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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, Breakfast Club finish for.

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Speaker 2: Y'all done morning, everybody is DJ n V Jess hilarious,

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. Today.

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Speaker 2: We have our sisters Angela Raie and Miss Mimi Brown

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Speaker 2: joining us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, you got a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 2: We have Arokanna, US representative from California's seventeenth congressional district.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, I'm excited to be back. All right,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling feel good? I'm recovering from a cold,

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Speaker 1: but better Now, do you.

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Speaker 3: Feel like it's a target on you? Rol YaST of

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Speaker 3: all everything that you're doing well?

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Speaker 1: My guy said, I've taken on too many fights. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I took on uh the Epstein class. Absolutely, I've taken

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Speaker 1: on out.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you would have the Epstein file if

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Speaker 4: it wasn't for you know, the legislation that y'all implemented.

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Speaker 1: Now the survivors get the most credit. But then Massey

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Speaker 1: and I, you know, when we started that it was

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Speaker 1: way uphill and people thought we were crazy. So we've

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Speaker 1: taken on some very powerful people. Then I've taken on Apac.

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Speaker 1: They don't like me then I'm Massy and I are

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Speaker 1: doing the IROD War Powers Resolution this Thursday. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of the iradiate American community that's upset at

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Speaker 1: me because they want us to get into a war.

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Speaker 1: And then Bertie Sanders and I are talking about taxing millionaires,

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Speaker 1: so the billionaires are upset at me. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: some people say you picked too many fights at once,

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Speaker 1: but my view is we got to pick more fights

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Speaker 1: against the established class of this country. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I joke around because I'm not the most charismatic person,

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Speaker 1: but I say courage is the new charisma. What people

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Speaker 1: want is actual conviction, people who are going to stand

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Speaker 1: up for working class, middle class families against folks who

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Speaker 1: rigged the system.

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Speaker 5: Well, my first question is you talked about picking a

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Speaker 5: lot of fights. I think that that is important given

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Speaker 5: the fact that we're hearing over and over again that

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party writ large, especially in Congress, is not

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Speaker 5: picking enough fights. What was the intention behind working with

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Speaker 5: Codgerson Massy. Do you all see a growing portfolio of

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Speaker 5: how you all will work together or was this just

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Speaker 5: two people trying to do the right thing because that's

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Speaker 5: what the moment required.

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Speaker 1: We started out being against war. You know the famous line,

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Speaker 1: you got money for war but not for the poor. That'sac.

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Speaker 6: That's Tupac's quote modification.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I can't wrap, but I know thet I

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Speaker 1: know the basic lines, same thing. But Tupac said that

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Speaker 1: Dwight Isaenhower said that every dollars spent on a warship,

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Speaker 1: every dollar spent on a bomb, every dollar spent on

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Speaker 1: a missile is a dollar not being spent on a

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Speaker 1: school or a hospital. And this country keeps voting for

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Speaker 1: people who say they're not going to get us into war,

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Speaker 1: and they keep getting us into wars both sides. We

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Speaker 1: got into Iraq, I was opposed to it. We got

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Speaker 1: a war with Yemen. I was opposed to it, as

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Speaker 1: was Thomas Massey. And we don't want to get into

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Speaker 1: billions of our dollars in our service members dying in Iran.

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Speaker 1: So Thomas Massey and I started out this year working

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Speaker 1: on the Iran Warpowers Resolution. We've been trying to stop

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Speaker 1: this war for the past year. Then what happened is

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Speaker 1: he saw that I had put out an amendment to

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Speaker 1: say we need to release the Epstein files, because it's

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Speaker 1: the same group of people who have offshored our jobs

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Speaker 1: who get us into these wars, who were covering up,

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Speaker 1: in my view, for doing some awful things to young

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Speaker 1: why don't we team up on this? And I said, Thomas,

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Speaker 1: we keep being on the losing side of votes. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: let's do this. And we did it. And people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: these conspiracy theoristics. I said, no, this is real corruption.

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Speaker 1: These are rich and powerful people who think they're above

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Speaker 1: the law. And we got Marjorie Taylor Green, we got

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It is the only time a Democrat has actually won

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump legislatively this whole term. And it's because

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Speaker 1: we built a unique coalition, you know, and Nancy Basin I,

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Speaker 1: enormous courage, enormous courage in standing with those survivors and

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Speaker 1: not being bullied by Trump. Massey is facing a primary

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Speaker 1: challenge billionaires funding against him. I'm facing a primary challenge

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Speaker 5: Are you concerned about the primary challenger because this is

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Speaker 5: mostly centered around the billionaire tax.

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Speaker 1: Billion billionaire tax and the Epstein Epstein class. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's all connected. Some of them say, people who are

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Speaker 1: I concerned? I'm in politics, you never know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take it seriously. I'm going to fight hard.

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Speaker 1: Massy's gonna fight hard. I think we're going to prevail

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Speaker 1: in terms of saying the billionaire should have a little

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Speaker 1: one statistic nineteen billionaires in this country own twelve point

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Speaker 1: five percent of the wealth. Twelve point five percent of

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Speaker 1: the wealth. In the Gilded Age with Rockefeller, with Morgan,

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Speaker 1: percent on four percent of the wealth. I guess what,

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Speaker 1: They built libraries, and they build universities, and they built hospitals.

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Speaker 1: We don't have that with the billionaires. So if you

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Speaker 1: could raise their tax by a few percent on their wealth,

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Speaker 1: and you can have Medicare, and you can reverse the

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Speaker 1: have teachers being paid sixty thousand dollars, and you could

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Speaker 1: that's a reasonable thing. So everyone has an economic state.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: What shocks you the most about the Epstein files that

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Speaker 1: Like, how is everyone involved in it? How does this

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Speaker 1: guy know more people than like heads of state? Why?

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, who the fuck is Jeffrey people? How

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Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, let me arrange a meaning for the

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Speaker 1: of Israel. Let me talk. You know, he's got people

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Speaker 1: who know Putin. How is it that every single person

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Speaker 1: wants to be at his parties? Every Silicon Valley big shot.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm in the files. I'm not saying they

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Speaker 4: You believe he's a time traveler, asking man. The way

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Speaker 4: he's connected to everybody is kind of spooky.

