1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: The Giants Little Podcast has brought to you by psc 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: and G Energy Efficiency for game time and anytime, visit 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: p SEG dot com slash Giants for discounts, rebates at 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: home energy assessments. It's time to get inside the Giants 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Huddle on giants dot Com were going on the Giants 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: of the Giants podcast. Networks are welcome to the Giants 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Huddle Podcast. Today we got coach Tom Coughlin. We're talking 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: about your book, Coach, A Giant Win. Why did you 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: why don't you decide to write this? Well, we're fifteen 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: years out, okay. And uh, Greg Hanlon who was the 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: writer with me, He and I were talking and we 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: thought that, in my opinion, this is the greatest Super 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Bowl win of all time, the greatest upset of all time, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: without a doubt. And when you look at where we 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: are as a country COVID recessions, We've all been on 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: our butts before, We've all gotten knocked down and had 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: to get back up. But this is a book of hope, 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: it's a book of inspiration. It's a book where uh 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: quite frankly, uh and oh six the media would run 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: the head coach out of town. Uh didn't know whether 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: it was gonna they were gonna bring us back or not. 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: And when we did, uh, you know, we had some 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: things we had to address and put back together. Uh so. 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: But but it's a good book in that we are 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: very reflective, and we talked about people, We talked about players. 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: We talked about one game, super Bowl forty two, which 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: is again, uh, you know, a tremendous, tremendous football game 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: which we won. We weren't supposed to win. Nobody gave 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: us a chance to win. I love that about uh, 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: whether it be our New Yorkers or in this case 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: it was Fox. You know, the Fox people who had 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: the game. Not a one of them ever ever picked 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: us to win, not even in Tampa. Not in Tampa, certainly, 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: not in Dallas. Dallas beat us twice, certainly not in 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay minus twenty four degrees and uh and uh 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: our quarterback and one of our receivers acted like it 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: was eighty degrees out there. Ball was flying around. Nice spiral. 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how you did it. I really don't. 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I still don't. I went out pregame with no gloves 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: and nothing on my ears. I couldn't. I didn't know 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: how I was going to get back inside. It was 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: finally uncovered from that. There was a few spots up 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: there that I know they quite have, but that's the 44 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: way it goes. And it was it fun to go 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: back and and you know, watch some of the film 46 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: of that season and just you know, see see kind 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: of how it all worked out and how we even 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: made the playoffs in the in the first case. Yes, 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: it was because I had a chance. You know, Greg 50 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Handlon would ask me questions and I, Greg, I gotta 51 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: look at tape. I can't tell you the answer to that, right, 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: So I go look at the tape, you know, And 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: I killed me that I couldn't run it back and forth. 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that, you know. I was, 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I was. I was on a computer. You couldn't rewind it. 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't run back and forth. I didn't have that 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: set up, which I should do something about that. But 58 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: but anyway, I had a lot of fun looking at 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: the tape and of plays and and I'll never forget 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: that third and eleven with you and Steve Smith and 61 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: how you went. You saw what was happening defensively, and 62 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: you trusted that kid and he caught the ball, you know, 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: a normal flat row five yards deep, and he made 64 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: the first down just you know, scooted out of bounds 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: across the stick. It was third and eleven and he 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: made it, and you went right to him. There was 67 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: no hesitation on your part and it was like, holy cow. 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I remember watching the live elive. We we gotta get 69 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: eleven yards out of this now, we can't be thrown 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: into boom. He got it. You know, I figure it 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: was four down territory at that point. You were probably 72 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: if you get six seven and you know what you thinking, 73 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: no doubt. But he did a great job. Like said, 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: we got a little pick with the Monti tumor, and 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: he did a great job of going getting that first. 