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Speaker 4: A little over three weeks left before the NFL Draft

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Speaker 4: this year, guys, we've been talking about all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Today we're gonna be focusing on the front seven. Evan's

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Speaker 4: got a film breakdown, we got another mock draft from

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Speaker 4: Matisse and Chris, and here we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 4: the latest news. So over the last week, guys, we've

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Speaker 4: had some breaking news, some different things happening. The Patriots

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Speaker 4: signed Stefon Diggs, they released Jawan Bentley, and a little

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Speaker 4: bit of news coming out of the owner's meetings where

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Speaker 4: I was down in Palm Beach, Florida. But I want

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Speaker 4: to start with Stefan Diggs, huge news. We talk all

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Speaker 4: the time about wide receiver being in need, Paul, It's

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Speaker 4: just it's been hanging over this team for a while now.

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Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs definitely feels the need, it feels like, but

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Speaker 4: he's coming off an injury. He's a little bit older,

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Speaker 4: not quite sure he's that guy, but he certainly makes

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Speaker 4: an impact. How do you think it impacts the Patriots

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Speaker 4: view of the draft and the wide receivers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know specifically about the draft, but it

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Speaker 5: is certainly a move that they needed to make, and

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Speaker 5: we all saw the gaping hole at the position. And

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Speaker 5: you know, Evan and I were here last week when

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Speaker 5: when Steph came in, and I think we were all

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Speaker 5: sort of impressed, just you know, the ease with which

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Speaker 5: he goes about his business. Great personality, oozes personality from

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Speaker 5: that podium when he spoke to us at his press conference.

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Speaker 5: I think we had, you know, some good stuff with

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Speaker 5: him behind the scenes and sort of getting acclimated to

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Speaker 5: New England. But I think specifically on the field, Mike,

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Speaker 5: they don't have, in my opinion, a one or a

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Speaker 5: two without Stefan Diggs. So you bring him in, you

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Speaker 5: sort of roll the dice a little bit about the health,

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Speaker 5: and that's certainly a big concern, But I think the

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Speaker 5: numbers are right. I don't think that they're necessarily boxed

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Speaker 5: work out. I think it makes a lot of sense,

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Speaker 5: and I think the wide receiver room is better today

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Speaker 4: Evan Paul talks about the wide receiver room. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: how Stefan Diggs kind of fits in. If you were

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Speaker 4: to look at the draft, though, how do you see

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Speaker 4: it's shaping up with the kind of player that maybe

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Speaker 4: they might take. I don't think any of us are

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Speaker 4: thinking Travis Hunter. Maybe he could of course fit in well,

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Speaker 4: But let's say we get down in the second third,

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Speaker 4: mid round, what kind of guy would you be looking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great question. Something that I've

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Speaker 3: is finding that complimentary outside receiver to Diggs. I think

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Speaker 3: Diggs is going to play more of that movable chess

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Speaker 3: who's the guy that can really play that exposition and

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Speaker 3: get down the field maybe a little bit. And this

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Speaker 3: in the same player in this draft class, there's not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm gonna turn the page tis for you.

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Speaker 4: Rumor coming out of the owner's meetings there that the

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the scuttle butt is out there,

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Speaker 4: but we all watched plenty of practices last summer with

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Speaker 4: as well. An impressive performance to be sure, But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, I'm not sure where all this talk

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Speaker 4: tise is coming from that you know, your first second round, Like,

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Speaker 4: But does it make sense for the Patriots to move

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Speaker 4: his realistic trade value right now. Does it make sense

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Speaker 4: with Drake May of course at the top of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it has to be a Day two pick. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: if he's that good, well you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: why would you move him if he's If he's that good.

