1
00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,920
Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

2
00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

3
00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm Lazarre and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined has

4
00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,600
Speaker 2: always buy our gait match.

5
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,560
Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars The math coaches,

6
00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,120
Speaker 1: whether it be in football, whether it be in basketball,

7
00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,159
Speaker 1: certainly happens a lot in baseball. Ye refuse to adjust

8
00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,320
Speaker 1: from their strategy because the spreadsheet tells them this is

9
00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,000
Speaker 1: what you need to do to win the game. The

10
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,040
Speaker 1: spreadsheet was created before the game, not when you're up

11
00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,120
Speaker 1: twenty points in the third quarter or two touchdowns in

12
00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,680
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. But they continue

13
00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,680
Speaker 1: to go bombs away when really, all you gotta do

14
00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,200
Speaker 1: with this big lead is just run out the clock.

15
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,360
Speaker 1: And it's maybe not mathematically sexy, but it's how you're

16
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna win the game. That's my big problem. Just go

17
00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,120
Speaker 1: to paint. But no, Kyle Shanahan has to Jimmy Garoffolo

18
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,800
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep in the fourth quarter of the

19
00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,280
Speaker 1: Super Bowl up team scores because that's what the map says.

20
00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,600
Speaker 1: Strats killed me.

21
00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,720
Speaker 2: It always comes back to that. With always, it always

22
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,399
Speaker 2: comes back to Kyle Shanahan being minutes away from like

23
00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,200
Speaker 2: three time Super Bowl champion to zero time Super Bowl champion.

24
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,559
Speaker 2: That's where it always comes, sixty minute game. No matter

25
00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 2: what we do, it always comes back to that. Evan Lazar,

26
00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,480
Speaker 2: Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two with you for a

27
00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,360
Speaker 2: couple of hours here on schedule release day. The schedule

28
00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,640
Speaker 2: will be released tonight eight o'clock. It is a marquee event,

29
00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,760
Speaker 2: because obviously with the NFL, what isn't a marquee event.

30
00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,400
Speaker 2: I'll just say off the top, schedule leaks, we're not

31
00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,960
Speaker 2: gonna touch on those. I know there's a lot of

32
00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,160
Speaker 2: things floating around social media right now, but we're just

33
00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,080
Speaker 2: gonna stick to the facts on this show and on

34
00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,280
Speaker 2: probably all of our So we're not going to sit

35
00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,520
Speaker 2: here and guess which leaks are accurate and which leaks

36
00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,720
Speaker 2: are not accurate and all that good stuff. So as

37
00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,160
Speaker 2: the schedule comes out tonight and then tomorrow on PU

38
00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,799
Speaker 2: we'll talk plenty about the schedule, and you'll be on

39
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,480
Speaker 2: the Sports Hub, I'm sure, talking about the schedule and

40
00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. So you'll get our schedule reacts

41
00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,320
Speaker 2: in due time. But for today's show, we're going to

42
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 2: focus on Rookie Mini Camp. I know it's been a

43
00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,400
Speaker 2: minute since we were out at Rookie Mini Camp, but

44
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 2: it's our first show since Rookie Mini Camp, so we'll

45
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,280
Speaker 2: discuss that. We'll discuss the defensive side of the ball.

46
00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 2: Do our roster reset on defense. Have a few things

47
00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up there, and I know that

48
00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,440
Speaker 2: people are going to call an email in about the schedule,

49
00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,840
Speaker 2: so I'm sure we'll give some takes about our theories

50
00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,640
Speaker 2: about the schedule. But before we really get into it,

51
00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,320
Speaker 2: support the home team. Join New England's events staff here

52
00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,320
Speaker 2: at Jiled Stadium. Seasonal position. Seasonal positions available in food

53
00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 2: and beverage parking in sec You already visit www dot

54
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,040
Speaker 2: thecraftgroup dot com, slash careers and apply today. All right,

55
00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,040
Speaker 2: Alex Well, I've had a worlwind of a couple of days.

56
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, this has been a whirlwind of

57
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,359
Speaker 2: emotions for your boy over here. Monday night, I was

58
00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,840
Speaker 2: at the Kendrick Lamar concert. I had a great time

59
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,400
Speaker 2: with Jess at the Kendrick Lamark concert. He was fantastic.

60
00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,919
Speaker 2: He hit it out of the park. He played every

61
00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,440
Speaker 2: song that I wanted him to play. And I was

62
00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,520
Speaker 2: very excited about it. I mean, from top to bottom,

63
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,280
Speaker 2: I just thought, Yeah, that is exactly what all of

64
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,560
Speaker 2: us Kendrick fans wanted. I was a little concerned that

65
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,720
Speaker 2: he was going to lean too much into the Drake

66
00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,360
Speaker 2: stuff like he kind of did on the Super Bowl

67
00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,800
Speaker 2: halftime show, and it was going to be too much

68
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,560
Speaker 2: of a you know, an FU tour to Drake. But

69
00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't. He played a lot of his og hits.

70
00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,480
Speaker 2: It was fantastic. And then as I'm walking out of

71
00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,680
Speaker 2: the Kendrick Lamark concert, uh, you know, I'm looking at

72
00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,600
Speaker 2: my phone and Jason Tatum no longer has an achilles,

73
00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600
Speaker 2: so you know, it was like the highest the highs

74
00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,840
Speaker 2: that you could go for to the lowest of lows.

75
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,800
Speaker 2: So that was I will admit right now, I am

76
00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,160
Speaker 2: in seven stages of grief. And so we're gonna talk

77
00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,800
Speaker 2: about Patriots for the next two hours to totally ignore

78
00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,039
Speaker 2: all my emotions and feelings about the Celtics right now.

79
00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 2: But the one little thing I have to say is

80
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,200
Speaker 2: to get off my chest. The only to make this

81
00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,120
Speaker 2: Patriot related a Brady is the only thing I can

82
00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,480
Speaker 2: think of. It rises this to this level in our

83
00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,560
Speaker 2: you know time as sports fans slash reporters. I mean,

84
00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,479
Speaker 2: there's no other injury in Boston sports history during my

85
00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 2: lifetime where the superstar player of the team goes down

86
00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,400
Speaker 2: with such a major injury that might wipe out an

87
00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 2: entire season of his prime. It really feels a lot

88
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,640
Speaker 2: like a Brady to me. And there's a lot of

89
00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,840
Speaker 2: parallels there are.

90
00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, they were coming off of a historical season

91
00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,880
Speaker 1: in the context of the league, and you know, had

92
00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,239
Speaker 1: this super team built, and it's it's a significant injury

93
00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,320
Speaker 1: and an acl back then, And it sounds crazy saying

94
00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,480
Speaker 1: back then, this is what fifteen almost twenty years ago

95
00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,240
Speaker 1: now was a lot more significant, held a lot more

96
00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,160
Speaker 1: long term implications than it does now, kind of like

97
00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,200
Speaker 1: an Achilles does now. And obviously, and it's it's a

98
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,279
Speaker 1: good parallel. Even though I was texting a buddy that

99
00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,480
Speaker 1: night who said I was being dramatic bringing that up,

100
00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,680
Speaker 1: but I was.

101
00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,479
Speaker 2: Your buddy in the denial stage of the seven stages,

102
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,320
Speaker 2: agreed as.

103
00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,359
Speaker 1: Much as I tried to tell him that he was

104
00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,880
Speaker 1: being a little too positivem But no, there are a

105
00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,080
Speaker 1: ton of similarities. And I've actually been kind of looking

106
00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,840
Speaker 1: into you know, reading stories from around that time, and look,

107
00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,920
Speaker 1: we all know what happened. Brady came back. It took

108
00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,840
Speaker 1: a while, but he wins four more Super Bowls three

109
00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,120
Speaker 1: year cemented his status as the greatest player in the

110
00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,400
Speaker 1: history of the sport. But at the time there was

111
00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty. People didn't know. It was like,

112
00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,440
Speaker 1: are we gonna blow this core up? Is Brady gonna

113
00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,320
Speaker 1: play with Moss again? What's gonna happen here? Matt Castle

114
00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,680
Speaker 1: leads him to eleven wins. Now it's well, you know,

115
00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,400
Speaker 1: we don't.

116
00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,240
Speaker 2: Know who Brady's at, what happens and just will he

117
00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,720
Speaker 2: ever be the same player again?

118
00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,240
Speaker 1: Or is this the beginning of the end? And is

119
00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,160
Speaker 1: that run that we got with him? Is that going

120
00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,240
Speaker 1: to be it? And it was, which should have been

121
00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,120
Speaker 1: a long career cut short. Obviously that's not what happened,

122
00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,040
Speaker 1: But these were some of the questions at the time,

123
00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,040
Speaker 1: and even Brady himself going back and reading some of

124
00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,280
Speaker 1: the quotes from him, not immediately after, but later on,

125
00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,200
Speaker 1: talking about how that changed the way he viewed football

126
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,760
Speaker 1: and his interaction with football and a lot of the

127
00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,440
Speaker 1: stuff that he became very well known for. The TV

128
00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,600
Speaker 1: twelve method, pliability, avocado ice cream, not eating tomatoes right,

129
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,320
Speaker 1: all of that. The genesis of a lot of that

130
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,599
Speaker 1: is that injury in two thousand and eight.

131
00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,560
Speaker 2: Well, you're human, right for the first time, and it's

132
00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,480
Speaker 2: not it's not exactly apples to apples because Brady won

133
00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,839
Speaker 2: three and Jason Tatum's only won one. But if you

134
00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,640
Speaker 2: go back to that moment, right, if you go back

135
00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,479
Speaker 2: to that moment, it's very similar, very similar stages of

136
00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,880
Speaker 2: their careers. You know, was Brady's eighth year as the

137
00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,080
Speaker 2: Patriots starter, Tatum's eighth year in the NBA right now,

138
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, both in the primes of their careers. Both

139
00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,880
Speaker 2: arguably one of the best players in the sport, if

140
00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,120
Speaker 2: not the best player in the sport in Brady's case.

141
00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,840
Speaker 2: So it's it's very similar.

142
00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 1: So I think if you're Jason Tatum, you go back

143
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,560
Speaker 1: and you look at some of the ways Tom Brady

144
00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,200
Speaker 1: approached that or even maybe reach out to him. And again,

145
00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,200
Speaker 1: Brady talked about how it changed the way he approached

146
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520
Speaker 1: the game, and it'll be interesting to see how Tatum

147
00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,320
Speaker 1: attacks it and if he brings that similar mentality.

148
00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the more I looked into it, because

149
00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640
Speaker 2: I did want to bring it to Patriot Focus. This

150
00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,720
Speaker 2: is a Patriots podcast. The more I looked into it,

151
00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,920
Speaker 2: even though Brady was a little bit older, and you know,

152
00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,560
Speaker 2: there's different age brackets in terms of primes when they're

153
00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,920
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback versus a superstar player in the NBA.

154
00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,720
Speaker 2: You know, Brady was thirty thirty one when he tore

155
00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800
Speaker 2: his ACL. Jason Tatum's only twenty seven. But you know,

156
00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,520
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum came into the league at eighteen, nineteen years old,

157
00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,440
Speaker 2: and Brady was older. So the amount of time that

158
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,480
Speaker 2: they had spent in the league at that point was

159
00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,320
Speaker 2: exactly the same.

160
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,239
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, taking out two.

161
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,480
Speaker 2: Thousand for Brady, so eight years is the starter eight

162
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 2: year career so far for Jason Tatum. You know, we thought,

163
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960
Speaker 2: I are just remembering my you know, kind of jogging

164
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,960
Speaker 2: my memory of eight It was all about righting the

165
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,400
Speaker 2: wrong of losing Super Bowl forty nine. Like that's really

166
00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,600
Speaker 2: what the focus was was, Okay, you went eighteen and oh,

167
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,120
Speaker 2: you went sixteen to oh in the regular season, Like

168
00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,600
Speaker 2: no one wanted them really to try to do that again.

169
00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,720
Speaker 2: They just wanted to win it right again and would

170
00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,000
Speaker 2: just focus on winning the Super Bowl, and they had

171
00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 2: by far were the betting favorites, and this was I

172
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600
Speaker 2: think the difference is to me that that makes this

173
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 2: one almost in some ways, you know, tougher is that

174
00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,960
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like two seasons are now impacted

175
00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,640
Speaker 2: by this Tatum thing because even though they were gonna

176
00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,000
Speaker 2: they were going down three to one no matter what.

177
00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,640
Speaker 2: Ye they were gonna lose Game four to the Knicks,

178
00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,240
Speaker 2: and they're gonna go down three one, no matter or what.

179
00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,440
Speaker 2: But crazier things have happened than the favorite with two

180
00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,680
Speaker 2: home games coming back from a three to one deficit

181
00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,800
Speaker 2: to win the series. So this season is now basically

182
00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,439
Speaker 2: over all intents and purposes, and then next season might

183
00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,480
Speaker 2: basically be over too because he might not play at

184
00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,319
Speaker 2: all in twenty twenty six. Whereas you know with Brady,

185
00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, the eight seasons a watch,

186
00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,920
Speaker 2: but Week one two thousand and nine, we know Brady's

187
00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,800
Speaker 2: gonna be out, Yeah.

188
00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,800
Speaker 1: And well, and then there's again that so next year

189
00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,719
Speaker 1: we'll see. Look, they still Jaylen Brown. I don't think

190
00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,400
Speaker 1: they're moving on from Jaylen Brown. I don't think they're

191
00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,160
Speaker 1: moving on from Derek White. So in the East is

192
00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:44,280
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's really bad teams, right, Yeah, Like think

193
00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,160
Speaker 1: about how bad they'd have to be to not even

194
00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,680
Speaker 1: be in the playing in this conference. So they'll still

195
00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 1: be decent, But like, what does the future look like

196
00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,800
Speaker 1: after that? This the roster's going to turn over next

197
00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,920
Speaker 1: time we see Jason Tatum on the floor, Yeah, it's

198
00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna be I would say more than fifty percent of

199
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,559
Speaker 1: the roster is gonna be different. Who knows what the

200
00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,240
Speaker 1: coaching staff will look like all of that. So with Brady,

201
00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of the same thing where they hit

202
00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,280
Speaker 1: that breaking point and what happened was they used that

203
00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that that was solely the opportunity. Some

204
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,440
Speaker 1: of it was just the time. And look, they obviously

205
00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,320
Speaker 1: get back to the super Bowl in twenty eleven, so

206
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,040
Speaker 1: it was a little more of a drawn aut process

207
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,720
Speaker 1: as it is in football compared to basketball. That's kind

208
00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,480
Speaker 1: of the demarcation of Brady being the young kid who

209
00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,000
Speaker 1: was on the rise, who was taking this roster of

210
00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,280
Speaker 1: veterans and maximizing things too. It really being the Tom

211
00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,400
Speaker 1: Brady Show, and he was the veteran and he was

212
00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,440
Speaker 1: the guy and everybody's looking up to him. This is

213
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of the same opportunity for Tatum. It was Tatum's team,

214
00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,400
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it was Tatum's team, but you

215
00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 1: still had Al Horford and Drew Holiday as those veteran leaders,

216
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,840
Speaker 1: and he was still I don't want to say like

217
00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,480
Speaker 1: up and coming. We knew who he was, but he

218
00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,040
Speaker 1: was considered like one of the younger superstars in the game.

219
00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,040
Speaker 1: He's coming back as like the veteran get on my back.

220
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: Here we go. It's you know, old head Jason Tatum

221
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,439
Speaker 1: leading this group of young, younger players. I think that's

222
00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,200
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be when it comes back, which it

223
00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,880
Speaker 1: was for Brady. Right the twenty ten, twenty eleven drafts,

224
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 1: you get two thousand and nine, you get Edelman, Gronk, Slater, mccordy,

225
00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,560
Speaker 1: like that whole thing, the other tight end. That's what

226
00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,240
Speaker 1: I think the Celtics need to do here in the

227
00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,800
Speaker 1: next two years is have that kind of transformation like

228
00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 1: the Patriots did in the early twenty tens.

229
00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,240
Speaker 2: So the last thing I'll say about this, because I

230
00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,600
Speaker 2: know people are probably some people hate when we talk

231
00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 2: about other sports on this show, so I'll just wrap

232
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,720
Speaker 2: it up with this today is where we went from

233
00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040
Speaker 2: denial last night was depression.

234
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,160
Speaker 1: Finally to acceptance.

235
00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,240
Speaker 2: Last night was depression.

236
00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,280
Speaker 1: What's your hobby? By the way, like flat.

237
00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,560
Speaker 2: I told Alex that I was going to pick up

238
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,640
Speaker 2: a new hobby because I just I still think anymore

239
00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,560
Speaker 2: at flat out depression last night anger slash depression. Today

240
00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,679
Speaker 2: is is acceptance slash? What's the word?

241
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,520
Speaker 1: Just? Moving? Moving forward?

242
00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:57,720
Speaker 3: No?

243
00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,679
Speaker 1: But do we do now?

244
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,360
Speaker 2: Just like ridiculous overconfidence that he's gonna come back sooner

245
00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,680
Speaker 2: than I think you're gonna be over.

246
00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,680
Speaker 1: Confident about anything. It should be the Celtics still winning

247
00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,079
Speaker 1: the season.

248
00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm not over confident. I'm not any sort of confidence.

249
00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,080
Speaker 2: I think there's a better chance maybe, but not.

250
00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a better chance the Celtics win this

251
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,240
Speaker 1: series than there is of Tatum coming back, like to

252
00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,839
Speaker 1: play a meaningful game six season.

253
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Speaker 2: So I this is why I disagree with you a

254
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,400
Speaker 2: little bit. And this is totally cope, totally green team

255
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,760
Speaker 2: or cope. But the green teamer take right now, I'll

256
00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 2: say put it to you that way. He had the

257
00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,040
Speaker 2: surgery right away. Yeah, And a big reason why he

258
00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,840
Speaker 2: had the surgery right away is because it's like the quickest.

