1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, This is 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Peter Schreger and you're listening to the Season with Peter Schreger. 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: We are in the middle of July right now, which 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: is the NFL's quote unquote slow season. But if you 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: follow the league and you love the game like I do, 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: you know there is no days off when it comes 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: to an NFL season. This podcast has been a blast 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: this summer because we're getting coaches and gms in their 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: homes and we're getting them at their vacation houses that 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: we're getting them maybe a little bit off the clock, 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: which means they can be a little looser than they 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: might usually be. I say this with great confidence. I 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: don't think I've enjoyed a podcast more than the conversation 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: you're about to listen to since we've begun doing this 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: thing back last September. This is Brad Holmes, the manager 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: of the Detroit Lions, with no further ado, really excited 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: about this guest and trying to get him on for 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and we got him, and I'm excited, 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: and it's right before the start of training camp, so 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's fresh as a daisy. This is the 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions general manager, mister Brad Holmes. Brad, what's up man? 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: How you doing man? Thanks for having me. Glad we'll 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: be able to finally get this together. I hope you 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: to think I. 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Waste No, you know what, it's funny because this is 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: like the off season, but it's also the only time 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: that people can get away. So it's yes, I'd love 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: to do your podcast, but I also have a family. 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: I'd like to see you. 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's and you know, really like during the season. 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: I know we started talking about during the season, and 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: the season is probably the most like normal, lies regimented 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: part of the whole year because you kind of know 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. But when the season ends, that's when 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: it gets like crazy crazy and then we actually we 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: do quite a bit after the draft preparing for the 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: upcoming year. So but you know, fresh off vacation, Uh, 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: you know, got a good little week at home and uh, 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: it's a great time. Man. 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a good segue. So take us through, 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: and you are a general manager, what is the schedule 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: because I think most people think, all right, draft and 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: then kick your feet up and then free agency, you know, 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: but it's really year round. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. Man. You know, you have a 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: training camp and you go through that and you you 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: know a lot of rods reduction stuff. But after training camp, 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, I say, the season. Everybody thinks like the 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: season is like that's the basest part, because it's the 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: football season. But from a GM standpoint, it's actually probably 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: the most regiment a part because you pretty much know, okay, 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: you got game day. Game day is going to bring 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: all your stress and emotions. And but after game day, 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: Mondays you're dealing with you know, injuries and medical stuff. 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: And then Tuesdays you're dealing with you know, roster management 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: and getting all your moves done. And then the week 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: starts and actually we actually kind of devote a lot 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: of that time for draft prep actually, so because you 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: kind of have the time. Yeah, and then you kind 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: of just operate normally. But then after the season ends, 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: and that's when you're like full throttle, like you know, 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: you're head straight into you're balancing free agency and draft 64 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: at the same time, and then you're going all the 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: way up to free agency so that's probably the most 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: hectic time. It's pre free agency because you're kind of 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: doing both, and then once free agency kind of like 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: that second or third wave kind of hits, you can 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: start downing more so towards straight draft, and then you know, 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: it's kind of just full throttle through the draft. 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Because we're heading into the twenty twenty three season and 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: we're still just a couple of months removed. I want 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: to go back to that first round for you guys 74 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: in the Detroit Lions. We're going to get into your 75 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: story in a second, but I feel like just the 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: excitement about the Lions is real, and you've read all 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: the headlines. I'm sure you've blocked as many headlin you 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: can't out about how this is like the hot team 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: in the NFC. But the draft, you know, right in 80 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the days leading up to the draft, I had a 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: couple of birdies in my ear man, like I think 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs might go earlier than the mock drafts are saying, 83 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: and another one saying he might go before be Jon Robinson. 84 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: Sure enough, you guys, you get him early top fifteen, 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: and everyone around like, oh, I want a shot. But 86 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: like people that I was tart to say, that's not 87 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: such a shock. That's about where he was slated. When 88 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: did you fall in love with Jamir Gives and what 89 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: did you love about him? 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: Man, it's funny that she said you heard that about 91 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: him going at early because I was sitting here thinking, uh, 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: I was like, nobody's going to do this. And then 93 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: and then after we picked them, and I heard all 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: these other gentlemen. 95 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what we wanted. 96 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, I'm glad you picked them. He wasn't 97 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: gonna make it. But no, I first fell in love 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: with him. Obviously, I didn't know about him that much. 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: Like it's at Georgia Tech year before. So I went 100 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: to Texas Alabama game earlier in the year and I 101 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 2: kind of got tipped off about him, like right before 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: the start of the game. Man, I was like, okay, 103 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: and I saw his body type and like this I 104 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: was intriguing. And then I kind of saw what he 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: was doing in both phases. Yeah, I mean he can 106 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: run it, but when he was doing as a receiver 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: and the explosiveness and everything about him, and we just 108 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: kept doing work on him and like I said, kind 109 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: of do some draft prep during the season and kept 110 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: doing work on him, and that was just kind of 111 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: it for me. I was like, this guy's uh and 112 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: he's he's a weapon. He's a weapon. And you know, 113 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: we talked about all the running backs going in the 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: first round and all that kind of stuff. You know, 115 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: I always say, like, if he's a weapon, then forget 116 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: the RBS. 117 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: That's like, that's how that's that's. 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: What he is. Like, that's like he we thought he 119 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: was a multi phase, elite explosive position list weapon and 120 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: you know he was a special player. You know, you 121 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: have some you have to combine to confirm some things, 122 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: you know, but he ran what I thought he was 123 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: gonna run. And you know, all the testing and his 124 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: workouts and we're just really excited about him. I think 125 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: you're gonna he's gonna bring another dimension to our offense. 126 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: That's as good as we were offensively last year, you know, 127 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: I think something even better this year. But bottom line 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: this is you just got to get the guys that 129 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: you want. And I kind of look at especially this 130 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: past draft. You know, everybody was saying like this is 131 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: a different draft, is a different draft. Well, let's call 132 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: it what it is. It just wasn't as strong of 133 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: a draft as it normally has been. 134 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: And by that you mean blue chip guys top twenty yeah, yeah. 135 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, in a normal year you had 136 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 2: like true first round talent players, you might have about 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen guys. I really haven't seen any higher 138 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: than twenty in all the years that I've been doing it. 139 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: This is we ended up with fourteen guys, and that 140 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: was at the very end. It was less than that 141 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: at one point, Like at one point we had like 142 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: nine or ten, but Jamiro was always one of those guys. 143 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: So I just looked at it as like, damn, look, 144 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: let's just get the who the hell we want and 145 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: let's get the hell out of there and let's see 146 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: you know, like like like one of my favorite movies 147 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: is Training Yeah, like me and my dad one of 148 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: me and my dad's favorite movie. And uh, there was 149 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: a scene in Training Day where have yeah, so like 150 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: it was one of the scenes where you know, he 151 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: goes into this you know, the rough area, and he 152 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: goes to his lady's house and takes his money and 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: then he goes out and him and even Hawker trying 154 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: to get out of the neighborhood and the girl comes 155 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: out there and rats him out and says, hey, this 156 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: guy just took our money. And then Ze just send 157 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: his shootout and he's just shooting out trying to get 158 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: out of the neighborhood, and he's basically shooting his way 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: out of there. And I was like that drafts kind. 160 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Of get me out of. 161 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Get get who we want, and just shoot our way 162 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: out of here and get on out of there. And uh, 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: we were just ecstatic about how the whole thing went. 164 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: Would you say that you and Dan Campbell are Jay 165 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Quoy and Alonso Harris in that film? Would you put. 166 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: You know? I don't, I don't want to have that, 167 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: but I will say we we work as a pair 168 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: very very well. We partner very very well. You know. Again, 169 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people know now that we 170 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: didn't really know each other that much before we got hired, 171 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: But always give so much credit to Sheila and Rod 172 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: Wood and Chris Bilman and Mike dis and everybody was 173 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: involved in that interview process of that. I guess that 174 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: they just knew that, you know, we would pair so 175 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: so well. And he's a joy to work with and 176 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: he's a hell of a coach. 177 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: He's cool and he's got a great personality, and those 178 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: players really rallied around him, especially in the second half 179 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: of the season. You look at that running backs room, 180 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: obviously it's it's Gibbs and now it's Montgomery. Last year 181 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: you had something fun with Williams and Swift. You know, 182 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: everyone might say the value of the positions devalued and 183 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about it. That's a pretty 184 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: big change for the running backs room. Considering you guys 185 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: were so red hot at the end of the season. 