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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Lynn McTaggart as the award winning author of

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Speaker 1: a number of books, including the worldwide bestsellers The Field,

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Speaker 1: The Intention Experiment, and the Power of Age. She is

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Speaker 1: also the co founder of the international health magazine What

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Speaker 1: Doctors Don't Tell You, and is the architect of The

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Speaker 1: Intention Experiments, a web based global laboratory that tests the

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Speaker 1: power of intention to heal the world. Lynn, we need

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Speaker 1: more of that. Welcome back. Hi, dear George, It's great

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Speaker 1: to be here with you. How have you been. I

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Speaker 1: have been just great. It's been about a year working

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Speaker 1: on some new things. How did you get involved in

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Speaker 1: this field of intention? I got involved basically by accident.

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Speaker 1: I was an investigative reporter and I was minding my

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Speaker 1: own business and writing about health. We had started a

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Speaker 1: newsletter back in nineteen ninety called What Doctors Don't Tell You,

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Speaker 1: And in the course of researching what works and what

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Speaker 1: doesn't work in medicine, we kept coming across very good

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Speaker 1: studies of spiritual healing, and I kept thinking to myself, wait,

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Speaker 1: a minute. If we have a thought and send it

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Speaker 1: to someone else to make them better, that undermines everything

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Speaker 1: we think about how the world works. So as a result,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to find out why this was going on.

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Speaker 1: So I interviewed a lot of frontier scientists and physicists, biologists,

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Speaker 1: all of those kinds of people, and discovered each of them,

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Speaker 1: people like the late Robert John of Princeton the Pair

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Speaker 1: Research Center and how put off the famous physicists and

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Speaker 1: asters physicists, and many many others who have now passed on.

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Speaker 1: And what I discovered is that each of them had

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Speaker 1: a tiny piece of what compounded into a completely new

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Speaker 1: view of the world. After I finished that book, there

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Speaker 1: was some leftover business. Many of them had done really

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Speaker 1: good experiments demonstrating that thoughts are things that affect other things.

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Speaker 1: And so, being the hard nosed journal that I am,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to find out how far we could take

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Speaker 1: this and also does it magnify if we have lots

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Speaker 1: of people doing intention in a group. And I figured

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Speaker 1: by them I knew a lot of these scientists, and

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Speaker 1: I also had lots of readers from the fields in

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Speaker 1: thirty languages I've been So I thought if I put

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Speaker 1: them together, I'd have the biggest global laboratory in the world.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what happened. And back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven I started the intention experiment. And now we've

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Speaker 1: done about forty one experiments to date and of those,

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Speaker 1: forty one thirty seven have shown measurable positive, mostly significant effects.

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Speaker 1: What can you conclude at this time, then, when with

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Speaker 1: these results over sixteen years, what intention is? Well? Intention

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Speaker 1: is we have to understand that consciousness isn't locked inside

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Speaker 1: our heads. You know that our brains are much more

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Speaker 1: of an antenna receiver that we are picking up and

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Speaker 1: we are sending out, but it's not all housed in

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Speaker 1: our brain. And if consciousness is out there, and we

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Speaker 1: are energy systems and not just a batch of chemicals

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Speaker 1: and electrical signaling, or we are essentially affecting everything all

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Speaker 1: the time and not just when we do you know,

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Speaker 1: a very focused intention, but all of our thoughts and

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Speaker 1: we've got seventy thousand of them a day, all of

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Speaker 1: our thoughts are affecting our world too. And this isn't

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Speaker 1: something strange and you know and weird and esoteric. This

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Speaker 1: So we're now saying the strange effects of quantum physics

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Speaker 1: We're not saying that that is just the purview of

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Speaker 1: quantum effect. So what we understand now, as I said it,

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Speaker 1: We've seen this over and over again, and I believe

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Speaker 1: of groups. We were never meant to be as isolated

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Speaker 1: with intention depending on who that person is. There are

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Speaker 1: certain people who have gifts, just like certain people are

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Speaker 1: gifted in playing the piano, but we all have this

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Speaker 1: hidden capacity, George, And that's the issue too. We have

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Speaker 1: this and we know this as children, but it's denied

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Speaker 1: in that experience of oneness, that's when the real power manifests.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we don't get to experience that too often.

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Speaker 1: Lots of people ask me, well, how do I enter

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Speaker 1: the field? And what I wrote about in the field

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Speaker 1: That we don't get to experience life like that, George.

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Speaker 1: We experience life in separation, you know, as lonely little

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Speaker 1: experience ecstatic oneness, but we do get that when we're

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Speaker 1: monks in ecstatic prayer and Sufi masters during chanting. Both

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Speaker 1: started a thing called the eight Revolution, George, and this

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Speaker 1: right now, because I kept thinking to myself, on my goodness,

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Speaker 1: over with my team and my husband and said, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe I'll put people into groups and have

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Speaker 1: them send intention to a member of the group with

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Speaker 1: a health challenge. And my husband's a great headline writer,

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Speaker 1: he's also a journalist. An I love it the power

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Speaker 1: of eight. So that's how the name started. And eight,

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Speaker 1: of course has all of that numerology. In China, it's

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Speaker 1: considered a lucky number. It's got all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a sideways infinity sign. But to be honest, the

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Speaker 1: group doesn't have to be just eight. It can be six,

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Speaker 1: it can be twelve. Eight is a nice I like

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Speaker 1: to call it a Goldilocks figure. It's not too big,

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Speaker 1: it's not too small. It's just kind of perfect sized.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to be eight. I had a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine who ran a restaurant in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: He since passed. His name was George two ran a

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Speaker 1: eight and how it works in numerology and that it

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Speaker 1: could bring you luck. So he put an eight in

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Speaker 1: his wallet lyn and went to a local casino one

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Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. Came back and told me he was

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Speaker 1: all excited. I let see it works well. Greed took

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Speaker 1: over and he went back out. He put he put

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Speaker 1: eights in his two pockets and his wallet all over

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Speaker 1: the place, and he came back and he lost the thousand,

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Speaker 1: and he was depressed the next day and he said,

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Speaker 1: he said I lost. He said, I had like five

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Speaker 1: eights all over my body. What happened? And I said,

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Speaker 1: greed got you. So there's a there's a factor in

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Speaker 1: there somewhere, isn't there? I think there is. I think

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Speaker 1: what I find that really works for mostly everybody in

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Speaker 1: power of eight groups is getting off of yourself generosity, altruism,

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Speaker 1: intending for other people and then it comes back to

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Speaker 1: you and that I've seen over and over and it's

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