401 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: course what you're doing. But I also think of yourself 402 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: as being I think of you as being very humble, 403 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: but also having a real willingness to sort of like 404 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: you know, try the new thing with like you know, 405 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: without I don't know, I. 406 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: Just I love that, Like I kind of feel like 407 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: you're always like to do thame well. 408 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think what's fun is that you know, 409 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: we are not VC backed, we are bootstrapped. But what 410 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: that gives us is the flexibility to really listen to 411 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: our community and put it when we need to try 412 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: new things when we need to and I think for us, 413 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 4: it's really important that we are there for women at 414 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 4: every stage of life. So we just launched a bridal program, 415 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: we have our pre stadal program. We've got some fun 416 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 4: programs coming in the fall to help support women. So 417 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 4: it's really thinking about you know, even this, you know 418 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: this summer we're going to be launching like dormity. 419 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I was going to say, like, 420 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a real struggle there in college 421 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: for these girls. I hear it from a lot of 422 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: my friend's kids a lot. To be honest, our bodies. 423 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: Are changing a lot, and. 424 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my friends of college, it's like Domino's 425 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: it every at every hour. 426 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 427 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: But also I mean, and then you think about the 428 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: toxic diet culture, like conversations of like those nineteen year olds. 429 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: So how can we be there from college all the 430 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: way through every stage of life for women. So thinking 431 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 4: about that programming, and then I think too, just continuing 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: to build out right, like I always think about your 433 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 4: workout doesn't stop at your workout right, like a lifestyle. 434 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: My members are going on, yeah, like it's wellness, chats, 435 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: it's conversation, It's how else can I be there to 436 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 4: support my community and you know, having some fun around 437 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 4: that too. 438 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, we have some exciting things now. 439 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: I know it's okay. I mean, well, it's funny. 440 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: As I talk to you, I have so many thoughts 441 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: and ideas about what you can do and like what 442 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: your community would and I'm sure your thought of all 443 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: of them. 444 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: But it's funny. 445 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it because I think you do 446 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: come from such this three sixty perspective, and also I 447 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: think just given your experience, you know, it is funny 448 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: because I do find that I've been talking to so 449 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: many women who were dancers, their girls are dancers. What 450 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: you do with it after and what it becomes and 451 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: then sort of, you know, just that sort of emotional 452 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: perspective that they sort of take with them into adulthood 453 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: as a dancer. But I do think it's important because 454 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: I think you can mentor a lot of these younger 455 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: girls and speak from this perspective of like I've lived it, 456 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: I've been there, this is what I did with it, 457 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: this is how I pivoted, this is what I've seen, 458 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: this is what I noticed not work, this is you know. 459 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: So did you have a mentor in all this or 460 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: were you just sort of like alone on a ship 461 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: trying to figure this out. 462 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 4: I'm really jealous of the I think, yeah, I really 463 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 4: could have used one growing up. I don't know I 464 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 4: look at like a mentor, but I think of like 465 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 4: the career of like a Jane Fonda, right, like that 466 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 4: is really inspiring to me. But I never had someone 467 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: close to me that was, like I was really able 468 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 4: to bounce ideas off of because also my brain, I'm 469 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: super creative, obviously coming from that dance world, but I 470 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: love marketing. I love business, Like I could talk to 471 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: someone about building businesses all day and and that's really 472 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 4: interesting to me. So I think it's it's I wish 473 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: I had a mentor, but I think, yeah, I think 474 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: exactly what you're saying. 475 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: It's like, how can I be there to be a 476 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 3: light in a very toxic culture that we're all living in. 477 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 4: How can I give give women the skillills to get 478 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: out of that cycle of thinking that they need to 479 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: work out for hours a day and that cycle of 480 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: thinking that they need to be on some rigid diet 481 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 4: and show women how it can actually the freedom on 482 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: the other side that even now a former like over exerciser, 483 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 4: I can work out for ten minutes, go on with 484 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 4: my day and feel amazing. Like that freedom is so 485 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: important for me to share with others because I think 486 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: we're so trained in this world to think that we 487 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 4: have to do so much to feel good and we 488 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: really don't know. 489 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: I think that's probably trying to fill something else, as 490 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, but you know, but I think ultimately, like 491 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: as you build a business and coming from being creative 492 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: person and loving business, like, what have you found to 493 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: be the biggest sort of challenges that I know? For me, 494 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: it's like I trip over myself a lot. And also, 495 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: like you said, like you're building this on your own right, 496 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: You're not funded, you don't have people at the table 497 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: telling you what to do. So like what do you 498 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: find to be sort of the hardest thing? So things 499 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: that like keep you awake at night? 