259
00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,559
Speaker 1: Path it's supposed to help recovery yet back.

260
00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,840
Speaker 2: Now, everybody says you miss a calendar year, but there

261
00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,079
Speaker 2: are guys that have come back quicker. He is twenty seven,

262
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,440
Speaker 2: he's in peak physical condition. He's never been hurt before.

263
00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,840
Speaker 2: There's been it's been. There's a clean rupture and a

264
00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,800
Speaker 2: clean surgery from everything that we've heard. So it's not

265
00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,080
Speaker 2: totally out of the realm of possibility that by like

266
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,280
Speaker 2: March or April of next year, he could try to

267
00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,320
Speaker 2: ramp it up to be make it for the playoffs.

268
00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they should do that, right,

269
00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's smart. I'm just saying that

270
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,960
Speaker 2: it's not completely crazy to say that there's a chance

271
00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,760
Speaker 2: that let's say they are the Bridge Celtics, and let's

272
00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,880
Speaker 2: say they are pacing to win fifty games, which in

273
00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120
Speaker 2: this Eastern Conference might be like the three or four

274
00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,880
Speaker 2: seed in the East. And then you see it, look

275
00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 2: at it, and you say, well, he's good. You know,

276
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,880
Speaker 2: he's ready to come back. You know, in late March

277
00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,600
Speaker 2: early April, we have ten more regular season games to

278
00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,040
Speaker 2: get him into some game shape. It's not crazy to

279
00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,480
Speaker 2: think that he could play at the end of next

280
00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,120
Speaker 2: year because of his age and because of the history

281
00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,679
Speaker 2: in terms of his you know, work ethic and all

282
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,040
Speaker 2: that good stuff. That's total copium. That is an absolute

283
00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,400
Speaker 2: green teamer take. But I that's out there this morning

284
00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,040
Speaker 2: a little bit amongst us, you know, diehard Celtics fans

285
00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 2: that it's not totally outlandish to think that he could maybe.

286
00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,840
Speaker 1: If they're not a true contender, just let him rest,

287
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe a couple games at the end of the year,

288
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,880
Speaker 1: to get his feet back.

289
00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,280
Speaker 2: No, I don't need him to play, and I think

290
00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,520
Speaker 2: I would probably prefer them to just treat next year

291
00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,560
Speaker 2: as a reset season.

292
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,280
Speaker 1: We'll see in October. What would it be, October twenty

293
00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,160
Speaker 1: twenty six, No, October twenty twenty seven, No, twenty six,

294
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,240
Speaker 1: twenty six. Next year is the twenty five six, Yeah,

295
00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,120
Speaker 1: I'll see October twenty six. That's where I Matt.

296
00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like I hear that. But at the

297
00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,960
Speaker 2: same time, if they're again, if they're the Isaiah Thomas

298
00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,200
Speaker 2: Bridgie Celtics and they're a fifty win team without him,

299
00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320
Speaker 2: and they really feel like they could get hot at

300
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,320
Speaker 2: the right time, I'm not rolling it out, That's all

301
00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I can't roll it out for my own psyche.

302
00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,120
Speaker 1: I can't have this argument again next year, Ricky Minticamp,

303
00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,080
Speaker 1: Let's talk Patriots.

304
00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, thank you, I appreciate I had to you know,

305
00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,320
Speaker 2: I had the vent a little bit.

306
00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,720
Speaker 1: I needed a little.

307
00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 2: Therapy there, right to vent for a second about what

308
00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,320
Speaker 2: just happened to my team, Rookie Mini Camp. We were

309
00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,160
Speaker 2: out there. God, what was it Friday? About? All these

310
00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,280
Speaker 2: in a blaze at this point Friday watching Rookie Mini Caamp.

311
00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,960
Speaker 2: I think the biggest takeaway, And again we always preface

312
00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,800
Speaker 2: these things and as we should. Nobody is putting anybody

313
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,160
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, and nobody is putting anybody

314
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,800
Speaker 2: in the bust category because of one day of Rookie

315
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,320
Speaker 2: Mini Caamp practice. Like, none of these takeaways, none of

316
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,520
Speaker 2: these opinions are are should be, or are anything crazy

317
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,640
Speaker 2: in terms of expectations for any of these guys. But

318
00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,880
Speaker 2: I think everybody's biggest takeaway, just listening around to what

319
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,480
Speaker 2: other people who were there were saying, was just more

320
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,240
Speaker 2: about the coaching staff and about Mike Rabel and just

321
00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,240
Speaker 2: watching Mike Rabel conduct a practice and how hands on

322
00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,560
Speaker 2: he is as a coach, how active he is throughout

323
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 2: the practice, is the pace of practice I thought was

324
00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 2: noticeably quicker, maybe even more noticeably than the end of Belichick,

325
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,720
Speaker 2: I would say, and that's not what veterans. So we'll

326
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,240
Speaker 2: see what happens when, you know, the experienced guys get

327
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 2: in there, maybe it drags a little bit more. But

328
00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,240
Speaker 2: it felt fast paced, it felt energetic, it felt loud,

329
00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,080
Speaker 2: like I just like felt like I heard a lot

330
00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 2: of things now we were inside, So maybe that was

331
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,080
Speaker 2: a fact that, but it just felt like it not

332
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,160
Speaker 2: just Rabel, you know, all the coaches. It felt like

333
00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,480
Speaker 2: they really were setting a tone and an energy. And

334
00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,720
Speaker 2: then of course, you know, Mike Rabel is just every

335
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760
Speaker 2: single position is getting coached by Mike Rable, Like there's

336
00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,120
Speaker 2: not one one spot, from special teams drills, to receivers,

337
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,240
Speaker 2: to tight ends to offensive line, defensive line, which is

338
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,680
Speaker 2: what you would expect, you know, defensive line, and linebacker.

339
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, he's playing like scout team linebacker. You know,

340
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,560
Speaker 2: at one point in this practice, he it was impressive

341
00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,520
Speaker 2: to watch, Like I look at that and come away

342
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 2: personally exhausted from watching how adiv is and like asking myself,

343
00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,120
Speaker 2: is it truly realistic to do that for six straight months?

344
00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,840
Speaker 2: Like once training camp comes around, but he does it

345
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 2: like he has that kind of energy.

346
00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's their plant. Like, I think

347
00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,479
Speaker 1: that's the way he's gonna do this is he's going

348
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,960
Speaker 1: to be involved in every little bit of it. And

349
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,560
Speaker 1: we heard from Milton Williams yesterday kind of a story

350
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,119
Speaker 1: about how they were running it sound like they were

351
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,719
Speaker 1: running gassers and Williams knew he was going to get

352
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,159
Speaker 1: to line in time and he kind of pulled up

353
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,760
Speaker 1: and Rabel called him out for it. It's the highest

354
00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,200
Speaker 1: paid free agent in you know, April or May on

355
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,639
Speaker 1: one rep and Rabel stepped in and told him to

356
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,800
Speaker 1: run it like he's watching everything. He's doing everything. He's

357
00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,880
Speaker 1: involved in everything. True CEO head coach. And we talked

358
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,800
Speaker 1: about the salt the last years. That's not easy to do. No,

359
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,240
Speaker 1: we kind of saw a little taste of it on Friday.

360
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,800
Speaker 2: He's going up to land lairs and correcting around. He's

361
00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,679
Speaker 2: going up to CJ. Dupree and making a correction. It

362
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 2: was and it was expected from my vantage point that

363
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,640
Speaker 2: he'd be doing that kind of stuff with the offensive

364
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 2: and defensive line, like that's where his specialty is. Even

365
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,520
Speaker 2: special teams and he mentioned it in his press conference,

366
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,399
Speaker 2: like he played a ton of special teams throughout his

367
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,239
Speaker 2: NFL career, especially early in Pittsburgh, So I had all

368
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,119
Speaker 2: the expectations in the world that those were going to

369
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,440
Speaker 2: be areas of expertise for him. But even going out

370
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 2: and like coaching you know, route like top of the

371
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,439
Speaker 2: route technique and like being able to break that kind

372
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,800
Speaker 2: of stuff down that that was impressive. You know, that

373
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,840
Speaker 2: tells you a guy that knows every single detail of

374
00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 2: a football team.

375
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,439
Speaker 1: And I think some of this is your And I

376
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,520
Speaker 1: don't know if he was doing that in Tennessee or not,

377
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,840
Speaker 1: but I think you're seeing the value of his I

378
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know, what, do we want to call it a

379
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 1: gap year? Yeah, you know, being an exchange student in

380
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland last year on the offensive side of the ball

381
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,720
Speaker 1: and getting to work right now. He said he worked

382
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,000
Speaker 1: mostly with the offensive line, but did some with tight ends.

383
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,240
Speaker 1: Where this is relevant, I think you're kind of seeing

384
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 1: that where he has this more well rounded background than

385
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,800
Speaker 1: maybe he had when he started coaching.

386
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,200
Speaker 2: So the other takeaway that I had on the coaching front,

387
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 2: I had known this because we had done some some

388
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,159
Speaker 2: videos and stuff like that with him. But Josh McDaniel's

389
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 2: probably lost like one hundred pounds.

390
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks good.

391
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we got felt McDaniel's like, this looks like

392
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,239
Speaker 2: two thousand and five six Josh McDaniels. He looks like

393
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: another guy that he took the full year off. You know,

394
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: we're able didn't, but he took the full year off.

395
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 2: And now it feels like maybe revitalized, you were, rejuvenated,

396
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 2: you know, whatever word you want to use to describe it.

397
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 2: But we haven't got to see him up close with

398
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 2: Drake May yet that will be cool. But we saw

399
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,919
Speaker 2: him coaching Kyle Williams up a little bit, you know,

400
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 2: just a vibrant Josh, rejuvenated Josh McDaniels, which I found interesting.

401
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: It looks like a like a totally different person, Like

402
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 2: he cut his weight in half and and that's a

403
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means anything at all. It

404
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 2: just was an observation that he he looked like a

405
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: more energetic, spelt guy out there. Let's get to the players.

406
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: Will Campbell obviously started starting in order off the top

407
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 2: here at left tackle. There's no there's no Peter Skeronsky

408
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: going on here. We're not you know, cross training or

409
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 2: unsure or whatever the case may be. I know we

410
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: posted some pictures yesterday from UH practice with the veterans

411
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 2: with Drake May, and he's on Drake May's blindside at

412
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: left tackle right away. So that was the first takeaway

413
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: was just there's no question internally, I don't think about

414
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 2: is he a tackle? Is he a guard? At least

415
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 2: early on, He's going to be a tackle and there's

416
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: not going to be any debate about that. The other

417
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: thing that I just again, it's against blocking pads with

418
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: no pads on in a day one a rookie minicamp.

419
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 2: But you can see the power and you can you

420
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: can see the hands and the grip strength that we

421
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 2: talked a ton about during the draft process and the

422
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: way you know, he explodes out of his ants and

423
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: with a really good leverage and really good power from

424
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 2: the ground up and his hands, you know, his finishing ability.

425
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: You you could see that even just watching him, you know,

426
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 2: block against against the pads and things like that. You know,

427
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: there's a pop that he makes when he makes contact

428
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: with that pad. So I we you know, still don't

429
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: know about pass protection that that's gonna be the number

430
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: one thing with him. The length stuff and all that

431
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: stuff is going to impact him a lot more in

432
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: pass protection than it is in run blocking. But just

433
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: watching him move and watching him go through drills and

434
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: from a run blocking perspective, it was it was exactly

435
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: what I expected to see and it checked the box

436
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: for me one hundred percent that I wanted to see

437
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: out of a non padded thing. Like I compared it

438
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: when we were watching during practice. This is a pro day,

439
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: right like that. Yeah, this is what it looks like

440
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: for offensive lineman out of Pro day. This is what

441
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna see. They're gonna be hitting blocking pads. They're

442
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: going to be executing different blocks on the line of scrimmage,

443
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: most likely you know, reach blocks, combos, doubles, you know

444
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: those types of things like that's what you're gonna ask

445
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: him to do in this kind of setting. And you

446
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: can easily see the athleticism, the exposedness, the power that

447
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: he has in his frame. How all that is going

448
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: to translate nicely to run blocking. Well, we'll see about

449
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: the pass pro but from the run blocking perspective, it

450
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: was cool to see to hear that that thud, to

451
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: hear it like hear how powerful and strong he is

452
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: into the blocking pads was. I watched it for like

453
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: a good twenty minutes. I was really impressed and into it.

454
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And another thing like going through they actually weren't

455
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: using whistles. The coaches were just yelling whistle at the

456
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: end of each rep. But you know sometimes guy would

457
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: go through rep of your whistle and the guy would

458
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: just kind of stop. With Will Campbell, you'd hear whistle, whistle, whistle,

459
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: like just finishing every single rep, which obviously we've seen

460
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: him do on tape. There was this weird narrative out

461
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: there that he wasn't like physical and that he wasn't

462
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: that much of a bully leading up to the draft.

463
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't quite know about that one. Yeah, no, I

464
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: you saw a little bit of that.

465
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: You saw everything you wanted to see. And the last

466
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: thing I would say about Will Campbell just talking to

467
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: some of his coaches down at LSU for the future

468
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: that I wrote about him on the website, the one

469
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 2: thing that a lot of them mentioned was he's a

470
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: true tone setter of the offensive line. And again, no

471
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: one's fitting him for Red Jackets. There's a long way

472
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: to go. There's still a lot of question marks about

473
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: some of the things with his game. If he practices

474
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: that hard in May at a rookie Mini caamp, that's

475
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: when you talk about the culture stuff like, that's when

476
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: you talk about setting tones and being that kind of

477
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: guy and leading by example and all that kind of stuff.

478
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: He was blocking like it was game speed in day

479
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: one of rookie Minicamp in the middle of May. So

480
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: if you want to re establish a culture and re

481
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: establish a just a baseline work ethic in an offensive

482
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: line room, that's what that's what it needs to be. Like,

483
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: that's what your best player in the fourth overall pick

484
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: in the draft needs to do. He needs to practice

485
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: like that, right, And that was probably out of all

486
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: this other stuff we're talking about with Campbell, I would

487
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: say the effort was probably the number one thing to

488
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 2: take away from this kind of setting was just you

489
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: could see that it was tangible that, Okay, this guy

490
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: our fourth overall pick. If I'm Jack Conley right like

491
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm an undrafted rookie trying to make the roster, and

492
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: the fourth overall pick is balking through the whistle and

493
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: taking every rep like a game rep in Rookie Mini Caamp, well,

494
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: I better up my game too. I better get to

495
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: that level as well. And you hope that that trickles

496
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: in even with veterans as we go here and the

497
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: guys that have been here, so that that was good

498
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: to see as well. From Will Campbell. Again, you know,

499
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: looks part, fills out the suit, whatever cliche you want

500
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: to use. We did not see Travon Henderson. He was

501
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: there for the rest of many camp. It looks right like,

502
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: but he just wasn't there for the day that it

503
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: was open to the media. So I'll skip Travon Henderson.

504
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: There's no more speculation needed about why he wasn't there.

505
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: He was there on one of the other days they

506
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: put out pictures. Yeah, he was there at some point.

507
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: I believe it was Saturday that they put out the

508
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: picture that he was there, and then he was there

509
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: yesterday or whatever. Those pictures were taken from Ota Is

510
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: taking handoffs from Jake May. So he's here, he's not.

511
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: There's no more, uh, you know, if there ever was

512
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: any concern about him not participating, he's participating now. So

513
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, I thought, again, moved well and just kind

514
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: of looked the part as well. So I'm working a

515
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: lot on the outside, which I think is tells you

516
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: a little bit about there are plans for him, at

517
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: least in the short term in terms of where he's

518
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: going to train and where he's going to fit in

519
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: right away. But there was there was a certain speed

520
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: to his game and quickness to his game that I liked.

521
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: They did a open field leveraging drill. They obviously aren't tackling.

522
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: There's no pads, so they're not tackling anybody, but they're

523
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: just angling, you know, to tackle people. And in a

524
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: phone booth he made a guy look silly like you

525
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 2: got dough for him and just completely missed and ended

526
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: up falling, basically dropping the guy to the ground. Right,

527
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: So you see some of the quickness in a phone booth.

528
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: You certainly see some of the separation ability and in

529
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: the team drills that we did get a look at.

530
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: So again, same thing, like I said with Bill Campbell,

531
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: just kind of a box checked for Kyle Williams. I

532
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: thought that he looked as a speed receiver should in

533
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: this kind of setting, I should come away and pressed

534
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: with well his speed, and I was pretty impressed with

535
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: the speed.

536
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that it's it was tough for

537
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: a lot of the pass catching players because the quarterbacks

538
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: and a ton of help. But yeah, you're right, he

539
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: moved well and saw a lot of them on the outside,

540
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: which is notable.

541
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: All right, So those were the draft picks.

542
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: You know.

543
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson I thought, didn't do a ton in this practice.

544
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: You know, they had him snapping, he's playing center, like

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: those are the types of things you're looking for. But

546
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't necessarily see him. You know, in

547
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: this kind of setting, the center is not going to

548
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: be super active in drills, so I wouldn't necessarily have

549
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: a big take about him. The two defensive linemen, Joshua

550
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: Farmer and Brandon Swinson. The biggest thing I just saw

551
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: with those two guys is that you know, they their

552
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: physical traits looked how I was hoping they would look.

553
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: You know, they they you know, Farmer is maybe a

554
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: little shorter than I was expecting just in person, but

555
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: the long arms were obvious, Like you could see that

556
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: he's got long arms and sort of a I would say,

557
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: like almost like a key on white build to him,

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: Like he's you can see sort of like a raw

559
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: tools the athletic guy out of his build. You know,

560
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: Swinson was that an athletic, you know, outside pass rusher,

561
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: you know, edge rusher looked to him, but that that

562
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: was farmer kind of looked a little bit like ke

563
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: On White to me. And interesting that practice is the

564
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: way the cut.

