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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump has been fined for

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Speaker 1: contempt of court.

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you.

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Speaker 1: Senator Tammy Duckworth stops by to talk to us about

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Speaker 1: IVF and Democrats trying to protect it. Then we'll be

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Speaker 1: joined by Sarah Bird Sharps, who is the senior director

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Speaker 1: of research for every Town for Gun Safety, to talk

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Speaker 1: about Tennessee's horrifying new law which puts more guns in schools.

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Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the Mary Trump Show,

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Speaker 1: the one the only Mary Trump.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, my friend and.

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Speaker 1: Yours the only good member of the entire Trump family,

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Speaker 1: Mary Trump.

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Speaker 3: Well, my kid's pretty awesome, that's say.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, all right, okay, I'm so sorry. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good points. Yes, one of the few.

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Speaker 2: Members it's you know, she's like a unicorn. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this trial that is going on,

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Speaker 1: the Trump push money trial. I mean, it is what's

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Speaker 1: so interesting to me. And we've talked about this before,

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Speaker 1: and like, I think we could pull this back to

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Speaker 1: but you know it really is true, Like this is

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Speaker 1: the first time the guy has ever been held accountable

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, yeah, in any serious real way for sure.

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Speaker 1: And like as you're watching it, I mean you are

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Speaker 4: But also like, I am so sick of your uncle.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine how sick of him you are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually word about that yesterday. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I am so tired of him. I'm tired of every

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Speaker 3: aspect of being right. I mean, even if you were like.

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Speaker 1: A normal political candidate, which isn't I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: like a not very smart guy who's somehow managed to

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not a genius. He just sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And I don't mean this in an ad hominem way.

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Speaker 2: He's grotesque, right, No, he's definitely grotesque.

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Speaker 4: But I mean like the fact that he's managed to.

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Speaker 1: Capture the zeitgeist well and then just bang us over

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Speaker 3: Right, and that gain that's the point it's because it's

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Speaker 3: people he subjects us to and will subject us to again.

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Speaker 3: You know, imagine Stephen Miller being head of the Department

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good point about I would love

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Speaker 2: Behave in such a way as to ruin themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's almost to a person, and it's also

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Speaker 2: It is this leaziest.

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Speaker 2: Only do I have the tens of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: And that's what he's going to do you know, Donald

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't understand why, Like you can't

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Speaker 1: Right, this is Trump really was, you know in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: And that sort of happened with Trump saying that Biden

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Speaker 9: You know that this is a dangerous play for Trump

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Speaker 2: Joe, and here is Trump actually sleeping.

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Speaker 4: He broke his foot.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole thing about how he broke his foot,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that the media it's time

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Speaker 3: So we really need the force estate to step up.

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Speaker 1: Last week it was like yet another week of the

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Speaker 3: I think that these trials, and we've talked about this,

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Speaker 3: trials they take, they're taking a toll.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trapped there.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a choice, you know, he can have

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Speaker 2: They're so bad for you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. So we need people to see that. We

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he got this is coming out on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: But on Tuesday, Trump got yet again sanctioned.

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Speaker 4: For more gag order violation.

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Speaker 3: to see given the fact that the judge gave him

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Speaker 3: So we need to keep that. That kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: fanatics are held bent on destroying American democracy in order

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Speaker 2: Well you know for the last two hundred plus years.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, for sure.

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Speaker 3: It's not a goal.

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Speaker 5: It's a process.

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Speaker 3: It's organic, it's living, and we need to keep fighting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's because so many malign forces are lined up.

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Speaker 2: To assist him, right, say more about that.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Duckworth is the junior Senator from Illinois. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Senator Dockworth.

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Speaker 5: It's good to be Ellen. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm always a fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: This IVF thing is a topic that I cannot stop

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Speaker 1: thinking talking about. Where are we right now with IVF

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Speaker 1: protection in the Senate?

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Speaker 5: Well, I have the best IVF protect action bill that

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Speaker 5: I brought up with unanimous consent, which is a way

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Speaker 5: that you can pass legislation here where if nobody objects

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Speaker 5: to it, you pass it and then it can go

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Speaker 5: to the House to be voted on. And after all,

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Speaker 5: my Republican colleagues said that, oh no, they supported IVF.

