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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Dde Lamb and now your hosts Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans just

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Speaker 1: sixty five days to the NFL Draft on April twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. As we are just around the corner

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Speaker 1: from what would have been Combine Week in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but we are going to talk through it here on

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kyle Yeomans, Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: David Helman will be soon to be joined by Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us coming up here in the next couple of moments.

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Speaker 1: But guys, sixty five days, it's the Draft Show presented

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Speaker 1: by Miller Lite. That's always been in the case, But

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's now crunch time for these scouting departments.

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Speaker 1: We're getting into the nitty gritty, Bucky, because hey, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of evaluations still to go for a lot

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Speaker 1: of these prospects. The lists have been made, now it's

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Speaker 1: the list have been made, but I mean there's so

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get any too physical stuff that you

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Speaker 1: And so it is a huge challenge. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: a challenge is this going to be for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: front office specifically, because I mean, whenever you look at

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have a tough task ahead of them.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about opt outs and all sorts of

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Speaker 1: but it continues to be crazy. I'm really I'm really

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Speaker 1: sad right now now, Kyle, because as we sit here,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know not everybody listens live, but we

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Speaker 1: And if it was a normal year, we would be

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Speaker 1: Because Tuesday is kind of the unofficial start of the

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Speaker 1: hampers the process. Bucky have you ever scouted shamed the

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Speaker 1: talked about the least, like we've probably just in our

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Speaker 1: minds said like okay, no way, I don't think you

433
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Speaker 1: can necessarily do that. And I think people are people

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Speaker 1: are kind of coming back around on him. So all

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Speaker 1: three of those, UM, I guess your question is, what

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Speaker 1: would what would the pick be or what would my

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Speaker 1: reaction be if the pick was a linebacker. UM. I

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Speaker 1: guess it depends on who it is. But I'm intrigued

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Speaker 1: by O those who Coromoa mainly because of versatility. And

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Speaker 1: that's if I'm and Parsons as well for that matter,

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Speaker 1: Like if I'm drafting a linebacker in that position, I

442
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Speaker 1: want versatility. You know, Parsons can rush the passer. Coromoa

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Speaker 1: can cover, maybe play some safety. He goes down in

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Speaker 1: the slot. Um, So if you're giving me a guy

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Speaker 1: that's that versatile, I'm not opposed to it at all,

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Speaker 1: but I'd rather draft it. I'd rather draft one of

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks I think. I think with linebackers, and the

448
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Speaker 1: discussion will be had about off the ball linebackers and

449
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Speaker 1: their impact or whatever. I think now more than ever,

450
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Speaker 1: if you take a guy on the second level high

451
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Speaker 1: in the draft, he has to be able to impact

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Speaker 1: the game in a variety of ways. He not only

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Speaker 1: has to be able to be a sideline and sideline enforcer,

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Speaker 1: but he has to be able to give you something

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Speaker 1: in terms of production against the pass, whether that's in coverage,

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Speaker 1: whether that's as a sacker, all those things. I think

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Speaker 1: we talked about Devin White right and quietly Devin White

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Speaker 1: may have had nine sacks or whatever, like that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of production that you're talking about. Okay, well that's

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Speaker 1: worth that's worthy of being a top five selection. The

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Speaker 1: conversation with Michael Parsons, and I am guilty of it

462
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Speaker 1: because I went on here and absolutely stained his name

463
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Speaker 1: when we had one of the early shows. The character concerns,

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Speaker 1: like when I talk when we talk about the character stuff,

465
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Speaker 1: the character stuff is really immaturity. But then having a

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Speaker 1: conversation with James Franklin or whatever, like the kid graduated

467
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Speaker 1: in three years, which speaks to his ability to focus

468
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Speaker 1: and take care of business in the classroom. And then

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Speaker 1: you get around the program and you know he's a

470
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Speaker 1: really good player. And then you watch the tape and

471
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Speaker 1: you see a freak athlete who can come downhill, who

472
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Speaker 1: plays heavy hand, and he has a nasty disposition and

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, like maybe because he's been

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Speaker 1: out of sight this year, it's been easy to kind

475
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Speaker 1: of pile on and you just don't give him. What

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Speaker 1: you should in terms of give him is just do

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Speaker 1: in terms of the player to think about a Woosu

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Speaker 1: core Moore need to see him at a comment because

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Speaker 1: you need to know how bad he is in terms

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Speaker 1: of size, because Darius Leonard is a guy who arguably

481
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Speaker 1: is one of the best linebackers in football, but for

482
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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Coats, by the end of the season, he's

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Speaker 1: playing at two fifteen, you know, two seventeen, which is

484
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Speaker 1: really light, but he's really good. Well, Core Moore, how

485
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Speaker 1: big is he and what is he going to play like?

