Speaker 1: The numbers told the story they always done. It's one
Speaker 1: of those idiots who believe in the analytics.
Speaker 2: This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander, gone Vison.
Speaker 1: Good Monday morning to you.
Speaker 2: It is the numbers game at Visa, the sports betting network,
Speaker 2: Visa dot Com, the Visa app game plus iHeartRadio, YouTube TV,
Speaker 2: and of course the DraftKings Network. It's Gill Alexander, It's
Speaker 2: Kelly Midlin, producer number nine, so much more than a
Speaker 2: producer guessing lines. Week ten in the National Football League,
Speaker 2: and of course in the process I look back at
Speaker 2: all things week number nine.
Speaker 1: How you doing man? Good? I'm doing great. How are you?
Speaker 2: Good week? Good week in the NFL. Another good contest week.
Speaker 2: If only I hadn't had that and five, then I'd
Speaker 2: be doing something that's yea got overcome?
Speaker 1: Yeah you what was that week five? That it was
Speaker 1: week five because it was the first week of that
Speaker 1: of that second quarter, you went over five. I went
Speaker 1: one at four. Yeah, I gotta buried us. I went
Speaker 1: two and three yesterday four and one for me.
Speaker 2: We're we're both now at tick below sixty percent, so
Speaker 2: we're not allowed to talk about our entries. We're talking
Speaker 2: under sixty percent. But this show, the guessing lines process
Speaker 2: has been money. It has been really good week after week.
Speaker 2: Now where what halfway through the NFL season in terms
Speaker 2: of the number of weeks nine in the books, nine
Speaker 2: to go? So could things turn for the worse? Oh,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of time for that, so we want to
Speaker 2: remain humble about it all. But it has been a
Speaker 2: great profitable exercise thus far. And for those who are
Speaker 2: just new to it, I'm in a cocoon. I don't
Speaker 2: know the lines for the upcoming week in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I guess a line. Kelly then informs us what the
Speaker 2: actual line is, and in that exercise we try to
Speaker 2: extract value from all of this, and so far, so
Speaker 2: good this year. First, a Survivor update before we get
Speaker 2: into week number ten and all the shenanigans of week
Speaker 2: number nine, and there were some shenanigans. Sixty three entries
Speaker 2: eliminated this week in Circus Survivor Kelly sixty three, so
Speaker 2: eleven hundred and thirty eight remain. Eleven hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: eight remain in Circa Survivor. By the way, four of
Speaker 2: those were no picks. Still four non submissions in circa
Speaker 2: survivor into November. Boy, I hope the people responsible for
Speaker 2: those entries are okay. I hope everything's okay with them,
Speaker 2: because otherwise you can't imagine why those why that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: For that, I know, Yeah, I think you've said that first,
Speaker 1: like last year or something.
Speaker 2: I was that we don't know. I was like, you're right,
Speaker 2: I have no idea we kill these people. We have
Speaker 2: no idea what's happening in their lives. But eleven hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty eight remain out of the original nine thy
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty seven. You know what that means?
Speaker 2: Eight the intrinsic value, the intrinsic value of each remaining
Speaker 2: entry eight thousand, one hundred and forty three dollars and
Speaker 2: twenty three cents. Now again, eleven hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 2: entries left means this thing hasn't even started yet. In essence,
Speaker 2: last year, at this time, one hundred and fifteen out
Speaker 2: of six and one hundred and thirty three were left.
Speaker 2: That was carnage last year. In the first seven weeks,
Speaker 2: it was one twenty five. After seven weeks, one fifteen
Speaker 2: left last week, but one one hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 2: entries left pending tonight's game, where I don't believe there's
Speaker 2: a pick in tonight's game. Yeah, there are Chargers, have
Speaker 2: ten on the Chargers tonight, so perhaps more eliminated tonight.
Speaker 1: But this is a uh, this is a.
Speaker 2: Slow grind and survivor for those still alive. Sadly, Kelly,
Speaker 2: you and I are not. And well, had that Washington
Speaker 2: Chicago game gone differently, I'd still be alive. And I'm
Speaker 2: really rooting for a second loss, so I can just say, oh,
Speaker 2: i'd been out of it anyway. But everything, All the
Speaker 2: big ones got home. The Falcons were the biggest killer
Speaker 2: for teams for entries, folks who had entries yesterday, only
Speaker 2: thirty nine on the Falcons though, the big ones obviously
Speaker 2: the Browns and the Saints, which both got home.