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Speaker 5: They stood up and opposed, and in fact, one of

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Speaker 5: the reasons they gave for opposing my IVF bill was

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Speaker 5: that they were afraid that I would allow for the

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Speaker 5: creation of human animal chimera babies.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, yes, our senator is saying this, right, This is

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Speaker 1: a senator saying this.

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Speaker 2: Is it Tommy Tuberville though.

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Speaker 5: No, no, is City Height Smith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, all right, that tracks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're going to get a vote on the floor.

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Speaker 5: So Leader Schumer has agreed that he's going to bring

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Speaker 5: a vote to the floor and it's going to be

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Speaker 5: the Protect IVF Act. And basically, the bottom line is

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Speaker 5: all we're looking to do is just create a statutory

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Speaker 5: right to access IVF if you want to have IVF.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't force a meaning to get it. It just says

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Speaker 5: if you want to get IVF, you can. And it

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Speaker 5: says that doctors that want to offer IVF services have

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Speaker 5: the right to offer IBF services regardless of the state

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Speaker 5: that they live in that they practice in, and that

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Speaker 5: health insurance companies have the right to cover IVF services

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Speaker 5: if they want to offer it. So it doesn't actually

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Speaker 5: force anybody to seek it or offer it or provide it.

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Speaker 5: It just says we have a right to do so.

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Speaker 5: And that will be coming up to the floor for

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Speaker 5: a vote. Right now, we're working on FAA reauthorization, and

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Speaker 5: too far into the summer, we'll have a vote on

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Speaker 5: protecting IVF. And let's see how many Republicans who say

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Speaker 1: So IVF, all of this IVF banning, legislating, and regulating

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Speaker 2: When did you encounter this?

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Speaker 1: Because I sort of know where I was when I

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Speaker 5: So I started talking about the potential danger for access

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Speaker 5: to IVF back in twenty fourteen, Wow, because Queen fourteen,

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Speaker 5: I was going through IVF and I was a congresswoman

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Speaker 5: a fertilized egg being a person with person would rights.

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Speaker 5: At back point in time, my doctor and I had

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Speaker 5: pregnant for the first time. And he said, hey, these

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Speaker 5: five eggs we were able to fertilize, three are non viable.

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Speaker 5: If I were to put them in you, they would

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Speaker 5: cause a miscarriage. So the best thing we can do

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Speaker 5: fertilized eggs. I could be charged as a doctor with

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Speaker 5: my god, this is not just about abortion, This is

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Speaker 5: that when you have a state Supreme court like the

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Speaker 5: one in Alabama makes a decision that you know, fertilized

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Speaker 5: it means that even though they haven't banned IVF, it

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Speaker 5: means that essentially they have because doctors are not going

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Speaker 5: affects more than just IBF. It also affects birth control

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Speaker 5: devices like IUD that prevents implantation of fertilized.

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Speaker 5: The morning after pill. And by the way, all of

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Speaker 5: Stackey the Supreme Court, we got to a point where that,

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Speaker 5: we're in a world where states have all these different laws,

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Speaker 5: and many of them have all sorts of laws now

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Speaker 1: It is so incredibly insane. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: that did it. We saw immediately that these doctors, you know,

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Speaker 1: how much doctors do not want to lose their licenses

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Speaker 1: Governor k Ivy indemnify them from killing embryos, which again,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's so important and meaningful because what

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Speaker 1: she was saying was not embryos aren't people.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, it's okay in this case, right.

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Speaker 5: Right, but our future governor could change their mind that point.

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Speaker 5: They're just saying, oh, yeah, you're still killing a person

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Speaker 5: when you discard a non viable fertilized egg. We're just

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Speaker 5: not going to prosecute you. Well, Alabama was the first

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Speaker 5: day where the Supreme Court said that Forliz's egg is

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Speaker 5: a human being. You should know that Louisiana has already

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Speaker 5: and you have a frozen egg or for you know,

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Speaker 5: some frozen eggs, not even embryos in some cases, So

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Speaker 5: you have embryos, you have you know, the different stages

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Speaker 5: and ga meet and before that is just have FARIZEDX.

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Speaker 5: You can't just guard any of that in Louisiana. So

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Speaker 5: now is that chowderbased because I've kept a fertilized egg

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Speaker 1: Right, No, you could theoretically be considered a murderer by

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Speaker 1: letting a frozen embryo be discarded, even a.