76 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: You'd hate to have a fourth and two or fourth 77 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: and one right there, and you know, fourth and one 78 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: would have been better than fourth and two. I'll say 79 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: that right now. That was But I do remember the 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: one thing, and I remember listening to the telecast and 81 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: they had Troy Aikman and Joe Buck and Troy saying, 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: I think this is the right call. Remember when we 83 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: went we went forward on fourth and one or I'm 84 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: thinking about are you serious? You think we're going to 85 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: give the ball back to Brady at this point in 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: time and think we're gonna get it back. So I 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: had some fun with that myself and the season. Uh, 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot that went on even before 89 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: the season training camp. It was, you know, Michael straight 90 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: we didn't you know he we kind of knew he 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: was coming back. He was like, I don't know may 92 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: more than I did. Well, I figured, you know, he 93 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: was just fifteen years He didn't want to go to 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: training camp. He didn't want he didn't want to go 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: to training camp. He just wanted to come a few 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: weeks later and you know, and come and play some 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: football and play some games. And he did. He walked 98 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: in the right at the end of camp. Remember, and 99 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, how we're gonna get this guy, 100 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, and and in contact shape in order to 101 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: make sure that he you know, because he had what 102 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: was it an Oh eight or No. Six he lost 103 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: the season with it was a pack I think. Yeah, 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: So he was gone and we surely did not did 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: not want that to happen again. But it worked out 106 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: for us. And you know, I kept in touch with 107 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: him all the time, and I never I remember exactly 108 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: what I said every time when it was over. I said, 109 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, we'd love to have you back, but come 110 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: back if your heart's in the right place, because we're 111 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: gonna need that out of you at this point in time. 112 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: And by god, he did. And also that year, you 113 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: hired Steve Spagnola to be the new defensive coordinator, and 114 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: he comes in and right off the get go, it 115 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: wasn't a smooth transition into the into the first into 116 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the first game of the season, and the first two games. 117 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: What do we give up seven two games from my 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator. But but the thing about it was 119 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed even the way Steve corrected, you know 120 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: he did. He did a really an excellent job because 121 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: he he was even as he was making corrections. He 122 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: never ever put anybody on an island. You know, he 123 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: never are the size to the extent that you know 124 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: that someone would go pout somewhere. You know, he didn't 125 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: do He didn't coach like that. And uh and that's Steve, 126 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, and he's still like that today. But yeah, 127 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: that was our start. We gave up eighty points and 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: we were definitely uphill and then we go to Washington 129 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: and we're down at halftime. You know, there's no there's 130 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: no change there. And then we take the lead them 131 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: and we get you know, I still I look at 132 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: that third and thirteen. Remember that third and thirteen at 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: the plus twenty one, they go to the one yard 134 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: line and they rushed down and clocked the ball. I'm 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: thinking you've talked to We've gone over that scenario so 136 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: many times. There was something we as a as you know, 137 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: as a team and as our offense, we were to 138 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: go over that scenario. Something we learned about not cocking 139 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: it right there, not wasting don't waste it down right there. 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're precious. If all of a sudden 141 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: something happens, you know, you're getting the touch situation. We 142 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: always had our sequence, and so we knew exactly what 143 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: our sequence would be. You know where where the past 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: comes in based on you know, your time out, how 145 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: much time you had, how many times out you had, 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: and uh, you know they had obviously rehearsed it because 147 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: they clocked it and then they threw their play action 148 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: pass and we knew that was and then they without huddling, 149 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: ran the same play twice to the left side, Kavica 150 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: Mitchell Penetrates makes the first tackle, Aaron Ross makes the 151 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: second one. We win the game, and that that sent 152 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: us on our way. We were the elation in the 153 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: locker room. Um, we're going to win sixth straight, one 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: six in a row right there, and we're in a 155 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 1: good position. And then and then we hit a little 156 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: a little patch where we weren't playing great football and 157 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: four down then uh we went four and four in 158 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: the second half, you know, and we probably should have 159 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: won twelve games that year instead of ten. But we 160 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: kept people hanging and uh, you know, we kept we 161 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: kept coming back, we kept getting off the floor. And 162 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: then we go to Chicago. We had a big down 163 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: and down and the fourth core in Chicago, we gotta 164 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: have two big drives, uh, and go down there and 165 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: score and take the lead and win that game. That 166 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: was a big That was a big win. Force just 167 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: showed our depth too, because Ward end up making a 168 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: great contribution that night, you know. And then buff Buffalo 169 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: was a interesting game. It was. It was probably the 170 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: worst weather game I have ever played in in my 171 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: life anything. I mean, it was it was rain, it 172 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: was sleet, it was snowing, it was cold, it was windy. 