565
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit bigger. Yeah, but yeah,

566
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: I could see that.

567
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that in terms of their playing style necessarily,

568
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: there's a ton of Simie right physically. Let's get to

569
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: the undrafted free agents.

570
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't I've won take on one more of their

571
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: draft pars. Yeah, Marcus Bryant, the tackle from Missouri, is

572
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: like insanely huge. Yea, Like he's he he was dwarfing everybody.

573
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

574
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: Like I saw him next to Will Campbell and I thought, like,

575
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: Will Campbell looked small, and then I saw them next

576
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: to everybody else and I was like, no, Will campbells

577
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: still the second biggest guy out here. Marcus Bryant is

578
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: massive and with his athleticism, man, if they can get

579
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: him going, if they can fix some of that technique stuff,

580
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like again, I think he might almost

581
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: be too big, just in terms of the height and

582
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: leverage and stuff. But you just talk about raw traits

583
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and a guy that has some tools you want to

584
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: work with. Yeah, he's really big, he moves well like that.

585
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I can't believe he fell as far as he did.

586
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he was gonna be like a top

587
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: to hundred pick or anything, or a top one fifty pick,

588
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I should say. But like, there's some fun traits there,

589
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: there really are.

590
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: He's he's a little high cut. I think that was

591
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: one thing that people had against him was long legs,

592
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: short torso, high cut frame, which typically tends to lead

593
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: to some issues with leveraging or pad level and your blocking.

594
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: When you're built like that, especially at tackle like it's

595
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: harder to get underneath guys, it's harder to get hands

596
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: on speed because you don't have the bend in that

597
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: flexibility in your lower halft to do that. There's good

598
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: tackles that have gotten away with it being high cut

599
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: like that and have had really good NFL careers, So

600
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's impossible. But he's an athletic guy,

601
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. And he's a big dude,

602
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, and that's all we're looking for this

603
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: time of year in terms of the undrafted rookies. I

604
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: had some fun during practice with some of these guys.

605
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: You will one guy in in particular, Uh, and it's

606
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: not who you think. Some of it was kind of

607
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: tongue in cheek because like.

608
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: It stuff was legit.

609
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: I I like the cut of the of his jib,

610
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: as Paul Parrella likes to say, I was impressed, a

611
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: more impressed than I thought I was going to be

612
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: about Land Larison and just uh the burst that he has,

613
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: Like he's not I still don't think that he's going

614
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: to have great long speed right, Like, he's not a

615
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 2: top end home run hitter type of running back. But

616
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: for the role that I think he projects best into,

617
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: which is that James White, Shane Ververen, Kevin Falk, third

618
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: down running back type of role. He's got good initial quickness,

619
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, out of routes and burst into the flats

620
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: and to the top of the route and things like that.

621
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: And he's got a little bit of juice at the

622
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: top of the route, like a little bit of wiggle

623
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: there to his game. So he's wearing thirty four. He

624
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: kind of looks like rexburg Head. He's playing like rex Burke.

625
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: I think that comparison still exists in my mind, at

626
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: least for land Larrison, but in general, that's where what

627
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: my takeaway with him was was like, you know that

628
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: movement skill that those traits like that lends that themselves

629
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: to that kind of role in the in this offense,

630
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Like he at least has that baseline of Okay, he

631
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: moves the way that you need to move to be

632
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: able to succeed in that role.

633
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's there's quickness to it. There's real quickness

634
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and subtleness to his game. So that was impressive. I'm

635
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: surprised you weren't more impressed with Chisholm just gets open,

636
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: the subtleness of his ro out running, just really smart player,

637
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: The way he sees the field, create separation, things like that.

638
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, these are all things you see on tape.

639
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: You see it in person. You can see some more

640
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: of than nuance in the fort work and things like that. CJ.

641
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: DePree another guy that you know. Seeing him in person,

642
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: you see the list in size right, six five, two

643
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: fifty whatever, you see him in person, it's like, okay,

644
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: like he looks like a tackle. Yeah, he's built like

645
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: Nate Soulder kind Yeah, he's you know, forty pounds later,

646
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: but built like Nate Solder, moves better than I thought.

647
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Guy that's going one hundred percent every rep. I think

648
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: it's the guys we've talked about, the one guy I

649
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: wonder And maybe this is just because they haven't really

650
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: done install They were using brock Lampy more as a

651
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: tight end than a traditional fullback. Maybe that's because they're

652
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: going through some very fine and he did do some

653
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: traditional fullback stuff. Maybe it's because that's not all installed

654
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: yet or whatever, But that was the one thing I

655
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: noticed that I was like, if if he's just gonna

656
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: compete mainly as a tight end, I don't think he's gonna.

657
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: Make the team. So there are there was some stuff

658
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: on his tape at Northern Illinois, you know, talking about

659
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: brock Lampy. Yeah, wing blocking, not as much in line

660
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: like hand in the dirt sixth offensive lineman type stuff,

661
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: more like h BAC move tight end.

662
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

663
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: Angles that he was taking that weren't true full back

664
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: backfield rep. So he has that in his back.

665
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I just think if that's what you want,

666
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: jaheen Beale's better. We talked about this last week. If

667
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: you want.

668
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Differently, so that like that's the only pushback I would

669
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: have on that because Lampy's what like six two fifty

670
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: two sixty, Like he's built like a mac truck, whereas

671
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: Bell is like an athletic tight end.

672
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: But if you want if you want Kyle Yuschek, right, yeah,

673
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: it's it's Jean Bell. If you want the guy that's

674
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: going to be more tight end than fullback, would beyond

675
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: that hybrid, it's going to be Gene Bell. If you

676
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: want Yakub Johnson, James Devlin, that kind of guy, it's

677
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Brock Lampy. You wanted the hybrid, you would have drafted

678
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: rob youts.

679
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: Well, the hybrid is sort of what I'm thinking is

680
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: maybe the role that they have in mind. And when

681
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: you watch Ravens tape or Chargers tape with their guys

682
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: that are more are bigger than Lampy, a lot of Yeah,

683
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: those guys are like converted defensive linemen that are now

684
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: playing as blockers for those two teams for the Harbas.

685
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: But when you watch them, they do take a lot

686
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: of reps as in that wing role, right, which is

687
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: like off the line tight end next to the Why

688
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: that's a little bit further out and there's a little

689
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: back on the line of scrimmage, and that role is

690
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of different things you can

691
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: do within that role because of the alignment. You can

692
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: have him get out and block on the perimeter and

693
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: block corners and you know, slot corners and outside corners

694
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: on tosses or outside zone you can sift them, you know,

695
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: block across the formation, coming back to across the grain,

696
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: and like a split zone or a duo scheme, you

697
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: can have him insert up to the second level as

698
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: well in duo. So like there's a bunch of different

699
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: things that you can do from that position as well

700
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: as you know, having those guys to block as like

701
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: a full back if you want it, to move him

702
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: into that kind of role. So maybe that's more of

703
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: the role that this is evolving to under McDaniels. It's

704
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: definitely not so much with the chargers, but with the Ravens,

705
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: like it's more of like a wing t you know,

706
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: option offense role. So if they are thinking of putting

707
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff in with Drake, may not to

708
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: run him like Lamar Jackson, but like just a little

709
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: bit of it and have a touch of it then

710
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: maybe that that's part of what their thought process is.

711
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: But I thought Lampy's blocking tape from the various alignments

712
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: is definitely better than gams.

713
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Well, so that's what I go back to. If you're

714
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna have that guy spend any sort of amount of

715
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: time meeting a linebacker in the A gap, yeah, it

716
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: has to be Broccolin. Yeah, and I think that I

717
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: don't think can do that. And they can pay base

718
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: I think right. And they can both make the team too,

719
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily one or the other. Now that means

720
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: probably five wide receivers instead of six, or you're keeping

721
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant as your third tackle so you don't have

722
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: to keep low In Jacobs as direct positional backups. Maybe

723
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: they're keeping one less cornering come from anywhere, one less

724
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: running back. But they can both make the team. It's

725
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: just gonna come down to those those at large spots.

726
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I I I still won't. I will

727
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: believe that lead with the full back in the backfield

728
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: going up to the linebacker in the A gap is

729
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: going to be a in Josh McDaniel's offense until it

730
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: isn't like that is a day one Josh McDaniel staple.

731
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: It was in Vegas, it was with the Patriots, Like,

732
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine that that's not gonna be anywhere

733
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 2: in the playbook, Like they're just gonna completely walk away

734
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: from that kind of stuff. So I have to imagine

735
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: that that's gonna be there. Now, could it be there

736
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: on goal line and short yardage? And you're using a

737
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: sixth offensive lineman as an eligible player because it's a

738
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: situational thing only like sure, I don't know if it's

739
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: gonna be in there first and ten from the twenty five, Like,

740
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like gonna be a base

741
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: offense type of thing for them or not, But I

742
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: it's gonna be in the playbook, like it's gonna be

743
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: in their installations and things like that. So it'd be

744
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: interesting to see where they go with that. Jack Conley,

745
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: there's another guy there, And I was encouraged by what

746
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: I saw at Boston College out of Jack Conley, what

747
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: I heard at his pro day about his versatility and

748
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: about some of the different things that he could do

749
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: from you know, playing guard, tackle, jumbo tight end, like

750
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: all across.

751
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: UH.

752
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: The offensive line certainly has size. You know certainly looks

753
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: the part like some of these other guys like we're

754
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: talking about. So, I mean I've seen let's not get

755
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: carried away with Jack Conley, Like no one's really giving

756
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: him a shot right now at left guard, I don't think.

757
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: I think we're a ways, a long ways away from

758
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: him being in a conversation of actually seeing the field

759
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: making the roster. But another one of those guys that

760
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: I thought just kind of stood out. I mean, he's

761
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: a big dude. Well he's bigger than Will Camp.

762
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: We from a we just talked about tracking the roster spots,

763
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: and that's a guy that can maybe play four spots

764
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: yeah for you as a backup. So that's relevant. Just

765
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: along those lines, I was talking about this with somebody yesterday.

766
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: That left guard spot is probably the most wide open

767
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: right of any on the roster starting left guard, and

768
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of thrown out three lead contenders. And we'll

769
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: get a better idea of what this looks like it,

770
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, over the next couple of weeks ago. DA's

771
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: a mini camp but lighton Robinson City, so cold strange. Yeah,

772
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: what are the odds that the week one starting left

773
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: guard is not in that group of three because I

774
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: think it's bigger than people think. And that could be

775
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: Wes Switz, or that could be Taking Wilson, that can

776
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: be Jack Conley, could be this the other UDFA they

777
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: signed from Arkansas State who was with them on a

778
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: tryout basis, Like I don't know, I put it like

779
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty percent.

780
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: That high. Yeah, Jared Wilson definitely pushes it into a

781
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: possibility range, right, you know, he could he could definitely

782
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: come out in training camp and they could look at

783
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: it and say he's just too good to keep him

784
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: off the field, Like we need to find a spot

785
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: for him. Maybe it's out, like we talked about this

786
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: a little bit last week. Maybe it's that left guard

787
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: to start, so that you're taking the center of responsibilities

788
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: off of him as a rookie and make it easier.

789
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: I still think it's a long way or a long

790
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: way away from talking about a Jack Conley or any

791
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: UDFA pushing to start Schweitzer is interesting.

792
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Well, just remember when I told you last year that

793
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan had a chance started left guard. He told

794
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: me was gonna make the team.

795
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but that shouldn't have been the case.

796
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: No, he was the best left guard last year at

797
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: this point.

798
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Which is an indictment on the roster.

799
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: It's an indictment on the roster. But they go it's

800
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: the same guys.

801
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: They're better now than they were then.

802
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: It's the same guys they did not need to start.

803
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he can win the starting jobs.

804
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: I think West Wwhitz are no offense, no no disrespect.

805
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: Men like West Sweitzer. To me, is Michael Jordan right

806
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: like that. He's a veteran guy that's kicked around the league,

807
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: that has some starts under his belt. But that's what

808
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: he in terms of the talent level of the player,

809
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 2: he's a He's a Michael Jordan.

810
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: But it's the same guys. Well, I guess City so

811
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: has hurt. City would have started last.

812
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: Year because like Landon Robinson, is Cole Strange wasn't wasn't

813
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: there at that point last year. So it's not the

814
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: same guys. If they're in a position where they're starting

815
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan equivalent week one and left guard, things

816
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: went wrong fair enough, things went like multiple people would

817
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: I still think if.

818
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson starting Week one, it's a center. I think

819
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: they want to keep Met center Mike Rabel kind of

820
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: said that last week.

821
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. I just at some point it

822
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: get you get into the season and it comes about

823
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: winning five.

824
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: I look, I think it's gonna be city. So I

825
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: know there was a picture going around yesterday from whatever

826
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: practice that was West Schweitzer. I think this time of year,

827
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: I would expect a lot of that when Tuesday we're

828
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: out there for the first time. Wednesday, Yeah, whatever it is,

829
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I would expect to see a lot of that over

830
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: the first OTA practice or too, just because it's it's veterans.

831
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: Veterans generally get the nod this time of year. It's

832
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: like how Bailey's AFFI was repping over Drake May last

833
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: year when we started the spring, right, I would expect

834
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: to see quite a bit of that in the rookies.

835
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: By the time we get to Mini camp, I think

836
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: we'll see the rookies more involved.

837
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: All right, So that's rooky Minichamp and I just love

838
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: and I see it in the chat. I'm sure we

839
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: got got some emails about it. I just love how

840
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: ten minutes of anything that's not Patriots sets all of you.

841
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: We made it a little bit. We tried to make

842
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: it Patriots, Ralph.

843
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: It's also may Okay, yeah, and uh and I'm sorry,

844
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: but I'm in a bad I'm in a bad place

845
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: right now. Okay, I'm in a bad place. It's a

846
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: dark time right now.

847
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: What's your new hobby gonna be?

848
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: I'll let you know. I'm still haven't.

849
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: Decided or any of my pitch is being considered.

850
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. You keep trying to pitch golf to me,

851
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to golf, and he should golf.

852
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: It's a golf is going to great escapism hobby.

853
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: Golf is like similar to how like when I hear golf,

854
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: it's similar to like remember when like CrossFit first became

855
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: really popular.

856
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: It's so different and everybody just.

857
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: Like cross cross like golf is. It's it's like golf.

858
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: Has been around since like centuries out. I'm glad i'mrect

859
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: me more of a bird watching guy.

860
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad you enjoy it it works for you. Don't

861
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: try to make me golf. I don't want a golf.

862
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in it. Bad take that's it. I've

863
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: done it. I've done it a couple of times in

864
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: my life, and I don't enjoy it.

865
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Right. So my one other pitch to Evan was he

866
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: should get into video games because if he gets into

867
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: video games, we could play CFB and Madden on Twitch. Yeah,

868
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: and if you're in the chat, would you want to

869
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: watch me and Evan talk Patriots when we played Madden

870
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: some sort of football video game. So because maybe we

871
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: can make that a thing.

872
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: I'll say this Madden is a possibility because I've seen

873
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: some of the innovations of Madden, and like I do

874
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: feel like you when you know as much about football

875
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: like we do, like you can kind of coach the

876
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: team and like drop plays and like like you can

877
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: see shells a defense.

878
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: So they really unlocked that last year. You can now

879
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: do like so before it was like if you were

880
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: in cover two lined up in cover two. They put

881
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: in a mechanic now where you can set a covered shell,

882
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: like you can open and cover one and then go

883
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: to cover two or whatever. You can do like custom

884
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: route stems now on offense. So the College one is

885
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: really where they unlocked that. So like just looking at

886
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: it and then you can play two K and you

887
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: can like sit playing with Jase table.

888
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: So like, no, I can't do that.

889
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: All right, I want to see you play sixty four

890
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: blitz where you can't do any of you can't.

891
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: He's not gonna do blitz. You're not an NFL blitz guy.

892
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: I was.

893
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: I was as a kid.

894
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not now I know that.

895
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: No. Like I mean, they literally don't call passing appearance.

896
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: It's like you can just tackle the gain.

897
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I'll still pitch. I'm pitching. I'm pitching mad in CFP,

898
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: and then in CFB you can start learning some of

899
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: the players for the draft.

900
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: It's it's an option. And like I said, I think

901
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: the main reason is it's like I watch all this

902
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: film like it'd be kind of cool to put it

903
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: to the test, right right, Like if I'm playing quarterback

904
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: and I watched Drake May and I criticize him when

905
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: he like makes a wrong read, Like am I able

906
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: to actually on the fly, like notice a coverage rotation,

907
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Like I d what they're in, know where my beaters are,

908
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 2: get to the beater, Like obviously I'm not making the throw,

909
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: but I can do the mental process of what I do.

910
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: Now, So you're not making the throw. But they have

911
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: like a throw meter now or like you have to

912
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: decide exactly how much touch you want to put on

913
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: the ball or how much zip so like, mentally you

914
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: have to decide like the vision very different than the visions,

915
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: very different. Think like think like a shot meter in

916
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: two K. But for past Okay, sorry, I'm put in

917
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: the chat. If you want to see me and Evan

918
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: play Madden or the college game, you can get.

919
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: I don't even have a console. I get you on

920
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: the console. But if you want to see it, put

921
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: it in the chat. Maybe enough of us can convince

922
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: even to make this a thing, because I think we'd

923
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: have fun. Hey Patriots fans, if you want to see

924
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, go

925
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to buy a Toyota dot com. It's Toyoto's official website

926
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: for deals from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota.

927
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: Let's go places and uh this is tough for read

928
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: right now dreaming of next season for vampire sleep routine

929
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: before kickoff with the luxurious and affordable matches from Bob's

930
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: Discount Furniture. When you team up Bob's every day low

931
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: prices with premium feed like the Envy's hand tough tensil

932
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 2: knit cover naturally breatheable silk and wool fibers and heavenly

933
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: hybrid construction. You're in for a sleep win outs. Do

934
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: you want tensil knit covers? That sounds interesting, sounds cool?