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Speaker 5: Non viable one. And Texas Right for Life who wrote

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Speaker 5: the Texas bounty laws that lets people sue the uber

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Speaker 5: driver who drove you to the airport so you could

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Speaker 5: catch a flight to Illinois to get an abortion. The

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Speaker 5: people who wrote that law have on their web page

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Speaker 5: that you know they're neutral. They can get to neutral

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Speaker 5: on IVF only if the woman agrees to have every

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Speaker 5: fertilized egg implanted, including the non viable ones that would

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Speaker 5: cause miscarriages. This is where we're going in this country.

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Speaker 1: So you would have to have a non viable egg

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Speaker 1: implanted if you wanted to have IVF, even though the

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Speaker 1: non viable egg would then be miscarried and might cause

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Speaker 1: you to miscarry the viable embryos too.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Or if you knew that you had in my case,

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Speaker 5: three non viable eggs and you don't want to jeopardize

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Speaker 5: your one viable egg, you would be forced to implant

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Speaker 5: one non viable egg at a time and go through

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Speaker 5: three miscarriages.

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Speaker 2: Jesus.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, that's expensive, not otherwise it is devastating,

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Speaker 5: but it's also every procedure is incredibly expensive and hard

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Speaker 5: on the body, with all of the drugs you have

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Speaker 5: to take and inject in all that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it feels like it's set up in a way

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Speaker 1: to make things as unpleasant for women as possible. When

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Speaker 1: you read the Heritage Foundation, I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: got on their twenty twenty five site, but it's the

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Speaker 1: stuff of nightmare fuels.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole sort of.

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Speaker 1: Thesis about how why isn't IVF regulated? These are the

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Speaker 1: people who don't want to regulate anything. But they're like

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Speaker 1: IVS can cost one thing in one parts and other

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Speaker 1: and other parts. And why isn't there greater regulation for IVF?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't this seem so nakedly misogynistic. Aren't

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Speaker 1: you sort of shocked by the hypocrisy? You probably aren't,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just curious what your take is.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean there's a hypocrisy, but there's also

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Speaker 5: science denial as part of it. And well, my bill

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Speaker 5: that says you'd have the right to access IVF says

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Speaker 5: that the IVF that is provided must be what is

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Speaker 5: accepted medical practice, not experimental stuff, not you know, human

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Speaker 5: animal camera expected. But that's what they bring up. And

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Speaker 5: so when when you see things like Heritage Foundations saying

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Speaker 5: that you need to regulate IVF because it will be

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Speaker 5: the wild broad West, that is really science denial of

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Speaker 5: where the science really is today. And frankly, you know,

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Speaker 5: women's most intimate health decisions should not be up for

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Speaker 5: debate in every state and they should not be decided

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Speaker 5: by extreme right wing judges and science denial, and frankly,

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Speaker 5: you know we're being dragged back to laws at one

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Speaker 5: hundred and sixty years old in some states, and we

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Speaker 5: really do need to pass legislation that provides a natutory

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Speaker 5: right for women to have access to IBF. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know it is there is definitely a misogynistic aspect

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Speaker 5: of this, where women can be trusted to make their

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Speaker 5: own health decisions. When you start with IVF, where do

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Speaker 5: you go next? Do I start to have to go

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Speaker 5: and get my husband's permission to take an aspirint? Is

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Speaker 5: that what's next?

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Speaker 2: That is sort of what's next? Right?

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Speaker 1: I listen to two really insane Supreme Court decisions this session.

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Speaker 2: You'll remember that after.

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Speaker 1: Jobs, I think it was Justice Roberts who said that

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Speaker 1: now they were done with abortion. Two years later they

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Speaker 1: are not done with abortion. You had m tala. Can

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Speaker 1: we talk about that? Because so this is this emergency medicine. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration is suing Idaho because Idaho has got

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Speaker 1: these women who are you know, dying of miscarriages and

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Speaker 1: having to be flown out of the state because Idaho

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Speaker 1: won't save their lives. Were you sort of shocked by

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Speaker 1: that decision? Probably not because you're used to this insanity,

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious what your take is.