500 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: I think for me, it's even just like my personality, 501 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: Like I'm definitely a perfectionist. I'm a type B person, 502 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: but I'm a perfectionist as well, which is kind of counterintuitive. 503 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 4: I think for me it's actually really working through belief 504 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: systems that unless I am growing the business, growing on 505 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: social I've somehow unless it's like doing one hundred percent 506 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: I've somehow failed, which is all the locally system, I've somehow. 507 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: Told myself, Well, it's all what is a measure of success? 508 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: Right? 509 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: Like what is your measure of success? Right? 510 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 3: Like? 511 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: What does that look like to you? Because it's funny. 512 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of women on here that you 513 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: know very candidly, it's funny. I had someone on the 514 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: other day and she was like, I don't need a 515 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: billion dollars. 516 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: I don't need my mind. 517 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't need to keep going, going, going, And she's like, 518 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't have an addiction to that. She's like, I, actually, 519 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: I am so happy in this place that I'm good 520 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: if I do well where I am here. 521 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, what does that feel like? 522 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 523 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: I would I'm working on in therapy that exact feeling, right, 524 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 4: because I don't think it's toxic because it becomes never 525 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 4: enough and I and then I end up working seven 526 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 4: days a week and not living life. 527 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: So the downside of owning your own business. 528 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: It's in a very entrepreneurial state of mind. It is. 529 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think hiring a team is super important, right. 530 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 4: That allows you to do and grow and have smarter 531 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: people around you. But I do think it's also you know, 532 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: luckily my cousin's amazing at managing people. I'm I'm that's 533 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: a skill I'm definitely still trying to learn and and 534 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 4: hone in on. Yeah, as our team starts to grow, 535 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 4: it's it's just making sure. Also we're all virtual, so 536 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 4: like feeling connected and yet in different cities. I think 537 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: we're all as business owners trying to figure that out too. 538 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: And also I think just continuing to educate. Like I 539 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: don't have a business background, I do have instincts around 540 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 4: marketing and instincts around business, but I am such an 541 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 4: advocate of just continuing to learn and knowing that I'm 542 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: not the smartest part, Like I want to learn from 543 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 4: really smart people. So just continuing those conversations and just 544 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: problem solving, which is as a small business owner every day, 545 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 4: like the amount of fire fires we're putting out every 546 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 4: single day, and just yeah, I think those are things 547 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 4: that like keep me up at night of just like 548 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 4: am I doing the right things? 549 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: Am I doing enough? 550 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: And Yeah, it's interesting to that point because I was 551 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: with someone the other night at a dinner party and 552 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: they're one of the most successful couples I probably know 553 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: and deserve to be so very much. And I was like, 554 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, how are you haven't seen you in like 555 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: a month or so, and he's just like, do you 556 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: ever just get tired of putting fires out? 557 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: Like yes? 558 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I think it's just 559 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: being a CEO, being an entrepreneur, having your own business. 560 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: I think it's just what it is. 561 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: And I talk about that very loudly, because you know, 562 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: it's funny. My sister, while very successful, is very open 563 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: about the fact she never wanted to be a CEO, 564 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: very clear about it. She didn't want to be. She 565 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: didn't want the final say. She didn't want to be 566 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: the final answer. 567 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: She just didn't. And I remember being like, I don't. 568 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: Understand that, and I fully understand it now, like I 569 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: fully understand, and it's not for everybody, and that's so okay, 570 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: but it is. It's interesting and I think, Sowe, what 571 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: are you? Are you speaking openly about what is inside 572 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: your temming right now? 573 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: Like we having are you having another girl? 574 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 575 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you fail. So crappy. 576 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, my boys were so good to me and 577 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: my stomach. Boys are much easier on mom in the stomach. 578 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Wait. 579 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: So that's interesting though, because my last question for you 580 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: is would you encourage or discourage your girls to dance? 581 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 4: My husband and I talk about that all the time. 582 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 4: And you know, he's a big he's a soccer. 