Speaker 1: Today we have a very special guest, stand up legend
Speaker 1: actor writer played at Boston College.
Speaker 2: Tight End Folks, Massachusetts native. My name is Gary Goleman, Gary.
Speaker 1: Goldman, Gary Gorman. He's a gentleman, Gary Golvin, Gary Goleman.
Speaker 1: In studio, we're looking at the Squish the Fish game,
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty five AFC Championship between England Patriots and
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. The AFC Championship.
Speaker 2: Who ever would have believed in the early part of
Speaker 2: the season that the Patriots would be here.
Speaker 1: There's no way We're gonna be Miami, who were happy
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: We had not won a game in Miami in eighteen years,
Speaker 2: that's my entire lifetime.
Speaker 1: There was a feeling of momentum and death. Say so,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the chilse.
Speaker 2: I'm getting the chills that you remember that it was
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: on today's episode, we are talking the nineteen eighty five
Speaker 1: AFC Championship between the new England Patriots and those Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins with Gary Goleman. Good episode Patriots before Tom Brady Talk.
Speaker 1: The reason New england Ers are so funny, not just
Speaker 1: the os, not just the os other reasons.
Speaker 3: It's because they're miserable.
Speaker 1: They're happily miserable, Kyler. They they are happily miserable. Just
Speaker 1: like I am. I am one of you New England,
Speaker 1: you are one of me. We are together in harmony.
Speaker 1: And that's what we like to call the transition to
Speaker 1: the next segment of what we're talking about in this episode,
Speaker 1: the transition of Gary Goleman from football to comedy guy
Speaker 1: played at.
Speaker 2: BC flawless transition, BC, oh Eagles, Doug Fluteie BC, a
Speaker 2: lot of awesome BC talk, and then we wrap it
Speaker 2: up with taking in some of the foam and finally
Speaker 2: narrowing it down to naming the studio.
Speaker 4: We'll come to a consensus. A consensus may be met.
Speaker 1: Is it met or are we doing a poll? We yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a little bit everything a right, Let's see, man,
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Speaker 2: January twelfth, nineteen eighty six, Miami Orangepool Stadium, Miami, Florida.
Speaker 2: Don Shula and Dan Marino our game away from heading
Speaker 2: back to the Super Bowl, but the scrappy Road Warriors
Speaker 2: from New England that other plan this This is the
Speaker 2: Squish the Fish Game.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Games and Names presented by win Bet. Today
Speaker 1: we have a very special guest, Gary Goleman in studio,
Speaker 1: a stand up legend actor. Writer Avid Hooper played at
Speaker 1: Boston College, tight End Folks, tight End Folks, Massachusetts native
Speaker 1: and born on third base is on Max right now.
Speaker 1: His memoir Misfits Growing Up Awkward in the Eighties is out.
Speaker 1: Also check it out. Welcome to Games and Names, Gary,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm honored. I've been a fan of yours for a
Speaker 2: long time. I've been We were talking about this earlier
Speaker 2: in awe of your transition from kenn State University quarterback
Speaker 2: to a renowned receiver and a legendary man, because I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a pebd Massachusetts City so and a huge Patriots
Speaker 2: fan from it, and I can't wait to get into
Speaker 2: this from the time I was six or seven years
Speaker 2: old and the embarrassment of riches that you and your
Speaker 2: teammates brought to us that New England fans, as you know,
Speaker 2: will never appreciate because they're so spoiled. But we grew
Speaker 2: up with just We were happy to make the playoffs
Speaker 2: and it wasn't considered a failure if we didn't blow
Speaker 2: out the opposing team in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, you know, we had an unbelievable run. But
Speaker 1: with what you just said there, you started out as
Speaker 1: a fan at six years old, right, And I came
Speaker 1: to Boston in two thousand and nine. Patriots had three
Speaker 1: Super Bowls on their belt. Yeah, Celtics just won a championship,
Speaker 1: the Bruins were fighting. The Red Sox just did the
Speaker 1: whole Crazy Kittens Boodle thing in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: So the city was vibrant.
Speaker 2: Was sport. It was like sports. There's no fall, winter, spring.
Speaker 1: It's baseball season, football season, hockey season, or baseball season. Now,
Speaker 1: in those tiers when I got there, we were kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, we were flirting with the top of the
Speaker 1: city just because we were all so good and we
Speaker 1: had Tom Brady. Yes, in whatever year that was when
Speaker 1: you were six years old, we're going to be Patriots.
Speaker 1: In that era, I think they had to have been
Speaker 1: four because there's a big Socks town, big Celtics town,
Speaker 1: and then the cult following into the Bruins is always
Speaker 1: the Bruins.
Speaker 2: They were four, but because they were the only thing
Speaker 2: on on Sunday if they sold out, That's what I
Speaker 2: don't know if you ever knew about this, but if
Speaker 2: the Patriots didn't sell out, they would black out the
Speaker 2: game on television to sell tickets. That's where the NFL
Speaker 2: was at the time. So we would root because we
Speaker 2: couldn't afford to go to Foxborough and pay the pocket
Speaker 2: and go to the game. So we would pray that
Speaker 2: the people with money would go to the games so
Speaker 2: that we could watch it instead of listening to it,
Speaker 2: and that we would listen to it on the radio,
Speaker 2: which is not the same. And so in nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 2: I think it was whenever I started watching football, all
Speaker 2: anybody wanted to talk about was how the year before
Speaker 2: we almost beat the Raiders, but we got we got
Speaker 2: robbed and Stabler had gotten away with something. So that's
Speaker 2: what I grew up in, and that that we had. Well,
Speaker 2: you have to understand about Boston fans is that for
Speaker 2: most of our lives, other than the Celtics, we were
Speaker 2: living this thing where we were going to be heartbroken.
Speaker 2: It was just a matter of how it was almost
Speaker 2: It was very similar to growing up Jewish. Not our
Speaker 2: history was that something horrible was gonna happen, just not
Speaker 2: sure when and what it'll be Yeah, and that was
Speaker 2: the Yeah, that was the thing with the Red Sox
Speaker 2: and the Patriots that they would break your heart and
Speaker 2: you were you were taught at a very early age
Speaker 2: it don't go all in because they's it's Charlie Brown
Speaker 2: trying to kick the football. And then by the time
Speaker 2: you got there, everybody was so used to winning that
Speaker 2: it became I don't know, I hope you didn't listen
Speaker 2: to talk radio, but the most miserable Monday morning people,
Speaker 2: even if the Patriots would win, they didn't win by enough,
Speaker 2: and and they they had weakness is that they were
Speaker 2: going to talk about for hours on Monday man. And
Speaker 2: and so I I, at least over the years, have
Speaker 2: been so grateful for what the teams have brought me.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of the newcomers got spoiled. Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's it's it's a different beast
Speaker 1: now in that. I mean, that's title town, yes, and
Speaker 1: that's been built over thirty years and you've been a
Speaker 1: part of that town before it was title town.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you still had the Celtics that had
Speaker 2: the eight championships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had.
Speaker 2: Doug Flutie at Boston College who kept the hearts at
Speaker 2: about the time we're going to talk about today about
Speaker 2: the Miami Patriots game.
Speaker 1: But we we rallied around that.
Speaker 2: Boston College football team because they were they were winning
Speaker 2: in a way that the Red Sox and the and
Speaker 2: the the Patriots hadn't hadn't down. They went out and
Speaker 2: won a national championship that year, right, they won the
Speaker 2: Cotton Bowl. The Cotton they won the Cotton Bowl and
Speaker 2: the Miracle Miami Ericle Miami and and then so they
Speaker 2: were ranked third in the in the country, which was
Speaker 2: the one of the highest rankings in my lifetime. I
Speaker 2: think when they had Mattie Ice, I think they were
Speaker 2: ranked third at one point second.
Speaker 1: I was at that game.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, when matt Ryan lost his heisman.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's Kyler and his prominent beard.
Speaker 3: Earlier, whenever Virginia Tech talk comes up, I have to
Speaker 3: chime in, so continued.
Speaker 2: No, I got it, I got it, I understand. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, that that was that was my history with
Speaker 2: the sports and and yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's let's get into it today. We're looking at
Speaker 1: the Squish the Fish game, the nineteen eighty five AFC
Speaker 1: championship between the New England Patriots and the seventies Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Dan Marino Miami Dolphins. I know, I meem that only
Speaker 1: beat the eighty five Bears. Yeah that year, Yeah, Miami Dolphins. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So why we picked this game?
Speaker 2: Gary, Well, I think I live in the past to
Speaker 2: the greatest tent and uh, if you see my book,
Speaker 2: you'll you'll be confused, but also sort of amazed by
Speaker 2: my memory of my childhood, Like going back to my
Speaker 2: first day of kindergarten. I can remember the different lunch
Speaker 2: boxes that were used and the kids and things that
Speaker 2: were said. So the games as big as the eighty
Speaker 2: five and I think it took place in January of
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. I think it was the eighty five
Speaker 2: eighty six seasons. So the Patriots had had been promising
Speaker 2: every year they had they had good players. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing that I think a lot of people miss
Speaker 2: out on. If you if you have a winning team,
Speaker 2: is that you're in love with a team. But when
Speaker 2: you have a losing team, over the years, you fall
Speaker 2: in love with certain players and you and it's it's
Speaker 2: a very it's a very nice community. And I think
Speaker 2: the players appreciate that they're they're expected to do their
Speaker 2: best and that they're there for a long time and
Speaker 2: you love them. And so we were. We were in
Speaker 2: love with guys who had been on that team. There
Speaker 2: was one guy, Julius Adams, who had been on the team.
Speaker 2: It felt like my entire life. And and then Anthony
Speaker 2: Collins and and Andre Tippitt jew Yes, yes, I wish
Speaker 2: he had gone all I know. I wish he had
Speaker 2: gone all the way into the Hasidism because I think
Speaker 2: that would be a great look on him.
Speaker 1: He is a black belt.
Speaker 2: And we man did we love Tippett because if you
Speaker 2: don't have a whole team of superstars, you cling to
Speaker 2: these superstars like Andre Tippett who just was doing what
Speaker 2: he did on that team. And Steve Nelson was a
Speaker 2: very special player who had been there his entire career.
Speaker 1: So we just we just loved these guys. And who's
Speaker 1: the other quarterback?
Speaker 2: Was the quarterback in this game, and I think he
Speaker 2: had been a Heisman like finalist at I think Illinois.
Speaker 2: But he was a wonderful player and very charismatic. And
Speaker 2: Grogan had been with us his entire career and we
Speaker 2: adored him and he was very talented, but they could
Speaker 2: just never get over the hump and they had bad breaks.
Speaker 2: And so when they were making this run, they beat
Speaker 2: the Raiders, which was like this redemption because the Raiders
Speaker 2: had broken in our hearts and we hated the We
Speaker 2: hated the Raiders like we hated the Yankees. The Raiders.
Speaker 1: The Raiders were a good football They were amazing, Yes
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: They were amazing, and and it might have been a
Speaker 2: team with like Alzado and Matuzak. Maybe I'm not sure
Speaker 2: who the Raiders personnel was that year, but I do
Speaker 2: remember that the the the Miami Dolphins were a rival,
Speaker 2: sort of like the Yankees, but also the Raiders were
Speaker 2: everybody was the Yankees to us because we were constantly
Speaker 2: being upset by these teams, and we had not won
Speaker 2: a game in Miami in eighteen years. That's that's my
Speaker 2: entire lifetime. I had never seen them beat Miami in
Speaker 2: because I was fifteen when this when this whole thing
Speaker 2: happened and the other thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you felt.
Speaker 2: This way because you were playing and probably distracted by
Speaker 2: other things, but it was like an extra holiday. If
Speaker 2: the Patriots were were competitive back then, like everybody in
Speaker 2: the community would get so excited. There were parties and
Speaker 2: so it was like it was like another Christmas that
Speaker 2: year especially.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: We were kind of we were kind of like, all right,
Speaker 2: our Super Bowl was beating the Raiders. There's no way
Speaker 2: we're going to beat Miami. And then my word, and
Speaker 2: then and the only thing with the Squish the Fish
Speaker 2: is that there are New Englanders who are still confused
Speaker 2: by the dolphin not being a fish technically a mammal.
Speaker 2: And I think we could have a very interesting argument
Speaker 2: with a lot of older New England as to whether
Speaker 2: Squished the Fish was was an accurate portrayals of the
Speaker 2: of the dolphins taxonomy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me a Charlie from Summerville. Charlie
Speaker 1: and the cat's in.
Speaker 2: The car in Somerville knows that the dolphins have been like, Nah,
Speaker 2: does it swim in the ocean?
Speaker 1: A fish?
Speaker 2: It's a fish. It's a fish. Does it go good
Speaker 2: with rice and soy sauce? It's a fish, kid, it's
Speaker 2: a don't get the spotting up.
Speaker 1: So we have a segment. We'll get back into the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: but we have a segment we go back into time.
Speaker 2: January twelfth.
Speaker 1: I'm very good at this in eineteen eighty six, of course,
Speaker 1: because it's a stighty five season, but it's the playoffs,
Speaker 1: so that means it's January. And the number one movie
Speaker 1: was Out of Africa.
Speaker 2: Do you ever see it?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 2: Never saw it because it seemed too spot for me
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a Nazi Fazi movie and it's.
Speaker 2: Probably playing in Lexington and probably playing in Richie Rich Lexington.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know where that is. Lexington is a very
Speaker 2: affluent community and in the movie The Fighter, they go
Speaker 2: to a movie in Lexington because he doesn't want anybody
Speaker 2: from Lowell to see him. And his girlfriend says, why
Speaker 2: we going to Richie Rich Lexington to see a movie?
Speaker 2: And it was they were seeing Labelly pac which was
Speaker 2: a French subtitle movie. Anyhow, I'm giving too much information.
Speaker 2: Out of Africa I never saw because at fifteen I
Speaker 2: only saw movies that had like Ferris Bueller or Michael J.
Speaker 1: Fox. And at the Rocky four comes out in a
Speaker 1: couple of months in the Greatest, you know, the greatest
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's not the it Fazi Rocky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was a kid watched, Yeah, eighties, it's so watchable.
Speaker 2: But but here's the thing I think we're coming up on,
Speaker 2: like the well maybe it'll be fifty years and twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six of the most watched title fight of all
Speaker 2: time Creed versus Balboa one. Yeah, I mean that that
Speaker 2: was a great movie. Nobody gave Balboa a chance ever,
Speaker 2: and he took him. He took him fifteen rounds. He
Speaker 2: was a mob enforcer.
Speaker 1: I mean, was.
Speaker 2: A leg breaker for a second rate loan shot. Rock
Speaker 2: speed is what we need.
Speaker 1: Rock. What's your favorite Rocky movie? Rocky one, Rocky one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean I've definitely seen it over
Speaker 2: one hundred times, and I just I think every performance
Speaker 2: and every line in it is so good. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that. I I but Rocky five, I mean
Speaker 2: they're also Rocky five was the worst one. But I
Speaker 2: said that's the worst. I loved it too, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: Tony Morrison right, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But I was also younger, you know, like when you're a.
Speaker 2: Kid, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like you're not thinking
Speaker 2: about Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I remember first seeing Rocky Flourd.