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Speaker 3: It don't seem normal.

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Speaker 1: It does not say normal. I mean, I don't who

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Speaker 1: could be a former president? And I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you have that kind of network where everyone wants to

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Speaker 1: come to your events, everyone wants to come to your parties.

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Speaker 1: You know. The former Prince Andrew, his former girlfriend said,

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Speaker 1: you're a loser if you're not part of the Epstein Files,

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Speaker 1: because it means you weren't part of the n Club.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's crazy.

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Speaker 7: How does this war affect the momentum of the Epstein Files?

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Speaker 7: Because we were really getting somewhere and then all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden, you know, the war broke out.

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Speaker 1: Well, Massey believes it's a total distraction, and I certainly

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Speaker 1: think Trump wanted to change the headlines. You know, remember

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Speaker 1: what the story was right before this bombing. Then a

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Speaker 1: young woman accused Donald Trump of rape when she was thirteen. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear it was just an accusation.

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Speaker 1: But here's what concerns me. There were four times this

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Speaker 1: just interview someone four times randomly. They obviously thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: let me interview her. Fine, ok. They release one of

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Speaker 1: those interviews. Three of those interviews are not released, Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you hiding? What are you hiding? I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying whether they're true or not, but don't you think

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Speaker 1: if there are three other interview files and someone has

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Speaker 1: to release all the files, you should release them. So

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Speaker 1: that was the story right before Iran. Absolutely, and then

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Speaker 1: than Epstein. And in this country, we have not had accountability.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Lutnik is still the second in commerce a question.

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Speaker 4: You know, people always want to know why didn't Democrats

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Speaker 3: You just explain to us plainly, Yeah, why I didn't have.

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Speaker 1: But first all they should have, like, I don't make

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Speaker 1: having gotten to know the survivors, they've been shafted and

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Speaker 1: And I think Thomas Massey would say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem, though, it took a law off Congress

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Speaker 1: because the Justice Department couldn't release those files without Congress.

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Speaker 1: There's a law or a policy of justice that says

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Speaker 1: if you do not charge someone, you can't release the files.

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Speaker 1: So under the Justice Department with Merrick Garland, they had

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Speaker 1: something they did. Pam BONDI was being if she was

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Speaker 1: to act. Instead, they fought tooth and nil to prevent

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Speaker 1: us from releasing these files. That I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the press conferences we had with

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Speaker 1: the survivors showmen, and in the beginning, we were pleading

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Speaker 1: with Trump. This was not partisan. We had survivors Haley Ropson,

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Speaker 1: who voted for Trump, who said, mister President, you'll be

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Speaker 1: the greatest president, please release the files. We want justice.

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Speaker 1: That Marjorie Taylor Green was on there. She wasn't in

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Speaker 1: it to try to get Trump. She said, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be the greatest. You're going to be

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Speaker 1: the president who actually releases the files. She actually thought

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Speaker 1: Trump would do it. It only became against Trump when

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Speaker 1: he called it a huax when he refused to release

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Speaker 1: these files, when he's refused to have any prosecution or investigation.

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Speaker 1: So I think what made this powerful from a perspective

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Speaker 1: first time Democrats since Donald Trump came down the escalator

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Speaker 1: have tried to actually work with anyone who's a Trump

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Speaker 1: voter and said like, yeah, we hear you. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: are a bunch of corrupt elites or in our government

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Speaker 1: And you know what happened when we did that. We

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Speaker 1: The people who've killed Alex Preddie need to be prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't there, but Garcia and others were there,

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Speaker 7: And where are we on the release of the entire

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Speaker 7: the entire files released. Yes, where are we on that?

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Speaker 2: Why hasn't it come out yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it affects the reputation of everyone from allegedly

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Speaker 4: Mutually a showed destruction though it'll be all across the board,

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Speaker 1: You're absolut right, Charman. You know that's how you. I

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't do anything wrong. You know that it's it's

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Speaker 6: Did he say he didn't do anything wrong or did

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Speaker 3: I thought Hillary's answer was.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Hillary Hillary Clint shouldn't have not been there, that

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Speaker 6: Nancy Mace right.

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Speaker 5: Nancy Mace wanted her to answer how she felt watching

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Speaker 5: Bill Clinton be massaged by women, and why was that

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton's responsibility to testify, and what does that happen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, with the process. No, I'm glad too.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm getting at is Nancy Mace, your colleague,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Look, I Charlie knows. We've had

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Speaker 4: I just didn't like when he was asked should Trump

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Speaker 6: I think that he's older, and I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: Hillary is sharp. She can run against Donald Trump again. Now.

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Speaker 5: I think that Jill Clinton is literally his hand trimmer.

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Speaker 6: You can see him. He's not the Bill Clinton that

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Speaker 1: These survivors have shown enormous courage in what they've done,

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Speaker 1: you know how they targeted these girls. They looked if

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Speaker 1: blacked out with the actual information of who these men

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Speaker 1: are in these files. People say, well, you're making a

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Speaker 1: mountain out of fa Mohill, it's all a hoax. Well,

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Speaker 1: then release the files. What are you hiding? Prove me

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Speaker 1: a liar? But so far, the fifty percent of the

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Speaker 1: files you've released have shown the country that this is

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Speaker 1: actually much bigger than anyone thought.

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Speaker 3: Why I'm gonna pivot to the Iran war?

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Speaker 4: Why is Congress voting for a vote on Trump's war

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Speaker 4: power on Thursday?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have feels like five six days too late?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, we tried to do it last week.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have the votes. I didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: into it and lose twenty Democrats, so we said, okay,

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Speaker 1: well wait, we now have more of the votes. I

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Speaker 1: don't see how you can be a Democrat and vote

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Speaker 1: against this. Where there are three or four Democrats are

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Speaker 1: on the fence, I'm hoping they're gonna come on board.

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Speaker 1: Are the three or four that are on the fence,

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Speaker 1: they're going to come me in trouble.

