1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 2: Harry was going into the city to meet with his 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: management and agent about not doing so many of these 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: benefit shows, and that night he was going to do 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: a benefit show. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: So I'm buzz night and welcome to the Taking a 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: Walk Podcast. Now check us out on Apple or Spotify 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: or iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts. Do follow us, 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: leave us a review, leave us a rating, tell us 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: how we're doing. We'd love to be able to hear 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: from you, and we love talking to real people who've 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: got real stories to tell on the Taking a Walk Podcast. 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: On this episode, Rick Korn is our guest. He's an 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: OSCAR and Emmy nominated filmmaker. He's dedicated his career to 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: creating socially conscious documentaries that truly make a difference. His 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: latest work, Cats in the Cradle, The Song That Changed 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: Our Lives, exploring the profound and lasting impact of Harry 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: Chapin's iconic song Cats in the Cradle. Now do check 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: out on the Music Save Me Podcast. Our host Lynn 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: Hoffman has a great episode also focused on this documentary, 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: where she talks with Darryl Run, dmc McDaniels, and also 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: d Snyder. Remember him from Twisted's sister fame. So that's 23 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: a great companion episode to this particular episode with Rick Korn. 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: We'll talk to Rick next on Taking a Walk. 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Well, Rick Corn, welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: It's so nice to have you on. 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be on. 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: We have a lot to unpack. So before we unpack 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: everything about your new documentary, and I want to talk 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: about some of your past work as well, we like 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: to open up the Taking a Walk Podcast with like 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: a little ice breaker question. It's the Okay, who would 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: you take a walk with? And where would you take 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: that walk. 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to mention my mom first, but I'll put 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: that aside. I think the person come on now, No, 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: that's two of an obvious one. But it's interesting because 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: my mother died in two thousand and four and I 40 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: often think about, boy, wouldn't be great to just dollar up, 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, call her up, And so that that was 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: my first reaction. The second reaction that I have is 43 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: I was creative partners with a gentleman by the name 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: of Carl Perkins, who wrote the song Blue Sweight Shoes, 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: part of the Million Dollar Quartet Uh, and we did 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: some really great things together that really changed my career 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: and changed my viewpoint on a lot of things. So 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: I would have to say Carl. Then the second person 49 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: who I never met but I always wanted to do 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: a documentary on was Roberto Clemente. And I'm a Yankee fan, 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: so it's not like I was a Pittsburgh Pirate fan 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: or anything, but he was a He was a lot 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: like Harry, you know, he was the baseball version of 54 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 2: Airy that would be a great, great person to have known. 55 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: Heck of a player, and he had one of maybe 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: the greatest throwing arm as a right fielder, like ever 57 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: right Like I remember seeing him wind up to throw 58 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: somebody out who was advancing from second to third or 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: you know, he just was just a cannon. 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. And I witnessed that at Chase Stadium when 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: they played the Mets, and I was a big Clementy fan, 62 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: and I saw him throw out Cleon Jones who was 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: running from first base to home on a ball in 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: the gap, and he picks up the ball and he's 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: at the like three seventy five mark a frozer from 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: there all the way to home plate. It was the 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: most amazing thing I've ever seen. But anyway, we digressed. 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: But the other thing about Roberto Cometti that makes it 69 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: so uh so fascinating is is his what he did 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: for people who were hungry and people in his country. 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: And he's quite quite an amazing person. 72 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Overall, oh incredible, a humanitarian. And we didn't grow up 73 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: too far away from each other. I grew up in Stanford, Connecticut, 74 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: so we were you were, you know, across across the 75 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: water there a bit. Yeah, so you became first connected, 76 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: I'm guessing with with music from your your time living 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: in Long Island and absorbing it all that was coming 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: out of New York City. And I'm sure the radio 79 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: was part of that as well, wasn't it. Oh? 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely? You know, back in our day, the radio station was. 81 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: W n W. I worked, I was privileged to work 82 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: part time there on the weekends. 