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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori
Speaker 1: with you. Lynn McTaggart as the award winning author of
Speaker 1: a number of books, including the worldwide bestsellers The Field,
Speaker 1: The Intention Experiment, and the Power of Age. She is
Speaker 1: also the co founder of the international health magazine What
Speaker 1: Doctors Don't Tell You, and is the architect of The
Speaker 1: Intention Experiments, a web based global laboratory that tests the
Speaker 1: power of intention to heal the world. Lynn, we need
Speaker 1: more of that. Welcome back. Hi, dear George, It's great
Speaker 1: to be here with you. How have you been. I
Speaker 1: have been just great. It's been about a year working
Speaker 1: on some new things. How did you get involved in
Speaker 1: this field of intention? I got involved basically by accident.
Speaker 1: I was an investigative reporter and I was minding my
Speaker 1: own business and writing about health. We had started a
Speaker 1: newsletter back in nineteen ninety called What Doctors Don't Tell You,
Speaker 1: And in the course of researching what works and what
Speaker 1: doesn't work in medicine, we kept coming across very good
Speaker 1: studies of spiritual healing, and I kept thinking to myself, wait,
Speaker 1: a minute. If we have a thought and send it
Speaker 1: to someone else to make them better, that undermines everything
Speaker 1: we think about how the world works. So as a result,
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out why this was going on.
Speaker 1: So I interviewed a lot of frontier scientists and physicists, biologists,
Speaker 1: all of those kinds of people, and discovered each of them,
Speaker 1: people like the late Robert John of Princeton the Pair
Speaker 1: Research Center and how put off the famous physicists and
Speaker 1: asters physicists, and many many others who have now passed on.
Speaker 1: And what I discovered is that each of them had
Speaker 1: a tiny piece of what compounded into a completely new
Speaker 1: view of the world. After I finished that book, there
Speaker 1: was some leftover business. Many of them had done really
Speaker 1: good experiments demonstrating that thoughts are things that affect other things.
Speaker 1: And so, being the hard nosed journal that I am,
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out how far we could take
Speaker 1: this and also does it magnify if we have lots
Speaker 1: of people doing intention in a group. And I figured
Speaker 1: by them I knew a lot of these scientists, and
Speaker 1: I also had lots of readers from the fields in
Speaker 1: thirty languages I've been So I thought if I put
Speaker 1: them together, I'd have the biggest global laboratory in the world.
Speaker 1: And so that's what happened. And back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven I started the intention experiment. And now we've
Speaker 1: done about forty one experiments to date and of those,
Speaker 1: forty one thirty seven have shown measurable positive, mostly significant effects.
Speaker 1: What can you conclude at this time, then, when with
Speaker 1: these results over sixteen years, what intention is? Well? Intention
Speaker 1: is we have to understand that consciousness isn't locked inside
Speaker 1: our heads. You know that our brains are much more
Speaker 1: of an antenna receiver that we are picking up and
Speaker 1: we are sending out, but it's not all housed in
Speaker 1: our brain. And if consciousness is out there, and we
Speaker 1: are energy systems and not just a batch of chemicals
Speaker 1: and electrical signaling, or we are essentially affecting everything all
Speaker 1: the time and not just when we do you know,
Speaker 1: a very focused intention, but all of our thoughts and
Speaker 1: we've got seventy thousand of them a day, all of
Speaker 1: our thoughts are affecting our world too. And this isn't
Speaker 1: something strange and you know and weird and esoteric. This
Speaker 1: has been acknowledged by top physicists in fact, three of
Speaker 1: them received the Nobel Prize last autumn for essentially demonstrating
Speaker 1: non locality and some of the other weird aspects of physics.
Speaker 1: So we're now saying the strange effects of quantum physics
Speaker 1: that you know, when subatomic particles are once in contact,
Speaker 1: move one to California and the other one to London,
Speaker 1: and they're still in contact and affected by each other.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that that is just the purview of
Speaker 1: the quantum world anymore. We're now saying this is the
Speaker 1: rule of all life. We're seeing big quantum effects in
Speaker 1: the visible world, the sticks and stones world that we
Speaker 1: live in. Even photosynthesis has to and relies on a
Speaker 1: quantum effect. So what we understand now, as I said it,
Speaker 1: thoughts are things that affect everything, and we are affecting
Speaker 1: and co creating all the time. It is truly remarkable
Speaker 1: and incredible how it works. And the fact that it
Speaker 1: does work, isn't it? Oh? Yes? And I continue to
Speaker 1: be stunned by it because and you know, this is
Speaker 1: all these years later and all these experiments later, But
Speaker 1: I've seen it in large groups and also small groups,
Speaker 1: what I call the power of eight. I've seen so
Speaker 1: many things. Most recently, we had a woman called Esther
Speaker 1: who came to a retreat of ours and I put
Speaker 1: people into power of eight groups in all of my work,
Speaker 1: and she and her group did an intention in the
Speaker 1: library of where we were in the stately home. We
Speaker 1: were holding it in the stately home called Broughton Hall,
Speaker 1: and she and her group had such a powerful intention
Speaker 1: she believed that that was the impetus for what is
Speaker 1: now healed from stage four cancer. So I've seen that.
