Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D
Speaker 1: audio for full exposure listen with headphones. So many questions occurred.
Speaker 1: Do they believe in a supreme being? What's their intelligence level?
Speaker 1: What's their average lifespan? It's approximately three fifty four hundred
Speaker 1: earth years. It's my understanding that aliens have an IQ
Speaker 1: of over two hundred. They have a revision, but it's
Speaker 1: a universal revision. They believe in the universe as a
Speaker 1: supreme being. The aliens enjoyed music, all types of music,
Speaker 1: especially ancient Tibetan style music. We ask about their diet
Speaker 1: and you eat vegetables. They like vegetables, and their favorite
Speaker 1: dish or snack is ice cream, especially strawberry. On October four,
Speaker 1: Mike Ferrell, best known as Matches B. J. Huneycutt, hosted
Speaker 1: a very strange television show called UFO Cover Up Live.
Speaker 1: The show purported to be a revelatory look into what
Speaker 1: the US government and the Soviet Union, among others, knew
Speaker 1: about UFOs. It took the form of a series of
Speaker 1: apparently rehearsed sit down interviews between Ferrell and various UFO investigators,
Speaker 1: including Bill Moore and a couple of supposed government insiders
Speaker 1: who were hidden in shadows and spoke with distorted voices.
Speaker 1: It was the culmination of a year's long effort by
Speaker 1: the government to introduce new narratives into the UFO community.
Speaker 1: I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode eleven,
Speaker 1: The Rumor Equation. In the late nineteen seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: the Air Force Office of Special Investigations employed Richard Doughty
Speaker 1: to spread disinformation within the UFO community. The result was
Speaker 1: not only to cause confusion at the time, but also
Speaker 1: to create new aspects and strains in the developing UFO folklore.
Speaker 1: One of the striking features of the misinformation was just
Speaker 1: how outlandish the stories were. In the last episode, we
Speaker 1: heard about Paul Benowits being fed information that led him
Speaker 1: to believe that hostile aliens were based around and under
Speaker 1: Archiletta Mesa and that they posed a threat to humanity.
Speaker 1: During this episode, we'll learn about another bold misinformation campaign,
Speaker 1: and it raises the question why was the government trying
Speaker 1: to convince people of such outrageous stories. Wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: better to spend something a little more restrained. Utah State
Speaker 1: Folklore Professor Lynn McNeil. There's actually a really cool, old
Speaker 1: old study that was done by some psychologists looking at
Speaker 1: rumor and how rumor works in folk cours know that
Speaker 1: rumor and legend are really similar, and they came up
Speaker 1: with what they called the rumor equation. And no, this
Speaker 1: is not deeply scientific, but it's pretty revealing when we
Speaker 1: think about it. What they said was that the reach
Speaker 1: of any rumor, the power of a rumor, the spread
Speaker 1: of it, is equal to the topics importance multiplied by
Speaker 1: its ambiguity. If we have a topic to us that's
Speaker 1: incredibly important, but we have all the info, but we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. There's gonna be new stories
Speaker 1: about it, but we're kind of gonna rest easy. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, Okay, really important, Thank goodness, we know
Speaker 1: every thing. If we have a topic that's incredibly ambiguous
Speaker 1: but we don't really care, then we're sort of like, whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't need to know, it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 1: The minute you start that multiplying, exponential growth of something
Speaker 1: that is both unbelievably important. So of course we can
Speaker 1: use this as a barometer for our culture. Right what
Speaker 1: has always been important to us, our military security, the
Speaker 1: lives and safety of our children, our personal health, anti violence,
Speaker 1: anti crime, things like that, plus or multiplied by this
Speaker 1: question of ambiguity. I don't have the answers. I don't
Speaker 1: know the answers. It's possible someone is trying to keep
Speaker 1: the answers from me. You put those things together, and
Speaker 1: you are just asking for a wildfire spread of rumor
Speaker 1: of legend of conspiracy theory. So, in fact, a story
Speaker 1: with outsized implications would be more effective than a more
Speaker 1: restrained one that on its face might seem more plausible.