186 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: You feel good about where you guys are at with 187 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: that position group. 188 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean overall, when you look at it just systematically, 189 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: I do think that we'll be better offensively. And that's 190 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: no knock on the contributions that that those other two 191 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: guys gave us, because Swift is a dynamic player and Jamal, 192 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: you know, he was a great leader for us and 193 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: he did he did so much for us. He had 194 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: a great season, awesome touchdowns. You know. Yeah, I mean, 195 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: but what we do think that Montgomery, You know, I 196 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: think we make Montgomery and Jamal are different backs. You know, 197 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: Montgomery does a little bit more in the passing game, uh, 198 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: And you know, adding being able to add Gibbs. You know, 199 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: I think he just he's so dynamic as a receiver. 200 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: And look, he's a home run hitter as a running back. 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: I mean that's the easy part. But what he does 202 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: as a receiver, I mean he runs routes like I 203 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: mean like a receiver. Is that right? 204 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: Because I you know, you get all this Alabama talent 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: and then here's another one and it's like, no, this 206 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: one's special and has his own skill set that maybe 207 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: because he's only there one year, didn't get the same 208 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: hype as the other guys. 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just different. He was just different. And 210 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: you know, going through that process, I was like, man, 211 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: how many guys have I seen that was like equally 212 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: as effective? You know, Like when I first got with 213 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: the Rams in two thousand and three, Marshall Fulk was 214 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: still there and I was a huge Marshall Faulk guy 215 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: just coming in and so just kind of seeing what 216 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: he does in both phases, and then just from a 217 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: scouting standpoint, when Christian McCaffrey came out, he was like 218 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: the last guy. I was like, holy cow, like this guy, 219 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: I can run routes like a slot receiver. But also 220 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: run it, and so you start getting reminders of you know, 221 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: some of those players. I'm not sitting here those players, 222 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: but you know, just a special weapon like that, just 223 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: you know, we have a lot of excitement otism. 224 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the offensive coordinator story is pretty 225 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: cool too. Had opportunities to interview for other head coaching 226 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: jobs and kind of withdrew his name and said, I'm 227 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: good here in Detroit with this group. Take us through 228 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: that decision from Ben Johnson and what that meant in 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: the organization as a whole man. 230 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: That was huge, And you know, look at the end 231 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: of the day, Look, it's it's hard to keep the 232 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: good ones, you know, I mean, eventually the cat gets 233 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: out the bag and you know there's there's just no hiding. 234 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: But you know then, you know, you saw it right 235 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: out the gate. You know, even when he was a 236 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: tight ends coach, and you know obviously Dan, you know, 237 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: had had prior experience with him, but you know, when 238 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: things got rough in that twenty one season and we 239 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: had to make that change from Anthony Lynn and you know, 240 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: Ben basically became the passing game coordinator basically, but Dan 241 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: was called in plays and Dan plays before and and 242 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: Dan was just doing a great job and just having 243 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: fun with but Ben just added this other element was 244 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: just like, Wow, this dude's crazy. But you know that 245 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: that's another component of when I when you asked you 246 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: a question about the running backs about and I said, 247 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: I think will be better offensively this year as good 248 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: as you were last year. It's just that you know, 249 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: Ben going into his second year as THEOC, like I 250 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: think last year he showed everybody like I can do this, 251 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: like I'm legit, but going you know, having the experience 252 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: under his belt going into year two, having shared with 253 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: him going in year two, and then all the other 254 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: components that we had in creating in the draft. That's 255 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: why I feel better about William to be better. 256 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: Real quick, a couple more things Lions related, then we're 257 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: going to get more into your story. The Jack Campbell 258 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: picked that was one where if Gibbs was like okay Campbell, 259 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: that left people slack jawed and just being like, wait, 260 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,479 Speaker 1: what not not a first round mock draft guy whatsoever? 261 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: And yet I saw Jack Campbell, I turned to my 262 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: co host on nfn R like, well, that's Chris Spielman 263 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: just walking through the door again. That's what I who, 264 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: of course works in your organization and has a great role. 265 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: But a linebacker another position not considered necessarily the same 266 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: as pass rusher, offensive tackle or quarterback in this league. 267 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: And you guys, you liked them, you took them, and 268 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: away we go. 269 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, I think with these I 270 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: think sometimes it's almost like the draft's not that easy, 271 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: Like the draft is not Oh, you take these positions 272 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: and these players that played these positions put them up 273 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: top because they got stats and they've been on the internet, 274 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: and put them up top. And then these players have 275 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: played these positions put them at the bottom and that's it. 276 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: And just working for a couple of months. 277 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: And Daniel Jeremiah says, mel Kiper says, take him there, Like, come. 278 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: On, I give it a little bit more credit to drafts. 279 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: Not that easy. And he's going to look me talking 280 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: about building a defense and me and Aaron going to 281 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: have very similar philosophies in terms of like what does 282 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: it take to really elevate you? And you got to 283 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: have guys the front. You better have guys that can cover, 284 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: so you know, often the inside linebacker or the off 285 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: ball linebacker, like we took Malcolm Rodriguez year before sixth round, 286 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: and he had a great year. You know he's gonna 287 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: be He's going to be something that's going to be 288 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: contributed for us going forward. But it was just that 289 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: you got to look at the player like, not not 290 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: the position. We don't draft positions. We draft players. And 291 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: so when you looked at the player of Jack Campbell 292 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: and we saw it as like, no, we're not drafting 293 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: inside linebacker. We actually went into after we signed if 294 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: to resigned Alex Angeloni, and we feel really good about, 295 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: you know, the direction that Derek Barnes and knocking Rod 296 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: Driguez was heading. It's not like inside linebackers like oh 297 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: you better get like it's not just like no, but 298 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: Jack Campbell was just a hell of a football player. 299 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: And I just think that like we're looking at it 300 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: as he's going to be an anchor in our defense, 301 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: not we're drafting an inside linebacker, Like no, we're just 302 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: taking an anchor. That's defense. And we tell about guys. 303 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: We look at free agency, you look at inside linebackers. 304 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: You know, you might have this whole list, But then 305 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: when you're looking at guys I can actually wear that 306 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: green dot and really run the show, that list shrinks 307 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: down like this, like it goes from this and it 308 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: goes to this. And so then when you have a 309 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: guy like Jack Campbell that's six five, two fifty, that's 310 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: extremely instinctive. He's he's heavy in the run game, he's 311 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: extremely smart, and I just love how the kid is wired. 312 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: I mean he's wired to fake what we're all about. 313 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: We're all about grit, doing it the right way, like 314 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: the truly earning it. And this guy just loves football. 315 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: He's he he's all business. And so it's about the player. 316 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: It's not about not about oh it's gone place. It's 317 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: notline it's got a place running back. No, like go 318 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: to Jamiri gibbss Like, oh no, he's a weapon. But 319 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: Jamira Gibbs is really smart. It's not like you know, 320 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: oh yeah, he can align all these different places. You 321 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: got to be smart to line in all these different places. 322 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: You don't just align all these different places, No, Like, 323 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: you got to be really smart. You got to be 324 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: really heady and instinctive. And so I thought Jack Campbell, 325 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: you know, had all the trades that we look for 326 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: in a football player. And so that's how we felt 327 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: really good about it again going back to what I 328 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: was saying about in one but a certain amount of 329 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: players that we had in that first round bucket, and 330 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: he was one of them. And but I say it 331 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: was only fourteen guys. Jack Campbell wasn't fourteen, you know 332 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: what I mean? So like it's that's that's why I 333 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: just it was it was easy. 334 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: I love it. You guys have your board, you have 335 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: your guys, and hey, if we can get this guy 336 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: at eighteen, and he was a top fourteen player of 337 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: ours and may even higher top ten, we're taking them. 338 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 339 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: Mock drafts be damned. 340 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what that's that's our stance. We're 341 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: just we do a lot of work. We're very thorough, 342 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: and I know I think every team is going to 343 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: say that, but we just have a lot of conviction 344 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: in our process and in what we believe, and we 345 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: just stick by it, and that that's what we did. 346 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I love it. And last year not only had Hutchinson 347 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: step up, but you had so many rookies playing big roles, 348 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: especially on that defense, that it's hard not to say, Okay, 349 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's see 350 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: before everyone starts giving them, you know b's and c's 351 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: on their draft grades based on what the mont Draft said. 352 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean that's always say like it's such 353 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: a psychological component of like the mock drafts and look 354 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: it's no, I'm. 355 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: Not looking at it. 356 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: Look I know you, like, I. 357 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: Know you do much, yes, but take a lot of 358 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: pride in it. 359 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: But like, but I'll say this, I mean, stra you 360 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: you do football every single day, Like that's what you 361 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: do all the time. You know a lot of people 362 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: you I mean, like, I like I look at like 363 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: So I'm not going to say like I don't look 364 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: at mock drafts. Yeah I look at him because people talking, 365 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: people do the research and all that. But you can't. 366 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: You just still have to have ultimate belief and ultimate 367 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: conviction in your own process. But but no, there's plenty 368 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: of guys that are doing that. I respect, And I'm like, man, 369 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: I know this guy knows people. You know, he's done 370 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: a lot of work, you know, and I think he 371 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: puts a lot of pride. But when it doesn't go 372 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: down the way you projected it, your your brain doesn't 373 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: really like that. And it's kind of. 374 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: Want to be right. 