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Speaker 2: watch Josh Dops for a full year, I'm sorry, I'd

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Speaker 5: I agree with Tease. I think this value in a

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Speaker 5: Joe Milton, you know, second year of a rookie deal,

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Speaker 5: I would hold on to him unless someone wants to

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Speaker 5: sure that he's worth that yet. But you know, this

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Speaker 4: You've said it before, you said, Joe Milton is just

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Speaker 4: an intriguing player, and you can see why he went

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Speaker 4: what do you kind of expect to see out of

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Speaker 3: I think that would be the only reason why I

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that exists. I'm just saying hypothetically, if

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Again, So that would be the only reason why I

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Speaker 3: put him into all that group, Like, where does Joe

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Speaker 3: the Patriots to hold on to him more as insurance

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Speaker 3: Or I think a top one hundred pick. I would

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Speaker 4: you see that impacting their draft needs? Paul, do you

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Speaker 5: Of your deal, you know, on the field, maybe you

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Speaker 5: And you know, we've talked a lot about the potential

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Speaker 5: his versions of Juwan Bentley. And I don't think anybody

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Speaker 5: the captain just elite, elite leadership, right, But I think

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Speaker 5: Mike Rabel might be looking to say, okay, those guys,

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Speaker 5: And I think he used the comment out with you guys.

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Speaker 5: You know, Captain's not like a four year term or anything.

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Speaker 5: It's every year, it changes. It's not like a contract

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Speaker 5: that you signed. So I think Mike is looking for

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre. Welcome back into the

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Speaker 3: I'm Evan Lazar.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys. We're back for a mock draft tracker

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Speaker 2: segment on the Patriot Draft Countdown podcasts resent by Bud

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Speaker 2: Light when he's bounding here at Chris Cassidy, guys, so

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Speaker 2: Field Yates ESPN. Let's get into it quick. Has the

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Speaker 2: which is a fourth round pick and the Patriots pick

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Speaker 2: up offensive tackle. Josh Connolly from Oregon thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean the idea Travis Hunter great, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Campbell is definitely that guy to take. I mean,

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Speaker 1: fell a little bit because it was excuse me, the

431
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Speaker 1: combine kind of fell down a little bit. Also, Josh

432
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: Simmons suffered in the injury.

433
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Speaker 2: Thanks falling down. We're talking about trading get one there.

434
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Speaker 1: He could be right, So you know, I think I

435
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 1: think those are important to talk about. But there's also

436
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 1: been a little bit of scuttle butt. Good word there

437
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: you go, but a little bit scull But Patriots taking

438
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Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean they have Hunter Henry getting older,

439
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper getting older, Tyler Warren if there's a trade

440
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: down scenario possibility. You know, he was awesome at Penn State,

441
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Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a dual threat tight end.

442
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Speaker 1: He could run the football, He's great, great pass catcher,

443
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: solid blocker, probably needs to work on a little bit more,

444
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: but overall just the best tight end this draft class.

445
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Speaker 1: So who knows, you know, anything could really happen in.

446
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Speaker 2: This So Chris, we like that, you know, the sexy

447
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 2: picks are up front, but you know, the work gets

448
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Speaker 2: done with the front seven and the edge. And that's

449
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Speaker 2: what you're going to with our next section where we

450
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Speaker 2: have a discussion on the front seven and the edge position.

451
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Speaker 2: So guys, let's get to that.

452
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Speaker 4: It's a big day here today as we're breaking down

453
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Speaker 4: the front seven. Y'all know me, I love me some

454
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Speaker 4: defensive football and this is the key position for me.

455
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Speaker 4: Patriots were really active during free agency, guys. I just

456
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 4: want to run down real quick. Some of the moves

457
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 4: that they made really kind of remade their defensive front seven.

458
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 4: I'd say Harold Landry, Clayn, Chase on on the on

459
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 4: the edges, Kairis Tonga Williams the big one.

460
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Speaker 2: Note Williams of course in the middle.

461
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Speaker 4: Signing Robert Splane, Jack Gibbons at the linebacker level. So

462
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Speaker 4: a number of signings, some uncertainty with Christian Barmore, and

463
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Speaker 4: I think we got to start with the edge position,

464
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Speaker 4: not only because Abdul Carter is up there and as

465
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Speaker 4: you know, probably one of the two best players in

466
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Speaker 4: this draft, but also I still think that that's in need.

467
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Speaker 4: Even with the veterans Chase On and Landry Paul, I

468
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Speaker 4: feel like we need a young third rotational guy in there,

469
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Speaker 4: and this seems like the perfect year to go try

470
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Speaker 4: to get one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: It's a stack class.

472
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Speaker 4: Now.

473
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Speaker 5: You always talk about yourself in terms of being the

474
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Speaker 5: defensive guy, and I always date myself by saying, this

475
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Speaker 5: is how.

476
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Speaker 2: Bill used to do it.