Speaker 1: And that's important to keep in mind as we look
Speaker 1: at the effort by Richard Doughty and others to feed
Speaker 1: information into the world of UFO believers through, in particular,
Speaker 1: a man named Bill Moore. You may remember Bill Moore
Speaker 1: from the last couple of episodes. He was one of
Speaker 1: the researchers for and authors of the Roswell Incident, which
Speaker 1: brought the Roswell crash story back to the public after
Speaker 1: years of being ignored. He was also the person that
Speaker 1: Doughty used to pass a memo to Paul Benewitz that
Speaker 1: contained allusions to Project Aquarius and m J twelve, which
Speaker 1: we will hear more about in this episode, but his
Speaker 1: relationship with Doughty predates the Benewit's affair. Here's Rich you're Doughty. Well,
Speaker 1: Bill Moore came to my attention and something that was
Speaker 1: entirely different than a UFO matter. Bill wasn't providing any
Speaker 1: secret or classified information. He had a contact with a
Speaker 1: person inside the Soviet Union who worked for the Russian
Speaker 1: Academy of Science, and the government was interested in that
Speaker 1: particular scientists for a number of different reasons. So the
Speaker 1: idea was to make a contact through Bill to try
Speaker 1: to get this uh scientists as a cooperating person for
Speaker 1: the United States government, and it actually worked out well
Speaker 1: for the government. During this time, according to Doughty, Moore
Speaker 1: was also telling him information about two civilian UFO research organizations,
Speaker 1: a PRO and mouf On, and this information was apparently
Speaker 1: of some interest to the government. But then in the
Speaker 1: meantime Bill wrote the book about Roswell, where with Blitz.
Speaker 1: The book contained about six of what Bill had gathered.
Speaker 1: There's a large portion of his research that was never published. Well,
Speaker 1: we were interested in what he didn't publish, and Bill
Speaker 1: was open to us, and he provided that information to
Speaker 1: us and a lot of that information pertained to secretive
Speaker 1: things that Bill had learned during his time researching it.
Speaker 1: So here things get a little tricky because the account
Speaker 1: we have of how More got involved in the business
Speaker 1: of passing what he believed to be secret government information
Speaker 1: back to the UFO community doesn't quite square with what
Speaker 1: we just heard from Doughty. Author Greg Bishop is a
Speaker 1: friend of Moore's. He wrote the book Project Beta about
Speaker 1: Doughty's operations involving Bennewitz and More. Here he talks about
Speaker 1: how More came to be recruited into this effort. He
Speaker 1: got involved because he wrote the Roswell Incident. Him and
Speaker 1: Charles Burretts actually did most of the research, and Charles
Speaker 1: Burletts form a triangle guy, did most of the writing.
Speaker 1: And anyway, so More was doing interviews about the book.
Speaker 1: He was on a book tour and somebody called him
Speaker 1: at one of the radio stations and said, you're the
Speaker 1: only person that seems to know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: We'd like to meet with you. And this this is
Speaker 1: the second time it happened. The first time he said,
Speaker 1: I can't meet with anybody. I'm going to my next
Speaker 1: book stop. And this time he was an Albuquerque. He
Speaker 1: said he did have a day so he met this
Speaker 1: person turned out to be Falcon, as he's known in
Speaker 1: the book. Um. That was a name that More and
Speaker 1: his partner gave to these people. More in his partner,
Speaker 1: a man named Jamie Shanderay, gave code names based on
Speaker 1: birds to the different people from the government that they
Speaker 1: dealt with. This will become a little complicated later when
Speaker 1: more than one person will be known as Falcon. But
Speaker 1: at this point, the guy named Falcon is not Richard Dody.
Speaker 1: We don't, in fact know for sure who it was.
Speaker 1: They just called at the aviary and gave all the
Speaker 1: people they had contacts with bird names so that they
Speaker 1: could talk about them on the phone to People wouldn't
Speaker 1: know who they were talking about if they were listening
Speaker 1: in on the phone. Here's Bill Moore on the show
Speaker 1: UFO Cover Up Live talking about his recruitment. I got
Speaker 1: a phone call after appearing on a radio show from
Speaker 1: a man who said, you're the only person we've heard
Speaker 1: talk about this subject who seems to know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. He convinced me that he was a government
Speaker 1: intelligence agent and wanted to begin disseminating some information about
Speaker 1: UFOs to the public and the man Bill is referring
Speaker 1: to his Falcon whom we've seen in shadow to protect
Speaker 1: his identity. That's right. I didn't think that I could
Speaker 1: handle it all alone. The volume of material I was
Speaker 1: getting from Falcon was rather mind boggling. So I got
Speaker 1: together with Jamie. Jamie is fellow UFO researcher Jamie Shandray.
Speaker 1: This government intelligence agent offered More an arrangement. Other UFO
Speaker 1: researchers were interested in things around military basis. So what
Speaker 1: they told More was, if you could a tab on
Speaker 1: what people are talking about and what information is going
Speaker 1: through the uf OL community, so we know who knows what,
Speaker 1: then we will give you information basically what everybody says.
Speaker 1: It's disclosure. They said they'd give him official government documents
Speaker 1: on UFOs, so he said, yeah, sure, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: It's not entirely clear who first met with More, but
Speaker 1: Richard Doughty became his handler. More was valuable because he
Speaker 1: was a respected UFO investigator who had worked with the
Speaker 1: two main civilian UFO groups, a Pro and Moufon. Bill
Speaker 1: had a both feet right in in with these groups.