375 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be and so then now you're mad, 376 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: and now you're like, damn it, no one said he 377 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: was gonna go that high. And then now you got 378 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: to sign a grade while you're still mad. So now 379 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no one said you're gonna go there. No, 380 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: And I'm just like and I was like, at the 381 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: end of the day. 382 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, march, you know, because really the. 383 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: Only ranks that really matter is the thirty one other 384 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: general finishers and uh and and those are the rankings 385 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: that nobody has. And that's what makes the draft so fun. 386 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: And so when when when when I see people get 387 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: mad about, uh, it didn't go the way, I'm like, look, 388 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: you should embrace the excitement of that, Like that's that's 389 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: the part. You don't know how it's gonna fall. And 390 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: you see a name that goes out and be like, whoa, 391 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 392 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: It's like embracing it is ultimates the ultimate reality show. 393 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: It's more than the season even because it's so rapid fire. 394 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: And I say it before the draft, I beg my 395 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: colleagues on Twitter on ESPN, I don't tip the picks. 396 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: It is such a fun experience as a viewer. If 397 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: you don't and you guys in the war rooms and 398 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: then trying to manipulate the chessboard. It's it's war games 399 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: and it's fun to watch from outside, but I'm sure 400 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: it's stressful as hell in your chair. 401 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: But it is. You're right, it's fun. And and what 402 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: I was I was selling a lot of people out 403 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: in the draft, you know, I was like, Okay, this 404 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: was the draft, this was the draft season. This was 405 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, the build up, and then when it's over, 406 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: then it's over. And then now now the ota start 407 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: and guys start get on the field, and now that's 408 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: the thing. And then now training camp is about to start, 409 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: so that'll be a thing. So it's like it goes 410 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: in phases where it's just like I was telling you 411 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: about the movie, you know, with Ethan Hawkins Denzel Aushington. 412 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: It's like you do the shootout and the back windows 413 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: shot out, and you know, the cars kind of shot 414 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: up a little bit, but they got out. They go. 415 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: You gotta so you gotta take the you know, the 416 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: d's and halfs of the mock drafters and all, okay, 417 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: all right, you know it'll be it'll be back at home. 418 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: I love your story. I think it's a story of perseverance. 419 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: But also you've had a great career. Can can we 420 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: go back to your high school days. You're a star 421 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: player in Tampa, Florida. You were I want to say, 422 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: Homecoming King, Is that true? I did my research. Homecoming King, 423 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: captain of the football team. You go to North Carolina 424 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: A and T, and you're having a great freshman sophomore 425 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: here and then a major life moment occurred. I'm going 426 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: to say something and then you take us back and 427 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: explain what happened. But I'm just going to say the 428 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: Music City Miracle game and then take us backwards and 429 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: lead up to what that game means in your life. 430 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: Oh man, So yeah, you know, I'm at home visiting, 431 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: you know, my my parents once Ampa, and you know, 432 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: have a you know, near fatal car accident, just get 433 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: get sidelined, and you know, I mean, I mean, I 434 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: see you for a week and it was it was 435 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm I'm very blessed and lucky 436 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: to pull through that. But yeah, I was. I was 437 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: in I see you in Saint Joseph Hospital in Tampa, Florida, 438 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: watching the Music City Miracle and I never forget I was. 439 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: And then when I got released from the hospital, watching 440 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: then in nine rams, you know, uh go their Super 441 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: Bowl when they played the Bucks, you know, and then 442 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: NSC Championship game, and uh it was. I mean I 443 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: was watching that just just kind of couch written when 444 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: I got released. But those moments kind of really resonate 445 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: with me because you don't you don't take anything for granted. 446 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: And you know what what that taught me is that, 447 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: you know, look, if you have something that you believe, 448 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: all is believe it and don't let anybody take your 449 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: dreams away. Because I never forget that. My college coach 450 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: phil As visits in the hospital and you know, he's 451 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: he sees one of his players in ICU bed mangled up, 452 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there telling them that I'm gonna play again, 453 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: and he's like, all right, yeah right, I mean, like 454 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: you're lucky if you'll walk around like no, I'm gonna 455 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: play again. And sure enough, it just gave me time 456 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: to get as healthy as I could rehab. It was 457 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: able to, you know, join the team. I had missed 458 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: that whole spring, and I joined the team during summer 459 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: workouts and a big part of my rehab process was 460 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: my grandfather coming down and my grandfather played golf twice 461 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 2: today and just driving his car really kind of just 462 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 2: or yeah, like just getting used to even driving again. 463 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. And you know, you go through all 464 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: this occupational therapy and all that, but but be able 465 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: to join my teammates that summer and I felt actually 466 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: stronger than ever was. I felt even better in shape, 467 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: and you know, and we we went on and you know, 468 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: I was able to finish my career at North Carolina 469 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: A and T. But that's definitely the biggest adversity that 470 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: I've ever overcome in my life and and something that 471 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. And it sticks with you. 472 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: You went into a coma, you had a stroke, and 473 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: then what was it? How many how many weeks or 474 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: months in the hospital were you? 475 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: And yeah, so I was in I was in ICU 476 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: for almost two weeks. You know, it was like ten 477 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: days in ICU, and then I had almost close to 478 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: another week when I got released and moved from ICU. 479 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, had a had a coma stroke, was paralyzed 480 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 2: all the way on my right side. And you know, 481 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: I still to this day, I still have like I 482 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 2: still don't feel like I have the exact same amount 483 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: of strength, you know, like in my right arm as 484 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: my left or you know, it's just it's certain things 485 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: that kind of just give you some reminders of that moment. 486 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 2: But having kids now, being a parent, I just can't 487 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: even think of you know, uh, my, my my parents. 488 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: Getting that call from one of my closest friends Gape GALAGOSU. 489 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: I just saw back when I was on vacation that 490 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: you know, he's the one that had to make that 491 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: call to my parents of what happened, and it was 492 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: I just can't even fathom me get in that call 493 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: when day just out of the blue, and you know, 494 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: I just I just have so much respect for my family, uh, 495 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: my closest friends. Uh and you know, I just I 496 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: just kind of it's just one of those moments that 497 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: lives with you in really a good way. 498 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, is it almost in a weird way? 499 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: And they say this about survivors of traumatic events, but 500 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: also survivors of illnesses. It's almost liberating where you're like, wait, 501 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: I've been through that, I can do anything now. 502 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like it's yeah, it's it's not a good 503 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: moment because it's life threatening, but at the same time, 504 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: It's one of those moments that shape for sure, and 505 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: those are one of those things that I think kind 506 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: of started my journey. Like I felt like I was 507 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: always a hard worker. I always felt like I always 508 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: had that mindset that was kind of overcoming the odds. 509 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: My father had taught me that a long time ago, 510 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: you know, he had he he played in the NFL 511 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: for a short a while, and I never forget he 512 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: bought me a weight set, you know, when I was 513 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: in length the seventh grade and and he was like 514 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: it was no, it was in the eighth grade. I 515 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: think it was in eighth or ninth grade, but he 516 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: bought me a weight set, And I never forget he 517 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: told me. He was like, Brad, it's it's not about 518 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: what other people are seeing you do, and it's about 519 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: what you're doing, about what you're doing when other people 520 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: aren't watching, about how hard you're working. And so I 521 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: always felt like I was a hard worker. But going 522 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: through that car accident and going through that process getting 523 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: back on my feet and not only having a chanced 524 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: play football, but having a chance to have life again, 525 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm just forever grateful and fortunate. But I do think 526 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: that that did kind of spark that fuel of getting 527 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: to where I got to now because I had to 528 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: take a really long road. It was a very unconventional 529 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: path in terms of getting started and just you know, 530 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: being told no when I first shot to get into 531 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: business and just keep fighting at it, and I think 532 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: it both will. 533 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. And I think what you're alluding 534 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: to with your career, I was looking in your bio. 535 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: You were in Atlanta Hawks public relations, you know, entry 536 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: level guy doing PR for the Atlanta Hawks coming out 537 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: of school for you, and then you were at the 538 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Rams doing p R, which is yeah, setting 539 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: up interviews, which is working on messaging for the team, 540 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: which is helping the players you know, talk to the 541 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: media and arrange that kind of How do you make 542 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: that jump from PR to being an NFL GM twenty 543 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: years later? 