935
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: You're in for a sleep win or try one of

936
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: Bob's Consumer Reports recommended picks like the Treasure of Copper Radiance.

937
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: Get winning sleep at Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture

938
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: store of the New England Patriots.

939
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: All Right, the chat likes any of us playing Madden,

940
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: but they think I'd win. So you've been calling.

941
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you definitely been. I haven't played

942
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: Madden in like ten years.

943
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: What we get, I give you like a run up

944
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: before it's like serious, before we really count it.

945
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into our roster reset here on the defense,

946
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll do like a couple positions and then

947
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: we'll open it up because I know people are waiting.

948
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: With pose less positions on defense and offense.

949
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: So let's start with the defensive line. There are twelve

950
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: names to get through here, so bear with me. Milton Williams,

951
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore, Kean White, Joshua Farmer, Kyrie's Tanga Jeremiah Farms,

952
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: Jacqueline Roy, Eric Johnson, Jumaine Jones, Javari Ritzy, Isaiah iiden

953
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: eighten I believe, and uh Wilfred Penny are your defensive

954
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: lineman right now. So in for the sake of facilitation,

955
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: I had two little things I jotted down here yep,

956
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: the first one and uh this one is the most

957
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: interesting thing to me. Uh just get the caveat of

958
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: the way Christian Barmore, like, is he gonna be available?

959
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: Is he not gonna be available that you know? Is

960
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: he gonna uh be one hundred percent go no setbacks

961
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: like last year when he tried to come back. All

962
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: that stuff is is definitely out there. But what's a

963
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: little bit more interesting to me just in terms of,

964
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: uh this defensive line outlook? Is there another level for

965
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Keon White like I have? Is this the best key

966
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: on White is gonna be or is there another level?

967
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: And can Mike Vrabel and hopefully one sees you know,

968
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: his health is in better order, Torell Williams, Yeah, come

969
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: back and be able to get that out of him.

970
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: And because I go back and forth on Keon White,

971
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: on the one hand, there's a ton of raw talent there.

972
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: There's a really good pass rush production from last year,

973
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: But is he just a interior pass rusher that should

974
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: really be more used in a rotation sparingly situationally sparingly

975
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: is the wrong word? Situationally is the right word? Or

976
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: is there a three down player in there that just

977
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: hasn't been coached up properly?

978
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Well? I think some of its consistency because we've seen

979
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: flashes of it, but and some of that's due to injuries.

980
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: But like he you know, is there another level? I

981
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: think at times he's played at very high level. You

982
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: look at those first few games of his rookie year,

983
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: you look at that little stretch he had last year.

984
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's it's like he knows

985
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: how to do it, it's just can he do it

986
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: more often? I think if he's going to this, this

987
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: defensive system certainly should help facilitate that. I think it's

988
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: a better fit for somebody who plays the way he

989
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: wants to play. Talked last year about how you know,

990
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: at times he was limited because in the back of

991
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: his mind he's working more uncontained than being aggressive. That

992
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: shouldn't be as much of an issue this year, So

993
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's I think we've seen him

994
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: play at a level where he can be a three

995
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: down player. I think we have seen that, but he

996
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: also goes through stretches where he can't, Like he struggles

997
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: too much against the run, he's not getting after the

998
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: quarterback enough, things like that. So I just think it's

999
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: about consistency, and consistency is usually the last thing to

1000
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: come for any player, but that's what I'm looking for

1001
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: with him more than anything else.

1002
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: So his role in this defense is interesting because if

1003
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: you assume that Christian Barmer is healthy and Milton Williams

1004
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: is the one hundred million dollar man, right and Christian

1005
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: Barmore is a very well paid player too, both those

1006
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: guys are not coming off the field a ton. They're

1007
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: gonna play a lot, yeah, assuming health and all that

1008
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So they're gonna be the three techniques.

1009
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna be, you know, the one shades, like they're

1010
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: gonna be the guys on the interior for three downs

1011
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: most likely. So that means that ke On White is

1012
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: not going to be playing the three technique or playing

1013
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: over the guard on an every down basis. So the

1014
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: next step for him is being better on the outside. Now,

1015
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: he's not going to be standing up like he was

1016
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: in a Belichick defense. In a more odd front three

1017
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: to four, he's not going to be out on outside

1018
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: the tackle. He's probably gonna be in like a five

1019
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: or a four eye, like right over the tackle. So

1020
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: can he play that role? Is that better suited? He'll

1021
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: be handing the dirt, he'll be more up the field,

1022
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: which I think are things that are encouraging. But he's

1023
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: openly talked about in the past that he's not a

1024
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: great outside rusher. He's a great interior rusher, he's not

1025
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: great up on his feet, he's not great outside of

1026
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: the tackle. Like that's not an overall strength to his game.

1027
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: So maybe kicking him inside just even a little bit,

1028
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: like into that straight up over the tackle would be

1029
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: a five four eye is like shaded a little bit

1030
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: into the b gap over the inside shoulder of the tackle,

1031
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: like those types of alignments, Like maybe that's just enough

1032
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: inside that he still has that feel of rushing on

1033
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: the inside. I think there's some optimism with that being

1034
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: the case. And then in the system you mentioned, you know,

1035
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: the upfield stuff. I think last year what they got

1036
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: caught in Is. Early on in the season, he was

1037
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: running past the quarterback a lot. He was shooting gaps

1038
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: and being overly aggressive to make plays in the backfield

1039
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: against the run. Teams are smart. It worked for the

1040
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: first couple weeks of the season. They watch film two

1041
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you look at it and

1042
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: you see on key on White side, there's no contain right,

1043
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: So if you run vertically up the field at Keon White,

1044
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: or if the quarterback escapes out the pocket that way,

1045
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: there's going to be open gaps. And that that's sort

1046
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: of what got him into trouble last year. So in deary,

1047
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: I think this defense is a better fit for him

1048
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: if there's another level to his game. And this is

1049
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: the reason why, big picture that I brought it up.

1050
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: This defensive line has a chance to be really, really good.

1051
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: You know, bar More, Milton Williams, Keon White. You know,

1052
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: they'll probably have like a designated pass rusher and a

1053
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: Harold Landry in a you know, maybe it's a Chase

1054
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: On or Swinson or one of those guys will be

1055
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: the nine or the seven that's all the way outside

1056
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: of the tackle and really just getting up the field

1057
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: and rushing. So this this group has a really good

1058
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: chance to be especially those top three guys. I would

1059
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: say borderline elite. If Keon White has another level, if

1060
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: there's another sort of thing for them to unlock. The

1061
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: other question that I had on the defensive line is

1062
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: one that I had coming into the draft and was

1063
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: wondering if they would address. You know, I think Tonga

1064
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: is an okay player for the role that he's probably

1065
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: gonna play. I still feel like they might be one

1066
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: run stuff for short on the interior, like pure three

1067
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: twenty pounds and movable object run stuffer. They they're counting

1068
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: on plays on the other side of the line of

1069
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: scrimmage a little bit right now, and that in the

1070
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: past in Tennessee. Just watching some of those Titans defenses,

1071
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of boom er bust there with

1072
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: that type of style, like you're gonna make some plays,

1073
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: but you're also gonna give up some, you're gonna get

1074
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: gashed some. Playing that way do they need? It's not

1075
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: a full time role anymore, which is why guys like

1076
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: Devon Godshaw are and here anymore. They're not gonna be

1077
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: asking nose tackles to play forty to fifty percent of

1078
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: the snaps. How much do you trust Toga? Are you

1079
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 2: at all worried about the interior run defense being firm enough?

1080
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: A little bit? And you know at the second level too,

1081
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: you know they're they're smaller. I wonder so some of it.

1082
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: I think Williams is gonna play more against the run

1083
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: than he did in Philly, right, and they're gonna count

1084
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: on him to grow as a run stopper. I think

1085
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: they drafted Joshua Farmer to be that run stopper. He's

1086
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: just not built like it. Yeah, but I would not

1087
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: hate it if they added another nose tackle at some point.

1088
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: I do think it would be a good addition. I'm

1089
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of surprised they didn't even in the UDFA market.

1090
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a secondary concern. It's not like I'm

1091
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: not saying that this is why they're gonna go four

1092
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: and thirteen. It's because they don't have a nose tackle.

1093
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: But it was something that I thought was a sneaky

1094
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: need in terms of depth there and just maybe some

1095
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: guys that can make some plays. You know, I don't

1096
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: think Jeremiah Farms is really that guy either. You know.

1097
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: I liked what I saw at last year.

1098
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: He might end up being that guy just because again

1099
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: they don't have Bright somebody else.

1100
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: But I'm with you know, I think Milton Williams is

1101
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: going to have to play a lot more against the run,

1102
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: and they're expecting him to be a true three down

1103
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: game wrecker. And then bar More coming back healthy and

1104
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 2: then it's kind of like, if you know Kean White

1105
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: can take that next step, Now you have three guys

1106
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: that can kind of wreck games upfront, and that's the expectation.

1107
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: Moving to edge, your favorite position title real, very real position. Hey, listen,

1108
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: I talked to Brandon Swinson's edge coach at LSU. They

1109
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: literally have a coach that is his position is edge.

1110
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: So it's a very real position. It's coming.

1111
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: So he coaches deep but like not all edge. So

1112
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: he's coaching the two hundred and ninety pounds defensive end

1113
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: the same way's coaching two hundred and fifty pounds out.

1114
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: He was coaching asigh linebackers in your in your parlance,

1115
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: he was coaching outside.

1116
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: Line side linebackers. Coach. My whole thing with edge is

1117
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: like edge. There are some players that, depending on the system,

1118
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: might have a different position right where you don't know

1119
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: what team they're playing for. Once they are on a team,

1120
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: that's where edge becomes unnecessary to me because you know,

1121
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: in this system, that's how I feel about it.

1122
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: It does have a purpose, right, So like, for instance,

1123
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon when he was a free agent, it might

1124
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: be a defensive end some places, might be an outside linebackers.

1125
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: Some places, how do you include me call him an edge.

1126
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Once he signed with Patriots, he

1127
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: was going to be an outside linebacker. We call him

1128
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker. So you know, for LSU, he's outside

1129
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: linebackers coach, they call it edge, but he's outside linebacker's coach.

1130
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: In the draft, I'm fine calling Braden Swinton an edge

1131
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: because he could play either spot.

1132
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1133
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: The other line of demarcation for me is like does

1134
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: a guy cover. If he doesn't cover, he's a defensive end.

1135
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: If he covers, he's an outside linebacker.

1136
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: That's fair. So these guys to me are kind of

1137
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: tough because they're kind of they're kind of hybrids in

1138
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: this system. This system, they're gonna be designated pass rushers.

1139
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Most of the time. They don't drop a ton off

1140
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: the edge. They they will do it run through them.

1141
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what I'd consider all of Harold

1142
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: Landry linebacker, Uh, Chase on linebacker. Anthony Jennings, he's.

1143
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: Right on that line. I'll call him a linebacker because

1144
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: as we played at Alabama, but he's right on that line.

1145
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 2: Brandon Swinson, I think he's defensive end. Elijah Ponder defensive

1146
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: outside linebacker. Those are all just outside linebackers. So most

1147
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 2: of these guys I would say, are in the outside

1148
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: linebacker category. There's people call it key On White and Edge. No,

1149
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: he's the defensive lineman, right, he's defensive end.

1150
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

1151
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: They these guys to me are are also though gonna

1152
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: play potentially a lot in a three point stance like

1153
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 2: Harold Andry played in a three point a lot.

1154
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can play. You can have outside linebackers three

1155
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: playing a three point stances. So the McGuinness used to

1156
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: do that.

1157
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah sometimes probably, although I guess some people call it

1158
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: with the mguinnis a defensive end. So the biggest question

1159
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: I had with this group, Uh No, now that he

1160
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: can digress on the name Edge, Anthony Jennings one of

1161
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 2: the guys you know him and Tavai that are still

1162
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: kicking around from holdovers from this front seven from last year.

1163
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: There aren't aren't many of them, frankly, especially at these

1164
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: two spots. What's Anthony Jennings is fit here? And you know,

1165
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: like what's his future because I don't necessarily see a

1166
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: great fit in the scheme that they want to be playing.

1167
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: And I'm curious to see what their plan is for

1168
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: him because he's still on the roster, so they obviously

1169
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: have some sort of plan for him, and I'm curious

1170
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: to see what it is.

1171
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: So I feel more that way about to Vy, like.

1172
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: With Devis with my linebackers.

1173
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll get to that. I think with Anthony Jennings. Look,

1174
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: when he was at Alabama, he played up the field

1175
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: more than he did into England.

1176
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he had the injuries and then kind

1177
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: of sapted his explosiveness.

1178
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: One thing he's really good at or look we're going back,

1179
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: was he twenty class of twenty twenty, right, he was

1180
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: the COVID draft. Yeah, so they're going back five six

1181
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: years now. But like, one thing he was really good

1182
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: at Alabama that I thought they were going to take

1183
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: more advantage of here. They didn't. I think think you

1184
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: had like eleven batted passes his last year in college.

1185
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: He led an Alabama team in pass breakups that had

1186
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: just a loaded secondary. Yeah, an insane secondary. And so

1187
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: to me, let him get up the field, let him

1188
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: get into passing lanes, let him put his hands up.

1189
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: That's I think the role is to allow him to

1190
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: get more aggressive and be more power rusher on the

1191
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: on the quarterback's throwing side, on the front side. So yeah,

1192
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: that's how i'd use him, Like, I think you have

1193
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys Calebon Chason's a weak side rusher

1194
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: to me.

1195
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Yep, he's a third down pass right, but he's.

1196
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: Gonna you're gonna put him opposite the left ackle You're

1197
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna put him on the weak side, right, who else?

1198
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: Swinston's probably weak side guy.

1199
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think him and Chase on are competing for

1200
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: this the right the designated third down pass. Landry can

1201
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: go on either side, but he's probably a weak side guy.

1202
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: I think Landry is a strong side guy.

1203
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: Likes more strong side guy.

1204
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's what he did in Tennessee and so especially

1205
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: towards the end. So I just like where I wonder

1206
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: what Jennings like is Jennings's role just back up to

1207
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: Harold Landry, which, look, Harold Andry is you know what

1208
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: thirty Now, it's not crazy to think that there might

1209
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: be some snaps here for him, But.

1210
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: Well, do you also let Jennings. Maybe Jennings puts his

1211
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt and Landry's standing up behind him.

1212
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they do kind of turn Jennings in more of

1213
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: a full time defensive end.

1214
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. I mean like they're gonna play four

1215
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: down though, right and you're expecting it to be Yeah,

1216
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, Keon White, Milton Williams, Christian barr More, Harold Landry,

1217
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,479
Speaker 2: with Chason maybe coming in on pass rush situations, kicking

1218
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: Kean even further inside and then putting Chason on the

1219
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: outside as a designated pass rusher, or maybe that ends

1220
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: up being Swinson, which is sort of my number two

1221
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: is like, I'm very interested to see if Swinston can

1222
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: push Chase on and right away, which I think is

1223
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: possible because I think Swinson's a really talented pass rusher, Yeah,

1224
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: like really high end pass rush skill, so there's a

1225
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: chance that he could push him right away. I just

1226
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: look at at Jennings as a traditional strong side Belichick

1227
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: edge setting three four linebacker. That was a long way

1228
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: to say that, but like that, that's the way that

1229
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: I look at him.

1230
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, this goes back to your point of the edge.

1231
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Can he maybe be an early down run player as

1232
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: a defensive end.

1233
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: A hand in the dirt guy. I just don't know

1234
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: if he's big enough for that.

1235
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: He's pretty, isn't he like two six?

1236
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1237
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: I thought he's bigger than that.

1238
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not trying to write off anybody

1239
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: in this exercise in May. We haven't seen anything. I'm

1240
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: just it's just something that I has stuck with me.

1241
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: As they turn over this roster, they've gotten away from

1242
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: a lot of the typical Belichick role player type, seeing

1243
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: like a Juwan Bentley, Right, he's not here anymore. Anthony

1244
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: Jennings is one of the guys that's still here.

1245
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: So that's part of the reason if he's still here.

1246
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I have to believe he's still here for a reason.

1247
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm curious to see what the reason is

1248
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: because they know more than I do about this, so

1249
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: they probably have a role for.

1250
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Him, and I think he might be an early down player.

1251
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: I think he'll be an early down player no matter what.

1252
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: But is he really going to be a four to

1253
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: three end, like it was his hand in the dirt,

1254
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, I just I know if

1255
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: I see it. Linebacker, this is off ball linebacker now

1256
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: Robert Spollyne July and Devai, Jack Gibbons, Christian Ellis, Monty,

1257
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: Rice cam Riley. So there's one more. The biggest thing

1258
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: with this group I think is obviously Devia's future. You know,

1259
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: is he going to be here he is at his

1260
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: best as they used to call it, the fixer right,

1261
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: it was you know, off ball slash on ball, hybrid player,

1262
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: depending on the down, depending on the situation, depending on

1263
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: the game plan.

1264
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: Another guy that said his best is like a strong

1265
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: side edgesetter.

1266
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: And he's a tweeter, Like he's a guy that needs

1267
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: to be used in a specialized role that allows him

1268
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: to stay away from certain things like coverage in space

1269
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: as his own dropper. He's not a pure edge rusher,

1270
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of pass rush, So you don't

1271
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: want to be using him a ton like that. So

1272
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: like there's ways that you have to coach around some

1273
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: of his limitations. What his future is here is along

1274
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: with Anthony Jennings, two guys that are still hanging on that.

1275
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're exactly a fit for what

1276
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: they're going to be doing.

