WEBVTT - Training Camp Takeaways for EVERY NFC Team 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:08.760 Welcome to NFL Daily, where Back Together Weekend isn't over 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.399 until we say it's over. We're talking practice practice with 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.280 Nick Shook. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm in Los Angeles in 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.919 my garage. Nothing I would rather be doing Shook on 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:24.239 a sunny LA day early August than going over all 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.560 the takeaways that we've learned from camp. You know, people 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.600 can't be paying attention to thirty two teams at once, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.040 so we do it for them, and we break it 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:31.480 down here. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:33.960 That is the cross that we bear. And I don't 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.880 believe you that there's nothing else that you'd rather be. Actually, 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.600 I do know, Sico, you're a sicko. We're all sick of. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.640 I love this time of year because I do love 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.320 just seeing the machinations of these teams getting put together. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.760 And there's always stuff in this first week of training 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.200 camp that surprise you. So it's Sunday Night Football. We're 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.120 doing it five straight weeks. So thank you to everyone 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.080 joining us on YouTube. Please hit that like, hit that 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.480 subscribe button, and yeah, we're gonna try to do this 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.240 each of the next four Sundays after this at eight 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.240 pm Eastern and five pm Pacific. Give us your questions 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.120 and we'll start to take them during the show. But 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.600 the setup for today, I decided there's too many notes shook. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.880 So we're gonna hit the sixteen NFC teams tonight and 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.320 Patrick Claybahn and I are going to hit the sixteen 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.800 AFC teams on Monday. And obviously much love to most 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.000 people are listening to us in their ear. We love 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.760 the podcast. I'm a podcast og. That's what I go with. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.840 But let's start with Minnesota, and let's start about the 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.000 quarterback battle with the Vikings, and we'll go NFC North first, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.360 NFC West next. I thought those had the best stories. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.040 Kyler Murray started to make his move. We shouldn't be 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.640 surprised about this shook, but I did think it was interesting. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.040 The first few days of camp, the reports were a 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.480 didn't look great. JJ McCarthy actually, you know, maybe looked 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.720 a little better, but Kyler Murray's getting way more first 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.520 team reps. And then on Saturday, Murray reportedly looked awesome. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.960 He's been more willing to push the ball down the field. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.600 And one thing I really found interesting were the notes 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.800 that they're running a lot of pistol and shotgun when 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.040 Kyler Murray's on the field, and when JJ McCarthy's on 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.760 the field, it's just kind of the same old Vikings offense, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.639 which means to me, Kevin O'Connell's already planning for this 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.680 thing to be over. He's trying to make a hybrid 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.480 Kevin O'Connell Kyler Murray offense, something that I find very intriguing. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.320 Yeah, this is not going to be one of those 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.320 instances in which a team spends a Day three pick 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:29.960 on a guy they're like, well, we'll make a package 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.079 for him, you know, we'll make up a package for 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.600 Jalen Milroe in Seattle and or we'll make a package 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.880 for Taylor Green and Cleveland. No, this is we're going 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.919 to mold our offense around the strengths of Kyler Murray 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.639 and add some wrinkles that we've never seen or haven't 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.600 seen from the Kevin O'Connell Vikings in his time there. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.519 Because we now have a quarterback suited and capable of 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.400 doing those things. That's exciting, but none of us really 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.640 surprises me because we as you and I both agree, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.639 and we've agreed for a while now, this is Kyler's job, 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.120 and it's going to be Kyler's job. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.000 And yet like Kyler does have to go out there 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.000 and do it. It is interesting to like watch how 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.320 it all goes down. And after the first few days 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.240 I was like, Okay, they actually are letting this be 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.680 a real battle. But the difference on Saturday was apparently stark, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.080 and if Kyler stacks a few days like that, I 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.320 think his willingness to go down the field is accuracy 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.720 down the field and and certainly intermedia is gonna be 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.720 what separates him from JJ McCarthy. I love hearing from 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.840 Purple Daily, and a lot of these reports they're from 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.639 the people on the ground, so I'll try to cite 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.760 where they're coming from when possible. And Purple Daily is 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.000 a podcast I listened to, and they happen to note 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.760 that like unless they're just pretending for the cameras, Kyler Murray, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.760 JJ McCarthy, they don't say one word to each other 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.080 when they're out on the field, and they're very different. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.800 Like JJ hits a throw down the field. It's not 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.880 like JJ hasn't hit some passes, although on Saturday reportedly 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.119 he was very indecisive and just did not look good. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.600 Had a really bad day when Kyler was working. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:51.760 Like. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.520 When he hits a big pass, like he's running, he's 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.800 high five in everyone. He's doing the JJ McCarthy stuff, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.280 Whereas Kyler, like, he's just not that guy and he's 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:02.920 not going to pretend to be that guy. I don't 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.240 think it matters if he's gotten Jordan Addison in, Justin 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.200 Jefferson and the whole group, Juwan Jennings there down the field. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.640 Yeah, That's what was kind of funny and stuck out 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.920 to me from our Back Together weekend coverage on Saturday, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.520 as I'm sitting here monitoring and Stacy Dale's is in Egan, Minnesota, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.359 you know, with Vikings, and one of the things that 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.520 she noted was that Kyler's quiet, and that's exactly who 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.960 Kyler has always been. He's not a raw, raw guy, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.039 but he's gonna, you know, make a difference on the 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.039 field with his play. So you could twist it or 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.920 at least kind of pitch it as, oh, well, he's 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:34.600 just a professional. He's just doing what he knows he's 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.400 supposed to do. That's just who he's always been. And 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.200 I really don't think that that part is going to 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.000 matter as much as long as he can be successful 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.120 on the field, which I think he will be. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.240 Love everyone that's watching right now, Let's love Justin Jefferson, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.239 who has become pretty expert over the last few years 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.520 answering difficult questions of like which quarterback you know does 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:54.280 he like playing with? 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.679 And right now we just don't know who's the number 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.200 one guy. So it's just all about having communication and 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.279 connection with both of the guys until further notice. So 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.680 coming out here and just getting work with both of them, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.400 talking to both of them, making sure you know, we 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.400 all understand and being on that same page. So yeah, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.919 it's a lot of connection talking and just building on that. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.920 He's too smart to say anything that's going to get 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.440 him in trouble, and just just something we're watching there. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.800 I'm excited to see this is going but the pistol 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.720 and Kevin O'Connell and how they're going to use the 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.400 running game, like very intrigued by that. I think their 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.960 running game could be better because Christian Darisaw, their left tackle, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.000 reportedly looks way healthier this year. He is all Pro 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.960 upside and has not been himself for two years in 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.000 a row, got hurt, missed most of twenty twenty four 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.400 and even at this time last year, like was just 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.440 a different guy. Was clear he wasn't one hundred percent 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.760 missed some of last season and wasn't great when he 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.520 was out there. So that's great news for them, and 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.640 I think that's really going to help Kyler Murray, assuming 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.760 he's the quarterback. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:54.839 Got some other little things. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.120 I noticed There was a package that they had out 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.240 there at practice where Caleb Banks their first round pick, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.359 and Dominique Orange, Big Citrus, and then rookie Kenny gold 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.480 Day all in one package as rookies, an intriguing like 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.080 young group. Brian Flores usually doesn't like to play rookies, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.719 but I think gold Day, especially at linebacker, is going 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.440 to play. Some talk that Ivan Pace might not even 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.880 make this team right now, partly because of what Jake 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.880 gold Day could do, but interesting kind of the youth 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.720 movement there at a pretty veteran Leyden defense, well, I 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:27.160 think that. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.279 You know, when they selected Golday in the draft, I thought, God, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.560 that's perfect because he is one of those more athletic 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.240 type of linebackers that will work perfectly in this sub 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.280 package dominated world that we live in now. But also 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.920 the exotic defense for Brian Flores. So to see them, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.760 you know, getting a lot of their rookies out there 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.240 in the same package. I think that could be a 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.960 precursor of what's to come this year. Is they you know, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.480 spent the offseason trying to get deeper, and you know 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.880 they were limited cap wise, So I'm excited about what 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.719 the potential is for that. And I'd like the fact 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.520 that you brought up Christian Darris on the idea of 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.720 elevating the running game because you're creating more space, right. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.920 But at the same time, I think that the pis 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.440 involvement is really important here because think about the Ravens 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.160 when they were with Greg Roman back in the day 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.360 and Lamar Jackson's mobility. Kyler is not quite the same 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.040 type of guy, but it was hard to predict where 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.720 they were going to attack you on the ground. You 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.680 could do the same thing with Kyler and the pistol 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.840 in this offense and that running back room, which is 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.800 headlined of course by the return of Aaron Jones, but 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.600 you also have Jordan Mason, Demon Claiborne, Xavier Scott. I 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.840 don't care that they're not necessarily the biggest names, because 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.160 if they're unpredictable, it's gonna be that much harder to defend. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:25.520 So I'm up. I'm high on the Vikings. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.480 Velvet Thunder ninety four asked would Nick Shook beat Kyler 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.640 Murray at Matten Shook famously a gamer kind of works 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:32.360 for Matten. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.360 I'm gonna say yes, Yeah, you're going to be confident. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.000 I also like the question asking if Koc can't make 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.000 it work with Kyler, like how many shots as it 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.240 a quarterback will he realistically get? So it's a good question. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.000 I think there's a world where this season goes horribly wrong, 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.240 where Kevin O'Connell doesn't look great, But I think understandably 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.800 everyone in Minnesota is a big Kevin O'Connell's supporter, even 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.080 though I think criticism would get there if for some 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.720 reason they won six or seven games in a tough division. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.200 I think he has a longer rope than that. So 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.040 my answer would be one more quarterback after this, let's 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.360 go to the Bears. We got to pick it up. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.560 There's a three way battle there at left tackle. It's 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:17.480 Braxton Jones, it's Jedrick Wills, it's a Keeme a Magadaje 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.160 like who's in the mix too, So three way battle 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.360 there that could possibly be their left tackle. I've noted 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.280 that Roma Dunze looks healthy at camp. Everyone watching says 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.040 his foot looks great. That is huge news for them. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.160 It's a lot of Khalif Raymond, who came from the 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.360 Detroit Lions with the starters, which to me is no surprise, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 like I expect him to be their number three receiver. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.080 They also have a rookie Xavion Thomas who is in 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:41.360 the mix. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.040 Kyle Manungai is their backup running back and is out 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.880 right now with an injury. Doesn't seem like it's anything serious, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.440 but he's been out for three straight days, and they're 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.800 really emphasizing the two minute drill. They noticed that they 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.680 were great at the end of games, but were horrible 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.520 in situations at the end of the first half. So 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.440 Ben Johnson has really been emphasizing that. Not a lot 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.960 of screaming headlines out of Chicago, which is good this 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.040 time of year. It means things are on track in general. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.760 Maybe the thing that's most talked about with the Bears 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.240 is like, how are you going to handle the increased expectations. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.120 Ben Johnson got a variation of that question this weekend, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:17.920 but with Caleb. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.960 I don't know if you saw this, but Liam Cohen 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.080 of the Jaguars said he it's very easy to motivate 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.080 his players because nobody ever talks about them. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.040 All he ever hears about is Caleb Williams. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.160 I'm curious what you think about another coach throwing his 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.920 name out there and whether you're dealing with the opposite 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.520 situation here of hammering to your guys not to believe 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:37.960 the hype. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.760 Well, we're the number one regression candidates, so I think 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.000 we got plenty of motivation ourselves. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.200 We talked about Caleb in the past. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:46.920 He's used to. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.520 Handling a lot of attention, so I'm not worried about that. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:50.920 Oh. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.480 I love Ben Johnson. He's always ready. Is he reading 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.400 Barnwell's articles? Because Barnwell is the regression candidate guy he 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.599 does that article. I'm trying to think where specifically, and 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.760 if I'm in that room, I'm honestly gonna ask that question. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.880 He probably wouldn't answer it because he either reading FDN 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.480 fantasy like the Almanac that we had Aaron shots on 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.760 about it, or he's thinking barn what like he's into 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.560 the advanced numbers. If he's saying we're the number one 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.520 regression candidate. Also, I like that Liam Cohen is just 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.120 blabbing again and getting it mad. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.199 Yes, thank you. Like what is it with Liam? 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.000 I know this is the NFC podcast, but what is 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.760 it with Liam Cohen just just prodding other coaches, just 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.960 talking trash all the time. Well, that was just like 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.960 a that was a stray fired at the Bears. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.640 We might we might bring it up on Monday's show. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.760 But the clip is hilarious. Actually, he actually asked a 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.520 radio host to bring up NFL dot Com as they're 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.920 on air. I like that he's thinking about NFL dot 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:51.800 Com as kind of, you know, the ultimate media covering 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.920 the way. What the hell it's respect what he's like, Oh, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.200 you'll just find forty pictures of Caleb Williams there. We 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.520 have a question from Small's HD asking is Kyler Gordon 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.959 hurt again? Yes, that is one of the injuries at 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.640 Bears camp to keep an eye on. He has not 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.480 been out there at all. TJ Edwards, their linebacker, also 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.680 has not been out there. But to me, Kyler Gordon 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.320 is a bigger concern because he's just been hurt way 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.559 too often in his career. Let's go to the Lions, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:25.160 where on Sunday they signed Devin White. I was like, man, okay, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.280 is that a bad sign for the linebackers that they 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.320 have right now? They're starting, you know, middle linebacker, of course, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.320 is Jack Campbell, who's been a great young player for them, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.600 and they're gonna they got him locked up long term. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.679 And then on the weak side it's Derek Barnes who's 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.800 not always been there, or Malcolm Rodriguez. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.959 So now guys maybe playing a little out of position. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.079 But it turns out I think this signing was more 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.680 about this fourth round rookie Jimmy Rolder, who has a 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.640 serious injury and I think is gonna miss a lot 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.400 of the season, and so they're given Devin White, the 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.360 old Super Bowl MVP candidate for the Bucks, a chance 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.600 over there just for a little bit depth a lot 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.560 of defensive questions I think for the Lions. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.040 Yeah, yeah, And this is a team that's learned the 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.400 importance of depth over the last few years. I think 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.200 it's kind of held them back and in their pursuit 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.679 of a Super Bowl. But I think this is also 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.280 just about trying to build out this linebacking corp post 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.760 and this is crazy Alexandeloni, who they lost in free agency, Like, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.800 you gotta fill it with another veteran, did you know? 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:21.160 Greg? 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.439 And this kind of flew under my radar because he 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.520 played for the Raiders last year. Devin White finished third 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.960 in the NFL and tackles last year, played all seventeen games. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.480 He had a terrible PFF grade, but he finished third 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:32.400 in the league in tackles. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:33.800 Now there's that is. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.880 Wild chose not to trust the tackle numbers. But Jamal 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.480 Adams Devin White still getting jobs out here in twenty 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.000 twenty six coming off that Raiders run that they had. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.440 Other than that, I just like hearing Sam Laporte is 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.040 not just out there healthy, but he's out there making play, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:53.040 So that's great. Jamir Gibbs is holding in, and our 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.040 insider Ian Rappaport said the talks for Jamir Gibbs's extension 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.719 not quite as active or close as Jon Robinson contract talk, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.839 So not sure what that means, but I think these 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.360 two dudes are rightfully trying to reset the market and 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.559 it could be a while. And I am noting that 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:13.679 Sioni Vaki is splitting with Isaiah Pachecko, And yeah, if 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.520 you're in fantasy leagues. There aren't many running backs that 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.200 looked worse than to me. All respect to Isaiah Pachecko, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.120 who's been better than I ever would have expected, but 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.360 he was not great last year. So if you're telling 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.480 me you had a young player got a little more 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.920 juice in his legs, like, wouldn't shock me if Sioni 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.840 Vaki is the guy to pair with Gibbs and like 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.200 Gibbs can only carry the ball so much like this 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.400 is gonna be a run heavy offense. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.640 It's just something to watch there. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:39.400 Yeah. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.520 I don't mean to knock on Pacheco either, but I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.480 vividly remember sitting at one of the chief Super Bowls 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.319 with a fellow you know around the NFL NFL dot 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.080 com writer Kevin Patra, talking about Pacheco's running style, and 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.760 we both looked at each other during that game. I 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.160 think this might have been Niner's Chiefs in Vegas, and 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.959 we're like, God, he's fun to watch, but he's not 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.160 gonna last long. So the idea of him not look 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.200 I think that there's a shorter shelf life on his 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:05.920 career because of his style of play. I would be 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.920 slightly worried about depth with the Lions. With that considered, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.319 but Gibbs is going to get done eventually. It's got 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.800 to get done. He's one of the key parts of 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.400 his team. I'm not worried about these holdings. There's a 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.400 few happening around the league too. Lead two lead below 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.400 two for the Chargers is another one. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.960 But yeah, depth is an issue, including at the edge 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.440 spot where Derek Moore, their rookie that they're county on 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.320 to do a lot, is getting evaluated for an injury 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.400 that was a Sunday injury. We're taping this Sunday evening, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.120 so we don't know much about that. We'll see Greg 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.560 Dortch right now. Is their wide receiver for according to 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.760 people at practices like little thin there. And then we 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.000 have a question that ties in with something I wanted 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.120 to talk about Jamison Williams and just asking how important 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.120 he's going to be and Drew Petsking's offense. I think 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.200 like this is the year to take a big step 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.760 for Jamison Williams. He's gotten better each and every year. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.320 And my answer to that question is massively important and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.600 so far, the most consistent report for what it's worth, Chuck, No, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.240 it's early, is that he has just been awesome at practice. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.120 And he's a guy who's been more of a body 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.480 catcher throughout his career, and that looks more natural now 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.040 as a hands catcher. And I think you could really 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.640 have two ones with aman Ra and him, and then 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.160 a top ten tight end in Laporta and Gibbs. Like 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.200 you are cooking with gas here. I still might take 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.600 that skill position group about over just about any in 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.360 the entire NFL, even if the depth is an amazing. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.800 Yeah, you know, if you're choosing guys to make the 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.160 leap or breakout or whatever it might however, you might 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:34.040 you know, describe it. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:35.120 James and Williams. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.880 I think is fairly safe bet because he is a 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.480 guy whose trajectory has just steadily climbed over his last 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.880 two seasons. He's increased in receptions, targets, yards, games played. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.040 It seems like he has moved past some of the 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.280 immaturity issues that he showed earlier in his career, and 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.480 he's a wildly talented player. You don't spend a first 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.520 round pick on that guy for no reason. So I 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.840 love the idea of them having two number ones. This 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.560 is all still going to build out of how they 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.280 can establish the ground game and how they can protect 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.240 Jared Goff. But all those things they can figure out, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.440 which they didn't figure out very much or very well 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.720 last year. If they can figure all that out, then 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.360 it's going to be an excellent situation for both JMO 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.880 and I'm on ross Aint Brown. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:10.480 Get it. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.000 Got a comment here that Isaiah Pacheco is going to 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.160 be an all time naming some dudes guy in a 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.680 few years. Yep, thank you to everyone who checked our 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.520 little Easter egg random drop in the feed. I enjoyed 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.560 doing that, and that's a good call. Isaiah Pacheco is 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:26.400 going to be one of those guys. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:27.120 Let's go to the. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.120 Packers, where Tucker Craft is back at practice, not only 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.200 not on the pup list, but literally out there, not 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:39.040 doing everything at practice, but way more optimistic this early 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.840 in camp. Let's listen to Matt LeFleur talk about his 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:43.280 tight end. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.400 I think he did a great job. I mean not 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.320 wasn't shocking to me. I think we're obviously taking a 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.040 slow with him because he's such an important player to us, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.680 But yeah, I think he handled everything great. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.720 Tuger said that he set up personal goal of being 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.000 back for the joint practice with the Cardinals. 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.080 Is that realistic from the team's point. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.200 Of view, Yeah, I would say so, But I mean 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.880 he's he's going to hit all the benchmarks along the way, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.400 and if that's the case, and absolutely. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.679 Love hearing that, love seeing that sounds like a contract 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:16.600 is coming. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.960 Soon, and that just builds on. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.760 Really the only big note there wasn't screaming headlines out 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.879 of Packers camp to me, was just Jordan Love looks 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.520 in total command, like he is that dude right now, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.320 and he is dicing up their defense a lot of 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.920 the times. Matthew Golden very involved. He is clearly their 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.679 ex receiver. Jordan Love like says he's that they're not 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.360 messing around with any competition, like it's all Golden all 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.040 the time. But that's probably been the most interesting thing 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.480 I think out of their practices so far is just 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.720 hearing like Jordan Love looks extremely comfortable in that system, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.920 and to me, he is a nice little dark horse 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:53.880 MVP candidate. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:55.879 I think this is the best case scenario for the 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.160 Packers at this stage, you know, early stage in camp, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.719 because you know, just despite how much momentum they had 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.000 after acquiring Michael Parsons, at the start of last season 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.040 and how high. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.639 We were on them for a while last year. It ended, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:08.720