Speaker 1: He was trusted and so Bill agreed to provide us
Speaker 1: information that the UFO groups were gathering. And I would
Speaker 1: say most of the information that was provided to us
Speaker 1: with mundane stuff that we weren't really interested in. But
Speaker 1: there was some information that was being gathered by the
Speaker 1: new Found groups, a new Found or appro group that
Speaker 1: was of interest to the government, and it pertained to sightings.
Speaker 1: People who were reported sightings, sightings that were never publicized,
Speaker 1: people who would report a sighting or a close encounter
Speaker 1: that occurred at a certain place, and we were interested
Speaker 1: in those cases because of connections with research, whether it
Speaker 1: was maybe one of our craft's highly classified craft that
Speaker 1: was being seen at certain locations, or just keeping track
Speaker 1: of what the et s are doing. This is an
Speaker 1: interesting comment from Dodi. The first part seems reasonable that
Speaker 1: the government was trying to determine whether UFO researchers were
Speaker 1: observing secret military projects, and then at the end he
Speaker 1: suggests that they were also trying to keep tabs on
Speaker 1: what aliens were up to. At the risk of stating
Speaker 1: the obvious, the two reasons for government is given here
Speaker 1: range wildly in terms of plausibility, and this is where
Speaker 1: again I'll remind everyone that Richard Doughty is a former
Speaker 1: professional counterintelligence agent. He spread misinformation for a living, and
Speaker 1: I feel pretty sure he did during our conversations. I
Speaker 1: don't think it makes sense to put much stock in
Speaker 1: anything he says. But what he says is interesting, even
Speaker 1: if it's not literally true. George Mason University Professor Deborah L.
Speaker 1: Tanzi Shutika, even if a story, even if you're conmpletely
Speaker 1: convinced that someone is lying to you, when someone tells
Speaker 1: you a story, I think that the important thing to
Speaker 1: consider is, you know, like, why are they telling this
Speaker 1: particular story? What does this communicate about them? Their community, um,
Speaker 1: their belief system, et cetera. Our job is to analyze,
Speaker 1: like their ability as a storyteller. You know, are they
Speaker 1: a good story toller? Are they engaging? You know, are
Speaker 1: they able to hold their audience? Folkloreists are here to
Speaker 1: judge the quality, context, and content of a story, more
Speaker 1: and more interested in the event itself as an event
Speaker 1: and what it communicates about the people and their community.
Speaker 1: When you're part of a community, you're going to have
Speaker 1: developed a repertoire of stories that are part of that
Speaker 1: communal folklore. Right. It's like almost like when Christians have
Speaker 1: conversion experiences. All those stories kind of have similar elements
Speaker 1: that have been refined by the experience of being in
Speaker 1: the community. So what's interesting to think about as we
Speaker 1: listen to Richard Doughty is this we know that he
Speaker 1: was spreading stories to make UFO researchers believe that they
Speaker 1: were on the trail of actual aliens rather than secret
Speaker 1: defense projects. Why tell the particular stories that he did.
Speaker 1: What does that tell us about the beliefs of the
Speaker 1: UFO community and what they were willing to accept into
Speaker 1: the developing UFO folklore. With add in mind, here's Richard
Speaker 1: Doughty again. The government knew, at least at the briefing
Speaker 1: I was given in Night, that Earth has been visited.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had two crafts, we had alien bodies.
Speaker 1: We had one alien that was alive telling us different things,
Speaker 1: briefing us about his society, his planet. So we knew.
Speaker 1: The government knew that Earth has been had been visited.
Speaker 1: Now since seventy eight, I had received knowledge of other
Speaker 1: e t races that had been visiting Earth that didn't
Speaker 1: come until later. So that wasn't a surprise to the
Speaker 1: government in the military and intelligence community, because we knew it.