583 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: You guys are so. 584 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 4: You're so active, but I you know, my my, you know, 585 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 4: he's reluctant based on my past. But to me, it's 586 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 4: like sports in general, dance and like, I think, it 587 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: doesn't really matter what she's in. It's really making sure 588 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 4: that I as a female, her mother is a constant 589 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: example around food and body image. And but what's I 590 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: mean it transparently petrifies me because I obviously know when 591 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 4: she goes to school, I don't know what she's being 592 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: influenced by and social media and all that. 593 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: So I don't know that it matters if it's I 594 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: think it's any competitive. 595 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: Sport or or art, well, you know, I mean you've 596 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: been I mean I think people put it on dance 597 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: because that's the most known, you know, I think dance, gymnastics, 598 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: ballet specifically, I think is the one that's so out 599 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: there known but interesting about athletes because athletes to me 600 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: seem so like strong and you know, not so like 601 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: slight and frail and teeny and invisible, and you know, 602 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: they just seem more like strong, you know, for lack 603 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: of a better term that you think it's kind of 604 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: the opposite in a way, you know, but interesting. And 605 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: I think that conversation and I do think it's I 606 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: think you're right about that. 607 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: I think it's very much. 608 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's very much what they what they learned 609 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: from mom up to a certain point. And then you 610 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: have not a lot to say, right, we have a 611 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: lot to say, but. 612 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: I will say. 613 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 4: I will say even you know, my mom was an 614 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 4: amazing example. And so the actual my body image and 615 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 4: relationship with food was actually more about it. Yeah, a 616 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 4: whole other podcast that was actually about I was in 617 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: a transition period going from high school to college, and 618 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 4: it was about the control thing that I was sure 619 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 4: it actually yeah, it had nothing to do with with 620 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: my actual body. Was there anything I could control? And 621 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 4: so my mom, I mean, I never saw my mom diet. 622 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: She always talked great about her body like she was. 623 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, I think it's not just you, 624 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: but I think it is interesting, and it's like, you know, 625 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: I talked to so many moms that are like models 626 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: or dancers or all the things, and it's like, would 627 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: you tell them to do it? 628 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: Would you encourage it? Would you discourage it? 629 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: And ultimately you can't. Like, ultimately, they're going to do 630 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: what they want to do and you can't keep them 631 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: from it. Right, So here we go. This parenting thing 632 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: is no joke. And by the way, you listen, boys 633 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: are not me into it. You know, boys are not 634 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: to me into it. They have vanity, they've got all 635 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: the things. I'm already hearing my twelve year old talking 636 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: about six packs and like it's crazy. So I think, 637 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, and as you know, social media exacerbates this. Okay, 638 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: So what happens with Megan and sculpt society in the 639 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: next like five ten years or do not even ever 640 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: think about that and just go let me just crush 641 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: the now and deal with that when it comes. 642 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 4: No, I think in the next I think in termes 643 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 4: of like three years, does feel like I'm a fitness 644 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, I five three feels like okay, like that's 645 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: like beconceptualize. I think, you know, in the next three 646 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 4: years it's it's continuing to be really a disruptive force 647 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 4: in the fitness space, continuing to you know, when people 648 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: think of dance, cardio and sculpt, I really want them 649 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: to think about the sculpt society first, and continuing to 650 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 4: build the community and really hone in and speak to 651 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: the community and listen to what they want and just 652 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 4: really provide valuable content for them. 653 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: And just con I love it. I love what you do. 654 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: I love watching you do it all because you know, 655 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm lucky to know you personally. 656 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: But I also just I don't know. 657 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: I love your energy, I love your authenticity, and I 658 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: love I love what you've built, and I think that 659 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: like I think, just keep continuing obviously to do what 660 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you're doing, but also I think you know, to be honest, 661 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: because I think I think people really love it honestly. 662 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 663 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: Well, and I have to say, Rachel, I am always 664 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 4: so blown away by you. I have been to a 665 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 4: lot of your dinners and brand dinners, and I just 666 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 4: feel like you are such an amazing advocate for other women, 667 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: lifting other women up and encouraging other business owners who 668 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 4: are females. And I just want to say to you, 669 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: like anytime I talk to you. You always give an 670 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 4: amazing advice and I'm just so grateful to have you 671 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 4: in my life and so thankful for I'm. 672 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: So happy to do it. 673 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: And to your earlier point like wishing you had a mentor, 674 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: I think the reason that I am is because I 675 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't have that. And I think it's like I've almost 676 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: sort of in a just wanted to be so the 677 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: opposite and be there for women and just and good women. 