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Speaker 5: Well, if we stay true to what you've been saying

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Speaker 5: throughout this interview, which is, you know, this is about

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Speaker 5: doing the right thing, it's not partisanship. I think it's

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Speaker 5: important one for the listeners to know who they should

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Speaker 5: be calling pressuring to do the right thing. If this

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Speaker 5: is a time for moral curves, it's a time for

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Speaker 5: more courage, period, especially when lives are already been lost.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean they Gotdheimer, Landsman, moscowitz Uh. Those

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Speaker 1: are the people who are been on the on the fence.

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Speaker 1: You know some of them are upset that you know.

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Speaker 1: I went on meet the press and I said their names.

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Speaker 1: I said, I wasn't trying to single you out. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, this is a war. This is a vote

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Speaker 1: of war or peace. This is as big a deal

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Speaker 1: as the Iraq War. Six Americans have died.

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Speaker 7: If the War Powers Resolution passes, does it actually stop anything? Like?

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Speaker 3: What? What?

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Speaker 7: What happens.

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Speaker 1: So the War Powers Resolution would have to pass the

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Speaker 1: House and the Senate, and the President would have to

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Speaker 1: sign it. He's not going to sign. But here's why

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Speaker 1: it matters. Bernie and I. In a war that very

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Speaker 1: few people paid attention to, the Yemen War, we did

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Speaker 1: the War Powers Resolution. It's the first war Powers resolution

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Speaker 1: that's ever passed in Congress. It passed the House, it

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Speaker 1: passed the Senate. Donald Trump vetoed it. But it was

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Speaker 1: such a statement that Trump voluntarily stopped the refueling of

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Speaker 1: Saudi planes that were killing people in Yemen because it

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Speaker 1: was a statement by the Congress. So even if Trump

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Speaker 1: vetos this, if we could pass this, it would be

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Speaker 1: a huge blow to his support in prosecuting the war.

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Speaker 1: It would at the very least shorten the duration of

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Speaker 1: the war, especially if we could get Republicans, and then

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Speaker 1: if we can't get Republicans, and at the very least

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Speaker 1: will show us that the Democrats are the anti war party.

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Speaker 1: I have never seen a more dishonest campaign that Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: At Jdvan's running is the pro peace candidates. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember this? Vice President Harris is going to start.

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Speaker 3: Wars World War three, No new wars.

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Speaker 1: Vice President Harris is going to get us a warrior

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Speaker 1: to Rod, we are the pro peace candidates, right, They

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Speaker 1: total lie, total Like they lied about Epstein, they lied

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Speaker 1: about being against war. And so the Democrats need to

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Speaker 1: clearly now take the man to the anti war party.

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Speaker 7: And you've warned about forever wars. So is this the

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Speaker 7: way to keep that from happening?

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Speaker 1: This is this is the way for the Democrats what

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Speaker 1: to say, we're the party against these forever wars and

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Speaker 1: if we could get some Republicans this This puts pressure

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Speaker 1: on Trube to not have a five six week war.

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Speaker 1: He's he's not ruling out ground troops.

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Speaker 4: I talked about that this morning, Yeah, this morning that

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Speaker 4: he has he has the supplies forever war.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, you know who's cheering this on,

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Speaker 1: but quietly it's China. As we as we are running

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Speaker 1: down our ammunition in the Middle East, what do you

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Speaker 1: think they're thinking when it comes to Taiwan? What do

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Speaker 1: you think Putin is thinking when it comes to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: We are enmeshed in this war in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: and they are looking at this saying, okay, let the

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Speaker 1: United States drain its power and we're risking our lives

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Speaker 1: and then billions of dollars. Let me costs a lot

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Speaker 1: of money to put an aircraft carrier there. Every plane.

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Speaker 1: Thank god those service members survived from those planes that

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Speaker 1: were shot down. Well that's those are millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: a pop those planes. And people here are like, we

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Speaker 1: can't get money here for housing in New York. We

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Speaker 1: can't get money here for childcare. We can't get money

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Speaker 1: here for basic healthcare Medicaid cuts. So this is a

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Speaker 1: time for boro clarity. Look, I, since I've already gotten

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Speaker 1: myself into a little trouble and say those names, let

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Speaker 1: me get myself as a board trouble by saying I

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Speaker 1: don't like when Democrats start out with all this procedural nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Well we don't. The commandian is a terrible person, Yes

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Speaker 1: he is, and it's a complicated situation, but they need

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Speaker 1: to come to Congress first. How about just saying we

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Speaker 1: don't want money in American lives being wasted on another

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Speaker 1: war in the mard.

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Speaker 4: Into Congress, why do you think Trump decided to invade Iran?

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Speaker 3: Now? In why is it bb ne Yahu?

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Speaker 1: Why is net Yaho invading now?

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Speaker 3: Or what I was answer your question for you.

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Speaker 1: Look, net Yah, who's wanted to do this last thirty years.

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Speaker 1: He's wanted to have regime change, and he finally found

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Speaker 1: a president who would go along with him. But the

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Speaker 1: Senator Warner said it absolutely correctly. There was no imminent

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Speaker 1: threat to the United States of America. Whether there was

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Speaker 1: a threat to Israel or not, I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: they don't have ICBMs. I mean, they cannot launch a

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Speaker 1: weapon of missile that hits the United States. And you

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Speaker 1: know they've been clamoring for this regime change word net

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Speaker 1: Yahoo for the last thirty years. And why because they

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Speaker 1: want to just punch Iran in the mouth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they don't even necessarily have a plan to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the IRGC. They just want to weaken the IRGC

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Speaker 1: so that the IRGC cannot be a competing Hegemen, competing

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Speaker 1: power in the Middle East. I get it from their

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Speaker 1: strategic point of view, but really we want Americans dying

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Speaker 1: for that. And by the way, then they're telling all

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Speaker 1: these protesters take back the country with no plan.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get started. Oh the IRGC suddenly that have

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Speaker 1: been killing all these protesters are going to give the

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Speaker 1: protesters their arms. Come on. You basically have no plan

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the IRGC, and then you're telling

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Speaker 1: the protesters to protest knowing that they could get slaughtered

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Speaker 1: by the IRGC. It is a just cynical policy, and

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Speaker 1: it's costing lives. And for people who we're tired of

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Speaker 1: these wars, they're looking at this and we keep voting

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Speaker 1: against this stuff. We keep voting against these wars, and

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Speaker 1: then we get someone in this president and somehow they

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Speaker 1: get talked into these wars. I was shocked when I

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Speaker 1: was on Meet the Press. The lead guest was Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 1: He's like the guy never leaves. He's just like a fixture.