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Speaker 1: Because there's some people that say maybe he's in the

487
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Speaker 1: low twos at the end of the year, and that

488
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Speaker 1: makes a huge difference when you're thinking about him inside

489
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Speaker 1: the box as opposed to side the box as a

490
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Speaker 1: hybrid player. And so those things will have to be

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Speaker 1: determined when you get a chance to see those guys

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Speaker 1: work out. And then with Collins, what is his best

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Speaker 1: position because you see him play inside almost like as

494
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Speaker 1: a traditional mic but he's better served to kind of

495
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Speaker 1: play outside as a sam linebacker in those Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, Bucky real quick, um, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of what I just said about Parsons. I'm definitely guilty

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Speaker 1: of doing this, Like under the old regime, especially with

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Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli. You just you can just cross names off

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Speaker 1: the list in January, you know, you're like like, you're like, oh,

501
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Speaker 1: this this guy's a one technique. Yeah, I don't even

502
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Speaker 1: need to watch his table. No, I'm and I get

503
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Speaker 1: that with Zavin Collins, where I'm like, this guy is

504
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: clearly a hell of a player, but he is a

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Speaker 1: big guy. I mean he's six three, two sixty, you know,

506
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Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds. That does not look like

507
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Speaker 1: the type of linebacker that dan Quinn would draft. To me,

508
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Speaker 1: do you think I'm wrong about that? No? I think

509
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Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. He reminds me a

510
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Speaker 1: lot of the ye that came out of Vanderbilt a

511
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Zach Cunning him. Remember Zach Kunning

512
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Speaker 1: him Big from Vanderbilt Big. I don't say he was

513
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: a lumberer, but he was kind of like a throwback

514
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies linebacker, right, big, heavy handed or whatever. Zavian

515
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Speaker 1: Collins kind of strikes me as that when you think

516
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Speaker 1: about this defense and what dan Quinn has traditionally done,

517
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Speaker 1: first in Seattle, then when you see what they were

518
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Speaker 1: able to do in Atlanta. He wants fast guys, vision

519
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: and break guys, and the size wasn't as big of

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Speaker 1: a fact that it was more speed, instincts, reactions, How

521
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Speaker 1: quick can they get to the ball? Can they create disruption?

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Speaker 1: So I don't think you're wrong when you say I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Xavier and Collins is a fit for

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Speaker 1: how they want to play, because in my mind, Zavian

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Speaker 1: Collins is going to run around like Jalen Smith. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Jalen Smith is a fifth in

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Speaker 1: the defense in terms of the speed or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: I know he is as critical as anybody else of

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Speaker 1: his game, but from a critical over year, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know sideline the sideline if he's that kind of player.

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Speaker 1: And so it remains to be seen what this looks

532
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Speaker 1: like when DQ gets his hands on his defense. Well,

533
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: now Zavian Collins is completely tanked in every mind of everything.

534
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Speaker 1: It's over. It's done. If Zamon Collins is picked to ten,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be riots in the streets in Arlington and

536
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Speaker 1: Frisco and Dallas all over the place. Goodness, gracious, I

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Speaker 1: love it, Bucky. I mean, you're not wrong, You're exactly what.

538
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: You're exactly right in saying that that's why you need

539
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Speaker 1: the specific type of player. And I know player over

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Speaker 1: scheme BPA. He could talk all about all of those things,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, there is a fine line

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Speaker 1: that you have to walk, and if Zavin Collins doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit what dan Quinn wants to do defensively, then most

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Speaker 1: likely he's not going to end up being the pick.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't know if necessarily he could be there. Now.

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons could be that pick, and you could also

547
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Speaker 1: throw Jeremiah us Core more at least in the conversation,

548
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: but Zaven Collins just doesn't look like that type of player,

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Speaker 1: being the six four and fifty pound linebacker in which

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Speaker 1: he should be measured to be whenever we get to

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Speaker 1: Tulsa Pro Day. But we're gonna step aside. When we

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Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna do some Twitter on the twenty.

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Speaker 1: a three year deal and you sign him, could Dallas

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Speaker 1: still consider a quarterback at pick number ten if Lance's

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Speaker 1: lance is there first year of the deal for Dak

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Speaker 1: is back from injury. So basically his question is is

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Speaker 1: the opposite thinking of what normally you would think is

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Speaker 1: if there's no deal, draft a quarterback. And we've talked

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Speaker 1: is a deal, do you still think about taking the

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Speaker 1: quarterback at ten day? Absolutely not. If I mean, if

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Speaker 1: if Dak is under contract for multiple years, then you know,

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Speaker 1: with all due respect to the Green Bay Packers, they

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Speaker 1: are a very well run organization. I just think that's

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Speaker 1: a terrible idea. And yeah, maybe maybe the Packers don't

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Speaker 1: win the NFC Championship if they draft a receiver in

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Speaker 1: the first round, maybe they don't draft a receiver at all.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they draft a defender who helps their defense play

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Speaker 1: that much better. And get Tom Brady off the field. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you have a quarterback who is at the top,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the top of his position, doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be the best. But if he's in the top handful,

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Speaker 1: which I think Dak is, then you got to use

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Speaker 1: a pick like that to make the rest of your

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Speaker 1: I mean, quarterbacks are always valuable. If you were to

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Speaker 1: draft trade Lands at number ten, he's a great insurance policy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he helps you in the future, maybe you can

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Speaker 1: trade him down the line, like the Patriots thing with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. I get it. But if the goal is

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Speaker 1: to make the NFC Championship and beyond for the first

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Speaker 1: time in thirty years, a guy who's not supposed to

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Speaker 1: play ain't helping you do that. So the only way

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Speaker 1: I'm considering a quarterback is if they can't get Dak signed.