1277
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Vilan's fascinating because he's survived all these cuts. Yeah,

1278
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: and you know last year, so when he first came here,

1279
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: he struggled playing off the ball. They moved him to

1280
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: the edge and he was much better. Last year, he

1281
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: had to go back off the ball because of all

1282
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: those injuries, and he struggled again. Like I would have

1283
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: put him in your edge category, I think he's an

1284
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. I don't think he's not off ball linebacker.

1285
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of similar to Jennings. You're gonna

1286
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: put him on the strong side on early downs. He's

1287
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna set the edge against the run. I think that's

1288
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: where he's at his best. You know, you don't want

1289
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: him a ton of coverage. It's not great at rushing

1290
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: the passer. But he's a big, powerful guy that can

1291
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: take on blocks and hold his ground. Yeah, but they

1292
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: have Jennings to do that as well, and some other

1293
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: guys they've brought in. So unless they're gonna keep playing

1294
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: him off the ball where you know, well, they played.

1295
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: Him as a weak side linebacker in the past, where

1296
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: so you know they don't want to put him on

1297
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: the side with the double team.

1298
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: Well, whichever side they'll put him on somewhere to put

1299
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: against the run. The thing for me is they bring

1300
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: in all these smaller, more athletic linebackers in I kind

1301
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: of figured, do you still want one guy that's like

1302
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: two fifty five, two sixty that can play situationally, you know,

1303
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: third and one right, Yeah, he comes on the field,

1304
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: it's a run downhill, he's gonna plug a gap. Yeah,

1305
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: And they don't really have a ton of linebackers right now.

1306
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna do that, especially not at that size. And

1307
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: this guy's probably gonna play special teams as well. We

1308
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: talked about some guys during the draft that's like, are

1309
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: they gonna take a guy later on Day three? Maybe

1310
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: he's just a very involved special teams player that all right,

1311
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: you know he's he's gonna be in in a defensive

1312
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: package with like Kiris Tonga and Jeremiah Farms. We've got

1313
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: to stop the run, put him in, let him plug

1314
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: a hole.

1315
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: I like that take because I thought they were gonna

1316
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: keep Bentley around for that right. I thought that was

1317
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: gonna be but I think they decided that he has

1318
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: too much of a voice and too much of a

1319
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: leadership role on the team, and.

1320
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: This is like a twenty maybe thirty.

1321
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 2: So to push him all the way down the depth

1322
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: chart like that and play him so sparingly as a

1323
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: guy that's been a captain and been a leader of

1324
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: the defense, that was gonna be a tough transition for

1325
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people. But with Tavia, maybe they feel

1326
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: like they could they could do that sort of thing

1327
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: and get away with it, you know, him coming on

1328
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: the field for a Gibbons for an Ellis, you know,

1329
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: in run stopping situations. That could definitely make some sense.

1330
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: How what what's your what's your feelings? So overall just

1331
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: about this linebacker group, because we've gotten a lot of

1332
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: questions in the past, you know, do we like this

1333
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: linebacker group? Is there any concerns about about it? You know,

1334
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: it's it's not exactly like they have you know, Teddy Bruski,

1335
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel and William Lennis right, Like, this is not

1336
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: a star studded linebacker group. This is much more of

1337
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: a stylistic fit, lunch pale kind of linebacker group. You know,

1338
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: do you feel like they have enough here at this position?

1339
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's changed. It's definitely changed. Again, I

1340
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: think that they have the ability to be more athletic

1341
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: cover place sideline a sideline they needed that. I still

1342
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't and maybe it is to buy I would have

1343
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: liked to see them keep that one guy that can

1344
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: come in and play the run. But yeah, so it's

1345
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: it's it's changed. It's upgrade, it's more modern, But I

1346
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: still like just having that one old school linebacker.

1347
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: The next Yeah, you could be right. It's a good

1348
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: take about to Via. Maybe that's Tavia overall about the

1349
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: linebacker group. I don't have a ton of concern about

1350
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: them not being talented enough or having enough in this room,

1351
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: I'll say it. And I know everything right now is

1352
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: very positive and everything's pointed in a good direction. Patriots

1353
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: fans are gonna love Robert Splaine. Oh yeah, Robert Spulayne

1354
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: is he's not Ray Lewis, Like, he's not primer lacker,

1355
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: like he's not that kind of guy. Like I get that.

1356
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: But they need somebody in this defense from the second

1357
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: level that's just gonna clean up the trash. They're gonna

1358
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: watch the defensive line to get up the field. They're

1359
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: gonna watch those guys to make the splash plays. But

1360
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: every once in a while, when the running back squeaks through,

1361
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: you know who can make the tackle. So that's an

1362
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: eight yard gain and not an eighty yard game, right,

1363
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: And that's Robert Splaine. Like he's a firecracker out there.

1364
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: He plays with his hair on fire. He's sidelined a sideline.

1365
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: He's a great tackler at someone's birthday. I don't know

1366
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: what's going on out there. So that's that's Robert Splain, Like,

1367
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: that's the type of thing that he can do. So

1368
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleep on Spolene playing a good player.

1369
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm actually seeing if Christian Ellis can take another step.

1370
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: He was actual playing some pretty good football at the

1371
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: end of year last year.

1372
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got a third down role in him. Yeah.

1373
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: I think he's a coverage guy and and a more

1374
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: athletic guy in space that can maybe do those kinds

1375
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: of things. All Right, we're moving at a good pace here,

1376
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: so let's just knock these out right. Cornerback Christian Zales,

1377
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: Carlon Davis, Marcus Jones, Alex Austin, Marcellus dial Isaiah Bolden,

1378
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: DJ James Miles, Battle, Kobe Minor, Brandon Crossley or your cornerbacks. No,

1379
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: so a lot of questions in this group.

1380
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: He's listed as a safety for some reason. Jordan Polk

1381
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: is a corner.

1382
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have him as safety. dB call him that.

1383
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: Played mostly corner last year in Texas.

1384
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: So Christigan Zales and Carlon Davis are your starter's day

1385
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: one week one, like there's no there's no questions about that.

1386
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: I actually don't hate their depth with Alex Austin and

1387
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: dial In Bolden in terms of outside corners either, you

1388
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: know those guys are gonna hold fully knock on wood.

1389
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: He up a ton of snaps for them this year,

1390
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: and Gonzo and Davis, and I think Alex Austin's a

1391
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: capable third outside corner.

1392
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: I should he should have played. I know he was hurt,

1393
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: but like they didn't give enough chances last year.

1394
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: The question that I have is slock corner.

1395
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: And they do not have enough depth beyond Marcus Jones.

1396
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones is your starting nickel corner, Like if

1397
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna play a true corner body type and a

1398
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 2: true corner skill set. Then it's Marcus Jones. Right now,

1399
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: they've talked a little bit about playing a big nickel,

1400
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: whether that's a third safety.

1401
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: Or it's or probably Craig Woodson, right.

1402
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: Is it Craig Woodson? Is it? Uh? You know, Kyle Duggart,

1403
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: Jabriel Pepper is kind of morphing into that hybrid role. Again.

1404
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: Woodson's probably the best guy to do it in terms

1405
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: of what he's done in the past. Isaiah Bolden, I'm

1406
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: just not ready to really count on him in any capacity.

1407
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: Like maybe he has a good camp and my opinion

1408
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: changes there. Marcus Jones. I really like Marcus Judge as

1409
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: a man coverage player. I like him maybe a little

1410
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: bit more than some other people, but there's a ton

1411
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: of size there. There's durability concerns with him always. You know.

1412
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: I still think slock corner is one of those positions

1413
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: that I have circled in camp as like what are

1414
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: they going to do here? You know, what's the plan?

1415
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: Because it's a high stress role. Nowadays, it's one of

1416
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: the more it's evolving into, I would say a premium

1417
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: position in the NFL because of the amount of time

1418
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: that you're at the point of attack in the run game,

1419
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: and because of all of the inside receivers that you

1420
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: have to cover, you know, whether that that be slide

1421
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: receivers or even like pass catching tight ends, it's a

1422
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: massive role in an NFL defense nowadays.

1423
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: This is where I think you this could be where

1424
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: so we talked about this, like, I know you like

1425
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: Elijah Ponder, but the UDFA class leans a lot more offense. Yeah,

1426
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: Ponder is a good player, but you just look at

1427
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: the depth in front of them. If we're going to

1428
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: get a UDFA on defense, I think this is maybe

1429
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: where where we get. Now Kobe Minors in the midd

1430
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: he's not a udfavant, he projects as a slot corner

1431
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: as well, so, but between Kobe Minor, Jordan Polk, Brandon Crossley,

1432
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: this could be a chance for one of those guys

1433
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 1: to stick on the roster, could have to play special teams, right,

1434
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: but add some depth in the slot. I think mineor

1435
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: is somebody whould add itt both spots right, and I

1436
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: think Crossley as well, But this could be a spot

1437
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: where one of those udfa's or Kobe Minor steps.

1438
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: Up and it is the new strong sidelinebacker it has

1439
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 2: been for years, but it's it's becoming that more and

1440
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: more to the point where a lot of teams are

1441
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: really using safety body types as in the slot, to

1442
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 2: get some size in there and to get some run

1443
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: instincts in there. The slot. The dream slot for any

1444
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: NFL team right now is Brian Branch. Like, Brian Branch

1445
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: is the absolutely the quintessential slot player at this point

1446
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: in the NFL. In Detroit, He's the best one in

1447
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: the league. And he's more of a safety than he

1448
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: is a corner man. Coverage and being able to cover

1449
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: like that isn't as always as big of a pro.

1450
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: And this is the guy that has gotten completely forgotten

1451
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: about this offseason. Is this where you know, should we

1452
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: bring Marte Mapu into this conversation?

1453
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's the safeties. Kyle Duggar, Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson,

1454
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins, Marte Mapu, Marcus EPs del Pettis, Josh Minkins,

1455
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: and I have Jordan Polk here, but you're telling me

1456
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: he's not here, but whatever Jordan Polk.

1457
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1458
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: Also, so my two bigger questions here were obviously that

1459
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: third safety spot, Like is it are they looking for

1460
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: a nickel safety or are they looking for the true

1461
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: free safety because they want Dugger or Peppers to play

1462
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: nickel safety. You know, how do they go about that?

1463
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm packing that puzzle and then the other thing. I

1464
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: just think it's worth mentioning since we did with Jennings

1465
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 2: and Tavai, Like, are Dugger and Peppers one hundred percent

1466
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: and trenched here?

1467
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: Like?

1468
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: Are they safe now as long.

1469
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: As they're healthy?

1470
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: I think they are because contractually they just signed those

1471
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: extensions and it's not easy to get out of them

1472
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: this quickly. And all that kind of stuff as well

1473
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: play as a factor here. But how do you how

1474
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: do you view the third safety? Because this could be

1475
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: a big determining factor in all this puzzle putting this

1476
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: puzzle together. In the back end, you have Dougger, you

1477
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: have Gonzo and Davis on the outside. To me, are

1478
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: the two only guys in this secondary that I'm one

1479
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: hundred percent certain where they're gonna play? Like all these safeties,

1480
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: like I you could convince me of any different type

1481
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: of combination of you know, Craig Woodson's gonna be the

1482
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: free safety. Craig Woodson's gonna be the nickel Craig Woodson's

1483
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a box safety like and same thing with

1484
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: Peppers and Dugger Like they could be anywhere.

1485
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: Well, you know me, I want the true free safety.

1486
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where Marcus steps is at health wise. Yeah,

1487
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: and you know how he looks. He's played, you know,

1488
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: some good football, but he's coming off torn acl Craig

1489
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: Woodson if he's back there. If you're gonna put a

1490
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: safety near closer to the line of scrimmage, it should

1491
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: be Duggar Peppers. That's where those guys are. Better. Keep

1492
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: those guys close to the line of scrimmage. Find somebody

1493
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: else to play on the back end, whether it's Apps,

1494
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: whether it's Woodson.

1495
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think Kyle Dugar and Pepper's

1496
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: one of those two guys. They've both kind of done

1497
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: it in the past and taken turn playing as like

1498
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 2: a nickel safety. I think those two guys can be

1499
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: really good players in that role. They can blitz, they

1500
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: can set the edge against the run, they can come

1501
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 2: downhill at the line of scrimmage, they can handle some

1502
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 2: of the more stressful zone drops that like a linebacker type,

1503
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: you wouldn't necessarily want to handle. You know, if they

1504
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: have to drop into you know, a zone in cover

1505
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: three right and they have to pick up the cross

1506
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: or coming from the other side of the formation, like

1507
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: they can do those types of things. They can play,

1508
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 2: you know, in different roles, you know, run the shoot

1509
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 2: right in a Tampa two or in a quarters coverage

1510
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: if they if somebody goes to split the safeties right

1511
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: up the middle in cover two, like I could see

1512
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger being able to carry that safety. Okay, that

1513
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: that tight end or whoever's running up the middle a

1514
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: lot better than a linebacker. So I like them in

1515
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: those roles. That would mean Craig Woodson most likely or

1516
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: Marcus Epps potentially would have to then be the true

1517
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: free safety. I think that's their best defense. Yeah, Dugger,

1518
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 2: Pepper's in the slot, the other guys playing the strong

1519
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: safety box role Woodson or EPs up top. Like, I

1520
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 2: hope that's what we get to eventually with this group.

1521
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: I'd feel pretty good about that secondary with Gonzo and

1522
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: Davis on the outside of that group. In the middle,

1523
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: you feel pretty good about it. Really quickly. On the kickers, yes, especially,

1524
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: they have to cut you off.

1525
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to cut you off and be like, don't.

1526
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: Forget Bryce Berenger, John Parker Romo, ye, Andy Borgolis and

1527
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 2: Julian Ashby. So we know Berenger and Ashby are gonna

1528
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: be your punter and long snapper Alex Bart Is there

1529
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: a kicker competition?

1530
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean there is.

1531
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: I don't think there is. Well, well, they drafted the guy.

1532
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna go through one, whether or not there's anything

1533
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: behind it or it's just academic. Like I let me

1534
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: put it this way, I think John Parker Romo is

1535
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna be on the team through the end of camp,

1536
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: okay or club maybe they or before. But like I

1537
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: last year, it didn't feel kind of neck and neck

1538
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: going in last year, Yes, right like this, people were saying, well,

1539
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: just you know, Ryland had an advantage because he was

1540
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: on the team. Maybe a little bit. This to me

1541
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: feels like Parker like it's Romo's job to or sorry,

1542
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: it's it's job to lose, right.

1543
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Barguallace would have to be terrible.

1544
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: Right, he's starting ahead, And honestly, I think they want

1545
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: to see maybe just how the kid handles some pressure.

1546
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: Maybe just have another guy here see he handles it.

1547
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: So it should be Borgollis. This is not as much

1548
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: of a toss up as last year, but I think

1549
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: they are still going to go through the exercise to

1550
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: see how the kid handles it and just to make.

1551
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, that's it. And then I have Brendan Schooler

1552
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: as a cover Jase and I I believe, you know

1553
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: kick covering special teams days.

1554
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater, I think he might still play. I wouldn't

1555
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: Longhorn package stick around.

1556
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 2: It was effective. Yeah, I don't think that was like

1557
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: the one wrinkle that I'm not coaching staff.

1558
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: Last year that worked, so I don't think that goes

1559
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: away entirely.

1560
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: Now maybe it looks different, but he was able to

1561
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: get heat, was aggressive and getting after the quarterback.

1562
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: That's what they want from there. He was essentially playing

1563
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: linebacker more than safety.

1564
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was, and I say this a

1565
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: little the tongue. Yeah, he was like legitimately one of

1566
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: their best pass rushers. But it was effective, so it worked.

1567
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: I kind of hope that doesn't go away entirely. It

1568
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: might look different and it might not be as much,

1569
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: but you know, keep that in place a little bit. Yeah,

1570
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I have him in the coverage area

1571
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: right now, he's gonna be on the team, But I

1572
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: just I do wonder this coaching staff tries him out

1573
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: on defense at all.

1574
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: I do wonder. I mean, they've been pretty walked into

1575
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: the kicker handling kickoffs the last few years. It's not

1576
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: like that everywhere. I do wonder if they open up

1577
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: open up for kickoffs between Borgolos and Baringer, they're both

1578
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: bigger guys, they can both handle themselves and coverage, they

1579
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: both have a big leg. I wonder if they open

1580
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: that up or you know, you see some teams now

1581
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: and the Patriots kind of flirted with this last year

1582
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: in camp. I don't think it ever trying to remember

1583
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: if they ever did in a game like because it's

1584
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: so specialized now and all right, we want to put

1585
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: the ball in this spot, on this trajectory. We want

1586
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: to put the back here with this kind of kick.

1587
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 1: If there is a Bourgalis kickoff package and a Bearinger

1588
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: kickoff package just based on their ability to hit different kicks.

1589
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, So that's the defense and the special teams,

1590
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: because we had to get special teams in there. So

1591
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: the last forty five minutes of the shows all you guys,

1592
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: we got calls, we got emails, so let's start it off.

1593
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully is still there. What's up, Patty and aguam, how

1594
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: are we doing?

1595
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 7: I'm still here, guys.

1596
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: What's up? Patty?

1597
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 7: Not too much. I just want to go over a

1598
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 7: few things. I'll make them quick, heavan. Maybe Alex can't

1599
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 7: get you sold on golfing, but dude, I'm telling you

1600
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 7: maybe once you're a little bit older, there's there's nothing

1601
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 7: more relaxed and then grabbing a few beers, throwing them

1602
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 7: in a cooler, getting on a golf cart and just

1603
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 7: having a good time. You know, Because I don't know

1604
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 7: about Alex. I don't really play competitively. No, just go

1605
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 7: to play to have fun in it.

1606
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: So that I think that's my problem, and I think, Patty,

1607
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: you're right, maybe my older ages will go away. I

1608
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: was a good athlete, I'll put that out there. But

1609
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 2: I was extremely competitivele You know me when I golf

1610
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: the part that frust up I stink, And you.