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Speaker 5: I'm not shocked by it. Unfortunately, this is what happens,

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Speaker 5: you know, And again this goes back to what republic

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Speaker 5: has been working on for decades, which is overturned protections

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Speaker 5: ro Vy Wade what Donald Trump worked very hard along

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Speaker 5: with Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans to basically steal Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court seats. This is what the Supreme Court justices who

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Speaker 5: lied to members of the Senate right well, who said that,

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Speaker 5: oh no, I'm not going to gut Roe v. Wade

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Speaker 5: and then turn around and did exactly that. This is

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Speaker 5: where you end up. And I live in Illinois. I'm

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Speaker 5: surrounded by states where women are being told by doctors

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Speaker 5: you need to go sit in your car outside at

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Speaker 5: the emergency room and bleed out a little bit more

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Speaker 5: until you get to the point where you are nearer

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Speaker 5: to death before I can work of you. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: and look in my state, we welcome women and we've

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Speaker 5: trusted them to make their own reproductive choice, and we

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Speaker 5: welcome doctors who want to move from these other states

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Speaker 5: to Illinois. But this is really bad for women, especially

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Speaker 5: lower income women in these states that are losing these doctors.

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Speaker 5: You're seeing obgui ns flee literally fleeing these states like

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Speaker 5: Louisiana and Alabama and Texas.

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Speaker 2: And Florida, now Tennessee and.

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Speaker 5: Tennessee, and you're going to see, you know, women in

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Speaker 5: these states not have access to basic health share.

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Speaker 1: We just talked for a second about this science denihilism,

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Speaker 1: which does seem to really be an enormous and important

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Speaker 1: thread in this Republican party. You know, it's been sort

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Speaker 1: of latent through the Bushiers. You know, it's not out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, but it does strike me that COVID really

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Speaker 1: helped it along. Like these people did not come out

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Speaker 1: to COVID being like thank God for vaccines.

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Speaker 5: No, no, but it goes back right with the science

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Speaker 5: of denial. This, this does go back. But where we

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Speaker 5: are today is really when it comes to women losing

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Speaker 5: their rights to reproductive health care, making their own reproductive

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Speaker 5: healthcare decision. This begins out of the abortion and the

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Speaker 5: anti abortion movement. And frankly, if you go back and

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Speaker 5: you look at some of these groups, they've always said

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Speaker 5: that they would go after IVF, but they didn't want

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Speaker 5: to talk about it because first and foremost they wanted

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Speaker 5: to go after abortion. And you know, call themselves pro

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Speaker 5: pro life. How can you be pro life and be

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Speaker 5: against a procedure like IVF that helps people to create life.

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Speaker 5: And you know, when Alabama, when that state Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: decision happened, you saw interviews with women who and you know,

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Speaker 5: they were asked questions like, well, who did you vote for?

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Speaker 5: You know, Oh, I'm pro I'm pro life. Of course

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Speaker 5: I voted for that joke, you know, so of course

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Speaker 5: I voted these legislators and I voted for laws to

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Speaker 5: end abortion. But and yes, I believe that, you know,

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Speaker 5: for LiF's acreci human being. But why are you preventing

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00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: me from getting my IVF? They're very disconnected from the

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Speaker 5: science behind it. It's like, well, this is the logical

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00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: next step from what were you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Abortion has always been a controversial issue, right, There's always been.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's more it's now more popular than it's

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Speaker 1: ever been because it was taken away. But IVF is

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Speaker 1: wildly popular. There's no one, I mean, former Vice President

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence had IVF right, So, you know, like they're

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Speaker 1: trying to get people against something they aren't against.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this will work? And also what do

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Speaker 2: you think the thinking here is?

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Speaker 5: We're at a play. This is basically an anti choice

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Speaker 5: monster of Republicans' own making because they were going after abortion,

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Speaker 5: and they became more and more extreme. Sixteen week bands,

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Speaker 5: twelve weeks ban, six week bands for Liz's egg as

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Speaker 5: a human being, So a complete ban, a complete band

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Speaker 5: isn't enough. So for Li's egg has to be a

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: human being, you know. And I've been warning that IVA

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00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 5: would be next for you. And this is what Republicans

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00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: have gotten us to. And frankly, it's a far cry

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Speaker 5: away from the justice and reproductive freedom that all families deserve.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not surprised that we're here. This is just

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: the next logical step. And I don't think people understand again,