Speaker 1: That information just never got out to the public, I
Speaker 1: mean officially. The reason is that a lot of the
Speaker 1: information that was coming through the UFO community pertained to
Speaker 1: classified projects that we were working on. Some might have
Speaker 1: been reverse engineering of an alien craft, or some might
Speaker 1: be our own craft that we developed. Doty says he
Speaker 1: wasn't briefed on the technological origins of these projects. He
Speaker 1: also says he witnessed some strange things. I saw some
Speaker 1: things fly at Area fifty ones that were probably not
Speaker 1: from this Earth, but that wasn't the information that they
Speaker 1: wanted to get back from more. But what Bill was
Speaker 1: reporting to us were mostly incidents involving our crafts, highly
Speaker 1: classified crafts such as the F one seventeen, the Aurora,
Speaker 1: some highly classified drones that we had back then, and
Speaker 1: people were seeing these things and reporting of and as UFOs,
Speaker 1: which in fact they were post of the Skeptoid podcast
Speaker 1: Brian Dunning. Back in the days of the Cold War,
Speaker 1: the U S was developing things like the U two,
Speaker 1: the S R seventy one, and then the most significantly,
Speaker 1: the F one seventeen, a stealth fighter, and the Air
Speaker 1: Force had very legitimate security concerns about not letting the
Speaker 1: Soviets find out about these programs. And yet on the
Speaker 1: mountaintops around every Air Force base in the US were
Speaker 1: these groups of UFO researchers with their telescopes trained at
Speaker 1: the base who believed, for whatever reason, that the UFOs
Speaker 1: hiding aliens or or whatever it was, here's these UFO
Speaker 1: researchers watching the Air Force. The Air Force had, I
Speaker 1: believe a legitimate concern that these UFO researchers might get
Speaker 1: a real photo of an F one seventen, which then might,
Speaker 1: by being published wherever, fall into the hands of the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. And what we had to do was we
Speaker 1: had to convince through Bill that what they were seeing
Speaker 1: was hey UFOs and not some highly classified government craft.
Speaker 1: You might call that disinformation. We call it counterintelligence, and
Speaker 1: that's part of it what Bill was doing. They were
Speaker 1: giving information about the government's dealings with alien races in
Speaker 1: exchange for information about the movements of these UFO groups
Speaker 1: and whether there might be any Soviet agents infiltrating them,
Speaker 1: because realistically, it does make sense that Soviet agents would
Speaker 1: infiltrate UFO groups if they were doing things like getting
Speaker 1: on mountaintops and actually getting footage of F one S
Speaker 1: stealth fighters right that that actually makes sense. It was very,
Speaker 1: very very easy. I gotta remember every member or most
Speaker 1: members of the UFO community, where if you wanted to
Speaker 1: try to convince them of something, you did just had
Speaker 1: to plant an idea to with him because they were
Speaker 1: already believers. It wasn't very difficult to do that. And
Speaker 1: that was a type of information that we wanted the
Speaker 1: UFO group to spread within to keep away from the
Speaker 1: fact that that craft was really a highly classified US
Speaker 1: government craft and it's it's a form of counterintelligence. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't difficult to do. I mean we didn't have
Speaker 1: to go through any elaborate means to do it. We
Speaker 1: had just had to tell somebody that was a UFO
Speaker 1: and they would believe it. In addition to the exchange
Speaker 1: of information and disinformation, a second strange effort was undertaken
Speaker 1: that created a narrative of incredible scope, an effort that
Speaker 1: would bring more and Shanda Ray deeper into the government's
Speaker 1: campaign against the UFO community after the break. Remember in
Speaker 1: the last episode, Bill Moore passed Paul Benowit's a doctored
Speaker 1: memo that included references to Project Aquarius and a group
Speaker 1: called m J twelve. That was the first known mention
Speaker 1: of these two elements of what would become a much
Speaker 1: larger narrative. The second part came with the delivery of
Speaker 1: a package to Jamie Schanderrey Greg Bishop. He was set
Speaker 1: this package with the Eisenhower briefing document in which everybody
Speaker 1: knows about now Brian Dunning. The background on that is
Speaker 1: the m J twelve, Majestic twelve the full name. It's
Speaker 1: a document, it's about three page is long. What it
Speaker 1: purports to be is a letter. It's a memo written
Speaker 1: by the Director of the CIA in nineteen fifty two
Speaker 1: and addressed to President Eisenhower, and what it's doing is
Speaker 1: advising him of the existence of this group called Majestic twelve,
Speaker 1: which is twelve scientists and military officials who were assembled
Speaker 1: in ninety seven after the Roswell landing crash from the
Speaker 1: TV special UFO cover Up Live. This is the man
Speaker 1: code named Falcon. He is presenting this information about m
Speaker 1: J twelve as facts that he knows. As an intelligence operative.
Speaker 1: M J twelve was a group of people with the government.
Speaker 1: MJ TWOB was created by President Truman, then their job
Speaker 1: was to investigate the track of information pretending to UFOs.
Speaker 1: Part of their job was scientific a maanscements, but the
Speaker 1: primary purpose was to keep track of the information coming
Speaker 1: in on the UFOs and to analyze the information, both
Speaker 1: scientifically and in a way that would advance our technology.
Speaker 1: There are government officials and elected officials that are thematically
Speaker 1: brief in the existence of the m J twelve activities.