173 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was I think I dropped. I couldn't 174 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: catch the shotgun snaps. They were moving so much. We're 175 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: fumbling shotgun snaps. I think in the second half, I 176 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: way through maybe two or three passes, and we're down. 177 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: We were down. We're down four nothing right away, right away. 178 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: And and nobody scored going into the wind, right nobody. 179 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: Everything had to be the wind at your back. But 180 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: I'll remember that too, because it was. It was. It 181 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: was rain, it was sleet, it was hail, it was snow, 182 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was forty mile winds, and it was 183 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. Yeah, and we got when you look, 184 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't know whether you noticed this or not, because 185 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: I never paid attention until that big storm that just 186 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: occurred a little bit ago. And they showed exactly where 187 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: Orchard Park is, right at the tip of Lake Erie. 188 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: So if it's coming, the snow is coming off the lake, 189 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: they're going to get the maximum of it. And that 190 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: proved true true that day for sure. And that game 191 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: was interesting because going into it, we knew if we 192 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: win this game, we're gonna secure a spot in the playoffs, right, 193 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: and we have two games left. So if we win 194 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: this game, we're in. But we also know next week 195 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: we got the undefeated New England Patriots, who were playing 196 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the NFL probably you know, 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: might be the best team or were the best team 198 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: at that moment going in. So we're kind of saying, hey, 199 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: we need to win. We need to win this week. 200 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: You know it's not wait until next week. You have 201 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: to play those guys. And second half random ball mod 202 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: Bradshaw hits the eighty yard running power I believe, and 203 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: just him he had to win in his back he 204 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: went fast, he was running fast. And then so we 205 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: win that game, and we secure our spot in the playoffs, 206 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: and that next week there's a lot of questions about 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: whether we were gonna play the starter, We're gonna play 208 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: that final game of the regular season, knowing we had 209 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: already secured a spot. What went through your thinking that 210 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: week about how you went to handle that? Well, as 211 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: soon as that game was over and we got back 212 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: here the next morning, I sat there in my office 213 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: and I started to really think about it, because the 214 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: questions came right right after the game. You know, they 215 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: don't they don't even it's like all right, here's what 216 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: we ask if they do win, you know, and it's 217 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: all about you're gonna you're gonna rest anybody, and that 218 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: that always bugs me. So I got in the office 219 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: and I thought about it, and I thought, you know, 220 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm a historian, and I don't And you know, here 221 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: we are the New York Giants, okay, the flagship team 222 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, the Red, White and Blue. 223 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: It's never gonna be said that we didn't put our 224 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: best foot forward, that we didn't try to win. And 225 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: so when I came in the next day and I 226 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: told you guys about it, you guys were great. You 227 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: were ready to go, and you made the same kind 228 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: of commitment and for the right reason. So we and 229 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: it was a Saturday game, you remember it was the 230 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: game was a Saturday. We so we had our preparation. 231 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: We were gonna put our best foot forward. We're gonna 232 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: do the best job we can. We had a team 233 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: coming in here that was averaging thirty six or thirty 234 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: eight points a game. You know. Uh, after sixteen games, 235 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: Brady had thrown fifty touchdown passes, Moss had caught twenty three. 236 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, they were they were an unbelievable. They had 237 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: a big back, they had a guy catching the ball, 238 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: but they had it all. They had tight ends. It 239 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: could catch the ball over the middle, could run well. 240 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Remember in the Super Bowl we got the pass interference 241 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: calling the end zone. So I mean, they were the 242 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: real deal. And they were fourth on defense. They were 243 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: loaded on defense too. They they they had great people 244 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: back and forth. They had their pass rusher Davis Thomas 245 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: on the right side. So we, you know, and we 246 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: go out and we play, we play hard. We're leading 247 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter in that game, and the television 248 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: audience is going nuts because you know, they're they're trying 249 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: to get the sixteen and know we're trying to win 250 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: eleven games, you know. And they get the big play 251 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: to Moss at the end of the game and they 252 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: they beat a thirty thirty five. But I still remember 253 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: I walked off behind I was walking behind the center 254 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: what was his name, Boston College kid, Yeah, and I 255 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: heard him say a couple of things like these guys 256 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: are these guys are for real, you know kind of thing. 