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Speaker 1: One of your classmates teammates contemplating retire Lebron Lebron.

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Speaker 2: You want to you want to get you get your doll,

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Speaker 2: get your let me get.

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Speaker 3: Your Yeah, go there, go ahead, give me that, Give

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Speaker 3: me that all my life.

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Speaker 4: Grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle peg Price won, Slice,

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Speaker 4: got the brow all my life.

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Speaker 2: I'd be grinding all my life.

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Speaker 4: All my life, the grinning, all my life, sacrifice, hustle

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Speaker 4: Peg Pryce one Slice got the Brons sat all my life,

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Speaker 4: I'd be grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shaha. I am

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Speaker 1: your whole, shining sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shah.

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Speaker 1: And the guy that's stopping by for a conversation and

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Speaker 1: the drink today is an NBA All time great.

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Speaker 2: He's a three time NBA champ.

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Speaker 1: He's a Finals MVP, a thirteen time NBA All Star

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Speaker 1: All Star Game MVP, eight time member of an All

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Speaker 1: NBA team, three time member of the All Defensive Team,

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Speaker 1: member of the seventy fifth Anniversary Team, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine scoring champ, Olympic gold medal medalist. He's the Miami

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Speaker 1: Heat leader in points, games, assists, still shot made shots taken.

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Speaker 1: His number three is retired by Miami Heat and Marquette.

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Speaker 1: He's an Emmy Woman, New York Times bestselling author, executive businessman,

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Speaker 1: host of the game show The Cube on TBS, A

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Speaker 1: model once voted NBA's best dressed player. Father, philanthropist, husband

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Speaker 1: d Wade Did I get it all in? Bro?

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Speaker 3: I was looking he was a gonna come through the door.

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Speaker 1: I ended up going. I was like, who walking through.

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Speaker 2: The whole card? Relieve anything, y'all? D Wade? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: Brother?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 3: Now, thank you for allowing me to come here.

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Speaker 1: Man, this has been a year to make it. I

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Speaker 1: saw I DM you a couple of years ago. You say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to you, and I'm gonna get to you.

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Speaker 1: And then I saw you at the premier of Redeemed Team.

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Speaker 1: I said, Bro, did you forget about me?

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Speaker 2: Said?

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Speaker 1: I forget about your A. I got some things going on,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get to you. And then you hear,

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Speaker 1: let's do this time. So I appreciate it. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you getting it man.

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Speaker 3: I'm great. That's that's the easy thing. That's easy thing, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm great. And then everything else after that.

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Speaker 5: But uh man, I've just been living life and I've

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Speaker 5: been I've been learning how to live life differently than

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Speaker 5: the bubble of the NBA, which we all know is

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Speaker 5: you know when you know when you play sports, you

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Speaker 5: know you in this bubble.

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Speaker 3: It's a great bubble.

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Speaker 5: And so the bubble got popped a little bit four

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Speaker 5: years ago, and so just sudjusting to life.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, Let's have a toast. This is

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Speaker 1: my Kanyac Laportier. Lest toast your career, Hall of Fame, career,

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Speaker 1: one hall of Famer to another. And my Kanyac, you

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Speaker 1: have a wine a wine seller.

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Speaker 3: All the best, bro, thank you, and he sent me.

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Speaker 5: You send me this to my house, got this beautiful

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Speaker 5: glass and everything. So everybody out there when you send gifts.

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Speaker 3: M hmm. Okay. I was going with my new rags.

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Speaker 3: I took it off in the car, really take it

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Speaker 3: might still got the lines on it. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I ain't even I ain't gonna do that. I ain't

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Speaker 1: You were a first ballot, unanimous hall of Famer. What

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Speaker 1: does the Hall of Fame mean to Dwayne Wade?

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Speaker 5: So I've been thinking about this because you know, we

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Speaker 5: all have dreams of places we want to be. And

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Speaker 5: even in the midst of those dreams, I can't say

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Speaker 5: you don't believe it more you do? You just you

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Speaker 5: put a plan together, you and you go attack tack it.

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Speaker 5: And so once I got the call from Jerry Colangelo

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Speaker 5: and said you are in the Hall of Fame, Like

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Speaker 5: I got that call, right, like, I just took a

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Speaker 5: moment just to like to myself, Man, I just was like,

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Speaker 3: Right, like I know who I am, Like I've.

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Speaker 5: Been living with myself for forty one years, right, I remember,

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Speaker 5: you know how I grew up. I remember my dreams

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Speaker 5: and my hosts and sent them out loud, and how

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Speaker 5: forty one years old, I've accomplished everything in a game

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Speaker 5: of basketball that I could ever dream of. And to

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Speaker 1: Hall of fame is the ultimate validation.

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Speaker 5: It's the validation of it because it's the it's the

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Speaker 5: entire it's the entire body, your entire body of right

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Speaker 5: right right, and they say when you get done your

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Speaker 5: entire body of work, that you deserve to be with

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Speaker 5: the best. And so before it was the top seventy five,

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Speaker 5: before I knew that was possible, which is incredible. The

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Speaker 5: done with this career, I need to be I.

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Speaker 3: Need to be in that.

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Speaker 5: I want to be that first ballot right now. I

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Speaker 5: want to be that first battle ballot. Y. You know,

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that about second, third, fourth, because you

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Speaker 5: know we all have our own route. But for me,

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Speaker 5: I was like, I want to be that first back.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, when.

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Speaker 1: When you were a kid and you're growing up in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: to take care of my mom.

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Speaker 2: Was the NBA always at the front.

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Speaker 3: The NBA was the only front.

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Speaker 5: Like I played football, I may have played around with, hey,

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Speaker 5: I want to be a I thought I wanted to

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Speaker 5: Hey mom, I'm gonna be the next Michael Jordan. I

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Speaker 5: want to go play for Chicago Buys. That's not realistic

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Speaker 5: in my community. Being a cop is realistic, right, And so,

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Speaker 5: but I always wanted to play an NBA because I

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Speaker 3: The hype, Eric Jordan Scottie.

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Speaker 2: Did anything else matter?

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Speaker 1: No, Like I.

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Speaker 5: Feel so lucky now, Like when when when the documentary

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Speaker 5: to like I was a kid in Chicago that knew

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Speaker 5: so I was going back on my mind, like I

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Speaker 5: Chicago going viral right downtime, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: And so Chicago Boys was everything my dad put the

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Speaker 1: Right, You're going in with Dirk no Whisky, Tony Parker,

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Speaker 1: Greg Papa. You had great matchups against Dirk. You played

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Speaker 1: against Tony Parker NBA Finals, beating one. You grew against

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Speaker 1: Pap a lot. What does it mean to go with

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Speaker 1: like like, man, dirt. Everybody knows that dirt brought in

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Speaker 1: the stretch. When you see that one legged step back

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Speaker 1: Papovich ain't nothing needs to be said about him.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you think.

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Speaker 1: About like, man, hey, I got I got a pretty

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Speaker 1: I got a pretty nice class.

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Speaker 5: I'm going there with Oh well yeah yeah, I forgot

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Speaker 5: about power for everybody else that's not Paul.

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Speaker 3: I told Pa said, black community is Paul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is power. Yeah yeah, you just dropped it.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah the way you.

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Speaker 5: Paul Gasol, Pow, Becky Hammon, so many others, and so

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Speaker 5: if you know anything about my career, Shannon, the individual

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Speaker 5: is great. Right individually, I have to work for everything

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Speaker 5: that I that I wanted and I got but the

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Speaker 5: team is where I succeeded, right, right, that's what my

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Speaker 5: career when you look at it everything, it's like he

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Speaker 5: where it's the team of Shaq Well Lebron with all

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Speaker 5: my next team or my next family would be the

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame team, Right, I mean, I'm looking like, Yo,

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Speaker 5: what other Hall of Fame crew that looked like this?

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's I remember telling the guy, this is

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is the ultimate fraternity. It's so

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Speaker 1: it's so select. If you if you a capita, not

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Speaker 1: to disrect them. They got ten twenty thousand members. If

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Speaker 1: you are to make a side five you're a cute dog,

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Speaker 1: you got twenty five thirty thousand. If you an althle

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Think about how many men have played and how few

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're very elite.

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Speaker 1: Now there's eight billion, there's seven billion, eight billion people

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Speaker 3: So I'm ready to play, and I ain't. I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm getting warm up here. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's about it's fighting. You see. You don't got me

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Speaker 1: high up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: What would it be?

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Speaker 1: You see a lot of a lot of organizations with

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Speaker 1: their great players. It's not just enough for them to

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Speaker 1: You see, Dirk just got a statue. The Lakers are

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Speaker 1: it mean for d Wade to have a statue outside

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Speaker 1: the Miami Arena.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough question for me, man one, because.

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Speaker 5: Yes, when you get downe playing your game, when you

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Speaker 5: is to become a statue, right right, Like you want

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Speaker 5: to play and become a statue right right, because the

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Speaker 5: greats have a statue. Michael Jordan's had a statue, and

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Speaker 5: so yes, I want I want those accolades because I

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Speaker 5: saw others have them, right, But it's also a part

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Speaker 5: of me too, that's like, that's that's man given. It

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Speaker 5: I don't celebrate those and I don't look for those

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Speaker 5: because it's temporary, right. But you know, so if it's

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Speaker 3: Come, right, I've earned it already, and.

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Speaker 5: So if they decide to give that to me, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it would be amazing place where people can come to

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Speaker 3: Statue, a Lines of Morning statue. You start building this legacy.

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Speaker 3: I want to root for my team.

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Speaker 5: I want to support Jimmy, I want to support you

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Speaker 5: Because this is business now. This ain't bas this is

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Speaker 5: I have a business relationship with Ryan Smith and what

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong, Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean from who in the Miami Heat?

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Speaker 1: pat Rock, Okay, because you didn't leave temporary. Normally, the

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Speaker 2: I mean something happens, and I.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting back having been a next professional athlete, and

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, man, this man he took less money to

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Speaker 2: What you boy? What you got for your boy? Now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I had that mentality at one point. I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went through championships Wade County and and I

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Speaker 5: And when it's time to make a decision, the business

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Speaker 5: Let me carry it like a backpack because I learned

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Speaker 5: the negatives because the positive ill way the negatives. Even

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Speaker 5: So as much as I like the positive that I

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Speaker 3: Things that come along. I heard a little bit too

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Speaker 5: With it because these things as well, it's helping me

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Speaker 5: And so it's a lesson out there for everybody, right,

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Speaker 1: How I have organizations been able to convince the fans

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Speaker 5: I don't understand that at the PR for the organization,

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Speaker 1: You lead you being greedy, they do it. They did

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I have no idea how that's like, that

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Speaker 5: doesn't make sense, right, Like you can get traded, no

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Speaker 5: and wat's what happened when you come back right from

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get boomed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about and so it's just a PR.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's the way it's spent. It's the way

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Speaker 5: but that's just the way it is. And so now

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Speaker 5: The players have more control now, right, and now you

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Speaker 1: When you get in the business, how do you approach

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 5: I don't play basketball no more so my life, besides

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Speaker 3: You'll invest just because it sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's your man.

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Speaker 5: And so when it comes to business, when it comes

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Speaker 5: people who want to want to teach me, right, Like

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Speaker 3: Book up and let me show you.

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Speaker 5: And so those are the partners that I look for

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Speaker 5: I don't know everything. I ain't been to school in

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Speaker 1: But when you were there, it was like it wasn't

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Speaker 3: I agree the way i'd be like broadcasting a journalists.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, but you haven't been to school in

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Speaker 5: Right, And so I yes, now I know that I

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Speaker 1: See I want to see it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, Kevin, just soda is coming for a

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Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. Any time I see

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Speaker 1: wonder how you let me ask you this? This is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, once they realized that I was a player, so

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Speaker 5: it's not.

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Speaker 2: Just something right, like.

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Speaker 5: Like people that have way more money than you and

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Speaker 5: I that's not sitting here. They don't have a lot

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Speaker 5: same thing when it came to sport, right, and so

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Speaker 5: I try to be I try to be serious. I

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Speaker 1: Right, you're the host. You were talking about camera. You're

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Speaker 2: What was it like? What made you have? What?

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Speaker 1: you know what game show? That's what I'm gonna be.

441
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Speaker 3: Definitely not like that. No, it happened like this. Okay,

442
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 3: it was doing COVID. We on the Zoom. When I retired,

443
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: I got into TV. I did T and T for

444
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 3: three years.

445
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Speaker 5: I had a production company, fifty Knife in Prairie that

446
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 5: I started with Wonder Media, and so they came to me,

447
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,199
Speaker 5: We're on the Zoom with the whole team and they're like, hey,

448
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 5: we got this amazing concept of the show called The

449
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 5: Cube that's been feminine the UK. I believe at that

450
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Speaker 5: time it was ten eleven years and so we.

451
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Speaker 3: Talked about the show.

452
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Speaker 5: I got a chance to look at the thak, I

453
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 5: got a chance to go look at all the youtubes

454
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Speaker 5: and I was like, man, I love this show.

455
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Speaker 3: I want to be a executive producer. This is great.

456
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,959
Speaker 5: So we shook hands on EP before we got off

457
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,239
Speaker 5: the call. Eventually they said, oh, and we would love

458
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Speaker 5: if you can host, and I was like me, I

459
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 5: started sweating up.

460
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Speaker 1: Executive producers like you know.

461
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Speaker 3: And and then I So I took a few days.

462
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Speaker 5: And how it works is this if I'm scared to

463
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Speaker 5: do something, I ain't talking about like bungee jumping scared.

464
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about something that's attainable or something that I

465
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Speaker 5: want to do, Like I like, I actually want to

466
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Speaker 5: challenge myself. But when I retired, the first thing I

467
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Speaker 5: did was I took I took a voice lessons right

468
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 5: because I knew. I was like, man, one day, I

469
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Speaker 5: may I may have this, I may be in front

470
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Speaker 5: of the camera. I will have a microphone in my face.

471
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Speaker 5: Let me learn how to project my voice. Let me

472
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Speaker 5: let me, let me take this uh, this Chicago tongue

473
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Speaker 5: that I have, let me learn how to get through

474
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Speaker 5: my words right. And so I was already prepared and

475
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Speaker 5: preparing myself for an opportunity.

476
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Speaker 3: But when it came, I was scared.

477
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Speaker 5: And then it took me a couple of days long,

478
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Speaker 5: as like, you can't be scared, and so I said,

479
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Speaker 5: I'll do it.

480
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Speaker 2: As if everything you thought it would be.

481
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 3: More, I actually didn't think.

482
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Speaker 5: I like it as much. I enjoy getting an opportunity.

483
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 5: I spent about three hours per episode with each contestant,

484
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 5: each family, and I get a chance to sit there

485
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Speaker 5: for three hours on it, and one get to know

486
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Speaker 5: individuals that I will.

487
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Speaker 3: Never get to know, right.

488
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Speaker 5: Two I get to you know, to be able to

489
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Speaker 5: help people get over this this fear. I see fear

490
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 5: when they in Q, I see nervousness. And so this

491
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 5: is a time whereas a leader, I get to step in.

492
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 5: I get to lead. So it's so many different things

493
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 5: that you take from sport or you take from your

494
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Speaker 5: life and in the show, and that three hours that

495
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Speaker 5: I'm sitting in front of them, I'm trying to help

496
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Speaker 5: them accomplish something that that I know is way harder

497
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Speaker 5: than they think it is, right, they don't know what

498
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Speaker 5: the game is really like. And also too, it's gonna

499
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Speaker 5: change communities, it's gonna change their lives, right, And so

500
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Speaker 5: I have an opportunity to to be a host of

501
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 5: a game show that you're gonna see is gonna change

502
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Speaker 5: people's experiences, but it also has the opportunity to change

503
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Speaker 5: your life. Ten thirty fifty thousand dollars change people's lives.

504
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Speaker 5: And so for me, man, it was like, I want

505
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Speaker 5: to bring joy to families. I want to bring joy

506
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Speaker 5: to you know, to living rooms when this pandemic ends.

507
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Speaker 5: And that's why I jumped into the Cube. And I'm

508
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Speaker 5: lucky that we on our second season. TV has brought

509
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Speaker 5: us back and hopefully we keep going.

510
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Speaker 1: For those that haven't watched the Queue, what's the concept

511
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Speaker 1: behind it?

512
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Speaker 5: So the concept is you have probably sixty seventy games

513
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 5: or versions of and they all and they all can

514
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Speaker 5: take place inside of this queube. Right, It's a plexiglass.

515
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 5: It's this big plexiglass that looks a little different than

516
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Speaker 5: this and inside this queue, which brings its own like

517
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 5: once you go in that door closed. It brings its

518
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 5: own level of like, okay, everything got small right, right, right,

519
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 5: cloth now I make clothing. Now my breathing is a

520
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 5: little different, right, And so it just brings its own

521
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: different challenges of all these different games, right, it's individual games.

522
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 5: It's games where you you tag your teammate in, y'all

523
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 5: got to come in, y'all got to do it together, right.

524
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Speaker 5: And the hard part about it is it may be

525
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Speaker 5: a game, and I just explained it like this. It

526
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Speaker 5: may be a game where you sit up here and

527
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Speaker 5: you got a ball, a piece of paper up and

528
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Speaker 5: let's say you got to throw it in the garbage camp.

529
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Speaker 3: You say, I can do that the way. That's not

530
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: hard shot?

531
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Speaker 5: How many how many lives are gonna take you to

532
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: do that? How many times are you gonna try to throw.

533
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: It and make it?

534
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Speaker 5: It may take you four Right now, you've lost four lives,

535
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 5: and so to be able to play this game, you

536
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Speaker 5: get nine lives, but you want to got you got

537
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Speaker 5: seven games?

538
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: Seven games? Not as I could do it.

539
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 5: You may spend four lives on one game on a

540
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: thousand dollars. And so the precision that you gotta have

541
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Speaker 5: the ability to be able to have no ego, because

542
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: it's some games when you come in at queue that

543
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 5: you are not good for, which your partners may be.

544
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Speaker 5: It's certain games that I know that you gotta that

545
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Speaker 5: you got a blind phone, you gotta walk through these

546
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 5: standing cone your shoulders too wide, you can't do.

547
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Speaker 3: You got to type in somebody else. So man, I

548
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Speaker 3: just I love it.

549
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Speaker 5: I love being able to sit across from individuals that

550
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Speaker 5: I never met, and by the end of that three

551
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 5: hours like we've connected and hopefully I've done my job

552
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Speaker 5: as a host to help them reach their goal.

553
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of your hosts in the second season,

554
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Speaker 1: your wife Gabrielle, you and your La La Shaq, mind shopper.

555
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Speaker 2: What what is the guest? What?

556
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: What?

557
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 2: What? What was Shaq like? Because you know Shack think

558
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 2: he could do everything.

559
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Speaker 5: Shaq bust the cube open, he fell through the back

560
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Speaker 5: of the cube.

561
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Speaker 3: I didn't even know you can do that.

562
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: I know you can go through the cube.

563
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Speaker 5: That's what that was Shack. We had him, there was

564
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 5: his birthday. He didn't know what Shock din't know what

565
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Speaker 5: was going on.

566
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Speaker 1: He showed up.