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Speaker 1: I thought Trump beat him. Trump ran against him at

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Speaker 1: sixteen saying, you know, Lindsey, no, we're done with these wars.

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Speaker 1: The only reason he became president. He sat there with

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Speaker 1: Jif Bush saying, your brother screwed up. Your brother got

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Speaker 1: us in these wars. I'm against these wars. And now

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is the face of the Republican foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: At least Lindsay is consistent. At least he's cheer let

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Speaker 1: us into every war by the way. He's so consistent

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Speaker 1: that Christopher Walker thought she had a gotcha moment with him.

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Speaker 1: She said, oh, Lindsey, you think we're in war with Iran?

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Speaker 1: He said, yes, I do. She says, well, then shouldn't

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Speaker 1: you be for the War Powers Resolution? He said no,

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Speaker 1: I think the War Power's resolution's unconstitutional. I think the

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Speaker 1: president could just start any war he wants.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's Lindsay Graham's worldview. But Lindsay Graham was

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Speaker 1: not elected president on Its States and he never would

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Speaker 1: be elected president United States. But they lied to people

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Speaker 1: saying they were going to be pro peace, they got elected,

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Speaker 1: and now Lindsey Graham is setting foreign policy. And you

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Speaker 1: know what saddens me is this is what eroads trust

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Speaker 1: because the next person who comes in, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if they're a Democrat or Republican. American people are just

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Speaker 1: gonna roll their eyes. Ah. You know, we've heard all

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Speaker 1: that stuff before. We've heard the stuff against the endless wars.

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Speaker 1: We've heard the stuff about releasing the Epstein files, We've

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Speaker 1: heard the stuff about taxing the billionaires. Doesn't seem to change.

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Speaker 1: They get in there and then they forget everything they promised.

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Speaker 4: And I don't want a politicians or a government that

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Speaker 4: seems behold into other politicians and other governments. I don't

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Speaker 4: care if it's Russian and Putin, I don't care if

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Speaker 4: it's you know, Israel and net and Yahoo like.

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Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't like that. I really do

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Speaker 3: want us to be America first.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, we should look at our interest. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you think that the the the interest

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Speaker 1: as well, Iran is posing a threat to Israel, and

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Speaker 1: there's some I don't even believe that they actually had

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Speaker 1: the capability go and strike Israel. But if you really

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Speaker 1: believe that, then be honest with the American people. We

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Speaker 1: are taking this action because Iran is going to strike

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Speaker 1: Israel within three weeks, and we want to defend Israel,

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Speaker 1: if that's the reason. But you can't lie to people.

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Speaker 1: You can't say all that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a threat to the United States of America. This is

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Speaker 1: this is to protect the protesters when the protesters are

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Speaker 1: still being slaughtered by the IRGC and lie about what's

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Speaker 1: going to come next that they have no answer for

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Speaker 1: what's going to come next in that region.

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Speaker 5: Another battle that you have spent some time talking about

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Speaker 5: is term limits? And I think this is an important

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Speaker 5: conversation because when you're at home and you're thinking about

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Speaker 5: people who are older in Congress, how old some of

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Speaker 5: our members of Congress are, you think they should leave.

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Speaker 5: As a former executive director of the CBC, which is

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Speaker 5: a Congressional Black Caucus, I know the only reason why

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Speaker 5: we had chairs of committees.

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Speaker 6: Is because of seniority.

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Speaker 5: Yes, which if you support signor already, you can't support

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Speaker 5: term limits because you'll never really arrive to the gavel,

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Speaker 5: to the chairman seat. How do you thread that needle,

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Speaker 5: especially now because so many members potentially even you leave

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Speaker 5: a seat to run for higher office. Jasmin Crockett, who's

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Speaker 5: in a primary today for sentence.

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Speaker 1: Well, how do you think that's going to turn out?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm hopeful for Jasmine, but we have Jasmine has

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Speaker 5: just got there and she's you know, become a fan

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Speaker 5: favorite for holding it down in a committee room for

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Speaker 5: some of the legislations she's introduced.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant, you know, in terms of her.

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Speaker 5: Just because I was getting ready to ask you about

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Speaker 5: you potentially seeking higher office. So if you're for term limits,

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Speaker 5: but you leave before you get the gavel, does it

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Speaker 5: really support the needs of your constituents, of the American

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Speaker 5: people really large.

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Speaker 1: Both of your questions. Yeah, First of all, on term limits,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a the best argument against them,

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Speaker 1: and I've supported twelve years for House members, twelve years

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Speaker 1: for senators. But the reality is, with particularly the Black community,

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Speaker 1: a lot of black candidates had a very hard time

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Speaker 1: getting elected statewide. The place that they could actually build

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Speaker 1: political power was in the House of Representatives, and they

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Speaker 1: had to claw their way into seniority. And you finally

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Speaker 1: have people like Benny Thompson and Bobby Scott sharing committees,

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Speaker 1: Gregory Meeks, and it's a maximum waters and you say, well,

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Speaker 1: come on, you're gonna you can't just take away the

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Speaker 1: one place that the black community has built power after

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Speaker 1: years of segregation and discrimination. And that's why I think

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Speaker 1: any proposal needs to be grandfathered in, don't. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe it should apply to the current people who

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Speaker 1: have spent literally their lives fighting for equality. But going forward,

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Speaker 1: the reason I believe it's necessaries. Otherwise you get people

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Speaker 1: who just have the connections to the fundraising and it

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Speaker 1: becomes very hard for new people to come in without

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Speaker 1: those term limits. But I would grandfather in any any proposal,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't affect people who are late chairs or

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Speaker 1: I've spent their whole lives working towards that I was.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm lucky to be named the ranking member

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Speaker 1: of the China Committee. If I if we went back

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Speaker 1: the House, I would finally get one of those gables

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Speaker 1: twelve years in. And I've got to win my campaign.