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Speaker 1: That's just me. Okay. So here's the thing. I'll play

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Speaker 1: devil's advocate on this, because we talk about the quarterback

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Speaker 1: position being the most important position football, yet we don't

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Speaker 1: want to commit big time resources. So let's just imagine

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Speaker 1: that we did have an even better quarterback behind Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott when he got injured, instead of doing the revolving

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Speaker 1: You do wonder how many other wins would have been

643
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: in the hopper for that. But to your point, David,

644
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense for the Cowboys to do that.

645
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I just want to throw that out there. It doesn't

646
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: really make sense for them to do the quarterback thing

647
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: unless Dak is not signed to a long term deal.

648
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be interesting because man, I

649
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: used to be decided like, oh, they'll get it done.

650
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm fifty to fifty because when you think about

651
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: the money and what could take place, and the two

652
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: franchise tags and the forty four percent increase on next

653
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: year's tag if they tag him, I just think this

654
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: has to be a situation where you look at it

655
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: and if he is not signed to the tag early,

656
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: if he doesn't do a long term deal by the

657
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: beginning of April, I think you have to put the

658
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: quarterback in play because you just don't know if he's

659
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: going to be in the mix for years to come.

660
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: And when you look at the teams that are going

661
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: deep in the playoffs, they're teams with guys that are

662
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: pretty much playing on rickie deals, Like the quarterback is

663
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: on a rookie deal because you can build out the

664
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: rest of the team. And so I just wonder if

665
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: that's the role that we're heading when it comes to

666
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: that position, how you which? And nobody, I say this

667
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: every time, nobody loves that more than me. I want

668
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that to be the future of this franchise. But I'm

669
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: with you. You. I mean, if you can't get this done,

670
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: then you've got to find a way to take advantage

671
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: of being in this position in the draft. And what

672
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: terrifies me, what absolutely terrifies me, is if they don't

673
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: get a deal done with Dak and then they draft

674
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. Who I love Caleb Farley. He's probably if

675
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Dak is under contract, he's probably the guy that I

676
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: would want them to draft the most. But then imagine

677
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: they draft Caleb Farley. We get to July, a deal

678
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: doesn't get done, and now you have a pretty good

679
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: quarterback pairing and no quarterback and you have no idea

680
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: where you're going to be drafting next year. Um, yeah, nightmare.

681
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Absolute nightmare, and I hope we can avoid it. Please,

682
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys do something. That's the crossroads that we're talking about it.

683
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: I talked about that yesterday. I'm talking Cowboys. I know, Bucky,

684
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: you've talked about it on the NFL network, Dave on

685
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: the break. I mean, we've all had these conversations throughout.

686
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it a ton on this show

687
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: because we want to talk about prospects. But that's the

688
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: decision you've got to make. You have to find out

689
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: if Dak is your future or not, plain and simple,

690
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: figure it out. Don't take an extra quarterback if you

691
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: don't have to. If he's not your future, fine, yes,

692
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: take your quarterback and we'll go from there and see

693
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: what happens. I don't know if at ten you're gonna

694
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: be able to get a trade lance you may have

695
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: to settle for mac Jones. Body's okay, well who mac Jones?

696
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Mac Jones? Well, okay, is that a Is that a

697
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: positive or a negative? There? Not for me? Not for me.

698
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: I'll pass on this. I'll pass on I'll say this.

699
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: That's why I said settle. We don't have to go

700
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: too far down this rabbit hole. But if they if

701
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: they don't sign Dac and they try to pick a quarterback,

702
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: they need to trade up from ten. They need to

703
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Oh they won't. They won't get a guy. They won't

704
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: get it. They gotta use they gotta use the compis

705
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: and and what and a future one whatever they got

706
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: to do. You know, this is a terrible example because

707
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz just got traded out of Philly, but Philly

708
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: traded up from sixteen to two to get him. You know,

709
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: you're probably you're not getting Trevor Lawrence. But if you

710
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: got to trade up to four to get justin Fields

711
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell you gotta do, you gotta do it.

712
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: If you're not going to sign Dac, which that goes

713
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: back to me, like you're not. You're not fixing this

714
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: problem without spending significant resources anyway, So you might as

715
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: well just sign the guy that's already here. How do

716
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: you want to spend how do you want to spend

717
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: the capitol? Do you want to spend it in cash

718
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to Dak Prescott, do you want to

719
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: spend it in draft capital? Either way, you have to

720
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: make sure that a number one position in football is

721
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: taken care of. And so you just have to pick.

