1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Food Stuff. I'm Any and I'm 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum and Annie, do you have a Do you 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: have a question for us all today? I do. It's 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: a very important question. What color is your flim? Um? 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: What I clearish? Oh? Is that bad? Perhaps? No? I 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: don't know. But next time you see your flat, maybe 7 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: maybe take note of the color. Um. Today we're talking 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: about something I honestly when I started the research, had 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: no idea what it was, and it was fascinating, and 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: that is humors. HUMORL theory, HUMORL theory. We've mentioned it 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: a couple of times. Um. And I'm going to say 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: right at the set here, you're going to think as 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: we go, as we start delving into this, this has 14 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: nothing to do with food, because that's what I thought. 15 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: But it does. We will get to the food. There's 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of non food stuff that we have to 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: cover first. We will get to how it relates the food. Yeah, 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and we wanted to do the episode because when you 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: research the history of foods that have been around since 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: at least the Middle Ages, especially if Europeans had anything 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: to do with those foods, you are bound to run 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: into humoral theory in the discussion about them. Uh yeah, 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: we we We talked about it a little bit in 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: aspect and I think I'm meant to get into humors 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: in cinnamon, but got super overwhelmed and didn't. It's really 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: fascinating and the basis for a surprising amount of thought 27 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: about like how humans work that persists even today. Yeah, 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,919 Speaker 1: so humors, humors, what is it? What is it? Well, 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of like the first personality test a 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah. Um So, the four humors or the 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: four temperaments was a theory largely accepted by the ancient 32 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Greeks and Romans, and it really was kind of like 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: a personality test. Those humors said a lot about your character, 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: your strength, your weaknesses, physical and mental. Yeah. It was 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: believed essentially without question up through the Middle Ages in 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the West, and persisted until modern science came around in 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: like the past couple of centuries. Um. It also spread 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: east through India and into Southeast Asia, and there are 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: a couple independently created humoral related theories as well, such 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: as in a traditional Chinese medicine and some Native American medicines. 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Though largely we're going to be talking about like medieval 42 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: through modern Western concepts today. Yes, they were the big humorist. 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: Yes they took it so seriously humorous about it at all. 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: They were quite serious. The medicinal aspect of the four 45 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: humors has been debunked, mostly by the scientific community. There's 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: still used as a basis for several modern personality tests 47 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: like Myers Briggs, and some people still follow as some 48 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: people still kind of believe in it. Yes, we will 49 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: reference some of that later. Um And yes, humors does 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: not refer to your comedic sensibility. No, no, or for 51 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: some reason, doesn't Shakespeare have something to do with this? 52 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: I saw something about Shakespeare. I always think of like 53 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: the three Witches from My Path. But there's four humors 54 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: and they're just telling jokes in your ear. I'm pretty 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: sure that was a thing at some point somewhere. Okay, 56 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: perhaps invest my dreams. I believe you. Okay, thank you, Lauren. 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: Um No, they're the humors of medicine, bodily fluids from 58 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: the Latin word humor meaning liquid or fluid, so it's blood, flegm, 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: yellow bile, and black bio. Specifically, these humors were tied 60 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: to the four elements, and we're seen as sort of 61 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: their metabolic manifestation. So you've got blood repers sending air, 62 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: flam representing water, yellow bile representing fire, and black bile 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: representing earth. And this was all based in the idea 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: that the human body is like a microposum of the universe. 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: Every person is like the universe or or the heavens, 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: and Earth is. Folks probably would have been more likely 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: to say, um, you know, like we're each made up 68 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: of the same elemental stuff as the universe, and that 69 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: to maintain good health, we've got to maintain a balance 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: of that stuff. And since we obviously don't contain like 71 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: literal fire or rocks unless something very serious has gone 72 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: wrong or a mutant from the X Men, perhaps true enough, 73 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: good point. Um, the humors, yes, are the representation or 74 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: manifestation of those elements in our bodies rights. And each 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: of these humors was associated with a personality type, a season, 76 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: and a combination of hotness, coldness, witness, and dryness. Okay, 77 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: so I have like the basic breakdowns of all of 78 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: the plus if you want to associate it with a 79 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: lot of things that we still use today, I have 80 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: the equivalent to those things which will make more sense 81 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: once I go into it. So here we go. So 82 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: blood was the Sangwed humor. Personality wise, this is your 83 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: happy go like each type the social butterfly, charismatic, optimistic, flighty, frivolous, impulsive, 84 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: a tad disorganized. Perhaps it's tied to the human liver 85 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: and the month of spring, hot and moist. This is 86 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the inspired influencer of the Myers, Briggs, test e and 87 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: F personality types, the optimist or the realist. The planet 88 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: is Jupiter Western Zodiac, Gemini Libra Aquarius. Personality blood type 89 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: B and I didn't know this was a thing, but 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: apparently it is. Horsemen of the apocalypse conquest are pestiles. 