567
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Speaker 3: He's like, man, flash what I'm doing.

568
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Speaker 5: I'm like, just enjoyed and then like he didn't want

569
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: to he want to stop, right, he we kept, he

570
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 5: kept asking for more tries and more tries, and like, Shock,

571
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 5: you can't keep git more.

572
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: Tries because I need another life. I'll buy another life.

573
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: So Shaq was shocked. Man, he brought.

574
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Speaker 5: He brought a lot of excitement to it. He broke

575
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 5: a lot of our games. So like really he was like,

576
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: it's one of them. You will see on the commercial

577
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 5: where he's getting these balls out. He broke the sides.

578
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Speaker 1: Shock didn't realize that.

579
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Speaker 3: You don't know, but.

580
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Speaker 5: Man, I you know, like this was the first year

581
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 5: we tried like adding Celeri because we had a lot

582
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Speaker 5: of people will call and hitting us. Sam, we can

583
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 5: do that, that's easy, and so he's like, all right,

584
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 5: so come on to the show. So we had a

585
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: few come and try and it wasn't ez easy as

586
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Speaker 5: they thought.

587
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Melow Carmelo, Anthony just retired. What advice

588
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: would you give him about retiring? About retirement, what can

589
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Speaker 1: he expect?

590
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Speaker 5: He can expect it to be different, he can expect

591
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 5: it to be on him. You know, I know you

592
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 5: think basketball is on you, but you got a team,

593
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: you got a lot of teammates, you got coaching staff,

594
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 5: you got trainers, you got everybody to get you to

595
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Speaker 5: the gym right every day.

596
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Speaker 3: You don't have nobody like that in retirement.

597
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 5: You know, you still have your team, you see all

598
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: the people that love you, but like it ain't the same,

599
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 5: and so every day you gotta them feet, got to

600
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: hit that ground right.

601
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Speaker 3: And what you want a commissing that day has to

602
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: be on you and it has to be set by you.

603
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 5: That's that's the one thing I learned, Like when I play,

604
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 5: we got reake up calls on the road.

605
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: I don't get a wake up.

606
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 5: Call, nobody telling me to get up and work out,

607
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 5: to eat healthy, to do all these things.

608
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Speaker 3: That's this basic that is without the work.

609
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Speaker 5: This is just how how I'm gonna how I'm gonna

610
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 5: maintain my body after retirement. On No one's telling you that, right,

611
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 5: And so you got to realize that it's on you,

612
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like when I played with

613
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Speaker 5: the team, I went and got my chest scans and.

614
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Speaker 3: My EKG because it was scheduled right now. I got

615
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Speaker 3: a schedule, you know.

616
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Speaker 1: What I mean.

617
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Speaker 5: So once you realize, like I woke up and there

618
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 5: I said, oh, so this is all on me, all right?

619
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Speaker 3: This familiar for me then, and so he got it.

620
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Speaker 1: Do you think the white Howard should have been on

621
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Speaker 1: the He only got seventy five slotes, maybe what five

622
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: thousand guys that played in the NBA, maybe a little

623
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Speaker 1: bit more, I said to say, But I don't know

624
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: how it got.

625
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: He was a dominant big.

626
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Speaker 1: In multiple years, like three time Defensive Player of the Year.

627
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: But not just like he got.

628
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: Right, he was a dominant. He was dominant.

629
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Speaker 3: I really don't understand.

630
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Speaker 5: Like I know a lot of people have a lot

631
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 5: of things to say about Dwight Howard as his personality

632
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 5: or whatever. Everybody would like to take a shot the right,

633
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 5: I mean, we all out here, everybody can take a

634
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 5: shot at whatever they want.

635
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: But when it comes to that man actual work, that's

636
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: body of.

637
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: What life and dislike. He got the backpack on. He

638
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: tried hoop shots. But when the game, when they when

639
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: they jumped the.

640
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 5: Ball is undeniable. He took that team to the finals dead.

641
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 5: This is I mean, and I'm not I'm like, I

642
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying that about. You can pick a

643
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 5: lot of guys to be on this team.

644
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: It's all.

645
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 5: It's all subjective, right, depending on who's picking. But when

646
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 5: you're talking about this, this generation, his last twenty five years, right,

647
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: how many names can you think of? What the White

648
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 5: Howard name is not in there? And I know T

649
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 5: Max should be in there and other great players, but

650
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 5: that was the White how one for me was tough.

651
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: How difficult is it for you you have a son?

652
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: Lebron has a son, now mellow Lebron has two sons.

653
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: You have son, we're gonna talk about the later, have

654
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: a son play. How difficult is it for your child

655
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: that bears your last name to play the sport.

656
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: That you played.

657
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: Gotta be tough because you know you're getting Your dad

658
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: would have made that. Your dad would have done this.

659
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Your dad would have did that.

660
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: Man, I didn't have that pressure. Did you have the

661
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: pressure you had it from your brother? I never had

662
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: that pressure like I had an older brother. It was good,

663
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: but he wasn't Hall of Fame. He wasn't at a

664
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: level of the Sharks. He wasn't at that level.

665
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: And so I have no idea what Zaire is experiencing

666
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 5: from that standpoint, right, And I can't act like act

667
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: like I know. But for me, and to me, like,

668
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: none of that really matters when you're in between those lines, right,

669
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: And so having a dad with this name or in

670
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: this sport can get you in the door, can get

671
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: you looks, and also can get people to talk about you.

672
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it worked.

673
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 5: So for me, it's about what you do when you

674
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: get between the lines. That's what all determines if you

675
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: shut people up or you keep them talking, or you

676
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: keep them talking. And so as I don't understand my

677
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: son's journey, and that sympathized with, you know, I go

678
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: and I look at my let me see what kind

679
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: of hate he getting, right, I sympathize with this young

680
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: man who gets hate for nothing.

681
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: No one knows me. He's on his own journey in life.

682
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 5: And he's been you know, whether it's me, whether it's Brownie,

683
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: whether it's this player, this player, he's getting compared to them,

684
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: and I'm just that's life at the same time, Right,

685
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 5: You're going to be compared to a lot of different

686
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: people if you if you want to do something great.

687
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: I had had Ken Griffy or one time, and he

688
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: said he kind of he always saw his go see

689
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: his son's play, he said, but it was tough on him,

690
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: he said, because if his son made a mistake and

691
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: he struck out, the people in the stand will say, well,

692
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: you're not your dad. And Griffy one day said, he said,

693
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: well name five players who are so let me put

694
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: that in my nose. We get that to my son. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

695
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: he said, well name five players who are. But d

696
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: just imagine, how do you think your life would do?

697
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: How different would your life have been like today's kid

698
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: with the social media aspect high school, college. You did

699
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: have some social media later in your NBA, but I

700
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think you started with it.

701
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: How different would your life have been?

702
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: It's too much access. I got four kids now, it's

703
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: too much access.

704
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: You better have too much access.

705
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: You can get to anybody because you got everybody number.

706
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: You know what It was the.

707
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: Way back when you and I was growing up in

708
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: high school and in college. If you saw a beautiful

709
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: girl in Miami, you don't know if she was from

710
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Miami or where she was from. You might not ever

711
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: see again. Now you just go on social media. You're like,

712
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: oh she and I can get there or I.

713
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Can get it here.

714
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: That's listen.

715
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: I'm glad social media walning around as I was a

716
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: young boy trying to focus on accomplishing something that only

717
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 5: a few can accomplish. You know how focused and locked

718
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: you can't have distraction.

719
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: You can't the media like a Lebron like like Mahomes

720
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady or you talked to d Wade is different.

721
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 5: I give these kids a lot of credit to be

722
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 5: able to juggle both. Like I understand the great, the

723
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 5: great things about social media. Yeah we get the benefits, yes,

724
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: But on the on the other end, if you're trying

725
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: to accomplish what I know a lot of these young

726
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: men say or what they're trying, and they get up

727
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 5: every day to work their ass off and accomplished this distraction,

728
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 5: it's going to get in the way at some point

729
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: when you're trying to go to that when you're trying

730
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 5: to reach that penthouse level in your sport right.

731
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Right, like you can get you can get to the

732
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: first level.

733
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 5: You get in the lobby, Yeah, you're the hotel, but

734
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: there's a special key card that goes to the penthouse,

735
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: right And it's a lot of sacrifice that you got

736
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: to have to get to that penthouse level. And a

737
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: lot of guys won't get there because of certain things.

738
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 5: That's a distraction, and social media is a big distraction

739
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: for the for the generation.

740
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: How how many did you have to leave a whole

741
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: lot of homeboys? Because everybody, you know, people say they sacrifice,

742
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: and you sacrifice a lot, Like as far as your time,

743
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't go to you missed a lot

744
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: of your kids things, recitals and piano lessons or whatever

745
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: the case may be. You sacrificed a lot of that.

746
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm noticing guys won't sacrifice a homeboy. Man,

747
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: he was there from the beginning. Man, I can't let

748
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: my homeboy go pro. But he holding you back. He

749
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: put you in a situation where you can't climb to

750
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the top because he's holding you back. Was it difficult

751
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: for you to leave some of the homeboys even though

752
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, bro, we grew up together.

753
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: But where I'm ascending to.

754
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: It was, and it is right, especially when you're young.

755
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 5: When you're young, man, you growing up and you growing

756
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: up in an improvished community, all you got is your homeboy, right,

757
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: your family right, And so y'all all have the same

758
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: dream together to a point where your dream become everybody right,

759
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: right when you're the one who's and so man, when

760
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: I made it, Man, my whole everybody was we made it,

761
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: we in here, and so you carry that, You carry

762
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: that mentality like, yo, we all here, we all made it,

763
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 5: and you try to allow access for everybody, because if

764
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: you're that person, you try to allow access to bring

765
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 5: everybody with you. But we all know how that's gonna work.

766
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: It's only gonna be. Man, if you lucky, you'll find

767
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: a maver Carter in a bunch. If you lucky, if

768
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: you're lucky, you'll find someone who wants more than what

769
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: just they're giving. Because everybody, when you get into the league,

770
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 5: you get in that situation, everybody loves what. They love,

771
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: the sneakers, they they love, the outfits they get. How

772
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 5: many people you're gonna find is gonna out go and

773
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: be like, yo, thank you for getting us here. Now

774
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: I gotta go get mine right away. I ain't talking

775
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: about once is over and it doesn't happen often. And

776
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: a lot of it too, is you are not in

777
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 5: a position where you come from enough to tell these individuals,

778
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: hey man, I might be able to value a gift

779
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: to say, you know, thanks for being my homeboy. You

780
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 5: gonna watch you go even a car because we got

781
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: it like that. But I can't take care of your

782
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 5: entire life. That is that is for your entire life.

783
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 5: And so that's a hard conversation to have when y'all

784
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 5: all have a dream.

785
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all grew up. Man, I knew you were

786
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: you to have anything. Man, you at my house. You

787
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: sleep on my couch?

788
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, cause you feel like man, yeah, and if you

789
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: don't got to. Most most times people get rid of

790
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: stuff like this when they got a woman to come

791
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 5: in and she'd be like, yo, he can't be sleeping

792
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 5: on the couch your homeboy can't have to keep that

793
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 5: because that's how it is, right. And it came it

794
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: took my wife to come in and be like she

795
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 5: was older woman that came in, like, what's going on

796
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: in this frat house?

797
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Y'all got going on? What's something is doing room?

798
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And I kind of have

799
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: to like, oh, you're right, I'm with a grown woman.

800
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: Now.

801
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 5: I had to clear shop a little bit. And so

802
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 5: sometimes it takes certain people to come in to show

803
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 5: you like yo, like what are you doing right? And

804
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 5: you know, hopefully it's not something that happens that's in

805
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: a negative form to make you be like, oh, I

806
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 5: got to get rid of. And it's not about getting

807
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 5: rid of, it's like, hey, like I got here because X,

808
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 5: Y and Z we all hear. Hey, you want to

809
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: go to school, You want to do something for yourself,

810
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: You want to do something for your family, for your kids.

811
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: One day you're gonna have a daughter, Like and I

812
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 5: just talked to my brother, say, you got a little girl.

813
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: What you're gonna show her? She looking at you to

814
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 5: see how it is that what man she wants? So

815
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: what are you gonna do?

816
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: You don't want to. You don't want her to be like,

817
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: oh he get money from Uncle Dwayne. Where you need something?

818
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 5: You want her to know that you get up every day,

819
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 5: you go work and go grind and make sure she

820
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: has what she needs. And that's what her man should do.

821
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: Whatever it is, however, you want to raise your child.

822
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: And so that's that's how I approached it eventually, right, you.

823
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Got no dog in the fight through the lot been

824
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: going over the last three four months with Jah Moran.

825
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: If you, as a player or a player, what advice

826
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: could you what advice would you give him?

827
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: And what advice would you give him. If you were

828
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: his father, this was your place.

829
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Ja Morant's Dwayne Wade's son, what advice? What would you

830
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: tell him?

831
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's obviously a tough question. But you know,

832
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: I what I try to do with my kids is

833
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: like I don't like, I'm not trying to I'm not

834
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: gonna act like life.

835
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: Is not gonna happen, right, Okay, you know what I'm saying.

836
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna act like some mistakes are not gonna happen.

837
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 5: Try to minimize them, but you try to, right, that's

838
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: our job to try to minimize, but they're gonna happen.

839
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Actually, you need some of them to happen.

840
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: Right.

841
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna make this about shame on you. Okay.

842
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 5: This is a part of this journey that we're on.

843
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 5: This is this is something that we can use as

844
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 5: a learning lesson and learning too. And my question to

845
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: anybody is what do you want for your life? And

846
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 5: so if you sit and tell me, because I know

847
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 5: what y'all probably won't. He wants to be one of

848
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 5: the greatest, correct Now, you want to be one of

849
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: the greatest. Okay, Now, let me open up the books

850
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: to show you what the greats do and how they

851
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 5: go buy their business and how they separate this in

852
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 5: it like you know what I'm saying, it's more so

853
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: of Sean.

854
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: All right, let me open up the book. Who your

855
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: favorite players? Oh?

856
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: I love Kobe, I love Lebron, I love MJ. Let

857
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: me show you what the guys that have a statue,

858
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 5: This is how they did it, and the look they

859
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: went through stuff. Right, All these guys, all of us

860
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: go through something, right, Look how they And so it's

861
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: just about showing the man like he's job's twenty three

862
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 5: years old. Three, he's a young man who's supposed to

863
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 5: make mistakes. Now, do we want him to make the

864
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 5: mistakes that he made? Of course we don't. But that's

865
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: not our we don't get to determine that, right, And

866
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 5: so it's a it's a mistake twice, No we don't.

867
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: But if you make it twice, we don't want to

868
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: make it three times. We don't get rid of you

869
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: because you make it twice. That's not how this works

870
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 5: like this, we can't do that. And if I'm your father,

871
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: that's not that's not my ministry. I'm here, I'm here

872
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 5: for the long haul. And so if I'm your father, Okay,

873
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 5: you've made the same mistake twice. You know what, I've

874
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 5: done the same thing. I've made the same mistake twice

875
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 5: in other instance as well. It just wasn't in front

876
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: of the whole world. And so that's how I go

877
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: in and that's how our parent my kids. It's not

878
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: I don't go in with shame with you, because I

879
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 5: know that when you got to make certain decisions, you

880
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 5: can have a lapse for one second.

881
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: It ain't even got to be a whole twenty four hours.

882
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: It could be one second.

883
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: Lapse changes a lot, and I've had them right, and

884
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: so you know, I just think like, like, I don't

885
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 5: know j'all like that. So I wouldn't pick up the

886
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 5: phone and be like, yo, young fell he not listening

887
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: to me necessarily like that. That's not my ministry with him,

888
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 5: but as someone who wants to see him go to

889
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: the level that man. John Moran is my one of

890
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: my favorite players to wise. If I'm gonna spend my cash,

891
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 5: jians on my top three players that I'm gonna go

892
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 5: spend my money on. And so you know, my conversation

893
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: with him will be that what do you what do

894
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 5: you want for your.

895
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: Future one of your classmates teammates contemplating retire Lebron, Lebron,

896
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: you want to.

897
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Know, you want to get your get let me get your.

898
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, give me that, give me that.

899
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're talking about the man just had

900
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: forty ten and nine on Yeah, you don't hate Okay, Okay,

901
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: I was gonna make sure we're talking about the same.

902
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: But he's But he said, you know, nobody get weary. Man.

903
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: You know it's getting hard and hard for me to

904
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: summon it up. You know, I'm playing on this t

905
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: give you a little week. There is the getting harder and

906
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: hard for him to summers it up. And you know

907
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: I ain't getting no younger. I need a little help

908
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: here and there. So you didn't buy the part that

909
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: Lebron was thinking about.

910
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 3: All my money still in my pocket, I ain't buy nothing.

911
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: It's the moment after the game, man.

912
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: It's a lot like that, you know, Like obviously they

913
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 5: where they came back from shout out to the Lakers,

914
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 5: from making the moves that they made to help them

915
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: make that push, and so yeah, the conversation in the

916
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: locker room may not be as funny no more, because

917
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 5: you don't have a lot of comment with the next generation,

918
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: right right, You get tired of the travel. The travel

919
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 5: gets old because you ain't traveling around the world.

920
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: You ain't going out to France.

921
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: Yea a Sacramento, you know, go to Utah.

922
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 5: Listen, it's only so many times that you want to

923
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: keep doing that same route. So yes, when you look

924
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: at all of that, it beats you down mentally. Physically,

925
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 5: we know what it is. I mean, he's a physical specimen.

926
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: But at the same time, physically it's gonna beat him down, right, Okay.

927
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: That's it.

928
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

929
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna ask him.

930
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, bro, you for real that that's not

931
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 5: about that's not my But like I looked at I

932
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: was like.

933
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I ain't buying that. I know what I know.

934
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: Where after the season right now, would they asking you

935
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: this question in this more? But also know when he

936
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: get away and he go ahead to Mexico, he go

937
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 5: away to the south of France, he on his yacht

938
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 5: for the summer. He gonna look around and be like, okay,

939
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: the King coming, the King coming back.

940
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready.

941
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: How many more years do you think Lebron can play

942
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: at this level, it's.

943
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: Greatly because we've never nobody has ever been in their peak,

944
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: regardless of sport, as lonely as this man has been

945
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: in been in.

946
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: This is prime, so to speak.

947
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Nobody's had a twenty year peak's injury.

948
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: If he doesn't get injured, he takes care of himself.

949
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a.

950
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Look at him.

951
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: First of all, let's look at one of his legs

952
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: is two of mine put together. He ain't built like

953
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: a normal person.

954
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 5: Okay, so that was God gave him that blessing. You

955
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 5: built different, and so he has the mental to continue

956
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 5: to keep the mental strong. That's one of the hardest parts.

957
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: If you physically can play, mentally, you lose it quicker

958
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: than even physical Sometime, like mentally I was done. I

959
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: had I had two three more years at a certain level.

960
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: I could ever about twelve to fifteen the game of

961
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 5: the team off the bench. But mentally, because of the injuries,

962
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: because of all the things that it beat me down

963
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 5: where it wasn't I love the game, I can't wait

964
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 5: to watch the game. But mentally, and so Lebron has

965
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: been able to mentally tell himself.