722
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: How do you want to do it? Pay me now,

723
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: pay me to it. Number one position in sports, and

724
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: that's exactly why we are talking about it here on

725
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: the Trap Show. Let's go into Chef Block two O

726
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: two's question on Twitter. He said, which one of these

727
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: space Eaters would be the best Day three pick for

728
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: the Cowboys since Dallas doesn't have a true one technique

729
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: Tyler Shelvin to Darryl Slayton or Quentin Bohanna and we

730
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: can throw different names in there as well. Ultimately looking

731
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: at defensive tackles on Day two, late Day two, day

732
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: three potentially for the Cowboys to fill that one technique slot. Man,

733
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: that's tough because you're talking about like a one technique spot,

734
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: like I want to say, you can get a space

735
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: Eater anywhere. I'm still trying to figure out, like how

736
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: DQ likes his defensive tackles because when you look at

737
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: him right, Grady Jared was a pass rushing phenale, but

738
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: he's an undersized guy. He's not necessarily your classic defensive

739
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: tackle in terms of the way that he's built. I

740
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, like it's kind of tough because

741
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: you'd ask him for Day three, who knows. I think

742
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to no, no, I think a

743
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: guy who is going to fall, who's going to be

744
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: in the conversation. And he's a guy who was highly

745
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: acclaimed coming out, like Marvin Wilson. Is going to be

746
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation to have because when you look at him,

747
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: depending on which year of tape you look at, you

748
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: see a guy who can dominate. You see a guy

749
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: with heavy hands, you see a guy with athleticism. This

750
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: year he didn't have the same level of athleticism because

751
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: he was dealing with the injury. When you watch Met

752
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he's just he's okay. But there are

753
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: some that believe that you can dust off those things

754
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: and you can put him in a position that may

755
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: help him. He may not have been playing at his

756
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: best at Florida State. I'll just throw in and I

757
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: agree with everything you just said. But but I mean, yeah,

758
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Grady Jared obviously became this great player, but I believe

759
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: he was a fifth round pick. So yeah, I mean,

760
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you can definitely find these guys. And oh my god,

761
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Tyler Sheldon is just a comically large man, Like geez,

762
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: good lord, you know every we made a big deal

763
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: about We made a big deal about Dantari Poe because

764
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: of how big he was, and we're not used to

765
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: having that type of DT around here. Tyler Shelvin might

766
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: be bigger than Dontari Poe at least at this point

767
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, I definitely, I think Day three

768
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: is the right conversation to have because I know, you know,

769
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I know it's a new decordinator. I get that, But

770
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't see this front office spending a huge pick

771
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: on a two down player. You know, I know they

772
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: drafted Gallimore last year, but you know he's a guy

773
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: that they feel good about his ability to rush the passer.

774
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Shelvin strikes me as more of like a two

775
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: down player, which you know, I just I can't imagine

776
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: the Cowboys drafting a two down player with a top

777
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: one hundred pick. And I do you know, we got

778
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: to see how free agency plays out as well, and

779
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: that they choose to address be a free agency because

780
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: you think about it, you just drafted Gallimore, you felt

781
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: pretty good about what Tristan Hill showed before he got

782
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: hurt last year. So that's that's two lofty draft picks

783
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: that they used in the last two years that I'm

784
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: not saying you can count on it, but you at

785
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: least feel good about what they might be able to

786
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: give you. So I won't be surprised if they have

787
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: if they fill that out with free agents rather than

788
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: try to draft it, honestly, And I think the interesting

789
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: thing if you go back and look at DQ's history

790
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: with who he's played with inside, they haven't been like

791
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: big guys. So you talk about Shelvin, but Brandon Meban

792
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: was kind of a squatty body, fire hydrant plugger at Seattle,

793
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: and then you think about Grady Jared, and then he

794
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: also had Rashad Hageman, who didn't necessarily work out for

795
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: him and the Falcons, but he was their big three techniques.

796
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: So if you ask me, I still don't know exactly

797
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: what DQ likes at that position because it's been a

798
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a hodgepodge in terms of the players

799
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: that have played. I do still believe that there's a

800
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: spot and a role for Tristan Hill. That's as some standpoint,

801
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I think I don't know how

802
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: much deal commit to a free agent defensive tackle. And

803
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I also don't know if if they're going to commit

804
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: like a top pick to another guy. When you talked

805
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: about a second and a third round pick being used

806
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: on defensive tackle in the most recent past, and I

807
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: think that's kind of why Day three in the question.

808
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: Now that's yeah, yeah, perfect spot because early Day three

809
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: and you have so many of those picks in the

810
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: top one hundred, that's fine, you can spend that elsewhere

811
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe right so out right outside of that top one

812
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: hundred top two hundred picks, that's extra sweet spot because

813
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily looking for someone to replace Nevil Gallimore.

814
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: You want Nevill Gallimore to be a starter next year.

815
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: You want Tristan Hill to take that next step as

816
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: a second round pick in sure, but you also have

817
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: a safety net back behind him that's not maybe Antoine

818
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: Woods or Tymeround Crawford. You have some of those extra

819
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: bodies back there. I'm interested to hear what you guys

820
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: think about Alan McNeil out of state, and I know

821
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: this is probably not a Day three pick. I think

822
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: he's somebody that will go in the second or third round,

823
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: and I like him a lot in terms of the size,

824
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: the way that he moves at three hundred and twenty pounds.