257 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: And so I knew as we all did that that 258 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: we could play with him. And that was a nice 259 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: way for us to go into and and we It 260 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: wasn't without cost, now, you know, because the first things 261 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I had to answer Kavica, Mitchell and the m c 262 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: l and Shawn and he didn't and he didn't play 263 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: the first game. You know, he don't know how those 264 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: guys did it, but they get his playoffs. They got 265 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: back for the second one. But the first one, Gray 266 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Gray came in. Remember rug Rugemer played pretty well, played 267 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: pretty well. Our first quarter wasn't very good in Tampa, 268 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: but then then we got going and uh, but that 269 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: game and the John Madden phone call, that's I played 270 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: for you guys. That'll I'll never forget that. I'll never 271 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: forget walking in and seeing that light on about five 272 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. The next morning, Sunday morning, there 273 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: it was and it was John Madden saying, you know, 274 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: and he was emotional. They said, Tom, I just Thomas, 275 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: John Madden, I just want you to know what you 276 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: and your team did last night was the greatest thing 277 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: that's happened in the National Football League in the last 278 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: ten years. Because we play to win. We are game 279 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: is the most competitive sport known to man, and we 280 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: don't rest our players. We don't we play to win. 281 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: We owe it to everybody, and it was a shining 282 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: moment for the NFL. I hope they get it. That's 283 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: that is exactly how he said it. I hope they 284 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: get it over there, what you just did for the 285 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: National Football League and for our reputation. And John said 286 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: his voice was cracking. He was he was emotional. And 287 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: when I played it for you guys, I hope that 288 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: mental as much to you as it did to me. 289 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: Uh uh. And then we jump right into of course, 290 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: we were everybody picked us to lose the Tampa so 291 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: we were right back in good company again. And I 292 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: think it gave us a lot of confidence, at least 293 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: from the offensive standpoint, playing that game versus new and 294 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: we had not played real well offensively, you know, we 295 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, we found ways to win some games, but 296 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: just weren't playing complete games. And all of a sudden, 297 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: from the first series, he came out, hit plex, going 298 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: a deep post and and and played well, scored points, 299 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: scored well in the red zone, and you know, felt 300 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: a little short. But I think going into Tampa and say, hey, 301 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: we can be a good offense. You know, we can 302 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: protect the ball, we can run it. We got poxical burst. 303 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: We gotta money Tom or Steve Smith was coming around. 304 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: As offense, we can we can be productive and we 305 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: might not go score forty every game, but we can 306 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, control the ball and shortened the game and 307 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: our defense can play well. And so I think it 308 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: it kind of gave us, uh, definitely daved some you 309 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: know confidence. And going into Tampa, I think we knew offensively, hey, 310 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: we're not going against a powerhouse offense in Tampa. They 311 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: weren't scoring tons of points, behad they were good on defense. 312 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: So we went in saying, you know, we gotta you know, 313 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: don't make it easy for their offense, don't turn over. 314 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: And we hit a bunch of you know, ran the 315 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: ball well, hit some back shoulders stuff to Plexico and 316 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and we're able to go down there and win that game, 317 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: which which was big. And then for the big you know, 318 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: going to Dallas um would be our third we already 319 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: lost to him twice twice. Uh. And there was something 320 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: that happened and whether you know, you even know how 321 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: you found out about about some tickets on their in 322 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: their locker room. What what was that story that was great? 323 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: That was a great story. Triggs found out for me. Yeah, yeah, 324 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: Triggs were just sitting in the team meeting when I 325 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: talked to I said, where's Triggs? And he goes in 326 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: the back when he found out, and so he came 327 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: to me, and I remember I didn't make a big 328 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: deal about it, but I made sure you guys knew that, 329 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, fellas, maybe maybe we shouldn't play this game, 330 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe Dallas has just jumped ahead of us. 331 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: There they're on the way. Jerry put two tickets up, 332 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: I know it NC Championship game and they're on there 333 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: because they were gonna host it if they win, they hosted. 334 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: So he covered everybody's you know, stool in the locker 335 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: room with the two two tickets to the NFC Championship game. 336 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: So we kind of let it be known. And I 337 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: don't think it's that very well with us. And we 338 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: took the ball if you remember now, it was what 339 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: what was the forty six seconds? We were on a 340 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: minus thirty when we started, and you drove the ball 341 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: right down the field. Had big play the boss, you know, 342 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: money contributed, Yeah, and we drove right down the field 343 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: and we scored right before the half and it was 344 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: ten ten. Then they were never the same. Whatever took place, 345 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: we shook him when we drove at the length of 346 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: the field, because I can tell you this, and I 347 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: took great pride in this too. There have been times, okay, 348 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: when we've had more time than forty six seconds, were 349 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: we've kind of looked at the first play or something 350 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: and say, ok, yeah, yeah, let's see how we're gonna 351 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: do And we've done things and then not done things. 