544 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So my degree was in PR, and in credit 545 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: to my mother's been in the education field forever, and 546 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: like halfway through college, I started off as a business 547 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: and marketing major. I didn't even know why. I just 548 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: thought that was the cool major to be in. And 549 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: then my mom was like, right, you might want to 550 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: change that, dude, Like you're more of a verbal writing person. 551 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: You're not a man. I was like, all right, So 552 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: I changed my degree to PR and uh, and it 553 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: was it was the best thing for me. And I 554 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: really like my grade to start to change. But anyways, 555 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: when I got done playing, you know, I knew I 556 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: wanted to get in the NFL and you know, try 557 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: to get into Scout again. I sent my resume to 558 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: all the teams like everybody else does. My dad had 559 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: a complic actions, but none of that fell through. So 560 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: my mom was basically like, dude, you got to come 561 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 2: back home. You know, You've got to come home and 562 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: just figure it out. And so I moved back home, 563 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: and I was ringing cars for Enterprise Rental Cars, and yeah, 564 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 2: I was rinting cars for Enterprise Rental Car and uh, 565 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: you know, I'm wearing the shirt and tie, washing cars 566 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: and rinting cars and all I'm doing is I'm thinking 567 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: about sports. And that was a very psychological and emotional 568 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: period of my life because that was the first time 569 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: that I was not getting ready to play football. I 570 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: wasn't like I'm going through It's like. 571 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: In July, you don't have a training I don't have. 572 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: A training camp. Awaiting for me. I'm not involved in football. 573 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: So I'm in that little branch that Enterprise rental car 574 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: just thinking about football all day and saying about sports. 575 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: And so finally an opportunity came about with the Atlanta 576 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: Hawks for a media relations trainee, and so I talked 577 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: to my mom about it and I'm like and my 578 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: mom was like, look, at least you'll be back in sports, 579 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, you're You're right. And so 580 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: I got that opportunity with the Atlanta Hawks. And because 581 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: like I only could only work forty hours a week 582 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: with the Atlanta Hawks, it was a meat relations trainee position, 583 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: but because of my experience with Enterprise, Enterprise allowed me 584 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 2: to work part time at the Atlanta airpe Line. So 585 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: one of the one of the greatest perks that the 586 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks gave me was a free Marty card. Because 587 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: I didn't have the money to I lived way up 588 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: in Norcross and had this little one bedroom apartment and 589 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: so I would take the you know. 590 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: You're taking ups arena. 591 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: So I had to start up top at the Furthest 592 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: Formal station. 593 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: In the early two thousand. Yeah, you know about that's 594 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: not a yeah, all respect to the marks that ain't 595 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: the New York City subway system. 596 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: So you literally added take the door into the northernmost 597 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: stop and go down and then drop me off downtown 598 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: at to see an Inventor Center of building. And that's 599 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: when I would do my meat relations trainee job. And 600 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: then when I got off, then that's when I would 601 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: go down to UH. I get off and I take 602 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: the Marta down to the Atlanta Airport and then I 603 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: go to the Atlanta Airport and I would just work cars, 604 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: so probably about about eleven o'clock at night, and then 605 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: you know, the Atlanta air Force is the last time, 606 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: so I'd have to take that that Atlanta Airport Marta 607 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: all the way back up to that door bill station 608 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: up north and UH. And that's really what's the lesson. 609 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: What's a lesson from Atlanta? 610 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: What's a lesson for kids? Right now? Who are I say? Kids? 611 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: College graduate? I want to get in sports, I want 612 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: to be a GM. You hear that story that that 613 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: could be discouraging, but it should also encourage. 614 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: It should encourage you. And again, like I said at 615 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: the beginning, man, look if you're confised on what you 616 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: want to do, don't let anybody ever tell you know, 617 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: and people will tell you no, and you got to 618 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: use the nose as fuel to just keep going. And 619 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: you just gotta have you just got to be convicted, 620 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 2: and you just got to know that you're not going 621 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: to have the easiest path. Yeah. I had plenty of 622 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: friends from college that got these high paying jobs and 623 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it was it was, it was great. 624 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: But I was struggling. You know, I wasn't making I 625 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: think I was want to make like eight bucks an 626 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: hour as a relations trainee, and then maybe I was 627 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: making like nine dollars an hour renting cars. But I 628 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: had enough to survive, as you know, to pay for 629 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: my apartment and pay for my bills. But the great 630 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: thing about that year, though, in two thousand and three, 631 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: was that the NBA All Star Game. I remember. 632 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: Yet contest that year. Just as a fan. 633 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: I actually thought it was a cool job because one 634 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: of my main duties was I had to get the 635 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: post game quotes from the opposing teams. So, like Jordan 636 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: and everybody, they would be coming in and I'm like 637 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: in the locker room and I'm like, holy cal, Like 638 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: this is Tracy McGray, Like, holy cal, this is like 639 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, this is Shaquille O'Neil, Like what Like 640 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome. So, but the NBA All 641 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: Star Game comes and then my boss at the time, ARTHA. Trish, 642 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: was a he was a president communication for basketball for 643 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: the House at the time. He knew I wanted to 644 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: get in the NFL, and he said, hey, look, man, 645 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: a lot of these PR directors from the NFL come 646 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: to the All Star Game. You know, I can introduce 647 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: you to some of them. And so I met Dwayne 648 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 2: Lewis and we just kind of did a little kind 649 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: of lunch interview and he had offered me a PR 650 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: internship and I was like great, And so then I 651 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: just did the PR Internship of the Year and during 652 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: that year, so I was starting the two thousand and 653 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: three season. 654 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: So you make the shift from Sharif Abdurraheim and Dan 655 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: Dickau and Dion Glover and my man Alan Henderson and 656 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: now you're at where you're going, you go, do you 657 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: move everything? Go to Saint Louis for an internship. 658 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just kind of packed the U haul. 659 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: I just I just packed the U haul and drove 660 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis and and I just started there. 661 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: Had you ever been there before? 662 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: I've never been the same. I've never been. 663 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: This is the lesson. How many of these people that 664 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: we talked to are like, yeah, the opportunity, but I'm 665 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: from New York. I'm not moving to you know. 666 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: Like, no, I think it's easier when it's when you're 667 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: single with no kids a little bit. But but you know, 668 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: I'm now. I was twenty three years old, twenty two 669 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: years old at the time, so but yeah, I just 670 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 2: packed the U haul and just kind of drove drove 671 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis. Uh it's about eight nine hour drive, 672 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 2: I think or something like that. You know. Then I 673 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 2: started my PR internship and back then the RAMS would 674 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: have training camp in Macomb, Illinois, Illinois. So uh, it's 675 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: like assume I get there and I'm there for like 676 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: maybe a week. And then I got to go to Macomb, 677 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: Illinois and start my PR internship, and uh, it was 678 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 2: it was it was cool again. I was doing interviews 679 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: and with Marshall Faulk and stuff like that, and I 680 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 2: was like, this is great. But during that time, you know, 681 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: during that training camp, I see these guys that weren't players. 682 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: They were just regular guys and they had their helping 683 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: out in practice and I'm like, what are those and 684 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, there was a scouting assistance and I 685 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: was like scouting assistants and I'm like, they can like 686 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: help out in practice and walk through and stuff. And 687 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: it's like yeah, I'm like wow. So I'm like I 688 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: gotta get So, you know, I struck up a good 689 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: relationship with our running bass coach at the time, Wilbert Montgomery, 690 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: former Eagles. Yeah. I mean, and I think Wilburt just 691 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: saw that, you know, I was just a young kid 692 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: fresh out of college that I love football, and we 693 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: would just taught football and h Then as our relationship developed, 694 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: I would start helping him out with stuff. I would 695 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: help him. I would help him do his running back 696 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: risk band things, you know, I do that kind of stuff. 697 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: And one day he just asked me, He's like, man, 698 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: why are you in pr Like why are you not? 699 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: I said, Wilburt, Man, I don't know anybody. I don't. 700 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: I try to get in, but I couldn't. And so 701 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 2: he was like, hey, look man, I'm gonna talk to Charlie. 702 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: Charlie Armers our gem at the time, and he said, 703 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to Charlie. And at the time, all 704 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: the Scotting assistants kind of had this it's called it 705 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: like a nepotism kind of everyone. Yeah, like one uncle 706 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: was the president, another one, you know, his dad played 707 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 2: quarterback for the g another one is like his his 708 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: grandfather used to be the owner's far like all. And 709 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't have any of that. And 710 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: he was like, look, I never this is Wilbur talking. 711 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: Wilver's like, look, Brad, I never go to Charlotte or anything. 712 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: So he knows it's real. It's real. So he talks 713 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: to Charlie and he comes back. And one thing that 714 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: I had to do as a PR internship is I 715 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: had to print out the daily clips. And I had 716 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 2: to print out the daily clips and pass them out 717 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 2: to all the coaches offices in the gym's office. 