Speaker 2: It was like America versus Russia Underdog, Like I literally
Speaker 2: that's literally inspired my my playoff Beard.
Speaker 1: Wow. It was when Rocky went to and he didn't
Speaker 1: want any distraction and he just had the Russian in
Speaker 1: the mirror.
Speaker 2: He just wanted to drag large, That's all he wanted.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of like where I started.
Speaker 1: That is awesome, man.
Speaker 2: And was there a movie that you would watch repeatedly
Speaker 2: during a season to psych yourself up or a.
Speaker 1: Or anything like that. There was in college? Okay, in
Speaker 1: college I would watch Rudy Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but here's my issue with Rudy.
Speaker 2: I always felt so sorry for the walk Ons that
Speaker 2: I was like, why are you getting your at least
Speaker 2: we're on scholarship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my dad made me come here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least we're getting a scholarship.
Speaker 2: You are doing this out of love of this game
Speaker 2: that is kicking your ass every day. I mean I
Speaker 2: admire Yeah, I admire it, but I I I often
Speaker 2: felt sorry for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was for me. I just I would get
Speaker 1: so fired. I don't know why. I was a great
Speaker 1: I love the soundtrack, Yes, that's awesome, and I love
Speaker 1: I love Favreau in it, yes yeah yeah, And then
Speaker 1: I I you know, the the grind part of him
Speaker 1: now for the team.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: No, it's incredibly it's incredibly inspiring.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: I get it completely. It comes out that the guy
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't anything like that. I talked to Montana over read.
Speaker 2: A part of it.
Speaker 1: It's like this Rudy movies, like Rudy Rocket, that's slap
Speaker 1: dig I'm like, oh that's ah.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I've never heard a
Speaker 2: good story about the actual Rudi.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, it was a great movie. Hollywood great, oh,
Speaker 2: Hollywood Disney right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The number one song was That's What Friends Are? Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a very that was a very lovely Diane
Speaker 1: and Friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of her friends was Elton John, Elton John,
Speaker 2: John Warwick, Elton John TV Wan TV wonder. That was so.
Speaker 1: That was kind of it was kind of like the
Speaker 1: we are the World ye, I think for for the
Speaker 1: HIV AIDS. I think maybe was this, but it was uh,
Speaker 1: we are the World's for AIDS.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was for for uh famine in in
Speaker 2: Africa in nineteen eighty four. And then this I think
Speaker 2: raised awareness and money for HIV AIDS research.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, you know that, and that's I see that.
Speaker 1: That shows are you know you're a generation before me.
Speaker 1: I'm an old man.
Speaker 2: It's a very nice way to say I'm an old
Speaker 2: but like for me, no, it is a generation before
Speaker 2: be the thing like ours would be like a TikTok.
Speaker 1: Trend or nine to eleven right, well, yeah, nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: Well that that would be like our JF like my challengation,
Speaker 1: whereas mine was John Lennon's John assassination.
Speaker 2: Yes, or like the challenge. I don't remember the challenge.
Speaker 2: I kind of was a challenge. I was in ninth grade.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, that was that was hard.
Speaker 3: You don't remember the challenge? The challenger happened before you
Speaker 3: were born. Oh what's the what's the other one that
Speaker 3: had the teachers that was challenging? Think in Colombia, Colombia,
Speaker 3: I think Columbia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't there another one?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think I've lost track of my shuttles. This is
Speaker 3: this is there one close by? This is by far
Speaker 3: our darkest. Let's go back segment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chernobyl meltdown my word. Well, they knew they were
Speaker 2: bringing on a depressive, so they covered the some dark
Speaker 2: times in the in the eighties. You know, karate Kid
Speaker 2: also came out during this work off. Edelman was born
Speaker 2: May twenty second, eighty six. You're a Taurus like my
Speaker 2: dad philgo Gemen. Oh, you're on the cosp Gemini gem
Speaker 2: two sided, guy, You're two sided. But but here the
Speaker 2: here's the thing, the side I'm getting today. Isn't it
Speaker 2: incredibly humble? Down to earth young man? You were raised
Speaker 2: well and had good coaches. Is that is that where
Speaker 2: you're gonna rely on You're a kind person? Tight ship.
Speaker 3: He's on the right level of microdosing right now.
Speaker 2: He hit it. He's got it today.
Speaker 1: Kyler, Well they started too. Oh wow, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I used to love You're getting a car. You're getting
Speaker 1: a car. Oh my gosh, it was. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: She was in the sports World nineteen eighty five eighty six.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma beats Joey Paz, Penn State and Orange Bowl for
Speaker 1: the national title.
Speaker 2: Are you college football guy?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And so clearly Boston College is your spot. I let yeah,
Speaker 2: I love boss in college. But I also remember watching
Speaker 2: that game and every year New Year's Day was a
Speaker 2: really special time to watch great to watch great college
Speaker 2: football and the thing is is that I don't follow
Speaker 2: the Heisman like I used to. But I can remember
Speaker 2: Bo Jackson winning the winning the Heisman, and then I think,
Speaker 2: I want to say, Barry Sanders wanted a year or
Speaker 2: two later or something like that at at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: But yeah, doc on him. It's so good, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: his dad, it's their best running back of all time.
Speaker 1: Jim Brown, me and they you, it's so funny. I
Speaker 1: just love I love Barry.
Speaker 2: I could watch highlights him and it's like he was
Speaker 2: our Gail Sayers right one hundred, I mean.
Speaker 1: Every kid and just to see talk about humble and yeah,
Speaker 1: a man that like took it to a whole other level.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be on the field for
Speaker 1: that two thousand yarder because I don't want the record.
Speaker 2: Right, And and like I was saying, fans in Detroit,
Speaker 2: I mean they they they've raised him to the level
Speaker 2: of a deity. I mean, they love him so much
Speaker 2: because that he was all they had for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he didn't switch teams. I mean, he's really a
Speaker 2: commendable guy.
Speaker 1: He really is. I mean, and you can see his
Speaker 1: relationship with his sons from that dock. He's just he's
Speaker 1: a good man.
Speaker 2: His dad was.
Speaker 1: It was a nut, but he was doing something right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know you look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus Allen was the NFL m VP because that
Speaker 2: that was Raiders Allen.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Raiders Allen. Yeah, high knees. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a stud. I remember a lot on the T. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played for a long time.
Speaker 2: Hes a winner two, Yeah he was Yeah at usc
Speaker 2: USC Yeah, they have the most, right with six or not.
Speaker 1: We just had linerd On he was dropping right Liner
Speaker 1: Liner the lefty. Yeah with Reggie Bush.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma's got seven Oklahoma, Wow, Kyler.
Speaker 2: In Ohio.
Speaker 1: In usc all right, Alo, they all have a lot.
Speaker 2: They're all very good.
Speaker 1: The Celtics lose four two to the Lakers in the
Speaker 1: eighty four finals. You remember this, I do.
Speaker 2: Remember that because we won the first game by thirty
Speaker 2: four points, I think, so it was they were already
Speaker 2: burying the Lakers and they were gonna have to break
Speaker 2: up the team. And then the Lakers won in six games,
Speaker 2: which it was very depressing. But the Celtics came back
Speaker 2: so strong in eighty six and put on the floor
Speaker 2: one of the greatest teams of all time. And I
Speaker 2: put them against up there with the with the last
Speaker 2: Dance Bowls and some of the Warriors teams. I mean
Speaker 2: they were, but the Lakers were incredible back then. And
Speaker 2: then the other thing that was very sad was was
Speaker 2: that the Bias then bias thing. So we won the
Speaker 2: NBA Championship, but then we had the draft. Took him
Speaker 2: second behind Brad Dougherty from UNC and he played at Maryland,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, this guy is just as good
Speaker 2: as and I'm not a person who exaggerates or hyperbole.
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is as strong athletically as
Speaker 2: as Michael Jordan. Will you have the drive? Who knows?
Speaker 2: But then we found out. I remember my friend Mike
Speaker 2: Murphy called me up. He said, Gary, did you hear
Speaker 2: that Len Bias side? And I said, that's not funny?
Speaker 1: How was it? How was that a funny joke?
Speaker 2: And so I think, now that I think about it,
Speaker 2: that's probably my JFK moment is finding out that Len
Speaker 2: Bias died from CNN, which was like this brand new
Speaker 2: news network at the time. And then yeah, and then
Speaker 2: the fall, so the so the Patriots losing the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and then the Fall the Red Sox lost to the
Speaker 2: Mets and Bill Buckner's era. That was just like I
Speaker 2: was literally crying, Like who cries over a ballgame? But
Speaker 2: I cried that the Red Sox lost it. It felt
Speaker 2: like like a death.
Speaker 1: I cried when the goddamn rally monkey came and beat
Speaker 1: my Giants. Really yeah, like three to two, right the.
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, Oh my gosh, Oh I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's crazy. How fandom really in community?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know the supporters as sports, I mean,
Speaker 2: it was much more prevalent in our days. Sure, I
Speaker 2: mean it's changed just because information and people have a
Speaker 2: lot of different you know, interest these days.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're and you can have different interests these days.
Speaker 1: He used to be just sports, No.
Speaker 2: But sometimes they're rooting for things such as the gambling outcomes,
Speaker 2: but also how their fantasy teams been doing, which which
Speaker 2: I played one year and the guys were so cutthroat
Speaker 2: that I vowed never to do it again. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I played with Kyler. We have a we
Speaker 2: have a Coast Productions fun team.
Speaker 1: And how you doing, Jeels, I'm middle of the pack.
Speaker 1: I'm six and six right now. I need to do
Speaker 1: a couple of trades. But I mean I'll go on
Speaker 1: and just putting content. I'll go on thinking I'm doing
Speaker 1: something smart, watching on a guy that you know might
Speaker 1: have a oh yeah game coming up. Yeah, like thirty
Speaker 1: guys got them waved already. They must have been on.
Speaker 1: Like these guys are putting serious hours into this thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that was the thing that they were
Speaker 1: putting way more hours. I got a I gotta go
Speaker 1: to the grocery. I have a life, goddamn it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler, you giggle, you're picking up all those
Speaker 1: good little running backs.
Speaker 2: Should I pull up the stands? No?
Speaker 1: Leave it there there. Well, let's set to the stage
Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins. Okay.
Speaker 3: So the nineteen eighty five Miami Dolphins, uh led by
Speaker 3: Hall of famers Don Shula Dan Marino, went to the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl year before right, yep again and lost to
Speaker 3: the feig nine Ers and then also Hall of famer
Speaker 3: Dwight Stevenson Center get some o line love. They were
Speaker 3: coming off a season in Super Bowl, right, they lost
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers. That was the year Dan Marino
Speaker 3: threw for forty eight touchdowns, so they were filing themselves.
Speaker 3: Dan Marino held out in training camp this year more money,
Speaker 3: and so the Dolphins had a bit of a slow
Speaker 3: start and then they kind of picked it up late
Speaker 3: in the season.
Speaker 2: They were out.
Speaker 3: They had seven straight wins, including a all time matchup
Speaker 3: against the eventual Super bowlchampions, the eighty five Bears on
Speaker 3: a Monday night game, which at the time was considered
Speaker 3: one of the greatest and most watched Monday night football
Speaker 3: games of all time.
Speaker 1: Surpassed by that Rams Chiefs Ones A couple.
Speaker 2: Of years ago. Everyone was like, I think, yes, that
Speaker 2: was some game. That was a crazy game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we played them on Sunday Night Football, like a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, I think, or some primetime game.
Speaker 1: It was forty to forty three.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, no, they put up I mean, but
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins at that time were a modern offense
Speaker 2: like what we see now, throwing so much and and
Speaker 2: whereas the Patriots were grinding it out and and that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the matchup in in that playoff game. This
Speaker 2: was like the era. But mock Mock Dupa and Mock
Speaker 2: Clayton would just they would make circus catches. And another
Speaker 2: game that I remember from my childhood. I wonder if
Speaker 2: you've ever seen highlights of this was the Chargers versus
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. It was Fouts, yes, Dan Fouts versus Dan Marino,
Speaker 2: and it was either overtime or last second play, and
Speaker 2: it was It was considered one of the one of
Speaker 2: the great games of all time. Like the final score
Speaker 2: was in the forties but maybe either a touchdown or
Speaker 2: field goal separating, and it was just it was really
Speaker 2: inspiring these guys. I remember Kellen Winslow being carried off
Speaker 2: the field with two guys. Like remember that old thing
Speaker 2: where there was no stretcher. You would just have your
Speaker 2: teammates kind of you would put your arms around them
Speaker 2: and they would kind of hobble you off the field.
Speaker 1: The guys had jobs in the off season too.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, it was like the Civil War
Speaker 2: where they would just put a splende and you would
Speaker 2: bite down on a stick while they while they chopped
Speaker 2: off your foot.
Speaker 1: Well, they'd obviously give you a shot of you know,
Speaker 1: gramozel cough medicine.
Speaker 2: That was your your number totally. They would get you
Speaker 2: drunk first and then yeah and then amputatee and then
Speaker 2: they would throw in some dirty ass alcohol into the yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and then you would go back out there with missing,
Speaker 2: missing a foot and an elbow.
Speaker 3: So that game was called the in Miami Chargers one
Speaker 3: forty one to thirty eight place January second, nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: two in the Orange Bowl, which our game is in. Also,
Speaker 3: it's a fun fact Dwite Stevenson was also in that
Speaker 3: team too.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, Kyla. You're a great producer here.
Speaker 3: This is you're missing Jack.
Speaker 2: You're missing Jack? Oh?
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I'm filling in.
Speaker 1: Oh killing in.
Speaker 2: Well we got to look at four three. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: very nice that Kyler gave a shout out to Jack. Well,
Speaker 2: what's what's your thoughts on the city of Miami. It's it's, uh,
Speaker 2: it's not my speed. I'm a I'm a I'm a
Speaker 2: stay at home guy, and so I don't really like
Speaker 2: to stay out late in the party scene. But I
Speaker 2: recognize that, I recognize the draw in terms of the
Speaker 2: the uh quality of the personnel in the in the
Speaker 2: clubs and the and.
Speaker 1: The bars and and quality. Yeah, there's some high quality there.
Speaker 2: And I understand that it's a very lucrative place to
Speaker 2: live for a professional athlete because you don't have to
Speaker 2: pay the state taxes. But I really I like the
Speaker 2: Northeastern cities to live in, although I lived in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles for six years and I loved it. Yeah, really
Speaker 2: really good people. They say everybody's yeah, they got everybody's phony.
Speaker 2: But if you find your group, you're finding some of
Speaker 2: the best of wherever they came from.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I believe that, yes, but I love That's
Speaker 1: what people always ask me, the difference between like East
Speaker 1: Coast in LA West Coast. I'm from the Bay Area,
Speaker 1: so it's completely different up there, but it's it's Yeah,
Speaker 1: people on the East Coast are meaner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what you're getting right, Yeah, So
Speaker 2: that exactly not a lot of bullshit. Yeah, there's no agenda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one wants to say hi because it's fucking
Speaker 1: three degrees outside.
Speaker 2: You got to shovel your goddamn car. They're more real.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm getting off of you. I
Speaker 2: and I only spent a small amount of time with him,
Speaker 2: but he was very similar to you. When he's a
Speaker 2: Bay guy, I shouldn't say he's a big guy. He's
Speaker 2: a California lifelong person, lived in LA but Bill Walton
Speaker 2: from the UCLA and I guess grew up in San Diego.