966
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: You're not tired, you're not injured.

967
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: You're like he's been able to mentally do that, and

968
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: now I've got a chance to watch it for four

969
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 5: years like he would if he was hurt.

970
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: He never would.

971
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 5: He couldn't even talk that language in front of him,

972
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 5: Like even if bro, you hurt, Now I'm not hurt.

973
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: Your ankle hurt? No, not hurt.

974
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 5: Because the mind is strong, right, his mind, and so

975
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: that's why the strongest, that's one of the strongest twos

976
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: is his mind. We know it from an IQ standpoint.

977
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 5: You and I look at him like, oh man, he

978
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 5: has a crazy IQ. No, he has an intelligent, strong mind.

979
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 3: And so that allows him to keep going.

980
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 5: And so long as his mind stay strong, which is

981
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: obviously it gets hard and hard every year, right, and

982
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 5: his body says strong. I mean he's he can average

983
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: twenty plus for the next.

984
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: Couple years of argument.

985
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't miss those games with the growing first year

986
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: in LA, he doesn't hurt that ankle and missing Let's

987
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: just say, for.

988
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: You can't say that if I don't have three kne

989
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 5: So we're doing ifs nown you the league, Yeah, I

990
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: had one in college and two in the league.

991
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing if. Now, Okay, because we're doing if

992
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: then let's talk.

993
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, how about this year.

994
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do our year here, Okay, if the

995
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: ankle doesn't get hurt this year, the tendon this year.

996
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Do you think the outcome is different between them and Denver?

997
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't.

998
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: I think the outcome is different between the Lakers. With

999
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: him getting that time away. Actually, we got a chance

1000
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 5: to see them grow as a team outside of Lebron. Okay,

1001
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: we got to see a d grow at that level.

1002
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: Obviously when he's on the floor, we was like top

1003
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 5: five player in the league. Right, We got a chance

1004
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: to see what the d LO can bring and what

1005
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 5: all three can bring.

1006
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: He actually really grew. Ron's absence.

1007
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 5: The best thing that happened to the Lakers, right was

1008
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: Lebron's absence because it allowed him to not have to

1009
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: depend on him right, Right, Because when you got a

1010
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: great player, you depend on that great player, right, And

1011
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 5: so they had the rock and they had something to

1012
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: play for in the middle of that, and so I

1013
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 5: think it was great for the Lakers, and that allowed

1014
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 5: him to come back. And if you seen when he

1015
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: came out, he was a different player than it was

1016
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 5: where he went out. Even though his numbers were still big,

1017
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 5: he wasn't leading the charge as much. Right right, He

1018
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 5: was allowing Reeves, he was allowing a d and all

1019
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 5: these guys to do their thing, and he was just

1020
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: kind of a shadow box until he needed to be Lebron.

1021
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: And so it was beautiful to watch d Wade.

1022
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: I think you did something not a whole lot of

1023
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: guys could do.

1024
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: Sacrifice.

1025
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: You sacrifice. Now it's one thing to sacrifice if we

1026
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: come together. But I'm already established here. I've already won

1027
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: the finals MVP. I've already demand here. And you asking

1028
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: me to come, you coming in my house and asking

1029
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: you to share, You have me sharing. You want us

1030
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: hitt the head of the table when that's my head

1031
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: of the table. Now you want me to get out

1032
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: of my bed. You gonna get the big bed. How

1033
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: were you able to do? Everybody can't do that the

1034
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: way everybody say that now you know, everybody to get

1035
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: in front of the camera, it is, oh, yeah, you know,

1036
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: I sacrifice all day, but you know deep down everybody

1037
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: can't do what you did. How and why?

1038
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: Well, why it's easy? I wanted to win.

1039
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Everybody say they want to win.

1040
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Well, they be.

1041
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: Lying, Okay, all right, we said, now what's the action?

1042
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: And so I wanted to win. And the reason I

1043
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 5: wanted to win because when I came in the game,

1044
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: this is what was said to be in this breath,

1045
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 5: in this conversation, you have to win championships. Every generation

1046
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 5: is different than the conversations surrounding guys is different. I

1047
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: didn't have the Steph Curry range. I didn't have the

1048
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 5: dame like I wasn't gonna put up thirty thousand points, right,

1049
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 5: so for me to put my name and sign my

1050
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 5: name in heaven, I wanted my game to be accumulation

1051
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: of it all. But it needs to be winning. It

1052
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 5: needs to be led by winning for me, right, And

1053
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: so that wasn't a facade. And when the opportunities came,

1054
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 5: I always put myself in a position to do that right.

1055
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: And so you can ask anybody who work with me,

1056
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 5: maybe most people who walk in the room with me

1057
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 5: in the meetings, and it could be a meaningful weight enterprises.

1058
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 5: I don't sit at the head of the table. I

1059
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 5: like to sit in the middle, like to sit in

1060
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: the seats in the middle. I like to be amongst everybody,

1061
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: to have conversations with everybody.

1062
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to be at the head. It's lonely

1063
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: at the head of the table. And so when Lebron

1064
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: came and C became, I was like, Oh, you want

1065
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: to sit.

1066
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: At the head. Cool.

1067
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go where I'm comfortable. Because here's the thing.

1068
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 5: I haven't been a star of my whole life. I

1069
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: played so many roles my entire basketball career, and I

1070
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: think that's one of the reasons why I look at

1071
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: myself as one of the greatest players, because I didn't

1072
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 5: do it one way. I showed you how to be

1073
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 5: great in so many different ways and so many different times.

1074
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 5: My game change and evolved so much right and so

1075
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 5: to me, that's greatness as a basketball player. And I

1076
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: wonder challenge myself throughout my career to see if I

1077
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 5: could do stuff different, like, Okay, thirty points a game,

1078
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 5: the League one did that, What's next? Finals MVP got

1079
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: that did like I'm all about like what's next? And

1080
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: so when the opportunity came in twenty ten, I was like, Okay,

1081
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: this is another challenge for me to play with somebody

1082
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 5: I never thought i'd play with someone I admire so much,

1083
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 5: but how can I play with the guy that I

1084
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 5: know is ball dominant.

1085
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: When I become ball dominant, right, pick on my challenge.

1086
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: And so I just learned how to play off the ball.

1087
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: I learned, Well, you want you see the back cuts?

1088
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a budget, you got a bunch of

1089
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: yeah game you like.

1090
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: You run an old Prinston.

1091
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 5: James mcga and you know what to go back real quick.

1092
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 5: I'm sorry because I didn't say this. We talk about

1093
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame when you talk about Dirk cast

1094
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: changed the game for his position, right like, right now,

1095
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: you got people the stretch, you got people in the gym,

1096
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 5: right now putting that try to get that one tight

1097
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 5: hit right Tony Parker, I felt like Tony Parker was

1098
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 5: amazing point guard, but he was like a he was

1099
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 5: like a big man because when he got in the post,

1100
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: his footwork was crazy. When he got in the paint,

1101
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 5: his footwork was crazy, like he got you up and

1102
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: numbers all there, right, and so just just amazing to

1103
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 5: see like a point guard, but when he got to

1104
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 5: the paint, he became one of the best big men

1105
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 5: in the game. A lot of people don't know that Powell.

1106
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 5: When I played with I played with Powell one time

1107
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 5: and we got invited to Barack's President Barack Obama's forty

1108
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: ninth birthday powder party at the White House, and I

1109
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: got a chance to play with Powell.

1110
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: Kobe was like, don't get used.

1111
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: To it.

1112
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Was hitting me with I was like, oh, Kobe, this

1113
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: is easy. I gotta throw the shack. You actually getting

1114
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: it back. So I just wanted to throw that out

1115
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: about the Hall of Famers.

1116
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 5: Man just so honored to be in a class with

1117
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: guys who changed the games for their position.

1118
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: I think I was one of the guys who.

1119
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 5: Came in and evolved and evolved, evolved the game in

1120
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: my position and gave it just a little different.

1121
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Look, where are you on this, because somehow it has

1122
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: gotten skewed over the years because they've taken away from it.

1123
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: It's like, if you don't have a ring, you can't

1124
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: be great, d Wade. I believe you could be a

1125
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: great player and not have a ring, because they are great.

1126
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: There are players that have multiple rings that aren't great players,

1127
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: and there are great players that don't have any ring.

1128
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: So when did this happen that if you don't have

1129
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: a ring you're not a great player. When did that happen?

1130
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: With it two thousand and five? When did this happen?

1131
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 5: I don't know when it happened. You know, man, a

1132
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: lot of people have what we have right here. A

1133
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: lot of people have a microphone, and their microphone is powerful.

1134
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 5: And so someone said this alone the way.

1135
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: And you said enough, people started believing, like, yeah.

1136
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 5: It makes no sense, Like here it is, okay. So

1137
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 5: I won a championship in the NBA, I didn't win

1138
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 5: in college. They went in high school, so far and

1139
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: so on. So does that make me greater than Carmelo?

1140
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: Because Carmelo wanted college. Cammello probably wanted a couple state championship, right,

1141
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 5: Like it's different times. We have an opportunity because of

1142
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 5: our talent, because our team, But that time is there

1143
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 5: for you, right and you try to strike that doesn't

1144
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: happen just because you're a great Playerization you gotta do

1145
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 5: they part right. You got to put the right team

1146
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 5: around you. You gotta put the right talent around Like if

1147
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 5: you look at Alan irvs in the Philadelphi's seventy six ers,

1148
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: they put the they structured the right team around him

1149
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 5: to give this many chance to be his to be

1150
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 5: his individual great self.

1151
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: Take the ball out and they did.

1152
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: They roll. Hey, you block shots at the rim? Yeah, yep,

1153
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: ex know, if he throw it.

1154
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: To you, you better shoot ten to fifteen feet only

1155
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 5: like they played their roles right and so but it

1156
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 5: took the organization, It took the gym and to everybody

1157
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 5: to make sure there was the right talent around Ai.

1158
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: So you're telling me Ai is not great if he

1159
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 5: don't make the finals run, or if they don't bring

1160
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: in my tumble, if they don't bring in these guys

1161
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 5: to open the floor for him to defend for him,

1162
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: all these things. And so the concept of a great

1163
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 5: player is not great because he didn't win a ring.

1164
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: Everybody can't win a ring. You'll have a different champion

1165
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: every year.

1166
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: And that's what it was, that defeat. Now, the rings

1167
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: would be meaningless if everybody won one. What's the value

1168
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: in that.

1169
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: There's no value in it.

1170
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 5: That's why it's such premium on it because everybody can't

1171
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: get one. It doesn't matter how great you are. You

1172
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 5: will not walk away with a ring just because you're great.

1173
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 5: It's players that are way greater than me, and they

1174
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 5: won't walk away with three rings. Right, That doesn't mean

1175
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 5: that I'm greater than that, I'm better than them because

1176
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: I have three rings, right, or because another player has

1177
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 5: one or two, because you got players that got rings

1178
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 5: that ain't even didn't do nothing to get those rings,

1179
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 5: so they make them.

1180
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: That's not how it goes. Now, I understand that.

1181
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay, when you start talking about that pyramid, Okay, now

1182
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: it's third, second, third rings map.

1183
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 5: Well, because here we go, let's go back to the hotel.

1184
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 5: It's a different room, right, Like it's a hey, we

1185
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 5: all great, Yes, what you say one ring group is

1186
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 5: going over here? Okay, we'll just say that who got

1187
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 5: three rings?

1188
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: Going?

1189
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: You know how it go?

1190
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 5: And so I got a card for the three rings.

1191
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 5: I can have conversations with a couple of guys in there,

1192
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: but I can't go to the four or five. It's

1193
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 5: certain rooms I can't even go in, right, So it's okay,

1194
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 5: doesn't take away nothing from your greatness. We can all

1195
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 5: sit in the room of the top seventy five, top hundred,

1196
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 5: But then they gonna separate you from the rooms of champions, right,

1197
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 5: but your.

1198
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: Team's gonna be in that with you. They don't bring

1199
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: champions in.

1200
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: One person because it's not golf it's not tens and

1201
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 5: so far. So your team got to come into the

1202
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 5: two six Miami Heat. And so if they haven't put

1203
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 5: a team around you that allows you to be there,

1204
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 5: or if your time and hasn't hit, it's timing. Michael

1205
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 5: Jordan came around and messed everybody timing. Yes, Lebron James

1206
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 5: been in the finals ten to twelve years, how many

1207
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 5: opportunities do you get? Doesn't And so I hate that

1208
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 5: notion because that doesn't mean that Dame or and I'm

1209
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: not saying he won't get one, but right now that

1210
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 5: Dame is not.

1211
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: You can't tell me Dame.

1212
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 5: Is not one of the greatest players that we've seen

1213
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 5: play this game. If he walk away with no rings,

1214
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 5: does that take away where we've watching Dame? Not for me,

1215
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: not individually. It just means it doesn't. Now we know

1216
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 5: if he got the right team, he's not selfish. We

1217
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 5: know Dame gonna make sure other guys eat right. But

1218
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: he hasn't had the team that has allowed him at

1219
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 5: the right time to be better than the Lakers.

1220
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Need to be more selfish. When he had that seventy one,

1221
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: I said, you need to be more selfish, you need

1222
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: to get eighty that night they started telling you like, nah,

1223
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. When you played with Lebron,

1224
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: you see him from a distance, Was he better up

1225
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: closed than you thought? Even you thought he was from

1226
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: a distance?

1227
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: One? He was better in practice and I thought he

1228
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: was in the games.

1229
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: What.

1230
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: I didn't get a chance to watch the other goats

1231
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 5: because it's multiple goals to pro in what era. But

1232
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 5: I did get a chance to watch this era. One

1233
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 5: of this era's goats, which is Lebron, Kobe's won and

1234
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 5: Lebron's one. And when I saw him in practice, it

1235
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 5: was a separator from.

1236
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: Me of good to great to goats.

1237
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: You cannot do the things that he did and how

1238
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 5: he did it.

1239
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: And so so we take it for granted. Of course,

1240
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: of course we do.

1241
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: And it's not that we won't have another great player

1242
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 5: to come along. We just will not have another n Right,

1243
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: we're still talking about Jordan all these years because we took.

1244
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: It for granted in the moment right now.

1245
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 5: It's like it's like when you watch when you watch

1246
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: the dunk contest with you there, sometimes you can't see

1247
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 5: what really happened, right, You got to look everybody looking

1248
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 5: for the instant replay slow motion, slow down, actually see

1249
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: what happened.

1250
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: That's what happened.

1251
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: When your career ends.

1252
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: As a Lebron career ends, we're gonna actually start looking

1253
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 5: at seeing what happened and what he actually did. Right

1254
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 5: and now we're gonna be like oh, because right now

1255
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 5: we're in it and we send it in fast motion

1256
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: and we can't really see everything that he's accomplishing.

1257
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: If they were to redraft the two thousand and and

1258
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: your class, the two thousand and three class, obviously, Lebron's

1259
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna go number one?

1260
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: Where's d Wade going if they redrafted? So we had.

1261
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: Lebron one dark old Mellow cb U if they redraft,

1262
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: So we redrafted.

1263
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: Like redrafted after the career, like where we redraft? What

1264
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 5: point are we redrafted in? Like now was we sitting

1265
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 5: here or.

1266
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1267
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: You know what?

1268
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do I think even if we redrafted, Lebron's

1269
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna go number one. We we agree with that. So yeah,

1270
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: we go back.

1271
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 5: And look at everybody's career. Okay, where do you think

1272
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 5: you going? Where I should have went? Probably if you

1273
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 5: could do it to Denver?

1274
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: Denver, so you should have been a third pick.

1275
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mellow should have been a second pick and not.

1276
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: And Chris Boss was a fourth pick.

1277
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 5: But you know, when it comes to bigs, is about

1278
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 5: what team needs that kind of big, right, So obviously

1279
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 5: Toronto needed them.

1280
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: Miami Heat needed a big.

1281
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 5: They would have drafted Chris Bosher Toronto and take them

1282
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 5: right right, I would have went to the Heat.

1283
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 3: So if you do it all over, I would probably

1284
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: go third to Denver.

1285
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation. I think

1286
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: Mellow brought it up. So don't get mad at me,

1287
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: Mello said. He said, don't get mad, Mello said.

1288
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: Bello said he should have been Rookie of the Year.

1289
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: He should have been rooky. I heard that you.

1290
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: So I ain't trying to start nothing, he said it.

1291
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 5: Well, he said, at least cold, it's an argument. Yeah,

1292
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 5: he had an argument then, and he has an argument now.

1293
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 5: Takes nothing away from Lebron and the regular year. But

1294
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 5: let's look at what Mellow did over there in the

1295
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 5: Western Conference.

1296
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: On the game, six rebounds the game, almost three assists,

1297
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: shot forty four percent from the floor, and his.

1298
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: Team made on the playoff team playoff team.

1299
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: Lebron was twenty one twenty one point.

1300
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: Nine five and a half rebounds six and sists, shot

1301
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: forty three percent from the floor. Team didn't make the

1302
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: playoff co work here of the year.

1303
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: It should have been.

1304
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: It should have been because they get it for Grant

1305
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: Hill and Jason Kidd.

1306
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all showed us that y'all can do it right.

1307
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: Co work here of the year.

1308
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 5: If we're going by the numbers and how everything is, like, right, Like, yeah,

1309
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 5: Lebron had more assists. Yeah, but when you look at it,

1310
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 5: he's doing this on a ready.

1311
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: Made playoff team, which is harder.

1312
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: Right, Lebron's doing on an eighteen year old kid that's

1313
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: coming in to save a franchise.

1314
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: Right.

1315
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: They both deserved it, right, Yeah.

1316
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: Mellow line, Yeah it could have been.

1317
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, listen, Mellow ain't trying to take nothing away

1318
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 5: from Bron, right. Mellow is like, but I know I

1319
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 5: put the same effort level work in, but y'all didn't

1320
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 5: want to. They don't want to give it to him.

1321
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 5: He and he was warning to do rags they want.

1322
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 5: They won't mess with Mellow at that time. But I mean,

1323
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 5: if you look at it at that time, it's it's

1324
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 5: been a few times. What it's All Star games where

1325
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 5: a certain times you're like, oh, two people, should they

1326
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 5: deserve it and it's okay to code.

1327
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you think they'll be code m vps.

1328
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know that the games changes so much

1329
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 5: what they do one from the East versus and one

1330
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 5: from the West.

1331
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: No, why not? Well that I mean they don't. You

1332
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: don't know what baseball do. It happened like American League

1333
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: MVP and National League MVP. Football don't do it. You

1334
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: have one m v P. I don't think they'll do that.

1335
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 3: But it's not why not?

1336
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 5: It's not equal? You don't play every team equally. You

1337
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 5: don't like it's not so why are you giving out.

1338
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 2: You think the West plays different than the East.

1339
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 3: They play at a different time, for sure, No they do.

1340
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: It's different. Like why not have an East versus?

1341
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 5: Like I understand how it's been, But if we break

1342
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: this down right now and all these new awards that's

1343
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 5: coming up, why not reimagine this thing that ain't.

1344
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: Really got no new award They just gave him from names.

1345
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: You know, you got the labbird in the Magine doctor

1346
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: the ward you got.