718 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: And so here's what Bernie milk Klass wrote about the 719 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: team this week. 720 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: Right is Thomas Bernie mclass like all of them and 721 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 2: so and so, and you know, now we get them 722 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: all and PDF and all that. I let I tell 723 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: these interns now, I'm like, we used to have to 724 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 2: print these things out. 725 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: You print out, You cut out the newspaper article, you 726 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: put it on a piece of white paper, you paste it. 727 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: Then you gotta go to the copy machine, make forty copies, 728 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: and you gotta staple it. And this is every day. 729 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: It every single day. And so now on that again, 730 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: I can look at it as grunt work or but 731 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: I was looking as an opportunity. Like I had to 732 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: hand out some clips to Lovely Smith's office deep into Coordinate, 733 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy cow, love Smith, like you know 734 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I was able to meet. So 735 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 2: after Wilfrid told me about that, he talked to Charlie. 736 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: I had to pass them out to the general manager's 737 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: office and I passed it. I gave the clips to 738 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 2: Charlie and Charlie said, hey, uh. I talked to Wilburt 739 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 2: and he said, you know you're interested, and so come 740 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 2: come come meet me on Friday in my office. And 741 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: so I'm like, holy coun like this is it, like 742 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: it's coming. So I didn't know, and this is being 743 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 2: a young kid and not knowing really how to communicate 744 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: affectively and handle business right. So I didn't tell Dwayne 745 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: Lewis or PR director because. 746 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: I'm not giving that job? 747 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: Am I supposed to? Yeah? I'm like, what am I 748 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like tell him I'm about to leave, 749 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So, so, you know, and 750 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: Fridays were like a dress down there. So Friday, T 751 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: shirt Friday, I'm sure. So people are looking at me 752 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: like I just got dressed up. And so I go 753 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: up there, I meet Charlie Army and it was him 754 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 2: and his assistant Debbie Pollam in there, and I just 755 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 2: had a bunch of writing samples from my time with 756 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: you know everything that I and I wanted to show 757 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,479 Speaker 2: Charlie like I can write, Like. 758 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: I can write. 759 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 2: I have a passion for writing. I love like I'm 760 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 2: a grammar snob to this day. All my staff kind 761 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: of jokes on me all the time because I'm like, man, 762 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 2: why is he not a comment or something like that. 763 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 2: But anyways, I want to show him that I can write, 764 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 2: you know. And so I'm in there and I'm sitting 765 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 2: at this table with Charlie and his assistant Debbie, and 766 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 2: then next thing, you know, my PR director Dwayne Lewis 767 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: walks into Charlie's office and I'm like, and Dwayne's looking 768 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: at me and He's like, what the hell did you 769 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: just do? Like he's like, why is why is my 770 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: PR intern in the general manager's office. And and so 771 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 2: Charlie was on the phone and Debbie tells Dwayne that 772 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: was like, no, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine. And 773 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: so then Charlie gets off the phone and he just 774 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: tells Dwayne. He goes, hey, look, I was talking to 775 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 2: Brad here, and you know, he's interested in getting the 776 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: scouting So after he's done with your internship, he's going 777 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: to be by intern starting the draft prep process. 778 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: He hadn't even told me that you found out. 779 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm like, whoa, okay, right, and so 780 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 2: so then you know I had a you know, I 781 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 2: had a sorry, yeah, a. 782 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: Quick lesson on what this guy takes president. 783 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 2: So so yeah, so that's that's that's how it got started. 784 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: And I got a shot to be, uh a scouting intern. 785 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 2: So when the season ended, you know, basically like January 786 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 2: through the draft and I was a scouting intern and 787 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: I was just you know, labeling beta tapes and you know, 788 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 2: entering reports, and you know, you have to make profile 789 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 2: tapes we call profile profile tapes, and you got to 790 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 2: write the time codes from the beta tapes and all that, 791 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: and every now and then they should watch these tapes 792 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 2: during the draft meetings. And so every now and then 793 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: Charlie would ask one of the scout assistants, you know, 794 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 2: to come in and talk about the player. And so 795 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 2: I never forget the first who is the guy? He could? 796 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: They called me in? 797 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: Oh, come on, give it to me. I want to hear. 798 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: God, I can't remember who it was. I don't want 799 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 2: to make some but but I probably should remember it. 800 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 2: But I never forget he called me in. And it's 801 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: like the room is like dimly lit and projector screamed 802 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 2: on and they're watching my profile tape and it's a 803 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: room full of scouts in the GM and Lawrence mccut 804 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: player personnel director, and I'm like, smokes, and he's like, 805 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 2: what did you think? And I just told him I said, 806 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 2: I think he's this, I think he's that. I think 807 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 2: he's boomom boom, bom boom. And he was like, all right, thanks, 808 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 2: and I stopped out the room and I'm like, I 809 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 2: have no idea like anybody thought what I said. But 810 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 2: but you know, there was a scout, Big Daniels, who's 811 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: been been one of my mentors for a long time, 812 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 2: and I remember he came out and he told me, 813 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 2: he said, grad, you did a really good job. And 814 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 2: he was the one that really taught me how to 815 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 2: construct the scouting report and how to kind of ride a. 816 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: Play or a young kid come in like give me 817 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Roscoe Parish. 818 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 2: Go and you're like, no, it was it was. It 819 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: was intimidating, man, and you just had to be right. 820 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: But guess what, it was just me and those PR skills, 821 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: the enterprise front facing salesman skills, all of it comes 822 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: into play because guess what you're presenting. 823 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. It's almost like another one of my favorite 824 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 2: movies is The Karate. You know, the scene of when 825 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 2: he's complaining about you're not teaching meaning karate, you know, 826 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 2: like I thought I was supposed to be doing karate 827 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: and he's like, no, wax and watch off paint the 828 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 2: house like he's doing. And he's like no, Like do 829 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 2: you get it now? Like you've been learning it this 830 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 2: whole time, you just now it's showing. So but yeah, 831 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 2: you're right, like all those skills just goode. Well, but 832 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 2: as a young kid, you don't realize that at the time. 833 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 2: So after I got done with that draft, I believe 834 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 2: that's when we drafted Steven Jackson in the first round. 835 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 2: And I'll never forget that. And then Charlie he hired 836 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 2: me on as a full time scouting assistant, and you know, 837 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 2: I did that for like three years, and uh, we're 838 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: just picking players up from the airport. Just a lot 839 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 2: of just you know, going to the combine, not watching players, 840 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: just grabbing lunch for the GM, you know, between workouts 841 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 2: and stuff like like that, and keep doing profile tapes 842 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 2: and you know, just enormous scouting assistant duties and did 843 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: that for three years and then that's when I became 844 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 2: a combined scout in NFS Combine scout and that, to me, 845 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: that's the best training that you can get from a 846 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 2: scout because you're always woroking on the next year's draft 847 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 2: class and so like so, say it's the H five 848 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 2: draft and that March in April or February, March April 849 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 2: whatever like that, will you're working on the six guys. 850 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: And so what I think is the best training is 851 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 2: I'll never forget my first junior day. I just had 852 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 2: to go to university Missouri, and you know, I met 853 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 2: the pro liaison and he just gives me a list 854 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 2: and he was like, here's a list. He walks me 855 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 2: into the film room. I don't know anything about him, 856 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 2: and I just had to sort out that whole roster, 857 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 2: like I don't know what anybody is, I don't know 858 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 2: how good anybody is. And I remember I just grinded like. 859 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: Some of that justin Smith first round pick, or it 860 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: could be a guy that has no chance of being drafted, 861 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: but you've got to do it. 862 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just do. You don't know, and you don't 863 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 2: know until you watch him. And that's why I tell 864 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 2: my Scott's all the time, like You're like all these 865 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: free agents and all these guys that are undrafted guys, 866 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, you don't know if they're free 867 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: agents or guys you look at them. So but that 868 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: that moment right there kind of showed me like, look 869 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 2: and going through the whole spring, It's like it kind 870 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,959 Speaker 2: of gave me the whole thing of don't worry about 871 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 2: what anybody else thinks, like just trust for your I, 872 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 2: C and and and that's all. I mean that that's 873 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 2: kind of a hard thing to kind of especially as 874 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 2: a young scout, because you got a lot of noise 875 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: that affects you, and you got group think and all 876 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 2: this stuff that affects you. And just like we were 877 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 2: talking about earlier about the mant dress up, you want 878 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,919 Speaker 2: to be right. And so it actually takes a very 879 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 2: special skill to be able to say, look, I don't 880 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 2: care what anybody else thinks, this is what my But 881 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 2: being a combine scout forces you to be in that 882 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 2: moment of like you're riding all these players for the 883 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 2: up for the next year's draft class. And there is 884 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 2: no mock drafts out, there is no nobody's talking. 