Speaker 1: But then then Bill Walton.
Speaker 2: And he just, I mean, has lived one of the
Speaker 2: all time legendary lives in terms of his the time
Speaker 2: of his existence and the people he intersected with. And
Speaker 2: he's just really like I remember telling him what an
Speaker 2: inspiration he was, and he was like, I had great
Speaker 2: coaches and great family and it sounds like you you
Speaker 2: always come off so humble, but you've lived one of
Speaker 2: the great lives so well. I mean, it's really nice.
Speaker 2: It's refreshing. I appreciate that. But I'm just telling you,
Speaker 2: you know, that's I believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And no one gets to anywhere by themselves, right,
Speaker 1: and there's always a support system of something or a
Speaker 1: group or a friend, a mentor coach. But it's nice
Speaker 1: for people to hear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's amazing. You brought up Bill Walton
Speaker 3: because I just mentioned Jack, who normally does this. He
Speaker 3: sets up these rundowns and he had Bill Walton in
Speaker 3: the sports and really because Bill Walton signed with the Celtics. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm going to cut it. I
Speaker 3: don't know about Bill Walton. We wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I love watching Bill Walton that like when it was
Speaker 2: concerts and ship. Yeah, he's always talking about Grateful Dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're you're in Boston, so you're getting a Pack
Speaker 1: ten game at like ten o'clock and you got Bill
Speaker 1: Walton talking about LSD and yeah about you know, the
Speaker 1: Packed twelve.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's more than color commentary. It's colorful. I honestly
Speaker 2: watched just for me.
Speaker 1: Too, me too. It's kind of like the the show
Speaker 1: on T n T was Shack Yes, Carl, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even watch basketball. I know, I watched the halftime.
Speaker 1: It's this weird sitcom. I love it. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley is is the funniest athlete I have I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. He's a great dude too.
Speaker 1: Oh really he's that's so nice to hear. That's really great.
Speaker 2: I've heard that. I've heard he's very he's very generous
Speaker 2: and the earth. Yeah, he's so funny.
Speaker 1: My word. He doesn't mean to be always funny though,
Speaker 1: Oh really, no, not always.
Speaker 2: Oh I just love him. What about these Pats?
Speaker 3: Okay, so the nineteen eighty five Patriots, they're kind of identity.
Speaker 3: There was a tough team. They were coached by Raymond Berry,
Speaker 3: which a fun fact about him is he was one
Speaker 3: of John Uniteds's favorite receivers back. He was playing Tom
Speaker 3: Cult legend and was a teammate with Don Shula for
Speaker 3: two years in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: As wow, I didn't that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So this is a great defense led by Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame and notable jew Andre Tippet. As we mentioned, they
Speaker 3: gave up only eighteen point one points per game and
Speaker 3: had twenty three interceptions. They were both a top ten
Speaker 3: defense and a both top ten offense as well. There
Speaker 3: was a bit of a quarterback controversy we talked about
Speaker 3: with Steve Grogan and Tony Eason.
Speaker 1: You can see that they're a tough football team when
Speaker 1: you're starting quarterbacks. Got under sixty percent completion percentage in
Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns in seventeen Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interceptions, yeah, I mean, but look at Craig James was
Speaker 2: oddly some you Yeah, and he was he was an carrier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he became a commentator for the college football
Speaker 2: and on ESPN for a long time and he was
Speaker 2: really yeah, really good. And Stanley Morgan, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: he was. Yeah, you would have loved him. He was
Speaker 2: the records Yeah, and and for a team that didn't
Speaker 2: throw very much, but if they threw, they were they
Speaker 2: were throwing him. We had some really nice Sadly, we
Speaker 2: lost a tight end named Russ Francis from that era
Speaker 2: who played for the Niners as well. But he was
Speaker 2: he was a man, a wonderful tight end back when
Speaker 2: they used to block a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know, I do Fox with with Rob
Speaker 1: Gronk and we'll sit and talk and I always pick
Speaker 1: his brain whenever because we'll watch all the games together
Speaker 1: and I have all the TVs. Yeah, sitting there, you
Speaker 1: got Howie Long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, gron what do you think about this kid?
Speaker 1: He's more of an H back. Go Gronk, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this guy? He's more of an H back.
Speaker 1: He really things that the true tight end position, there's
Speaker 1: only like two to five, two to three that are
Speaker 1: a traditional tight end that could sit up on the
Speaker 1: end of the line of scrimmage block of nine technique. Right, wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's not many guys that
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, a lot of these guys. It's become
Speaker 1: a pass catching position. Oh, it's an extra wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You get big total livers
Speaker 1: and then you're playing the personnel group game, and now
Speaker 1: they don't have to block the ends anymore. They can
Speaker 1: get up on you know, a smaller backer. Oh yeah, game,
Speaker 1: it's completely changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's so much faster it is. I can't
Speaker 2: get over it sometimes, Gary, How was how was your
Speaker 2: blocking when you put it awful? My blocking was My
Speaker 2: blocking was awful. My technique was was awful. I relied
Speaker 2: on being able to jump very high and I had
Speaker 2: good hands, but my my blocking, I could never do it.
Speaker 2: They used to call it a reach block. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that and that yeah, and that's a really that's a
Speaker 2: really hard block. And also when I was in high school,
Speaker 2: they didn't want you to use your hands. They wanted
Speaker 2: you to block with your shoulder, so that yes, the flippers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you would get called for a holy call. And
Speaker 2: then when I got to college that you were allowed
Speaker 2: to use your hands and get in there, and it
Speaker 2: was it was a very difficult adjustment. And then the
Speaker 2: other thing going from a high school to college was
Speaker 2: that you you had to In high school, they.
Speaker 1: Just threw the ball high you caught it.
Speaker 2: In college, it was like, well, if the if you
Speaker 2: have a rolled up corner, then you have to make
Speaker 2: this dission, this decision, And I was like a rolled
Speaker 2: up what now? I was It was really hard to
Speaker 2: keep up with it with the playbook and it wasn't
Speaker 2: as sophisticated as your playbook.
Speaker 1: No, but at every every level that you go up, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big jump. Yeah. I can remember, Yeah, going
Speaker 1: from high school to junior college and I was a
Speaker 1: jump just as athletes. Yeah, and you know you do
Speaker 1: well in junior college you go to everyone was the best.
Speaker 2: In their area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you go to that and it's like you
Speaker 1: have to learn a new language.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the idea that football players are any athlete
Speaker 2: are our meatheads is so false and insult thing because
Speaker 2: the level of intellect and the decision making, the quickness.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the kinetic genius that you guys have,
Speaker 2: but anybody I know they make fun of gronk, but
Speaker 2: anybody who can do these these reads is has it
Speaker 2: has an intelligence. Maybe not for chemistry and physics, no,
Speaker 2: but right, but for for the movement and also just
Speaker 2: the decision making quickness is really impressive.
Speaker 1: I played in the league for twelve years. I played
Speaker 1: with some meat heads. Really, they couldn't follow the the.
Speaker 2: There's there's like maybe one to three guys on a
Speaker 2: team that are just either so big, so fast, I
Speaker 2: see strong.
Speaker 1: I see physically. They were able to dominate and do that.
Speaker 1: They won't do it for a long time now, right,
Speaker 1: you know because people learn your moves when you get
Speaker 1: on film, yes, and people can prepare for it, yes,
Speaker 1: but you know they can sneak out. There's some meat
Speaker 1: heads that can sneak out a couple of years. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for thanks for nobody. Also I also
Speaker 1: say that too, Like, uh, I got a little disappointed
Speaker 1: in Meryl Streep because I was a huge Meryl Streep fan,
Speaker 1: still am. But when she went on the she won
Speaker 1: an award for Best Actress or something. It was like
Speaker 1: five years ago or something, and she goes she called
Speaker 1: out the athlete community, like where the arts were this?
Speaker 1: And I go, you know how artistic it is to
Speaker 1: be able to have this vision, to be able to
Speaker 1: set up a block, do a spin move that's like
Speaker 1: that's a person's art.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You know, like you said that kinetic art, yeah, movement, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see some of these guys run. Yes, they're big, strong, fast,
Speaker 1: but they have footwork like a ballerina.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a coincidence that Jerry Rice dominated Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars. Yeah, yeah, right right, because he's an artist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of There were a lot of
Speaker 2: players who who could have been equally impressive and dance
Speaker 2: or things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Emmit Smithton boll too. Yeah, Oh my gosh, it
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, won great feet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get offered every single year to be on
Speaker 3: that show.
Speaker 1: I'm not going on Dancing with the Stars. Good for you.
Speaker 1: If I got to go there, we got problems. I
Speaker 1: love Dancing with the Stars. I'm a big fan, but
Speaker 1: let me let me like doing this.
Speaker 2: No, you can do your you can use your brain
Speaker 2: in your mouth to do great things.
Speaker 1: And Meryl Streep, you know, are still a fan. But
Speaker 1: you know it hurt me.
Speaker 2: No, I get that. That is hurtful. And there's part
Speaker 2: of the country. I love UFC. In the NFL. Where
Speaker 2: are the arts artistic? It is narrow. She didn't have
Speaker 2: to she didn't have to take bring us down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So to wrap up this Patriots team, a little bit
Speaker 3: of quarterback controversy. Grogan was up and down his whole career.
Speaker 3: They drafted Tony Easton in a pretty incredible nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: three draft class for quarterbacks. John Lway, Jim Kelly, and
Speaker 3: Dan Marino was drafted actually after Tony Easton, so Eason
Speaker 3: won the job start of the year. I believe two
Speaker 3: and three separated his shoulder.
Speaker 1: Say those guys again real quick, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So the whole draft class, you know, just the three
Speaker 3: guys that were before him, John Elway at first overall,
Speaker 3: Jim Kelly at fourteen, who was after him. Dim Reno
Speaker 3: was after Tony. So Tony Gyson was drafted to fifteen.
Speaker 1: Little problem with his nose, if.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And wasn't the Bears quarterback
Speaker 2: in that draft class too.
Speaker 3: Also was Todd black Legs and Ken O'Brien. Where the
Speaker 3: other people drafted in the first round. I don't know
Speaker 3: about McMahon. I can come back on McMahon. So there's
Speaker 3: a little controversy with the quarterbacks. Easton goes down to
Speaker 3: the shoulder, Grogan comes in. They win six games in
Speaker 3: a row, and then Grogan breaks his leg and a
Speaker 3: lot overtime loss of the Jets and then Easton comes
Speaker 3: back in and then finishes out the season. Also would
Speaker 3: be remiss if we don't mention Hall of Fame Patriot
Speaker 3: legend John Hannah.
Speaker 1: This is dog Hannah from Alabama, Hannah from a BAM.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that was how desperate we were for
Speaker 2: superstars that we were in love with an offensive lineman guard.
Speaker 1: He was different though.
Speaker 2: That's tight though, Yeah, that's tight. I loved him. I
Speaker 2: love I always clicked with the line like I love
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins. Yeah, I love Logans. Yeah, of course, just
Speaker 2: the dude. I like Matt Light and Matt they were
Speaker 2: really good guys too. That the interesting wrestler. Yeah. The
Speaker 2: interesting thing with the offensive lineman, and I'm sure this
Speaker 2: is not unique to Boston College was how close they were.
Speaker 1: And and and they were real family.
Speaker 2: And because they're they're not getting all the all the
Speaker 2: notoriety and everything like that that but they're doing all
Speaker 2: the hardest work you got to win the game. And
Speaker 2: they never touch a football.
Speaker 1: No, they're the ultimate selfless team player. Yeah, don't say much.
Speaker 1: They all hang out by each other. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: their average life expectancy is like thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like professionals. They're like wrestlers, right, they're they're
Speaker 2: like professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: It's changed. It's changed because you see him. All these
Speaker 1: guys now, as soon as they're done, they shed sixty pounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, yes, you know, yeah, more a lot
Speaker 2: more information these days.
Speaker 1: No, it's true.
Speaker 2: You know. Back in the day, they yeah, keep it eating.
Speaker 3: So John Hannah said of this season, my goal was
Speaker 3: to play sixteen years. And during that season nineteenighty five
Speaker 3: eighty six, I had a torn calf muscle, two torn
Speaker 3: rotator cuffs, and they'd blown up knee. They repaired both
Speaker 3: shoulders at the same time. When I went to get
Speaker 3: my knee done, my cartilage looked like sand. My femur
Speaker 3: was wearing down. I was told by the doctor that
Speaker 3: if I had a job I could do outside of football,
Speaker 3: I should go do that.
Speaker 2: And that's what I did.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough. The shoulder, knee. Oh, surgeries, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky. Wow, twelve surgeries. It's like every off
Speaker 2: season it's like going into the get a pit stop.
Speaker 1: Man. When you know the radiologists and the nurses by name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey Mary, are you doing it right? Oh? Man? Did
Speaker 1: you give me a little extra scoop on that one?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? But I will say going, I have
Speaker 2: gone under and those when you're counting down.
Speaker 1: That's a man that feels good.
Speaker 2: Just go sleep. Sleep The best note tossing and turning
Speaker 2: just ten, I'm out, Michael Jackson and Prince is that?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 5: Was that too?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: RP Alright, Uh, let's set the stage of this game
Speaker 1: first we get to the game. What was the whole
Speaker 1: thoughts of the city of this team just tough team,
Speaker 1: everyone's proud of it?
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I mean it was like I said, it
Speaker 2: felt like a holiday. Yeah, like like we didn't get
Speaker 2: school off, but everybody was focusing on that and everybody
Speaker 2: was in a good mood the way. Do you remember
Speaker 2: like Wednesday before Thanksgiving at school, everybody's like even the
Speaker 2: teachers who don't like you are being kind and looking
Speaker 2: out for you. That's what it feels like in New England.
Speaker 2: Maybe get when the when the when the Pat's Red
Speaker 2: Sox Bruins or are going for a championship and we
Speaker 2: we we were not that hopeful that we could win
Speaker 2: in Miami, but there was a chance for a for
Speaker 2: a miracle. We had seen what flute he had done
Speaker 2: in Miami recently, and so we were, yeah, we were
Speaker 2: all about this. I think, yeah, there was there was
Speaker 2: maybe a destiny vibes and and sports radio was it
Speaker 2: was basically this guy called Eddie Andandlman in New England.
Speaker 2: He had a show in w hd H and it
Speaker 2: was it was Sunday night, so one night a week
Speaker 2: you would hear sports talk and then sometimes Sunday morning
Speaker 2: they were shows. So it wasn't a it wasn't a
Speaker 2: twenty four hour broadcast. There was one broadcast. And remember
Speaker 2: he had a he had a song parody about this
Speaker 2: team with all the players because some of the players
Speaker 2: names rhymed like lip It and Tippett although it was
Speaker 2: La pet but Andre Tippet, lip It and Tippet, and
Speaker 2: Blackman's a sackman. The d doesn't play, it attacks, the
Speaker 2: Dolphins will go down today to Raymond Berry's pats. That
Speaker 2: was the song. I can't bet I'm getting the chills
Speaker 2: that I.