477
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Speaker 5: In the old days. They always had some veteran guys

478
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Speaker 5: and then they would find a way to get a

479
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 5: younger guy, younger talented guy to sort of apprentice underneath them.

480
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Speaker 5: That's why if you had an opportunity, it doesn't look

481
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Speaker 5: like it's gonna happen. But if you had an opportunity

482
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Speaker 5: to get Abdul Carter, that would be an absolute home run.

483
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Speaker 5: But there are still some other options here. And I know,

484
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 5: you know, Evan and Chris, you know were frothing at

485
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 5: the mouth with all these different names. I gravitate to

486
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Speaker 5: the Georgia guys. I love the idea of getting a

487
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Speaker 5: young edge guy to pair with Landry and Chase on

488
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Speaker 5: and sort of not necessarily be counted on to come in,

489
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Speaker 5: you know, sight unseen right away and be a double

490
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Speaker 5: digit sack guy. He can sort of learn and pick

491
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Speaker 5: his spots and be a part time player at first.

492
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Speaker 4: Evan lay it on me, abdul Carter, just just give

493
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Speaker 4: it to me. This guy he's special, He's electric, he's

494
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Speaker 4: instant pass rush. I don't know if he'll fall to

495
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Speaker 4: the Patriots, but if he did, it would make a

496
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Speaker 4: lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said he's electric. I mean he's a dynamic player.

498
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Speaker 3: When you turn on the film his play speed, He's

499
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Speaker 3: moving at a different pace a lot of the time

500
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Speaker 3: than other people on the field. His pass rush, I

501
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Speaker 3: would say, is mostly speed. You know he's gonna win

502
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Speaker 3: with ghost rush to handswipe, a little bit of a

503
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Speaker 3: dip rip, you know, things like that crossover move inside,

504
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Speaker 3: really good on stunts, really good on the interior of

505
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Speaker 3: the offensive line, which is what I really like about him.

506
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Speaker 3: If you want to stand him up over the guard

507
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: over the center and have him brush from a two

508
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: point stance from in line on third down, he can

509
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: do that. He can play a little bit off the ball,

510
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: did that early on in his career at Penn State

511
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: and spy quarterbacks if you want him to do that.

512
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 3: So it's pretty much anything that you want him to

513
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: do from a pass rush front seven standpoint, Abdul Carter

514
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: can do. And I think the two comparisons you hear

515
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: about the most with him or Von Miller at Michael Parsons.

516
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Speaker 3: You know, he tends to gravitate more towards the Von

517
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Speaker 3: Miller komp himself. That's what he said at the combine.

518
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Speaker 3: But number eleven at Penn State with the cutoff Jersey,

519
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: it's easy to see Michael Parsons there as well.

520
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Speaker 2: Big time Chris, what do you think?

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think atis and I've talked about

522
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Speaker 1: on previous podcasts like Abdull Carter is just so so

523
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Speaker 1: appealing and if he falls to that sort of spot

524
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Speaker 1: for the Patriots, like, I don't know how you pass

525
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: up on that. You know, you need a guy to

526
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Speaker 1: bolster that line, that defensive line, defensive front. You know,

527
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Speaker 1: they have the divisions of Landry and Chase On. They

528
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Speaker 1: have Keon Wydo to account play a edge role. They

529
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Speaker 1: have Afferny Jennings. But I think they really still need

530
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Speaker 1: that young talent to really bolster them. I think that's important.

531
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Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of other guys in

532
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Speaker 1: Day two and Day three as well who have a

533
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Speaker 1: lot of promise.

534
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Speaker 4: Well, let's get into it. I mean, we can't spend

535
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: as much time on everybody as we just did on

536
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Speaker 4: Abdul Carter. So I'm gonna fire a few guys. Paul,

537
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Speaker 4: you mentioned the Georgia guys and I've been talking about

538
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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna keep Mikel Williams in this group. I

539
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 4: might save Jalen Walker for the linebackers. That's just personal preference.

540
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: If you guys feel differently, please you know, discuss. But

541
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Speaker 4: Mikel Williams what's been appealing to me? And I know

542
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 4: he's kind of all.

543
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Speaker 2: Over the place, but just twenty years.