1347
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 5: No, but you get MVPs for Eastern Commerce Finals. I

1348
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 5: didn't get an MVP for East Commerce finals. I just

1349
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: got it for the NBA fight. So like their new awards.

1350
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 5: Now at it, it's more you got more.

1351
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, Lebron would showing up being none questions Lebron

1352
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: got you would have ten Eastern conferences.

1353
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a lot. Like you get some scoring Chameman.

1354
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: They given all these awards.

1355
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: They can clutch award how many times?

1356
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: And fourth quarter I was in there, I was the

1357
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: leading scorer. No, I mean awards I have.

1358
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

1359
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 5: So if we're reimagining things, then let's reimagine it. Let's

1360
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 5: give an MVP off for the East and the MVP

1361
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 5: off for the West.

1362
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: Shock comes to Miami. You're already solidified as a player.

1363
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: How easy was it for you? How accepting were you

1364
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: of shock? Like man, and we're getting shot.

1365
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: It's shocked. I would be a fool.

1366
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 5: I would have been a fool, and I would still

1367
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 5: be a fool if I didn't come in all ear

1368
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 5: my ears opened, my eyes buck white and listening to everything.

1369
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 5: That one of the greatest players, I mean at that time,

1370
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 5: he already had three rings on the fifty Greatest Players

1371
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 5: of all time so far and so on. So I

1372
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 5: was like this, yes, yes, hey, that's why I went

1373
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 5: the ball right. Oh yeah, listen, he let Shaq is

1374
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 5: a very honest man to me, and our relationship is

1375
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: a one two punch. He came in, he sat down

1376
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 5: just like this. We sat down and it was very candid.

1377
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 5: It was very short. He was like, listen, Flashes, is

1378
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: your team? Wait one flashit. He eventually got to that,

1379
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to help you become one of the greatest

1380
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 5: to play this game. I'm going to help you be

1381
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: a superstar. When I asked for the ball, throw it.

1382
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: To his hand, it was we had a real easy relationship.

1383
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: If Shaq did like this to that right hand, turn five,

1384
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: get shocked the ball? What you want? You want a lie,

1385
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: big fellow, I have nothing to like. Shaq helped me

1386
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: and sold me, like my confidences. I walked out on

1387
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 3: that court.

1388
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 5: It's, you know, like when I got the NBA the

1389
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: Miami Heat that we want nothing.

1390
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: Nobody was checking for us.

1391
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 5: When I walked out there my second year and Shaq

1392
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 5: was walking out there, my shoulders got a little bag

1393
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: of test my big you see my big brother, right,

1394
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And so he helped me

1395
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 5: so much. He took my career that was probably gonna

1396
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 5: go like this.

1397
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: Right away.

1398
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 5: And it was the confidence that he gave me. Think

1399
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 5: about him, man, one of the greatest evers say is

1400
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: your show.

1401
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna back you up. I got you and everything.

1402
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: Man, I'm looking at you.

1403
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: In your third season, you lead the Heat to the

1404
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: to the championship, You're the finals, MVP, and y'all went

1405
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: four straight. You go forty two, thirty six, forty three,

1406
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: thirty six.

1407
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: It's a bad boy.

1408
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: Forty forty two, thirty six, forty two in game three,

1409
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: thirty six, in game four, forty three, in game five,

1410
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: thirty six.

1411
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 5: In game six, the haters gonna say, I shot twenty

1412
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 5: three throws.

1413
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, big points.

1414
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: You were you were you were attacking, you attacking the back,

1415
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: you and you are attacking food back.

1416
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: Well, I want to jump shooting fool.

1417
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that I was gonna get in one

1418
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 5: way or the other.

1419
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: So what's going through your mind?

1420
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Because that one game, I don't know if it was

1421
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Game three or Game three, you guys were down, and

1422
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: I remember you saying like, Man, I ain't.

1423
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: Going out like that.

1424
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna like I ain't going No, that ain't

1425
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: about to happen.

1426
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 5: No, First of all, you want you one thing we

1427
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 5: all want where we come from.

1428
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: We want some stripes in the hood.

1429
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1430
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: Back at the crib, I need my stripes.

1431
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: Right.

1432
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there and I'm like, we ain't getting we

1433
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: ain't about to get beat like this.

1434
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 5: I know everybody back in Chicago, but I know they

1435
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 5: watching this game, right, And I just through that time,

1436
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 5: I was just thinking of everything. I'm like, nah, I

1437
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 5: ain't going out like this. If I'm gonna go out,

1438
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: I'm about to go out letting these things fly. This

1439
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 5: ball about to go up, baby, I'm gonna tell you that.

1440
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 5: And then they start going in. But just the mentality

1441
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 5: to say, you know what we hear. I don't know

1442
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 5: because I'm young, so I don't I don't know if

1443
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: this is gonna happen again, I'm not even thinking that way.

1444
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 5: But what I do know is if we go down three, oh,

1445
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 5: it's probably it's probably over. And so we get so

1446
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 5: when we came out of that huddle down thirteen at

1447
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 5: the crib, I was like, well, our young fella, all

1448
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 5: the things you told yourself if you get this opportunity, yeah,

1449
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: flash all these cool nicknames it's time to do it.

1450
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: Did you know you were gonna have that type of

1451
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: night going into the game, because sometimes you can tell,

1452
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: like man the way to shoot around and warm up.

1453
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: I felt really good, so you kind of get a

1454
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: feeling that something special might happen.

1455
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 5: Well, so a lot of people, I mean doesn't make

1456
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 5: it like it doesn't make me a hero or hit

1457
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 5: work at all. But I was sick when I was

1458
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: sick in the round before, and so once we got

1459
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 5: to the first two games versus Dallas, I was still sick.

1460
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: We got a butt beat.

1461
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 5: But if you watch my numbers, I had like twenty

1462
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 5: five twenty nine, Like I was in that range. Maybe

1463
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 5: not high percentage, but I was in that range, and

1464
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 5: I was I was like out there figuring things out right.

1465
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, this is where I can tag,

1466
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 5: this where I can get my spot, so far and

1467
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 5: so on. So by the time we got to game three,

1468
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 5: now we're home, confidence is a little bit more. I'm

1469
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 5: feeling better physically, and so once I got to that

1470
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 5: that moment, like I was able to kind of pick

1471
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 5: the game apart because I've already had a doses of

1472
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 5: two other games of how y'all guarded me in the

1473
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 5: fourth and so now it was about me. Just changed

1474
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 5: my mindset of not doing the same thing, and so

1475
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 5: maybe I attacked a little different, Maybe I attacked a

1476
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: little sooner. All these things started changing as the series

1477
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 5: went on, and so it really is a boxing match,

1478
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 5: and they did us like this. The first two games

1479
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 5: they kept us at like this, and then a game

1480
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 5: three they were they were hitting us right, and so

1481
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 5: I had to kind of change my disposition. Had the

1482
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 5: Floyd Mayweather on them, I had to go a different

1483
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 5: show with the b and kind of change up, trying

1484
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 5: to change it up. And then we got a couple

1485
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 5: of calls, We got a couple.

1486
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 3: Of shots to fall change the entire series.

1487
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Were you surprised that the Lakers traded Shot to the Mami?

1488
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, because I didn't really like it was at

1489
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 5: social media. I didn't really know about the beef, the

1490
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 5: internal beef that people talk about. I still don't know

1491
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 5: Shot and I didn't talk a lot of that wasn't

1492
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 5: our relationship, and so so he didn't.

1493
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: So when you when he got there, he like Lakers there,

1494
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: he wanted he wanted to do another.

1495
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: Ring, but he wanted to be first.

1496
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was not. It wasn't no secret Kobe can't

1497
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: get a ring before me. It wasn't no secret.

1498
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 5: In Miami, we all knew, Like I remember it was

1499
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 5: we were, uh we were sixteen games into the first

1500
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 5: season Miami. He ten and six Los Angeles Lakers maybe

1501
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: either tennt six or nine to seven.

1502
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: Check fact check me. We had a meeting led Bashack.

1503
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 5: He went the fuck off because we had the same

1504
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 5: record as the Lakers at that time.

1505
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: You know what we did. We're on the twelve game

1506
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: winn the Street, lost one or two.

1507
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 5: We went on a ten game win the Street, and

1508
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 5: we end up having the best record in the league

1509
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 5: for a long time.

1510
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: But like, he didn't want to be at the same

1511
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: pace as the Lakers.

1512
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 5: He didn't come here to be average, right, and so

1513
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 5: like he demanded something out of us that allowed obviously

1514
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 5: that pushed us to help us win that championship.

1515
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: So how excited was he to get that ring before Kobe?

1516
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: You heard his dis track they have with this record

1517
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: that came out he did, So there you go. Let's

1518
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: go back and look at the lyrics of the distrack you.

1519
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Got compared with, because when he came there, they're like

1520
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: d Wade about to be the next Kobe.

1521
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I ain't like that.

1522
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: You ain't like that.

1523
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: Oh why would I like that? I don't want that.

1524
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: You don't want you don't want that pressure. You want that.

1525
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: I ain't want that. That smoke.

1526
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 3: Kobe got three rings at this time.

1527
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: He's twenty twenty four years old.

1528
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got three rings, Like I played the way

1529
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 5: I played because I.

1530
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Watched Jordan Iverson and Kobe.

1531
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 5: Right now, you're talking about IM, like, don't put me

1532
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 5: there yet, I'm two years in the league, right, And

1533
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 5: so they did, and it become like like I'm still

1534
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 5: a kid who was like, I sickly still want Kobe's.

1535
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: Autographic, Yeah, asking for the shoes at the back of you.

1536
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm secretly like I don't even want to push up

1537
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 3: on him too much.

1538
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: Yet I'm like, I don't know.

1539
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 5: And so as I was trying to find my foot

1540
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: in the league, I said, going to lead they Now

1541
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 5: they're now pinning me with one of my favorite players,

1542
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 5: I guy that I only played once the year before

1543
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: because he was injured the second time.

1544
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: And so now it's this inner beef.

1545
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 5: That we don't even that I don't even know that's

1546
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 5: there that I didn't calls that the media has called.

1547
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: And so now we ain't talking each other.

1548
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: He come.

1549
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not.

1550
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 5: Saying he wasn't, but it's gonna be a little extra

1551
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 5: because y'all say that he next, I'm gonna show y'all's

1552
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 5: that's Kobe. And so what it did do is it

1553
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 5: fast checked me. It brought out a little bit in

1554
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 5: me because like I knew that my goal. I was like,

1555
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: all right, right, he got he has to look at

1556
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 5: me as an equal, not saying that that he thinks

1557
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 5: I'm on his level, but he has to get some

1558
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 5: sleep the night before he plays me. He has to

1559
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 5: guard me. You got to pick me up ninety four

1560
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 5: feet whatever it is. I need to respect from him.

1561
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 5: And so that's that's how I took it. I didn't

1562
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 5: take it as oh, yeah, I am the next code.

1563
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm in this role.

1564
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 5: No, I ain't young had that that's Kobe.

1565
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: No.

1566
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 5: And so I think I built my own sidekick role,

1567
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 5: like to call you a sidekick.

1568
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: I think I build my own lane of how right?

1569
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 3: How my signe kicked ten year.

1570
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: Was I'm looking at your season in two thousand and eight,

1571
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine you became the only player to

1572
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: score two thousand points, five hundred six, one hundred and

1573
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: fifty steels, one hundred blocks.

1574
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: You won't the scoring title. Do you feel you should

1575
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: have won the MVP that season?

1576
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: Of course? But also understand why Lebron won it.

1577
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 5: I think they won sixty seven games, sixty two games,

1578
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 5: and the evers roughly the same, Like I understand it,

1579
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 5: but like as an individual, brother, Yeah, that was my opinion.

1580
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: How different would Dwayne, how different would your basketball life

1581
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: be if you had a regular season NV peeling would

1582
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: you would you look at your career any different?

1583
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: No, I've just been in a few more conversations hearing it.

1584
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: Well, right now, they got you as the third bread

1585
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: shooting guard behind Jordan and Kobe.

1586
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

1587
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 5: I don't care, Like until the next person come along,

1588
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 5: they make me the fourth for the fifth, it doesn't

1589
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 5: matter like I Yeah, we're talking in the barbershopping, were

1590
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 5: talking about rankings. Yeah, I want my name to be

1591
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 5: mentioned with great So if you tell me I'm third,

1592
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 5: I'm not first, so I'm mad about that.

1593
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: But if you tell me i'm third, I can respect

1594
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: the top two that's in front of me.

1595
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 5: Right, but also too, I understand it's all subjective as well,

1596
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 5: is it? West was Iris in the Two Guard? Do

1597
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 5: you love James Harden's style?

1598
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Do you love this? Like?

1599
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: I mean what we're doing here?

1600
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 5: So for me, like to be mentioned with the greats

1601
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 5: is all I ever wanted to put a number on it.

1602
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 5: The number moves right. Maybe I know we're thinking right

1603
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 5: now that that Jordan and Kobe when it's in its

1604
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 5: in stone.

1605
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: But like these, nobody pass Jordan Kobe. I don't think.

1606
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody. I don't think they're gonna let

1607
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: anybody pass Jordan. We not.

1608
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 3: I know one thing about us. Our generation ain't gonna

1609
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: let it.

1610
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 5: We ain't gonna let this nobody come along, because we're

1611
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 5: gonna fight and defeend Jordan Kobe forever forever.

1612
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 3: Right.

1613
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: So for me, man, it's like in my position, like.

1614
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 5: And I'm very honest, I was a very great player

1615
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 5: from from my abilities. I maximize all my abilities, That's

1616
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 5: all you can ask, right, I maximize it. Because of injury,

1617
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 5: I didn't I wasn't able to get to the level

1618
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: that I knew I could get to. Right my mind,

1619
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 5: I'm in goat level of my mentality and my talent.

1620
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: Wade doesn't have. D Way doesn't tear his knee injury,

1621
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't tears me in college. D Wade doesn't have the

1622
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: two knee surgeries in the NBA, and he played sixteen seasons.

1623
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: What's d Waighte numbers you?

1624
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 5: You're doing your goat conversation with me, You're doing what's

1625
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 5: your bad?

1626
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so I'd have had a gold Bans on

1627
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, d Waighte.

1628
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 5: Well, maybe, like I said, we're talking about if you

1629
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 5: take away the injuries away, I'm still playing basketball right

1630
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 5: now if I want to wow, right, because it's the

1631
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 5: injuries and everything in the mental right, But if i'm

1632
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: if I'm healthy enough, like I could, I know, I

1633
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 5: just like you understand some about my game multiple ways,

1634
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 5: right right, I played the game ault away, so even

1635
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 5: right now when I got older, I went to it,

1636
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 5: I had another game and still was effective as an

1637
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 5: old player.

1638
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: So in my mind, you motherfucking right, I was one

1639
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: of them.

1640
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 5: Do like you couldn't tell me in six seven o

1641
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 5: eight that I wasn't going to where I wanted to go,

1642
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 5: right right?

1643
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: Like why why not?

1644
01:08:59,520 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm ten?

1645
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 5: Like the league is not it's not hard for me.

1646
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 5: I'm averaging thirty a game in the NBA, right and

1647
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 5: so far and so on. I'm you know, and I

1648
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 5: already wanted I already want to find his MVP. I

1649
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 5: already won a championship in my third year.

1650
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: I did that.

1651
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 5: So in my mind, I'm very confident and quietly cocky

1652
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 5: about where I'm going.

1653
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: Right, and then injury started boom boom boom, right, and

1654
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: that it humbled me real quick.

1655
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: When did you realize?

1656
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,440
Speaker 1: When did you realize that you, possibly because of the injuries,

1657
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: wasn't going to reach the ultimate player that you wanted

1658
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: to become, that you was gonna have to Like, Okay,

1659
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm a great player, but I know I had so

1660
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: much more in me if I didn't have this injury.

1661
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: I mean, as you get older, so somewhere in that Big.

1662
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Three era where you didn't look the same that twenty

1663
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: fourteen that lad Lebron.

1664
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't the same. Ain't no, look I was. I

1665
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 5: was getting shots all before all the game really, oh man,

1666
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 5: So we'll do documentary later, okay, like all the all

1667
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 5: the knee injections and the shots and all that stuff.

1668
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 5: Man to get out there and perform like I did

1669
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 5: a lot of those things to be able to get

1670
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 5: out there. My body had felt like it got I

1671
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 5: got by mac Truck, and that's how I was playing

1672
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 5: right now. I was doing everything to medicate myself to

1673
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 5: be out there. And so yeah, I realized that at

1674
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: a point, man, I think it was one time, like

1675
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 5: you just over the years, like when I used to

1676
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 5: get past somebody, one step, I'm at the rim and body,

1677
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 5: I'm putting you in the rim. Right then it became

1678
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 5: one step, I don't even get to this floater.

1679
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: One step, let me.

1680
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 2: Get to the side.

1681
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: Step I can't even get back.

1682
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 3: It's the same. So like you, you know these things.

1683
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 5: If you're a person who get out the shower in

1684
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 5: the morning, you actually look in the mirror at yourself,

1685
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 5: you know who you are, you talk to yourself in

1686
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 5: the mirror like I do. So I knew over the time,

1687
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I'm losing a little of these steps.

1688
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm not as explosive, I'm.

1689
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 5: Not as this, And that doesn't mean I can't still

1690
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 5: be great and I can't play this game. But I

1691
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 5: started to see it, and so it for me once

1692
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 5: I started doing it, I'm like Okay, like, who's up next, Lebron?

1693
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: You do more? I do a little because you know

1694
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 3: that you can't. You can't carry that same load no more.

1695
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: It ain't the same.

1696
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 5: I can't get to that rim point two second nine

1697
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 5: is zero point four point five. It's a little different.

1698
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 5: They can close in on me. I can't be as great.

1699
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 5: And so like all these little things, I started to understand,

1700
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 5: and I started to like, Okay, calculate, take a step back,

1701
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 5: move your game this way, go to the post, go

1702
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 5: to mid range on like all these things right, and

1703
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 5: so like, you gotta be You gotta be mentally sharp

1704
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 5: in this game if you want to stay a long time.

1705
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: It can't just be about the physical as you know.

1706
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: How did how did you recruit Lebron to get him?

1707
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: To convince him? I ain't.

1708
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 3: More of this.

1709
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: I ain't recruit Lebron. I don't.

1710
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: I didn't recruit Lebron. What do you mean?

1711
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: I mean? So, how'd you give you to Miami? Could

1712
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: I know Pam Riley recruited?

1713
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 3: No? Well, god recruit.

1714
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: I was just I was just what did.

1715
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: You What did you tell him? What did you tell Lebron?

1716
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: What did you tell you?

1717
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 2: You told you made some promise and something no I

1718
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: didn't like.

1719
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: I don't think no one would ever believe how all

1720
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 3: this happened.

1721
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 5: Well, it's gonna be hard because it's gonna take multiple

1722
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 5: people to tell you.

1723
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: Because I have a perspective. Lebron has a perspective.

1724
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: We'll give you since you here, I have you would

1725
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: I get you perspective, but you give us, you give us.

1726
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: How it played out to you.