1611
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: Know me, I'm very competitive and I'm not good, and

1612
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: I make it work. I make it more.

1613
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: I can't do like leisurely, like past time, like if

1614
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm playing a sport, I'm competing.

1615
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: If you know, but if you go in knowing you're bad,

1616
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: it's easier because you're just trying to get better. On

1617
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: the other side, though, somebody in the chat did offer

1618
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: to buy you a gaming console, so one step closer.

1619
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, you know if you if you game, dude,

1620
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 7: I'll go buy Accountable. If you guys go on Twitch.

1621
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 7: I've never been on Twitch, but if you, if the

1622
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 7: two of you make that happen, I'll make it happen too,

1623
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 7: just so I can, just so I can have more

1624
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 7: of your context. Because Ny, when it comes to you

1625
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 7: that the last two things I'll touch on, it's funny, guys,

1626
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 7: we're going over roster reset. I don't think that the

1627
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 7: roster construction is done by any means of course. I

1628
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 7: mean they got to get through cuts and everything. But

1629
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 7: I think the final fifty three, I think they're gonna

1630
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 7: I'm I think they're gonna add a receiver somehow, some way.

1631
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 7: But Alex, I think around last year, around this time,

1632
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 7: and this is the last thing. I gave you a name, Mosey.

1633
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 7: The last year, two years ago, I gave you the

1634
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 7: name of Joe Griffon, junior from Boston College Wide receiver.

1635
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 7: He didn't pan out, but I'm going to give you

1636
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 7: another guy to look at. And I know it's way

1637
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 7: too early to get into college football. And he shares

1638
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 7: a name with with with another wide receiver. But Elijah Moore,

1639
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 7: six foot four x guy, two hundred and five pounds,

1640
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 7: plays from Florida State. He's I think he was a

1641
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 7: red shirt freshman last year, but he's got a lot

1642
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 7: of He's getting a lot of play right now. I

1643
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 7: mean there's a lot of people are thinking that he's

1644
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 7: gonna have a breakout year. And you know, maybe two

1645
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 7: years from now.

1646
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 6: We don't.

1647
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 7: We're too good and we don't have enough capital to

1648
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 7: trade for Jeremiah Smith. But that's the name to if

1649
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 7: he has a big year, big couple of years to

1650
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 7: look out. And that's all I got.

1651
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Patty, thanks for the call. Every buddy

1652
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: is gonna try to get me into golf. I'm telling you,

1653
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's like Peloton, Like, oh, you gotta

1654
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: try Peloton. It's not like you can't.

1655
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 1: Drink well, I guess you could drink a drink Peloton.

1656
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just I I actually would prefer to

1657
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: Peloton then to golf. I'm not gonna lie, horrible take

1658
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.

1659
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 5: It takes a long time to get good at golf.

1660
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 5: And if you are competitive, I'm the exact same way.

1661
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I'm just gonna go hit the driving

1662
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 5: range for you know, twenty bucks a pop for four

1663
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 5: months before I could step onto a course.

1664
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1665
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: It's just like I get three or four holes in

1666
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: and I I just I'm done, Like it's it's it's

1667
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 2: just not for me.

1668
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: But it's not if you just don't expect yourself to

1669
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: be that good.

1670
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 2: It's not even realistic that though. It's like I'm terrible,

1671
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I think this is ultimate lazy. Yeah,

1672
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: like if I've never done it. Uh, I played one

1673
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: round with a card. I played like probably like five

1674
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: rounds of golf in my life. Four of them I walked,

1675
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 2: and one of them, so I will say some of

1676
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: those numbers are not used.

1677
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: I used to always walk. And then like two years ago,

1678
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: has placed my buddies at a really hilly course and

1679
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: we're like going up to the last holes, like this

1680
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: big hill in the woods, and we were just like

1681
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: feeling it. We got up to the top of that, we

1682
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: looked each other and we're like, we're too old to

1683
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: be walking. So like all occasionally walk nine. I play

1684
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: with the cart most of the time. Now if I'm

1685
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: playing eighteen, I'm absolutely playing with car.

1686
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: I definitely could be swayed by the cart.

1687
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: I we'll get you out there this summer. This is

1688
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

1689
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,799
Speaker 2: No, Yes, Chris is in the original England, so across

1690
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: the pond. What's up, Chris, Chris, you're there, all right,

1691
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: give us a call back, Chris and we'll get you on.

1692
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to some of these emails. Lots

1693
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 2: of emails pulling pouring in and I can't speak. You know,

1694
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 2: this guy Brownie's emailing in my college roommates. Ok, you

1695
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: knew Brownie back in the day.

1696
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: Is this about the Eagles?

1697
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 2: It's about the schedule release. But yeah, I assume that

1698
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 2: Brad is like me with the Celtics, like I still

1699
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: wear the Championship had for the Celtics. Yeah, I guarantee

1700
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: you that he's still walking around in the Championship had

1701
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 2: for the Eagles. So Brad's a big Eagles fan. Shout

1702
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 2: out to my guys in PA. But what is your

1703
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: favorite NFL stadium you have traveled to. This's a good question.

1704
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 2: I do keep track. I think I'm like, this is

1705
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 2: a humble brag, but I think I've been to like

1706
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1707
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you have a running list?

1708
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: I do keep track. I can pull it up real quick.

1709
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: And how many have I been to?

1710
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: It's probably h much easier at this point to tell

1711
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: you the stadiums I haven't been to than the ones

1712
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: I have been to. So I've been to twenty four.

1713
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: I was right. So the stams I haven't been to

1714
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: Carolina Bank of America and Carolina lumin in Seattle, which

1715
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: is a bummer. I can't wait to get to that

1716
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: one Energy in Houston. Never been there, Raymond James, and Tampa,

1717
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: which I'll check off this year, which I'm excited about.

1718
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: I never been to so far because it's so new.

1719
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: I haven't been yet. So those are the the what, one, two, three, four,

1720
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: five stadiums I haven't been to. So my answer for

1721
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 2: my favorite is different from my I have two different

1722
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: answers to this question. There's a difference between the my

1723
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: favorite stadium I've been to and like the most historic,

1724
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: like coolest venue I've been to. So the nicest stadium

1725
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 2: in the league is in Vegas, and it's not particularly close,

1726
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: like the Raiders Stadium is unbelievable. Like the only one

1727
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: that's come close is is is Jerry World, Like that's

1728
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 2: the only one that's even in the same stratosphere. I

1729
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: would say the like Lambo's Lambeau, Like, yeah, like Lambo's Lambo.

1730
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: It's it's it's just there's a feel to it, like

1731
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: you walk. It's not an impressive stadium. It's it's a

1732
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 2: little bit like Jillette. It's kind of just a stadium.

1733
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: Uh But you go there and it's just you know,

1734
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: you see Curly Lambo and Bart Starr and you know

1735
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 2: all of the great Packers just like around Ring of Honor,

1736
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: and you just know the history and you know, like

1737
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 2: the players that have played in that stadium. There's absolutely

1738
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: no other feeling besides uh No, I'd say Lamba is

1739
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: probably in its own category in that regard.

1740
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: I think my favorite people are gonna be surprising when

1741
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 1: me say this. I have two that are towards top Buffalo.

1742
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: Well that same just stinks though, but it's that's what

1743
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: football should be. It's loud, it's rowdy, it's metal bleachers,

1744
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: it's open, it's old school.

1745
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: That's about the kids.

1746
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: I know, it's a shame. That's that's a real football statement.

1747
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: That's a college environment. And then Pittsburgh's really cool too.

1748
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's all right. I've kind of gotten over Pittsburgh as

1749
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: we've been so many.

1750
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: Times that that was it's the same thing again.

1751
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,839
Speaker 2: I know that sounded.

1752
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: It's it's a cool stadium, elite, media spread, elite. But

1753
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: it's also like it's a it's a cool building, it's

1754
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: a historic building. All that. I know. My lead the

1755
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: I actually can answer my least favorite easier than my

1756
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: favorite release, met Life. Yeah, it's just it and I

1757
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: understand why it's like this, but it's faceless.

1758
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: So I describe MetLife to people like, you know, like

1759
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: when Lego has like football stadium, it's just the Lego

1760
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: seen it's literally like football stadium, Like that's what I

1761
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 2: would call it. Like that's it. That's all it is.

1762
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 2: It is just generic football stadium.

1763
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to get to. Yeah, we got lost one

1764
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: year driving every work for sealing.

1765
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: It's not good. So I would say, just.

1766
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: From a media standpoint, yeah, for one o'clock game, Yeah,

1767
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: the sun comes right into the press box and you

1768
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 1: get cooked.

1769
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: That is That's what those are. The type that you

1770
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: tell me that I complain about things.

1771
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: That that's fair. Yeah, so well allegiant Honestly, anybody's sitting

1772
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: in that corner, but yeah, allegiant. Yeah.

1773
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: In at and T in Dallas and walking into Jerry

1774
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: World and walking out into this just it's just huge

1775
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,959
Speaker 2: and it's it's impressive. It's an impressive stadium for the history.

1776
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 2: I would say definitely Lambo is one of its own arrowhead.

1777
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: It just the atmosphere arrows just off the.

1778
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: Chuck Well that that that's me with buffal I haven't

1779
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: been any of those I have been to. So Atlanta

1780
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: was the same thing. Like I walked into Atlanta. Atlanta's impressive.

1781
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: And I was there before the Super Bowl because I

1782
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: went for Alabama Florida State when they were one and

1783
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: three in the country a couple of years ago. And

1784
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean that is a football cathedral, Like

1785
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: that building is so impressive. Absolutely, and then so I

1786
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: haven't been for an event, but I went on a

1787
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: tour when I was in college. Minnesota stadium is very

1788
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: impressive too, and I.

1789
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: Like how that's a good shout.

1790
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty anti indoor stadium generally as a rule. I

1791
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: love but I know because the nerds. But as far

1792
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: as indoor stadiums go, look they don't let the weather

1793
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: get in, which sucks, but there is a ton of

1794
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,919
Speaker 1: natural light in there compared to a lot of indoor stadiums.

1795
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: Minnesota was one of the cooler environments. The one time

1796
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: I've been to Minnesota, and we're gonna go back potentially

1797
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: this year. But the one time that I went to

1798
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota was Thanksgiving night Hunter across the goal line and

1799
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 2: they had a great in game presentation. The skull chant

1800
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: hits it.

1801
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: I want to see the skull chant like again. I

1802
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 1: went for a tour. I wasn't there for a game fantastic.

1803
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: Like it definitely, Uh it hits like, it's really cool.

1804
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

1805
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: Their intros were really cool. They they had fake snow

1806
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: like coming down and like real cute. You had fake

1807
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 2: snow coming down and he just you know, skull skull

1808
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: like really cool and you know, mate, hopefully we get

1809
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: there with like Drake may or something like that. But

1810
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: when they do the individual player intros and you have

1811
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,480
Speaker 2: a player of Justin Jefferson's caliber, like in its inside

1812
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: to the noises. I mean it is like God himself

1813
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: just walked onto the football field. Like that's how it

1814
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: feels like. And it was really cool that night. You know,

1815
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: it's prime time Thanksgiving night. He was just coming off

1816
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: that game in Buffalo where he made the crazy one

1817
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: handed catch and justin Jefferson comes onto the field and

1818
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 2: it is just the one of the loudest atmospheres you'll

1819
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: ever be in.

1820
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: What was I gonna say, Indy was cool that that

1821
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Builly's huge?

1822
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, you know a lot of these domes, uh, Indy, Arizona,

1823
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily like the most historic of places

1824
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: or anything, but they're well designed. They're domes. They're indoors,

1825
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: so they're big and impressive. You know, Arizona is one

1826
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: of those places that it's so obvious why they hosted

1827
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 2: super Bowls there, Like it's the weather, It's yeah, it's

1828
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: it's just a really nice layout. All right, there's your

1829
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: stadium minute. It's a good question for schedule release day.

1830
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 2: Jeff emails in from La and he had we talked

1831
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: about this. We touched on it briefly. Uh, why is

1832
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 2: nobody giving West Sweitzer a chance that left guard. Cole Strange,

1833
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: Light and Robinson and City so get named the most

1834
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,879
Speaker 2: and we never hear about Schweitzer. Well, he has started

1835
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: more games than those guys, and that was what he

1836
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: brought up, which is all all.

1837
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Fare, I think, all but what four or five of

1838
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: those are pre twenty twenty.

1839
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I used the comparison earlier. I stand by it.

1840
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: You know, Wes Schweitzer, to me, is very similar to

1841
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan last year. If nobody is ready from that

1842
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: younger group to play right away out of the gate,

1843
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 2: then you start Wes Sweitzer the first month, you know,

1844
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: five weeks of the season, whatever the case may be,

1845
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: and you get you know, those guys ready, but like

1846
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be in that position. Cole Strange is going

1847
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 2: into year three, Leydon Robinson's going into year two, City

1848
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: sw is going into year two, year three, Cole Stran

1849
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 2: going into year four, year two three, Jesus Christ two

1850
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 2: twenty three four four, Yeah, he's twenty year four Jesus

1851
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, like those guys aren't rookies anymore where you're

1852
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 2: worried about them being ready to play the position. So

1853
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: I think that's why they shouldn't need Schweitzer. That doesn't

1854
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: mean he won't make the team. They shouldn't need them.

1855
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: So Schweitzer started six two games in his career thirteen

1856
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: of those all but thirteen were before we're twenty twenty

1857
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: or earlier. He's only started two games in the last

1858
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: two years, none last year. He's only played ten games

1859
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: total in the last two years.

1860
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because he's he's really a career backup, Like

1861
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,799
Speaker 2: he's a nice backup to have. Like, those guys have value,

1862
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes nowadays they're they're veteran practice squad players,

1863
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: but they have value because they've played games in the league.

1864
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: They've been around. Like if you needed a spot start,

1865
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 2: like would they spot start Wes Schweitzer over you know,

1866
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: a rookie or a you know, Jack Conley or something

1867
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: like probably right, you know, that's like the why those

1868
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: types of guys are around. Chris has a question and

1869
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: he We've gotten this question a bunch two as well,

1870
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: just in all the shows, like Mac Collins and his

1871
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: security on the roster. You know, Chris lays it out.

1872
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read the whole email, but you know,

1873
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: why is Mac Hollins considered a lock. I think both

1874
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 2: of us have sort of said he's a lock. I

1875
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: lock might be strong. I think he's a probable player

1876
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: to make the roster. I think there's a world where

1877
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't, because it's not like they have all this

1878
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: money tied up into him that it's impossible. But I

1879
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: think it's a couple of reasons. To me, they need

1880
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 2: a glue guy in that room. And I know that

1881
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 2: not a lot of people want to look into that

1882
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 2: too much and don't like the culture stuff, but the

1883
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: reality is that room last year was a mess and

1884
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: they're trying to change the culture of that room, so

1885
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 2: they kind of need that glue guy type. Matt Collins

1886
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 2: throughout his career has been known to be that he

1887
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: has familiarity and Josh mcdaniels's offense. He played with McDaniels,

1888
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 2: had his best year under McDaniels in Vegas. We're talking

1889
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 2: about Schweitzer as being a bridgie type player, like Matt

1890
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: Collins to me, in terms of his role on the field,

1891
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 2: is sort of a bridgie player to Kyle Williams, Like

1892
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: if Kyle Williams is not ready to play the X

1893
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 2: week one of the season right out of the Gate

1894
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: in September. Matt Collins can go out there, he can

1895
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 2: run the wind sprints, he can be the sacrificial X,

1896
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: and they don't have to throw guys like Kyle Williams

1897
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: directly into the fire right away if they don't want to.

1898
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Special teams stand out. I think that has to be

1899
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 2: mentioned too. But I would just find it hard to

1900
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: believe that MATC Collins isn't here. I know not. Everybody's

1901
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: not super impressed with him as a player. I think

1902
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 2: he's a little underrated. Like I'm not saying he's Randy Moss,

1903
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: but like his year in Buffalo last year wasn't terrible,

1904
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 2: like if you watched the film, like his film isn't terrible.

1905
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 2: I don't think he's as bad as some people think,

1906
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 2: but I understand that he's not the most exciting out

1907
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: of this group either way. Where do you stand right

1908
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: now with mac Collins?

1909
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I mean, he's maybe one step below

1910
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: a lock, but he'd certainly be as surprised as a

1911
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: as a cut like they need an AX. He can

1912
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 1: play the acts. Like you said, the leadership stuff, I

1913
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: think you pretty much nailed that.

1914
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: So this is from Ashton in Canada. He is wondering

1915
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: what we think Pot Douglas's steeling is and where does

1916
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: he need to improve on to achieve his ceiling? These

1917
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 2: things like I would say, are you good over there?

1918
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I think so. I want to make sure it's like

1919
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: in the right spot, so he keeps all right, I mean,

1920
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: where he's improved, just availability, right, He's been kind of

1921
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: banged up his first couple of years, so staying on

1922
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: the field and that that's the big thing to me.

1923
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: Like on top of that, I think he can be,

1924
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, a really good secondary option. Maybe work on

1925
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: his contested catch ability a little bit, but like I mean,

1926
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: I think he is a legitimate top three receiver in

1927
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: an NFL wide receiver room.

1928
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: His ceiling, I think he's close to it. Yeah, I

1929
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 2: think he's right about there. He's a third receiver, like

1930
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 2: he's a slot and eleven personnel, right, I don't think

1931
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: he's a base receiver. It's gonna play in your base packages.

1932
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: He's a slot only fifty sixty percent ideally, But when

1933
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 2: he comes in, he makes an impact and he makes place.