Speaker 1: Remember those that you remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so we and we hadn't won in
Speaker 2: a while. The Red Sox hadn't made the playoffs since
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: So that's ten years.
Speaker 2: That's a lifetime nowadays, right if the Red Sox won
Speaker 2: ten years without even making the playoffs and then and
Speaker 2: the Patriots had beaten the Jets and then the Raiders,
Speaker 2: so there wasn't there was a feeling of momentum and destiny.
Speaker 2: But we never went in Miami. Eighteen consecutive years of
Speaker 2: losing in Miami.
Speaker 1: So that yeah, so we were ten years.
Speaker 2: We were not we were not convinced they would win.
Speaker 2: And then oh my word, it was the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: It was the Super Bowl to the Super Bowl, Yeah,
Speaker 1: super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So the lead up to this game we kind of
Speaker 3: touch on all of it. Patriots were wildcard team, kind
Speaker 3: of a road warrior, beat the Jets on the road,
Speaker 3: beat the number one Los Angeles Raiders on the road,
Speaker 3: and then eventually beat this Dolphins team on the road
Speaker 3: to go to the Super Bowl Dogs Road Dogs. And
Speaker 3: this was the first team to make it to the
Speaker 3: super Bowl from the wild Card and this is the
Speaker 3: first team to win all three road games to make
Speaker 3: it to the Super Bowl. And Gary mentioned too about
Speaker 3: this Orange Bowl Jinx. The Pats were oh to eighteen
Speaker 3: in the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they had never won there.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was eighteen years in a row,
Speaker 2: which makes sense because the team was not that sixty.
Speaker 3: And maybe since nineteen sixty six. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they had won one in the past. They did win
Speaker 3: one on the road in Florida in Tampa, but it
Speaker 3: was in Tampa onge.
Speaker 1: The Orange Bowl. They owned us the Orange Bowl, I
Speaker 1: mean wow.
Speaker 3: And then leading up to this game from the Dolphins side,
Speaker 3: because of the matchup they had with the Bears, and
Speaker 3: everyone was viewing that that was such a matchup and
Speaker 3: this was going to be an incredible Super Bowl over
Speaker 3: Dolphins Bears the rematch. Ye offense, great defense, let's go.
Speaker 3: So they were kind of looking at and they were
Speaker 3: writing a I think a seven or eight game win
Speaker 3: streak into this.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then also Squish the Fish was selling t shirts
Speaker 3: and yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good fun, it really is.
Speaker 3: And then the game is not a the most remarkable gameplay.
Speaker 3: I think the thing here is a lot of.
Speaker 1: The anticipation kind that's remarkable. Yeah, that's called tough. You
Speaker 1: want to be a tough team. You gotta run the ball,
Speaker 1: you gotta stop. They just gotta cover kicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they grounded out.
Speaker 1: It was it was Craig James, Anthony Collins, and this
Speaker 1: guy named Mosy Tatupu who was like a local, a.
Speaker 2: Local legend of Samoan legend and and also a Patriots legend.
Speaker 2: He could always be counted on to get you the
Speaker 2: really tough yards. He was so tough and strong and
Speaker 2: and beloved. There was this group called Mossy's Mooses, which
Speaker 2: was like the equivalent of of Like they would make
Speaker 2: a big sheet, put it on and they were fans
Speaker 2: of this guy who only carried the ball four or
Speaker 2: five times, but he blocked. He blocked really hard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was really important to everybody. We Yeah, the
Speaker 2: blue collar type players are just so beloved in New
Speaker 2: England after all these still that's a big thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the lunch pail guys, that's what they loved about. Julian Edelman,
Speaker 2: who was once quoted as saying, I love getting hit.
Speaker 1: Your young, dumb and full of cup. You don't know
Speaker 1: what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of that. I'm like, oh, it's so stupid. No,
Speaker 1: but is this not just a perfect display of what
Speaker 1: your city is through football teams?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, totally tough, totally top fifty on the round. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you could see that maybe if
Speaker 2: it was in a cold weather game. But to grind
Speaker 2: it out like that when in my end and it
Speaker 2: was just Tony Easton. He did not throw many many attempts,
Speaker 2: I mean, and he made most of them. And it
Speaker 2: was basically ball control. And then, and here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Growing up as a Patriots fan, they were always a
Speaker 2: run first team. They would run on third down and
Speaker 2: then and then punt on fourth down like they would
Speaker 2: maybe throw sometimes on third down position. But yes, totally,
Speaker 2: but they they would. Yeah, they weren't a team that
Speaker 2: would air it out very frequently. And and Grogan I
Speaker 2: thought had a good arm, but they just yeah, they
Speaker 2: were They were a ball control offense. Yeah, I can't,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at everything. I'm looking at all
Speaker 2: the numbers. But Don Shula is a handsome guy. No,
Speaker 2: he had a gorgeous had a wavy hair, and and
Speaker 2: over the years I did. It just drives me crazy
Speaker 2: that the those old Dolphins guys get to celebrate every
Speaker 2: year when a team loses. It drives me nuts like.
Speaker 1: That that we had that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wasn't the I know, but someday it has
Speaker 2: to happen, and if only to to shut those guys
Speaker 2: up because they're they're smug about it, and they they
Speaker 2: don't bring into the fact that they did not play
Speaker 2: a sixteen game regular season and the playoffs run as
Speaker 2: ard to us.
Speaker 1: That means it's probably never gonna happen. It may never
Speaker 1: happen because it's eighteen. It'll be eighteen probably in the
Speaker 1: next three years, right, and you know there's an extra
Speaker 1: playoff game less byes. Yeah, that's it's that's regardless if
Speaker 1: it was fourteen or whatever. That's that's an impressive stat
Speaker 1: just to have guys to be able to get up
Speaker 1: every week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know how it is. No, I know,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: The start of the season, you're excited because it's the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Then the days get short, man, it's tough, gets cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your body starts tot you got an ankle, your having
Speaker 1: all day? Yeah, you know, week seven to twelve, you're
Speaker 1: sitting there miserable.
Speaker 2: Sun's gone.
Speaker 1: You go into work, it's dark, you leave work, it's dark.
Speaker 1: You see you see the sun or the cloudy grace
Speaker 1: guys of Foxborough for that's depressing. It's very depressing. I
Speaker 1: used to have this little light me too. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: light in my locker the light box. Yes, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to give you the UV yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really helpful. But it's and that's the vitamin D supplements.
Speaker 1: They were huge into that. That's yes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, most people are vitamin D deficient. Let's do
Speaker 2: let's do a quick PSA. Yeah, get your vitamin D.
Speaker 1: Vitamin D, but you also have to have calcium to
Speaker 1: break down the vitamin D. So don't forget the calcium
Speaker 1: as well. Oh and needs to be able to break
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 2: Okay, So take a calcium supplement as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, because that's what helps the vitamin D get
Speaker 1: breaking down. That's really helpful.
Speaker 3: Let me wrap it this game. So final score was
Speaker 3: thirty one fourteen. We touched on the big things was
Speaker 3: Patriots out out rushed the Dolphins two fifty five to
Speaker 3: fifty six. They you mentioned Tony Easton only had twelve
Speaker 3: pass attempts, but he threw for three touchdowns. Dan Marino,
Speaker 3: you went twenty for forty eight, two touchdowns, two interceptions,
Speaker 3: and there was six total turnovers from the Dolphins for
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 2: That is something else. The Marino was as good as
Speaker 2: it ever got. I'm looking at the face masks and
Speaker 2: they're I mean they're similar to what people wear when
Speaker 2: they're fencing.
Speaker 1: Right they are. I don't know how they ever saw
Speaker 1: I mean that was that's what I grew up seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, line right, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: They have those neck rolls and the huge shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: Now it's as small as you can. Did you wear
Speaker 1: any knee pets my first three years? I didn't, and
Speaker 1: they needed it with knee or thigh? Isn't that good
Speaker 1: just to be faster? I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: thought it looked cooler.
Speaker 2: The vanity. Yeah, my word.
Speaker 1: It was more of all the studs on the team
Speaker 1: were doing it.
Speaker 2: I see, you know, I get it. To do that,
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then you get a deep thigh bruise and Belichicks like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we go? Jesus So he would
Speaker 1: mandate us. He mandate us in practice, put it in games,
Speaker 1: you could take them out.
Speaker 2: Was there ever a point where you felt comfortable with
Speaker 2: somebody like that or is it always ill? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, after like my second Super Bowl win, okay, and
Speaker 1: like a historic catch, then I felt like I could
Speaker 1: crack a joke at them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just always every experience in to this day.
Speaker 2: My high school coach and anybody who coached me in college,
Speaker 2: I still call them coach, and I still want to
Speaker 2: make them proud and please them.
Speaker 1: I still Isn't it interesting?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 1: But I mean, but they really were so meaningful to us.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially at our at our youngest ages, they
Speaker 2: mold your your outlook. And I don't think everybody should
Speaker 2: play a sport, but you should play something where you
Speaker 2: have to rely on somebody for mentorship and guidance and
Speaker 2: also something that somebody helps you improve at something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a great lesson, right I think
Speaker 1: there's so many life lessons, Like I have a six
Speaker 1: year old right now, and I love that she's in
Speaker 1: soccer teams, she does gymnastics, tennis. The life lessons you
Speaker 1: learn in a team sport or I think so much
Speaker 1: on a different page, just because in life, you're not
Speaker 1: going to go through this thing alone. And anything you do,
Speaker 1: you have a job, you are this a You're gonna
Speaker 1: need other people, and so you need to learn at
Speaker 1: a long young age how to work with people. You
Speaker 1: need to learn at a young age to rely on
Speaker 1: other people. You need to learn at a young age
Speaker 1: that people are going to rely on you. You need accountability.
Speaker 1: You're going to learn how to compete. You're going to
Speaker 1: learn how to set goals. You're going to learn how
Speaker 1: to sacrifice and all these things. Like as soon as
Speaker 1: she gets old enough where she can make her own
Speaker 1: decision that she don't have to play, but at least
Speaker 1: you'll have that instilled in her and she'll feel that
Speaker 1: and then she can go to what she wants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it right now. It's not a this isn't
Speaker 1: a democracy a dictatorship.
Speaker 2: That's good. But I mean the other thing, And maybe
Speaker 2: it's obvious, but it was. It was unusual I think
Speaker 2: when I grew up in the nineteen seventies in a
Speaker 2: community that was that.
Speaker 1: Was mostly white people with people. Yeah, it was white
Speaker 1: tough people.
Speaker 2: And then but through basketball and football and and sports,
Speaker 2: I was able to interact with with people who didn't
Speaker 2: look like me. And it was really it was important
Speaker 2: to understand, now, they're no different than you, they want
Speaker 2: the same things, They work as hard as you do,
Speaker 2: sometimes harder, and and so that that was very helpful
Speaker 2: in that circumstances.
Speaker 1: Communities, culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know a lot of people who who
Speaker 2: are in certain fields that never intersect with people who
Speaker 2: don't look like them, and they're.
Speaker 1: And and it's really they're missing out. And that's just
Speaker 1: and they they probably acted a certain way around people
Speaker 1: because they don't have experience. And that's what the sport does.
Speaker 1: It caused you to experience other people. Yeah, and I've
Speaker 1: been blessed that way with comedy as well. People have
Speaker 1: different backgrounds and interests and and and and who weren't
Speaker 1: even born in America. Frequently it's been really cool. And
Speaker 1: it's really cool because you guys have a common interest.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, so that's what brings you together. And that's
Speaker 2: and that's the other that's the other thing. They didn't
Speaker 2: care where you came from, as long as you could
Speaker 2: play or or loved the sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really special. A lot of stuff to
Speaker 1: be learned from sport. You know, it's definitely not for everyone. No,
Speaker 1: there's so many No. But it could also be music
Speaker 1: instruments or something like that.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the first thing that comes to mind when
Speaker 1: you think of this game? After the game, before the game,
Speaker 1: when you think of this game, I think of my dad.
Speaker 2: I think of my dad because I'm from a divorce family.
Speaker 2: So he would come on Sundays, and Sundays meant watching
Speaker 2: the Patriots with him, and he was such a good fan.
Speaker 1: I never heard him criticize the players.
Speaker 2: He would be disappointed, he would be sad, but he
Speaker 2: never said because a lot of New England fans say,
Speaker 2: don't don't follow the Red Sox, don't follow the Patriots,
Speaker 2: I'll break your heart. But my dad just loved these
Speaker 2: guys and these teams. And I remember how happy he
Speaker 2: was and how he wasn't a pessimist, which a lot
Speaker 2: of Bostonians are. He really believed in the team from
Speaker 2: week to week and it would be become disappointed. And
Speaker 2: we were just so thrilled by that game and so
Speaker 2: excited about the super Bowl. And the great thing about
Speaker 2: the mindset back then was that making it to the.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a dream come true, and we were happy it
Speaker 2: wasn't It wasn't a failure if the team lost, is
Speaker 2: it now? I feel and I feel for the Buffalo
Speaker 2: Bills fans. Yeah, because it happens four times in a row.
Speaker 2: It's comical.
Speaker 1: And then what they're going through right now, Yes, you
Speaker 1: think that this is their time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heartbreaking, but but I just I feel for
Speaker 2: those fans because it's it's uh, you give your heart
Speaker 2: and soul.
Speaker 1: You really do those people. I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 1: those Buffalo fans, they haven't they haven't experienced a lot
Speaker 1: of success, and they still love their team. They love
Speaker 1: their team.
Speaker 2: They've never been.
Speaker 1: Leaked off so many different ways. Anytime, oh wow, anytime
Speaker 1: you go into Buffalo from three years old to one
Speaker 1: hundred years old, you're getting the finger after you leave.
Speaker 2: Was there ever something somebody yelled and not in the profanity,
Speaker 2: but something like I remember just certain things would be
Speaker 2: yelled from from opposing teams and they would like get you.
Speaker 1: Like really like Gary your hair or something.
Speaker 2: It would really be it would be like that hurt
Speaker 2: my feeling.
Speaker 1: You want to know what hurt my feelings? When it
Speaker 1: was a third and eight and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I see a pink dill do get thrown onto the
Speaker 1: field and it says Brady's dildo. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: traumatized me. And I sat and watched, Sorry that happened
Speaker 1: to you. I sit and watch the referees. They're sitting
Speaker 1: here having a discussion on how to get it off
Speaker 1: the field. One's kicking it off. They don't know what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: It was that. That's what I remember from the Buffalo, Buddy,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: It was so big.
Speaker 2: Yes, as the Beastie Boys, I think toured with that.
Speaker 1: So the Patriots went on to Super Bowl ten or twenty,
Speaker 1: super Bowl twenty at their first in franchise history, the
Speaker 1: first X rated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first extra Oh my gosh, truly, there was wow.
Speaker 2: Literally that was on the field.
Speaker 1: I was actually impressed with the fan that imagination to
Speaker 1: sneak this thing in because it's not easy getting nuts
Speaker 1: into that stadium. No, that's really impressive.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 2: want to make any any guesses that where it.