825
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like he moves at three twenty. He

826
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: moves really well. And he's a sideline the sideline type

827
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: of guy if you need him in the run game.

828
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: And he's good at kind of chasing down guys in

829
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: the flat or at least on film. But Bucky, what

830
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: do you think about what McNeil brings to the table

831
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: and where does he rank among your defensive tackles at

832
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: the moment? Well, look, leave neil like you're talking about

833
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: six to two hundred and ninety seven pounds coming out

834
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: of the North Carolina State. Here's what I'll say about

835
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: in North Carolina State when it comes to their ability

836
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: to produce, they have produce a ton of defensive linemen

837
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: that have played successfully in the National Football League. For

838
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they got a secret saucet there. I don't

839
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: really understand it, but yeah, it's something in the water there. Look,

840
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: I think what you're talking about is you're talking about

841
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: a junkyard dog on the inside, and what you need

842
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: is someone that can stack and control the point, which

843
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: is able to do someone who can make plays in

844
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: that type box area. He's certainly of interest. And when

845
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: you're talking about in day three. What you're looking for

846
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: is what are one or two redeeming qualities that they

847
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: present that will enable them to be successful in the league.

848
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: And so look, man, he's tough, he's physical, he has

849
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: some quickness and some hand strength like that's enough to

850
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: be there. And then if you put him in the rotation,

851
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: and depending upon how DQ wants to utilize this scheme,

852
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to be successful. Dave,

853
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: if you gotten to watch any and McNeil yet not extensively,

854
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: but again, I mean again and what so yeah, not

855
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: a not a day three prospect, which I just yeah,

856
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm all in favor. You know, Dane Brugler has said

857
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: it the whole time. I've done this as straits. That's

858
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Speaker 1: what you're looking at when you get in the back,

859
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Speaker 1: and I'm at least encouraged. What you know, we don't

860
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Speaker 1: know the compics as of yet, but the Cowboys are

861
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: probably going to have as many as ten draft picks,

862
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: and people, I mean people get all excited, and rightfully, so,

863
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: you get all excited that you can use those to

864
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: move around if you want to. You can also just

865
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Speaker 1: the dark. If you've got that many picks, because the

867
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: vast majority of them are gonna be on day three.

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00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, if they have ten, then that means they

869
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: would probably pick six times on Day three. And with

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00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: that in mind, take your pick of the space eater

871
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: that you feel the best about starting in the fourth round,

872
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: and get up. I like it. How about it? Like

873
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Speaker 1: a Bobby Brown out of Texas A and m or

874
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Speaker 1: to Daryl Slayton out of Florida. There's a couple of

875
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: guys there that you could potentially have. I think there's

876
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: a couple of names there that the Ffic Cowboys could

877
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: look at. Hey, maybe a senior Bowl guy, maybe like

878
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: a Cabra Sample out of Tulane the really won, But

879
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a solid player and could be right

880
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of that mix. But there's definitely a

881
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: chance at defensive tackle. And I think it would lie

882
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: right around that third round, or not third round, but

883
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: past the third round into Day three, potentially four of

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00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Let's go ahead and take our second break.

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887
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Speaker 1: wide receivers. I even want to get Bucky's opinion on

888
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889
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,200
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Speaker 1: Got j C mister Jeff Kavanaugh, Gregory Rousseau Hayter, which

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932
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: because I want to get Bucky Brooks's opinion on that.

933
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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios, and we did get to talk

937
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Speaker 1: a little bit about the defensive line and defensive tackle.

938
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: But before we go into wide receivers and running backs

939
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Speaker 1: for us, put second here, Bucky, I want to get

940
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: your opinion on Gregory Rousseau edge rusher out of Miami.

941
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: We've heard extensively on this program that Jeff Gavanall does

942
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: not like him, and at some point I'm gonna get

943
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: you guys on the same show and we're gonna have

944
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: a battle of words about Gregory Rousseau, because I know

945
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: you're pretty high on the guy. Well, I just think

946
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: when you look at the trace and you look at

947
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: what traditional plays in the league, like, he checks off

948
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: a lot of boxes his production, it sees those that

949
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: are in the same category with them. Where you look

950
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: at Quitti, pay Ojalari, all those guys, they don't have

951
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: the level of reduction that Gregor Rousseau had in one

952
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: year at Miami. And so when I look at Rousseau,

953
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: he's long, he does a really good job of using

954
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: his hands. He is not the most explosive in terms

955
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: of first step quickness, but he finishes and as you

956
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: watch him progress over that season that he played, he

957
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: got better and better and better. And then when you

958
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: talk to him, he is a guy who can articulate

959
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: a pass fresh plan and he is someone who has

960
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: picked up some tips along the way. He and so

961
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to see him, so we

962
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: have no idea what he would have looked like. But

963
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: based on the flashes, I think the flashes to lead

964
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: you to believe that he can be a player. They

965
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: grows into being, if not a dominant player, but a

966
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: very disruptive presence off the ends. I'm terrified of what

967
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: do you think about I'm terrified of both of the Miamians. Honestly,