544
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Speaker 4: Old, he's got all the tools. He's still raw. It's

545
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: more of a projection. But to me he seems like

546
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Speaker 4: maybe not quite the electric, stand up kind of guy

547
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 4: off the edge Abdul Carter was, but he's a legit

548
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Speaker 4: hand down. If you want to stand him up a

549
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: little bit, you can. I keep using the William McGinnis

550
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: comp just a versatile guy you can stick on the

551
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 4: edge and he could probably do anything. He's a favorite

552
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Speaker 4: of mine. Nick Gorton's another favorite of mine, and Shamar Stewart.

553
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Speaker 4: I just throw those those three guys at you right now.

554
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: I know there are a couple others, Mike Green being one,

555
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 4: but those are three guys that all kind of stand

556
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: out to me. Play hard, play with an excellent effort,

557
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 4: and I think that you know, and certainly Stuart and

558
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 4: s Gorton are really good testers as well.

559
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think there's a difference between a four

560
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 5: to three end and an edge guts we're to figure

561
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Speaker 5: And I think that's where you you know, what you

562
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 5: were talking about. I think, you know, I think s Gorton,

563
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Speaker 5: I think is more of a four to three end

564
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: than say, like Jalen Walker, who is if he's going

565
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: to play on the line, it's going to be strictly

566
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Speaker 5: as a stand up edge guy. So I agree with you,

567
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: those aren't necessarily the same. I like a lot of

568
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Speaker 5: the names you threw out there.

569
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Speaker 2: Ef.

570
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you go because I know that you

571
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Speaker 5: break down these guys in a lot more detail than

572
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Speaker 5: than I do. So yeah, I'm not going to waste

573
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Speaker 5: anybody's time.

574
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Speaker 3: I would just say with Mikel Williams, you're really projecting

575
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Speaker 3: him into a larger pass rushing role than what he

576
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Speaker 3: did at Georgia. I think the thing that's appealing with

577
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Speaker 3: him though at Georgia is that he did a lot

578
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Speaker 3: of the dirty work on that defensive line. You see

579
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Speaker 3: him take on blocks, slipping the gaps, you know, push

580
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: runners out, you know, make them bounce runs out the edge.

581
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: Like He'll do a lot of that kind of stuff

582
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: that isn't going to show up in the box score,

583
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: you know, playing that four eye shade inside the tackle.

584
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: But if you move him outside the tackle, does he

585
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: have more pass rush production? And he has flashes of that,

586
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: especially in that game against Texas and Calvin Banks, where

587
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: he can do those types of things. I think once

588
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: you get down that line, know, after the Mikel Williams

589
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: and the Shamar Stewarts, you start to get into this

590
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: just really good deep class of edge rushers that is

591
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: basically just goes all the way till rounds. I would

592
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Speaker 3: say five and six. I have twelve guys in the

593
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Speaker 3: first two rounds right now at the edge position, So

594
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Speaker 3: I think we can go rapid fire at some point here.

595
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Speaker 3: But I'll let Chris give.

596
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you hit it. I mean this class

597
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: is so deep at the EDG Rudger position and one

598
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: of them James Spears Junior at Tennessee. He relies heavily

599
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Speaker 1: on his speed.

600
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Speaker 2: But boise fast.

601
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, gets off that edge real quick. Another guy, Mike Green,

602
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Speaker 1: I mean he's had a really great standout performance at

603
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl on mobile, which great to see a

604
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: lot of power, a lot of strength.

605
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: You know.

606
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Another guy spent four years at Florida, just spent this

607
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: past year ole Miss Princely Uma, melan Um and melan

608
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Another guy, Uh, he had a really solid four years

609
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: at Florida, but really stuck out this year. I don't

610
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: miss so I really like him.

611
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Speaker 5: For him, you we'll have a special guest spot on.

612
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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly And uh, my last guy is JTW.

613
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Speaker 2: You're blasting that out.

614
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can figure it out from last episode.

615
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 5: Better stick with the easier names.

616
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Speaker 1: No, that's all right, that's all right.

617
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: But you know j T.

618
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Speaker 1: Another guy just really had a great season this year,

619
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Speaker 1: twelve and a half sacks at Ohio State. Uh yeah,

620
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: just won a national championship. And you know it's been

621
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: in mentality, So he's.