83 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. That it was just a great station back and 84 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: that's where you heard you know, the Olmen Brothers, uh 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: and you know the you know the you know the 86 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: Beatles of course when they started, the Rolling Stones and 87 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: the Who and you know all the great amazing music 88 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: they came through New York. It came through you know, 89 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: w n W and they had great DJs and of 90 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: course the Hungerthon launched on w N E W back 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: in the day for the Why Hunger hungerth On, so 92 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: they were there was that connection and they started every 93 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving of when they started the hungerth On with Arlow 94 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: Guthries Alice's Restaurant. 95 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: You remember that, of course I do, Yeah, I do, 96 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: and I you know Hungerthon. You know, my responsibility as 97 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: a weekend warrior there was really to you know, be 98 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 3: that conduit to Pete for Natal and the rest of 99 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: the staff that was you know, most many times they'd 100 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: be over at the United Nations there with Father Bill 101 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: ayres Y right, and so it I reflect on that 102 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: time often and it really leads me to the new 103 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: documentary about Harry Chapin because and I think about Harry 104 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: and you know, the Hunger thun because it matters more 105 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: now than ever for what he did and what people 106 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: need to know that Harry Chapin did. 107 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you know, right now. What is amazing about 108 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: what Harry and Bill started fifty years ago, this is 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of Why Hunger is that it it 110 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: is more important than ever. I was on the phone 111 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: with those folks yesterday and they've seen a three hundred 112 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: and fifty percent increase in the Hunger hotline calls. There's 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: an enormous need right now. When Harry and Bill started 114 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: Why Hunger, that there were about twenty million people in 115 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: the United States that were food insecure. Going into twenty 116 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: twenty five, there were fifty million, and I heard or 117 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: bread numbers that by two thousand. By the end of 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, we can look at close to one 119 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: hundred million people that are food insecure. That you know, 120 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: we need to rely on the food banks and need 121 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 2: to rely on food assistance. And unfortunately, in this cool 122 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: world right now, it's worse than ever and it's the 123 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: organizations that are making a difference today. They're on the 124 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: front lines of this problem. Snap programs are being cut, 125 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: Usaid has been cut. They work in twenty four countries 126 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: around the world. But what is amazing, and I think 127 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: this gets back to the film a little bit, because 128 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: I do feel if there was no Cats in the Cradle, 129 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: there wouldn't have been a hy Hunger because it gave 130 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Harry the platform, Harry en Bill the platform to create 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: these charities Why Hunger in them Long Island Cares and 132 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: so the fact that fifty years later these organizations are 133 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: more relevant, sadly more relevant than ever is a testament 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: to the brilliance of the idea. 135 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: And he was so early, maybe the earliest. But I 136 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: could debate that a little bit about Harry because I 137 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: think John Lennon, you remember, he was doing the work 138 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: for the hospital. 139 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: It was that Willowbrook, well Willobrook was the hospital on 140 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 4: Long Island, that it was a horrible situation and it 141 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 4: was the reporter. 142 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 3: Was aah, that's right. So I mean John early into 143 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: cause related from you know, greater good from the heart activity. 144 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: But in thinking about over the years Harry J. Chapin's legacy, 145 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: I think he really was the first that really used 146 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: that platform, which then would become so much bigger from 147 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: other artists. Obviously the you know We Are the World 148 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: and you know just you know, other great work that 149 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: other folks did, But Harry truly was a trailblazer. 150 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: He was Can Reagan said in her first film they 151 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: would have and I think we kind of touched upon 152 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: it in this film. There wouldn't have been We Are 153 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: in the World USA for Africa if it wasn't for Harry. 154 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: Harry inspired him, and you know Ken Craigan and Harry 155 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: Belafonte and you know, all of those folks back then, 156 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: Kenny Rodgers and who carried on Harry's legacy of activism. 