1934
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: His ability to separate against man coverage is good, it's

1935
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 2: above average to really good. Trade of his I would

1936
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: say the next step for him on the field is

1937
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: really learning how to run routes against zone a little

1938
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: bit more consistently. Sometimes when he sees zone, he doesn't

1939
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: always find those pockets, right, He's not always very quarterback

1940
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 2: friendly and doesn't find the pockets. And he's not the

1941
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: biggest the targets to begin with, so that works against

1942
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 2: him too. But you'll see, like last year a couple

1943
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: of times where you know, the big one is obviously

1944
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: the interception to end the game against the Rams, but

1945
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 2: like just in general, where Drake may really wants him

1946
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 2: to sit or settle in the zone and he's kind

1947
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: of still running and like then he like kind of

1948
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 2: comes back late to it and maybe has to make

1949
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 2: an adjustment on a catch. You know that that's what

1950
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 2: takes those types of slot guys from like what Pop

1951
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 2: Douglas is doing right now over the first two years

1952
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 2: of his career to being like Wes Welk or Julian

1953
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 2: Edelman volume right, one hundred and twenty plus targets is

1954
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,480
Speaker 2: can you have developed that sixth sense and that ability

1955
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 2: to find the openings when you do see zone. It's

1956
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 2: not all going to be man to man and it's

1957
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: not all going to be matchup base. You have to

1958
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 2: be able to get open there. So I would say

1959
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: that that's the biggest thing for him as well. All Right,

1960
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: this question, I think is an obvious answer, but like

1961
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 2: we can just kind of couch it like this, which

1962
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 2: rookie do you think will have the biggest impact on

1963
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 2: the season. Let's take Will Campbell out of it, because

1964
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I thinks OBUs.

1965
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Should be Kyle Williams. Ideally it's Kyle Williams, like they need.

1966
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: He's in a position where like there's not a ton

1967
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: of of competition for him, especially if Dis isn't going

1968
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: to start the year. You know, they should be throwing

1969
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: the ball more with Drake May and he's an explosive player.

1970
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Kyle Williams, I'm.

1971
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: Gonna say I agree, But just for the sake of

1972
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 2: being different, I think Travon Henderson is gonna have a

1973
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: big impact. Okay, I think Trayvon Henderson has a chance

1974
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: to be My guess is that it might not manifest

1975
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 2: itself in him being the true number one running back

1976
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 2: in the rotation and snaps or a volume standpoint, But

1977
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 2: I think his big playability is just gonna be infectious. Like,

1978
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be hard to keep him off

1979
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 2: the field when they really need points because of how

1980
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 2: he can flip the field. And I think that's gonna

1981
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 2: be just huge for them in general. They just really

1982
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 2: haven't had that here in quite some time, and I

1983
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: think they might have it with Kyle Williams too, But

1984
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 2: I feel better just in terms of actually being able

1985
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 2: to take explosive plays, chunks out, whatever you want to

1986
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 2: call it, Like I think Trayvon Henderson's gonna do that instantly,

1987
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: whereas with Kyle Williams, like there might be more of

1988
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 2: adjustment with the routs in the role and all that

1989
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but both those guys should be able

1990
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 2: to make an instant impact in terms of all of that.

1991
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: All Right, this is another question here from Barton Poll

1992
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: and that bart I'm sorry I haven't gotten to this

1993
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 2: question sooner because he's emailed in like three weeks in

1994
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 2: a row trying to get to this question. So I

1995
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 2: wanted to ask about Will Campbell and his potential potential

1996
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: transition to left guard, which he's not gonna do, but

1997
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 2: it's okay. I know it's often said that it's the

1998
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,879
Speaker 2: worst case scenario, but he's said that he's heard multiple

1999
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: people mention that his stance at left tackle might make

2000
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 2: the transition up because he'd likely have to adjust his stance.

2001
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 2: So he does have an at least at LSU, And

2002
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was coached this way. Emery Jones,

2003
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: the right tackle at LSU, did it too, but not

2004
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: quite as pronounced as Will Campbell. Will Campbell does have

2005
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: like an upright stance. I'm not talking about how he

2006
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 2: plays once this ball is snap, but like when he

2007
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 2: actually gets the line of scrimmage, he does have like

2008
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 2: sort of an unorthodox upright stance to him. But what

2009
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 2: I think is really good about him is that once

2010
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 2: the ball is snapped, like he's got great sink and

2011
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 2: lower body flexibility to get his pass down instantly. It's

2012
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 2: just the way he stands literally, just what he literally stands.

2013
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: It's like he got with the weird batting stands.

2014
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, where the way the ball is snap now, is

2015
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: that something that needs to be fixed or changed? I

2016
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I would tend to lean towards don't mess

2017
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 2: with it unless it becomes a problem.

2018
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

2019
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 2: It was kind of like how they would talk about

2020
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Drake May's throwing motion when we talked to them about that, Like,

2021
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: if he starts to lose control of the ball and

2022
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 2: we see a lot more of those sprays than maybe

2023
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 2: you want to tighten it up and change you know,

2024
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 2: the actual arm motion. But if his accuracy is fine,

2025
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 2: and then why would you mess with it? Right, You're

2026
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: just messing with it just to mess with it because

2027
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't look aesthetically great. I think the same thing

2028
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 2: is true with Wilkes Well.

2029
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: I I would again I like the batting stands comparison

2030
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys with weird bating stands

2031
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 1: is right, like Kevin Euclis, he's all the way up

2032
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: here and it's like, you know, his heads in his

2033
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: arms or whatever. As the pitcher gets ready to throw,

2034
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: you watch and he kind of sinks back into a

2035
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 1: more normal stance standing that weighs more just like a

2036
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: timing mechanism. And a lot of these guys name anybody

2037
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,719
Speaker 1: with a weird batting stance, right, Garry Sheffield, Gary Schiff,

2038
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 1: well know Gary Sheffield section exception of this. But Chuck

2039
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: Nawblock is what like he'd have the bat all the

2040
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: way over there but gets in with position, whari, he's

2041
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: more loaded up as the pitch is coming. Like, as

2042
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: long as you can get into that position in time,

2043
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: like you said, it's not an issue.

2044
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it now. I don't

2045
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 2: know if that.

2046
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one. Tyreek Hill, Yeah, Tyreek Hill

2047
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: just stands there before the snap. He does it. You

2048
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't coach or ash and Genty, you wouldn't coach you

2049
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: got a stand like that. But they can get to

2050
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: where they need to get to once the play starts,

2051
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: and that's ultimately what you care about.

2052
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 2: Ash and Genty is a good comparison because he has

2053
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 2: that weird like upright, he just stand there, literally just stands.

2054
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: I think Sheffield kept doing that thing until like he

2055
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: was really ready to swing. Maybe I'll just remember it.

2056
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the phones. Brad is

2057
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 2: in Ohio. It's up Brad.

2058
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 8: Hey, crew, how are you doing today?

2059
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: How are you pretty good?

2060
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 8: I got a couple of quick questions, real quick. You

2061
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 8: know you're all insightful, so so much so. Uh. I

2062
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 8: just want to I want to ask, do you think

2063
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 8: that it'll be McDaniels or digs that will help pop?

2064
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 8: William or Polk kind of transcend to the next you know,

2065
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 8: be able to like we were talking about get better,

2066
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 8: you know, based on which one of those players do

2067
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 8: you look making the largest lead or or benefit to

2068
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 8: our team? And the first question I had and then

2069
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 8: which guard given city sales and left guard? Like I

2070
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 8: believe that Han said that before uh his position of

2071
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 8: you know, originality and which one would fit best in

2072
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 8: Josh McDaniel's offense with you know, given the three we

2073
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 8: have that you have just mentioned, And then do you

2074
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,799
Speaker 8: think the fullback and depre because of the blocking blocking

2075
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 8: ability in the way McDaniels structures the offense both have

2076
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 8: an opportunity to make the team. And then my last

2077
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 8: the question or you know statement was with with Diggs

2078
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 8: and Born in the of the you know, the ones

2079
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 8: that's going to teach mostly about helping the guys. Do

2080
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 8: you think Baker out or will it be Booty in

2081
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:03,919
Speaker 8: your opinion?

2082
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Brad that those were a lot of questions,

2083
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: so we'll try to get to all of them. In

2084
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 2: terms of receivers, you know, Polk, Baker, Williams. I think

2085
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: we're all the most optimistic about Kyle Williams right now,

2086
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 2: because he's the unknown guy or he's the rookie we

2087
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: haven't seen before. I'm still and again, I the way

2088
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 2: I would try to phrase this, I guess is like

2089
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the same out

2090
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 2: of Jalen Polk. Like I hope that it works out

2091
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 2: for him. I hope that last year. There's a lot

2092
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 2: of excuses the wrong word. There's a lot of caveats

2093
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 2: to last year for Jalen Polk. Wasn't a great coaching staff,

2094
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't a great situation for a rookie wide receiver.

2095
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons to point to it and

2096
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 2: just kind of be willing to throw out Jalen Polk's

2097
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: rookie season. With that being said, though, I just there's

2098
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 2: not a ton of precedent for a player coming in

2099
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 2: as a rookie, having such little production in so much

2100
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 2: many struggles as a rookie, and then going on to

2101
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 2: blossoming into being a true contributor. Like it just I'm

2102
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 2: honest saying you can't be an NFL player, but to

2103
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 2: go from that to being instantly like a good player

2104
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,759
Speaker 2: or the player that people projected coming out of college,

2105
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: you know, Kobe Meyers, Tyler Boyd type of receiver. I

2106
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 2: just think there's a long way to go for that

2107
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 2: to be a reality. And I would say the same

2108
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 2: thing about Javon Baker. I'm not writing them off. I'm

2109
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 2: just not expecting anything. I think that's like, you know,

2110
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 2: sort of the difference, Whereas with Kyle Williams, I kind

2111
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: of have some expectations for him right now, and I

2112
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 2: think Kyle Williams, they have a chance to really hit

2113
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 2: with Kyle Williams, and I'm expecting them to almost in

2114
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 2: a lot of ways.

2115
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll answer the guard one. To me, City Show's

2116
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 1: the favorite because he is a true left guard, and

2117
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 1: I think he plays the game more as more of

2118
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: a maller than the other two, which is what they want,

2119
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: which is what Josh McDaniels historically wanted in his guard.

2120
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: So to me, like City Show's the best fit. Does

2121
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: that mean he's the best player. We'll find out, But

2122
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: remember he was. He had a good year as a rookie,

2123
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: and he had really good summer last year before he

2124
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: got hurt. He just never really bounced back from that.

2125
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely possible, and he's the biggest out of

2126
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 2: the three guys, just from a measurable standpoint, which you know,

2127
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,839
Speaker 2: if they want to get back to those like mauling

2128
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: guards and in the McDaniels, you know, downhill scheme. I

2129
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: think Laden Robinson. He's smaller, like literally smaller, but he's

2130
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: also kind of like a maler and has play strained

2131
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: to him. Really. The only guy that I don't think

2132
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 2: fits is Strange, like Cole Strange is his own guard.

2133
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: No, he's a center in this scene.

2134
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he's I think both those guys Robinson

2135
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 2: and and so mix it up in a run game

2136
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: and like have a good solid foundational play strangth to

2137
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 2: their game that would lend themselves to playing in more

2138
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 2: of like a gap scheme or a downhill scheme like

2139
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 2: we've seen from McDaniels in the past. Email here from

2140
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 2: Dave and San Jose. His question is what trade value

2141
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 2: if any do any of the wide receivers have even

2142
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 2: a late round pick just talking about the log jam

2143
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 2: numbers wise that wide receiver. I still think the guy

2144
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 2: that has the most value, which is the reason why

2145
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 2: he's been floated in rumors, is Kaishan Boody. Yeah, and

2146
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 2: I think that's why his name is out there and

2147
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 2: nobody else's name is out there. Kendrick Bourne is kind

2148
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 2: of going into a season where he needs to, you know,

2149
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 2: rebuild his stock in an NFL hierarchy, just because of

2150
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 2: last year in the ACL two years ago. Kaishan Boody

2151
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: to me, seems like the guy that maybe even they're

2152
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: trying to sell, like frankly, like, you know, just with

2153
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 2: all the rumors that have been out there, he's been

2154
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 2: somebody that's just there's always a reason why the guy's

2155
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 2: name's out there. And I would say it's not because

2156
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: they necessarily don't see him being on the team or

2157
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: having a role on the team. I think it's more that, hey,

2158
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 2: if we can get a third or fourth round pick

2159
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 2: for Kashan Boody, wouldn't it be a little bit crazy

2160
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 2: not to do that.

2161
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's clearly him And I'll say this on Bourne.

2162
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: If Bourne does enough this summer to prove that he

2163
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: has trade value, they should probably be keeping him. Yeah,

2164
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 1: because it means he's playing well and we know that

2165
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: it works with him and Josh McDaniels.

2166
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right. Uh, Jake says there would one

2167
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 2: be an audience for Catch twenty two on Twitch playing

2168
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 2: dynasty in CDB. Do you does that mean anything to you?

2169
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, uh what is CDB?

2170
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 2: Maybe he meant CFB CFB Yeah, so well so it

2171
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 2: basically I think what he meant, because I've had people

2172
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,799
Speaker 2: ask me about this, like we're instead of playing against

2173
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 2: each other, like we do a franchise and we build

2174
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 2: the team.

2175
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I'll let you call the place and me the quarterback.

2176
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:30,799
Speaker 1: I'll be the receiver.

2177
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 2: So he said, Uh, what he would want us to do, yeah,

2178
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: is to each build our own separate teams in the

2179
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 2: same conference in college football and then play each other.

2180
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: See. I feel like it'd be better and Madden, because

2181
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: then we'd be doing like free agency in the draft

2182
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. Because you're not You're not going to get recruiting.

2183
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: That's going to frustrate you. I know that.

2184
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 2: But is it like is it like do they have

2185
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 2: like scenes? Like is it like you walk you walk

2186
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 2: into something. It's like you have like make an elevator pitch.

2187
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: You can't actually see it, but so like they you

2188
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,879
Speaker 1: have a certain number of points, right, Yeah, And depending

2189
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: on your coach and your school, you have different Every

2190
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 1: school has a different number of points to work with.

2191
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: But each week you use you like spend your points.

2192
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: You could what is it you can DM recruits. You

2193
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 1: don't get to choose what you say, but like these

2194
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: are what you're spending your timeline. DM recruits talk to family.

2195
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: There's one that's like set in the house, which is everything,

2196
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: and I forget what the middle one is. I never

2197
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: use that. But then there's also like you can like scout.

2198
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: You can spend time scouting. You can spend time just

2199
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: doing other things things like that. I'm out, Yeah I don't.

2200
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 1: That's not for you. No, I think it would be

2201
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: me versus you. We'd figure out some way to do it.

2202
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: In Maden er CFB. But the people want to watch it.

2203
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: The people do want to watch it.

2204
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Brownie emails back in as someone that has golfed with

2205
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 2: me before, which is true. I think I've golfed with

2206
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 2: him at least once. And he says, as someone who

2207
01:44:58,280 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 2: has golf with Evan, and I would agree with him

2208
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 2: better to stay off the course. But a cart would help,

2209
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 2: is what he said. Yeah, I Brownie knows, he knows

2210
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 2: how I have no patience for the game of golf.

2211
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Ryan is in Virginia, what's up, Ryan, You guys hear me?

2212
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 4: Yes, right, I got two comments and hypothetical that I'll

2213
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 4: listen to go off there. I understand that, like you said, Mac,

2214
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 4: college to see the blue guy. I know that in

2215
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 4: the past people have seen Kendricks Born as.

2216
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 8: The blue guy.

2217
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 4: I also think that like my comments though, is that

2218
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 4: he's a sneaky devices, especially with the Bailly zappy and

2219
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 4: like mac Jones situation, I think he's like underfined a

2220
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 4: lot of the room in the past, even though he

2221
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 4: has like a mom thod. I just don't really like

2222
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 4: I feel like he's not a good blue guy. By

2223
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 4: other comment is I think there's heavily on Drake made

2224
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 4: his development the sex year dump. So my hypothetical view

2225
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 4: is to father, see Drake may have like a seventh

2226
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 4: touchdown in turnover retio or he's down at like twenty

2227
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 4: four touchdowns and keeps it overs underten O that off there.

2228
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, that's a great call, because this is uh.

2229
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm curious about your answer to that.

2230
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.

2231
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 2: My answer to that is the load load turnover numbers.

2232
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 1: The nerds they want to tell you turnovers don't matter.

2233
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 2: Second probably so well that was why. I thought it

2234
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: was a good question because I thought that this is

2235
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 2: where we're but like you want them to score. Yes,

2236
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 2: I that's a weird question. It's a good question.

2237
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,440
Speaker 1: It's a weird question because all right, twenty four touchdowns.

2238
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Does Travian Hunt Henderson punch ten touchdowns in from the

2239
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 1: one yard line? Right? Like I It's so dependent on

2240
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: the context. Cutting down the turnovers is a big must

2241
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: for Drake May this season. He's a turn He was

2242
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: over turnover per game guy last year. Like that needs

2243
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: to come down. I look at can you get through

2244
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: the season at a turnover per game flat? Like as

2245
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: a maximum? Can you get through the season with that?

2246
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 1: But you know, if he's like twenty turnovers but he

2247
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: throws close to forty touchdowns, that's pretty good. So it's

2248
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very But at the same time, let's

2249
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: say he only throws twenty two touchdowns, but there were

2250
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 1: top five offense in football because they keep getting inside

2251
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: the five and just running the ball in which we

2252
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 1: know Josh McDaniels likes to do. He probably had a

2253
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: pretty good season even if the stats aren't there. So

2254
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: cutting down the turnovers is important. I don't you know,

2255
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 1: putting an exact number to the same thing. If it's

2256
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,879
Speaker 1: if he has less interceptions, if it's twenty two touchdowns

2257
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: but ten interceptions, but he fumbles the ball another ten times,

2258
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: versus if it's the seventeen interceptions but that's it and

2259
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't fumble. There's so much context missing there, it's

2260
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: tough to answer that question.