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Speaker 1: I don't take anything for granted in terms of my

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Speaker 1: own primary, but you know I would do a good

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Speaker 1: jobs as as chair of that committee. In terms of

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Speaker 1: higher office, I mean, first, let's get through the midterms.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure we win the House. Let's make sure

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Speaker 1: that we that I win my race. Let's make sure

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Speaker 1: that we you know, I actually do get the gabble.

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Speaker 1: But if I run, I would. I would run because

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Speaker 1: I think we need people who are going to stand

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Speaker 1: up to the billionaire class, the Epstein class in a

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Speaker 1: new gilded age. And I see these people. I know

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Speaker 1: these people. A third of the stock market is in

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Speaker 1: my district, one third of the wealth is in my district.

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Speaker 1: I see the economic future, and I've had the guts

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Speaker 1: to stay and up to them. I know the technology,

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Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we actually have

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Speaker 1: every person in every community benefiting, and it will be

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Speaker 1: an uphill underdog campaign if I.

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Speaker 6: Were to run, And you're saying run for president, right,

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Speaker 6: if I did?

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Speaker 1: If I did, But do you think.

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Speaker 5: That you would be formidable against Gavin Newsom? What set

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Speaker 5: you apart from Gavin Newsom?

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Speaker 1: Well, we have difference of philosophy. I mean, look, Gavin

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Speaker 1: has done a good job in standing up to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say negative things about him, but

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Speaker 1: I would just say, look, I'm for taxing billionaires more.

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Speaker 1: He's not for single pair of healthcare. He's not. I

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Speaker 1: am for a free universal childcare ten dollars a day.

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Speaker 1: I come from a more economically populist vision. I've spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time figuring thinking about how do we

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Speaker 1: create good paying jobs in factory towns, and I call

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Speaker 1: for economic patriotism and partnering with HBCUs and tech companies

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Speaker 1: to create economic opportunity for those left out. So he

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Speaker 1: has his strengths, but my view is the Democrats need

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Speaker 1: to go on in a more economically populist direction UH

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Speaker 1: to be able to win back the country.

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Speaker 4: What about lobbyists, because you know, one thing that you've

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Speaker 4: been hearing a lot lately is, you know, people are

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Speaker 4: very upset at folks who take money from you know, APEX.

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Speaker 4: So why has APAC taken money? I mean, why has

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Speaker 4: APAC money become so toxic for politicians?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one other philosophical difference, and then I'll answer that question.

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Speaker 1: I thought Charlie Kirk's murder was horrendous, and I condemned

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Speaker 1: it unequivocally. But I do not believe Charlie Kirk should

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Speaker 1: be celebrated as a model for young men in America.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe that his views that Katan jay Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court Justice, KAITANJ. Jackson, and they Uh and

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Speaker 1: and and Michelle Obama I have less brain power than

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Speaker 1: than than white Americans is something to be celebrated. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, there there's also a difference at our

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Speaker 1: party in how we talk about race in America in

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Speaker 1: terms of APEC. I mean, they don't like me, They're

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Speaker 1: spending money against me. I don't believe that we should

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Speaker 1: be taking money from APAC. I believe we should be

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Speaker 1: very clear that what happened in Gaza was a genocide

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Speaker 1: that we should not be providing military weapons and sales

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Speaker 1: to Israel to kill brown people in Palestine that we

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Speaker 1: need to enforce the lay He laws. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: another area of difference between some of us in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and others.

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Speaker 4: People say that they're not going to vote for somebody

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Speaker 4: who takes money from APEC, and my response to that is, well,

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Speaker 4: who you're going to vote for, because damn all of

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Speaker 4: them take money from APEC.

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Speaker 1: It's changing, it's changing. I think I'd be surprised if

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Speaker 1: from twenty six and even in twenty eight whether many

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Speaker 1: Democratic candidates take money from APEC. My guess is that

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Speaker 1: will be something that most members of Congress say, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to take money from APEX, and most

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Speaker 1: people who run for president are going to say we're

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Speaker 1: not going to take money from APEX. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's just about APEC. Is are you willing to

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Speaker 1: call it a genocide? Because if you're not willing to

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Speaker 1: call it a genocide and all these people saw what

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Speaker 1: happened on their phones, well then how can we trust

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Speaker 1: you to really say the moral truth? Are you willing

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Speaker 1: to say we're not going to give military weapons to

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Speaker 1: Israel that are being used to kill civilians. Are you

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Speaker 1: willing to say that we're going to recognize a Palestinian state?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I believe in a multi racial vision

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Speaker 1: of America. And you know, one of the funniest headlines

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Speaker 1: that happened in this oul Epstein thing is, you know, trouma.

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Speaker 1: You may remember my grandfather was part of Gandhi's independence movement,

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Speaker 1: and I was in jail in the nineteen thirties and

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Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, and that, of course inspires Doctor King

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Speaker 1: Mordecai Johnson had gone to India, comes back nineteen forty nine,

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Speaker 1: This gives a speech and King at the times that

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Speaker 1: the Kroser Seminary in Pennsylvania, and he learns about sati

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Speaker 1: Agra and Gandhi and he has a Gandhi reader and

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Speaker 1: Bible everywhere. But there was an article in the British

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Speaker 1: pressing the long tales of colonialism. Conna's grandfather jailed by

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Speaker 1: the British monarchy. Grandson in Congress may bring down the

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Speaker 1: British monarchy. I'm not trying to bring it down. But

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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, you know, former Prince was arrested. So I

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Speaker 1: come at politics understanding historical oppression.

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Speaker 7: But our members afraid of what happened to Corey Bush.

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Speaker 7: If by saying you know that they're not going to

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Speaker 7: take money from APAC, that they're standing against what's happening,

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Speaker 7: you know to the Palestinians, is that a fear?