157 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: Where Harry was different than everyone else is Harry didn't 158 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: have any pro He didn't, you know, unlike Dylan who 159 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: had protest songs, and Joan Baez, you know, and Pete 160 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: Seeger and you know kind of had that protest song mentality, 161 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: Harry didn't have many protest songs. I guess. Sniper was 162 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: really a brilliant song about the shooter from Texas, A 163 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: and M. Really in that song he touched on the 164 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: mental illness of it all, which was quite brilliant. But 165 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: other than that he did the work. Harry went out 166 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: and spent insanely too much time, which really hurt his career, 167 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: you know, as he was reaching the point of his death. 168 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: In fact, the day he died, he was heading into 169 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: New York City to meet with his stepbrother who was 170 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: part of Ken Craigan's management team and his agent, and 171 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: they were going to read him the Riot Act because 172 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: he was spending too much time on hunger and poverty 173 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: in wy Hunger and not enough time on his career. 174 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Harry wasn't going to listen to them, but it was 175 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: that faithful day, that's what he was going to do. 176 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: He was then he was then going into the city 177 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: to meet with his management and agent about not doing 178 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: so many of these benefit shows, and that night he 179 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: was going to do a benefit show. So Harry wasn't 180 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: going to listen. He was just so passionate and maybe 181 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: to the point of obsession. It's not a good business 182 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: model for sure. 183 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: Person I can't leave out when I think of the 184 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: cause related activities is obviously George Harrison with Bangladesh. And 185 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: I'm sure you remember, but I certainly remember because I 186 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: was at any WFM when the Hunger thon was going on, 187 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: and I picked up the phone because I was taking 188 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: the celebrity calls to hook them up with Bill Ayers 189 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: and Deep Fornatale there at the un and they're on 190 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: the line with the distant, you know, overseas audible sound 191 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: of a phone call was George Harrison. And George ended 192 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: up doing the interview actually with I think Pete and 193 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: Dave Herman. So you know, we can't leave George out 194 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: in this equation. But it's it's so interesting thinking about 195 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: how you know, George Harrison calls and in tribute to 196 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: Harry's work and his mission, Well, here's. 197 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: The interesting and we point this out in our first film, 198 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: went it out do something. Harry and Bill were inspired 199 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: by the concert for Bangladesh. That's what inspired them to 200 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: start Y Hunger and they tried to do a concert 201 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: at the UN and it never happened. And Harry and 202 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: Bill on Bill's radio show On This Rock, which was 203 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: a ABC radio show pl right w P eventually went 204 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: to PLJ, but at this point in time in the seventies, 205 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: he was on ABC Radio that eventually became PLJ, but 206 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: so it was a nationwide show. And they pointed out 207 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: that Harry points out in the film that you can't 208 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: make this happen with their failure of the UN concert, 209 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: which they modeled after the Bangladesh concert. You can't make 210 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: this work with just one concert, or two concerts or 211 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: three concerts. This is a commitment. You have to build 212 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: an organization. And you hear, you know, through that radio episode, 213 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: how they've started to formulate what became Y Hunger. What's 214 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,239 Speaker 2: amazing about again by Hunger I'm doing the fiftieth anniversary 215 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: hung Than Anniversary Concert in Asbury Park, New Jersey on 216 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: December fourteenth, and it's an amazing prow of folks. Many 217 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: are new to why hunger many or not been doing 218 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: it for been part of it for forty years. So 219 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: here we are later, fifty years later, now doing the 220 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: concert that we hope will raise a lot of money 221 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: because we're in this incredible time of you know, hunger 222 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: and poverty around the world. 223 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: How long did it take you to work on and 224 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: finish this documentary? 