91 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: I I've never had anyone ask me what horsemen of 92 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: the apocalypse are? You know, I'm kind of bummed because 93 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: this is the when I got when I took the 94 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: which humor? Are you fast? And I'm sure pestilence and 95 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: conquest is fine? But I wanted like death. I don't 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: know what that says about me. Well, I mean the 97 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: rest of it's nice though that and that describes you 98 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: pretty well, it does, But there's one I think describes 99 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: me better. Towards the end, uh I'll point it out 100 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: when we get there. Perfect. The second is flegm. Flegm 101 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: was the flegmatic humor of Phlegmatic people are stable, relaxed, quiet, consistent, loyal, kind, shy, 102 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: but they can be passive, aggressive, and or lazy. Yeah. 103 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: Associated with the lungs and brain and the season of winter, 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: cool and moist. This is the stable supporter of Myers 105 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: Briggs personality types E and F. The optimists are the apathetic. 106 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: The planet are in this case is satellite, is the moon, 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: the western zodiac associated with cancer, Scorpio, Pisces, and the 108 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: horsemen of the apocalypse. Yeah, so cool, It's cool in pestilence. 109 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: I can't help it. I'm sorry, pestilence is great. Come on, 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: mm hmm, okay, I'll think about it. You've got black bile. 111 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: That was the melancholic humor. Melancholic people were thought to 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: be reserved, quiet, thoughtful, serious, intense, moody, introspective, sensitive, brooding, perfectionist, careful, 113 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and weighing options. Black bile was linked to autumn and 114 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: the gall bladder, cool and dry. And this sounds to 115 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: me like the romantic interest in almost all young adult fiction, oh, 116 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: certainly all of the vampire characters. Absolutely, this is the 117 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: contemplating conscience of Myers Briggs, the I T personality types, 118 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: the cynic or the realist. The planet is Saturn, Western 119 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: zodiac is Taurus Virgo Capricorn, blood type A, and the 120 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Horsemen of the Apocalypse is famine. I gotta look more 121 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: into that later, I really do. Yellow Vial was the 122 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: caleric humor. This denoted a leadership personality, high energy, ambitious, dominant, confident, 123 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: pass passionate, perhaps a little overbearing, easy to anger generally, 124 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: but not always an extrovert. It's so associated with the 125 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: spleen and summer, which makes sense with the fire element 126 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: hot and dry. This is the dominant driver of Myers 127 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: Briggs personality types E and T, the cynic and apathetic. 128 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: The planet is Mars, Western zodiac is aries Leo Sagittarius. 129 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: Blood type Oh, Horsemen of the Apocalypse war, is this 130 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: the one that you think fits you better? You took 131 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: like an online test, right, it was. I didn't do 132 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: that professional. I didn't do a real thing. It was like, 133 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: which humor are you? In the fondest comic sands? So 134 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that it was super rigorous. I mean 135 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm a combination of both. That's sure, thank you. Yeah, No, dude, 136 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: do what you want and that's a that's a good 137 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: horseman to be work. Sure, I gotta consider my life choices. Um. 138 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: And according to this theory, to be a healthy person, 139 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: you wanted a balance of these humors, and the proper 140 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: balance was highly individualized, and this was called your constitution, 141 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: right and your age and sex also figured into this. Uh, 142 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: Ladies were thought to be colder and moister then dudes, 143 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the word moist so much over the 144 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: course of this, and I'm pretty upset about it. Um, 145 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: And young people were thought to be hotter and moister 146 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: than older people. Okay, just stuff to watch out for. Yeah, 147 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: moist nous and imbalance calls illness or disease. Too much 148 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: blood lead to a fever, too much black bio lead 149 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: to depression, too much yellow bio lead to a cough, 150 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: and too much flann led to a cold, among other things. 151 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: But those are like examples. Um. If this imbalance stick around, 152 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: it led to certain behaviors or personality types. A calm 153 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: and treatment for an imbalance was blood letting. If you 154 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: had too much of a certain type of humor. This 155 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: was the go to way to balance it out. Also, 156 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: as a very early version of the detox, you'd get 157 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: a blood letting once the season to maintain the balance. 