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Speaker 1: Though Cory Bush was two years ahead of her Ton,

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Speaker 1: my brother, Jamal Bowman was ahead of his time. Jamal

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Speaker 1: Bowman would have won today. You know, they just did

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Speaker 1: those things at a time where it was a huge

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Speaker 1: political price to pay. But the politics of this has

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Speaker 1: changed in a way that I can't even describe over

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Speaker 1: the last six to nine months. It's gone from being

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Speaker 1: a position that was politically toxic to one that is

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Speaker 1: actually politically safe. My stance against the Epstein class and

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Speaker 1: my stance for a billionaire tax is of much bigger

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Speaker 1: political risk now than my stance against a pack And

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Speaker 1: that that that politics has shifted over the last six months,

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Speaker 1: partly because of people like all of you who've been

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Speaker 1: calling out folks for taking that money and not having clarity.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it'll be a time in this country

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Speaker 4: where politicians aren't beholden to you?

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Speaker 1: Yes? But but but do I think? But the broader

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Speaker 1: issue is, you know, we've got so much money in politics,

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Speaker 1: how are politicians not going to be beholden to a

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Speaker 1: moneyed interest? And that's very hard. I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a bill with Summer Lead to get rid

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Speaker 1: of super packs. We've got to figure out how we

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Speaker 1: get more public financing campaigns. Anyone in the system is

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Speaker 1: to some extent compromised. I mean, you're not being honest

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Speaker 1: if you are in the political system and you don't

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Speaker 1: think that raising funds it makes you spend more time

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Speaker 1: with people who have money. So that's a much broader challenge.

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Speaker 1: And even if, by the way, someone wins for the

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Speaker 1: presidency on a progressive platform, you know what these money

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Speaker 1: in interest do they find the one senator, They find

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Speaker 1: the one committee chair in the House to block it.

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Speaker 1: That's why half of Biden's agenda was blocked by mansion

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Speaker 1: or cinema. I mean, Biden was way more progressive than

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Speaker 1: the House and the Senate were. So there's money in

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Speaker 1: politics beyond APEC is an enormous issue, and it's the

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Speaker 1: cardinal sin of our political system.

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Speaker 2: Always thought they should have been a cap and people run.

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Speaker 2: There should be a cap amount of money that people

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Speaker 2: can use because, like you said, if I go this

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Speaker 2: way with APEC. I'm going to get unlimited funds. Now

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Speaker 2: you look at Corey Bush that there's no way that

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Speaker 2: she can match the fores that go against them, No possible.

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Speaker 5: Boy, people could do more small dollar donors. But also

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Speaker 5: she has someone run against her who just blatantly lied

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Speaker 5: and said.

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Speaker 6: He wasn't running against her. Yes, he did shout out

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Speaker 6: to Wesley Bell I digress.

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Speaker 1: She's running again though, yes, y yeses.

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Speaker 5: The other day, I want to ask you as you

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Speaker 5: look ahead, you talked about a short term goal, which

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Speaker 5: is getting through the twenty twenty six mid terms.

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Speaker 1: Of course, personally and for the party.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely so when you look down the road to

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty six mid terms, let's say it goes

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Speaker 5: very well and Donald Trump does not have his way

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Speaker 5: with the elections, federal takeover, getting the voter rolls, purging

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Speaker 5: them even when they shouldn't be purged, and miraculously Democrats

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Speaker 5: went back to the House. Do you see yourself supporting

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Speaker 5: how came Jeffers speaker.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I know he's had some criticisms on the show,

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Speaker 1: but I think he'll get elected unanimously. I think all

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Speaker 1: parts of the party will will rally behind him, and

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Speaker 1: especially if we have a significant win. And the one

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Speaker 1: thing with with Hakim is that he gives a large

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Speaker 1: latitude to progressives in the caucus to go do our thing,

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Speaker 1: and and he doesn't have a heavy fist and saying okay,

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Speaker 1: if you're critical of of Israel, or if your critical

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Speaker 1: of Iran war, that that please be quiet. And so

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Speaker 1: I think he's he will have the support of the caucus.

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Speaker 4: They said, did you see the story about They said

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Speaker 4: he just got quite funneling APAG money into democratic primaries.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not. That's the store.

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Speaker 1: Which, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. My view on those primaries is

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Speaker 1: that the D Triple C should stay neutral and let

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Speaker 1: the primaries fight out how they will. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we should be tipping our hand on one candidate or

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Speaker 1: the other. But I don't know if My sense is

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Speaker 1: that he's most focused on the red districts that we

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Speaker 1: can win. So I genuinely haven't seen that story.

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Speaker 3: You think we're going to have for refair elections.

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Speaker 1: We've got to fight for it. I think Drump will

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Speaker 1: try to do everything possible to prevent it. He's going

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Speaker 1: to have ice out there, He's going to intimidate election officials.

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Speaker 1: We've got to uplift our election officials. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be facing threats. He's going to try to get people

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Speaker 1: kicked off the voter rolls so they don't have registration

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Speaker 1: or polling class when they show up. But we've one

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Speaker 1: got to make it too big to rig. We got

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Speaker 1: to win by a decisive margin. We've got to win

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Speaker 1: by twenty seats, and we've got to have people being

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Speaker 1: election observers showing up at polling crisis. I guess what

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Speaker 1: I say is is it going to be challenging? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is it as challenging as what Jim Clyburn and John

862
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: Lewis went through? Now? I mean, you know it's a

863
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: challenging what my grandfather went through. Now, Like this is

864
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: our fight, this is our fight for democracy. Every generation

865
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: has a fight. We can win this fight. But yeah,

866
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Speaker 1: he's going to try every trick in the book to

867
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Speaker 1: disenfranchise This one feels different.

868
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Speaker 3: This feels different like I'm in here in my whole life.

869
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Speaker 4: You know, it's got to be got to make it

870
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Speaker 4: too big to rig you got to have the largest

871
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Speaker 4: vote to turn out.

872
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: That don't feel like that's going.

873
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 7: Especially for things like the Save America Act, Right, So

874
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 7: how does that work with when he's implementing all of

875
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 7: these things to keep people from being able to just

876
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 7: vote legally.

877
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 5: And re drawing districts so they vote for someone who

878
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Speaker 5: represents their interests.

879
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: What if he does that.

880
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: Executve votershit He was talking about, well he has control

881
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: over the elections.

882
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: Well, we got to make sure that the Senate holds.