885 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: About change from the combine to the draft, and yet 886 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: you hear this guy's rising up aboard. But it's like 887 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: that's the group thing where it's like, well, maybe we 888 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: have taken another look at. 889 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 2: This guy exactly exactly, And so that's I've always been 890 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 2: big on the psychological part of the draft process and 891 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 2: still am. And so but those are the one of 892 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 2: the things of the group think. The it's a very 893 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: or just the whole conformity. Always look at the Solomon 894 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 2: Ash conformity experiment that you look at on YouTube, and 895 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 2: you know it's all those guys in the room and 896 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 2: they're looking at these lines on this paper and it's 897 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 2: this guy. They say all the wrong lines, and then 898 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 2: the guy knows that he has the right answer, but 899 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 2: he keeps sharing something else and he's just like, oh, shoot, 900 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 2: it's gotta be three, but everybody's saying two. So I 901 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 2: guess I'm gonna say two. But in your heart you 902 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 2: know that no, it was three. It's not it's not two. 903 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 2: And so those are the things that you know that 904 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm always big one and try to eliminate that group thinking, 905 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 2: try to cut out that outside noise. But I think 906 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 2: that being a combine scout really really helped me out 907 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 2: with that. And you just kind of get training in 908 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 2: all aspects of scouting, of running a pro day and 909 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 2: having your own conviction and all that stuff. So doing that, 910 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, or I did the Midwest and cross checked 911 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 2: the Southeast, and after that I finally got an area 912 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 2: job doing the Northeast, and you know, we had a 913 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 2: new regime come in, you know, fit Billy Devaney became 914 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 2: my general manager and began the Northeast area scout job. 915 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 2: And then the rest of his. 916 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: History fast forwarding to the You're Rising up the chart 917 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: with the Rams Go twenty thirteen rolls around. This kid 918 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: out of Pittsburgh is a defensive tackle. What was your 919 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: initial thoughts and feelings on Aaron Donald the prospect? 920 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 2: So, Aaron Donald, he's another great, great study in terms 921 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 2: of blocking out the outside noise. And because at the 922 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 2: time we had I think we had Michael Brockers and 923 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 2: Kendall Langford and you know, we had already drafted Chris Long. 924 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 2: So we had these big defensive linemen at the time. 925 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 2: And I'm going to pitt and I'm like, this guy's amazing. 926 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 2: But I'm like, the coaches are gonna hate him because 927 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 2: he's not big. And I'm like, and then, so now 928 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 2: you're battling. 929 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: Sure, you know, going in, how how. 930 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 2: High of a grade do I give him? Because I 931 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 2: get this guy this high of a grade, but the 932 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 2: coach is gonna be like, what are you talking about? 933 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 2: This guy's only six foot and twenty five. So, but 934 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. And this is why always say to 935 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 2: this day the intangibles are the separators of success. Is 936 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,439 Speaker 2: that I knew the defensive coordinator at Hit the time, 937 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 2: Matt House, because he was working with Stagnola in that 938 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 2: previous staff under spags. And so I go in the 939 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 2: pit and I see Matt and Matt tells me, hey, Brad, 940 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 2: are you staying for practice? And I said, yeah, yeah, 941 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 2: he said come out about a half hour early. And 942 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 2: he didn't tell me why. He just told me to 943 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 2: come out of holf. So I'm thinking, as a scout, 944 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he's gonna give me some more background information, 945 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 2: some more intel. He'll be out of practice earlier. So 946 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 2: he didn't tell me that. He just told me to 947 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 2: come out of practice early. So I come out of practice early. 948 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, they practiced in that bubble at the Steelers Steelers, 949 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 2: and so I go out there and I walk out 950 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 2: to the bubble and it's the ball boys, the equipment managers, 951 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 2: the specialists, the kickers, the punter of the long snapper, 952 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 2: and Aaron Donald. Those are the only people in the bubble. 953 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 2: And Aaron Donald is sitting on this bag fully taped 954 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 2: up with this which in his knee as if like, man, 955 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 2: I've been waiting all day, like where's everybody at because 956 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 2: I've been waiting on this all day? And so then 957 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 2: I see Matt House. He comes out with other coaches 958 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 2: and Matt goes, Brad, you come out early. I was 959 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 2: like yep, and he goes, did you see it said? 960 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 2: I was like nothing else needed to be said. I 961 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,720 Speaker 2: was like, that's that's it. That's it. So yeah, Aaron Donald, 962 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 2: I mean a very talented player, ny explosive, very strong, 963 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 2: I mean all that, very athletic. I mean, he had 964 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 2: this rare combine. But it's his work in indangibles and 965 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 2: his passion for football that a lot of people just don't. 966 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 2: I mean they know now, but at the time, like 967 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,799 Speaker 2: and that was my story that I told, you know, 968 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 2: less need and Jeff Fisher like, I'm like that said 969 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 2: it all to me is that when Matt House told 970 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,879 Speaker 2: me to come out there early, and and sure enough 971 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 2: he's always been that way. 972 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 1: When he starts slipping in the draft, are you in 973 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: the war room like, hey guys, Scott or is it understood, Like, hey, 974 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,919 Speaker 1: if he's there, we're taking them. 975 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty understood. You know, we had two 976 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 2: picks that year, so you know we had we we 977 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 2: we took Greg Robinson and then and then you know 978 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 2: that's the that was the premium position, that was the 979 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 2: talented you know what I mean, like, that's that's that's 980 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 2: what it was. 981 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: So and guess what, every mock draft had Robinson going 982 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: first or second. 983 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 2: There's no doubt it was himboy Sammy Watkins that I 984 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 2: think we were we were targeting, and then finally we 985 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 2: just kind of settled in on Greg Robinson. But that 986 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 2: that was a great draft. But I mean that was 987 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 2: after that. It was so then after that when we 988 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 2: when we when we got to that next pick, it's like, now, yeah, 989 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,280 Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, you got you know, Mike Evans, you got 990 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 2: Zach Martin. It's just yeah, so many that was a 991 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 2: great go down Odell Beckham, I mean, c J. Bos like, 992 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 2: you got all these great players and so but you know, 993 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 2: the sites were said on on Aaron Donald. I never forget. 994 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 2: We got to that pick and a team called and 995 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 2: uh they offered a pretty tyson trade offer, and I'm 996 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 2: never Jeff thetheless was like, absolutely not, We're pitching this guy. 997 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 2: And that's just it. And uh, I'll never forget in 998 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 2: that draft meeting of our assistant general manager Ray Agne, 999 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,400 Speaker 2: he was the one that really like in that draft 1000 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 2: meeting leading up to that draft because a lot of 1001 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 2: people are saying because of the size, you know, he 1002 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 2: was going to be a sub rush you know, specialized 1003 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 2: nickel sub rush guy. And I never forget. Rad was 1004 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,279 Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, 1005 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,720 Speaker 2: he's every day like it is. No, it's no specialized nothing, 1006 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 2: and like he said it with the most passion. And 1007 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 2: you know Ray Agnew, you know Tompson Page like he's 1008 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 2: like when you hear Ray Agnew and Radnews, very salt 1009 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: smoke guy. But when he hit said, I was like, Okay, 1010 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,720 Speaker 2: this is real. 1011 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: They played you guys played Tampa and it was a 1012 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: thunderstorm and I remember I don't know who the decordinator 1013 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: was at the time, as probably Greg Williams. They were 1014 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,399 Speaker 1: lining airing up and outside linebacker in a three four yeah, 1015 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,279 Speaker 1: and I was like, I've never seen this before and 1016 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,279 Speaker 1: it was in a rainstorm and he was just out 1017 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,320 Speaker 1: there sacond quarterbacks from the OLB position. 1018 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 2: He is he has rare I mean, if you look 1019 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 2: back at his combine, he had Shuttle times like he 1020 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,720 Speaker 2: had dB Shuttle times, but he just had like thirty 1021 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 2: reps in two twenty five and ran a four six. 1022 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,439 Speaker 2: And because of the way he's built and he's still 1023 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 2: got long arms and he's so explosive, but again like 1024 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 2: he's talented. I tell the story all the time about 1025 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,959 Speaker 2: Aaron Donald and I say it about Cooper Cup as well, 1026 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, man, like this guy loves football 1027 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 2: and he was hard, like because that time where he 1028 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 2: was the first one in that bubble in practice, He's 1029 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 2: been that way a freaking old day. He's the first 1030 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 2: one out at practice every day. And I'll never forget, 1031 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 2: even his rookie year, before he was even starting, I 1032 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 2: never forget. I had to run to the facility real quick. 1033 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 2: It was. It was a Saturday, Saturday night and I 1034 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 2: think I was heading out on the road somewhere the 1035 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 2: next day, and so I run the facility grab stuff, 1036 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,759 Speaker 2: and it was Aaron Donald and he was in the 1037 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 2: world because I was like, there's no players here. It's 1038 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 2: like it's like eight nine o'clock at night, Aaron Donald 1039 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 2: in the whirlpool watching his iPad like he's not even 1040 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 2: a starter. He's not even the starter, but he's preparing 1041 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 2: like he's the starter as a rookie. And and it 1042 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 2: was it was the same way with with with Cooper 1043 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 2: Cup when you know he drafted him, and that's when 1044 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 2: it really it hit me. I'm like, look, man, if 1045 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 2: these players don't have the tangibles in the passion and 1046 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 2: the work ethic in the football character, it's not gonna work. 1047 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,520 Speaker 2: It's just bottom line. 1048 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,799 Speaker 1: I love this stuff. We're gonna we're gonna do rapid 1049 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: fire and then we're gonna wrap this up. We'ven't been 1050 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: gotten into some of the Lions stuff I want to 1051 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,720 Speaker 1: talk about. Jered, I thought it'll be another time. Yeah, 1052 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rapid fire and you just give me 1053 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: some answers and we go from there. Your greatest mentor 1054 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: as a football professional non life, but it's a football 1055 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: person in your career. Who is the person that kind 1056 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 1: of you look to and say, this guy showed me 1057 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 1: the ropes? 1058 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,880 Speaker 2: And I have to say, Dick Daniels. I have to 1059 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,720 Speaker 2: say Daniels. 