225 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: This was incredibly fast, and it was fast because of 226 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: two reasons. The first is we did a Cat's in 227 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: the Cradle scene in the first in the first film, 228 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: which kind of focused on the pop culture nature of it. 229 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: You know, we use a lot of the song is 230 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: used in a lot of commercials and a lot of 231 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: TV shows, and it was a fun scene to do. 232 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: And after my partner s A. Baron and I worked 233 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: on our film of Father's Promise, we got together with 234 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: Jason Chapin and said, you know, I think there's a 235 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: film here with Cats in the Cradle. You know, it 236 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: bugged me from the time we did that scene. My 237 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: partner and I would say, as we're editing, he says, 238 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: you know, there's just there's a documentary just in that 239 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: one song and the influence it had, and the power 240 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: of a song to change people, to educate people, enlighten them. 241 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: And then the other side of that, as I mentioned, 242 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: is that it gave them the platform to now, you know, 243 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: use that song to save lives for all these years. 244 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: So we said, I don't know, is it a short film, 245 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: is it a you know, a feature documentary. And as 246 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: we got into it more and more we realized, no, this, 247 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: this is this is an important story and and a 248 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: fun story. So the other part of it is that 249 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: when sometimes when you're in the creative flow as we were, 250 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: we we knew the topic so well that we were 251 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: able to kind of edit this and create this much 252 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: quicker than a film for a lot less money because 253 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: the film supports Harry's chares, so we wanted to keep 254 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: you know, the cost down. All the money was raised 255 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: through donations. We have no investors in the film. It 256 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: was just such a play. It was just so much 257 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: fun creatively working on this film that it moved quickly. 258 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: So I would say we were done with a rough 259 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: cut of the film and less than a year. We 260 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: delivered it eight months ago to our distributor, so it 261 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: didn't take us long at all. It was just everything flowed. 262 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: It just you know, it's like you hear music artists 263 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: talk about that their big hit song which took you know, 264 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: three minutes to create, versus another song that took months 265 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: and years to create. So that this was our three 266 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: minute song. 267 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: That's fantastic because, as I'm sure you know better than I, 268 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: the highway is littered with projects like this that take 269 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: forever and sometimes never you know, see the light of day, 270 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: you know. 271 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Right, that's right. I mean, Went in Doubt took us 272 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: five years, and my last film, A Father's Promise, took 273 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: ten years because the subject matter. You know, when we 274 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: met Mark, it was right after Sandy Hook happened, and 275 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: as a professional musician and he wasn't going to play 276 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: music again. He couldn't do it, and so it took 277 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: time to kind of follow that that journey back to music, healing, 278 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: power music, and that's what the film is about. 279 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 280 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 281 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: You talk to an incredibly interesting group of people, very diverse. 282 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 3: Talk about some of the folks that folks who see 283 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: the documentary we'll get to see that are part of 284 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: this telling this story. 285 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: Sure, on the celebrity side, Billy Joel and I, Billy 286 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: Joel and Judy Collins, who's in the film. I really 287 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: had them in there because I wanted them to both 288 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: define the writing of the song, you know, kind of 289 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: that creative process and how Harry created these story songs, 290 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: you know, which were incredible, and how it influenced them. 291 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: Billy was influenced by Harry. Judy is a song hunter. 292 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: She writes her own songs, but you know, she seeked 293 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: out the great writers, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, you know, 294 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: Leonard Cohen, Harry Chapin, you know, and so to get 295 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: her perspective was great. D Snyder was a blast because 296 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: of he is so real, so genuine, and up to 297 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: us about his relationship with his father that I didn't expect. 298 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: And you know, he started off the conversation with I 299 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: hate acoustic music, and I said to myself, Oh, this 300 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: is gonna be a tough one. And he couldn't be 301 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: the first of all, he pulls up in a muscle 302 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: car that has no top to it. Like he pulls 303 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: up in exactly what you would expect d. Snyder to 304 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: pull up in, right, I don't remember. I think it 305 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: was like a bright red and uh. And we go 306 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: and we kind of greet him outside. No cameras. He 307 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: gets out of the car. He can't lock his doors, 308 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: so he takes the steering wheel out of it and 309 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: he carries the steering wheel into the house so no 310 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: one could steal the car. That is D and that's 311 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: D and so that was great. And him being from 312 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: Long Island and I'm from Long Island and we're basically 313 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: the same age. It made it really easy. And he 314 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: and he opened up about his dad, you know, in 315 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: his relationship with his father and his parents overall, and 316 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: the fact that they were in depression babies, and his 317 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: father was a veteran and you know, wanted him to 318 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: be a baseball player. Uh and uh, he had the 319 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: ability to be a great baseball player. He decided to 320 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: paint his face and become twisted sister. 