Speaker 1: Was hiding it. The Patriots lost to the Bears, the
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears with that Super Bowl shuffle, sweetness the
Speaker 1: Fridge or McMahon, that beautiful defense, that forty six defense,
Speaker 1: forty six to ten, but they were winning three Ryan,
Speaker 1: Buddy Ryan, they carried him off the field. Yep, carried
Speaker 1: him off the field. Yeah. I love Buddy Ryan. I
Speaker 1: like the Ryans too.
Speaker 2: I know U.
Speaker 1: I saw Rex at the Belmont when he was still
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Jets. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And it was right after that whole foot thing, that Welker.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we were all there.
Speaker 1: That was really funny, man, it was that was next level.
Speaker 1: It was funny. We ended up losing though, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we were.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was great about it. He's a fun guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He seems like he has a really good sense of humor.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then his brother, I saw him, he's the
Speaker 2: same way. It's just it's such such rich in history
Speaker 2: of that family. Yeah. Really, this generation more than the
Speaker 2: the guys in the seventies and eighties. I do like
Speaker 2: seeing the guys after the game hugging each other from
Speaker 2: the opposing teams.
Speaker 1: It's basketball.
Speaker 2: I know it upsets the old school people, but these
Speaker 2: guys understand what they went through. And it's not like
Speaker 2: they're they're letting up because they're playing somebody they went
Speaker 2: to camp with or college with. They want to just
Speaker 2: for the sake of their own integrity and there and
Speaker 2: they and their egos beat them, and and so I
Speaker 2: I understand. It's like the boxers who hug at the end.
Speaker 2: Nobody understands what they went through. Like like I remember
Speaker 2: one of my favorite matches of all time was uh
Speaker 2: no Drago Balboa when when the Balboa I feel I
Speaker 2: feel he brought it was. It was gonna end, but
Speaker 2: he sped it up. He sped it up.
Speaker 1: It was more diplomacy.
Speaker 2: But that didn't hurt. What what was the line.
Speaker 1: Can change? Yes, yes, change is good. Yeah, yeah that
Speaker 1: was when of That was a really good documentary. But
Speaker 1: getting back to after the game, after the game, yes,
Speaker 1: I understand what other guys go through, and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a respect. Yeah, there's always a respect because I've
Speaker 1: been in every situation on that field, a guy trying
Speaker 1: to make the team, guy trying to earn a role,
Speaker 1: the guy that's trying to keep up his expectations that
Speaker 1: the standards that he's made for himself have been on
Speaker 1: every side of that. Sure, but before game, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't talk. No no, no, no, no, no no
Speaker 1: talk No. I can only sneer at you, thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no one hundred after.
Speaker 2: Game all shake your hand if we win. I would
Speaker 2: if we win. Frequently, when if we lose, I used
Speaker 2: to just literally get off. Yeah yeah, frequently I would
Speaker 2: box and I would I would tell my opponent I
Speaker 2: must break you.
Speaker 1: I must break you. That wasn't me. I mean, draga,
Speaker 1: what's it?
Speaker 2: I remember this one fighter had a prediction for the
Speaker 2: fight and his prediction was pain. Yes, Lang was one
Speaker 2: of the all time heavyweights. I don't care what you say.
Speaker 2: Some people love Tyson, other people Ali, but Lang one
Speaker 2: of the all time w you see champions. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: just talking about his wife talking about Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he had to go to l A yeah and get
Speaker 2: a little get a little brother life in to get
Speaker 2: his rhythm. Yes, oh my god, I love that woman.
Speaker 2: That was one of the low key, one of the best, oh,
Speaker 2: one of the the most watchable.
Speaker 1: I mean it was one of the best fights of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the training.
Speaker 1: There is no tomorrow, Julian, there is no there is
Speaker 1: no tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: That's that was And once again, like my career goes
Speaker 1: into these rocky movies.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's there is a time where you're doing the magazine covers, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're you're living on cloud nine and the wrestling
Speaker 1: thunderlips thunderlips, Yes, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: get hurt or something. There's something that happens, you lose
Speaker 1: your confidence and you gotta you gotta build it back.
Speaker 1: Confidence is every a big percentage of the game. How
Speaker 1: do you How do you build your confidence? It's a
Speaker 1: it's a constant struggle.
Speaker 2: But I do gain confidence by thinking of things that
Speaker 2: I initially I wasn't able to do and then do
Speaker 2: it easily without thinking. From tying your shoes to making
Speaker 2: free throws to dunking a basketball, all these things in
Speaker 2: your life that you're like, I can't do it, I
Speaker 2: can't do it, and then you don't give up. It's
Speaker 2: like that that San Antonio Spurs thing where you you
Speaker 2: hammer the stone every day and it doesn't even crack,
Speaker 2: there's no evidence, and then years later it cracks wide
Speaker 2: open and it's just like, keep pounding that rock every day.
Speaker 2: And so it's I think my confidence is that John
Speaker 2: Wooden idea, the preparation and giving it all and then
Speaker 2: what else can I What else can I do? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That pyramid of success, man, it still holds up and
Speaker 2: it was written in the fifties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, I always uh, you know, as an athlete,
Speaker 1: you know you deal with confidence because you you know,
Speaker 1: especially when when you play on a team like New
Speaker 1: England because there's there's a standard. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, if we don't win a super Bowl, it's
Speaker 1: a failure at least when we were playing when I was,
Speaker 1: when I was on that team.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you for me, if I would ever lose the
Speaker 1: confidence if I dropped a ball or something, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't perform a certain way in a game, or
Speaker 1: I missed a couple of.
Speaker 2: This or that.
Speaker 1: For me, I would just always go back to the fundamentals.
Speaker 1: I would think, I hear my dad in my in
Speaker 1: my head because my dad's very frank, He's very uh
Speaker 1: very He was a very tough guy on me. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that you know, i'd go,
Speaker 1: where are you in the birth order?
Speaker 2: I'm the middle, Okay, tough, I'm the middle. Okay.
Speaker 1: My brother was seven years older than me too. It's
Speaker 1: like a different family, different family. So he used to
Speaker 1: like just Wally Molly wop me. Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, so my sister's three years younger.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was.
Speaker 2: He was the type of guy that I'd go, I'd
Speaker 2: go work out and he'd come back and I'd.
Speaker 1: Be dying and he goes, you beat those three kids.
Speaker 1: I'm talking.
Speaker 2: I was working about myself. Dad, He doesn't you're in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 1: Now, there's three kids in high school right now that
Speaker 1: are training and that have a picture of you on
Speaker 1: their wall. Wow, that are thinking about taking your job. Wow,
Speaker 1: they are thinking about taking your house. And I think, like,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff. So I always whenever I
Speaker 1: lost my confidence, I would always just go back to
Speaker 1: fundamental work. Yeah, work my way out of it, and
Speaker 1: just try to stack good days together, you know, just
Speaker 1: you're either getting better or you're getting worse. Sure, and
Speaker 1: if you break everything down in your day to day,
Speaker 1: if you could stack five good days together and you
Speaker 1: just keep on competing with That's what I had to
Speaker 1: do for me. And I had to keep myself in
Speaker 1: a happily miserable mindset, Like I have this whole thing
Speaker 1: where we have this merch I sell. It's called happily miserable. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I was miserable, But I needed to be in
Speaker 1: that mindset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the underdog mindset.
Speaker 1: The underdog mindset, the world's falling mindset. Like I needed
Speaker 1: that for me to hone in and keep my focus. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know, So work was always my my way to
Speaker 1: get my confidence back. And if you want to improve
Speaker 1: on something, you know, Belichick would always say this, if
Speaker 1: you want to improve, you can't just go work hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't just go run. You can't just go lift weights.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're you're working hard, but you need to find someone,
Speaker 1: a mentor coach, a person that can tell you what
Speaker 1: you need to work on.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then you work hard at that. Wow, And
Speaker 2: that's how Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 2: how Like that's really inspiring always. But are you able
Speaker 2: to turn it off? And are you able to one
Speaker 2: thing that I always have a hard time? Wasn't It
Speaker 2: reminds me of Bob Knight where he would I remember
Speaker 2: in that book I read The Season on the Brink,
Speaker 2: where he would yell at a player and he said,
Speaker 2: why do I want you to be a better player
Speaker 2: than you want to be? And so there are certain
Speaker 2: mindsets which are hard to be around, especially after they're
Speaker 2: they're not playing athletes, because they hold everybody to high
Speaker 2: such high expectations. And then Kyler pays for it and
Speaker 2: it's true and and you and we have to be
Speaker 2: cause I find that with my my wife sometimes because
Speaker 2: she has artistic pursuits, and I tell her how I
Speaker 2: would go about it, and she's like, stop trying to
Speaker 2: make me be you and.
Speaker 1: And let me enjoy this.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's interesting because we we have this, we
Speaker 2: have this discipline that worked for us, and and we
Speaker 2: want to impart it on people.
Speaker 1: But it can be very off putting. I talked to
Speaker 1: my dad about that all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because I have like small businesses and
Speaker 2: you're managing people, and and I go to the factor
Speaker 2: of like how I was managed, Yeah, for twelve years
Speaker 2: of my life, right, and it was so successful beyond dreams,
Speaker 2: beyond dreams. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was never told the things I did well
Speaker 1: I was expected to, right, I was only told the
Speaker 1: things I needed to work on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And I and my dad's actually he's
Speaker 2: he's very similar to me. He's small business owners, so
Speaker 2: he's had a lot of experience with people.
Speaker 1: Was he athletic.
Speaker 2: He was, but his dad.
Speaker 1: Died when he was three, and his mom, you know,
Speaker 1: she was in and out of marriages. He grew up
Speaker 1: in a trailer park, so he became a mechanic. At fourteen.
Speaker 1: He had to help wow, help help out my mom, wow, Grandma.
Speaker 1: So he always talks me, you know, he always kind
Speaker 1: of lets me know that you can't live like what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You can't. You have to turn that off. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's and it's hard
Speaker 1: for me because I'm still transitioning, yeah, from something I've
Speaker 1: been doing for two decades, three decades, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know. And it's been like that since I was
Speaker 2: eight years old. Yeah, and it's changed when you get
Speaker 2: to be a professional and then it's all football.
Speaker 1: You don't have school anymore. You have football school, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like I mean, that's it's a part of life,
Speaker 1: is learning what you have to do to improve. And
Speaker 1: my dad's a good person that helps him with that.
Speaker 1: But I definitely need to be able to turn it off, sure,
Speaker 1: you know. And when you have a kid, it helps
Speaker 1: you with that, you know. My dad was a hard ass.
Speaker 1: My dad was very tough on me because that's what
Speaker 1: dads were like back and he didn't have any he
Speaker 1: didn't have anyone. Yeah, who would have trained him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know so, but he's now the complete opposite now
Speaker 1: now he's the softy. Are you hungry your grandfather? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you need anything. That's so nice.
Speaker 1: Oh look, let me let me rub your feet, like literally,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 2: So wow. I mean the pride he must have though, Well,
Speaker 2: it was a.
Speaker 1: Team effort my mom as well. You know, she's a
Speaker 1: stubborn little lady.
Speaker 2: But that's a special thing for mead to have a
Speaker 2: son who els areas. Yeah. My dad, uh, he was
Speaker 2: a huge part of it. Sure, no, I know, yeah.
Speaker 1: My dad's kind of like a Jewish mother.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: Literally, that's great. You know, nothing's ever good enough, but
Speaker 1: he's always comforting me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh that's so nice. Oh my gosh. But in
Speaker 2: the same twisted kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was watching your stand up. Your mom cracks
Speaker 2: me up. Oh thanks man. Yeah, she's she's just quite hard.
Speaker 2: She really is a sweetheart's quite depression. Yeah, he's smiles
Speaker 2: the whole Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. She didn't never met
Speaker 2: a happier kid. Yeah. And then I held up this
Speaker 2: book called The Lonely Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The Lonely Trade. She's just the level of denial.
Speaker 2: But nobody understood back then, nobody knew so I I yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a product of that generation. Yes, exactly exactly, and
Speaker 2: we didn't have that relationship with our parents like kids
Speaker 2: do today where they can go to them and say, listen,
Speaker 2: I feel this way. If you were bullied, you kept
Speaker 2: that to yourself unless there was something you could do
Speaker 2: about it. So yeah, yeah, or try to figure out
Speaker 2: a way to solve these things by yourself, because they
Speaker 2: were working so hard, especially as single mom is is
Speaker 2: just this interesting warrior in America that or on the
Speaker 2: planet that they just have to have to get by
Speaker 2: and they don't have a lot of time for nonsense.
Speaker 1: So that's when my dad always tells me when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad, I'm stressed out. You know a lot of
Speaker 2: shit going on. Yeah, you don't know what stresses I know,
Speaker 2: I go, what what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Dad? I got you know, a lot of shit going Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what stresses. It's when you have three deaf kids,
Speaker 1: fifty dollars in your bank account with two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: in bills. Wow, that's who my grandma was. My dad
Speaker 1: has three deaf brothers and sisters. Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and he's like significantly younger, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he goes that's stress, and that's a single. Mom.
Speaker 2: Is your grandmother still alive? No, she passed, all right, Mary, Mary,
Speaker 2: God love her. She was the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get back to the old football then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she had a tear over here and thinking about grandma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one quick question, and I think one
Speaker 3: of your specials you mentioned your mom would go to
Speaker 3: a dentistry school to get her teeth done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my newest special.
Speaker 3: Does that be you?
Speaker 1: The Boston University School of Dentistry.
Speaker 3: My grandma did the same thing.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh my gosh, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And it was a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. Yeah, teeth were these poor people couldn't
Speaker 2: afford dentistry. So our family, my mom had a lot
Speaker 2: of dental work. She would go to a school that
Speaker 2: had a school of university that had a school of dentistry,
Speaker 2: and these kids would take their mid terms, but it
Speaker 2: was my mother's my mother's bridge work and her and
Speaker 2: her molars and things, and they they weren't competent and
Speaker 2: she would be in great pain. And and that's what
Speaker 2: we had to do. Was really I feel for her, man,
Speaker 2: it was. And the other thing was we would have
Speaker 2: to drive into Boston, which was poor people have cars
Speaker 2: that don't work, so sometimes we break down. Would just
Speaker 2: be on the side of the road waiting for a
Speaker 2: triple A to come, and it was just, oh man,
Speaker 2: it was a it was a nightmare.
Speaker 1: That was before the big dig.
Speaker 2: We'd go over this thing called thest the Mystic, the
Speaker 2: Mystic River bridge, which everybody would call the Mystic River.
Speaker 1: We're going over the Mystic River and and I was like,
Speaker 1: who is this, mister river?
Speaker 2: And she was a Mystic river? The river We're driving
Speaker 2: over it to go into Boston. And you had to
Speaker 2: save up money to pay for parking. I remember that
Speaker 2: was part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They on the pike when I was there. Yeah, the traffic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these four people who worked in the tobos
Speaker 2: were just miss miserable. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: But there's sweaters though, that Mass Pike sweater I love.
Speaker 2: I did love those. Oh my gosh, I would love
Speaker 2: one of those.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Tyler is an absolute delight, the whole staff here.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy you people, We enjoy you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreci I was hoping I was doing.
Speaker 1: A good job. Now you're doing killing it all right.
Speaker 1: Dann Marino the best to never win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Who else are we thinking about in terms of I've
Speaker 2: got some names, Sanders, Barry, Sanders, Moss. Yeah, maybe the
Speaker 2: greatest quarterback to never won a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Is that possible? Although Jim Kelly was great, but he
Speaker 1: was better than Jim Kelly.