622
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Speaker 4: Another one, maybe more of the fourth three and two

623
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Speaker 4: other fourth three ends I'd mentioned. It's just Davian Jones, uh,

624
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Speaker 4: you know, top four three N and Jack Sawyer os

625
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: U guy, I mean Ohio State. You know, my my

626
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: brabele might gravitate towards those guys. Give me a few

627
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: rapid fire edges before we move on to.

628
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: The Yeah, the Ohio State guys are definitely worth talking about,

629
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: just because of the Rabel connection there, and Jack Sawyer

630
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: just screams rable to me. Just the intangibles and the

631
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: leadership and the big plays in big moments down the

632
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: stretch there for the Buckeyes. I do think we should

633
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: mention Donovan Azaraku from BC just because he's a local

634
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: kid and I think he's gonna probably go top twenty,

635
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: top twenty five, So maybe outside of the Patriots range,

636
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: but just a twitched up rusher, really good three cone time,

637
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: really good change of direction, ability, speed rusher off the edge.

638
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: Just a couple other guys. Landon Jackson from Arkansas I

639
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: think is another one of those Jack Sawyer types, right,

640
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: that's gonna probably put his hand in the dirt most

641
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: of the time, and then we start to get into

642
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: like late Day two, early day three. Kyle Canard from

643
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: South Carolina, another long, powerful edge rusher, had some really

644
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: good tape against Will Campbell this past year. Olu Oladejo

645
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: from UCLA really great Senior Bowl week, high motor, aggressive,

646
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: angry player, just runs hot all throughout the week there

647
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: in mobile and I think those are going to be

648
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: the effort and finished guys. That variable's probably going to

649
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: gravitate towards. And then the last one here, the local

650
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: guy for you, apolog Jasiah Stewart from Michigan played at

651
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: every high you know, the Paul Perrillo established.

652
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: I'll telly you he might be the last one in

653
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: the pipeline too. You know, we've lost the coach. I

654
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: don't know how many more pros we're going to be

655
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: churning out. But yeah, he's one.

656
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 3: So he's he's a little undersized, but he's a screamer

657
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: off the edge, and his tam against USC was phenomenal.

658
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: I think he had eleven pressures in that game against USC.

659
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: So he's got a real pass rush juice. He's probably

660
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: gonna be a situational rusher play on third downs things

661
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: like that. You know, josh U j type of role,

662
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: but he's a really good pass rusher.

663
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that to me is appealing because I think that's

664
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: something they need to address. A couple older guys at

665
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: defensive end. Get some young legs in there so as

666
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: we get down into the later rounds. For me, edge guys,

667
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: I want pass rush, I want to beat. I like

668
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: these big, powerful guys, but I think those are more

669
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: flyers and you kind of have those guys already. All right,

670
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: let's move onto the defensive line. Of course, Milton Williams

671
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: a huge piece of the Patriots offseason. Little uncertainty still

672
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: with Christian Barmore. They signed Tonga as well. Seems like

673
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: they're in the remake process on the interior of this

674
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: offensive defensive line. I would say I would classify this

675
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: as maybe a flyer need you know, Paul, like, these

676
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: big guys are usually available. You can get you know,

677
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: get some insurance for Tonga, maybe get a developmental defensive

678
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: tackle guy. Of course, Mason Graham, Derek Harmon, and Walter

679
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: Nolan kind of the big three, and we've talked a

680
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: lot about Mason Graham. To me, he's kind of off

681
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: the board now, just with the redundancy with Milton Williams

682
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: and Christian Carmon.

683
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what it would seem to me. I'm

684
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: gonna hesitate to take him off the board only because

685
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 5: of their insistence on using terms like we're going to

686
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: take the best player available. And if you have made

687
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: that argument, you could make an argument for Mason Graham

688
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: being the best player, presuming that Carter an unhunter or

689
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 5: off the board. I would agree with you. I think this.

690
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: You know, him and Milton Williams are very similar body

691
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: types and play styles, you know, so I don't know

692
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: if you need two of those. But you know, when

693
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: has anyone ever said, you know what, you know what

694
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: the problem is? We have too much talent here, no one,

695
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: No one's ever said that he's a good player.

696
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

697
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: Derek Harmon two a favorite of mine. Evan like just

698
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: a guy that could probably move around a bunch like

699
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: Derek Harmono. Tough player, tough player, probably going to go

700
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: in the donut as I like to call it, in

701
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: between where the Patriots are going to pick somewhere probably

702
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: in the top ten and those early teens. That seems

703
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: a perfect spot for him.