1727
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 5: How it played out to me was once again as

1728
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 5: I started off, as we're as stars in this league.

1729
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 5: You're determined and you're you're picked on or you're lifted

1730
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 5: up by the championships you win.

1731
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: And so you got a young player like Lebron who

1732
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 3: he knows what.

1733
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 5: He needs to do to be at the level that

1734
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 5: he is today, and so he knew at that time

1735
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 5: that he couldn't probably do it there right at that moment,

1736
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 5: and so enter, what can I do with that?

1737
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 3: Who can I do it with? Previous years before that, we.

1738
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 5: All signed the same contract, so we can give ourselves flexibility,

1739
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 5: not saying hey, we're gonna play together in three years,

1740
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 5: but let's give ourself flexibility. And so that flexibility was like,

1741
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 5: oh shit, you wade a free agent. Oh, Chris Boss.

1742
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 5: So we everyone started thinking different around that time, and

1743
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 5: for me, it wasn't like it wasn't real until the

1744
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 5: Miami to got a call from my agent got a

1745
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 5: call from the Miami Heat, and they let us know

1746
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 5: that they actually put money aside or they can figure

1747
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 5: out a way to get three max players.

1748
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: Because at first it was just two Max players.

1749
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 5: So the conversation changed when the Miami he made that

1750
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 5: call to say we can get.

1751
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: Three max players. And then Lebron and I got on

1752
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: the phone and I just leave it at that. It's

1753
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 3: a lot of things that.

1754
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: Happened that Oh okay.

1755
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 5: And so then we got on the phone and we

1756
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 5: got on the phone because Lebron called and said, hey,

1757
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 5: let's get on the phone, just like we did three

1758
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 5: years ago prior to that. Lebron, my agent, Henry Thomas,

1759
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 5: his agent, the ty Leon Rose.

1760
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: We got on the phone.

1761
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 5: We talked about the contract situation, We talked about the

1762
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 5: five year deal versus a three year deal, the benefits.

1763
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 5: At that time, we were working together because we were

1764
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 5: all new at this.

1765
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 3: Right we're young dudes who friends.

1766
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 5: Wow, So we were working together and like, yo, you're

1767
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 5: twenty you're this age, you'll be this age when that

1768
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 5: deal is up. You older, you needed short, shorter deals,

1769
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 5: you can get more money like this.

1770
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: Time we were talking.

1771
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 5: We were young guys, but we had a different view

1772
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 5: on things, and so we kept talking throughout the process

1773
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 5: and when free agency came, another conversation, and a conversation

1774
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 5: led to huh.

1775
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: We could do what we could play together? And they

1776
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: just went from there.

1777
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: Do you even though they say we got a deal

1778
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: for three match contracts, did you think this was like?

1779
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Could this be a reality? Could this be realistic? No?

1780
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 5: We didn't see it at that time, right, We didn't

1781
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 5: see especially players, free agents, guys, three guys, a.

1782
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 3: Good team, who they want? Where were they doing that at?

1783
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 5: A team had to go get an older agent, superstar

1784
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 5: or someone else and package them together.

1785
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: And that's what we did with the Celtics when they

1786
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: got Guard that.

1787
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 3: You got lucky, You drafted some guys and some guys,

1788
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1789
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: You get a Kareem, You get Kareem the magic Magic.

1790
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: Kareem's there, he win the final when the irregular season MVP,

1791
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: they drafted Magic and then two years later that Daves

1792
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: worded with the first you go, how that happened?

1793
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: How he how you win the finals?

1794
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 5: And did you get you know what I'm saying different

1795
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 5: time back then, as we stayed on winter time, they

1796
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 5: were doing corn flips and all in the back like

1797
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: it was so like.

1798
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: I never first of.

1799
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 5: All, I never imagined and I don't know if people

1800
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 5: believe me. I never thought Lebron and I would play together.

1801
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 5: I had a meeting with the Miami Heat about this before,

1802
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 5: two years before we ever played together. Was do you

1803
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 5: think And I was like, zero points zero zero zero zero,

1804
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 5: zero point one percent chance that would ever play together, right, right,

1805
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 5: And because there was a lot of conversations out there,

1806
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 5: and I never I never thought it was until I

1807
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 5: sat with him face to face and I see that

1808
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 5: it wasn't about scoring titles no more.

1809
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: For him.

1810
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 5: It wasn't about all the things that you know, the

1811
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 5: commercials and MVP's and all the things he had. He

1812
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 5: had that, but he was still empty inside and he

1813
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 5: wanted and needed something else for his career. And me

1814
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 5: being one of his good friends, me be one of

1815
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 5: the best players in the league, me being a free

1816
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 5: agent at the same time, me being in a nice

1817
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 5: city at the same time, it was attractive and it

1818
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 5: was sexy, and so we had an opportunity to sit

1819
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 5: down and talk about it.

1820
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: What did you think when you heard Lebron say not one,

1821
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: not two, not three, not four, not five, not six,

1822
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: not seven.

1823
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't.

1824
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1825
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 3: I didn't take it seriously. Anybody out there who took

1826
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 3: that serious? Like, come on, guys, like we were having.

1827
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: A parade, right you paid, there's a media you dot.

1828
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, we in that with our fans, like we're

1829
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: in that talking that one. You know what I mean?

1830
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,879
Speaker 3: When that we jacket we're doing we do when the crib.

1831
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: With our homies. You know, you put a little sauce

1832
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: on yourself.

1833
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: You had a little too.

1834
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: That's what he did. He had a little sauce, you

1835
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1836
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 5: And then that sauce became Oh, we're gonna hold him

1837
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 5: to it, that's all. Like we never we never say

1838
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 5: were about to win seventh straight, but we knew he

1839
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 5: was gonna be a problem.

1840
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: The Big three, the hate and the vitry all you got.

1841
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nasty.

1842
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like it before or since?

1843
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: Not in that way.

1844
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 5: I never actually never seen hate. I heard about hate,

1845
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 5: heard about it from my ancestors. You know stories about

1846
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 5: my ancestors. I heard about it from my mom and

1847
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 5: my uncles. Never seen hate until Lebron decided to come

1848
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 5: to Miami. Then I started seeing hate up close. And

1849
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 5: hate is an ugly thing. And so it was a

1850
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 5: like for us man like, I think a part of

1851
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 5: us didn't understand, like, we're still young young men who.

1852
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 3: Are playing this game of basketball.

1853
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 5: We're boys, were traveling playing together, our kids get to

1854
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 5: grow up together, like we're excited about this, and then

1855
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 5: on the outside, everybody in the world is calling us

1856
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 5: all these things. And so it wasn't a joyous year

1857
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 5: to play basketball at all. And I think that was

1858
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 5: the one thing coming out of that year, even though

1859
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 5: we lost in it. And I always say, one of

1860
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 5: the best things that happened to us is that we

1861
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 5: lost in the finals. That well, one of the best

1862
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 5: things that happened to us media wise is that we

1863
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 5: lost in the finals. Because if we're the one in

1864
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 5: the finals in twenty ten, we was gonna be jacket.

1865
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 3: It was nothing.

1866
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 5: No one was gonna be able to say to us,

1867
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 5: we were going to be two, and so it humbled us.

1868
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 5: It put us at our level and allowed us to

1869
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 5: focus on what was real.

1870
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: And while we got together, it was reported that you

1871
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: guys all went went away. You you you. I think mellow.

1872
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: I think Chris, Paul and Lebron and all your families

1873
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: went away and you had a conversation with Lebron about

1874
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: it's okay, Bro.

1875
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:12,839
Speaker 3: It's okay.

1876
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 2: I need you to be I need you to be you.

1877
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 5: No, I mean, that's not how it happened. Well, first

1878
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 5: of all, it wasn't a CPA, it wasn't mellow. It

1879
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 5: was the trip that everyone's talking about was just my wife, I, Savannah, Lebron,

1880
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 5: and a couple other friends of ours. Okay, And that

1881
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 5: was the trip where we started having different conversation.

1882
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: That was right after we lost.

1883
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 5: We had a couple of weeks away, and then we

1884
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 5: had this trip plane and we start having different conversations

1885
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 5: about while we lost, how we lost.

1886
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: And I just was.

1887
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 5: Sitting there as I always do, I sitting there listen,

1888
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 5: and I listened to I heard Lebron talk and everything

1889
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 5: that I was getting from.

1890
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 3: Lebron and that year, even though he had a great year,

1891
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: and even in that.

1892
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 5: Moment, was still hesitation, and so I for me, I

1893
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, if we're going to reach the level

1894
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 5: that we're going to reach, and how I can help

1895
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 5: us it is to take that that hesitation out of

1896
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 5: one of the game's greatest players, because I watched him

1897
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 5: play and I know what he plays, how he plays

1898
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 5: when he has no.

1899
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 3: I shot two in a row. D Wade ain't the way.

1900
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, Like, it's it's

1901
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 5: human nature, a d waiting how to bucket in a while.

1902
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 5: Let me, no bro, press on you that dude, Go

1903
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 5: be that dude. We're gonna do what we gotta do

1904
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 5: to make sure that you good and we good. Because

1905
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 5: this is ultimately about what we all sat down and

1906
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 5: said we want to do.

1907
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 3: We said we want to win rings.

1908
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 5: No one said that when I need an extra endorsement

1909
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 5: or you needed extraly this.

1910
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 3: We wanted to win rings.

1911
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 5: So for us to win rings in this day of age,

1912
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 5: you have to be who you are.

1913
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: And that's besides Kobe.

1914
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 5: It's the game's greatest player, right And so I can't

1915
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 5: stand in the way of that. I can't let my

1916
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 5: ego and my price center with it. And I said

1917
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 5: I was doing it in the beginning, but it was

1918
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 5: always like, hey, first year, I think we both ours

1919
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 5: twenty five a game. It was kind of even same shots,

1920
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 5: this same this, same possessions, coach, don't need to worry

1921
01:19:59,160 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 5: about that.

1922
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: You don't need to worry about that.

1923
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 5: I've always played around multiple players, I figured out.

1924
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:04,919
Speaker 3: And that was our conversation.

1925
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 5: It happened after the trip that happened in the actual

1926
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,440
Speaker 5: in the gym one day. It was Lebron coach Fizdale

1927
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 5: and myself and I told him right there I was,

1928
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 5: and I just remember the look on his face. He

1929
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 5: was kind of like puzzled looking at me, like you

1930
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 5: for real? And I was and so but at that point,

1931
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 5: I'm saying like it had to be bigger than me,

1932
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 5: which was hard to do because we all come in

1933
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 5: like check the name on the back. But I just

1934
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 5: had to look at myself in the mirror and say,

1935
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 5: this is not why you playing with Lebron, James and

1936
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 5: Chris Bosh. You're not playing with them to check the

1937
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 5: name on the back. You play with them to check

1938
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 5: the rings on your fingers.

1939
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: Correct.

1940
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 3: And so let's get to that.

1941
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: What happened in the math series, y'all better.

1942
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, we got.

1943
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: You look at that a little bit.

1944
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 5: I mean the honest We got all aiden, got all coached,

1945
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: and if you go back and asks the players, you

1946
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 5: go back and the expo he got. The coaching staff

1947
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 5: got all coach and the players got all played. When

1948
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 5: it came down to winning. We didn't close our games, right.

1949
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 5: We had game you had a sixty boy lead Game.

1950
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: Two at home.

1951
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 3: We're fifteen.

1952
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 5: You don't lose that. We don't close our games. But

1953
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 5: that's bad. That's players and that's coaches.

1954
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1955
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 3: And so we got all coached by Rick Carlile and

1956
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 3: his staff, and.

1957
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 5: We got all played by uh Dirk and Jason Terry

1958
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 5: and JT J.

1959
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Kid.

1960
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: But that little J. J.

1961
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 3: Barreer, Nobody give him credit. JJ Barreer was the one

1962
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 3: who changed.

1963
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 5: We didn't have no answer for him. We okay, Dirk,

1964
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 5: you know what you're gonna do. Let's just u d

1965
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 5: make his shots tough, make it hard on him. He

1966
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 5: try to make him not shoot fifty percent, make him

1967
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 5: have an off night, but he's still gonna get twenty.

1968
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 5: Jason Terry going right, you can't stop them, right. We

1969
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 5: knew all these things, but no one playing for little

1970
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 5: JJR to come off the bench. And do what he

1971
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 5: did right. And I look at him, I say, from

1972
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 5: a not from an MVP as an award, but from

1973
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: as a player who really helped push that series over.

1974
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: I give it to JJ because we didn't have no

1975
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: answer for him.

1976
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

1977
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,480
Speaker 5: And so we as a team, like obviously Lebron struggled.

1978
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 5: We talked about the everge seventeen points a game, players

1979
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,879
Speaker 5: struggled and what sucked about it is because of everything

1980
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 5: that was talked about and all this, But at the

1981
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 5: end of the day, me as a leader, spoil as

1982
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 5: a head coach, we got to do a better.

1983
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: Job to make sure that he's not struggling.

1984
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 5: How are we getting him the ball in certain places

1985
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 5: to make it easier for him, because you know, as

1986
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 5: a player, all you need is one thing to go

1987
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 5: your way and to turn everything around.

1988
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 3: We didn't do enough of that for a guy who

1989
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: was struggling. For whatever the.

1990
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 5: Reason is, we all have had our struggles, and so

1991
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 5: as a leader I looked at him myself, I was like,

1992
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 5: you didn't do enough.

1993
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: D like and you will see a clip.

1994
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 5: Well, I'm cursing brown out, I'm in his ear, I'm

1995
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 5: talking to him, but that probably won't the way I

1996
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 5: should have done it. Maybe I should have done something

1997
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 5: else right, And so we were more talented, but they

1998
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 5: were a better team.

1999
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: Pat. I saw Pat Riley say so.

2000
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: Think that players came in his office and the manner

2001
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: that they fired that he fired the coach. It would

2002
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: reported you and yeah, I saw that.

2003
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't do that.

2004
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: I don't remember doing it.

2005
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: Now.

2006
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I didn't, but I don't remember doing that.

2007
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

2008
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 5: I mean I knew coach Bowl at that time two

2009
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 5: years in. The one thing is is when when Lebron

2010
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 5: decides to talk about everything on his documentaries or whatever

2011
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 5: he decided to do, he would talk about what we

2012
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 5: talked about Riley as a coach versus Spore as a coach.

2013
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 5: And I'm meeting before we even played together. And one

2014
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 5: thing I told him, you don't want Riley to coach

2015
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 5: his team.

2016
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: Ain't got nothing to do with Pat love them. You

2017
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 3: don't want Ridley to coach his team.

2018
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: Bro.

2019
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 5: And even though was not experienced, and we needed a

2020
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 5: coach that was experienced so we can win championship right away.

2021
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 5: We're ready, We're gonna deal, We're gonna We're gonna help

2022
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 5: him grow.

2023
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: Now you don't want Godfather to come down.

2024
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 2: I did.

2025
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 3: He did it in two thousand and six. I experienced it.

2026
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: And you ready for him to go back? Yeah, what

2027
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: did you think that? What do you think past saw

2028
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: and Eric to say, you know what, No, this is

2029
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: the guy. He can get it done.

2030
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: Well.

2031
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: He's turned himself into one of the best coaches in

2032
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: the NBA.

2033
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 5: Well if you see, that's once again why you don't

2034
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 5: listen to players at times, because if you listen to me.

2035
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: When they first hired Spae, I was like, what are

2036
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 3: you doing? This is the this is the wrong decision, right.

2037
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 5: I remember when Mickey and and Nick Harrison set me

2038
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 5: down and said, hey, we're we're bringing up up Spoe

2039
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 5: from them like spose in the video room and then

2040
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 5: he sat behind a bench and they was like, hey,

2041
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 5: we're gonna hire from within and and it's gonna be

2042
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 5: er exposure.

2043
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm looking for a big name coach,

2044
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a star.

2045
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, who we're gonna get Dog? And I knew I.

2046
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 5: Had a great relationship with because Will worked me out.

2047
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 5: He was my workout guy, right, So I liked Spo,

2048
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 5: but I didn't know as a coach, and so when

2049
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 5: he first got there, he was a terrible coach, but

2050
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 5: he was a great guy to prepare you. He was

2051
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 5: gonna work his ass off. No one was gonna outwork him,

2052
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 5: no one was gonna be more prepared to him.

2053
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 3: He just had to learn when the called timeouts, what

2054
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: plays to run out of timeouts, what league game like,

2055
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: all these things.

2056
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 5: That you got to learn as a coach. As a

2057
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 5: star player, I had to go to with coach. And

2058
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 5: that's why our relationship is what it is today because

2059
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 5: we went through this right, We went through thank you, this,

2060
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 5: and we went through all of it because the journey

2061
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 5: right of a young coach, and so.

2062
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 3: The whole we walked in and try to get him fired.

2063
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was in that meeting.

2064
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: But maybe I was. I don't know. I don't remember that.

2065
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: I don't remember trying to get him fired.

2066
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Lebron leaving Miami. Did you guys have a conversation? Did

2067
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: you know he was thinking about leaving Miami? And did

2068
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: you think he'd go back to Cleveland.

2069
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 5: I didn't know he was thinking about it right away. Man,

2070
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 5: we just had a four year run. That was not

2071
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 5: what I was thinking about I didn't think Cleveland was

2072
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 5: on the on the docket at all. Right, Once that

2073
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 5: letter came out four years probably, I was like, well,

2074
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 5: it's over for them.

2075
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

2076
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And so I was when we went into

2077
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 5: free agency that summer.

2078
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 3: I didn't think that we were we wasn't coming back, right.

2079
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 5: I thought we was going to retool, right, this is

2080
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 5: what teams do, they retool. And so once I started

2081
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 5: hearing the noise on the outside and I started hearing Cleveland,

2082
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 5: I started seeing things, I was like, oh, it's some

2083
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 5: true to the noise, some truth tot And I didn't

2084
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 5: even know it was a thing because we never talked

2085
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 5: about Hey, that was never our conversation. And so when

2086
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 5: I did get the information from him that he was

2087
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 5: headed back to Cleveland, I mean I took it like

2088
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 5: I'll take everything else. I took it on the chain

2089
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 5: because I'm not a selfish guy.

2090
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 3: I mean I do.

2091
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 5: I have selfish acts and selfish moments, but my whole

2092
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 5: being is not selfish. And so that's what that man

2093
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 5: want to do for his life. Like I support him

2094
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 5: doing it. I just got to now figure out my

2095
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 5: life because I had a whole different plan for how

2096
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 5: I wanted mind to go.

2097
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 3: And you know.

2098
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 5: One thing I told him in that moment we were

2099
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 5: sitting outside the plane. I think even the Cara crew

2100
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 5: might have got us talking because we had just flew

2101
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 5: back in from Vegas before the announcement was made the

2102
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 5: next day and we're sitting out there and I told him,

2103
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 5: I said, man, listen, everybody's gonna win no matter what

2104
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 5: do you do. If you stay here, we all win.

2105
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 5: Lebron James stays in Miami and we win. You go

2106
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 5: to Cleveland, Cleveland's gonna win. Ultimately. You gotta do what's

2107
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 5: best for Lebron right. And so if this is what's

2108
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 5: best for Lebron, James, Savannah, James, Bryce and Brownie and

2109
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 5: Missouri wasn't at that stage. If this was better for

2110
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 5: your family, you got my If you're looking for blessing

2111
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 5: for me, you got my blessing.