1060 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know that name. So tell 1061 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: me who he is. 1062 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so Dick Daniels. He was a Northeast scout 1063 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 2: at the time when I first joined the scouting apartment 1064 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 2: as a scouting intern. And he's the one that kind 1065 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 2: of took the time out. That's the that's the guy 1066 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 2: that told me good job after I winning that Yark 1067 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 2: rooman stilled my gut, it's about this player on this 1068 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,360 Speaker 2: profile tape I made, and and he just kind of 1069 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 2: told me like, hey, look man, like this is this 1070 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 2: is what you got to do. This is how you 1071 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 2: do it. And we went to this college All Star 1072 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,720 Speaker 2: game called the Cactus Boll It was like this small 1073 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 2: school college all star game down in Texas. This is 1074 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 2: back when they saw like one forty yard dash and 1075 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 2: stuff at All Star games. And I remember it was 1076 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 2: just me and him and every morning before he went 1077 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 2: out to practice, we would sit in that lobby and 1078 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 2: he would just tell me just all the ins and 1079 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 2: outs of Rochster building, team building. I mean like he 1080 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 2: was he was that guy, and you know he had 1081 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 2: been in the league for thirty years you know then 1082 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 2: there and he just would just give me so much 1083 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 2: knowledge and intel. So if I there's a lot of guys, 1084 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 2: That's why I kind of like that, because a lot 1085 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 2: of guys I can name. I can name Lawrensman, Cunson, 1086 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 2: I could, I can name less need but uh, from 1087 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 2: from the very gig go, I'd have to say the game. 1088 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 1: Who is the player that you remember being most convicted 1089 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: about and using your voice the loudest and maybe if 1090 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 1: you want to say, pounding the table to be selected 1091 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: in any any draft, any team you've been a part of. 1092 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 2: Hm hmm. 1093 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: Could be a late round guy who you're like, hey, 1094 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: let's take a shot on it. Could be a first 1095 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: round pick, someone that you were like, this is my dude. 1096 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: And I remember asking Jason Light about this and he 1097 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: was like, in Philly, Trent Cole was my guy. You know, 1098 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: like you just have this random guy. They're like, that's 1099 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: my guy. You know. 1100 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 2: For me, it was John Johnson, the safety BC. 1101 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 1: Talk about it. I love this. 1102 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 2: So it was funny that draft. I remember it was 1103 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 2: like that's when we first hired Sean McVay, and you know, 1104 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 2: we had a lot of new coaches and Less, you know, 1105 00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 2: Less was in that whole hiring process, so you know, 1106 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 2: he usually is like deep diving and everything all the time. 1107 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 2: He didn't have that kind of time because we're doing this. 1108 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 1: No, he's interviewing Doug Maroon and guy. 1109 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 2: Regime makeover and so I'll never forget. We get into 1110 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 2: the third round and you get to those points in 1111 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 2: the draft where the board just looks kind of foggy, 1112 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 2: like no one's really standing out. No, one's really it's 1113 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 2: just kind of just static and staying and everyone's kind 1114 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 2: of staring at it, and you know, everybody started names 1115 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 2: and I just said I was just like John Johnson. 1116 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 2: I said, just let's just pick John Johnson. And I 1117 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 2: never forget Wade Phillips. He looks over at me and 1118 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 2: he's like John Johnson. I said, I'm telling you, this 1119 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 2: guy's a starter, Like he's a starter. So Wade Phillips. 1120 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,440 Speaker 2: I love Way Phillips. He just like, oh, he's a 1121 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 2: starter man. And so I just and so I just 1122 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 2: kept on the table for John Johnson. I said, I'm 1123 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,480 Speaker 2: telling you John Johnson, like, because I remember I went 1124 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 2: out the BC Yukon game saw him live, Like I 1125 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,960 Speaker 2: just love what I saw out of him, like another 1126 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 2: guy just high and tangible is how working. I actually 1127 01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,320 Speaker 2: thought he was going to be more of a coverage 1128 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 2: player and then he actually transformed himself into more of 1129 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 2: a box kind of player. But I'll never forget. I 1130 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 2: just that that was the moment I think that I 1131 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 2: felt like, you know, I had just like a voice, 1132 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,000 Speaker 2: and I think it was a needed voice because everybody 1133 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 2: was new, Like, you know, he had a whole new 1134 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 2: coaching staff. You know, we did just a lot of 1135 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,000 Speaker 2: change and you know, make over there and I'll never forget, 1136 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, I just had a lot of. 1137 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 1: You're in New Orleans NFC Championship game a few years later, 1138 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,080 Speaker 1: who makes the biggest play of the game. 1139 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, you can say a lot of guys did, 1140 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 2: but I actually think Jared Golf played one of his 1141 01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 2: best games there. Johnson john made the big thing at 1142 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 2: the end. 1143 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Golf was awesome in that game. You know everyone, 1144 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: And I've worked with Sean Payton this past year and 1145 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 1: he's still sensitive about it because obviously the non call 1146 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,240 Speaker 1: on the Nicole Roby Coleman thing. But I always said, 1147 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: you're up thirteen to nothing at home, you got you 1148 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: got the ball first in overtime, you got to close 1149 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: the door. But Jared Golf that day would not quit it. 1150 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 2: Like what people don't realize about the game. It was. 1151 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,440 Speaker 2: It was the loudest thing ever. And it's like he 1152 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 2: literally he couldn't hear his headset win all these He's 1153 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 2: busting enough to try to run to the receiver before 1154 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,200 Speaker 2: the PLAYFOD game to tell him to sit like that. 1155 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,840 Speaker 2: It wasn't just about his stats, about him throwing. It 1156 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,439 Speaker 2: was about the adversity came through. But it's funny saying 1157 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 2: that about Sean Payton because I talked about I talked 1158 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,560 Speaker 2: to Dan about that game and this is when sure, yeah, 1159 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 2: and and you know Dan, like me and Dan are 1160 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 2: just we're so much like the same in person. Dan 1161 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 2: he never said anything about all that call was. You know, No, 1162 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 2: he was like, no, we shouldn't have put ourselves in 1163 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 2: position to actually get to up you know what I mean, Like, 1164 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,919 Speaker 2: you know, he like, we're all about accountability, Like that's 1165 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 2: just waying so much in our building. And Dan was like, no, no, man, 1166 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 2: we shouldn't have put ourselves in the position to actually 1167 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 2: give y'all an opportunity to do that, you know what 1168 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 2: I mean. So you know, you gotta love Dan's response 1169 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 2: on that. This is like, that's such a Dan Campbell. 1170 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Were you were you at Jared Goff's pro day at Cow? 1171 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,439 Speaker 1: Were you there that day? 1172 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 2: No? I wasn't at the pro day. 1173 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 1: They speak, they speaking legendary. I mean, I think Mike 1174 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Silver wrote a beautiful piece on it when it happened. 1175 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,360 Speaker 1: But like the Rams, whatever its private workout or a private. 1176 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 2: It was a problem. Range. Yeah, we actually purposely didn't 1177 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 2: really send people out to his pro daye because we 1178 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 2: kind of, yeah, we kind of wanted to keep it 1179 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,920 Speaker 2: close of the best. But no, I remember the private 1180 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 2: workout and I wasn't there, but I know less you know, Jeff, 1181 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 2: all those guys were there and you just heard it 1182 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,439 Speaker 2: was just like man like because I think they did 1183 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 2: him and Carson Wentz like back to back, and I 1184 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,439 Speaker 2: guess you know, it was all good for Carson Wentz 1185 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 2: in terms of the weather and the conditions, but Jared 1186 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 2: and I never I think we kind of gave Jared 1187 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 2: a choice to move the. 1188 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Location and he's like, no. 1189 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 2: Let's go, and and he was out there just whipping it, man, 1190 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,800 Speaker 2: and he's extremely talented, and I'm so happy for him. 1191 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 2: Just kind of too. 1192 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been covering Jared since he got in, 1193 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 1: but like for you, it's a personal connection where you know, 1194 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,280 Speaker 1: you draft him in La then you yourself get this 1195 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 1: job in Detroit in the first big movie you make, 1196 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,439 Speaker 1: because you trade their franchise quarterback. And it almost felt 1197 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,920 Speaker 1: like it was a throw in, like yeah, we'll give 1198 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you golf, but here's Jared Goff. Last year as one 1199 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the NFC. 1200 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 2: Well, I remember when we were hammering out the details 1201 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 2: of the trade. I'm because you know, it was kind 1202 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 2: of that carousel of available quarterbacks that year in terms 1203 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,960 Speaker 2: of like who was going to be available. So obviously 1204 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 2: you know Stafford was getting traded to the Rams, but 1205 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 2: I never, forget less asked me. He was like, do 1206 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 2: you want Jared in this trade? And I was like, 1207 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,840 Speaker 2: hell yeah, like absolutely, Like it wasn't like, just give 1208 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 2: me any quarterback and I was like, no, I want 1209 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 2: Jared in this trade. And the reason why I'm so 1210 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 2: proud of him and I'm so happy for him is 1211 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 2: because that first year, man, like you know, look, it 1212 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,919 Speaker 2: was almost like the guy as a starter in LA, 1213 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,320 Speaker 2: Like we're out of five years, he's in the postseason, 1214 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:55,280 Speaker 2: if not super Bowl, and so it's like the one 1215 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,400 Speaker 2: year that he did. But yeah, so like we make 1216 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 2: the trade, and the way that the narrative was of 1217 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 2: how the trade went, it kind of went like, up 1218 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 2: when Jared Goff can play? And I'm like, dude, this 1219 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 2: guy was just in the divisional playing with a broken hand, 1220 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 2: completing seven percent of his passes, Like why can't he 1221 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 2: play anymore? So then we start the season and me 1222 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,120 Speaker 2: and Dan we tear the roster down to the stunt. 1223 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,960 Speaker 2: I mean literally, the only thing we really had was 1224 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 2: an offensive line, and even all of those guys got hurt. 1225 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 2: I mean, besides Fenny Sewell, all those guys are beat up. 1226 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 2: So we really didn't have much in the skill player department. 1227 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 2: We didn't really, I mean, we had a beat up 1228 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 2: offensive line. We didn't really have any weapons around him 1229 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 2: to throw to, Like we thought that we didn't have 1230 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 2: any money to play with in free agency really, so 1231 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 2: we kind of had to play the cow formula. And 1232 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 2: then we got Tyroll Williams number Shan Paarriman as like 1233 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,720 Speaker 2: the oh we have those guys, and then Tyler Williams 1234 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 2: kind of gets hurt. He's there. We cut with Sean Pairman. 