704
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's one of those guys too, along with Kenneth

705
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Grant that I feel like would be good fits, but

706
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: are probably going to be in the donut. That's a

707
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: good one, a good term for both of those guys.

708
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: I think both those guys can play a little bit

709
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: closer to the ball, maybe at the nose tackle position

710
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: or the one technique shaded into the A gap, And

711
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: that's the one thing I would look at with these

712
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: defensive lineman potentially, is somebody that can do that, because

713
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: I think they're going to have enough pass rushers on

714
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: the interior between Milton Williams, Kean White and hopefully Christian Barmore,

715
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: They're gonna have enough juice there at the three technique

716
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: or you know, those pass rushing spots on the defensive line.

717
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 3: The real question is is who's going to play the

718
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: nose and I think Tonga is probably the short term

719
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 3: answer there. But can they get one of these guys,

720
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: you know, even further down the board, like a CJ.

721
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: West or Jordan Phillips from Maryland that can also do

722
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: that type of thing and just eat space in the

723
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: middle of the defense. I would look at maybe that,

724
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: maybe more so than you know Darius Alexander from Toledo,

725
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: who's a great three technique pass rusher but probably redundant

726
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: to what you have already on the roster.

727
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's really interesting because I feel like

728
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: a lot of this falls on the status of Christian Barmore.

729
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's such a question mark and obviously you

730
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: have to fill these holes when you can, but it's

731
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: so hard to tell when you want to fill them

732
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: because you one hundred percent don't know what Christian Barmore

733
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: is up to. So he's such a like massive piece

734
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, So who knows. But another guy

735
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: that you guys haven't mentioned, I like Al Collins from Texas.

736
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: You know, big, big fella, just kind of a run

737
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: stuff for your prototypical Devon Godshow esque kind of build

738
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: on the interior. I really like him, possible Day two guy.

739
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: So i'd say, O, don't the guys you've already touched

740
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: on as my kind of other one that I want

741
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: to mention.

742
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, just two other ones I'd throw in their ty

743
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: Robinson from Nebraska, Tight Hamilton from Ohio States. It's another

744
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: couple tough, big guys inside kind of have that verbel

745
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: playing style. All right, let's move on, guys, just to

746
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: the linebacker group, and again a position in transition maybe

747
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: a little bit Robert Splaine, Jack Gibbons in we're here

748
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: about Jawan Bentley losing some weight to maybe fill the

749
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: need that they have for this kind of scheme that

750
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: they want to run.

751
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a huge need at least on.

752
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: The interior, but it does seem like, you know, again,

753
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 4: as we talked about the edge the defensive end, it

754
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: kind of gets a little murky. And a guy like

755
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: Jalen Walker from Georgia, it's easy to see him being

756
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: a movable chess piece.

757
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's exciting to watch.

758
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if that's if they want to play him

759
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: off the ball, and I know he plays some of

760
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 5: that at Georgia, And you know, I think of like

761
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 5: Nikobe Dean, you know, guys like that in the past.

762
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: You don't have to be two fifty two fifty five anymore.

763
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: That's the thing I like most about what I'm hearing.

764
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: I'll reserve judgment until I see it, But what I'm

765
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: hearing about how Mike Vrabel wants to sort of transform

766
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: to front seven. That's the thing that excites me the most.

767
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 5: Getting athletes like that in space and being able to

768
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: run sideline the sideline.

769
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, t U up for Jihat Campbell though. Yeah.

770
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Both those guys just with quickly. On Jalen Walker, Who's

771
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: just a fantastic football player. I mean he is extinctive, instinctive,

772
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: flies to the football, great athleticism, off the charts, versatility,

773
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: you can play basically all three linebacker spots. Play him

774
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: off the ball, interior pass rush, or on the edge.

775
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people like him best off

776
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: the edge, but he to me screams like a Dante

777
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: high Tower type of role where he's playing off the

778
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: ball on first and second down, and on third down

779
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: you put him on the line of scrimmage and let

780
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: him rush the passer. This is a guy that you know,

781
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: he gives those brave heart speeches right like he's gonna

782
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: go up and down the sideline and bark at guys

783
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: and get guys going. He did that a couple of

784
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: times last year at Georgia. He's a leader of men.