Speaker 2: Jim Kelly was. Man, That's that's a sad story. I
Speaker 2: know it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna say the cancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah that too, that too, I probably take the dip
Speaker 1: out of my lip.
Speaker 3: Also Junior, se Bruce Smith, Ladanyan Thomas, and philp Rivers.
Speaker 3: I forgot I played with you. He was a very
Speaker 3: special person.
Speaker 2: He was the nicest guy in the world. Yes, Like
Speaker 2: I remember he We were at Capitol Grill.
Speaker 1: My parents just came in. We were about to play
Speaker 1: in a playoff game, and I was taking him out
Speaker 1: to dinner on a Friday. This is in December maybe January,
Speaker 1: so it's freezing outside. Yeah, Junior rolls up in flip flops,
Speaker 1: shorts and he always wore this hat and his ukulelely
Speaker 1: on his back.
Speaker 2: Seriously serious because he used to be the Capitol girl.
Speaker 2: Every you know.
Speaker 1: That was his flip flops. Flip flops but Hawaiian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he grew up in the tropics and he wasn't
Speaker 2: bothered by the mountains.
Speaker 1: This dud was the most manly man ever. Wow, manly
Speaker 1: man but soft hearted too. Yes, that's the way he
Speaker 1: came off. And he and he went up to my
Speaker 1: parents and we grew up in the Bay Area. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of Polynesian culture, so I grew up with
Speaker 1: a lot of Tongueans, a lot of Samoans, a lot
Speaker 1: of Hawaiians like that was part of my football team
Speaker 1: and my football life. Oh that's cool. So Junior sayou
Speaker 1: was a god like in California. Sure, because he was
Speaker 1: on the Chargers. He did, you know, the whole was
Speaker 1: a usc guy too, you sc guy. And you know
Speaker 1: I got to play with him.
Speaker 2: And he came up to my parents and he and
Speaker 2: he and he goes, mister and mister Edelman.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you raised a very great
Speaker 1: young man play a long time in this league. And
Speaker 1: this was when I was a rookie and I was
Speaker 1: still wow. Yeah, it's incredible to have Junior say out
Speaker 1: come and my dad, you know, he's all shy and
Speaker 1: stuff like, yeah, watch this guy for a long time.
Speaker 1: This was his twentieth year in the league. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the time I was playing with them. But I remember
Speaker 1: you stood out in the preseason. You were very promising
Speaker 1: link financial that was that was a big game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was Tom's first game back from the
Speaker 2: a c L. That's right.
Speaker 1: Wes wasn't playing, That's right, My first game in the NFL.
Speaker 1: My word, any nerves, Oh so nice. I was very nervous.
Speaker 1: I was a very nervous. Yeah, because I cared so much,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you get yeah, and so much was
Speaker 2: was you were so invested.
Speaker 1: So invested, and yeah, especially in that you know, you're
Speaker 1: playing for your job. Yeah, seventh round draft pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first preseason game. Yeah, well, didn't play, so they started
Speaker 1: me and they told me like right before the game.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like it they test you psychologically.
Speaker 1: I want to see if you can. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Kenny handle that we're gonna tell him twenty minutes before
Speaker 1: the game that he's gonna have to you know, because
Speaker 1: a lot of guys can't and they want to see
Speaker 1: it in the preseason of course, you know.
Speaker 2: And first play it was a kickoff.
Speaker 1: I went down, I made a tackle and they put
Speaker 1: me on a kickoff that day went made a tackle.
Speaker 1: Then the first punt return I took to the house,
Speaker 1: and then the first play.
Speaker 2: Did you think you were dreaming? I did, right, because
Speaker 2: I have I still have dreams where I where I
Speaker 2: score touchdowns that and to do that on that level
Speaker 2: because it's more competitive, my word, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: You don't really know either when you're in camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of thud. You're not taking to the ground.
Speaker 1: It's not like college or you know.
Speaker 6: A hit.
Speaker 2: But if Hard Knocks has show on us anything, it's
Speaker 2: that you might get cut even after having an incredible game.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, all right, continue, I'm sorry, no, but
Speaker 2: it was just you score that and then you run
Speaker 2: back that the touchdown, and then.
Speaker 1: It was Brady's first game, so everyone was kind of
Speaker 1: like very nervous because you know, the knee thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and every like everyone's kind of on eggshells. Bill wanted
Speaker 1: to see our how we were playing, They wanted he
Speaker 1: wanted to see how Tommy was psychologically, because when you
Speaker 1: go through injury, that first live contact, when you're getting
Speaker 1: real bullets, it's different. You know, sometimes you you don't
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Stick your foot and you know there's a lot of
Speaker 2: it goes back to the eye of the tiger.
Speaker 1: The tiger first play gives me the swing route. He
Speaker 1: throws me a little swing. I caught his first ball.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is awesome, this is easy.
Speaker 2: Really. I ended up having a bunch of catches, and
Speaker 2: you know, I had a good game. And next week
Speaker 2: there is something to the ignorance of the brand new
Speaker 2: right where you don't know it.
Speaker 1: You know, next week it's against Atlanta and I'm still
Speaker 1: like on the verge of making the team like a
Speaker 1: house to punt. And I had a lot of production
Speaker 1: in the first game. I had a tackle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we had like Randy Moss Wes Welker
Speaker 2: trying to galloway like there's.
Speaker 1: A numbers, but how many gays are on the team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so the next week I go and I'm returning
Speaker 1: to punt and I shake off a guy and another
Speaker 1: guy comes in and he my foot gets caught and
Speaker 1: I sprained my ink. I get a high end sprain.
Speaker 1: The worst first play the first play that I got
Speaker 1: in and I was out for three weeks. And now
Speaker 1: it's during cut, Yeah, and I'm sitting there stressed out,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I had enough. You know,
Speaker 1: it's short term memory with guy. That was four weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next up. And you know, Billy O'Brien was our o
Speaker 1: C at the time. I knew him in high school.
Speaker 1: You know, did you he went to Saint John's Prep.
Speaker 2: How was he? Can I tell the truth? Yes, he
Speaker 2: was an arrogant prick. He's an arrogant prick in high school.
Speaker 2: I mean, billios a fiery guy. I just he went
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I went to the public school. He
Speaker 2: went to the private school same times preps. So I
Speaker 2: resented him to begin with, and then when he wasn't
Speaker 2: friendly to me, I was like, fuck this guy.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, he can come on. We used to call
Speaker 1: him te Kettle.
Speaker 2: But I knew his wife in college. I was friends
Speaker 2: with Colleen, who was the sweetest woman. So I'm I'm
Speaker 2: talking about how he was in high school, which a
Speaker 2: lot of football players are high school so I'm sure
Speaker 2: he changed. But what was it? Okay, all right, he's
Speaker 2: like that ass while you like, yeah, yeah, no, of course,
Speaker 2: of course I will say this. I respected him, and
Speaker 2: I knew how hard he worked as a as a
Speaker 2: player because he went to Brown. Yeah, and then he
Speaker 2: was a smart guy and he was serious. So I
Speaker 2: liked that, but I I just I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: probably two uh teenage two teenage boys who were like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but we had a mutual friend who played with me
Speaker 2: at Bosson in college that this guy Mike Panos, who
Speaker 2: I don't know if you are, if you met him,
Speaker 2: you'd remember him. He's very charming. Anyhow, So you're in
Speaker 2: camp and oh, yeah, a three week injury.
Speaker 1: And he comes up to me, and the whole week
Speaker 1: of because cut day is there's a Friday, and then
Speaker 1: there's a week off. Yeah, where you establish a team
Speaker 1: and it's like the turks in there just taking lives,
Speaker 1: you know, which wants to see you get your playbook,
Speaker 1: you know that. Like you're sitting in the locker room
Speaker 1: and guys are just getting plucked. Of course, so you know,
Speaker 1: Billy Owould was messing with me like, hey, her Buffalo's
Speaker 1: got a good third corner, meaning like I was making
Speaker 1: the team, yeah, but I don't know if you're making
Speaker 1: the team yet. And I was sitting there like I'm
Speaker 1: like a little kid twenty two years old. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: finally I went home and I was sitting there by
Speaker 1: my phone the whole time, because they'll still call you
Speaker 1: when you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they never got the call. Amazing, So how
Speaker 2: did you find out that just by kno getting a call,
Speaker 2: that's the worst. That's how that's worse. Yeah, at least
Speaker 2: call me tell me making it totally. No, they don't. Wow,
Speaker 2: you just come in and you just was there anybody
Speaker 2: who was the opposite of that, who was saying keep
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. I remember my friend Mike Power
Speaker 2: was in the Houston Oilers and Warren Moon took him
Speaker 2: under his wing and said, you keep making those out
Speaker 2: passes because nobody else can make those ones the sideline
Speaker 2: from the pocket, and you keep making those, you're going
Speaker 2: to stand out. And so he made it very far
Speaker 2: in the in the cuts. But was there anybody who
Speaker 2: was like that?
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor really or Fred Taylor? Yeah, of course. So
Speaker 1: I didn't have a car yet. You know there'd be
Speaker 1: a for training camp, there'd be a six o'clock bus
Speaker 1: you could take from the team hotel Okay to the stadium.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting on my on the curb waiting
Speaker 1: for the bus and Freddie t rolled out and he
Speaker 1: has a cool old like dope car. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: a young buck, come with me nice and he brings
Speaker 1: me in there and you can see he could see
Speaker 1: that I'm straight because it's such day to day. There
Speaker 1: was two practices a day when I first started, you
Speaker 1: have double days. You had run game in the morning
Speaker 1: passing the afternoon. So you have like two practices that
Speaker 1: you're thinking about going into the next day, you know,
Speaker 1: because you have to correct everything. Am I gonna get cut?
Speaker 1: I didn't make that block, I didn't make that this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he could see that I was going through my head.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, And he's in a different part
Speaker 1: of his career where you know, listen is he's on
Speaker 1: the back nine. He's already a superstar. And he gets
Speaker 1: me in the car and he goes, hey, young buck,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ups, there's a lot of downs.
Speaker 1: You just gotta be smoon, You'll be all right. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's all he said. He's a very very made a
Speaker 1: few words. Yeah that's all he said. And then we
Speaker 1: sat and he started taking me to practice a bunch
Speaker 1: and you know, but that's what I thought about, like,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't get too high on the highs,
Speaker 1: don't get too low on the low, Yes, is kind of.
Speaker 2: But but there's something about somebody with your personality and
Speaker 2: drive and humility that people want to look out for
Speaker 2: because you're that makes for a good teammate and and
Speaker 2: for a good person in the locker room to hang
Speaker 2: around with somebody who's not going to be an ego
Speaker 2: and and so that's a that's a really great lesson.
Speaker 2: And you want to be that. You want to be
Speaker 2: the for the rest of your life. You want to
Speaker 2: be the Fred Taylor to somebody's Julian Adaman.
Speaker 1: Well and that and that's you know, there were other
Speaker 1: players on the team, you know that weren't like that, sure,
Speaker 1: because you know this is.
Speaker 2: Blood, blood work. No, of course there's guys there like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're here to take a spot. Yeah, that wouldn't help.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's once I got to where I was
Speaker 1: at and I and I established a role and had
Speaker 1: some success, I'd always be tough with the young guys
Speaker 1: because that was when I got there. Everyone the whole
Speaker 1: Patriot way was like making guys accountable, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you're doing them a favor.
Speaker 1: You see, you see Teddy Bruski working his dick off,
Speaker 1: and if you're not. He's going to tell you you're not. Wow.
Speaker 1: If you hear that from him, you're gonna be humiliated
Speaker 1: the whole day. Wow, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So, like, yeah, I would handle it where I would
Speaker 2: call guys out, but I would always pull him the side,
Speaker 2: like Jacobe Myers, like he would always have.
Speaker 1: He was you know, he was a young player. You know,
Speaker 1: he was an undrafted guy and I saw that he
Speaker 1: could play. Yeah, he just needed you know. Like, so
Speaker 1: I would always bring him the side, and I'm like, yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that they're bitching on this. You just
Speaker 1: gotta do this, you know what I mean, because you
Speaker 1: know what he's going through. But if there's some little
Speaker 1: arrogant asshole, yeah, of course, yeah. You know there was
Speaker 1: a few of those, right say, bro, yeah, coach, don't
Speaker 1: ask you a question, don't fucking talk in the room.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Let us get our work in yea, because there's some
Speaker 1: guys that are trying to be hands up coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do that, you're kind of showing
Speaker 1: off the other rookie that probably doesn't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: calling out to me. You're doing good. Because he ain't
Speaker 1: doing Oh wow, there's a whole dynamic in Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. Anyone take you under your wing during comedy?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there were there were so many, so many
Speaker 2: older guys and and even now, I mean, i've he's
Speaker 2: not that much older than me. But but jud Apatow
Speaker 2: has been such a great mentoring guide. I remember after
Speaker 2: my special airity called me up and he said, you're
Speaker 2: feeling hungover right now, like like let down and what
Speaker 2: else is there? And he said, Uh, you can get
Speaker 2: right out there and try to do even better and
Speaker 2: chase that high all over again.
Speaker 1: But it's a.
Speaker 2: Treadmill that you'll never get off of the only thing
Speaker 2: that we really have that's real is is our friends
Speaker 2: and our colleagues in this and our families and and
Speaker 2: chasing after fame and and that lifestyle is is a
Speaker 2: dead end. And I remember that was so helpful because
Speaker 2: I I didn't think there was anybody else who could
Speaker 2: have said that, you're feeling off after some things so
Speaker 2: great happening on HBO and the premiere and all the
Speaker 2: promotion that you do in the interviews, and somebody saying
Speaker 2: and you don't feel that good, right now when everybody's
Speaker 2: telling you should feel so good, that's normal, and don't
Speaker 2: try to feel good right away. You don't have to
Speaker 2: outdo yourself. You just have to continue to do whatever
Speaker 2: you do to get out of bed and work hard
Speaker 2: every day. But you don't have to to please the world.
Speaker 2: And and sort of there's this thing with with fame,
Speaker 2: and I have friends who are who are involved in
Speaker 2: just having to stoke that fire all the time and
Speaker 2: keeping the public eye and it's relentless, and it's it's
Speaker 2: you have to have a really strong head on your
Speaker 2: shoulders to be able to maintain your integrity and your
Speaker 2: personality through that. And I've heard it compared to looking
Speaker 2: straight into I think Tom Hanks said, fame, you don't
Speaker 2: want to look at right.
Speaker 1: In the eye, like like the sun. It can burn
Speaker 1: damage you.
Speaker 2: And I remember this this author that like John Updyke,
Speaker 2: said that this this fame is this mask that changes
Speaker 2: your face or burns your face or something like that.
Speaker 1: And it's a yeah, it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: A double edged sworded it affords us these incredible opportunities,
Speaker 2: but it can also be poisonous. It can be and
Speaker 2: I can I can relate to that from when you
Speaker 2: know we.