883
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: Right there, they're trying to get the Senate to pass

884
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: the Save Act by getting rid of the filibuster, and uh,

885
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, the Save Act basically would put attacks on

886
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: every woman who's married in this country because you'd have

887
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: to go literally with your marriage certificate to show that

888
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: you had your proper registration and that would depress women

889
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: turn out. By the way, there's some states with recognize

890
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: a hunting license to vote but don't accept the Doe

891
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: ton id right, So it's going to hurt young people voting.

892
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: But I believe we can prevent the stay back from

893
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Speaker 1: passing the Senate. We have to fight to make sure

894
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: that's true. But look, I'm not underestimating the risks, Like

895
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: this is a guy who did mid decade redistricting. No

896
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: one thought he would do that. I didn't think he

897
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: would do that. Like, we don't even know what he's

898
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: thinking in terms of what he could do. And then

899
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Johnson can refuse to see people. I mean, he refused

900
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Speaker 1: to seat Atlita Grahova to prevent the vote on the

901
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Imagine if you speak of the House and

902
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: there's a close race thousand votes, he just said, I'm

903
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: not going to seat this person.

904
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 7: I think he does tell us what he's going to do.

905
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 7: I just don't think we're listening all the way, right

906
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 7: he says it out loud.

907
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, what tools do we have? Yeah, I mean,

908
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: what can we do. We need election observers, We need

909
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: to uplift election officials. We need to be anticipating that

910
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: he's going to advice. We did it in New Jersey,

911
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: we did it in Virginia, we did it in California

912
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Speaker 1: with Prop fifty. The good news is we do have

913
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Speaker 1: a lot of democratic governors are going to be in

914
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Speaker 1: charging in a lot of these states. Uh So we

915
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: need to prepare that it's a battle. And then when

916
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Speaker 1: we take back the House at least then we can

917
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Speaker 1: start to uh call our way back, because then it'll

918
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Speaker 1: be the House that then certifies the election. In twenty

919
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, we don't win the House, We're we're in.

920
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Speaker 4: The world of first y'all get all that power back

921
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: that It's going to take some real courage.

922
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Speaker 3: And I mean, I've seen you displayed.

923
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Speaker 4: I've seen uh that's what's his name some of the league,

924
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 4: you know, people like I've seen that, there's people with courage,

925
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: but you have you know a lot of people with

926
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Speaker 4: courage that are going to do what needs to be done.

927
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like impeaching, know, holding people accountable, prosecuting people,

928
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 4: asking for arrest, things like that.

929
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Speaker 1: Impeaching is the table stakes and we got to get it.

930
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: We gotta have impeachment. But I'm with you. We got

931
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Speaker 1: to have accountability in this country. We never had accountability

932
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Speaker 1: for the bankers that crash the economy. We never had

933
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Speaker 1: accountability for the people who tortured folks in the rock

934
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Speaker 1: or light their way into a rock. We did not

935
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Speaker 1: have accountability for all these people in the steam class. Well,

936
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: you've got to have accountability. You were part of Doge

937
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: that dismantled USA that led to five hundred thousand debts.

938
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: It's not just okay, let's move on kumbaya. We need

939
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Speaker 1: to make sure that they're prosecutions. You were part of

940
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Speaker 1: killing American citizens or immigrants, or violated human rights and

941
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Speaker 1: detention centers, there need to be investigations and prosecutions. If

942
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Speaker 1: you were part of the killing of people in the

943
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Speaker 1: Caribbean or were boatsmen, there's got to be investigation and prosecution.

944
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Speaker 1: I'm all for reconciliation, but before reconciliation usually comes truth.

945
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: It's truth and reconciliation. And the American people are tired

946
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: of a system of a lack of accountability. That's why

947
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: this Epstein stuff has been resonating because it's like, finally

948
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to have people accountable who think they're above

949
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: the wall, who think that they don't have to play

950
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Speaker 1: by the rules. So I do believe though, there are

951
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: going to be people, whether it's Ayana, whether it's Summer Lee,

952
00:48:54,400 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: whether it's Robert Garcia, whether it's Greg Kazar. There are Promila, Jao, Paul,

953
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Speaker 1: there are a number of us in the House who

954
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Speaker 1: are going to insist on accountability, and the Chips will forward.

955
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Speaker 4: They were scared that, you know, like Republicans know that

956
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Speaker 4: they're not just going They're going to try everything in

957
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Speaker 4: the power to make sure they get these mid terms

958
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: so that doesn't happen.

959
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why Trump's in it. That he knows that

960
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: he knows that his presidency's on the line, and in

961
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: his life in terms of accountability is on the line,

962
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Speaker 1: in terms of prosecutions and investigations, and so he will

963
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Speaker 1: he will do everything in his power to hold onto power.

964
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Speaker 1: I mean, they they know, they've they've known for the

965
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Speaker 1: past twenty thirty years that there's a changing demographic in America.

966
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Speaker 1: Obama spooks them in a very visceral way, and they said, Okay,

967
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Speaker 1: how do we hold onto power? What do we have

968
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: to do on the Supreme Court? What do we have

969
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: to do in the Senate? What do we have to

970
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: do in voting rights? How do we hold onto power

971
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: for the next fifty years? Knowing that this country's demographic

972
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: are changing, and they don't even hide it. Stephen Miller

973
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, they're too many brown people in America.

974
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Speaker 1: There too many feign born. He said that it tweets

975
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: back and forth to me, Yeah, I mean it's not

976
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: about undocumented, it's just too many people. They fundamentally reject

977
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty five Act, which allowed my parents to

978
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Speaker 1: come here where they think that too many people from

979
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Speaker 1: non European countries showed up in the United States, and

980
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Speaker 1: it scares it scares them.

981
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: What about a Thomas Massey Rocana ticket. I've been hearing

982
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: that the last couple of weeks.

983
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: Are you promoting it?

984
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: You know?

985
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 4: I did have a conversation last week on my podcast

986
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: about it because somebody in the room bought it up.

987
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Speaker 3: They was like, what do you think about it? Thomas Massy?

988
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what I like about Thomas Massy.

989
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: Who would be the top in the bottom?

990
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: Though?

991
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: Who knows that Jesus.

992
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 8: I didn't even I didn't even get to go there.

