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Speaker 1: I'm just stopping my clinging clock. Did you hear it? Now?

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Speaker 1: Let it clan, let it chime, let it, let it chime.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about your new book, which

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Speaker 1: I am holding in my hot little hand. I got

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Speaker 1: an advanced copy of Unshakable. Yeah, it is Unshakable Hope,

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Speaker 1: and I just have to say I opened it up

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Speaker 1: maybe five pages, not even not even five pages, five

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Speaker 1: or ten paragraphs into Unshakable Hope, and I had that

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Speaker 1: physical sensation, Max, of my heart beating stronger, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that. I mean, you know, hope

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Speaker 1: h then we've done just such a great favor, one

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Speaker 1: at all. It's not that you're your gift of storytelling

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Speaker 1: that is easy to digest. It's like the albuticle from

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Speaker 1: Your gift of storytelling max makes us able to absorb

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Speaker 1: the wisdom. Well, I really appreciate that. I really do.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, I've I love to tell stories,

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Speaker 1: Uh And and so every week I I do what

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Speaker 1: there's about seven thousand promises of God in the Bible.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's going to be easy and and

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Speaker 1: Unshakable Hope, your new book, um, I'm going to do that.

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Speaker 1: been saved by unshakable hope. Unshakable hope, You're a special,

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Speaker 1: but I've been listening to you, Kyle. They I don't

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Speaker 1: longer I've been on the air, Max. This September will

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Speaker 1: be forty four years. How could that be if you're

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Speaker 1: does come in all right, Max. Thank you, God bless

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Speaker 1: unshakable hope. Thank you so much. You have a great day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, honey,