352 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: And I've walked in the locker room and I get 353 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: a look from one of the maris, one of the owners, 354 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: like what do you do it? Crazy? You know? Yeah, 355 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I get that look, and I want to attack them, 356 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to. But in this game, 357 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: forty six seconds and of course in today's game, I 358 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: meant seconds. Kansas City score. I mean I kidded Andy 359 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Reid even about that. That's a whole different story. But yeah, 360 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: we drive it down to score and they're not the same. 361 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: We're not the same. Now they are on our what 362 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: twenty yard line going in at the end of the game, 363 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: and we do it. We do a really great job 364 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of controlling that, and then our w quarters intercepts the 365 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: ball in the end zone, and I should I should 366 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: have give Romo a little grief about that, because I 367 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: saw Romo a few years later. He did was give 368 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: me that look. Never said hi. I didn't say hi 369 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: to him. I didn't shake his hand, he didn't stick 370 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: his hand out. He just gave me that look. I 371 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: should have reminded him of that. And then obviously the 372 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: next week go to Green Bay, negative twenty four degrees, 373 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: and all they wanted to do was talk about how 374 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: cold it was going in and um, you know, and 375 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: and they were obviously good Brett Farve and Lambeau at home, 376 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: and you know that all the everything and everything was 377 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of stacked against us, and the odds were against us. 378 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: But uh, plexico burrs. They played. They played a lot 379 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: of press man to man, just up in your face, 380 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: and we we threw what we called fade stops. And 381 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: so if he got over the top, I throw a fade. 382 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: If you didn't get over the top, I was on 383 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: back shoulder room. They played off. He ran a hitch route, 384 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: and we just kept we kept doing different versions of 385 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: one time I looked that way and I went and 386 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: hit the Monti tumor down the left sideline actually, and 387 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: he you know, got two feet in which he was 388 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: always great at keeping his feet and knowing where he was. 389 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 1: And uh, and we found a way to get that 390 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: win over to a couple of times. What about times 391 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, you know he missed, he missed too any 392 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: do you think about not sitting him out for that 393 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: that last field goal? I sure did. But here's the deal. 394 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: In the first half, I slid up next to him 395 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: and I said, uh, Lawrence, can you make a forty 396 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: six yard field goal? He turned around and walked away 397 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: from it. You never even would answer, You wouldn't even answer. 398 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: Of course, the ball. I don't know how you threw it. 399 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: The ball was like a rock. It was hard as 400 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: a rock, It was slippery, it was freezing cold. You know, 401 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: if you got to snap one little bit off, if 402 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: you were up under the center. It was tough. It 403 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: was really tough. But the way and I and I 404 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: always give Plexico a lot of credit because today he 405 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't get away with half of what he gets away 406 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: because he was he did a great job physically. I 407 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: mean he you know, at the top of the route, 408 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: he might just knock you out of the way and 409 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: catch the ball. And they let him, They let us 410 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: play in those days, it was a lot different. Of course, 411 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: they'd knock you out of bounds and when you get 412 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: called to you know, and so it kind of went 413 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: both ways. But but that day, um, as you know, 414 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: because you put us in position, we were in great position. 415 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: Uh once with a field goal try that he missed, 416 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: and we're even closer, and we got a bad snap, 417 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, we had a bad snap and it was 418 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: uh you know, and so we really didn't make an attempt. 419 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: It was a kick that went off to the to 420 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: the side. So in this situation, you know, they get 421 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: the ball. The first play, fire throws Corey Webster, who 422 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: had great hands. You know, he could have been a 423 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: receiver if we needed a guy to play in that position. 