1235 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 2: So now we have like this rookie a Moners Brown 1236 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 2: and that like that's it and so and then we 1237 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 2: kind of claim but you know, everything that he went 1238 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,200 Speaker 2: through that year, I mean, you know, you gotta think Detroit, 1239 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 2: you're talking about a football town, Like this is a 1240 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,840 Speaker 2: fan base that is unlike anything I've ever experienced. Like 1241 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 2: this fan base they care about their football. I mean, 1242 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,560 Speaker 2: it's legit I absolutely love them, but they're mad at Jared. 1243 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he was getting the booze and all that, 1244 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, we don't have any weapons 1245 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 2: for this guy. Offensive line is beat up. We had 1246 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:49,000 Speaker 2: to make a mid season offensive coordinator change plays for 1247 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 2: the first time. Actually did a really good job at it. 1248 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 2: But and I'm like, what quarterback would be successful going 1249 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,400 Speaker 2: through that kind of situation? Way, Like, I don't I 1250 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,240 Speaker 2: don't know what quarterback would be six. 1251 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I like, I tell you something also doesn't happen. 1252 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,560 Speaker 2: An offensive line didn't have a no c Like do. 1253 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,000 Speaker 1: You know where I got my respect for him? The 1254 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: toughness and all that's great, and that's quarterbacks. And yeah, 1255 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,760 Speaker 1: didn't say a peep, didn't speak negatively about McVeigh once, 1256 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: even though there was rumors out there that like, oh yeah, 1257 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,960 Speaker 1: McVeigh couldn't win within him just kind of put his 1258 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: head down, went to work. Okay, I'm a quarterback, let's go. 1259 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,920 Speaker 1: And I know he's a number one pick and he 1260 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: makes a lot of money. And everyone says, well, that's 1261 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,680 Speaker 1: what It's a lot easier said than done. 1262 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And that's I've always said about Yeah, like 1263 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,200 Speaker 2: you said, like the toughness. Yeah, the quarter you gotta 1264 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,680 Speaker 2: have that, but the mental and I've always respected Jereds's 1265 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 2: mental toughness, Like he that's one trait of him that 1266 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,120 Speaker 2: I think kind of goes under the radar a little bit, 1267 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,800 Speaker 2: but he has like top level, elite mental toughness because 1268 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,200 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of things that he's been to, 1269 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,600 Speaker 2: Like if something off that NFC Championship game first New Orleans, 1270 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 2: like people want to talk about, like the noise that 1271 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,720 Speaker 2: he had to deal with and all that stuff, But 1272 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 2: he goes to that twenty one season and he does 1273 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,000 Speaker 2: not complain. He just goes through it and it starts 1274 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 2: coming together late in the season and then you know, 1275 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 2: he has a year that he had last year, and 1276 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 2: now it's like, oh, Jared Golf's good, And I'm like, well, 1277 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 2: he's actually always been good. But everybody, like I talk 1278 01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,280 Speaker 2: about the psychology of the process, it's the recency box, 1279 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,840 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, well, the last thing we saw 1280 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 2: is Jared Golf got cast it off, so he can't 1281 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 2: play anymore. It the last thing we saw is him 1282 01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, so he can't play anymore, right, 1283 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 2: Like I'm like, no, he can't play. So when he 1284 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,439 Speaker 2: had the season he had last year, I think a 1285 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,400 Speaker 2: lot of people were like, oh, Jared Golf, and I'm like, no, 1286 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,639 Speaker 2: he's He's always been a good quarterback. He's always been 1287 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 2: uber talented, you know, he's always had those traits to 1288 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,120 Speaker 2: excel the football team. And so again I'm just super happy. 1289 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,280 Speaker 2: But like what you're saying about him, not complaining him, 1290 01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,920 Speaker 2: not you know, saying this and that, Like that's what 1291 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,520 Speaker 2: makes him pretty cool. He's a Detroit line like he's 1292 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 2: he's he's that, Like he's embodied what the city's about. 1293 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 2: And I think the toughness and everything that he's endured, 1294 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,080 Speaker 2: and i think everybody just has a lot more appreciation 1295 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,040 Speaker 2: about him. Man. Again, i think we'll be even better 1296 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 2: offensively this year coming up. And I'm just I'm excited 1297 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:25,880 Speaker 2: about it. 1298 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 1: All Right, we've been on for over now, we're going 1299 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,160 Speaker 1: to wrap it here one last Yeah, it's been amazing. 1300 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:31,960 Speaker 1: I could do I could honestly do an audiobook with 1301 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: you for six hours. I'm loving this. I want to 1302 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,759 Speaker 1: talk about Tavon Austin. I want to talk about Steedman Bailey. 1303 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I want to go I want to go deep. I 1304 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: want to go deep, dude, I want to talk about 1305 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 1: what that was Another one of. 1306 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 2: Those drafts though, man like that twenty thirteen drafts. 1307 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Man, I know I want to talk Toby Dress for 1308 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,000 Speaker 1: the next hour with you. Let's wrap it with this. 1309 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,760 Speaker 1: Lions fans listening. This is the first time in two 1310 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: decades I'd say that they actually have a little pep 1311 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: in their step and there's actual some national media attention 1312 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: saying the Lions could be the team. I know you're 1313 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 1: excited with what you've built. What would be your message 1314 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: to Lions fans as we head towards the start a 1315 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,200 Speaker 1: training camp. 1316 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,080 Speaker 2: You know, just continue to stick with us and just 1317 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 2: continue to know that we're not done yet, and just 1318 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,400 Speaker 2: know that we're always gonna work hard, keep our pedal 1319 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,400 Speaker 2: to the metal, is going to stay aggressive. You know. 1320 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,320 Speaker 2: I love the fact that it's a lot of this 1321 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,120 Speaker 2: what they call buzz and hope, and I think this 1322 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,760 Speaker 2: fan base and our city deserves that just through all 1323 01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 2: that they've been through. But at the end of the day, 1324 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,000 Speaker 2: me and Dan know that, you know, we hadn't made 1325 01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,280 Speaker 2: the playoffs yet, and so that's that that's what has 1326 01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,719 Speaker 2: to be. We got to get in the dance and Uh, 1327 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 2: you know we we we have full faith and optimism 1328 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 2: that I think we have the right structure place, uh 1329 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,200 Speaker 2: that that we can we can get that done. But uh, 1330 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 2: we got to go out and improve it. And that's 1331 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,559 Speaker 2: that's how we're wired. We're we're all about accountability and 1332 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,720 Speaker 2: earning it and do it the right way. And that's 1333 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,640 Speaker 2: what the city of Detroit is. It's roll up to sleeves, 1334 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 2: get it done, no excuses, and just know that you 1335 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 2: know that your your your football team is doing the 1336 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,960 Speaker 2: exact same thing. And I think it's a lot of 1337 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,439 Speaker 2: reasons for the optimism and excitement, but I do think 1338 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 2: that you know, all the very healthy and all that. 1339 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,960 Speaker 2: I do think that the fans would be really excited. 1340 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: And first game Thursday night kickoffs. 1341 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Brad Holmes, this was awesome. 1342 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like we should do a weekly hour 1343 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 1: long show. 1344 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,559 Speaker 2: Oh this is awesome. I didn't even know it's an hour. 1345 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, you've been a good conversation. 1346 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Out the clocks. I love talking to you. I think 1347 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: you're great at what you do. But I really honestly 1348 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 1: think you've got great perspective, not only on football, but 1349 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,000 Speaker 1: on life. And it's cool your path man. I didn't 1350 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,920 Speaker 1: know the enterprise running car stuff, but it makes a 1351 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. Yeah, as well rounded a 1352 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,640 Speaker 1: guy as you'll meet in the NFL. I love you 1353 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:53,880 Speaker 1: coming on. Thanks so much for joining. 1354 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot. You do it the right way man. 1355 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,599 Speaker 2: I got a lot of respect for what you do. Man, 1356 01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:59,840 Speaker 2: And you know you. 1357 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,439 Speaker 1: Hey, I had I had Jack Campbell in my top 1358 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:11,479 Speaker 1: ten just so you know. In Brad Holmes, everybody thanks Brad. 1359 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:18,120 Speaker 1: All right, all right, So if you're listening to that, 1360 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,920 Speaker 1: you're like, all right, this is the guy. That's the guy. 1361 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 1: The Lions are in great hands. 1362 01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:21,679 Speaker 2: Aaron. 1363 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you had a great familiarity with 1364 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,280 Speaker 1: with Brad Holmes. Aaron Kaufman, my producer, your thoughts. 1365 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I love hearing his like his stories from 1366 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,120 Speaker 3: the draft room and and you know, it's such a 1367 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 3: real story. Everyone is talking about every pick and the 1368 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,880 Speaker 3: Lions in particular had so many comments that you every 1369 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,880 Speaker 3: draft pundit is talking about they took the wrong people 1370 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,519 Speaker 3: at each spot. And I love hearing him just being like, no, 1371 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,360 Speaker 3: this guy was was like you said, yeah, who we. 1372 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 1: Want Amble as a top fourteen guy, So screw it. 1373 01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:01,679 Speaker 1: We're taking him Enterprise rental car to working as a 1374 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,439 Speaker 1: as an assistant to the media coordinator with the Atlanta 1375 01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Hawks in a different sport, to working at the airport. 1376 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Like I hear that stuff and it's like, yeah, there's 1377 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,519 Speaker 1: there's it takes hard. 1378 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,200 Speaker 3: Work, yeah, yeah, and his resilience and like sticking with 1379 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,559 Speaker 3: it and just I also loved I was out in 1380 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 3: the field and I saw these guys that were over 1381 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 3: there helping with practice. 1382 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what are they? 1383 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:23,719 Speaker 2: Oh? 1384 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,759 Speaker 1: I want to be that. Yeah, Brad Holmes was awesome. 1385 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,080 Speaker 1: If you're listening and you're Alliance fan, I think you 1386 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:32,960 Speaker 1: got to feel pretty good. If you're not a Lions fan, 1387 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,479 Speaker 1: you gotta at least respect the hell of the guy 1388 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,840 Speaker 1: who's calling the shots in the front office. This is 1389 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,880 Speaker 1: the season with Peter Schrieger is what we do. We 1390 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 1: talk to men and women around the league and we 1391 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,640 Speaker 1: try to get them in a different light than you 1392 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: usually see in front of a press conference or at 1393 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,280 Speaker 1: a podium. It's produced by the great Aaron Wan Kaufman. 1394 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: I want to thank Chason English. 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