158 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: We're just shrugging at each other wordlessly, and I'm just 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: shaking my head. This is making for really great radio, 160 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: but sure. And one of the things that could cause 161 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: an imbalance was food, your diet. Here we arrived to 162 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: the food of food stuff of this episode. Um diet 163 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: could also be a part of balancing your humors, and 164 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: this was really the primary way for like several centuries 165 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: that physicians would deal with patients. They'd recommend specific foods 166 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: to keep your humors in balance. And like I said, 167 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: it was taken very seriously if if you ate foods 168 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: against a physicians recommendation, it was considered like a rejection 169 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: of professional help. Oh h. This was actually used as 170 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: a defense in allegations of malpractice. Uh. There's a record 171 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: of of a leech in in York, England in the 172 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: four hundreds. Leach being a type of doctor who used leeches. 173 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: Anyway he was he was denying negligence of a patient 174 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: because the patient ate unwholesome foods against advice and he 175 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: said this not only nullified his medications effects, but actually 176 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: caused the medication to be expelled from the patient's body. Oh, 177 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: I've read a lot of doctors which they could use 178 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: this defense to this day. I told you, I told 179 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: you to put down the burgers man. Yeah. Um. And 180 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: we're going to talk all about the diet, the humors, 181 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: and more. But first we're gonna take a quick break 182 00:11:47,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. 183 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: The idea of the four humors was first proposed by 184 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: ancient Greek physician Hippocrates sometime around four hundred sixty so eventually, 185 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: somewhat modified versions were adopted by Western Europe and Islamic cultures. 186 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Galen later elaborated upon it in the second century CE, 187 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: Islamic scholars expounded even further in ninth century c E, 188 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: and then European writers expounded upon that even more in 189 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: eleventh century CE. Despite two prominent novels criticizing humoral theory 190 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: fifteen forty three CES, the Humanus Corporis Fabrica and s CS, 191 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: this humorisms stuck around until the medical developments of the 192 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. People were like, Nope, this is right, this 193 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: is definitely what it what it is. I'm hunting moisten, 194 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: can't tell me any different. Part part of the reason 195 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: it probably stuck around so so long was that there 196 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: was huge like like idolization of Hippocrates and Galen throughout 197 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: throughout for I just forever like that. Yeah, people were 198 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: just like, nope, this is what's up. They knew what 199 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: was up. Their smartest best people with listen to them. 200 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Don't tell me otherwise, right, yeah, until we were like, oh, 201 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: oh there's microorganisms. Oh wait a minute, perhaps we should 202 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: re examine this. Yes, speaking of micro or organisms, let's 203 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: talk about digestion. Digestion, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. According 204 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: to humorism, there were four digestions. First, in your gas 205 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: strown intestinal tract. This process produces kyle and human waste. 206 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Then you get the second digestion in the liver and 207 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: this is where the four humors are produced. The third 208 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: digestion takes place in the blood vessels and it is 209 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: what feeds your organs. The fourth digestion happens in human tissues. 210 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I should be in front of a 211 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: whiteboard like pointing at things right now, and I want 212 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: to note here that This is a fascinatingly accurate depiction 213 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: of how digestion works. If you take away the purely 214 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: the humorous part. Yeah, like like they were working on stuff. 215 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of impressive unpacking the humor production part. Blood 216 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: is the first and most produced and receives the best nutrients. Therefore, 217 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: then comes flim. It's the second, most plintiful and gets 218 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: the second best nutrients. The pattern continues with yellow vile third, 219 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: and black bile four. Over Eating was discouraged because it 220 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: was thought that you would disrupt this digestive process and 221 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and thus lead to the overproduction of one or another 222 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: of the humors, and that dreaded imbalance, and that whole hot, cold, 223 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: wet dry thing. Um every humor was either hot or cold, 224 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: and wet or dry. This is where the humors and 225 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: diet start coming together when it comes to humors and 226 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: balancing them. Are wet in your diet might be causing 227 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: the imbalance. Ancient physicians first looked at the heating and 228 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: cooling nature of foods, not a temperature thing, but more 229 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: of a metabolism thing. What they thought it was doing 230 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: to your body. Hot foods stimulate the metabolism. Cold ones 231 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: slow it down. Um. Heating foods include things like garlic, horse, shaddish, ginger, eggs, chicken, wheat, walnuts, lemon, apples, olives, 232 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and aged cheeses. Cooling foods, on the other hands, where 233 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: things like mil yogurt, mint, chocolate, fruit, cucumber, fish, melons, 234 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: and fresh cheeses. And this is from a kind of 235 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: modern ish um Greek medicinal book, so it's been updated. 