Speaker 1: Next one up? What Patriots with four? When I forgot
Speaker 1: to cross that one off? They did lose?
Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven hundred and thirty nine left, thirty eight left.
Speaker 2: Pardon me, eleven hundred and thirty eight. Good luck to
Speaker 2: those remaining. Shall we begin with Thursday night football?
Speaker 1: And will uh? Let's do it. Let's wait for the marquee.
Speaker 1: Let's wait let's wait for the beautiful. The beautiful for
Speaker 1: guessing lines. Everybody get.
Speaker 2: You'd think after all these years, I remember that there
Speaker 2: was a guessing lines intro.
Speaker 1: Hey, we found a couple we liked last week. I
Speaker 1: wish it was the only thing I bet this past week.
Speaker 1: It added bet the Bengals. The Bengals is what we
Speaker 1: like the best. Last We loved that last week. That
Speaker 1: was great. Worked love the Lions a week before that
Speaker 1: was really nice. All right, Thursday night, get ready? Panthers
Speaker 1: at the Bears. This is Thursday night football games. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is the worst primetime trio of games
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2: If you had to come up with a matchup for
Speaker 2: Thursday night football, could you come.
Speaker 1: Up with one worse than this? This is? This is horribing,
Speaker 1: great question, Carol.
Speaker 2: The one in seven Panthers at the two and seven Bears.
Speaker 2: The Panthers yesterday, we'll pick it up. They were down
Speaker 2: three to nothing to Indianapols. Second quarter, Colts went sixty
Speaker 2: four yards Minshew to tailor from ten. I was ten
Speaker 2: to nothing Colts then at thirteen to three in favor
Speaker 2: of the Colts. Carolina is matriculating first and ten at
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis forty nine, and Bryce Young telegraphs a pass
Speaker 2: picked by Kenny Moore of the second forty nine yards
Speaker 2: of the house, pick six, twenty to three. The Colts
Speaker 2: would lead it at the half. By the way, that
Speaker 2: was one of those pick sixes where the second it left,
Speaker 2: the millisecond that it left Bryce Young's hand, you as
Speaker 2: a viewer, were like, oh.
Speaker 1: No, of course, to the house it goes.
Speaker 2: Third quarter after Indianapol's punk, Carolina does go eighty two yards,
Speaker 2: including converting a fourth and one at the Indianapoles twenty
Speaker 2: one with six oh six left in the third, Bryce
Speaker 2: to Tremble for eleven. Three plays later, Bryce to Chark
Speaker 2: from five out touchdown twenty to ten in favor of
Speaker 2: the Colts. But even that drive took forever to get downfield.
Speaker 2: You had no confidence in the Carolina offense. But then
Speaker 2: Indianapolis punted again. The Colts punted again, so you're like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: Caroline is down ten, could this be a Carolina two
Speaker 2: and a half point dogs? In that game, they get
Speaker 2: a third and eleven from Bryce to Hurst Hayden Hurst
Speaker 2: for forty eight, and you're like, wow, they got out
Speaker 2: of a gym. They got out of jail. There they're
Speaker 2: like pass midfield. But two plays later, Bryce Way overthrows
Speaker 2: his intended receiver and guess who's on the other end
Speaker 2: of that pass. Kenny Moore the second, this time sixty
Speaker 2: six yards to the house, his second pick six of
Speaker 2: the game, twenty seven to ten Indianapolis just a minute
Speaker 2: and twenty seconds into the fourth quarter. Colts would win
Speaker 2: it twenty seven to thirteen, but not till Bryce threw
Speaker 2: another pick, and that one wasn't pretty either. Bryce twenty
Speaker 2: four of thirty nine for one seventy three, one touchdown,
Speaker 2: three picks, sacked four times, five carries for forty one
Speaker 2: They outgained Indianapolis. Carolina did two seventy five to one
Speaker 2: ninety eight, but ten Ben at least for eighty one
Speaker 2: yards and minus two and turnovers that led directly to
Speaker 2: plus fourteen Indianapolis points. And I mean directly on the
Speaker 2: two pick six. Is that's your margin of victory period
Speaker 2: twenty seven to thirteen Colts and Bryce Young has I
Speaker 2: hate to say it because I love the kid, but
Speaker 2: everything that we say at the NFL draft, how are
Speaker 2: they not drafting, how are the Panthers not drafting CJ's drought.