678 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: You know that's the thing, because we all know they're 679 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: not everyone is, and you know, so I think I 680 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: think it's for me. I look at it as let's 681 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: take the ones that are good and really want this 682 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: and work really hard and just a really good people 683 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: and deserve to win and deserve this success. And sometimes 684 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: I think we just need to hold each other's hands 685 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah. 686 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: I'm scared too. I'm scared too. No one has this 687 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: totally figured. 688 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 4: Out, you know, no one knows what they're doing, no 689 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 4: one has it figured out. But I will say having 690 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 4: people like you and who can have open and honest 691 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 4: conversations and feel supported, it's it's nice feels you and. 692 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you, and I can't believe you're having 693 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: another girl dropper at my house. 694 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: Anytime, I will take the girls. 695 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: I will take the girls any die carefully, it's your nine, and. 696 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: Then after that they're yours. Amazing, Love you madly, so 697 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 2: thank you for being on Honey. This was so fun. 698 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: It's that time in the show when I answer to 699 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: listener questions. 700 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: So let's see what we have today. 701 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: Okay, first question, This is really funny and one that 702 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: honestly is probably so common and never asked. My fiance's 703 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: mother just sent me a photo of the dress she 704 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: bought for our wedding, and I really dislike it. She 705 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: didn't involve me in her shopping process and usually has 706 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: a good sense of style, So not sure how to 707 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: navigate this one. This is a really tricky one and 708 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: I can usually problem solve pretty much any fashion disaster. However, 709 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: this is a very fine, dangerous line to play with, 710 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: because your relationship with a mother in law is like 711 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: one that you absolutely cannot jeopardize. So what I would 712 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: say is use your husband, use your fiance, go through him, 713 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: have him tell her if he's comfortable that he does 714 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: not love it. If that does not work, and that's 715 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: not an option, I would say that you can say. 716 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 2: Oh, it's really pretty. 717 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 1: What else do you have or are there any other options? 718 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: If there aren't any, then I think you have to 719 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: go through your fiance and if not, you just have 720 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: to not like it and just swallow it and be 721 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: okay with it because you don't have to wear it. 722 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: You're not going to like the pictures and it is 723 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: what it is. But it's not worth starting a war 724 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: at your wedding because that will set the tone for 725 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: the rest of your marriage. So that is my advice. 726 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it's not the answer you actually wanted, 727 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: but that's the real answer, okay. And this is really 728 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: funny question. Do you get nail extensions or do you 729 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: naturally keep your nails long? And the truth is I've 730 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: never had nail extensions, and I had very very short 731 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: nails for about fifteen years because my nails grow so 732 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: long so quickly, and I kept cutting them down, cutting 733 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: them down, cutting them down, and over the pandemic, I decided, 734 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: let me just grow them and see how long they'll 735 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: actually grow. And ever since then, I've had long nails 736 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 1: and it's so much fun. I love I love tapping 737 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: them on my computer. And it's nice when I'm sort 738 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: of anxious, I sort of play with them. But it's 739 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: really fun, especially given you know the Haley Beber nail 740 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: trends of it all makes it more fun. I don't 741 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: believe in nail extensions only because they break my nails, 742 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: like that sort of treatment on my nails really damages them. 743 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: But don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode. 744 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: All you have to do is dm us your questions 745 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: to at Climbing and hails Pod on Instagram and I 746 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: just might answer them. Want my style advice from season 747 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: to season? That's exactly what you'll get when you sign 748 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: up for my membership Caretor. 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I still don't know 758 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: how she does it all. She's taking a dance class 759 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: in front of people, she's teaching, she's doing all of 760 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: the things. She's constantly reinventing her workouts and trying to 761 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: really make a very safe place for women of everybody type, shape, pregnant, 762 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: pre post during all of the things. But I think 763 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: the fact that she created this incredible platform and community 764 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: is very, very impressive, and moved across the country and 765 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: is now pregnant with her second child. 766 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 2: She's just very impressive. And I love that we talked about, you. 767 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Know, p fears and raising girls, and I think just 768 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: the struggles we have as girls in general with body 769 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: image and everything else kept it pretty real on this one. 770 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: So I hope you learned a lot. 771 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: If you want more Climbing and Heels content, follow me 772 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: on at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing and Heels pod 773 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: on Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, and 774 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: all things cure Tor and I will see you next week.