236 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, some people still still talking about the Greek 237 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: Greek medicine and humorism. So that's why some of these 238 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: foods might sound dangerously modern, dangerously so um. Second, physicians 239 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: would look at dry foods versus wet foods, which pretty 240 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: much does mean dry and wet. Dry foods were things 241 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: like beans, asparagus, pomegranate, salt. Wet foods were bananas, avocados, yogurt, 242 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: fresh cheese, fish. Furthermore, foods were thought to have degrees 243 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: of wetness, dryness, heat, and hold, like three or four 244 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: degrees of how intensely hot or whatever something was. Let us, 245 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: for example, was considered cool and moist in the third degree. 246 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Serious stuff felts like that, let us go to jail. 247 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what has been up to camera. Meal, 248 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: on the other hand, was hot and dry in the 249 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: first degree. A mild medication and different combinations of things 250 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: might be used to achieve the right strength of a therapy. 251 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: This really is fascinating. Uh. And the way that foods 252 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: were prepared and served also mattered. Raw fruits and herbs 253 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: were considered colder than cooked ones. Beef would generally be 254 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: considered a hot, wet food, but if it's served chilled, 255 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: that exkews it away from hot, or if you salt it, 256 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: that'll balance it out towards dry. If a cook takes 257 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: pains to dry out of fish, it might not affect 258 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: you so wetly. I don't want to be wetly affected. 259 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: You'll get flemy. It'll be terrible. Oh no, yeah, I 260 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: get flemy. Nothing anything but flemy keeps reminding me of 261 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Half Blood Prince. I think it's the second chapter of 262 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: The Half Blood Prince. A touch of flegm about Bill's 263 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: fiance core. Anyway, that is a deep cut. I'm a 264 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: big hay Fun fan. I want some trivia contest in 265 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: my day. And yeah, just stuff like that, you know, 266 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: like if you if you prepare gelatine, which is cold 267 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: and dry along with hot conditioned foods, or if you 268 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: serve if you serve it with with aged wine, then 269 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: that balances it out. It's a math problem, man, it 270 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: is a balancing act. On top of this, each humor 271 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: has foods that it is sensitive to like in coordination 272 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: with this because eat right. Because of what the humors 273 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: are doing and what the foods are doing, it's all 274 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: working to other Phlegm is aggravated by milk, fresh cheese, wheat, 275 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: and cold foods. Yellow bio doesn't get along with salt, alcohol, vinegar, 276 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: overly sour foods, hot spices, red meat and those aged 277 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: cheese is black. Bile doesn't like beans, nuts, tomatoes, blood 278 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: isn't really picky. But everything in moderation. Although a cording 279 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: to one thing I read, I should be avoiding sugar, butter, basil, 280 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: butter again, lamb and peacock. Oh no, those are all 281 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: the foods you eat every day. That's my lunch, nothing 282 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: but peacock, nothing, pea cock and lamb for days. What 283 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: I do now that the butter and basil thing is 284 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: that's a that's a bummer. That is I actually really 285 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: do enjoy fresh basil. It's one of my favorite summertime things. 286 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: And uh, okay, we've got more for you about how 287 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: all of this theory was put into practice, but first 288 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: we're going to take one more quick break for a 289 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So, 290 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: by the Middle Ages, humoral theory was just intensely codified. 291 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: If folks that were working with it had had like 292 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Excel spreadsheets, I think they've been so jazzed because because 293 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: like a good doctor wouldn't just evaluate your your ailment, 294 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that also taken to consideration your your temperament, including your age, sex, lineage, horoscope, 295 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: and living conditions like is your house by a river 296 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: that makes you wetter? WHOA, yeah, I mean that makes sense. Sure, 297 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: I mean clearly obviously. Um you know. Plus they're going 298 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: to take into consideration the season, the weather, and the 299 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: current astrological conditions. Each organ in the body was furthermore 300 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: thought to have its own temperament, like the brain was 301 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: cold and moist, the heart hot and sort of dry 302 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: mid mid dry. Uh. And there were just all of 303 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: these charts and matrices of foods and their humoral properties 304 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: under different conditions and how they could be used as treatments. 