Speaker 1: Go out when Super Bowls. Yeah, like my close group
Speaker 1: around me. Yeah, like I you know, you have your
Speaker 1: people that or that see the real you always because
Speaker 1: you know when you go when when you're a person
Speaker 1: under a microscope, you're you're having to be on always. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when you leave the house for anyone you're at
Speaker 1: the gas station and ask you this. But I would
Speaker 1: get into these like we would call it the super
Speaker 1: Bowl saddies, Oh wow, because you go all year yeah,
Speaker 1: and for that one goal, and you would achieve that
Speaker 1: goal and like you're already thinking about the next year,
Speaker 1: how much harder it's going to be to a team
Speaker 1: that goal again because whenever you have success, now you're
Speaker 1: America's most wanted. Yeah, they're going to play their hardest.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more studying going into your game. The
Speaker 1: people are watching you more, you know, they want to see, right,
Speaker 1: if you could do the you know. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: those expectations and those standards that you know you're sitting
Speaker 1: there like, man, fuck, we gotta do it again now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And there are only three or four people on the
Speaker 2: planet who understand how you're feeling. You can't go to
Speaker 2: just anybody and say I won the super Bowl last week,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of feeling kind of glum.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow.
Speaker 1: And then you feel bad because you're not happy because
Speaker 1: you just went of course, yeah, there's guilty, bad because
Speaker 1: am I just a miserable fuck?
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. You're you're you're a human being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gary, do you think if you played football in
Speaker 3: like now generation that you would have? Of course, worts
Speaker 3: in general would have kind of stuck with it further,
Speaker 3: like with how people in mental health is a little
Speaker 3: bit more open. Oh it's sports now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, It's it's possible.
Speaker 2: The only thing is that I think that in order
Speaker 2: for me to have succeeded, I needed to get that
Speaker 2: confidence that Julian was talking about earlier. And and that
Speaker 2: was a big What was interesting was when I stopped
Speaker 2: playing football and went to the coach, he insisted that
Speaker 2: I that I stick it out, and I was like,
Speaker 2: but I'm like the worst player on the on the team.
Speaker 2: But there's something to depression that is that is telling
Speaker 2: you you the worst player on the on the team,
Speaker 2: and and and so with without that aspect, the confidence
Speaker 2: and and physically I was I could jump and jump higher,
Speaker 2: run faster than everyone at the tight end position. But
Speaker 2: mentally I felt like a like a grasshopper. I was
Speaker 2: that I was, that I was incompetent, I was incapable,
Speaker 2: and I would get overwhelmed and I would I would
Speaker 2: one of the things. I don't know if this ever
Speaker 2: happened to you, but I would get to the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage knowing that the snap count and then fuck.
Speaker 1: It up because I was so I was so.
Speaker 2: Anxious and we'd have to run and everybody and I
Speaker 2: was like, look at me, I'm I'm incoonfident and it
Speaker 2: just it builds on itself, and I think so.
Speaker 1: So it's it's.
Speaker 2: Possible that there's a that there's a universe where I
Speaker 2: was able to get my confidence back and feel that way.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it was more likely.
Speaker 2: That I that I made an informed decision.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still have I still have dreams
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: It's funny, at fifty three, I still have dreams about
Speaker 2: things that happened when I was eighteen or nineteen years old,
Speaker 2: and they have better results.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a different generation. There's it's I worked
Speaker 1: with a sports therapist when I was.
Speaker 2: That was like an in its infancy when I was
Speaker 2: when I was playing, and I did have a really
Speaker 2: good therapist at the college who had worked with the
Speaker 2: other athletes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was it was literally a lifesaver. I
Speaker 1: used to work with I think someone in college and
Speaker 1: then I you know, and then I was having some
Speaker 1: stuff going off the field that was starting to like
Speaker 1: mess with my game, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: as you're thinking about So then that's when I started
Speaker 1: seeing a therapist in Providence. I go over this that
Speaker 1: like the oldest war in the country, what's it called?
Speaker 1: That one over in Providence. But there's scary every time
Speaker 1: I went because it's really dark. But I go see
Speaker 1: my doc over there, and and it helped. It helped
Speaker 1: me because it just allowed me to you know, open
Speaker 1: up and it was very in it. It was an
Speaker 1: infancy in the league. At that time. I was the
Speaker 1: only guy in the team doing it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: more resources because the information, you know, So you know,
Speaker 1: I I needed someone to help me. You know, even
Speaker 1: I come off sometimes as a confidence strong like everyone
Speaker 1: needs someone no, of course know, and it doesn't have
Speaker 1: a therapist. Could be a friend, but it just got
Speaker 1: to be someone bounce for a long time. I'm sure
Speaker 1: your father was part of that, was my Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my dad. Yeah, it was just different practices.
Speaker 3: Well, you and your dad talked to a rabbi weekly
Speaker 3: now too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: We sweet around. What's your rabbi name, Rabbi Hamilton. Oh,
Speaker 1: what a great Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Hamilton.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing, Boston.
Speaker 2: I have a very close friend who's a who's a rabbi,
Speaker 2: and and man, I can talk to them for hours. Right,
Speaker 2: They're just they know everything and and they're also so
Speaker 2: informed about other religions and philosophies and history and and
Speaker 2: and it's really they're really special people and resources for
Speaker 2: great for great wisdom.
Speaker 1: Great wisdom and and you know, great perspective. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we always we study the Torah and we'll take little
Speaker 1: he'll have his little you know, his passage is and
Speaker 1: we're going over each week and.
Speaker 2: Educate each other. But he'd be able to break it down.
Speaker 2: That's wonderful. What a great time in life to explore that,
Speaker 2: because for me it was from the time I was
Speaker 2: eight until thirteen. Yeah, and I couldn't appreciate what I
Speaker 2: was being given. I mean I did enjoy a lot
Speaker 2: of the a lot of the history lessons, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the the the rituals and things like that,
Speaker 2: but also I wanted to look out the window and
Speaker 2: be outside a lot during Hebrew School. But I think
Speaker 2: it's it's so incredibly valuable to have to have the
Speaker 2: lessons in faith at this point in our lives, definitely
Speaker 2: when we're grappling with especially as a dad. Yes, as
Speaker 2: a kid, yeah, totally, totally. So many things were playing
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. It was Atari Atari twenty
Speaker 2: six hundred. I saw your bit, you know, kids playing sports,
Speaker 2: your compete with the best video games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, well that was the nineteen eighty five
Speaker 3: AFC Championship game.
Speaker 2: We were here to talk about something.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: No, oh, you know, this just gives us an excuse
Speaker 2: we wanted to explore you. Come on, I really appreciate that, man,
Speaker 2: This is uh. I was so looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't want a fanboy out or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: But you've brought me so much.
Speaker 2: Joy over the over the years, and we're such a
Speaker 2: refreshing personality on in New England sports. And I've every
Speaker 2: interview i've seen you you give. And when I was
Speaker 2: a guest of a friend who was on the Seth
Speaker 2: Meyers Show and it was right after the one of
Speaker 2: the biggest moments of your life, and you were just
Speaker 2: so humble and took a picture with me, and I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, this is a really real guy, and a
Speaker 2: nice guy and a humble guy who is very very
Speaker 2: compelling in terms of your personality and the way you
Speaker 2: came off with Seth and everything like that. You're You're very.
Speaker 1: Lovable now you I appreciate that. Okay, Well, hopefully you
Speaker 1: can take it in.
Speaker 2: I know it's hard for men to appreciate compliments from
Speaker 2: other men, but nah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know you that very that much. And here you
Speaker 1: could tell you have a very contagious You're warm. Oh
Speaker 1: I am, I am. I am a war I'm a
Speaker 1: warm I'm a warm, sensitive person.
Speaker 3: So very kind eyes we are.
Speaker 2: I do have very kind eye Kyler.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys are great. Did we miss anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a couple of stuff for corrections. I'd
Speaker 3: be remiss if we don't talk about Tony Franklin, the
Speaker 3: Barefoot Cooker that this also, Julian, you mentioned the Red
Speaker 3: Sox won the World Series in two thousand and three
Speaker 3: was actually two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry Sanders won his Heisman nineteen eighty eight and
Speaker 3: then Tony Easton he finished second Heisman voting. He lost
Speaker 3: to Michigan's Anthony Carter and he earned the nickname Champagne
Speaker 3: Tony because he did play for the University of Illinois
Speaker 3: and then also Dancing with the Stars. Winners we had
Speaker 3: at Smith, Donald Driver, Heinz Ward, and Rashad Jennings.
Speaker 2: Jerry didn't get one. Did Jerry not win?
Speaker 3: I don't get Jerry one?
Speaker 1: He was good though, Wow, he cut the rug.
Speaker 2: He could really.
Speaker 3: Move and then one more. In the nineteen seventy six Patriots,
Speaker 3: you mentioned when eleven and three and lost twenty four
Speaker 3: to twenty one to the Raiders in the divisional round.
Speaker 3: It was a bad rough in the passer call in
Speaker 3: the Pats against Kenny Stabler on a third and eighteen
Speaker 3: that was panned as a bad call. Yeah, It's become
Speaker 3: known as the Ben Dreff game.
Speaker 1: That was the ref right, Oh shit, when wait, we
Speaker 1: say it again, what the ref game?
Speaker 3: That's the It's called the Ben Dreff game? Who was
Speaker 3: the ref? Because the Patriots lost because of a bad
Speaker 3: rough in the passer in what year? Nineteen seventy six?
Speaker 1: It would he murder him?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 1: How do you get a rough in the passer? Like
Speaker 1: I've seen some of those hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those hits were not Yeah, nineteen seventies Sad Jack
Speaker 2: Lambert and no teeth, Oh my gosh, four army.
Speaker 1: People, it was awesome. Man, my school, oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, and sort of Thermon monson right, I think so, yeah,
Speaker 2: and Billy Crystal.
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal, Drew Carrey, Nick I didn't know that, Nick Saban,
Speaker 1: Nick Sabanu holds, Lou holds Wow. Michael Keaton, we have that.
Speaker 1: The National Guard. They were there May fourth, nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: They were definitely there Rough one. They used to be
Speaker 1: the biggest party day though really it was like a
Speaker 1: we used to celebrate it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that. Chermania they called it.
Speaker 2: Oh because there was a stirt called street called Sherman Street, Wow,
Speaker 2: Germany on May fourth, Wow, Kent State Golden Flashes. So
Speaker 2: you just you just wrote your book a memoir. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a memoir of kindergarten through twelfth grade, and but
Speaker 2: includes a nice chapter on Hebrew School, does it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought that I think you would you would find
Speaker 2: very very funny because my intention is that Hebrew School
Speaker 2: and then Jewish Summer Camp is this opportunity for Jewish
Speaker 2: boys to be around Jewish girls without gentile boys, uh
Speaker 2: competing for the gloves. So that Yeah, so it's like
Speaker 2: we were the Jewish boys were able to stand out
Speaker 2: a little bit and get get run the bases a
Speaker 2: little bit easier.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get a load loaded deck.
Speaker 3: I got one last point too, on the point. So
Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of screening uh, your special that's
Speaker 3: streaming now on on that when we release it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, and uh, I can play that game.
Speaker 3: You talk a lot about the lack of Jewish hockey
Speaker 3: players in the Hall of Fame, and as a hockey
Speaker 3: player myself and a general well wisher of the Jewish people,
Speaker 3: I'd be remiss if I didn't call out some amazing
Speaker 3: young Jews that are playing in the NHL right now.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, but I will say that I was.
Speaker 2: I was talking in nineteen seventy eight. Now they're the
Speaker 2: Hughes brother.
Speaker 3: Hughes brother, Yeah, really special, and Adam Fox won yes,
Speaker 3: and Adam five.
Speaker 2: These guys will probably make the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 2: make my joke dated. But I was talking in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight to my dad, and I was playing hockey,
Speaker 2: and he said, let's let's see how many Jewish players
Speaker 2: there are in the Hockey Hall of Fame, because you know,
Speaker 2: as a Jew, we really cling to the athletes who
Speaker 2: stand out, the Sandy Cofaxes and the Hank Greenberg's and
Speaker 2: the Julian Edelmans and the Dolph Chases.
Speaker 1: And so my dad said.
Speaker 2: Okay, there is zero Jewish players in the Hockey Hall
Speaker 2: of Fami. He said, just for a point of comparison, Garre,
Speaker 2: more Jews have been the Messiah than have made the
Speaker 2: Hockey Hall of Fame. He said, You're more likely to
Speaker 2: walk on water than you are to skate on it
Speaker 2: holding the Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1: So we know where you got your comedic.
Speaker 2: My dad was telling me Dad, my dad was very
Speaker 2: good joke. It was a good joke. My dad was
Speaker 2: a very good laugher also, which it which helped my dad.
Speaker 2: I think nobody would be more prouder of me.
Speaker 1: Than my than my dad. Phil Bellman was a really
Speaker 1: special guy.
Speaker 2: He was very kind, affectionate, generous man who really believed
Speaker 2: in his son.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it sounds like sounds like a bench.
Speaker 2: He was really a mens Yes, the true definition of
Speaker 2: a mensch. Yeah, well yeah, I was really loved dad son.
Speaker 2: Yeah talk, Yeah, I got a good dead. Now we
Speaker 2: got a segment.
Speaker 1: Let's segue this bad boy to the scoring. The game
Speaker 1: presented by win Bet. The name of the game is
Speaker 1: Squished the Fish. We go through and we grade the
Speaker 1: steak Star power gameplay name, and we total up, we
Speaker 1: get the average and we see where it ranks within
Speaker 1: the games that we've done already. Gary, Okay, so the
Speaker 1: stakes of this game, this is to go to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Zero to ten decimals? All right, what do
Speaker 1: you think we.
Speaker 2: Should give this?
Speaker 1: I think it's an eight point eight eight point eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very fair See that's another thing that I
Speaker 1: felt about you. You're a fair man. Yeah. This is
Speaker 1: a team that never made the super Bowl and had never.
Speaker 2: Won in this stadium in eighteen years. That's that's a generation,
Speaker 2: I think in some cultures. Yeah, that. That's a very
Speaker 2: honest answer. Great answer, because we did have potentially maybe
Speaker 2: our next president come on here and just start screwing
Speaker 2: up all the scores.
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban, we had him, Oh wow, you know he's
Speaker 1: running right now? Is he running? That's what that's what
Speaker 1: it says.
Speaker 3: I'd watch the spinoff series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he went on put everything ten and ruined
Speaker 1: the whole scoring program.
Speaker 2: So so back to star Power was his game MAVs
Speaker 2: Heat Game five. Okay, that was a great game, Dirk.
Speaker 1: Katie, Dirk second half star power in this game though, Gary,
Speaker 1: all right, So we had Dan, Andre Tippott.
Speaker 3: And Tippett Sula kind of down the middle. We've done
Speaker 3: Pro Bowls like, you know, five Hall of Famers a
Speaker 3: part of this game, right.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: I mean you had hand him, but he didn't have
Speaker 2: that star. I mean it's probably a seventy two point
Speaker 2: two very very very very fair scoring here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And gameplay, gameplay, I mean, the running game was it
Speaker 1: was extraordinary, I think for the for the Patriots. Marino
Speaker 1: obviously had a bad game throwing, so I I mean
Speaker 1: I'll give it overall in eight point zero.
Speaker 2: Eight point zero and the name Squish the fish. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean in terms of accuracy, it has no accuracy.