2112
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 3: Right, I'm not gonna hold you back.

2113
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Now.

2114
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 5: I gotta go deal with my side because I had

2115
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,879
Speaker 5: a whole different mentality.

2116
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: I opted out of my deal. I did all these

2117
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 3: things because.

2118
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, we retooling, right, And so a lot

2119
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 5: of people like to say, like, was it a part

2120
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 5: of me. That was a little pissed. Yeah, I'm human.

2121
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to lose the best player in the game.

2122
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: What do we do? Why did we lose him? Right?

2123
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 5: And also too now I got to figure out my future,

2124
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 5: right because I've given up a lot of my stardom

2125
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 5: and not giving up my place for you to for

2126
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 5: you step in and have lead us.

2127
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 3: And so it took me a while.

2128
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 5: And Brian and I had a conversation later once before

2129
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 5: I got to Cleveland about that moment and how I

2130
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 5: felt right like and how he felt. We sat down

2131
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 5: his man and we talked about that moment and we

2132
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 5: moved on from it.

2133
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: That was a difficult time for you because you gave

2134
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: up twenty million dollars that wasn't repaid to you.

2135
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't get money back. Hey, money don't come back.

2136
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: People. You can make more, but you ain't getting that.

2137
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna get I don't care.

2138
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 3: Nobody tell y'all you can't recruit that money.

2139
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,440
Speaker 1: No, the current.

2140
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: Miami heat, I've never seen it, d Wade. I'm a

2141
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 2: little older you.

2142
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older to you, and I followed the

2143
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: game probably longer than you've been alive. I've never seen

2144
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: anybody like Jimmy Butler. I've never seen a guy play

2145
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: one way in the regular season and then play another

2146
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: way in the playoffs.

2147
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

2148
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 3: Need not at the levels he No.

2149
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: Yes, how does a guy that's you know, I mean,

2150
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: he's a good player, don't get me wrong, But if

2151
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you look at a playoff you're talking about history. He's

2152
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: he has historically great playoff game.

2153
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 3: How does he do that?

2154
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: Yes?

2155
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I don't know how he doesn't. But

2156
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 5: what I would say, what I learned you guys are

2157
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 5: welcome for me going to Chicago. By the way, what

2158
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 5: I say what I learned about Jimmy when I got

2159
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 5: a chance to be around him in Chicago for the

2160
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 5: season is some players lead with their IQ. Lebron will

2161
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 5: break down a whole fourth quarter few every play in

2162
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 5: the press conference, and you're like, oh, man, he's the

2163
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 5: smartest basketball player because he has a high IQ. Jimmy

2164
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 5: Butler don't lead with his IQ. Jimmy Butler leads with

2165
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 5: his toughness. Jimmy Butler is one of the smartest basketball

2166
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 5: players that I've ever been around. Right, It's just it's

2167
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 5: just how you decide to look at it. So when

2168
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 5: the playoffs come, everything slows down, right, you get to

2169
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 5: learn everyone Tennessee and all this, so you ain't got

2170
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 5: to be traveling playing a different one opponent. This is

2171
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 5: one of the smartest players that I've ever been around.

2172
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 5: Also too, in the midst of being a smart player,

2173
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 5: some players have that switch that they can turn on.

2174
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 5: Everyone doesn't have it, but certain players have it. Jimmy

2175
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 5: Butler has shown us over his career, and you go

2176
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 5: back in all the playoffs, You're like, oh, damn, Jimmy

2177
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 5: was in that Eastern Conference final. Jimmy was and that

2178
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 5: Jimmy wasn't that He's been a part of teams, he

2179
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 5: saw players he likes.

2180
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: He's a student. He watched Derick Rose.

2181
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 5: He watched me when I came into Chicago, like he

2182
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 5: was everywhere I was at. Jimmy was at because he

2183
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 5: wanted that knowledge, right, and so you put his work ethics.

2184
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 3: That he has that is second or nine.

2185
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 5: You put the confidence that Miami give them to say, hey,

2186
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 5: you the guy right, like, think about it. All we

2187
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 5: want sometime is to be seen. Yes, Miami was like, yo, Jimmy,

2188
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 5: you watched this off. Oh I see you you.

2189
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 3: Crazy, all right, you go crazy, match at crazy, Let's

2190
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: go do this.

2191
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 5: You give him that confidence. And also too, you give

2192
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 5: someone who's smart. And also and Jimmy's like Jordan in

2193
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 5: the sense in this way, he's always looking for something

2194
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 5: to piss him off.

2195
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 3: So in the New York Serious I was like, oh,

2196
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: he had Tis. He's all about Tis.

2197
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 5: He then made some stuff up about what Tim did

2198
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 5: him when Timson did.

2199
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 3: Everything for him.

2200
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 5: He made something Tims pissed him off in practice of Minnesota,

2201
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 5: and he was like, it was ain't about the Knicks,

2202
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 5: It's about Tibbs. So he has that he can go

2203
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 5: to that level where he can zone out and focus

2204
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 5: on one thing or somebody, and so he just it's

2205
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 5: everyone can't.

2206
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 3: Do that, right, He has a switch.

2207
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: Right. They say he's a tough teammate. To have coaches

2208
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: saying he's a tough player to coach, why.

2209
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 5: Because he gonna do it his way, you know, to

2210
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 5: be coaching, we got to do what the coach say.

2211
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: That ain't Jimmy don I'm not saying he's.

2212
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 5: A bad player, like a bad teammate or a bad person.

2213
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 5: Jimmy knows the game. Jimmy knows the work he puts

2214
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 5: in the game, right, he's very committed to that.

2215
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: No one is going to work me.

2216
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 5: No one is gonna know this better than me, not

2217
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 5: even you, coach, So you can't just throw something out

2218
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 5: there at Jimmy.

2219
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 3: He's going to.

2220
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 5: Challenge you on He asked you why we do it

2221
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 5: that it gonna challenge you, right? And you you want

2222
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 5: your you want your best players to challenge you. That's

2223
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 5: how it makes your better coach. But when you get

2224
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 5: a reputation in a space that they don't want you

2225
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 5: to challenge right.

2226
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 3: Now, you're a problem, your bad. Yeah, you go into

2227
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 3: a situation where they're like, oh, you're challenging me, let

2228
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 3: me challenge you back. Okay, that was a good challenge.

2229
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 3: Tap it up, let's go. And that's what he found.

2230
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 5: So he found a home in a place that they

2231
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 5: both got a little. Miami ain't for everybody, and Jimmy

2232
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 5: Butler is not for everybody, and so Minnesota, Philly, Chicago

2233
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 5: they experienced Jimmy is not for everyone because Jimmy is

2234
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 5: going to challenge you.

2235
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 3: He's going to challenge your organization.

2236
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 5: And now I said, he's gonna walk in and say

2237
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 5: demand players he's going to challenge you to play at

2238
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 5: his level.

2239
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 3: He's going to challenge you to be where he is.

2240
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 5: And work how he works and all these things, and

2241
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 5: so no one likes to be challenged.

2242
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: You a problem if you challenge me.

2243
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that you were very, very surprised that

2244
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Lebron went back to Cleveland, given that the letter that

2245
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: Dan Gibber, the owner who had worked so closely with

2246
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: Lebron James, with the things that he said, because now

2247
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's not about basketball, you've made

2248
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 1: it personal. How is Lebron Lebron is a very forgiving

2249
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: person because there are guys that's taking shots at it

2250
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: that he's willing to embrace again like, oh now we

2251
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: may we cool later for that.

2252
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 2: How is he able to forget because you know we don't.

2253
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 2: We're not. Most people aren't.

2254
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: As forgiving or as forgetful as he is, especially when

2255
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: you say, look, if you say something to me in private,

2256
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: just me, and you know, okay, cool, like I don't

2257
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: rock with you.

2258
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: No more but cool.

2259
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: But when you put it out there for twenty five

2260
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: one hundred million people to read, nah, I can't rock

2261
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: with you on that level.

2262
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 3: No, more Bron, Yeah, bigger man than me?

2263
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2264
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: How do he?

2265
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm penny, Yeah, how did he set that aside?

2266
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

2267
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 5: I don't know, like, And that's why I never thought

2268
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 5: Cleveland was in play, right, you know what I mean?

2269
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 5: Not saying that I never thought he was gonna be

2270
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 5: a Miami forever like you want thinking that way, But

2271
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 5: I never thought Cleveland was in play because I'm and

2272
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 5: so if I was going off for how I would

2273
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 5: have done it.

2274
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 3: No, I'm not coming back to you. But at the

2275
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 3: same time, man Lebron has a journey and it's.

2276
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 5: Bigger than a letter that Dan Gilbert could put out.

2277
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 5: It's bigger than what someone's sitting across the table from.

2278
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 5: You may say it's bigger than because when you like,

2279
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 5: he's been King James since he was twelve years old.

2280
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 3: He has had a vision for how he wants this

2281
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 3: to go.

2282
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 5: And if you allow all these individuals to get in

2283
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 5: the way of your vision, then it becomes theirs. What

2284
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 5: they want for your career, that's what he wants for

2285
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 5: his right And so I looked at that move going

2286
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,799
Speaker 5: back to Cleveland. Is this man, first of all, bigger

2287
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 5: man than me in that moment to go back. But

2288
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't about Dan Gilbert. It wasn't about the Cleveland Cavaliers.

2289
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 5: It's about Lebron James and his family and what he

2290
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 5: wanted to accomplish and how he see his career going

2291
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 5: and so to be able to fly higher than most people,

2292
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 5: right like Lebron playing has been at forty thousand since

2293
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 5: he took off, right like mine, here's some turbleines we landed.

2294
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I landed my play.

2295
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 5: Back at twenty nineteen. He's been at forty thousand and

2296
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 5: higher since he started. And so to be at that

2297
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 5: level you have to look above, and he looked above

2298
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 5: and got what he needed for his career, right yeah.

2299
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 5: I think the most interesting thing that you I'm sorry

2300
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 5: in his community because that was important. I promise, yeah,

2301
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 5: and I say that and I'm sorry interrupt, but I

2302
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 5: say that to say when he went back, he implemented

2303
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 5: something that was bigger than basketball.

2304
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 3: That's when you was like, I see you.

2305
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 5: He implemented, I promise, he implemented the schools, which now

2306
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 5: has implemented the housing. And it was about the community

2307
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 5: of Cleveland that he wanted to He wanted them to

2308
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,679
Speaker 5: feel like winners, right, And in the midst of it, yeah,

2309
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 5: we all have. I feel is about how and why

2310
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 5: because that's we're human. But if I'm looking at it

2311
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 5: from his standpoint, I'm like, oh, I see you, you.

2312
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 3: You up here. We all was like, we all was

2313
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 3: down here looking up like, Bro, you shouldn't.

2314
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Do that, right the Wade, I think you're a phenomenal

2315
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: basketball player. You've accomplished a lie, But I think your

2316
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: greatest accomplishment is the way you've embraced your child wanting

2317
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: to transition. That's not an easy thing to do, because

2318
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: we all have. If you have a daughter, you have

2319
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: an idea what you think your daughter was going to

2320
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: be or what you wanted to become. If you have

2321
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: a son, you have an idea of what you want,

2322
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: especially if you played sports. I want my son to

2323
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: play sports, either the doctor. If I'm a doctor, I

2324
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: want my son to be a doctor, lawyer, YadA, YadA, YadA.

2325
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: But for you to embrace Zaia, to embrace her journey,

2326
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: how did you come to because obviously you had to

2327
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: sit down and you had a conversation. She comes to

2328
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: you when she sits down and she says, Dad, this

2329
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: is how I'm feeling. This is how I'm thinking. And

2330
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: you say, what, well, it's not my journey.

2331
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 5: Like, I'm not that selfish. I can't make your journey

2332
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 5: in your life about me, right, Like, I just can't

2333
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 5: do that. Yes, And I was telling someone this the

2334
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 5: other day when Zaia was born. She was born May

2335
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 5: twenty ninth, which is Carmelo's birthday, right right, birthday to

2336
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 5: my brother. Toast to my brother on his retirement. By

2337
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 5: the way, told some this this right.

2338
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 3: Here, listen about this fire. So if y'all go look

2339
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 3: at it.

2340
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 5: I have Zion Lebron, has Bryce Mellow, has Kanye all

2341
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 5: within about a two three week span, all that kids

2342
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 5: on girl hooping together.

2343
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 1: Oh we we all, Well we're gonna have three we all.

2344
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, like obviously I had a boy. I had

2345
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 5: another boy that was my second boy in the room.

2346
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, this is what we do with hooping family,

2347
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 5: and see what happens when you start making plans for

2348
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 5: other people out right.

2349
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 2: That's her journey, that's her journey. But you played that,

2350
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 2: you played.

2351
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 3: Oh you couldn't tell me we were't gonna be on

2352
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 3: the circuit right now, babe. We were hooping, We got

2353
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 3: weaved in the bag, you got to wear waves on.

2354
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 3: We're doing it too.

2355
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 5: Then I got to meet my child, and a lot

2356
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 5: of people like to talk about Zia's transition. To me,

2357
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 5: Zaia hasn't transitioned into anything but a kid and now

2358
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 5: a young going into a young adult. I've watched her

2359
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 5: go through life. It hasn't been no transition for us.

2360
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 5: It's been a transition for the world. But for us,

2361
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 5: I see the same kid that I've seen since May

2362
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 5: twenty ninth, two thousand and what seven, nothing has changed.

2363
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Did you know where their signs?

2364
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2365
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Did she? Because you know, boy, if you play with trucks,

2366
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: girls play with dogs.

2367
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 2: You know, girls dress up, boys do this. So you

2368
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 2: saw signs at a very early age.

2369
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that much.

2370
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: He's not like what I'm thinking a boy should be

2371
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: or what I was when I was that age.

2372
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean think about this. I mean, you're in

2373
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 3: the locker room. I'm in the locker yea right, we

2374
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 3: don't we we we ignit. I'm say ignit.

2375
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 5: And so I come from a culture of men throwing

2376
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 5: around the F words, yes, yes, around the gay word, yes,

2377
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 5: just like it's high by right, just throwing it around. Right,

2378
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 5: And so I have a child at home that we're basketball, baseball,

2379
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 5: we're doing what you do, Hey, let's play this. I

2380
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 5: have a try to home. It's like I don't want that.

2381
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 5: I want to take I want to go that. I

2382
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 5: want to take dance lessons. Okay, well let's go to dance.

2383
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 5: I would try to home when I come home. She

2384
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 5: got the shirt wrapped around her head like it's like

2385
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 5: long hair. I gotta try at home that I'm watching,

2386
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 5: we're certain things that's different than what I would buy

2387
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 5: for my son, right, right. And so this is at

2388
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 5: three years old. So I'm in my home my wife,

2389
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 5: and now we have a conversation about it. And for me,

2390
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 5: instead of walking in and.

2391
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 1: Say hey, stop that ship.

2392
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 3: Cut that ship, like like people got to do that.

2393
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 5: I got to stop you when you're doing when you're

2394
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 5: doing something for you that they don't like.

2395
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 3: Right, So instead of.

2396
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 5: Me walking in the room and say you stop that ship,

2397
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 5: it was my job to sit back and say, okay,

2398
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 5: let's have a conversation.

2399
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 3: Was alight and let's see where this goes.

2400
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 5: And so my first conversation with her is about hey,

2401
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 5: understanding what you like to wear? And how you like

2402
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 5: to be in the house right outside of his house.

2403
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 5: They're not ready for that, right right. I don't even

2404
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 5: know if we were ready for that. And so we

2405
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 5: slowly just let her be who she wanted.

2406
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 3: To be in our home.

2407
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 2: Is that your first wife or this God?

2408
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: This is what God be?

2409
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 3: Who you want to be in our home? And we're

2410
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 3: gonna watch it.

2411
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 5: We're gonna learn alone this journey because at that moment,

2412
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 5: I think, you know. And the thing that's a blessing

2413
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 5: in my life is that I that I that I

2414
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 5: got with my wife at the time I got my wife, because.

2415
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 3: It exposed me to the world. It exposed me to

2416
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 3: friends I have.

2417
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 5: Some of my best friends are Jason and the There.

2418
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 5: Well everybody knows it's my style of Jason. His husband

2419
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 5: is a there. I got a chance to be exposed

2420
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 5: to them early. And we all have our thoughts about

2421
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 5: like how we perceive people who you know are gay, right,

2422
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 5: who are man and man?

2423
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 3: It was a woman and woman, we like that, but

2424
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 3: this man and man we have our perception, right.

2425
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 5: So I got a chance to spend time with him,

2426
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: being around them, a vacation with them, all this and that,

2427
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what the perception that I had, It's

2428
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 5: not even a question in my mind.

2429
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 3: That was my friends. I don't look at them. I

2430
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 3: don't look at they're they're married, they love each other,

2431
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 3: they argue like we argue all the same nothing.

2432
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: So that's their life.

2433
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 5: I had experience. And so in the midst of that

2434
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,839
Speaker 5: experience through the world because I was out of my community,

2435
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 5: I was out of what my uncles and my dad

2436
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 5: and everybody you told me, I'm now looking at the

2437
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 5: world and I'm looking at my child. And so I

2438
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 5: got a chance to watch my child nine years before

2439
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 5: the world even heard about Zia. So when everyone started

2440
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 5: telling me what my child is, I'm like, how you gonna.

2441
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 1: I've been with a whole while.

2442
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 3: And I talked to my child. Do you talk to

2443
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 3: my child? Because I do.

2444
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 5: And so I sat down and talked to my child

2445
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 5: about as she was growing up, about the things she wanted.

2446
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 5: And I tried to make sure that the things that

2447
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 5: she wanted, what she would work hard at, was presented

2448
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 5: to her, not what I wanted. And that's the problem

2449
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 5: with us is we're gonna and and and I would

2450
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 5: like to say this because of the NBA or because

2451
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 5: of my basketball talents, and because of all these things,

2452
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 5: I've been put in a position where I actually could

2453
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 5: wait and allow my kids to grow up and I

2454
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 5: don't have to say, hey, I need help with.

2455
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 3: These bills, Hey you gotta do this. You got to

2456
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 3: be that because.

2457
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 5: Some communities, some households, they have to do that because

2458
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 5: of their circumstances. We don't have time to figure out

2459
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 5: who you want to be and what you want to do.

2460
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 5: We had that figure out your time, right and then

2461
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 5: now you get you get kids who's later in their life.

2462
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 5: They didn't have their relationship with their parents early on

2463
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 5: because their parents had to make them whatever the culture was, whatever.

2464
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 3: The time was. Our time was different.

2465
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 5: So we had an opportunity to sit back and say,

2466
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 5: you know what, I don't want all.

2467
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 3: My kids to be exactly the same anyway. So you

2468
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 3: know what, my three year old son at this time, Zaia,

2469
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 3: let me live Zion, let me see what, let me

2470
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 3: see what Zion want to do.

2471
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 5: And slowly but surely Zaia started growing and we started

2472
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 5: watching ain't not a second of this is Zia like.

2473
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 3: That's why it's funny to me.