424 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, he had great hands. He catches the ball 425 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: and runs it back to thirty four, thirty six somewhere 426 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: like that. We don't make an we don't make it. 427 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: We don't make a yard. We don't make a yard. 428 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: So now it's fourth down. I just stepped back and 429 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: watch the kicker and he drops his cape and runs 430 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: out there. I l field goal, field goal, field goal. 431 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: So now we go out on the field and the 432 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: coaches are in my ear oh, coach, don't do that. 433 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: What if we miss it? Look where in the field 434 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: position where they'll be. I don't pay any attention to 435 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: these guys. Out they go, and he could have made 436 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: it from fifty five and he hit the heck out 437 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: of that one. Boom and uh and we we went 438 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: and have some more chicken super whatever it was we 439 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: were drinking because it was colder than cold and hot 440 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: chocolate and we had chicken broth or something. Yeah, and 441 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: it tasted good. And so we go obviously go to 442 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: Arizona for the Super Bowl and uh not, you know, 443 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: kind of the first time we played him in the 444 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: regular season, high scoring, you know, you know, back and forth. 445 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: This one a little bit different. We we started off 446 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: well with a we had a long drive. We had, 447 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: you know, about a eight or nine minute drive to 448 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: start the game, end up getting a field goal, but 449 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: really good start. Just in our minds, let's keep Tom Brady, 450 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: let's keep him, keep him on the sideline, let's shorten 451 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: this game, shorten the possessions, and and we were able to, 452 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, do that. There weren't many possessions in the games, 453 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: especially in the first half, and basically comes down to 454 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: we had to lead the fourth. They took it over, 455 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: but we got We got the ball with two minutes 456 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: left to thirty nine. What was going through your mind 457 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: to thirty nine? I watched your eyes when you left 458 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: the sideline. You you were in a hurry to get 459 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: out there and get you know, be in position to 460 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: win the game. Uh. And I was really exciting probably 461 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: two and exciting it. And when the when the when 462 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: the play came up, When the Tyree play came up, 463 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking almost right at you, and Mike Carry is 464 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: just behind you, and I'm thinking, there's three guys had 465 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: a hold of you, three guys. I don't know how 466 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: you did it. You wiggled, wiggled, wiggled, and dropped the 467 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: shoulder and came roaring out the other end. I was 468 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: worried Mike was going to blow the play debts and 469 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I was Mike, don't blow this dead. Let's give him 470 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: a chance, give me a chance, give him a chance. 471 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: And then the ball goes down the middle of the field. 472 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: And my next thing is, oh, man, don't overthrow this 473 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: e line in the middle of the field. And Tyree 474 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: came back. He runs a post. He's coming back to 475 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: you and he goes up with two hands and catches 476 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: that ball. And I say it all the time. It 477 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: takes me off when people start telling me about Lucky 478 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: and all that crap. It wasn't lucky. That was a 479 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: great play because he when he got his arms stripped 480 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: away by Rodney Harrison, he had one hand left and 481 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: the only way he could support it was if he 482 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: pinned it to his helmet, and he did that. Next 483 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: thing Harrison did was go down and cut his knees out. 484 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're play in the backyard, somebody goes 485 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: across your knees, the ball is going out, You're you're 486 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: just gonna drop the ball because you're your self. Preservation 487 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: takes over. He hung onto the ball and here he 488 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: is laying on the ground. He still wouldn't give it 489 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: to him. They were still trying to knock out of 490 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: his hands even after he was down. And then you know, 491 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: I took the time out so we could get everybody 492 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: back up the field. But boy, what how did you 493 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: guys feel on the field when that happened. When when 494 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: that play was made, you shouldn't know. You didn't know 495 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: if he really caught it or not. We were trying 496 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: to run down there. Hey, maybe we should spike it, 497 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: but we had to call it time out. It was 498 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: just too much time. And so and I'm going up 499 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: to David asking him, like, David, did you did you? 500 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: Did you catch it? And he said, yeah, I caught it. Like, David, 501 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: don't lie to me. I remember I've asked Plastico many times, 502 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: like did you catch it? He's like, yeah, I caught 503 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: And you see the replay and it bounced like three 504 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: times before he got to him and said, don't lie 505 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: to me. He says, I promise you I caught it. 506 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: Ball never touched the ground, and so you saw and 507 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: then you saw it on the replay, and you know 508 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, when I thought the 509 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: fans like I knew we were gonna win at that 510 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: point in like, oh, I didn't know. We still had 511 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: to go score a touchdown. We still needed thirty five 512 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: more yards. Had big play, but we still had to 513 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: get some We had a couple of third down hit 514 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Steve Smith over the middle, hit Steve Smith on the 515 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: on the sideline, and eventually they finally came out and 516 