321 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, and he used to come out of his shell, 322 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: don't you think, Yeah he does. 323 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: He's great. He was great, easy interviewed, you know, easy 324 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: then the and and d m C as well, you 325 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: know that was that was great because he's so passionate 326 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: about the song and and he you know, created his 327 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: own version of the song that he did with Sarah McLaughlin. 328 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: That he took his life story and put it into 329 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: the all and then kept the cats in the grade 330 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: of the Harry chapin part parts of it. 331 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: Uh. 332 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: And and he's so passionate and such a great champion 333 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: of why hunger and really knows the topic well in 334 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: this film, you know, just hearing his story about you know, 335 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: how down and out he was, and you know, meeting 336 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: Sarah McLaughlin and then coming up with the idea of 337 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 2: his favorite Sonkats in the Cradle. And so you know, 338 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: DFC a special Daryl is a special person and a 339 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: great interview and you know, both d both D's brought 340 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: so much energy to this film and they made it 341 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: so much more enjoyable and you know, unpredictable. 342 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, two of the two of the best people, uh, 343 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: without questioning, amazing parts, amazing storytellers, very generous. Somebody told me, 344 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if you can confirm this is there 345 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 3: somewhere floating around in the universe. A version that DEDE. 346 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: Snyder and Daryl McDaniels d did of Cats in the Cradle. 347 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Not that we were able to find out. 348 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 349 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: Darryl and Jen Chapin did a version of Cats in 350 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: the Cradle that apparently was was great, but no one 351 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: filmed it, so unfortunately, Uh it did happen. But but 352 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Pat benattar it was great, and Pat just this past 353 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 2: year got the Harry Chapin Humanitarian Award given to her 354 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: by Why Hunger. Harry changed her life in that Harry 355 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: and Tom Chapin h were you know, met her when 356 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: she was doing show songs, and Harry was the one 357 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: that said, hey, you need to roughen up your voice 358 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: a little bit and do rock and roll, and you know, 359 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: she met her husband and the rest of his history. 360 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: The amazing thing about all of these interviews, and every 361 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: one of them were great, all of those people who 362 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: opened up about their lives. And that's the thing you 363 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: find about this song in this film is that every 364 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: the song is about all of us, you know, and 365 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: the film follows in that direction, But it's about all 366 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: of us. All of us have a parental experience one 367 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: way or another. Even if your father or your mother 368 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: wasn't in your life, it still affects you. We don't 369 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: get heavy on things at all in this film, but 370 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: we do cover, you know, generational trauma, which really explains 371 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: the cats in the Cradle father and son dynamic. We 372 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: covered that in the film. But other than that, it's 373 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: just everyone's real reaction. The YouTube reaction videos that are great. 374 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 2: You know, these people who are in their twenties and 375 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: thirties and younger who are hearing the song for the 376 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: first time, and you see the fact that the song 377 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: has on them. It's amazing. You know, it's a perfectly 378 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 2: written song in that respect that it can be this 379 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: multi generational, multicultural song. 380 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: Harry was known for these great narrative songs that told 381 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: these complete stories. What do you think was really what 382 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: made him so distinctive as a songwriter. 383 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: I think in every one of his songs, there's a 384 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: lot of truth in there. There's a lot of truth 385 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: about him. It's not all about him. If you look 386 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: at Taxi, you know it's partially true. He never drove 387 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: a taxi. He did get a taxi medallion, but never 388 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: drove a taxi. Because his songs are relatable, you know, 389 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: his stories are us. You know, Harry points out in 390 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: this film he's the father and cats in the Cradle, 391 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: He's mister Tanner, He's the person on the bus when bananas. 