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Speaker 5: this is a science portion. I mean, I had a

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Speaker 5: miscarriage in one of my IVF cycles and I had

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Speaker 5: to have a DNC in order to be able to

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Speaker 5: clear out my uterus in order to start my next

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Speaker 5: IVF cycle to have my daughter. Now who's you know,

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Speaker 5: who's six years old. But I would not have been

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Speaker 5: able to do that if I were living in one

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Speaker 5: of these states that had these total bands. Were where

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Speaker 5: we are because Republican politicians jumped on the anti abortion

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Speaker 5: bandwagon without fooling understanding where it was going to get to,

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Speaker 5: or in some cases maybe they did and this was

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Speaker 5: always their goal. But frankly, ultimately this is because of them,

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Speaker 5: and this is because of Donald Trump where we find

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Speaker 5: ourselves today. Thank you, Senator Dockworth, Thank you for having

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Speaker 5: me on.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Bird Sharps is the senior director of research for

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Speaker 1: Every Town for Gun Safety.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Sarah.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, and thanks so much for your interest in

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Speaker 11: this really important issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is kind of the most important issue.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's about to sort of say that it's hyperbolic,

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Speaker 1: but I actually don't think it is. I actually think

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Speaker 1: it is the most important issue. So we're talking about

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Speaker 1: school shootings and keeping kids safe in school, and you

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Speaker 1: have a plan to keep kids safe in school. Let

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Speaker 1: me guess that it doesn't involve arming the children and teachers.

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Speaker 11: That would be correct.

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Speaker 4: So tell me talk to me about what that entails.

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Speaker 11: So I'm going to start out by kind of setting

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Speaker 11: the stage by saying that if more guns made us safer,

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Speaker 11: the United States, with more guns per person than any

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Speaker 11: other nation, would be the safest country in the world.

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Speaker 11: And instead we have a on death rate that's thirteen

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Speaker 11: times higher than our peer high income countries. So to

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Speaker 11: my view and based on you know, a lot of

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Speaker 11: research on this, arming teachers is not the answer.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about what the answer.

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Speaker 11: Is, sure, and sort of more generally, we need to

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Speaker 11: focus on intervening before a gun gets into the school, right,

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Speaker 11: because we've already failed if somebody has brought a gun

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Speaker 11: into a school to do harm, and so the arming

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Speaker 11: of teachers is really way too late to be trying

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Speaker 11: to intervene in this situation.

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Speaker 4: How do you do that?

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Speaker 11: So the first thing is to understand sort of who

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Speaker 11: these shooters are so that you can then begin to

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Speaker 11: think about what you know would prevent them. And one

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Speaker 11: thing is that most shooters are a Kurner, former student

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Speaker 11: from that school. And I think that the Department of

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00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 11: Justice did a stunding study over a couple of decades

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Speaker 11: and they found that nine to ten school shooters over

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Speaker 11: many many years were a Kerner, a former student. So

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Speaker 11: when you understand that, you understand that some of the

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Speaker 11: solutions that have been proposed are just completely unrealistic and

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Speaker 11: in fact sometimes even dangerous. So you know, these really

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Speaker 11: expensive metal detectors and all the bulletproof glass and all

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Speaker 11: of these things, and even the drills only worked the

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Speaker 11: extent that the former or current student knows exactly what

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Speaker 11: the protocol is and what's happening at what time and where.

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Speaker 11: So that's that's really an important thing to understand. The

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Speaker 11: other thing about knowing that it's a current or former

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Speaker 11: student that really makes arming teachers much more complicated is

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Speaker 11: that you're asking a teacher to convert themselves into some

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Speaker 11: kind of you know, sharpshooter in the face of somebody

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Speaker 11: who they may have taught or they knew, you know,

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Speaker 11: over many years. It's unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I also think like the teachers don't

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Speaker 1: become teachers to kill students exactly.

658
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Speaker 11: And in fact, you know, all of the sort of

659
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 11: the National Education Association that all of the member or

660
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 11: organizations of teachers in this country pose it but pose

661
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 11: arming teachers, and that's you know, tens of thousands of

662
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 11: teachers in this country. It's not what they signed up for.

663
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a terrible idea.