305 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: It really was a math problem. Yeah, this is prime 306 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: spreadsheet territory for sure, and like, okay, Mostly all of 307 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: this led to pretty solid preventative medical advice, like eating 308 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: a balanced diet, incorporating different foods when possible, keeping hydrated, 309 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: avoiding too much rich food, and not over indulging in 310 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: in any food or alcohol. Yeah, but some of it 311 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: was so ridiculous. Let's say a surgeon had two people 312 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: come in with nearly identical wounds on their arms. If 313 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: one patient, I'm not sure how they got them, but 314 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: let's say that this happens, okay, Or if one patient 315 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: was sanguine and the other was melancholic, the recommendation was 316 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: not only to give the patients different advice about recovery, 317 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: like like, sanguine guy, trick to diet and blood letting 318 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: to reduce your bloodiness and to keep your temperature down. 319 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: Melancholic guy, you eat hot foods like meat and wine 320 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: to increase your blood and keep your temperature up. They 321 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: would actually dress the wounds differently, What's based on how 322 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: moist or dry they thought the skin was going to 323 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: be based on the person's temperament, okay, sure, Or for 324 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: another example, Uh, let's say you're having a problem with 325 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: your guests or intestinal tract to you, like, maybe you're 326 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: just really gassy. That's an overbalance of phlegm, of course, 327 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: all right. Phlegm is the cold and wet humor. Remember, 328 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: so whatever you do if you're gassy, don't eat fish 329 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: because that's also cold and wet, and it will make 330 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: you worse. It makes so much sense in a nonsensical way. 331 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: This fish is cold and wet. I need none of that, 332 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: None of that will only make my gas problem worse. However, 333 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not all ridiculous, like okay. The advice 334 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: for treating a gassy condition wasn't just to avoid fish. 335 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: It was to balance your humors back out by eating 336 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: foods with a moderately warm, dry qualities like a like 337 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: dill or or rooster meat. And when you look at that, 338 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: like dill relieves gas in your in your guts um 339 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: or it can, but and poultry, you know, is nutritious 340 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: and easy to digest, so if you're having digestive problems, 341 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: then that might be soothing. So some of the prescriptions 342 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: that came out of this were solid, huh. And what 343 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: I find really interesting about all of it is that, like, 344 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: no one is really sure weather physicians and scholars defined 345 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: certain foods and certain conditions is hot and cold and 346 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: wet and dry after observing practical effects in patients. Sure, 347 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Like like how much of hu moral theory was based 348 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: on empirical evidence and just written to sort of explain 349 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: away the bits that folks didn't have the technology to understand. 350 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: And but how many of those definitions were just based 351 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: on whatever the prevailing like poetical or superstitious ideas were 352 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: at the time. No one knows. That's fascinating. Mysteries of history. 353 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: Mysteries of history, Well, yeah, that's very This was a 354 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: very fun one to go into blind. I will say that, 355 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: uh I was reading it. The look on my face 356 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: was pure shock. I could really keep reading about it. 357 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: I am oh, and I wanted I wanted to give 358 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: a shout out to a a book, but be Ben 359 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Bollan for giving me the book. Are our colleague, Ben 360 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: bollen Um of stuff that they don't want you to 361 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: know and ridiculous history. For example, Um does kind of 362 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: like a Hobbit birthday sort of thing where he tends 363 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: to give other people gifts on his of the day 364 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: and frequently for for me anyway, their their their books 365 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: and um and he gave me this one a few 366 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: years back, called Medicine and Society in Later Medieval England 367 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: by one Carol Rawcliff, which is a great name. Um 368 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: and and yeah it's all. It's great. A lot of 369 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: my specific examples were from that. So thanks to both 370 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah yeah, um we Laura and I kept 371 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: I kept having a little mini giggling fits going through 372 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: this one. I'm very immature and it was very sexual 373 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: for me, just the terminology. Um. Just it's been fun, 374 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: fun has been had doing research on this, and I 375 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: hope it made sense because honestly, I feel like we 376 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: need to post a chart somewhere. Oh yeah, oh yeah, 377 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: we could do that. Yeah, let's let's do some some 378 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: chart posting, charting, spreadsheeting. I don't need to know. We 379 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: don't need to go down that rabbit hole. No, no, 380 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: but yeah that's that's humors and it brings us to 381 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: listener man. All right, yeah, thanks for humoring us. It 382 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: had to be done, It had to. Mark wrote as 383 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: a sonnet, what all right? What is it? Asked? These 384 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: delightful etymologists, dogged researchers, champions of bacteria poop decidedly not 385 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: your typical hipster apologist sharing social memes from their porch stoops. 