968
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm terrified of Rousseau and Jalen Phillips. Jalen Phillip just

969
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't see it with him in terms

970
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: of like having the explosiveness and the power, at least

971
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: not right now. And then Rousseau, I'll like, I feel

972
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: hypocritical saying this because I'm like, yeah, like you see

973
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: flashes and he's got he's got the measurables, and he's

974
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: got this, and he's got that, But like he took

975
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the year off. It kind of reminds me of like

976
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: the art. You know when whenever you see a Shack

977
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: barrit or DeMarcus Lawrence do this in the NFL, You're like,

978
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: is this worth a multi year contract or do we

979
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: need to tag him and see it again? Like I

980
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: would love to have seen another year of this to

981
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: prove that Gregory Russo can actually do this. And then

982
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: at the same time, my guy Caleb Farley, I'm just like, oh, yeah,

983
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: he's fine, he can do it. Like I've watched enough

984
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: of him yet yeah, Caleb Farley's fine. Like, I don't

985
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: know why I feel fine about one guy and not

986
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: fine about the other, But I just didn't see the

987
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: consistency that I would have preferred to from Rousseau. That

988
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I would want to draft him

989
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Okay, so then let's talk about

990
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the other past rush she's done in the class, like

991
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay, Like, why are we excited about Quitty Pay

992
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: when Quitty Pay doesn't get the quarterback? You're excited about

993
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: him either or whatever that's worth? Right, Okay, So then right,

994
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: so then why would we be excited about Ojilari when

995
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Ojilari is a one trick pony. He does the same

996
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: move all the time, and he also doesn't have a

997
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of production. The one thing that translates in

998
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Guys who sacked the quarterback in college,

999
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: they sacked the quarterback in the pros. Like guys they

1000
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: get guys to the ground. And I think sometimes when

1001
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: we're studying pas ro shoes, we confuse activity for achievement,

1002
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: meaning guys comes off. We see all the moves, we

1003
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: see him flash, they do all this, but we never

1004
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: see him take anybody down. And I think we just

1005
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: have to be careful of falling in love with those

1006
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: guys because those guys that are active and fast or whatever,

1007
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: but if they don't have a sustained history of getting

1008
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback down, they're not gonna get him down in

1009
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: the pros like it typically doesn't change now. It's funny,

1010
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: uh the yeah, And we talk about all the time,

1011
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: like the weight that these postseason games can play, because

1012
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, Ojilari just goes and wallops Cincinnati in the

1013
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Sugar Bowl or a backup against a backup. Well, so

1014
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, oh my god, I gotta I

1015
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: think he was, like he was the first player I watched,

1016
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: like after the conclusion of the season because of that game,

1017
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I gotta watch more

1018
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: of this guy. I watched him play Florida. I watched

1019
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: him play three or four SEC games, and I was like, oh,

1020
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm not I'm not high this

1021
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: guy anymore. And then but then at the same time,

1022
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore just kicks everybody's ass in the playoff and

1023
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: you go back and watch him and I'm like, oh, oh, yeah,

1024
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: I like this guy. A lot. So again, it's one

1025
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: thing that it's one thing to kick ass in one game,

1026
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: but if you go watch a handful of games and

1027
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: you don't see it the same way, that that wig

1028
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: is heavily for me for sure. Yeah, here's the thing

1029
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: about Jalen Phillips that I would tell you to look at.

1030
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: So Jalen Phillips doesn't have like the pop that we

1031
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: look at. Like, so when we talk about pop, we

1032
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: talk about FIRSTEP quickness, burst, can you turn speed into power?

1033
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: But if you look at him, watch how he utilizes

1034
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: his hands and how he sequences his moves, like his ability,

1035
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: his ability to attack one and then to immediately get

1036
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: a feeling go to a countermove like that's kind of

1037
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: like next level stuff. I won't put these guys in

1038
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: the same thing, but if you go back, like I

1039
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: would say, go back and look at the bosses and

1040
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: how they got their sack production versus Chase Young. When

1041
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: you see them, they're more technical and refine. They are

1042
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of like missing me Yaggi in terms of wax

1043
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: on wax off to get by as opposed to a

1044
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm a superhero, I jump tall buildings in a single

1045
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: bound and I just run past you. Those guys that

1046
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: have great hand skills, they kind of sneak up on you,

1047
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: and you look up at the end of the year, like, man,

1048
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: how does this guy have like nine or ten sacks?