664
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: One of the fundamental things that I'm struck by is

665
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: this idea, if you have a gun in your house,

666
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: you're significantly more likely to be shot by accident, Right,

667
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean, guns just don't seem to protect in.

668
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: The way that their pr tells us they.

669
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 11: Do absolutely, And you know, we track on intentional shootings

670
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 11: and they're happening every day in this country. People are

671
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 11: getting you know, shot and killed or killing themselves or

672
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 11: injuring themselves every day from a gun that was not

673
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 11: securely stored. Particularly children. There's a you know, many Americans

674
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 11: don't realize that nearly once a day in this country

675
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 11: a child gets their hand on an loaded, unlocked gun

676
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 11: and shoots themselves or someone else. So, you know, the

677
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 11: message there is it's on adults to have the responsibility

678
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 11: to keep the guns locked up, securely and securely stored.

679
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 11: And that relates to schools too, because seventy percent of

680
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 11: the guns that come into schools with a shooter came

681
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 11: from the home of a parent or a close relative.

682
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 11: So the solution is not to have more guns on

683
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 11: more people in the schools. It's to make sure that

684
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 11: the homes are places where guns are not accessible to children.

685
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: But one of the things I'm hoping you can talk

686
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: about is they need to raise the age to buy

687
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: automatic weapons.

688
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: Can you talk about that?

689
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 5: Sure?

690
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 11: And some states in this country have a minimum age

691
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 11: requirement that requires either handguns or lung guns or both

692
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 11: not to be able to bought unless you're eighteen or older.

693
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 11: Many states don't, and those laws are proven to be

694
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 11: hugely impactful to prevent people who shouldn't have their hands

695
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 11: on guns people are too young. Twenty two states have

696
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 11: raised the minimum age for purchasing firearms and.

697
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: Are those blue states?

698
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 11: Many of them are.

699
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: Yes.

700
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 11: Federal law requires a person to be twenty one to

701
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 11: purchase a handgun, but only eighteen to buy a long gun,

702
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 11: including an assault weapon.

703
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: So insane.

704
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, very conservative, trumpy Supreme Court. Last year

705
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: there was a case where they fought with New York

706
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: State about New York State's stricter gun laws.

707
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that?

708
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: Sure?

709
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 11: So, I think you're talking about Bruin, right.

710
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Bruin. Yes.

711
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 11: So, I mean basically, what a number of states, including

712
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 11: New York State, want is to be able to make decisions,

713
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 11: to have some discretion about whether somebody who wants to

714
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 11: buy a gun should be able to buy. The Supreme

715
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 11: Court said, nope, you know, if you can fulfill the

716
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 11: requirements and you don't have any record of mental health

717
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 11: prohibiting or a felony or a domestic violence restraining water.

718
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 11: There's no discretion in there, and they took that away.

719
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 11: Many states, the states that are impacted, including New York State,

720
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 11: have tried to find other ways to protect us. When

721
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 11: sort of one door closes, you know, we're trying to

722
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 11: open other doors to figure out what are what can

723
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 11: legally be done, you know, to reduce the you know,

724
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty gun desks a day in this country,

725
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 11: every day, day after day.

726
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I talked to Chris Murphy about this topic and I was,

727
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit despairing, and he actually said, no,

728
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: there's real progress being made, and it's organizations.

729
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 4: Like yours that are doing it.

730
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: So can you talk to us about what the sort

731
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: of reasons to be hopeful here?

732
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 5: Sure?

733
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 11: And I am really hopeful. And I'm not generally given

734
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 11: to be a cup hip full kind of person, but

735
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 11: I am generally hopeful. One reason I'm hopeful is that

736
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 11: young people give me a lot of hope. They are

737
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 11: the generation that has grown up with you know, school

738
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 11: shootings and lockdowns and constant drills and all of these things.

739
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 11: It's impacting them in a in a profound way, and

740
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 11: they've decided to raise their voices. They're talking to legislators,

741
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 11: they're doing research, they're walking out of school rules. They're

742
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 11: really organizing to be able to change this. And that's

743
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 11: one thing that gives me hope. A second thing that

744
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 11: gives me hope is that there have been laws passed

745
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 11: in the last year, important laws that are safer, including

746
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 11: secure storage laws in a couple of New states that

747
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 11: didn't have them before, which you're holding gun owners accountable

748
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 11: for not locking their guns securely. And those laws are

749
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 11: some of the laws that research shows are the most

750
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 11: promising that really protect young people from suicide, kids from

751
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 11: getting guns that they bring into schools and cause school

752
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 11: shootings and more. And so you know, to me, those

753
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 11: laws immediately the minute they're signed can start to save lives.