392 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: You know, that's who he is. WLD, you know, he's 393 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: the disc jockey. I think what makes it connect is 394 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: he's so human. You know, he writes about humans and 395 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: his stories are relatable because there's a piece of all 396 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: of us in his stories and in many movies. You know, 397 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: he was a filmmaker. He was an Academy Award winning filmmaker, 398 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: documentary filmmaker. 399 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: So talk about what's going to be next for the documentary, 400 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: the circuit and the distribution that you'll go through. 401 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: The film right now is available on Amazon, Amazon Prime 402 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: or regular Amazon. It's available on Apple TV and iTunes 403 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: and Fandengo, and there's more being added so anyone in 404 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: the country in North America can see the film. We're 405 00:26:52,119 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: doing a major Hungerthon concert in on December fourteenth. Our 406 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: house Band is run by Mark Ribbler Love Them Yeah. Mark, 407 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: for those who don't know, is the music director for 408 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: Stephen Van's Aunt's Disciples of Soul and Our house Band 409 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: is a combination of the Disciple of Souls in the 410 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 2: East Street Band. We have younger groups, young the Giant, 411 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: who are fantastic. Yola who is a multi Grammy nominated 412 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: incredibly powerful voice. She's also an actress who was in 413 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: the last Elvis movie. She's great. We have Oh the 414 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: Dixie Dregs, who are coming out of retirement that a 415 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: lot of us older folks will remember. Steve Morse who 416 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: people might know from Black Sabbath and Kansas. His group 417 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: his music is the Dixie Driggs, who are amazing. The 418 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: original band with the Eddy Fox and my good friend 419 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: who I grew up with among Alan Rob Morgenstein on drums, 420 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 2: one of the great drummers in the world. We've got 421 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: Randy Moore who's in the film you used to write with. 422 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: Carl Perkins, who does an amazing version of Kats in 423 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: the Cradle and he's going to do that with Amy 424 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: Helm at the concert. We have them and the Smith 425 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: Rereens are going to be there, The smither Reenes. I 426 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: don't want to miss any Danny Clutch is going to 427 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: join us as well. We're doing a VIP party at 428 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: his h We're doing a summit actually at his gallery 429 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: in Hasbury. Which is across from the Stone Pony where 430 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: we're doing the show. That same day we're going to 431 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: do a artist summit on hunger and poverty. And then 432 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: there was a bunch of artists that will be surprised 433 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: as on the Jersey. 434 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: Sure yeah, I'll bet my god. What a great lineup. 435 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: It's so amazing. So what in closing, what do you 436 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: hope happens after people watch this film? 437 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: I think a couple of important things in this film. 438 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: And you know, it's a song about a father and son, 439 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: but it really relates to a mom these days as well. 440 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: You know, when Sandy wrote those lyrics, it was about 441 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: her husband's father and his relationship. In those days, you know, 442 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: the wife stayed home and the dad went to work. 443 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: In today's world, it's about both mom and dad going 444 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: to work. So mom is facing those same issues of 445 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: I got to work, but I also want to spend 446 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: more time with my kids. And I want people to 447 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: get out of this film that we can learn something. 448 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: I want them to see that we're all the same 449 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: wile all facing the same dilemmas. I want them to 450 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: learn that time is short and to make the best 451 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: of it with your kids and your family and your grandkids, 452 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: and I think that's the most important thing. I think 453 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: that ultimately is the feeling you get out of this 454 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: film is that don't waste any time. Now is the. 455 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: Time, amazing work, your time together, your passions and your 456 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: core values and your core beliefs, and you're trying to 457 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: make a difference. Congrats on all your work. When in doubt, 458 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: do something a father's promise and Cats in the Cradle 459 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: that song that changed our lives. Rickcorn, It's really been 460 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: an honor to speak with you, and I really appreciate 461 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: all that you're doing and giving and making us never 462 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: forget the great Harry Chapin. 463 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, Buzz. 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