2474
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 5: I'm like in the world, I'm like everybody on the outside,

2475
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 5: I got something to say, And the inside.

2476
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 3: We're talking about school.

2477
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 5: We're talking about like like I sit down with my child,

2478
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 5: we talk about Hey, okay, so the doctor said this,

2479
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,799
Speaker 5: what do we gotta do, Like, let's talk about your health,

2480
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 5: Let's talk about what the future looks like. I'm talking

2481
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 5: about real life things, right, because everybody on the outside

2482
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 5: got a pursu aout that gossip, because.

2483
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 3: The gossip is we all the same.

2484
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 5: Tell me, let's go into all these communities in LA

2485
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 5: and you're gonna see everybody's different, Everyone lives different, everyone

2486
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 5: is different, everyone loves different. So because I'm an athlete,

2487
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 5: and because you know I had a I have a

2488
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,799
Speaker 5: boy at birth, y'all expect that this boy is supposed

2489
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,719
Speaker 5: to do x y Z, just like Zaire had expectation.

2490
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 5: Y'all expect him to be the NBA superstar because I

2491
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 5: had him and blah blah blah. So everyone else on

2492
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 5: the outside have the expectations of my family and my key.

2493
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 5: How you're gonna have expectations of my feeling and my

2494
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 5: kids when I'm still learning and I'm still.

2495
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Trying to still trying to figure it out.

2496
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure it out because I didn't grow

2497
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,879
Speaker 5: up in this in this environment. So let me check myself,

2498
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 5: because if I make it about me, I'm gonna have

2499
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 5: a kid that's gonna go through life, that's gonna be miserable,

2500
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 5: there's gonna go through life. I think the statistics on kids,

2501
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 5: especially in the transgender community, when it comes to suicide,

2502
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 5: it's very high. Right when you don't be when you're

2503
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 5: not seen, when you're not seeing, just as a person

2504
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 5: who get up every day and work hard and grind,

2505
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 5: you got a problem with it, right, You got a

2506
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 5: problem when no one sees you. So I got a

2507
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 5: kid in my house that I can't see and I

2508
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 5: don't take time to look at and see, then this

2509
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 5: kid is gonna feel unloved and on wanting from from

2510
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 5: the father who's mother.

2511
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 3: You guys know my situation right. My ex wife is

2512
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 3: very public, very public.

2513
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: Very natural.

2514
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm the parent in the house.

2515
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 5: I have to see you, I have to hear you,

2516
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 5: and so my child and I have a very open, honest,

2517
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 5: straight for right between the eyes relationship about the journey

2518
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 5: who you are, what you're experiencing, because I don't know,

2519
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 5: because I've never experienced that and it was never shown

2520
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 5: to me that it was Hey, it was never it

2521
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 5: was never presented to me.

2522
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 3: And so being in a position that.

2523
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 5: I'm in as a father, it's my job to understand,

2524
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 5: to be able to say, Okay, everybody, I don't want

2525
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 5: y'all commenting on my life. I don't want y'all comment

2526
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 5: on my daughter's gender, my daughter's sexuality.

2527
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 3: That's not what I want.

2528
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 5: But because we're public figures, and because I know it's

2529
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 5: other kids in the world like Zion, as other dads

2530
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 5: in the world like me, and it will be forever

2531
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 5: because we all are not the same, right, then I allowed,

2532
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 5: then I share a little bit of her journey, a

2533
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 5: little bit of our journey, because we're both going to

2534
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 5: the journey that native one of us knew we will

2535
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 5: be on, right like this, this entire journey, And so

2536
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,640
Speaker 5: I don't think about I think about the safety of

2537
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 5: my kid.

2538
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 3: I think about the safety of other kids in the

2539
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:56,719
Speaker 3: trans community.

2540
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 5: I think about, you know, how the world is trying

2541
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 5: to hush and and and exile entire community like you

2542
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 5: do not exist as black people.

2543
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 1: Do we know about that? We do?

2544
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 3: Damn right, we do. And we the main ones that

2545
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 3: are talking about the trans community.

2546
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 5: We the main ones that won't open and accept and

2547
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 5: we want the world accept us, like what are we doing?

2548
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 5: And so I'm playing a different plan field that most

2549
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 5: people who comment on my life because I understand the

2550
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 5: position that I'm in a lot of black families in

2551
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 5: the communities they don't see or hear, don't get a

2552
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 5: chance to hear these stories from us, don't get a

2553
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 5: chance to see these things from us. And so, yeah,

2554
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 5: I'm sure to a lot of people, I look crazy.

2555
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 5: I don't care about looking crazy to y'all, I care

2556
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 5: about making sure that I'm there for my kids.

2557
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: How difficult is it not to have the support of

2558
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: the other parent with what Zaia is going through? And

2559
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that that probably what Zaia

2560
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 1: wants most is for her parents to understand the journey

2561
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 1: that she's chose to embark upon and be accepting of

2562
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: that journey that she and barking a pun and you

2563
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: have accepted it, jumped on this thing with both feet.

2564
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: But it seems like he's getting some resistance from a mother.

2565
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 1: Is that difficult for you because you see it's hurting

2566
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: the child.

2567
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 3: It's difficult. It's difficult for me. So I can't even

2568
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 3: imagine what it's like for her.

2569
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 2: Did she talk to you about it? Does she have

2570
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: a relationship with her mom?

2571
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 5: She has whatever relationship that she wants to have. I

2572
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 5: assume she's sixteen years old. Yeah, you know she's getting older,

2573
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 5: and so you know the relationship is controlled by phones.

2574
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 5: Now she lived my mother doesn't live here, right, she

2575
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 5: lives in my home.

2576
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 2: But you don't.

2577
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 1: You don't force Zaia to pick up the phone and

2578
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: call her mom. You don't force the mom to like

2579
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: call cause you know sometimes you know kids like did

2580
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: you call you that? Ever, my daughter came to live

2581
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 1: with me, My oldest daughter came to stay with me,

2582
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: and her mom would get into it, you know how

2583
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 1: women get into it, and she'd go, day what I

2584
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: call her? I said, no, we're not gonna do that.

2585
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Pick up the phone and call you whatever you got

2586
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: going on, no matter how you mad at her, she's

2587
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: mad at you. We're not gonna do that.

2588
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 2: You don't do that.

2589
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 3: They don't have that relationship. That's a different relationship. It

2590
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 3: got to be both ways.

2591
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 5: And you're talking about a kid like isaiahs. She's way advanced, way,

2592
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 5: she's way above everybody.

2593
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 3: Thinks she is.

2594
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,560
Speaker 5: You're talking about a kid who has experienced something that

2595
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 5: I don't even know about when it comes to the

2596
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 5: relationship that she's.

2597
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 3: Had to try to have with a mother.

2598
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 5: She's been living with me since she was two and

2599
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 5: a half three years old, and as I said very openly,

2600
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 5: like my wife ain't any part of all this. And

2601
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 5: so what I will do is I will give credit

2602
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 5: to my wife who has stepped in and stepped out

2603
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:43,719
Speaker 5: and become a figure, not a mother, that's not a mom,

2604
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

2605
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 3: I know it's titled step mom bonus moms.

2606
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 5: She's become a consistent figure in her life and as

2607
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 5: a woman who she they can have conversations and talk

2608
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 5: about things that I just can't help her with in

2609
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:58,679
Speaker 5: the midst.

2610
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Of all of what's going on.

2611
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 5: Like I only know what I know, and I only

2612
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 5: know what questions I can go out and ask, right,

2613
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 5: But they have different conversations that I can.

2614
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 3: It's different.

2615
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 5: Trust, So you know, for you know, I remember watching

2616
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 5: my dad step up and be a stepdad, and I

2617
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 5: didn't I just knew it was a lot of other

2618
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 5: kids around.

2619
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 3: I ain't know really what it meant, right, But to be.

2620
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 5: That's a heroic position to be to step in to

2621
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 5: someone else's child. Yeah, become an important figure in their lives.

2622
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 5: And she has been in this journey because I would

2623
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 5: be lost if it was just men ziay out here

2624
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 5: on this journey, right. And so to be able to

2625
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 5: have not only my wife, to be able to have

2626
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:39,600
Speaker 5: our community, it allows us to be able to go

2627
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 5: through all this feeling like we have armor.

2628
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: You might be the biggest de sire in yourself, might

2629
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 1: be the biggest advocate for the trans community because who

2630
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: you are, and you can put someone famous because like

2631
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: you said, they'll hurry like man, nobody know who you

2632
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: guys are. Nobody even cares about you.

2633
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 2: But you give it a face, you give it a name.

2634
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this the wade I mean, because

2635
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: like you said, you had zias issues two and a

2636
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 1: half in zaire your oldest son. How was it being

2637
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: in the NBA and being a single path.

2638
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, first of all, I had, My community

2639
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 5: is large, it's not noning. Ever, like I didn't get

2640
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 5: divorced and.

2641
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 2: Like, yo, let me get them kids.

2642
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, let me get these get in

2643
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 3: these straights, getting these Miami Street.

2644
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: At getting these Miami be nice. I'm like that what

2645
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: I got? What the two kids at the crib?

2646
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you said? It changed everything? And for me, man,

2647
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 3: I wrote a book about it.

2648
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 5: You know how my life became bigger than basketball because

2649
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 5: at that moment when I had to fight for custody,

2650
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 5: because it became I had to fight for crusty, because

2651
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 5: it wasn't just hey, joint cussy, let's raise these kids.

2652
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 5: It became for me it was like, Okay, what's the

2653
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 5: most important thing in your life? It's basketball more important

2654
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 5: than your kids.

2655
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: For you to get them the wade you played, You

2656
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 1: an NBA player, You're a professional athlete. For the judge

2657
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: just say nah the kids going with him?

2658
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 2: Do you know what that means?

2659
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 3: I know, I know. Yeah, I dealt with it all.

2660
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 2: I've dealt with y'all.

2661
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 1: Hey, for a father to get custody of the kids,

2662
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not an easy task.

2663
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,600
Speaker 5: It's not and I mean it's a lot of you know,

2664
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 5: a lot of things I could say about that, but

2665
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 5: I'm very thankful that I did get custody at the

2666
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 5: time I did, especially being Zia's father. There's been a

2667
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 5: way different journey.

2668
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, bazire if because it seems like your your ex

2669
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: is not as accepting of her situation as you are.

2670
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 3: My age don't live in my world neither. She don't

2671
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 3: live in our world.

2672
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 1: Understand, But she doesn't understand. She's not she's not she's

2673
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 1: not exposed to, like you said, your stylists and her

2674
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 1: husband and his husband and some of the community that

2675
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: you've been exposed to since Iia has undertaken this, this

2676
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 1: this transition to try in the world.

2677
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 3: And I go everywhere, I go to communities all around

2678
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 3: the world.

2679
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 5: I see I see difference in everywhere and everybody see different.

2680
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 3: Ways that husband and wife live. It's so many different ways.

2681
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fibe. I don't care what you do.

2682
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm vibing you cool, husband, husband, you cool, We cool,

2683
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 1: and you you all some stuff.

2684
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm some stuff too. I'm a vide right.

2685
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 5: So if she's not, she's not exposed to the life

2686
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 5: that I've been able to do. Well, it's a lot

2687
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 5: of people that I know that's not exposed. Now they

2688
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 5: become accepting of it because the love for me, my family, Zia,

2689
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 5: or just because they feel like they need to be

2690
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 5: just to stay in the fold. But when it comes

2691
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 5: to how I'm able to love and accept from what

2692
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 5: I learned growing up. It's because of my experiences and

2693
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 5: where I've been people that I've been able to.

2694
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 3: Get connected to you.

2695
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 5: If you haven't been able to do that, if your

2696
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 5: passport ain't stamped, if your relationships ain't larger than the

2697
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 5: ones you grew up with in your community, you're gonna

2698
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,560
Speaker 5: stay at a certain level of thinking and how it

2699
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,640
Speaker 5: should be. The world looks so different than it did

2700
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 5: when I grew up in Robins, Illinois, and so the

2701
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 5: world is colorful, man, it's beautiful, it's unique, and my

2702
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 5: daughter's a part of that colorful, beautiful, unique world, and

2703
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 5: so why not embrace her just like I want to

2704
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 5: be accepted. I want to be embraced, right like we

2705
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 5: all want to be embrace and accepted.

2706
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 3: For who we are.

2707
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 5: And so I don't When I look at my daughter,

2708
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 5: I look at someone just like me, that's trying to

2709
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 5: be accepted, that's trying to learn, that's trying to grow,

2710
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 5: that's trying to exist in this world. And I don't

2711
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 5: look at gender. I don't look at sexuality. I don't

2712
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 5: look at her choices and how she want to be

2713
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 5: when them doors closed.

2714
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what you do. She don't

2715
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 1: want to know what we do.

2716
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And so it's my job

2717
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 3: to make sure alone this journey she's growing up, that

2718
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 3: I sit with her.

2719
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 5: I have conversation with her doctor about Hey, how does

2720
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 5: this journey affect my daughter?

2721
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 3: How does it affect her her mind? How does it

2722
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 3: affect her physical? How does whatever it is? I need

2723
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 3: to learn this stuff of sitting there like, nah, nah,

2724
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 3: you ain't. You ain't do that? Why would I do that?

2725
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Why would I?

2726
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 5: She gonna get to her life real soon, she'd be eighteen,

2727
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 5: it's happening. So why would I stunt your growth as

2728
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 5: a as a human being while youre living under my room?

2729
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 3: Before? I know one day you're gonna better do what

2730
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 3: you want to do. So this is, this is what

2731
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 3: you want to do. You wanna play sports, you want

2732
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 3: to dance, you want to do this.

2733
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,799
Speaker 5: Let me help you do it because we have resources,

2734
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 5: we have people we can contact, We have people that

2735
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, that could open up doors.

2736
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,679
Speaker 5: And so for me, man, it's parenting is not making

2737
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:16,599
Speaker 5: you in my likeness.

2738
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 3: You look like me, That's enough. It but you're not me,

2739
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,560
Speaker 3: and so I gotta get to know you.

2740
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 5: And a lot of parents either don't want to do

2741
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 5: it because that's actually been a parent, can't do it

2742
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 5: because of circumstances, can't do it because once again circumstances

2743
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 5: of how community gonna look at you, how the man

2744
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 5: gonna look at.

2745
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 3: You at work?

2746
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 5: Like I understand the journey. I understand that everyone can't

2747
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 5: just be accepted and open arms about it.

2748
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 3: I get it. But also in the midst of just

2749
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 3: understand that you're stunning the growth of your kids.

2750
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 5: We have a small window when we have an impact

2751
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 5: on our kids' lives, right small, A small a small

2752
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 5: window that's ending in my life?

2753
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 3: Was I she turned sixteen? Yeah, as we go on,

2754
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 3: I'll still be but that impact and that voice that.

2755
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 2: I have fun of your Ruth, she'll be out on

2756
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 2: your own.

2757
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 5: And then so what am I teaching her? What lesson

2758
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 5: is I'm gonna teach her about the world that she's

2759
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 5: going out in. That the world only looks this way. No, baby,

2760
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 5: the world is unique. The world is colorful. So my

2761
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 5: daughter is gonna she's going on on this world and

2762
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 5: she's finding people that that looks like her that talks

2763
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 5: like her, that has the same dreams as her, the

2764
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 5: same thoughts as her. Just like I did the NBA,

2765
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 5: I found people that was connected with me and that

2766
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 5: was my community. And so we just got it's just

2767
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 5: a different community than me. And and that's just I

2768
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 5: just look at it different.

2769
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: Man.

2770
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Man, you you still on there? I mean, you be

2771
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 2: blown up there the man, I'm I'm listening.

2772
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm always in pop culture.

2773
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 2: Man, you are you and Gabby my wife?

2774
01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: Your wife? Because she made the comment about you and

2775
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: her split fifty to fifty you can you can.

2776
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 3: You get into that?

2777
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 2: Can you clarify what you mean? Come that's bad into

2778
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 2: that little that's that's very unique.

2779
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: I've never heard of a situation, especially a married couple.

2780
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 2: O can we daity?

2781
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 1: I think it might be you know, hey, I got

2782
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,280
Speaker 1: the movie ticket, You get the popcord and the cabby.

2783
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: You know what, they take it out to dinner. You

2784
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: you leave the tip, you do the valet. But she's

2785
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: like fifty to fifty household, and I think she kind

2786
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: of explained it. But you gotta be y'all got you

2787
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: here so you get.

2788
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 3: You know what I was saying. I was like, you

2789
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 3: know what's crazy when you have it's think pieces that's

2790
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 3: going around the world about me and my wife.

2791
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: Right.

2792
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 5: And I haven't said I haven't given no color to this, right,

2793
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 5: but it's think pieces going around about me as a man.

2794
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 3: Right.

2795
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's make that man make his Wife's

2796
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 1: been fifty the man is there?

2797
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 2: So the same thing, too deep with that gonna lie?

2798
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 3: You saw the same thing.

2799
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you make up as I see how you

2800
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna make that woman pay? He got all that cheese,

2801
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: he makingna pay fifty?

2802
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about it. I'm talking about it.

2803
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 3: So the whole fifty to fifty concepts.

2804
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 5: Okay, So I understand what fifty to fifty means, right,

2805
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 5: Fifty to fifty means that everything in life. You got

2806
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 5: your half and I got my hat, and we're gonna

2807
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 5: put this shit together, try to make a hundred.

2808
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, we're bout to about with the groceres you

2809
01:56:58,960 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: put in the hood that I put it.

2810
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 3: That's how fifty fifty goes. That is not how our

2811
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 3: relationship works, all right. We don't see everybody think fifty fifty.

2812
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 3: They think, hey, if he getting a sign wich you

2813
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 3: got to put fifty percent on that. He got one hundred,

2814
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 3: two hundred. Whatever people think I got, that's not how

2815
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 3: it works. Fifty to fifty in our household is.

2816
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 5: First of all, let's say I have twenty to fifty

2817
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 5: responsibilities and my wife have twenty to fifty responsibilities.

2818
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 3: And when I say that, that means she has a mother, she.

2819
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 5: Has a sister's, she has her dad, she has her

2820
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,400
Speaker 5: she has a lot of things that she's responsible for.

2821
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 3: Right, you know what she does, she pays one hundred

2822
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 3: percent of that.

2823
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 2: Right you know what I do.

2824
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 3: I pay one hundred percent of my life. When our

2825
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 3: life come together.

2826
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 5: My wife is a working actress who spends time away

2827
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 5: from the family to go work.

2828
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 3: Do our bild.

2829
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 5: We decided together because I think I said one time

2830
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 5: we was in Miami.

2831
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 3: I said something about it be in my house that

2832
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 3: I paid for.

2833
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh.

2834
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 5: Wife looked at me. She was like, you will never

2835
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 5: say that to me again when it's something that we share.

2836
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 5: And so my wife was like that when we move

2837
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 5: to La I.

2838
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 3: Got half on it. You will never say my house again.

2839
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 5: Wow, she said, you can say that in arena, And

2840
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 5: so in our life at home, fifty to fifty. We

2841
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 5: purchased it together, right, our daughter. Anything that goes on

2842
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 5: our daughter, fifty to fifty, we share it together. Now

2843
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 5: it's some things I pick up or something she picked up.