Speaker 1: These officials include the President, the Vice President, as elected officials,
Speaker 1: the Director of Central Intelligence, and the director of their
Speaker 1: national security agency. The m j Twealth Policy is headquartered
Speaker 1: the Naval Observatory in Washington, d C. The United States
Speaker 1: Navy has the primary operational responsibilities of field activities relating
Speaker 1: to the end AH world policies. All information gathering in
Speaker 1: the field, not necessarily by Navy personnel, is transmitted to
Speaker 1: the Navy for analysis. Other known government agencies feed information
Speaker 1: to m J twelve through a top secret cover project
Speaker 1: known to US his Project Aquarius. That was Bill Moore
Speaker 1: on the same program. Chandore wasn't the only person to
Speaker 1: receive those documents more and at least one other researcher
Speaker 1: did as well, but Shandera was the first to publicize them.
Speaker 1: That original memo that came out and was sent out
Speaker 1: both to a. Bill Moore and Jamie Schanderrey and Toothy
Speaker 1: Good in Britain. In fact, they were forced to release
Speaker 1: it because they said, if you sit on this any longer,
Speaker 1: Tim Good is going to release it and you won't
Speaker 1: get any credit. So I think at the national UOFO
Speaker 1: conference in Burbank here in El l a and the
Speaker 1: early eighties, they introduced the MJ twelve documents and said
Speaker 1: they didn't know if they're real or not, but the
Speaker 1: thought that probably they were. So somebody was sending this
Speaker 1: to UFO authors, not to scientists, not to reporters, not
Speaker 1: to anyone with any kind of mainstream credibility, but to
Speaker 1: UFO authors. They were hoping that someone would publish this
Speaker 1: in the UFO literature. So once it appeared with Jamie Schandra,
Speaker 1: Jamie Schandra developed the film, looked at the pages, shared
Speaker 1: it with some of his other UFO buddies, and it
Speaker 1: kind of entered the pop culture at that point. So
Speaker 1: if we can accept that that is the correct history
Speaker 1: of what happened, in my opinion, based on the research
Speaker 1: that I've done, I do accept that that's the correct
Speaker 1: history of where it happened. It did show up at
Speaker 1: multiple people's doorstep with no known origin. Nobody knows who
Speaker 1: sent it, so who wrote it? Who was trying to
Speaker 1: get information out to UFO authors? Well, if some real information,
Speaker 1: they're the last people in the world you would have
Speaker 1: sent it to, Right, you would have sent it to
Speaker 1: someone with a little bit more credibility. You've given it
Speaker 1: to The New York Times. I think the default assumption
Speaker 1: is that it's a forgery, reasonably obviously, the question is
Speaker 1: who forged it. As the years went on, at this
Speaker 1: point More it's not pretty much convinced. He is convinced
Speaker 1: that it was totally posed, but at the time more
Speaker 1: shander Ray and others had not reached that conclusion. They
Speaker 1: researched the original documents in great detail and discovered others,
Speaker 1: generally with the help of cryptic clues pointing them in
Speaker 1: the direction of documents that seemed likely to have been
Speaker 1: planted Jamie Chander Ray and Bill Moore. And then they
Speaker 1: were follow up postcards ethiopenial picture postcards mailed from New
Speaker 1: Zealand with puzzles and riddles. Right, the puzzles were clues
Speaker 1: for example for a stylish loop shop simp Land. This
Speaker 1: at us to the National Repository in Suitland, Maryland, where
Speaker 1: we discovered the existence of top secret documents and filed
Speaker 1: the freedom of information request, which led us further to
Speaker 1: the Coupler Twining document. Legendary UFO researcher Stanton Friedman had
Speaker 1: worked with Bill Moore on the investigation into the Roswell crash,
Speaker 1: and he again worked with more on trying to verify
Speaker 1: the legitimacy of the m J twelve documents. Here he
Speaker 1: is talking about this treasure hunt in the government files.
Speaker 1: You'll notice a slight difference in where these files were
Speaker 1: actually found. My colleague has got some postcards, crazy postcards
Speaker 1: talking about going to Washington. They've gotten a postcard and
Speaker 1: said from box one something like that, I place in
Speaker 1: New Zealand, crazy place more in Chanderay went to Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. To see what they could find. But when
Speaker 1: they got there, I had been told that they were
Speaker 1: declassifying the Air Force Headquarters files. They went to those
Speaker 1: and they found this document between pages and folded up
Speaker 1: as if it had been in somebody's pocket. And it
Speaker 1: was in box one, which is quite unexpected. Anyway. It's
Speaker 1: just a brief note, but it says NSC National Security
Speaker 1: Council m J twelve Special Studies Project, and the name
Speaker 1: on it is Robert Cutler. He was Ike's Special Assistant
Speaker 1: to the President for National security. And he's just telling
Speaker 1: General Twining that a meeting will take place during an
Speaker 1: a race scheduled meeting instead of after it as originally
Speaker 1: instructed to it. This is the Cutler Twining document that
Speaker 1: More mentioned earlier. It is generally considered to be another forgery.