785
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: He is a true captain. I can't say enough good

786
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: things about Jalen Walker. I just think, you know, for

787
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: the Patriots, it's just a matter of of investment on defense, Like,

788
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: are we hammering the defense a little bit too much?

789
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: A neglecting offense. Once you get away from Carter and Hunter,

790
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: now you're talking about Jalen Walker being in the same

791
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: kind of tier as like Will Campbell and Tech McMillan

792
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: and Tyler Warren and Ashton Genty and is it worth

793
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: it at that point to go defense again? But he's

794
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: a phenomenal player. Jihad Campbell is another one that I

795
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: was surprised early on the media is kind of late

796
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: to him. I felt like he is another one of

797
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: those prototypical linebackers. I think there's a lot of Jamie

798
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: Collins to his game, a ton of athleticism, can play

799
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: both roles, Like I said with Jalen Walker as well,

800
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: has some really good reps chasing down mobile quarterbacks to

801
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: from the second level the defense, can cover, can run

802
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: the seam, can cover guys down the field on vertical routes.

803
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: He's a really good football player too, probably one of

804
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: the first round pick in this class.

805
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, John Campbell's going to find the ball,

806
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. One hundred and nineteen tackles

807
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: this year. That's crazy.

808
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

809
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, Chris Paul Junior at Ole, Miss

810
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: another guy kind of similar to Gid Campbell, a little

811
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: bit different, more on the internal part of the linebacker position,

812
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: of the middle linebacker role, kind of stopping the run.

813
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: More more of a run stopper there. And I mean

814
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I like Kobe King out of Penn State too. I mean,

815
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: he sure's a lot of a lot of guess stuff

816
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: as well. For me, I like Shamar James out of Florida,

817
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: also more of an interior front seven guy, kind of

818
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: more of a run stopper there. And Cody Lindenberg of Minnesota.

819
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 4: Good names got. It's just a few more to throw

820
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: at you guys before we wrap this up. But Dimetrius

821
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: Knight Junior was one guy that stood out to me.

822
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: Ran really well at the combine. We're in a four

823
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: or five eight. Didn't know if he was gonna do that,

824
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: but a bigger guy. He's got kids and married already.

825
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: He's like one of those guys that comes out like

826
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: he's already a full grown man, knows what he's doing.

827
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a huge need, but I

828
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: like the player. I know.

829
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Bossa too from Oregon is a you know, a

830
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: leader guy in the middle, and last one, I just

831
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: think really interesting player. Carsion Sweats questions are from UCLA.

832
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: Who's a special teamer? Comes on and has you know,

833
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 4: ninety solo tackles, leads the league. You love tackles, Chris,

834
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: you know, the most tackles in FBS solo tackles. So,

835
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: you know, I just love that story.

836
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Intense guy.

837
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 4: I don't know if these guys really fit anybody out

838
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: of those group that send out to you.

839
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so questioner and Danny Stutsman from Oklahoma, I feel

840
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: like are in a similar category of like kind of

841
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: Robert Spelaney almost in a way where like you just

842
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: watch them play and they just run hot. You know,

843
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: they are constantly around the football, They're flying around the field.

844
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: They play with great effort, in great just hustle and

845
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: really max out the athletic gifts that they have with

846
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: instincts and hustle. So those two guys, I would say

847
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: are are verable type of guys just from that standpoint.

848
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Basa from Oregon, though, I think, is a really

849
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: interesting player. He started at safety at Oregon then moved

850
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: to linebacker. Probably the best coverage linebacker in this part

851
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: portion of the class, you know, Day three, early Day three,

852
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: late Day two type of portion. So if they're looking

853
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: for a true third down coverage linebacker, he has some

854
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: really high level reps covering guys down the field and

855
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: catching guys down the field in zone coverage. So those

856
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: are some of the names I would say, you know,

857
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 3: probably not really a need they're going to go for

858
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: in the top one hundred, but maybe one of those

859
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: guys were to slip into the fourth round.

860
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: All right, well that's gonna do it for this edition

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Speaker 4: of Patriots Draft Countdown, wrapping up the front seven. And

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Speaker 4: look this, it's already April, guys. The draft is fast approaching.

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Speaker 4: Stick with us a few more episodes to go here

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Speaker 4: Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light