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: played all out blitz and had plexico one O one 517 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: six six eight corner, like what you said to him 518 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: coming out of the huddle, though, tell me tell us 519 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: all again what you said to Plexico. With Plexico he 520 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: came out of Yeah, we were just saying, um, we 521 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: just said, hey, if they go all all out zero, 522 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: that's where I'm coming to. And that moment they played 523 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of zone quarters coverage or they went blit zero. 524 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: And just said, hey, if I'm just gonna keep the 525 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: fade on, I'm gonna, you know, throw it up high 526 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: to you. But hey, give a little move like you 527 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: might run a slant if there, you know, because a 528 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: lot of times if you're blitzing, they'll think you're gonna 529 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: throw something quick. And so he just gave that little 530 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: that little move, and I had to throw it quick 531 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: because they're bringing one more than we're blocking. So I 532 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: never really saw him open. I'm just saying I'm gonna 533 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: throw it up to him, and but he stuck and 534 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: uh was wide open. I just wanted at that point 535 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I saw him so open. I'm like, I just want 536 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: the ball to come down, Please come down. I was, 537 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: I go, come on, ball, let's go come on down. 538 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: And I thought the key there was and he according 539 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: to Plexico. He didn't know if his knee was gonna 540 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: hold out to make the hard slant move inside. Obviously 541 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: I did. But then when he came out of it, 542 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: you know, Hobbs sat because he really thought slant was 543 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: coming in. I mean, that's what That's what everybody's sighted. 544 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: Justument you know, boom, you've got, you've got all out blitz. 545 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: This thing is a slant, you know. Well it wasn't 546 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: a slant. And he bought that. He recovered and came back. 547 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: But the thing that I because I couldn't see real good, 548 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: was is Eli leading him or is he just gonna 549 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: make it as catchable as he can? Because he came 550 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: back to you. You know, it was back to the 551 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: goal line and he and he did this. I don't 552 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: know whether you saw this or not. And a lot 553 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: of times this is what happens, and and this is 554 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: going through your mind. The other day, um uh, Cincinnati 555 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: against Kansas City, they ran a pick. I don't know 556 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: why they didn't call the guy for pick. It was 557 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: obvious receivers wide open drops the ball. It's just it's 558 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: just too you know, the balls right there and I'm 559 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: all by myself. There's nobody around, I gotta, I gotta, 560 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: and he drops it, you know. So Plexico turned around 561 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: and he did this. He did he made sure that 562 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: there was not gonna be anything that happened that way. 563 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: But and then, and then, of course people want to 564 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: know what I was thinking. Well, guess what, there's thirty 565 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: five seconds left and this guy's got the ball. You know, 566 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. They had to play the moss 567 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: down the left sideline. That was a little, a little 568 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: too close for comfort, there two of them. He threw 569 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: the ball sixty yards that time. He rolled right so 570 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: he could get and at that time Jabri was over there. 571 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: But it was it was Corey and Jabbro the first time, 572 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: and it was close. I mean that was that was 573 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: almost right on the money. And the second one was 574 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the second one. But in the meantime, Jay Alfred drilled them. 575 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: Remember Jay hit him hard. He's a tough he's a 576 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: tough son of a gun. We sacked him five times 577 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: and hit him sixteen or eighteen times. Sounded like your 578 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco came a few years later where you got drilled. 579 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many phone calls I got 580 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: where people jumped on the bandwag no Eli is a 581 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: tough guy, but he lived through that one. He's a 582 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: tough son of a gun. But that's what happened to 583 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Brady and Are and but Alfred drilled him even on 584 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: that play. And there's so many plays throughout the course 585 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: of the game. Remember the play that that Antonio Pierce 586 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: made on the screen that's out the end of the end, 587 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: that's out the back door of the end zones. If 588 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: they get away with that because there's nobody there. And 589 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: then the play that you scramble remember and Plexico for 590 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: some reason, Yeah, he didn't keep going. That's a score. 591 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even think he changes direction. He 592 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: just catches it and runs. But but those we hadn't 593 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: there hadn't been a turnover the entire playoffs. And that 594 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: that one when we drove it way down there, we're 595 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: in there close again and and uh Steve, Steve just 596 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: looked later or whatever. It just a little bit, you know, 597 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: behind him. But he didn't get his head around either. 