2261
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so just to pull it up because you know,

2262
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 2: you knew I was going to go here. So last

2263
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: year Josh Allen had twenty eight touchdowns, a six interceptions,

2264
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 2: one MVP.

2265
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:51,719
Speaker 1: The and that's not a lot of touchdowns.

2266
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: Well there's a fake MVP, but but one MVP of

2267
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 2: the league, fake MVP Joel Joel embid one MVP one time.

2268
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he did he also well, he also

2269
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 2: had thirteen rushing touchdowns, saying so he had forty one

2270
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns to six interceptions.

2271
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Forty one total touchdowns.

2272
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, forty one total touchdowns to six interceptions. He

2273
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 2: fumbled five times, but I don't know if those are

2274
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 2: all lost, but let's just call it forty one and

2275
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 2: eleven was his reshie. That's why you win MVP of

2276
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,719
Speaker 2: the league, right, Like those are MVP numbers.

2277
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would be well Lamar had more MVP numbers,

2278
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 1: but sure, just just he was by default their MVP numbers,

2279
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: he was first or second for the MVP. Can do

2280
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: that great? I think just he's not gonna do I

2281
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:32,600
Speaker 1: know he's not gonna do that, but I think just

2282
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 1: putting it on touchdowns interceptions removes a lot of content.

2283
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,759
Speaker 2: So just but just for the sake of the discussion,

2284
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 2: because I think that this is this is the volatility

2285
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 2: question that's really being asked. So in twenty twenty three

2286
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: where Josh Allen also had a really good season, but

2287
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 2: he was twenty nine touchdowns passing touchdowns to eighteen interceptions.

2288
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's too many.

2289
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 2: So that that, right there is what I think I

2290
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 2: could see Drake May doing in the ballpark of like

2291
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: this season, right is a guy that's around thirty total touchdowns,

2292
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know if it's gonna be eighteen. But

2293
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 2: I think the biggest worry that it's not even the

2294
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 2: nerd stuff, Like obviously there's been a lot of recent studies,

2295
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 2: you know, just to explain to people what Alex is

2296
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 2: talking about, Like, there's been a lot of recent studies

2297
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 2: in nerdom world about turnovers and how backbreaking are they

2298
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: really and how important are they really? Obviously nobody wants

2299
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 2: to turn the ball over, right like that, don't do that.

2300
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to turn the ball over.

2301
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 1: Saying they're okay is very close to wanting it.

2302
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 2: They're not saying it's okay. They're saying that. The old

2303
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 2: coach speak is turnovers lose football games. Turnovers are are catastrophe.

2304
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 1: They do. There's no stat what is it? There's no

2305
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: stat more indicative of wins and losses other besides final

2306
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: score than turnover margin.

2307
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 2: Except passing EPA, which is a real stat, which is

2308
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: what we're gonna go.

2309
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Or did the nerds make up that stat because this

2310
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 1: is what they do. All right, we really like Josh Allen,

2311
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: but he's turning the ball over a lot. Let's pull

2312
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 1: some formula out of thin air the sizes turnovers. This

2313
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: all started happening with Josh Allen and a couple other

2314
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks too. But like, they wanted to downplay the turnovers

2315
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: so they could say that the guys they liked, so

2316
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: some of them. So they created a formula that downplay

2317
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: turnovers and said, see, look.

2318
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 2: Some of the things that they looked at. Uh, passing

2319
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 2: EPA is probably the biggest one. And Ben Johnson has

2320
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:36,759
Speaker 2: famously said the most important stat other than the scores,

2321
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 2: passing game EPAU, Passing game EPA is the big one.

2322
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 2: Explosive plays is the other big one.

2323
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

2324
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 2: It's now been determined that essentially one explosive play a

2325
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,599
Speaker 2: drive is a scoring drive, to is a touchdown drive

2326
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 2: on on the whole. Uh, you know, in terms of averages.

2327
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at where we're all driving at

2328
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 2: here in terms of all this is is it better

2329
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 2: to hunt the explosives and hunt the efficiency and not

2330
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 2: put as much emphasis on protecting the football as it is?

2331
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 2: You know, the callers point like if Drake May has

2332
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 2: a season, you know, Josh Allen's second season in the

2333
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 2: NFL was twenty to nine. It's it's just so you

2334
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: can sit there and say, only threw nine picks. That's

2335
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 2: really good, but he also didn't have the upward of

2336
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 2: the ceiling of the eyes.

2337
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's so context dependent. What kind of

2338
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: offense do you have, what are you trying to accomplish,

2339
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: what kind of players do you have around you? Like,

2340
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a definitive answer to that,

2341
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: because there's so many other variables. Here's the way i'd

2342
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 1: put it. What would be more encouraging to you, Evan,

2343
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 1: Drake May is and we're going to extremes here, but

2344
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: like you all understand, we're going with this. Yeah, Drake

2345
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 1: May is a top ten to fifteen quarterback, but the

2346
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: Patriots finished top five in offense. Or Drake May is

2347
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,559
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback, but the Patriots finished top ten

2348
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen in scoring offense.

2349
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 2: So basically justin Herbert, because that's justin Herbert, Like you

2350
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 2: can aesthetically say, Justin Herbert, it's like a top five

2351
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 2: quarterback in the league, but maybe last year they crept

2352
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 2: on but he enough, But that's justin Herbert.

2353
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Don't use it nerd number here. I'm specifically talking about points,

2354
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: because the idea being if Drake May is getting them

2355
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:24,520
Speaker 1: into scoring opportunities regularly, even if he's not directly responsible

2356
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: for the scoring play itself, Yeah, that's more encouraging than

2357
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: all right, well, Drake May threw a bunch of touchdowns,

2358
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: but they didn't really have anything going besides that. I

2359
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: have to see how I guess it's tough to because

2360
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: like if it's man, what I'm saying, Yeah, like if

2361
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones's rookie season, then I'm not I'm not.

2362
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't want That's kind of what I'm saying.

2363
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn Drake May into that. And

2364
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 2: that's my I'm not saying turn him into I'm not

2365
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: saying that's my fear of like overstressing.

2366
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the approach. I'm not saying necessarily that's

2367
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: the internal approach. Let's just say it falls that way,

2368
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 1: going the way that they want to go about it.

2369
01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 2: My concern is and I'm not saying this is going

2370
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 2: to happen, Yeah, I'm just saying, like, my concern with

2371
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 2: this conversation is that they are going to put kid

2372
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: gloves on him and put him on you know, training wheel.

2373
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 1: It's not even kid gloves, it's.

2374
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 2: They are gonna I don't want them to over emphasize

2375
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 2: you cannot turn the ball over in uh trade for playmaking,

2376
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 2: Like I'd rather him turn the ball over a little

2377
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 2: bit more than you would like, but still make the

2378
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 2: high end plays. But that that, again, is that's not even.

2379
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: Me really my point. I guess, Okay, so in what

2380
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: year is this in twenty This is a bad cop

2381
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make.

2382
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 2: It's Matt Johns's rookie season. Matt John's rooky season. They

2383
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 2: were a top ten scoring offense, but they weren't an explosive.

2384
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: So it's more like this in twenty sixteen, right, Yeah,

2385
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take turnovers out of it because he

2386
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: was insane that year. But like Tom Brady threw twenty

2387
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns in twenty sixteen, that's as far as Tom

2388
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: Brady goes a relatively pedestrian year, twenty eight touchdowns. They

2389
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: still ran third in offense. Why le Garrett Blunt had

2390
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 1: eighteen rushing touchdowns, Yeah, because they just got inside the

2391
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,640
Speaker 1: five all the time and hammered a home. That was

2392
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 1: the year that like James White kept taking screens getting

2393
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 1: pushed out of bounds at the two yard line. That

2394
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:16,839
Speaker 1: happened like seven or eight times something if I'm remembering correctly.

2395
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 1: So like if it's like if Drake May throws twenty

2396
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:24,799
Speaker 1: touchdowns but they run for another twenty, Drake May played fine.

2397
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 2: But you have to remember and this is we can

2398
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 2: move on after this. But like he's a playmaker, Drake

2399
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 2: May is, He's a playman. I don't need it back.

2400
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: But here's my point, I don't even be a playmaker

2401
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 1: inside the five. Run the run, the balling.

2402
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 2: No, I'm not even with him, but I'm just saying,

2403
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 2: like you can't. He's a gun slinger, he's a playmaker.

2404
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 2: Like that's the type of quarterback they drafted. They drafted

2405
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, they didn't draft Tom Brady. So like, if

2406
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna get him to the point where he's a

2407
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 2: winning player like Josh Allen is now, you have to

2408
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 2: let him make the mistakes because if you try to

2409
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 2: rein him in and you try to limit, you know,

2410
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:03,440
Speaker 2: the suppressed the turnovers, that is also going to suppress

2411
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 2: the playmaks.

2412
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: I just think we're making different arguments. I think they're

2413
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: going to be more run heavy than they've been in

2414
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 1: the past in the red zone, which is going to

2415
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: impact his passing touchdown number. So I'm not looking at

2416
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 1: that number as indicative and success, looking.

2417
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 2: At like the play style of the offense right exactly.

2418
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 2: I would rather then allow him, like Josh Allen has,

2419
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 2: like to figure it out as he goes here, to

2420
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 2: get that turnover number down to the point where in

2421
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 2: three or four years from now he is playing at

2422
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 2: an MVP level. Then to try to suppress both, because

2423
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 2: what they're gonna end up doing is if you say

2424
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 2: to him, we like, we can't turn the ball over.

2425
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 2: That's emphasis number one is don't turn the ball over.

2426
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: He's not gonna make that.

2427
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: But you also can't be afraid when there are bad

2428
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 1: turnovers to do things to correct him.

2429
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, Uh, Eldred is in North Carolina? What's up?

2430
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 2: Eldred to horn?

2431
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 6: But I'm in the parking lot without everybody, and I

2432
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 6: can't do that. One ain't going down.

2433
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, question Evan, Yes, sir, I.

2434
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 6: Man, and I would love to see you and bark

2435
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 6: go ahad it. And like said, I've been playing Man

2436
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 6: for about thirty seven years now and I still play

2437
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 6: it and I'm.

2438
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 3: Sixty three.

2439
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 6: Still play Well, Uh yeah, I would try that. And

2440
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 6: my question is, I'm like everybody else about Matt Hollins,

2441
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 6: and I'm hopefully that one of the young guys maybe

2442
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 6: they give jun jobs or shot at it, you know,

2443
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 6: at the ax. But you keep thinking the is just

2444
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 6: gonna be a sacrifice dummy, just run down the because

2445
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure, uh, he ain't gonna keep doing that,

2446
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 6: like the like the Brady outfit, he got to throw

2447
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 6: a deep sometimes because Drake got the Army throw deep too,

2448
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 6: and I take it off the air. Thanks Eelas, you

2449
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 6: have a good one.

2450
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 2: Thanks Elger, Thanks for the call. Yeah, I definitely think

2451
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 2: that that's say, uh something that you know Drake. Not

2452
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 2: that Brady was a bad deep all thrower by any means,

2453
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 2: but that's a strength of Drake that maybe wasn't a

2454
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 2: strength of Max game as much that with Josh McDaniel's

2455
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 2: in this offense, Like you want to see more of

2456
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 2: those down to field drows, no doubt about it. And maybe,

2457
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 2: uh maybe maybe that X receiver gets a little bit

2458
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 2: more volume because of that. It's definitely possible. All Right,

2459
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 2: our last call here, Todd is in Gardner. What's up Todd?

2460
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I got just a quick question for you,

2461
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 3: and I'll give you my answer before I get off

2462
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 3: there and take it. So, I'm wondering who's gonna mature

2463
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 3: first into their into what they're going to be, the

2464
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 3: defense or the offense. And I think it's gonna be

2465
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 3: the offense because I think Drake. This is Drake May's

2466
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 3: second year and there. I think with Josh McDaniels can

2467
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 3: take what he's got and they'll be able to You'll

2468
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 3: see the offense come into and thrown before the defense,

2469
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 3: because I think the defense has got a lot of

2470
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 3: new parts, a whole new identity they're trying to bring in,

2471
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 3: and these guys haven't played before and it's together, and

2472
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 3: I I just I don't know. Something just doesn't feel

2473
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 3: like it's gonna come quickly. I'm not gonna say it's

2474
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 3: not gonna come. I just feel like it's gonna take

2475
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 3: more time to get the style of defense that Brabill

2476
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 3: wants in place. What do you guys think?

2477
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 2: Thank you, that's a good question, Todd. So historically defense

2478
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 2: is ahead of offense, right think, just in terms of training,

2479
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 2: camp and all that kind of stuff. And I do

2480
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 2: kind of lean a little bit towards defense just because,

2481
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 2: for one, I still think their talent on the roster

2482
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 2: is better on defense for now than it is on offense.

2483
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 2: Until we see some of these rookies play and maybe

2484
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, Campbell and Kyle Williams and Trevon Henderson improve

2485
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 2: the talent level of the offense beyond what it is now.

2486
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 2: But until I see that happen. I still think the

2487
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 2: defense is a little bit more veteran and a little

2488
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 2: bit more established talent on that side. It's also Rabel's

2489
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,000
Speaker 2: side of the ball, So like, I lean a little

2490
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 2: bit more towards defense, just because historically that's that's what

2491
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 2: comes faster to most teams. But with McDaniels, like, it's

2492
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 2: a big learning curve for a lot of young players.

2493
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 2: On offense, it's a tough offense to grasp. It's a

2494
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 2: young quarterback and another system. Your two different system. I

2495
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,879
Speaker 2: could see there being some growing pains on offense.

2496
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the defense one has more veteran players,

2497
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: like you said, and also what you know in terms

2498
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: of what they're going to become. I think more of

2499
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: the long term personnel more. The core is built on

2500
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: defense than offense. Yes, you have the quarterback on offense,

2501
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 1: it's monumentally important. But on defense, you know, Christian Barmore,

2502
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 1: Keon White's hopefully a part of this obviously, Christian Zalz

2503
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: I know, kind of on the fringe, but you know,

2504
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugart's not old. He's not young, but he's not old.

2505
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 3: Right.

2506
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2507
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 1: On offense, you have Drake May, you have Will Campbell,

2508
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams. I think ideally long term is your wide

2509
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 1: receiver two, right, I still think they're going to make

2510
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: a big splash at receiver one, if not two. Spots

2511
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: on the offensive line are still going to turn over?

2512
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 1: Are they committed to Mandre Stevenson long termers? There are

2513
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 1: another back coming in with Trevon Henderson. What's how long

2514
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: is Hunter Henry's runway? Like, I think the offense is

2515
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 1: still going to change a lot around Drake, maybe between

2516
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: now and when he gets into his prime at twenty six,

2517
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty eight years old.

2518
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd still I feel the same way. Yeah, that's

2519
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 2: ultimately what it is is defense. I just feel like

2520
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 2: they have more established players and like an NFL established like, yeah,

2521
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 2: we know Christian Gonzales, we know Carlton Davis, we know

2522
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 2: what Milan Williams is, we know what Barmore is when

2523
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,400
Speaker 2: he's healthy. We even know what a guy like Robert

2524
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 2: Splaine is going to bring, you know, to the defensive

2525
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 2: side of the ball. Offensively, I still think that you're

2526
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 2: really hoping that the young talent Drake May, Will Campbell,

2527
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Traveon Henderson, maybe the guys from you know,

2528
02:00:27,120 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four draft, like you're still hoping that

2529
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 2: that young talent is gonna elevate your ceiling, and it's

2530
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of a mystery of that

2531
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:37,879
Speaker 2: if that's going to happen or not. I don't necessarily

2532
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:41,240
Speaker 2: feel the exact that really with the defense, like even

2533
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 2: defensively and we did today with the safeties like Peppers

2534
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 2: and Kyle Duggar are NFL players, like I don't know

2535
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 2: if they're great NFL players, are elite NFL players, but

2536
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 2: we've seen them play at a starting caliber clip in

2537
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:55,520
Speaker 2: the past. We've never seen Kyle Williams be a starting

2538
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 2: ex receiver in the NFL. I hope he's a great one,

2539
02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 2: but we've never seen it happen. So that's where that is.

2540
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 2: It's a good question by Todd there at the end.

2541
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna you know, there's some Celtics questions in

2542
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 2: the emails, but I'm gonna let it go because it's

2543
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 2: two o'clock. We gotta cut it off. But I'm not

2544
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,760
Speaker 2: trading Jalen Brown. There was too many questions, too much

2545
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 2: of that going on. But we'll be back next week.

2546
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 2: I think we're getting to an OTA right next week,

2547
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 2: I don't remember what.

2548
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 1: Day it's I think Tuesday, Wednesday.

2549
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hopefully we'll have an ota to talk about.

2550
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 2: We'll obviously have the schedule officially to discuss as well,

2551
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about the schedule plenty tomorrow on

2552
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered, and Alex will be on the Sports Up

2553
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure as well to get schedule takes.

2554
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 1: So live show tonight starting at seven to fifty.

2555
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 2: There you go, So we'll have plenty of schedule takes,

2556
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:45,560
Speaker 2: but today stuck to Mini caamp and the roster reset.

2557
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 2: So thanks for all the calls and emails there at

2558
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: the end. I'm glad we were able to get to

2559
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,600
Speaker 2: all you guys, and we'll see you guys next week.

2560
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. Hey this is Alex. Thanks for tuning

2561
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 2: into the show.

2562
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 1: If you really want to help us, make sure you

2563
02:01:58,880 --> 02:01:59,320
Speaker 1: like us on.

2564
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:03,120
Speaker 2: Apple, podcast, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Also

2565
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 2: make sure you follow us on the New

2566
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 5: England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and everything

2567
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 5: else we do here at the Patriots means a lot