754
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: Do you think that, like the holding the parents accountable

755
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: what happened there in that shooting, do you think that

756
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: is actually helpful?

757
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 11: It's extremely helpful. It reminds every parent, nobody, including that

758
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 11: family you know, wanted to go through the horror and

759
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 11: the trauma you know that has turned and that family

760
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 11: upside down forever, right, as well as the families of

761
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 11: the victims right. Seeing that in the news, I have

762
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 11: no doubt that other parents realized, oh, you never know,

763
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 11: we need to lock our guns securely. It's an extremely

764
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 11: important incentive, a reminder that is a basic responsibility of

765
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 11: a gun owner, and responsible gun owners know take storage seriously.

766
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: And do it.

767
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 11: You know, most gun owners store their guns securely. Unfortunately

768
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 11: millions don't. Many households have multiple guns in them, and

769
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 11: people think that, you know, they're going to keep one

770
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 11: gun out for self defense. There is a guarantee that

771
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 11: any children in that house know exactly where that gun is.

772
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 11: It's in some states criminal and in every state highly

773
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 11: highly irresponsible.

774
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: What are the kind of things legislators should be doing

775
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: to help dissuade people from having guns in their house

776
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: or having them unsecured.

777
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 11: So I would say it's not about having guns in

778
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 11: your house, it's about all of the ways that we

779
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 11: can make sure that guns are being stored securely, but

780
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 11: also that if anybody is in crisis around those guns,

781
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 11: that something is being done. So I think one of

782
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 11: the laws that's extremely promising and that many states now

783
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 11: have and every state needs to have, is extreme risk laws,

784
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 11: and those laws empower families and law enforcement to act

785
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 11: on warning signs if somebody that they love is in crisis,

786
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 11: including for instance, well anybody, somebody who's having suicidal crisis,

787
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 11: somebody who's saying things that worry them in any way.

788
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 11: So twenty one states have these extreme risk laws. Research

789
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 11: is showing that they're incredibly important for having families have

790
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 11: something that they can do. And when you talk about

791
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 11: school shootings, you know what's really clear is that kids

792
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 11: give off many warning signs. In fact, the Secret Service

793
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 11: did a study over a decade and they found that

794
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 11: one hundred percent of school shooters shows some sort of

795
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 11: concerning behavior in the lead up to it, and seventy

796
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 11: seven percent of the time at least one other person

797
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 11: knew right.

798
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: And it's probably really more.

799
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 11: Probably more right. So in that case, the whole chain

800
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 11: of events and there's multiple moments at which somebody could intervene. Unfortunately,

801
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 11: too often it doesn't happen. And I would say this

802
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 11: is for me, another really important point is one of

803
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 11: the reasons that it doesn't happen is because kids don't

804
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 11: have an adult in the school in too many cases

805
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 11: that they feel that they trust, that they feel comfortable

806
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 11: confiding in and why is this. I think one of

807
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 11: the reasons is because teachers are carrying guns and schools

808
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 11: are becoming like fortresses with you know, metal detectors and

809
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 11: bulletproof this, and it really erodes the trust the kids need.

810
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 11: And for me, you know, as a parent, the most

811
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 11: frustrating thing after these horrific shootings is when you the

812
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 11: media interviews kids and they found that so many of

813
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 11: the kids in the school knew that the kid was

814
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 11: in crisis, that the kid was being abused or bullying,

815
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 11: that the kid had a gun, and they were putting

816
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 11: photographs of it on social media, but yet no adult

817
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 11: was alerted to this, And that, for me, is one

818
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 11: of the most important school based actions that we can

819
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 11: do to reduce school shootings is to create a trusting

820
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 11: and nurturing school climate instead of a fortress with the

821
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 11: school official town and guns. It's antithetical to what we're

822
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 11: trying to do and to the solution that more.

823
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: Money for mental health.

824
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, is it more money for schools, is it

825
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: money going to different places?

826
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: I mean, what is the plan?