Speaker 1: More eventually wrote a book called the m J twelve Documents.
Speaker 1: It's about a hundred pages long. It's just an analysis
Speaker 1: of all the documents that he got that he could
Speaker 1: talk about or thought that we're promising, and then a
Speaker 1: great as to whether he thought they were imminist partners,
Speaker 1: that they were real or not, and half for more
Speaker 1: of them they said, you know, probably not real or
Speaker 1: not not enough information to tell. But at this point
Speaker 1: he says, no, I don't think there's anything real to
Speaker 1: it at all. It's the actual people in it, because
Speaker 1: those people, of course did exists, and the Majestic twelve
Speaker 1: people were supposedly in contact with the aliens and knew
Speaker 1: all about them and everything. And so once this document
Speaker 1: came out, which didn't happen until that has sort of
Speaker 1: become a foundational document for many of the in the
Speaker 1: UFO community who believed that this serves as a flute
Speaker 1: proof that the government not only knows about alien contact
Speaker 1: but maintains active diplomatic relations which them. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the story of m J twelve, But it's still with us,
Speaker 1: and people still believe that that's a real group that
Speaker 1: has some kind of per view over UFO information. And
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, it's just some group that
Speaker 1: somebody in the government somewhere decided that they want UFO
Speaker 1: researchers to think had some activity with the subject. I'm
Speaker 1: concerned that's not true. It's just a red herring. An
Speaker 1: outcome of the MJ twelve documents initiative was UFO Cover
Speaker 1: Up Live, which we've heard from in this episode. Among
Speaker 1: other things, the show covered m J twelve talked to
Speaker 1: Soviet scientists, and featured two alleged government insiders who are
Speaker 1: filmed in shadow and had their voices altered. On this
Speaker 1: bizarre program, the advanced UFO and alien storylines to a
Speaker 1: television audience. This excerpt starts with host Mike Farrell asking
Speaker 1: the man known as Falcon about extraterrestrials. We asked, Falcon,
Speaker 1: where do you found out so much about extraterrestrial biological
Speaker 1: entities or e v s. This book, or all the
Speaker 1: Bible within the m G Wall community contains historically everything
Speaker 1: that occurred from the Truman era helped through the Three
Speaker 1: Aliens being Yes the City, United States government, technological data
Speaker 1: gathered from the aliens, medical history gathered from the aliens,
Speaker 1: and we're found in the desert, autopsy information gathered from
Speaker 1: dead aliens found in the deserts, and information obtained from
Speaker 1: the extra terrestrials regarding their social structure and their information
Speaker 1: pertaining to universe? Was there an additional source of information? Presently,
Speaker 1: as of the United eighty eight, there is one extra
Speaker 1: terrestrial being. He's a guest of the United States Government
Speaker 1: and he's remained hidden from public view. The Yellow Book
Speaker 1: is a book that was exclusively written by the Second Alien.
Speaker 1: The book relates to the Aliens, planet, solar system sons,
Speaker 1: the culture and society make up on the planet, the
Speaker 1: social structure of aliens and aliens, life among Brothleys, now
Speaker 1: Condor tells us about a deal our government made with
Speaker 1: the aliens from what he understands, and the green sign
Speaker 1: between our our US government and the extra astrials, and
Speaker 1: there's such an agreement says that we won't disclow your
Speaker 1: existence if you do not, and we allow you to
Speaker 1: operate from the designated baser. United States gets in the
Speaker 1: state of the Veta in an area called think back
Speaker 1: to last episode and Paul Bennowitz's Project Beta report that
Speaker 1: includes his warnings about the dangers of signing a treaty
Speaker 1: with the aliens. Two people in the UFO community familiar
Speaker 1: with that storyline this exchange both supports and expands on it. Anyway.
Speaker 1: The man in the shadows during this show, who has
Speaker 1: identified as Falcon, is thought by many people to be
Speaker 1: Richard Doughty. He's even listened as such on the IMDb website. Doughty, however,
Speaker 1: disputes this number one. I wasn't that wasn't me. I
Speaker 1: wasn't on that program. No, but I had some meetings
Speaker 1: with the producers of that program, and they wanted me
Speaker 1: to come on in uniform. They wanted me to come
Speaker 1: on and disguise. They wanted me I refused to, but
Speaker 1: I was busy. I was someplace entirely different at that
Speaker 1: time period, but people claimed it was me. He does
Speaker 1: think though, that people within the government were involved and
Speaker 1: that they saw this as a way to potentially get
Speaker 1: information to the public. I think the producer wanted and
Speaker 1: I think maybe somebody within the government wanted disclosure, some
Speaker 1: sort of a disclosure, and that's why they were helpful
Speaker 1: in this program UFOL Alive. Moore's involvement with the government's
Speaker 1: efforts to spread disinformation in the UFO community ended in
Speaker 1: spectacular fashion at a high profile UFO conference in greg
Speaker 1: Bishop was a friend of Moore's at this point and
Speaker 1: attended the conference. I'd only known him a couple of
Speaker 1: years up to that point, but he said, you know,
Speaker 1: you're going to the moulf On conference. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I can. And I didn't even have enough
Speaker 1: money to fly there. I had to take a bus
Speaker 1: from l A to Las Vegas and staying at the
Speaker 1: cheapest hotel I could find, and then I would just
Speaker 1: you know, I would walk or I don't know, take
Speaker 1: a cab or something over to the hotel. With here
Speaker 1: having a convention anyway, I wanted to go because he said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock everybody sucks off, he said, and I said,
Speaker 1: was what I don't want to tell you. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell me. He didn't tell anybody. I don't think. He
Speaker 1: called me and told me that he was going to
Speaker 1: make this speech. I was there. He toned it down,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, of what his original idea was.