1049
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: How does this guy? Now, they may not be the

1050
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: number one pass rusher, but they may be the compliment

1051
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: on the back side. And so when we think about

1052
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: like for the Cowboys in particular, d Laws, the number

1053
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: one Randy Gregory would be the number two or whoever's

1054
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: on the back side is the number two guy. So

1055
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: what you need from that number two guy is to

1056
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: be able to consistently just get garbage sacks. I need

1057
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: you too. When d Law forces the quarterback to run

1058
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: out the other side, I need you to be there

1059
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: to collect them. I don't necessarily need you to be

1060
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: able to win on your own all the time, but

1061
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: if you can win a handful of times, because d

1062
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Laws the guy that's gonna get us to double digits, collectively,

1063
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: we can put together a great pass rush because we

1064
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: have a one A and then we have a guy

1065
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: that is a solid number two on the backside. So

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00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: it depends on what you need. I think when you

1067
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: look at edge Rusher, especially in this draft. I mean

1068
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: there's multiple guys that, like we said earlier, you may

1069
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: knock a little bit just for not being able to

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: play this year. And you could even say that about

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00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: other positions as well. Dave, you mentioned Caleb Farley you're

1072
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: fine with. I'm sure that's probably the same at wide

1073
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: receiver with Jamar Chase. Nobody's really worried about Jamar Chase

1074
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: after taking a year off. But why is it like

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00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: guys like a Gregory Rousseau, like a Micah Parsons are

1076
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: noted for having that year off and not having that

1077
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: extra year of time because we're scared about it in

1078
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: certain scenarios. And I'm sure front offices feel the same way,

1079
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: but we're not scared about it and I and it's

1080
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to articulate at the same time,

1081
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Like I probably feel better about Caleb Farley because I

1082
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: didn't see him play, you know, like people are people.

1083
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: People are looking for excuses to ding Patrick's hand because

1084
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: he gets he gets grabby. Sometimes he's given up. You know,

1085
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: he played fifteen games against the top competition in the country.

1086
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, he played the SEC. Then he played you know,

1087
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: he played two playoff games against the best teams in

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: the country and so and he had a good season,

1089
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: Like his tape is, it's good, but if you watch

1090
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: enough of it, you're like, oh, he kind of got

1091
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: victimized here, you like, going back to last year, Jamar Chase,

1092
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: everybody on LSU beat up on Alabama Secondary last year.

1093
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the more information you have, the

1094
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: easier it is to come up with excuses. Whereas Caleb Farley,

1095
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, yeah, he looked dominant for most of the

1096
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: the last year. I feel fine about him. It's funny

1097
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: that you say there, right, because I kind of feel

1098
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: like some of this has taken place, and I know

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00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: we want to talk about quarterbacks, but I feel like

1100
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: that conversation with Justin Fields and Zach Wilson and Trey

1101
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Lance and all that, Like sometimes when we see guys

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00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: play on a bigger stage, longer a tendency the poke

1103
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: holes in their game as opposed to the Johnny cumb Lady,

1104
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: the guy that we didn't know. And I'm gonna jame

1105
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: Joe Burr. I'm gonna blame Joe Burrow for a lot

1106
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: of this, right because because we were we had such

1107
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: different views on Joe Burrow from his junior season to

1108
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: his senior season that we're scared and that that leaves scars.

1109
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: And so now what you do is what you overcorrect.

1110
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: So now you're like, no, no, no no, no, I know

1111
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: it's one year production, but I know he can do it.

1112
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: He can do it over and over again. And so

1113
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: in taking it back to what you're talking about with

1114
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley and Patrick Curtain, but we've seen Patrick Curtan more,

1115
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: we have more tape on him. So of course, the

1116
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: more games you played, the more succeptible you are to

1117
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: being victimized. Whereas Caleb Farley has kind of been in

1118
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: the bubbles, safe and protected and we still don't know.

1119
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things. I have a rule

1120
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: like at some point you gotta put the pin down

1121
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to evaluate it, like because study study long,

1122
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: study wrong. The more you study, you can over analyze

1123
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: and you can just talk yourself into sease scenario. So

1124
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: at some point you have to set a deadline. Look,

1125
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: this is my great this is what I believe in it,

1126
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: and I'm rolling. I'm not I'm not going to change

1127
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: because there are no new games that are gonna hit

1128
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: the Film Center. I like it, And I mean you

1129
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: could say that about any of the positions. You can

1130
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: say that defensively, offensively. The whole draft is like that.

1131
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: And that's what I think is fun about the draft,

1132
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: first off, And it's even more fun this year. Hey,

1133
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: let's throw all the ring. I don't think it's fun

1134
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: at all. I'm frustrated its own because normally, normally by

1135
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: late by the time we get back that's I'm pissed

1136
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: that I'm not an indie right now, because normally, by

1137
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: the time we get back from Indie, I get like,

1138
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch these guys, like just as as

1139
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: a as a draft fan, it's fun to watch this.

1140
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: But ultimately, the goal is to figure out who the

1141
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: Cowboys picks are gonna be. At least that's my goal,

1142
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: and it's I don't have as good of an idea

1143
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: as I normally would, and it upsets me none, no,

1144
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: And it's crazy even getting back to this point. And

1145
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: I didn't mention this earlier when we were talking about

1146
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: the combine, but the combine was really kind of the

1147
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: last couple moments last year before the whole process was

1148
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: flipped on its head and the whole world changed, and

1149
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: we haven't necessarily recovered from that and gotten back to

1150
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: normal yet. Of course, I mean everybody knows that, but

1151
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: it was right up until that point, and then right

1152
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: after the combine it seemed like everything shut down. So

1153
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: it's just crazy to me that we're already back at

1154
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: this point and we're having to deal with some of

1155
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: the stuff that we had to deal with throughout twenty twenty.