Speaker 2: But what rhymes with with mammal? That would or or
Speaker 2: uh camels.
Speaker 1: It's a verb. We would need a verb to do
Speaker 1: to the to the trample of the mammal. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't rhyme, that's not a that's maybe a slant.
Speaker 2: Rhyme, but that that would have never taken off. But
Speaker 2: squish the fish is very memorable. And the image image
Speaker 2: Patriot destroying the dolphin, which is I mean, kind of
Speaker 2: a hate crime when you think of how lovely the
Speaker 2: dolphin community is and and but so.
Speaker 1: One of the animals that have said for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna give it an eight
Speaker 2: point seven for the name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is our total? Eight point one seven five?
Speaker 1: Where does it stand in the games?
Speaker 3: It fits between the twenty eleven AFC Division around they
Speaker 3: can't Wait game, Jets Patriots, we did with Rich Eisen
Speaker 3: and the two thousand and seven Fiesta Ball thattually Big
Speaker 3: Game with Boise State, Oklahoma and the Super Bowl twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Company is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Love Isisen? Yeah? Julian, who is the like your closest
Speaker 2: longest friend, Like do you have any friends you were
Speaker 2: friends with in grade school. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my boy Kurt oh Man moves out here. You
Speaker 1: went out he actually he got he took a job
Speaker 1: in Boston. So like my first seven years there, I
Speaker 1: was away from all, you know, everyone out here and
Speaker 1: there he moved out there. I know he's back in all.
Speaker 1: Had a blast. Yeah, he was a and we we
Speaker 1: became friends that my mom was babysitting his older sister,
Speaker 1: you know, before we were born. We became friends like that, especial.
Speaker 2: It's great when you have I have a friend, my
Speaker 2: friend Jason her which has been friends a sixth grade
Speaker 2: and and we have these like setups to jokes forty
Speaker 2: five years old. He'll just say it name, look at
Speaker 2: somebody who looks like somebody we haven't seen.
Speaker 1: Language. You guys have a language.
Speaker 2: You have a language. Yes, that's the exact right way
Speaker 2: to put it. And it's so I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1: I'm in a text group with like seven eight of
Speaker 1: my friends from high school. Oh really, that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's we stayed pretty connected. It's a great feeling.
Speaker 2: And then also you know our generation, I play video
Speaker 2: games here and there, and that's another way for us
Speaker 2: to right on and yeah, gets at the headsets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's really cool. You know I stayed close
Speaker 1: with those guys.
Speaker 2: You know, it's great to hear.
Speaker 1: Now all your friends are your your kids friends, right
Speaker 1: so oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hold back until you Yeah we miss anything? Do we
Speaker 1: miss anything? No, we didn't miss anything. I think I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: I got across my admiration for Julian, and you lived
Speaker 2: up to every expectation I had in terms of your hand,
Speaker 2: your hang, hangout.
Speaker 1: Ability, and you're the real deal man.
Speaker 2: So don't sure you, man, I do love that plug
Speaker 2: Born on Third Base is now streaming on Max. And
Speaker 2: then my book Misfit. This is this is great. This
Speaker 2: is a great. This is an excellent podcast. I'm so
Speaker 2: honored and grateful to you had me on.
Speaker 1: So so you.
Speaker 2: Say thank you Gary, I say thank you. Julian Kyler. Yeah, Leah,
Speaker 2: sorry Lea, how.
Speaker 1: Do I forget the princess?
Speaker 2: Leah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. Well that was
Speaker 1: that was a good episode.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there for the interview, but man, y'all killed it.
Speaker 4: You know, kind of met his new best friend. They
Speaker 4: were these guys hit it all.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a fan Gary, I feel like
Speaker 2: my heart got warmer. It's very kind, nice guy. I
Speaker 2: feel like I just got shot in the heart with careness.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I you know, he he kept
Speaker 2: on giving me the eyes of like he didn't want
Speaker 2: to get I've seen his act. I've seen his act. Okay,
Speaker 2: we all know Gary Goleman. Okay, you know he's the
Speaker 2: self defeat. I saw that, and he he like didn't
Speaker 2: want to turn it on for me.
Speaker 3: Oh man, he wanted to be strong, he.
Speaker 1: Wanted me, but then it made me vulnerable.
Speaker 4: Low key therapy session for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: I felt like the vulnerability clicked together. I loved it.
Speaker 1: And as you know, we have the hot line up
Speaker 1: and running four two four two nine one two two
Speaker 1: nine zero hit me on the what is it? What's
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Speaker 4: And then there's also Pretty Ricky, a lesser known one
Speaker 4: that was a hotline. Remember that one, Pretty Ricky, Reggae
Speaker 4: Ricky and.
Speaker 2: This week.
Speaker 1: Pretty Ricky. This week we are checking our messages for
Speaker 1: suggestions on what you all think we should name the studio.
Speaker 4: We're casting a wide net here you can comment ig Twitter, YouTube,
Speaker 4: everywhere to call in of course, TikTok anywhere. I'm scouring
Speaker 4: the comments. So first and foremost, we'll kick this off
Speaker 4: with some suggestions from the comment section. First, we got
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Speaker 1: I just that just brought me back to like day
Speaker 1: Ball walking down the hallway. He always try to get
Speaker 1: you the DS nuts comment. Day Ball was a D
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Speaker 1: for the AFC Championship. I'm not trying to talk about
Speaker 1: these nuts. And then Long would get up and he
Speaker 1: was also he'd be like, hey, you heard about Jamal.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Who? Jamal? Who? Jim Olden is caking your mouth?
Speaker 4: Dude, I can't even go to Wendy's anymore with the boys.
Speaker 4: Oh you like Wendy's Wendy's nuts in your mouth?
Speaker 1: You know I would have heard. I've heard them all.
Speaker 1: What was another whatever, let's keep going on.
Speaker 4: Then glad the ed old Den from Buck Hancho that
Speaker 4: was in the YouTube comments. I like that, that's got
Speaker 4: a good ring to it. Yeah, we got the Film
Speaker 4: Room from Cole Miller three nine three four. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: little down the middle, straight line. But we do watch
Speaker 4: film in here.
Speaker 7: This film room, the house of jewels. House of Jewels
Speaker 7: is solid. That could almost just be I could apply
Speaker 7: to the the entire just little seven to one one zero,
Speaker 7: shout out little.
Speaker 4: I like that one.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of good.
Speaker 4: This bitpit is pretty good. From from Climba one point
Speaker 4: five clambers.
Speaker 3: Plan this explain the spit pit to me, like we're spitting?
Speaker 3: What's happening here?
Speaker 4: I think we're dipping baby, Oh we're dipping and spitting baby.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 1: Hey, we do not recommend this for any.
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Speaker 1: This is a p s at on not picking up
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Speaker 4: And then we Kyler and I I think all of
Speaker 4: us are in the room. Gotta gotta put our brains together,
Speaker 4: and uh the broajouts the bro joe. That's that's been
Speaker 4: used when uh Dola Dola's he used to.
Speaker 1: Call the ping pong room downstairs of his house. That
Speaker 1: was like unfinished. We've already talked about this, I think
Speaker 1: on this podcast. But it was unfinished, and I kid
Speaker 1: you not. There was probably three hundred tens of Copenhagen
Speaker 1: thrown out above gum bubble gum, and we.
Speaker 2: Would just that was the real spit pit. We'd be
Speaker 2: spitting because it was under it was unfinished. It was
Speaker 2: all cement. It was like we were in Russia, the
Speaker 2: best spitting on the walls, sweat, a little freaking bows, fucking.
Speaker 4: Speaker feet just sticking to the floor.
Speaker 1: No, we were sliding cement with like yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was a little plays.
Speaker 2: It was c but there was still there was so
Speaker 2: much dust and dirt that you would slide right on it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was fun.
Speaker 1: The wet's save the brojo. We'll save the bro jo.
Speaker 3: Got the game.
Speaker 4: We got the game room. I little little down down
Speaker 4: the middle, but this one from Amanas off the Judeo
Speaker 4: instead of the studio judio little polarized, kind of tight. Okay,
Speaker 4: uh the room where Jewels dominates in pool. Still have
Speaker 4: yet to get a dub off.
Speaker 2: Your brother, Yeah, but I've I'm not the dominant. If
Speaker 2: anyone's out there listening, I actually want to hire a
Speaker 2: pool coach.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm coachable. Sometimes I'm on and then sometimes I'm off.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm hitting it on the ball
Speaker 1: correctly or if i am some you know, like sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm dialed but he got it's too inconsistent, and I
Speaker 1: don't know my mistake from when I hit my mistake,
Speaker 1: so then I can't make a correction in my head.
Speaker 1: So pool people out there, YO, hit me up in
Speaker 1: the DMS. Need a pool coach.
Speaker 2: Is the Black Widow?
Speaker 4: As a listener, come ill, I said that last night,
Speaker 4: Black Black Widow, she rocks.
Speaker 3: But also I think the real reason this is happening
Speaker 3: because Kurt Jules's friend has been stepping his game up significant.
Speaker 3: He's been running the table.
Speaker 2: The table we split last night.
Speaker 3: Thurty boy, all right, you want to hear all right,
Speaker 3: let's hear.
Speaker 4: Something twenty four line dropping soon in Tear Designs.
Speaker 3: Guys, all right, let's let's uh, let's let's crack open
Speaker 3: some of these voices.
Speaker 1: Let's hear these voice notes.
Speaker 8: First off, Jewel, thank you for everything you've done in
Speaker 8: New England. But I see you need a name for
Speaker 8: your studio, and I think the best option for you
Speaker 8: is Edel Nuts nuthouse. So if that's an option there,
Speaker 8: you guys go with that. At least get me a
Speaker 8: shout out on air, but a jewels. Thank you for
Speaker 8: everything you've done. Man, you have been an absolute icon
Speaker 8: in New England, a god amongst men. Some will say
Speaker 8: so thank you, Julian, everything you've put on the field,
Speaker 8: everything you sacrificed for. You know, some of us just
Speaker 8: wish you were still out there trying to make our
Speaker 8: team a little bit better. But yeah, Edel Nuts Nuthouse,
Speaker 8: what you need to do?
Speaker 1: Jack, Will you stop having your friends calling.
Speaker 4: That glazing was crazy?
Speaker 3: But the real takeaway nuthouse.
Speaker 4: Nuthouse is decent. Edel Nuts Nuthouse sounds like it could
Speaker 4: be a good franchiseable restaurant too.
Speaker 1: It is kind of nuttying here.
Speaker 2: It is a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to cut into like a
Speaker 1: middle of a nut and like you were, you know,
Speaker 1: like those old like cartoons where they go in like
Speaker 1: the brain, and like you said, I don't know which
Speaker 1: one was that. There was some I don't know regards
Speaker 1: most of it like probably in the middle of or not. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one.
Speaker 4: I like that one.
Speaker 3: He didn't live one.
Speaker 4: He didn't leave one.
Speaker 1: Well, shout out to that guy that blaser. He yesked
Speaker 1: for a shout out. I can't give you a shout
Speaker 1: out here, you know.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, this is Gustal for girls about the I'm
Speaker 6: from Tekas. Gustavo's name for the studio would be the outhouse,
Speaker 6: because you're gonna talk and ship spin the ship, talking
Speaker 6: about the old ship, the new ship, every ship, all
Speaker 6: the ship. You know, fuck it. You know that's how
Speaker 6: it supposed to be. Don't when you're tired, you choulding
Speaker 6: on it, your dad or your uncle, brother son, whatever.
Speaker 6: Always it's a good place to go talk. The ship
Speaker 6: also known as the outhouse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ou house, not bad, dude, Stava bringing the heat.
Speaker 2: The father.
Speaker 1: I like this guy.
Speaker 3: That's a that's an Internet translation transcription. Don't they're not perfect.
Speaker 3: We haven't got to a final form of AI yet.
Speaker 4: I like thinking that is that it is Gustavo's father,
Speaker 4: though this guy rocks.
Speaker 2: Who's Gustava the outhouse?
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeh, out house, it's fun.
Speaker 1: Uh Gustav isn't that the guy from Beauty and the
Speaker 1: Beast gustav gustaff all right, that's another one, Gustavo's father,
Speaker 1: good good one out.
Speaker 5: Hey jewels, big fans, man, big big fan. Appreciate it,
Speaker 5: Appreciate you a lot. Recommendation for your new studio. I
Speaker 5: mean you are a squirrel squirrel man, so I would
Speaker 5: recommend the squirrel cave like bat caves.
Speaker 1: Just a thought. Squirrel cave. I like it, squirrel cave,
Speaker 1: I like it. Squirrels one living caves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little a little clunky.
Speaker 1: To but hey, Batman had a cave, we're bats leaving caves.
Speaker 2: What are squirrels living trees?
Speaker 3: Treehouse?
Speaker 9: The squirrel treehouse, squirrel treehouse. The tree we do, look,
Speaker 9: it could be if you cut like, we could be
Speaker 9: in a big tree in here. Likely all this wood grain,
Speaker 9: the lights coming through.
Speaker 1: A little holes might be onto something that will gain
Speaker 1: dash Man.
Speaker 2: All right's another one, Hey fellas, love to see that
Speaker 2: we're back.
Speaker 6: Named for the studio.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we're not calling it the Hall.
Speaker 5: Of Games and we're doing ourselves as disservice here.
Speaker 2: It spilled from New Hampshire, Love your jewels.
Speaker 1: What did he say Hall of Games? I didn't wreck.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that the Hall of Games, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Games.
Speaker 9: It's Regal, some would say to Regal, I was going
Speaker 9: to say, it's like a wing in Canton.
Speaker 1: The Hall of Games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got the boy Watch, the boy Watch.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's that's what we got, so some good stuff.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the calls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's kind of whittle it down to three and
Speaker 3: maybe put a Twitter pole or instat pole. What are
Speaker 3: you thinking?
Speaker 2: Maybe five?
Speaker 1: Five?
Speaker 6: Five?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, if it's five nuthouse.
Speaker 4: Nuthouses up there, because it's got a double meaning, because
Speaker 4: you're nutty. What did you say, edel nut nuthouse, eedel
Speaker 4: nuts nuthouse. Those would be good on T shirts. I
Speaker 4: feel like, just go nuthouse, simplify it.
Speaker 2: I like, uh, the spit pit.
Speaker 4: Spitpit's good, spit pit sneaky, sneaky good.
Speaker 3: Elden's good, edel Den. Hall of Games. You gotta give
Speaker 3: one boring straight line.
Speaker 4: We'll give them Regal the judio that's off. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: gotta give us offs in there too. All right, we'll
Speaker 4: put the Stay tuned for.
Speaker 3: The pole soon, Stay tuned for the pole. Leave comments jewels.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I like it. I like the suggestion. Just
Speaker 1: reminds me too much. Of the family Jewels.
Speaker 4: I know we've probably heard that a million times.
Speaker 1: So may every little kid. You just think they were
Speaker 1: so funny. When I first we didn't, I'd be like, Hey,
Speaker 1: my name's Julian. People call me jewels. I'm like family jewels,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, family jewels, I'm like balls, got them?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: What an episode? Thanks again to Gary. That was a
Speaker 1: fun episode. It was awesome to get to know him
Speaker 1: a little bit. And that's been another episode of Games
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