Speaker 1: I told him, you gotta be careful what you say, Bill,
Speaker 1: So he toned it down somewhat, but it was an
Speaker 1: earth shaking speech within the UFO community that he had
Speaker 1: been working for the government for years. He was like
Speaker 1: the featured speaker on Saturday Night, which is basically, you know,
Speaker 1: the one that everybody wants to see, the last speaker
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night. There was no place to sit. When
Speaker 1: I got there was like standing room only in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably thousand people. Big room, really big room.
Speaker 1: Bill Moore got up to speaking. He started describing what
Speaker 1: happened with Benewitz while he was doing what he was doing.
Speaker 1: His speech, which had originally been built as addressing revelations
Speaker 1: from his MJ twelve investigations, instead was a nearly ninety
Speaker 1: minute account of his arrangement with the government, his work
Speaker 1: with Doughty, and what this all meant for the UFO community.
Speaker 1: This is an exerpt from that speech in which he
Speaker 1: publicly talks about his work with the government to give
Speaker 1: disinformation to Paul Benowitz. It's read by an actor. As
Speaker 1: I've already stated, I was personally aware of the intelligence
Speaker 1: community's concerted efforts to systematically confused, use, discourage, and discredit
Speaker 1: Paul by providing him with a large body of disinformation
Speaker 1: on the subject of UFOs, the malevolent aliens who allegedly
Speaker 1: pilot them, the technology, the employee, and the underground basis
Speaker 1: they supposedly possess and occupy. The entire story of a
Speaker 1: secret treaty between the US government and the aliens, of
Speaker 1: exchange of technology between US and the aliens, of battles
Speaker 1: between aliens and American armed forces, and of aliens allegedly
Speaker 1: having implanted hundreds of thousands, even millions of human beings
Speaker 1: for the purpose of taking over the world and using
Speaker 1: us as cattle or slaves. Came about as a result
Speaker 1: of this process. I know because I was in a
Speaker 1: position to observe much of this process as it unfolded
Speaker 1: and I was providing regular reports on its effectiveness to
Speaker 1: some of the very people who were doing it to Paul.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that it was effective because
Speaker 1: I watched Paul become systematically more paranoid and more emotionally
Speaker 1: unstable as he tried to assimilate what was happening to him.
Speaker 1: He had to stop probably five six, eight times, so
Speaker 1: people had calmed down and stopped yelling at it, and
Speaker 1: I kind of just stood there watching the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I didn't know people were so passionate
Speaker 1: about this. I had just got back into the subject
Speaker 1: after not really being into it since I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: And here I am in my early twenties, very early twenties,
Speaker 1: standing there watching the circus and watching people getting so
Speaker 1: upset that wow, um this this is amazing. For the
Speaker 1: question and answer, he he provided his own questions and answers.
Speaker 1: He didn't actually take questions from the audience because he
Speaker 1: realized it would just been chaos. Um it was anyway,
Speaker 1: don he was done, he ran out the back door,
Speaker 1: the door next to the stage. He didn't like stay
Speaker 1: around to ask a question, to answer any questions because
Speaker 1: he knew it had just been he would have been
Speaker 1: mobbed and maybe, uh, I don't know, maybe worse. It
Speaker 1: was just that revelation of that he had been working
Speaker 1: with the government, because according to them, was the enemy,
Speaker 1: the enemy of view awful researchers, the government and its
Speaker 1: cover ups and the fact that he had cooperated with
Speaker 1: them just drove them nuts. And I think that well,
Speaker 1: that did him. Uh, it took him away from any
Speaker 1: credibility within the Ufol community. He stayed within. He did
Speaker 1: a lot of things on his own for a number
Speaker 1: of years, publishing what he thought was the truth. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was a a gut wrenching speech for a
Speaker 1: lot of people within the Ufo community. Two people in
Speaker 1: the Ufo community. More speech not only revealed that he
Speaker 1: had worked with the government to undermine the work of investigators,
Speaker 1: it also let them know that the stories that they
Speaker 1: believed described the reality of the Ufo situation were in
Speaker 1: fact of fiction, created by the government and funneled through More.