Speaker 1: I've seen people get up out of their wheelchairs. I've
Speaker 1: seen people heal all manner of illnesses as disturbances and
Speaker 1: troubles in their lives, everything from relationships to money problems.
Speaker 1: We've seen this over and over again, and I believe
Speaker 1: it has to do with a couple of things. It
Speaker 1: is the power of intention which does magnify in a
Speaker 1: group of any size. But also it is the power
Speaker 1: of groups. We were never meant to be as isolated
Speaker 1: as we are now. Can you say, though, lend, that
Speaker 1: the one could be just as strong as the many
Speaker 1: with intention depending on who that person is. There are
Speaker 1: certain people who have gifts, just like certain people are
Speaker 1: gifted in playing the piano, but we all have this
Speaker 1: hidden capacity, George, And that's the issue too. We have
Speaker 1: this and we know this as children, but it's denied
Speaker 1: over and over again by our authority figures, our parents,
Speaker 1: our teachers, who tell us stop imagining things, and so
Speaker 1: we lose it. It's like we stop practicing it, so
Speaker 1: we lose it. But we all have this capacity. I
Speaker 1: believe though, that the group effect brings us to a
Speaker 1: different state of consciousness. And in that different state of consciousness,
Speaker 1: in that experience of oneness, that's when the real power manifests.
Speaker 1: And you know, we don't get to experience that too often.
Speaker 1: Lots of people ask me, well, how do I enter
Speaker 1: the field? And what I wrote about in the field
Speaker 1: was this idea that we're all part of this giant
Speaker 1: quantum web. And I say to people, well, you don't
Speaker 1: have to enter it. You are it. We're all part
Speaker 1: of it. Our sub atomic particles and we're all energy
Speaker 1: are dancing with other subatomic particles everywhere in the world,
Speaker 1: including in empty space, so we are part of it.
Speaker 1: That we don't get to experience life like that, George.
Speaker 1: We experience life in separation, you know, as lonely little
Speaker 1: people on a lonely little planet. We don't get to
Speaker 1: experience ecstatic oneness, but we do get that when we're
Speaker 1: part of a group. And we've done brainwave studies looking
Speaker 1: at power of a groups, and we find that they
Speaker 1: do something very different to the brain very quickly, not
Speaker 1: like meditation. Our brainwave studies show brainwave patterns that are
Speaker 1: almost opposite to meditation, to those meditations. Is that surprising
Speaker 1: to you? It was, and it was surprising to the
Speaker 1: neuroscientists I worked with. We thought we were going to
Speaker 1: see brainwave signatures identical to those of meditation. What we
Speaker 1: see instead is brainwave signatures that are virtually identical to
Speaker 1: those done by the University of Pennsylvania when studying Buddhist
Speaker 1: monks in ecstatic prayer and Sufi masters during chanting. Both
Speaker 1: of them have brainwaves that where certain ones diminish the
Speaker 1: parts of the brain like those in the parietal lobes.
Speaker 1: They sit towards the back of the head, and they
Speaker 1: help us navigate through space. They help us determine what's
Speaker 1: me and what's not me. Those are dialed way down
Speaker 1: during these power of eight groups and intention experiments, and
Speaker 1: so are the parts of the brain like the right
Speaker 1: frontal lobes involved in worried doubt negativity, those are also
Speaker 1: turned way down, and other parts are also diminished. And
Speaker 1: what this indicates is someone in a state of ecstatic oneness.
Speaker 1: So we go into this brain state very quickly, and
Speaker 1: the studies we did, we're on total novices. These weren't
Speaker 1: superpower of eight intention experts. These were student volunteers, and
Speaker 1: yet they have that experience almost immediately. So I think
Speaker 1: that's the big difference. When we get into this amazing
Speaker 1: state of oneness, miracles do happen, they do. Indeed, what
Speaker 1: are you working on now these days? When well, I've
Speaker 1: started a thing called the eight Revolution, George, and this
Speaker 1: has all to do with the state of the world
Speaker 1: right now, because I kept thinking to myself, on my goodness,
Speaker 1: look at it. In politics, we're so polarized, we are
Speaker 1: our leaders don't seem to have the answers for anything.
Speaker 1: We have issues with everything from the climate to the economy.
Speaker 1: You know, we're having bank failures again. Everything is falling
Speaker 1: down again, and nobody seems to know what to do
Speaker 1: to fix it, and the top down approach may not work.
Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, I need an army of
Speaker 1: change makers. And then I suddenly realized, I've got an
Speaker 1: army of change makers already. I've got tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of Power of Eight groups around the world. What if
Speaker 1: I brought them all together and started offering them some
Speaker 1: free tools for a new world. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I did. We've just launched it, and we're calling in
Speaker 1: all the Power of Eight groups and helping them with
Speaker 1: information about how to start a social revolution. And when
Speaker 1: I say revolution, I'm not talking about the overthrow of
Speaker 1: the government, not talking about anything related to taking down anything.
Speaker 1: But what I'm talking about is making change from the
Speaker 1: ground up. And it's really the way every social revolution starts.
Speaker 1: You know. It's the way Gandhi liberated India from Britain
Speaker 1: by working with small groups. It's the way Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King started the civil rights movement by working with small groups.
Speaker 1: And it's the way the Prague Spring, after the Progue Spring,
Speaker 1: Czechoslovakia ended up leaving the Soviet Union without a single
Speaker 1: shot being fired. And it was because of small groups
Speaker 1: just starting something small and saying we're going to do
Speaker 1: something different. And the other part of the Eight Revolution,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we were never meant to be so isolated, George.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of the science I've studied shows that people,
Speaker 1: human beings were meant to be in groups, We were
Speaker 1: meant to have community, and we just don't anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: one in four people over sixty five have no contact
Speaker 1: with any humans at all, no contact. The only contact
Speaker 1: they've got is their TV set and radio and the
Speaker 1: radio and their radio. Absolutely and hearing you, George. But
Speaker 1: so many people are so isolated. So this was another
Speaker 1: idea of creating communities because I've seen it with all
Speaker 1: my power of eight groups, people who were so isolated
Speaker 1: suddenly have a group of eight who have their back,
Speaker 1: you know. I think of Jerry, who was part of
Speaker 1: a course of mine last year and the year before,
Speaker 1: and so it was during COVID, and he of course
Speaker 1: had no contact with anybody because we were also isolated,
Speaker 1: and yet his power of aid group was like a lifeline.
Speaker 1: And he said the biggest thing for him, you know,
Speaker 1: lots of little miracles happened, he said, but the biggest
Speaker 1: thing was the community, having the compassion, the love, And
Speaker 1: he said, I've had more connection and love during lockdown
Speaker 1: than I've ever had in my life. And so I
Speaker 1: think the community aspect of it is really important. And
Speaker 1: if you bring these groups together and start giving them
Speaker 1: suggestions and help and tools for creating little change in
Speaker 1: their neighborhoods and towns and cities, you know you can
Speaker 1: create a massive, massive movement. Absolutely. When you talk about
Speaker 1: the power of eight, what does that mean? It comes up,
Speaker 1: this number comes up in numerology, comes up all over
Speaker 1: the place. What's it mean? Well, for me, it was
Speaker 1: an accident. George, I was thinking of scaling down the
Speaker 1: Intention experiment for a workshop, and I was kicking this
Speaker 1: over with my team and my husband and said, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe I'll put people into groups and have
Speaker 1: them send intention to a member of the group with
Speaker 1: a health challenge. And my husband's a great headline writer,
Speaker 1: he's also a journalist. An I love it the power
Speaker 1: of eight. So that's how the name started. And eight,
Speaker 1: of course has all of that numerology. In China, it's
Speaker 1: considered a lucky number. It's got all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a sideways infinity sign. But to be honest, the
Speaker 1: group doesn't have to be just eight. It can be six,
Speaker 1: it can be twelve. Eight is a nice I like
Speaker 1: to call it a Goldilocks figure. It's not too big,
Speaker 1: it's not too small. It's just kind of perfect sized.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to be eight. I had a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who ran a restaurant in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: He since passed. His name was George two ran a
Speaker 1: Greek restaurant. And I told him about the power of
Speaker 1: eight and how it works in numerology and that it
Speaker 1: could bring you luck. So he put an eight in
Speaker 1: his wallet lyn and went to a local casino one
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. Came back and told me he was
Speaker 1: all excited. I let see it works well. Greed took
Speaker 1: over and he went back out. He put he put
Speaker 1: eights in his two pockets and his wallet all over
Speaker 1: the place, and he came back and he lost the thousand,
Speaker 1: and he was depressed the next day and he said,
Speaker 1: he said I lost. He said, I had like five
Speaker 1: eights all over my body. What happened? And I said,
Speaker 1: greed got you. So there's a there's a factor in
Speaker 1: there somewhere, isn't there? I think there is. I think
Speaker 1: what I find that really works for mostly everybody in
Speaker 1: power of eight groups is getting off of yourself generosity, altruism,
Speaker 1: intending for other people and then it comes back to
Speaker 1: you and that I've seen over and over and it's
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