598 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: And it was But you think about what those rookies 599 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: did in that game. Can you imagine that rookie class 600 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: Boss Kevin Boss has got the long play of the game, 601 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: for us, the um Aaron Ross. You know, I mean, 602 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: get what those guys contributed, because I mean Steve Smith 603 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: was hurt a lot in the very beginning of the year. 604 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: You didn't even get to work with him the way 605 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: he would have liked to. And then all of a 606 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: sudden he comes along. What us and I lament I 607 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: really do the years We thought for years we would 608 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: have Boston Heat and it would be a great way 609 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: to continue to build, you know, and and and Steve 610 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: gets hurt, and Boss gets hurt, and they're gone. Within 611 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: two years they're gone. What a shame. Really talented kids, 612 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: and they were gonna make great contributions because Steve was 613 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: so quick. You know, he beat remember when he when 614 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: he beat uh? Who was wasn't it was Uh? I 615 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: don't think it was Hobbs. Anyway, he beat somebody inside 616 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: with with this kind of move, which showed you again 617 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: in his quickness because he had gone flat hard, he'd 618 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: gone inside hard, caught the ball both times, caught two 619 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: of these, and you know, and it just had a 620 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: tremendous contribute. It was a great contributor to the game. 621 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 1: And talking about a little bit about that celebration back 622 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: in New York afterwards. Unbelievable. I remember saying that John Era. 623 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: I said, John, you know, I'm not much for parades 624 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: and all that. John looked at me and he said, 625 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to go to this one. And I 626 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. You know, Now, I had 627 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: watched I had seen Eisenhower come back, you know the 628 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: ticker tape parade that they show you his historically down 629 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: the canyon of Heroes, Um Eisenhower and MacArthur and Um 630 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: and Truman, you know, all these heroes that have come 631 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: back from the war. And I had seen that. But 632 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: to live it was, it was unlike anything that I've 633 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. For a million people backed 634 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: up as you can't see the end of the of 635 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: the people, and they stood and they did it. And 636 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: and then and then there's my buddy, uh who's the 637 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: pastor at one of the churches down there. And we 638 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: turned the corner and it was a step ladder out there. 639 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: He's got his full investments, Jim Cooper. He's out there 640 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: with incense, and I'm thinking, Jim, you better hope your 641 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: parishioners don't see see you out there. He was he 642 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: was having fun with that too. But yeah, that was 643 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: a great, great experience. And the coming back to the 644 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: stadium it was just as great inexperience. Thirty five thousand 645 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: people waiting for us in Giants Stadium and we basically 646 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: review the whole thing again, you know, uh, straight hands 647 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: stomp and uh and uh. There was just lots of 648 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: memories and it was great memories. It was great, great 649 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: sitting with you and reliving those and thinking about him again. 650 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: And everybody can do that in your new book. And 651 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: uh so I'm glad you wrote this, and it's good 652 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: to reminisce and everybody. And it was unbelievable, unbelievable season, 653 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: unbelievable game. And the Patriots, you know, I got I've 654 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: gotten to know Time a little bit over the years, 655 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: and I never mentioned this game or mentioned any of 656 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: my games I played against him, but he brings up, 657 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: he brings up this one. It bothers him because they 658 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: they would go down as the greatest team in the 659 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: history of the NFL, and they can't. They can't say that. 660 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of letters and notes from that 661 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: seventy one seventy two Dolphin team that went undefeated. Thank you, 662 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: my buddies as exactly that team. But but here's here's something. 663 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: I look back and I think about things like this. 664 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: So I'm over. I have to go over for a 665 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: press conference. It's either Friday or Saturday. Friday, I guess 666 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: this's Friday afternoon. You probably had to go to someone. 667 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: So I go over and i'm you know, I'm on next, 668 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: and I look up Coach Schulz. He's at the diet. 669 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: He's up there with a press conference. So I just 670 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: stay there waiting for him, and he comes down after 671 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: he's done. I think he's in his wheelchair. He's in 672 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, and I go over and say hello to him, Hey, Tom, 673 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: how are you doing good? He never says a word, 674 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: to his credit, not a word. You know, you can 675 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: see in his eyes what he means, but he's not 676 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: saying anything, which you know he's he wants to protect 677 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: that seventeen and offseason two because that that that was 678 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: a great Dolphin team, There's no doubt about it. But 679 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: but uh, and I put that together with all the 680 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: things that happened for us the next day, and that 681 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: was a remarkable experience. It was great. It was great, 682 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: and thank you thanks for coming on the podcast Coach, 683 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: we gotta thank you for having me on alpreciate it, 684 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: And that's a rap.