827
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 11: Yes to all of it. Certainly more money for mental

828
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 11: health counselors, better training for mental health counselors, a better

829
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 11: ratio of mental health counselors to students. Also, more training

830
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 11: of the whole school, everybody, all the staff in the

831
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 11: school to understand warning signs and to think about, you know,

832
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 11: how to create a nurturing and a tru trusting in

833
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 11: school climate and school environment. So yes, and you know,

834
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 11: less money going to very expensive high tech solutions that

835
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 11: actually are not proven to work. They ciphe in money

836
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 11: off of our underfunded schools in the first place. They

837
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 11: create an environment that's intimidating and that does not breed trust.

838
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 11: And they're particularly bad for kids of color because in

839
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 11: those schools and in those situations, you know, implicit bias,

840
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 11: you know, tends to implicate them. So it's even further

841
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 11: sort of unhelpful.

842
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: When you look at school shootings, they are largely an

843
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: American phenomenon.

844
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: They happen in other places, but we have the most Is.

845
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: That because of the guns, or is it because of

846
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: the culture, or is it because of both? And there

847
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: is for sure a lot more pushback than there once

848
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: but and still very much a fact of American life.

849
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 11: It's a fact of American life because of the guns.

850
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 11: There's not more mental illness in this country than our

851
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 11: sort of peer other peer countries. The rate of mental

852
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 11: illness is pretty much the same. There's not more you know,

853
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 11: pressure or bullying in schools, you know, adolescence bully one another,

854
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 11: Like that's certainly something that happens, you know, in every country.

855
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 11: It's you know, more guns per capita than any other

856
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 11: country in the world. We have three hundred and fifty

857
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 11: billion guns in circulation in this country. In fact, only

858
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 11: Yemen comes close to the guns personnel Yemen's country, and

859
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 11: Yemen has been in a civil war for a decade.

860
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely the same.

861
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: Yemen is not a country in a great place right now.

862
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 4: So the idea that Yemen in the United States are

863
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: tied is probably not great.

864
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, like what should Americans be

865
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: doing on guns? If you're just a sort of casual

866
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: but exasperated listener, what do you suggest people do?

867
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 11: There's I think a lot of things that people can

868
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 11: do sort of. First of all, gun owners can make

869
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 11: sure they're locking their guns, storing their guns securely so

870
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 11: that's locked, unloaded and separate from the ammunition. Second thing

871
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 11: is parents when they send their kids over to somebody

872
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 11: else's house for a playdates. Just have the conversation with

873
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 11: a parent, do you have any guns and if so,

874
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 11: are they locked securely? Then you avoid that tragedy that

875
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 11: is so preventable of kids getting their hands on a

876
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 11: loaded gun. So that's kind of our actions. The second

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Speaker 11: thing is to really engage with your school to make

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Speaker 11: sure that they're doing the things that the facts show

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Speaker 11: really make a difference and not spending resources and money

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Speaker 11: on things that traumatize kids and that harm them and

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Speaker 11: that don't make a shooting incident less deadly. And then

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Speaker 11: the third thing is to support lawmakers who understand that,

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Speaker 11: you know, common sense gun laws are not about taking

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Speaker 11: guns away. They're about keeping us safe and keeping our

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Speaker 11: kids safe in this country. So those are extreme risk

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Speaker 11: laws and secure storage laws sort of top of mind,

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Speaker 11: and other laws as well. Thank you so much, You're welcome.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now moment perfectly, Jesse Cannon, Molly John Fast.

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Speaker 5: This interview in Time magazine is really getting a lot

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Speaker 5: of people scared.

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Speaker 2: What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Trump did an interview with Time magazine which is just

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Speaker 1: terrific and includes a lot of really scary plans for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. If he is able to get elected,

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Speaker 1: including detention camps US military at both the border and

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Speaker 1: inland national abortion bands. He would let Red States monitor

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Speaker 1: women's pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bands. He

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Speaker 1: would at his personal description withhold funds appropriated by Congress.

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Speaker 4: According to top.

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Speaker 1: Advisors, he'd be willing to fire US attorney who doesn't

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Speaker 1: carry out his orders to prosecute someone. Basically, it'll be

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Speaker 1: like every bleak dystopia mashed up together, and that guy

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Speaker 1: is pulling very well, and that is our moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds

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Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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