1156
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: Now we've got about one hundred and fifty seconds worth

1157
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: of running back talk. Go Bucky, who's your favorite running

1158
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: back prospect? Because we haven't talked tailbacks at all, And

1159
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I know there's a couple of North Carolina tatar heels

1160
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: up in the mix as some of my favorite running backs.

1161
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: But I watched a little bit of tailback this week

1162
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: and just kind of got my feet wet with it.

1163
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: But I know you've had to look at it pretty

1164
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: in depth. Now. I think a conversation between Niger Harris

1165
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: and Travis Etienne is going to be interesting. One. I

1166
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: know people have long assumed that Travis NTM was going

1167
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: to be the number one, but when I look at

1168
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: nt N, I see more of a one cut runner,

1169
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: a guy who is look he's explosive. His zero to

1170
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: sixty is everything that you look for at the running

1171
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: back position. I don't think he's necessarily a natural pass catcher.

1172
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: When I watch him stylistically, he reminds me a little

1173
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: bit of Jamal Charles. He can get down, but I

1174
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: think he's not necessarily a creative runner in terms of

1175
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: being able. If it's not blocked, he's gonna get skipped

1176
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: and scooted and do all those other things. And Naja Harris,

1177
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: Naja Harris is a I mean a big body running

1178
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: back who has little guys skills. He can catch it

1179
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: out the backfield, he can run legitimate routes. He has

1180
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: a smoothness to his game that is surprising because he

1181
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: also has some pop and some other stuff. But I

1182
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: think the thing that is on the streets that's coming

1183
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: out there are a lot of people that have a

1184
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: lot of love for Jamata Williams coming out of North Carolina.

1185
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: He has explosive, he has big time juice. He catched

1186
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: the ball out the backfield. He can drop his shoulder

1187
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: though things. I wouldn't be surprised if look me. He

1188
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: may be the first guy to hear his name call.

1189
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: And I think Desk wont to surprise a lot of people,

1190
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: but I think in scouting circles there's some people that

1191
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of love for him and what he brings.

1192
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: This is where I differ from everybody else, and I

1193
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: won't apologize for it. Again. I'm looking for Cowboy draft picks.

1194
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: So how much time have I spent on running back?

1195
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: Almost none? None, almost none? Because zero zero, I mean

1196
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: a little more than zero, but not a whole lot

1197
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: more zero. I mean Zeke's here. I don't think Zeke's

1198
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Tony's here for the foreseeable future. And you

1199
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: even had Rico down Woll show some stuff as an

1200
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent last year. I would be very surprised

1201
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys spent big time resources. I don't need

1202
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: to talk about Nagie Harris. I mean, actually, Bucky's conversation

1203
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: just reminded me. I know it's dangerous to compare guys

1204
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: just because they went to the same school. It's hard

1205
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: for me to like, it's not hard for me to

1206
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: imagine and that Nashie Harris if he doesn't go, if

1207
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: he's not the first running back, well neither was Derrick

1208
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: Henry and we all see how that's playing out. Um,

1209
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: a guy that I love a lot. Just you know,

1210
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm a big SEC guy. I've watched a lot of

1211
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: SEC football. Kylin Hill Awesome club. Ya. Um, you know

1212
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: he's not a home run guy. But he's shifty, he's

1213
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: a bowling ball, he's powerful, he's got underrated receiving ability. Um,

1214
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: if you told me I could get him, if you

1215
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: told me I could get him in the third round,

1216
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't love that for the Cowboys again,

1217
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: because I don't think they need it. But I think

1218
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: he's a hell of an underrated player. But again, I mean,

1219
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Cuba Hubbard's a guy that I've loved watching his entire

1220
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: college career. He is a home like that guy. Maybe,

1221
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, go ahead, Oh, I mean it's it's obviously

1222
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bummer because it would it would

1223
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: be it would be fun to talk about this if

1224
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I thought there was a legitimate possibility that Cowboys would

1225
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: draft one. But even if they do, I just I

1226
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: don't think it would like third round at the absolute earliest,

1227
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: but probably more like a day three insurance policy. I've

1228
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: got guys like Tray Sermon and Puca Williams and I'm

1229
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: not completely done with my running back rankings at the moment,

1230
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: but they're sixteen and seventeen in a running back position,

1231
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: and I think both of those guys are ballers, and

1232
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: so I mean, you look all the way down the list.

1233
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: You can pick up an undrafted free agent again at

1234
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: the running back position, and he's probably gonna find a

1235
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: way to make the roster, like we saw Rico doubt

1236
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 1: will do last year out of South Carolina. So there's

1237
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: a potential for that, and there's a potential for anything

1238
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: in this draft. That's kind of the theme of today

1239
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: is there's potential for madness whenever it comes to the

1240
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft. I want to thank Chris Beam

1241
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: in the back as always running things from the s

1242
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios, for David Hellman, for Bucky Brooks and

1243
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Yellman's catch us again next Tuesday, ten am Central time,

1244
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: and then this Thursday at ten am Central. But until then,

1245
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,959
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time I'll here on the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.