993
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't mind. It would be top of the bottom

994
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Speaker 3: in that look.

995
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Thomas Massy says me a Christmas card every year, and

996
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: it's got his family, which with semi automatic weapons. Outside

997
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: of Christmas Tree, We've got a lot of a lot

998
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: of disagreements. But the thing that people like is that

999
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: we're willing to stop war. We're willing to hold accountable

1000
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: rich and powerful people who broke the law and uh,

1001
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, I I I.

1002
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: Think awful message to the country.

1003
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: We have a people want some sense of coming together.

1004
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: So you know, you never know in American politics, have

1005
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: you talked about it? Jokingly? He sends me. He sends

1006
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: me a kind of massy or massy kind of bumper

1007
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: stickers that are that are out there there. You know,

1008
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: there's something he saw in like the Epstein class that's

1009
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: going on. There was only had a banner of the

1010
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: Epstein class and uh, and these bumper stickers. But I

1011
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't think it's about massy in

1012
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: me as much as it's about this this sense in

1013
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: this country that things are broken. And here here's I

1014
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: think what they like about messy me. We went across

1015
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: the aisle, we defied at times our own party. We're

1016
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: willing to risk our seats, like they say, Okay, we're

1017
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: likely to win, but sixty forty it's not ninety ten, right.

1018
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: We're willing to take on fights. And if, like we

1019
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: both say, like okay, if it doesn't work out, it

1020
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, we'll go back and we'll have great

1021
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: lives other ways. And I just think people want that,

1022
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: they want independence. They want folks who are going to

1023
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: take a risk. They want folks who kind of say

1024
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: what they believe as opposed to all the scriptedness of politics.

1025
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: Do you trust him? Angel? The ride on trust Thomas.

1026
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 6: Meths, First of all, have you had it on?

1027
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: No?

1028
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: Not just I.

1029
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 6: Don't know why he just he's a troll.

1030
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't trust know about trust of Jesus.

1031
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 6: What were we talking about.

1032
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: Them want a ticket?

1033
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 6: Yes, we talked about them being on a ticket. Yes,

1034
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 6: I have no recollection.

1035
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: Well, look, they're they're issues of course that I don't

1036
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: know him. They are fundamental issues right abortion rights and

1037
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: uh and and uh immigrant rights and reasonable gun civil rights.

1038
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know his record on either, so you know

1039
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: I so you can't just say okay, uh, you know,

1040
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: how'd he have a ticket? Well, it depends on where

1041
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: he stands though some of those those key issues. But

1042
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: I'd say in my interaction with him on the issues,

1043
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: I've interacted them. He's trustworthy in that when he tells

1044
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: you he's going to do something, he does it. He

1045
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: keeps his work and he doesn't politicize it, and so

1046
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: that that to me goes a long way uh in

1047
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: a Congress in terms of just his character and really quickly.

1048
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Speaker 7: We are still in a partial government shut down because

1049
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 7: Democrats want, you know different, they want restrictions for ICE.

1050
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 7: Where are we on that? I mean, should we fund

1051
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 7: the government or should we hold out for those restrictions

1052
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 7: that that demzel on on ICE?

1053
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: We should not be giving more money to ICE. I

1054
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: mean Donald Trump already has seventy five billion dollars RICE.

1055
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: And it's a rogue agency. It's an agency that is

1056
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: out there killing Americans, killing people who are undocumented, having

1057
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Speaker 1: people in these detention says. I went to one of

1058
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Speaker 1: these detentions as California City Detention Center. There's someone who

1059
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: had blood in his urine, in their medical care for

1060
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: seven days. There's a guy with a broken nose, came

1061
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: up to me and no healthcare. By the way, they

1062
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: know these people are criminals. You know how I know

1063
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: they aren't criminals because they had me made with forty

1064
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: seven of these people in a room with no prison

1065
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: war damn. You know. They wouldn't do that if you

1066
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: were in a some high security prison where people that

1067
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: commit murders or robbery. These are not These are not criminals.

1068
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Speaker 1: In the sense that people think of the criminals and

1069
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: yet they're being mistreated. So why would we give another

1070
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: dollar to that kind of agency. We had Immigration Enforcement

1071
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: from nineteen forties to two thousand and three, the I

1072
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: in s under the Justice Department, where people were trained,

1073
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: where they're the same standards at law enforcement. We've got

1074
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: to have that kind of agency again, and then you

1075
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Speaker 1: have better intel dilligence sharing because nine to eleven happens,

1076
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: so you got to have intelligence sharing. But I don't

1077
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Speaker 1: believe that the ICE, the way it's functioning is should

1078
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: be get an additional dollar.

1079
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Speaker 2: Or kind of We appreciate you for joining them.

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Speaker 3: You do some good information this morning. Thank you.

1081
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: Remember you told me like a year ago we were

1082
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: having a conversation and I was.

1083
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: Need for me to say what I was.

1084
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: Saying, but you said, you said that the work was

1085
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: going to, uh, you know, prove itself, and I think

1086
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: that you're doing that right now.

1087
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciated uh, your conversation.

1088
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1089
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: Look, I just think that there's I don't know which

1090
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: way this country is going to go, but here's what

1091
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: I know. We've had a lot of showmen in our politics.

1092
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: We got a lot of people who thumped their chests

1093
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: to know how to message or uh you know, have

1094
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: conventional obey or to charm people, and it ain't working.

1095
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: People's lives aren't getting better. We're getting into these wars

1096
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and they're not standing up in forel And all I

1097
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: know is we need actual substance. We need actual people

1098
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: who are going to take on real fights, not performative fights,

1099
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: and do real things and actually stand up for for people.

1100
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: And that means why you get into politics.

1101
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: That's what I told her.

1102
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 4: I told him he's not charismatic enough, you don't have

1103
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: a personality, but he said the work.

1104
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Will show it up, all right. Well, thank you, miss

1105
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: angel Rye, thank you, and me Brown ro Conna.

1106
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 3: It's the breakfast club. Good morning.

1107
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Speaker 7: Every day.

1108
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 8: A weak up the breakfast Club.

1109
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Speaker 3: You don't finish the y'all done.