2844
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 5: But she does something I does.

2845
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 3: I do something. Right, if we take a if we.

2846
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:27,520
Speaker 5: Take a yacht trip, we could do it fifty to fifty,

2847
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 5: or I can do it myself. But my wife is

2848
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 5: a working woman, right, She's a boss and an independent

2849
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 5: woman her own life. She's like, I'm gonna put you

2850
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 5: know what, that little two hundred, that little two hundred

2851
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 5: that she was gonna spend on this, I'm gonna throw

2852
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 5: something else on that We're gonna go on a bigger trip.

2853
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 3: We gotta ball out, like this is my wife, right,

2854
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 3: Like I don't know about y'all, but I like having

2855
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 3: a wife. That's like, that's cool, you can do that.

2856
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 5: The house we live in, thank God, and hidding heels

2857
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 5: nice house, right whatever millions, we could have had a house,

2858
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 5: a nice house on my fifty percent too, right, it'd

2859
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 5: been nice. She was like, no, let me put something

2860
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 5: else on and let us live a little different.

2861
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 2: Oh, they got a little bigger.

2862
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 5: So we probably shared three things in our life that

2863
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 5: were fifty fifty on right. Everything else, I'm one thousand

2864
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 5: percent and she's one thousand percent right. And so we

2865
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 5: decided that certain pieces of our life we would share

2866
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 5: in it.

2867
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 1: But d Wade, that.

2868
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 2: Works for y'all.

2869
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 1: Why why does it matter if it's seventy five twenty five,

2870
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 1: if it's if it's eighty five fifteen.

2871
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 2: That's your life.

2872
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 1: Why everybody is so consumed what goes on in everybody

2873
01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 1: else household when they household f up?

2874
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 3: Well, listen, that's a whole nother story. And that's just

2875
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 3: the word I go to sleep.

2876
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, man, you see that d Wade making

2877
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 2: his wife. I mean, I was just saying. I was

2878
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: just joking.

2879
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 3: I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish I could

2880
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 3: make my I don't make my wife do anything. First

2881
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 3: of all, if I could, we wouldn't been the headlines

2882
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,960
Speaker 3: all the time. I'd be like, when you stopped talking,

2883
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, my wife is.

2884
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 2: She gonna respond?

2885
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: Now you say something, you say something, you get out

2886
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 1: of the pocket with us.

2887
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 3: Listen, if my wife had this microphone way before I did,

2888
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 3: y'all been watching Bring It On for a long.

2889
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: Time, right, She been bringing it on for a long time.

2890
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 5: So like when she say fifty fifty and people take

2891
02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 5: a clip of it, yeah, I understand. Like I listen,

2892
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,919
Speaker 5: I listened to all the things pieces I laugh. I'm like, okay,

2893
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 5: that's the point right there.

2894
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 1: I get that, but that ain't how we live.

2895
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 3: But I understand your point.

2896
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 2: They took it in this little interpretation that.

2897
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 3: You're fifty fifty everything. Now, it don't work like that.

2898
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:20,360
Speaker 5: I do all right for myself, but in certain moments

2899
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 5: that we want to do better together, we do better together.

2900
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 3: And what And first of all, listen, I told my wife.

2901
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 3: I said, hey, baby, listen, you're not about to be

2902
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 3: taking all this time away from the family building your

2903
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 3: wealth while I'm spending all mine.

2904
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Right.

2905
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't know where they do that at.

2906
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: All I know is you know what I mean? She

2907
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,120
Speaker 1: come home, be like baby, it was good. I'll move

2908
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 1: on from you.

2909
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 6: And I have spent all my cheese. Shene build all

2910
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 6: her You know what, I told us how many kids

2911
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 6: I have before we started? I asked wives, like all

2912
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 6: kind of stuff, right when cheese go all over the place.

2913
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 6: She's just building on her cheese and I'm spending on mine.

2914
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 6: Listen why they do that at you know what way talking?

2915
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 2: You know what in that bob?

2916
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Oh, now, I ain't do

2917
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 1: this by myself though, I been have a little wig.

2918
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 5: About So everybody think fifty to fifty means that, hey baby,

2919
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 5: I need Hey baby, I'm gonna go get this sandwich.

2920
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 3: You got, you got, you got ten dollars on it.

2921
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 5: Right, come on, y'all, y'all got y'all gotta y'all gotta

2922
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,440
Speaker 5: be come on man like, y'all gotta stop this.

2923
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,000
Speaker 3: You're gonna stop this small thinking man.

2924
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 2: Right, I'm glad you cleared that up. But she did.

2925
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I signed the prenup because what are

2926
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 2: you have before he met me? Is what a you

2927
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:26,640
Speaker 2: ha before he met me?

2928
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: Now?

2929
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,040
Speaker 2: What we accumulate together, that's what we got.

2930
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 3: But what we rock with? Yeah, yeah, and what she

2931
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 3: has like and that's the thing.

2932
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:34,720
Speaker 2: Now.

2933
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 3: Now I told her the same way.

2934
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: I'll signed a prenump too.

2935
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 3: Right. You a millionaire, you got money, you work hard

2936
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 3: for yourself. You should.

2937
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,640
Speaker 2: I think everybody, I think everybody should have.

2938
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 3: A prenumb Why not you're getting assurance, don't you.

2939
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Because your people? I mean, I ain't happy when I

2940
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,520
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. I said, I'm gonna sign a prenup.

2941
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 1: They're like, Sean, why are you gonna sign a product?

2942
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: You ain't got nothing. I say, so, if I leave,

2943
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 1: I want one hundred percent of my nothing.

2944
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't want fifty nothing nothing.

2945
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't want nothing. I want all of But what

2946
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to do is if she decided to

2947
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 3: move on from me, she got two hundred and I.

2948
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,600
Speaker 2: Got ten, exactly exactly.

2949
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 3: I've been spending all my money and all these dance recitals,

2950
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 3: all these games, all these trips, everything, and I just stable.

2951
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, take care of everything I do. I take

2952
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 3: care of my mama. I take care of my daddy.

2953
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 3: I take care of boom boom boom boom boom.

2954
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 5: When it comes to me and my wife, I take

2955
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 5: care like this and another thing. We're go on trips,

2956
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 5: were on all this stuff, y'all see the big trips.

2957
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 5: Now my wife will put it on a big trip.

2958
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:28,080
Speaker 5: It's a whole calendar year where I had to step

2959
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 5: in and I have to make sure that the relationship

2960
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 5: is spicy, that is sexy, and my credit card gets

2961
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:33,880
Speaker 5: used through everything.

2962
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 1: You feel me? Yeah, so yeah, we fifty fifty and three.

2963
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 5: I got about fifty to one hundred things that I

2964
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:41,840
Speaker 5: paid for that I'm responsible for everybody, So thank y'all

2965
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 5: for the thing piece.

2966
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 1: You have a Zobbie, your youngest daughter Kavea Cavia that

2967
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 1: you through surrogency, and you said that you and your

2968
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 1: wife had a lot, a lot of miscarriagters and you

2969
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 1: had a conversation with her. You sided that one night,

2970
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: say maybe come on that I can't keep putting you

2971
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:05,839
Speaker 1: through this because you saw the pain and the anguish

2972
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: that it was causing her, and she's hurting. You're hurting

2973
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 1: even more because you know how bad she wants to

2974
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 1: be a mother. Yeah, being the step mother is fine,

2975
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 1: but there's something about your own.

2976
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you saw the pain that it was causing her,

2977
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:22,280
Speaker 2: and you said, baby, we ain't.

2978
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 1: Got to do this no more.

2979
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2980
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:24,200
Speaker 1: What was that?

2981
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 2: How?

2982
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 1: How?

2983
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:26,760
Speaker 2: What was that conversation?

2984
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 1: Like?

2985
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:28,959
Speaker 3: It was a tough conversation.

2986
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,840
Speaker 5: As a man, you want to you want to stay

2987
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:33,400
Speaker 5: out the way and get out the way when it

2988
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 5: comes to this whole birthday conversation about.

2989
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 3: Kids because you won't do much right a minute job.

2990
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 1: You don't do much, so you know.

2991
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 5: It took me a long time to even say that

2992
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:47,960
Speaker 5: to my wife because I knew what was important for

2993
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:49,920
Speaker 5: her and also knew what was important for us.

2994
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 1: Right.

2995
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 5: She knew I wanted a daughter, she knew I wanted to,

2996
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 5: you know, to grow my family. She knew I wanted

2997
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 5: to grow our family. Once we start having conversations about right,

2998
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 5: a family, right, and to watch her go down the

2999
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,360
Speaker 5: journey if anybody know the journey.

3000
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:07,080
Speaker 3: It's a lot of shots. Yeah, it's a lot of

3001
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 3: doctor physics.

3002
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:10,080
Speaker 5: It's a lot of things to make you feel like

3003
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 5: you're not like that, you're not a whole person, that

3004
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 5: you're empty, that you don't have this, that you don't

3005
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 5: have that.

3006
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot of because did you feel less than

3007
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 1: a woman?

3008
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:18,680
Speaker 2: Because you.

3009
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 5: But it's a lot of steps leading to that that

3010
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,160
Speaker 5: make you feel less than right because it.

3011
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 3: Could take someone over here like this.

3012
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 1: You can have twelve kids.

3013
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 5: And so being there, all the conversations with the doctors,

3014
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,480
Speaker 5: all the conversations with my wife, all the pain, all

3015
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:39,160
Speaker 5: the helping her take shots, all of watching her take shots,

3016
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:43,320
Speaker 5: all watch for five years. The miscarriage is that at

3017
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:44,760
Speaker 5: the end of the day, for me, I was like

3018
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 5: baby like I married you. I want to go down

3019
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 5: this journey of life with you. We don't know how

3020
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 5: long this jurney gonna last.

3021
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 3: And so what is what this is doing is this

3022
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:54,760
Speaker 3: is taken away from you. Is putting your.

3023
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 5: Health in harm's way. This picture don't work without you.

3024
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:03,880
Speaker 5: So if it's no you, it ain't no expending this family.

3025
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 5: And so it became a point where it started becoming

3026
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 5: dangerous for her to continue to keep doing all the

3027
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 5: things she was doing.

3028
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:10,840
Speaker 3: For all the years.

3029
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 5: And so that was a hard conversation for me to

3030
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:16,560
Speaker 5: have because I'm not doing nothing. I'm just holding your hand,

3031
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 5: I'm just supporting, just listening. My body is physically not

3032
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 5: going through any of these things. And so I don't

3033
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:23,920
Speaker 5: want to step in in the way of our dreams

3034
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:26,720
Speaker 5: and your journey. But the end of the day, the journey,

3035
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:30,480
Speaker 5: don't this picture. Don't this picture Now, we got to

3036
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,640
Speaker 5: have a star in this movie, and you the star

3037
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 5: in this movie. And so she listened because that's what

3038
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:37,600
Speaker 5: it was about.

3039
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:40,320
Speaker 3: It was about getting to the ultimate goal of having

3040
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 3: you know, ourmericle chap, having our daughter right. And every

3041
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 3: day I look at my daughter, man, I smile at her.

3042
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:49,720
Speaker 5: Because she don't even know how how much work went

3043
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:51,960
Speaker 5: into getting her here, how much her mother wanted her,

3044
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,800
Speaker 5: how much her her dad wanted her, and everybody around,

3045
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,680
Speaker 5: the doctors and the surrogate mother and all the people

3046
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 5: that helped her, helped us get to this point where

3047
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 5: to every day wake up and hear daddy and hear mommy.

3048
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 3: From my daughter.

3049
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna get you out of here on this one,

3050
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 1: d way, there was some infidelity in the relationship, or

3051
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: there's something that transpired, Was it harder for you to

3052
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:15,120
Speaker 1: sit down and have a conversation and to tell her

3053
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 1: that something had happened outside the relationship? Or losing the finals.

3054
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:26,360
Speaker 5: Way harder to have a conversation with my now wife right,

3055
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 5: who wasn't at the time, but my now wife about it, like,

3056
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 5: you try to.

3057
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 3: Think of everything possible.

3058
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 1: Because you think about what you're gonna say, and you're

3059
02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 1: also thinking about how she's going to react.

3060
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're thinking about it all. It's all scary.

3061
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 1: One.

3062
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:47,120
Speaker 5: The whole situation is scary enough. Your public figure, that's yeah, yeah,

3063
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 5: but you you've heard you know that this is going

3064
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 5: to it's gonna hurt that you've been building a relationship

3065
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 5: with and a life with Right And no matter what

3066
02:06:58,240 --> 02:07:00,120
Speaker 5: people say on the outside or what people want, the

3067
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 5: thing this and that like ultimately, like you gotta sit

3068
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 5: with you, and you gotta sit with this person and

3069
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 5: this is who you're gonna be.

3070
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 2: With, right.

3071
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 5: And I had to had to sit with my wife

3072
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:10,720
Speaker 5: about this, well my now wife about this, and had

3073
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:11,800
Speaker 5: this conversation.

3074
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:13,880
Speaker 1: You told her before it came became public. Yeah, yeah,

3075
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 1: yeah I did, because I don't know d way that

3076
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:18,240
Speaker 1: she just stuck with you that thing to come public

3077
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 1: and you ain't have the conversation with her.

3078
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:21,520
Speaker 5: Man, Listen, let me tell you, I couldn't. I couldn't

3079
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 5: have gotten through that moment without her sticking with me,

3080
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:26,360
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like it was a weird

3081
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:28,360
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, I think even in going into the

3082
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 5: finals at whatever you was, man.

3083
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:32,080
Speaker 3: That was that was a rough time for me.

3084
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 1: Bro.

3085
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 2: So you got a lot on your mind.

3086
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 3: You got a lot on your mind. You're keeping you know,

3087
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:39,440
Speaker 3: you're keeping something from people you love, right, And it's

3088
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:43,200
Speaker 3: heavy at night when it get quiet, yeah us just

3089
02:07:43,240 --> 02:07:46,360
Speaker 3: you and your thoughts. Yeah, them thoughts is loud and

3090
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 3: you and it gets it gets loud up here.

3091
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 1: In his mind.

3092
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:50,800
Speaker 3: And so it came to a point where yeah, way

3093
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 3: before you know, and I tried to pussy foot around it.

3094
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,240
Speaker 5: I tried to break up with her. Hey, you know

3095
02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 5: things has been bad lately. Hey, we've been having a

3096
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:01,720
Speaker 5: little this is relationship anyway, Like I tried to all that,

3097
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:08,320
Speaker 5: she kept showing up. And so it hasn't been perfect.

3098
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:14,160
Speaker 5: It would never be perfect. But that was nine years ago, right,

3099
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 5: and we're still we go to therapy. We've been to therapy, right,

3100
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 5: We've had shouts about it, We've had a regular conversations

3101
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 5: about it, and so it's been something that is going

3102
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 5: to continue to be something that I have to work

3103
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 5: at and work on. It doesn't go away because years

3104
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 5: come or because I say I'm sorry or whatever it is.

3105
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 1: And so is that the hardest part of any way

3106
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:37,440
Speaker 1: to know that you've done this, and it's probably always

3107
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a source of contention, It's always gonna be

3108
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:41,240
Speaker 1: something that to possibly be brought up.

3109
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 2: It might be ten years from now, it might be fifteen.

3110
02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:46,839
Speaker 1: You guys might be seventy five years old, and you still.

3111
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 5: Might have to well when it comes to my wife

3112
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,720
Speaker 5: and I, Yeah, that's that's hard. We got to always

3113
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 5: it's always there. But when it comes to my son,

3114
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 5: that's hard for him. This is gonna always be there.

3115
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:03,560
Speaker 5: He's done nothing, sustained as on him for no reason, right,

3116
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:07,200
Speaker 5: And I think about that more than you know, Like

3117
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,880
Speaker 5: we're dopts and we're gonna get.

3118
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 3: Through it, or we ain't gonna get through right, we're

3119
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:12,400
Speaker 3: adults in this space.

3120
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:16,560
Speaker 5: This is a young kid who has already got a

3121
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:21,040
Speaker 5: negative impact next to his name, and he hasn't even

3122
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 5: had a chance to complish, right, And they already got

3123
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:24,480
Speaker 5: a negative next to his name because of how he

3124
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:25,480
Speaker 5: was brought into this world.

3125
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 3: And I think about that.

3126
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 5: I think about my you know, son that bears my name,

3127
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:33,040
Speaker 5: and I think about my wife, like of course I

3128
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,320
Speaker 5: think about I think about all my kids.

3129
02:09:34,360 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 3: I think about it all. But ultimately, what I do

3130
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 3: know is at the end of the day, this is

3131
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 3: my family. This is my story. We gonna get through this.

3132
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 5: How we gonna get through, But we're gonna get through it,

3133
02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:52,800
Speaker 5: you feel me? And so you know, I think you know, time, distance, space,

3134
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:55,600
Speaker 5: it doesn't help it, but it makes it.

3135
02:09:58,320 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 1: It allows you to.

3136
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,040
Speaker 3: See things differently when you have time away from it.

3137
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 5: And so my wife and I nine years later, are

3138
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 5: in a different space where we're able to have different

3139
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 5: conversations about that moment, about the future of my son,

3140
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 5: about how we want to incorporate, how we want to be,

3141
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:17,760
Speaker 5: And that's just one aspect of this long journey, right

3142
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 5: But ultimately.

3143
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 3: For me, it's all about making her understand that.

3144
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,760
Speaker 5: I'm continue to grow, continue to you know, to work

3145
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 5: on myself, not understand, but show her right, and she's

3146
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 5: showing me. It goes both ways. But in this instance

3147
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,560
Speaker 5: but also too at the same time, love my kids.

3148
02:10:42,240 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 5: This is my story, and I didn't ask for it

3149
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 5: to all.

3150
02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:45,800
Speaker 3: Be this way.

3151
02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:49,360
Speaker 5: I don't know what's coming in the future, but right

3152
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:52,440
Speaker 5: now this is all mine, and so as good as

3153
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,240
Speaker 5: it looks or as bad as it seems, it is mine.

3154
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 3: And I'm thankful to even have the good in my life.

3155
02:10:58,360 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 5: And I'm also thankful to have the things that's little

3156
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 5: want comfortable to talk about and deal with an experience,

3157
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 5: because that makes you live a full life, right And

3158
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:07,840
Speaker 5: so that's all I'm trying to do, is trying to

3159
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:09,360
Speaker 5: figure out a way to live a full life together.

3160
02:11:10,360 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the Hall of Fame and congratulations on the wine.

3161
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:16,520
Speaker 1: Wine sellers, go ahead and get you a couple of bottles.

3162
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:18,280
Speaker 1: D Wade appreciate you, brother.

3163
02:11:18,080 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.

3164
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:24,920
Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, bad

3165
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 4: the price, want to slice, got to brow the dice,

3166
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 4: swap all my life. I'll be grinding all my life. Yeah,

3167
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:32,000
Speaker 4: all my life.

3168
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:33,040
Speaker 1: Grinding all my.

3169
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:37,960
Speaker 4: Life, sacrifice, hustle, bad to price, want slice, got to

3170
02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 4: brow the dice, the swap all my life.

3171
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:41,360
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life.