Speaker 1: To them, the process they had been a part of
Speaker 1: was not government disclosure but instead folklore creation. In the end,
Speaker 1: the campaign by the government through the Air Force Office
Speaker 1: of Special Investigations against the Ufo community can best be
Speaker 1: seen as a small part of a much larger counterintelligence
Speaker 1: effort against our national rivals during the Cold War. People
Speaker 1: don't realize that that was part of a huge operation
Speaker 1: having to do with trying to find out who from Russia, China,
Speaker 1: anybody else was was watching our military projects, who was
Speaker 1: watching how they were getting the information they were getting.
Speaker 1: They're trying to actually just map all these networks of
Speaker 1: spies and espionage people, just trying to find out you know.
Speaker 1: One of the avenues they used was talking to UFO researchers.
Speaker 1: I'm a UFO researcher from Russia. Did you tell me
Speaker 1: what what you're working on? And it could be something
Speaker 1: around a military base, So anyway there, that's what they
Speaker 1: were worried about. They didn't care about UFOs. What they
Speaker 1: cared about in this operation was who knows what and
Speaker 1: how is that information getting out? And in some cases
Speaker 1: they wanted to map these uh networks because they wanted
Speaker 1: to start throwing crap in the in the water, just
Speaker 1: start throwing junk out their disinformation to Russians and Chinese
Speaker 1: and whoever else was looking at our stuff because they
Speaker 1: could it's like, Okay, this person talks to this person,
Speaker 1: this person. This is the direct direct line into you know,
Speaker 1: the KGB. And so if we tell them something and
Speaker 1: it has some plausibility to it, it will get to
Speaker 1: the KGB or the Kremlin. They'll be acting on on
Speaker 1: wrong information and it will miss less lead and missdirect them.
Speaker 1: There was a we call an annex, a part of
Speaker 1: a major operation or a war plan or something that
Speaker 1: was developed in Washington and the Pentagon, way above my
Speaker 1: pay grade. And I wasn't the only one doing this.
Speaker 1: There were a d twenty two other agents in the
Speaker 1: United States that we're working on the same thing I
Speaker 1: was doing. So it was just me, but it was
Speaker 1: following a plan. We were following a plan, and when
Speaker 1: these matters popped up, we would report it up the
Speaker 1: chain and chain of command. Messages would come down to
Speaker 1: us telling us to go ahead and nact, do follow
Speaker 1: this particular procedure and we and we did that. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't a single isolated incident or plan. This was
Speaker 1: happening all over the United States and probably other foreign
Speaker 1: countries too. Bill Moore told Greg Bishop about how he
Speaker 1: saw his role in this faster effort, which involves William Casey,
Speaker 1: the CIA director at the time, and Falcon the one
Speaker 1: who recruited him, not the one from the television show.
Speaker 1: What Bill told me, He said, imagine that it's a
Speaker 1: big play. And Richard Doughty is one of the bit players,
Speaker 1: and I'm one of the big players. And Bennewitz is
Speaker 1: a bit player in one scene in one part of
Speaker 1: the player of the movie or whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: there's a whole other player movie going on that as little,
Speaker 1: very little to do with what we're doing, but we're
Speaker 1: just tangentially connected with them. A giant show being. And
Speaker 1: he said, you know, and and Falcon was like, like
Speaker 1: the director of the play, but the producer was he said,
Speaker 1: was most likely William Casey. He said, if you look
Speaker 1: at it that way, William Casey's a producer, Falcon is
Speaker 1: a director, and Rick Dody and I and Ben and
Speaker 1: Woods are all just a little bit players in one
Speaker 1: little scene in this giant thing. To this point, in
Speaker 1: this season of Strange Arrivals, we've looked at how folklore
Speaker 1: was created through the Reyndels from Forest incident, how Alan
Speaker 1: Heinek and the Project Bluebook investigations created a narrative of
Speaker 1: government cover up, and now how the government itself fed
Speaker 1: storylines into the UFO community to ostensibly muddy the waters
Speaker 1: around military experimental aircraft. But there is another force that
Speaker 1: has shaped our understanding of UFOs, and like the government's
Speaker 1: disinformation operation, it both borrows from existing UFO folklore and
Speaker 1: creates new arratives. This force is popular culture. Okay, great, um,
Speaker 1: all right, well, why don't we just sort off? Could
Speaker 1: you introduce yourself? Chris Carter, best known as creator of
Speaker 1: the X Files, next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals
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