386 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Long time listeners recall their first podcast promotion, Lauren popping 387 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: her teas, while Annie titters food stuff has shared so 388 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: much since that commotion, Cocktail Hours, fictional Foods, and yest 389 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: a few first season jitters, you furiously took on the 390 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: GMO opponents, and while we await your take on organic, 391 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday are the week's best components. Well, Josh, 392 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: Chuck and Jonathan to panic. That's right, they are panicking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 393 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: those food stuff, those mean food stuff ladies coming after 394 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: them and be like half some of our bourbon. They 395 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: run return tail and run. We are the worst, like 396 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: that we are. You've got to try this. If you 397 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: don't want to try this, I think for fun. Yeah, 398 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: my brain was like, mm, thank thank you for a sonnet. 399 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah this is not a sonnet, but equally cool. Alexandrew wrote, 400 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: I was incredibly lucky to discover your podcast when it 401 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: first came out and have been listening to each episode 402 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: with a dorky grin on my face during my New 403 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: York City sardine commute so thanks for making it more bearable. 404 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: You're welcome. While I often want to write in about 405 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: episodes that I enjoy it e g. The bagel episode, 406 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm with Lauren on this one, thank you. The episode 407 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: on three meals a day really spoke to me for 408 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: a unique reason. I'm recovering from an eating disorder. Anyone 409 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: who's gone through or is still going through one, will 410 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: tell you that your relationship with food, something you probably 411 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: once loved, will forever change, and even after you heal, 412 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: you'll most likely always have to be conscious of your eating, 413 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: and we'll have to use certain skills to do this. 414 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: One of these skills I learned while working with nutritionists 415 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: is to listen to my body and to be aware 416 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: of what I need, essentially to eat when I'm hungry 417 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: and to stop when I'm full. It may sound simple 418 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: to some, but for me that took years. I found 419 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: that only eating when I was supposed to made me 420 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: so hungry that I'd end up eating too much before 421 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: my safety kicked in. Eating three times a day makes 422 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: sense because of the typical nine to five you're just 423 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: eating when you have the time, not when you really 424 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: need to, and when you wait so long a lot 425 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: of things change in your body, like blood sugar levels 426 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and metabolism, which, to put it bluntly, f s you 427 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: up now. I eat about four to five small meals 428 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: a day That usually means something around six thirty when 429 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: I wake up again at ten thirty, then another meal 430 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: at two thirty and so on. And while this may 431 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: not be the right thing for everyone, it certainly is 432 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: for me. I eat to give myself energy, to be 433 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: alert and to be healthy and happy. I hope that 434 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: if this letter makes it to listeners, it may help 435 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: someone else out there struggling to understand their relationship with food. 436 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for for writing in 437 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: about that. It's as much as we get to talk 438 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: about so many fun things about food, it is, I mean, 439 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: eating disorders are are a huge part of society unfortunately, 440 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: and especially as we all work through body image and 441 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: then that whole mess. Um. Yeah, it's it's it's a 442 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: it's a struggle for a lot of people, and so yeah, 443 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: it's I'm so glad to hear h Alexandra that you 444 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: are personally doing better, and I hope that, yeah, yeah, 445 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: I hope that y'all are taking care of yourselves. Yes, um, 446 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: and we're definitely going to touch on this, probably multiple episodes, 447 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: but certainly we're going to devote at least one to 448 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: eating disorders. Oh goodness, yeah yeah, um yeah. I think 449 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: it's something that both Annie and I have struggled with 450 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: at various times in the past, and so it's it's 451 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: not only like, of course, something that's important, but it's 452 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: also personal to us exactly, and it's one of those 453 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: things that, Um, we're so passionate about food and we 454 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: want everyone who listens to have that healthy and happy relationship. 455 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: We want everyone to have it, but especially listeners because 456 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully we can all 457 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: we can get there together. If you're struggling, Um, there 458 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: are resources out there, and we're yeah, absolutely we're gonna 459 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: come back to Yes. Thank you. Thanks to both of 460 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: them for writing in. If you would like to write in, 461 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: you can our emails food Stuff at how stuff works 462 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: dot com. We're also on social media. You can find 463 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: us on Facebook and Twitter at food stuff HSW and 464 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram at food stuff. We hope to hear from you. 465 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, as always to our super producer Dylan Fagan, 466 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: who is not currently eating Cheetos with chopsticks. But it's 467 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: something that he does that brings delight to the entire 468 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: office and keeps his fingers clean. It's it's very wise, 469 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: as is Dylan, as is Dylan. Thanks to you for listening, 470 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: and we hope that lots more good things are coming 471 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: your way.