Speaker 2: How are they drafting Bryce Young? We lost all our
Speaker 2: bets because of it. But it's kind of manifesting here
Speaker 2: in the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, it is what it is. But kind
Speaker 1: of like you said, man, if you're a Panthers fan,
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the next
Speaker 1: couple of years might be kind of rough. Watch what
Speaker 1: you got versus what's going on in Houston.
Speaker 2: Panthers off that loss at Chicago. Chicago loses to the
Speaker 2: Saints yesterday, much of the happiness of many a survivor
Speaker 2: player who had the Saints Chicago opening drive forth and
Speaker 2: what the New Orleans thirty seven secret beagent man for
Speaker 2: five three plays later bajing to Comet, great catch from
Speaker 2: Coole Comet from eighteen to out seven to nothing Bears
Speaker 2: after New Orleans punts second and fifteen at their own
Speaker 2: forty one for Chicago beagent pick by Paulsen at Dabo
Speaker 2: that led to a short forty five yard field for
Speaker 2: the Saints, car to a love on third and goal
Speaker 2: from the eight. Was seven to seven with forty four
Speaker 2: seconds left. The first Bears came right back seventy five
Speaker 2: yards bajing to Comet again for nine fourteen to seven Bears,
Speaker 2: then twelve to fifty two left in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: but then New Orleans came right back seventy five yards
Speaker 2: car to Taysom Hill from two out, tie ball game
Speaker 2: again fourteen apiece, a fourteen apiece rather six ozh five
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter. Cairo Santos then joinked a
Speaker 2: forty yard field goal in the ensuing drive. Fourteen fourteen
Speaker 2: would be the halftime score after Groupe had a fifty
Speaker 2: five yard field goal that was set up by a
Speaker 2: DJ More fumble. Then Chicago answered with the Santos thirty
Speaker 2: one yard It was seventeen to seventeen at that point,
Speaker 2: tied a gam team's traded punts. Then New Orleans went
Speaker 2: fifty three yards held to Juwan Johnson for three out,
Speaker 2: twenty four to seventeen New Orleans. Now from this point forward, Kelly,
Speaker 2: the game was just a seven point margin where Chicago
Speaker 2: just kept getting rebuffed in this ballgame. Beigent picked on
Speaker 2: the Bears second play on the ensuing drive, Marcus May
Speaker 2: on the other end of that, but the Chicago de
Speaker 2: held when they stopped car short on a fourth and
Speaker 2: one at the Chicago's seventeen, then still down seven thirty
Speaker 2: nine at They're on twenty nine for Chicago beajent picked
Speaker 2: by Paul's on to devo again five oh eight to go,
Speaker 2: but New Orleans can't do anything with it. Chicago held
Speaker 2: to a three and out. New Orleans gets it back
Speaker 2: with two forty five to go, but that resulted in
Speaker 2: a group a missed forty seven yard field goal. In fact,
Speaker 2: he joinked that one.
Speaker 1: No good.
Speaker 2: Bear's got the ball back down seven again with two
Speaker 2: twenty six to go. Second play of that drive, those
Speaker 2: second and twenty at their own twenty seven two sixty
Speaker 2: to go beaij and sacked by Tomrio Davis fumbled. Pete
Speaker 2: Warner recovered ball game twenty four to seventeen. New Orleans
Speaker 2: beije in eighteen of thirty for two twenty two touchdown
Speaker 2: three picks. He was sacked twice eight four to seventy.
Speaker 2: On the ground with one fumble loss, they outgained Chicago
Speaker 2: did New Orleans three sixty eight to three oh one,
Speaker 2: but minus five in turnovers led to plus ten New
Speaker 2: Orleans points, but the last three in the fourth quarter
Speaker 2: stymied any chances. We just mentioned of Chicago having to
Speaker 2: come back from that twenty four to seventeen one score deficit.
Speaker 2: By the way, we have this tweet from Fabian Summer
Speaker 2: over at at Worse. Fabian Summer he's at action. No,
Speaker 2: Fabian Summer is at is with Rob Bizola at the Hammer.
Speaker 2: Pardon me, Fabian Summer's over at the Hammer. He said
Speaker 2: the Saints had a five to nothing turnover advantage and
Speaker 2: didn't cover. Teams with a plus five turnover margin were
Speaker 2: two two hundred and twenty seven, twelve and one against
Speaker 2: the spread since nineteen eighty nine, nineteen eighty nine as
Speaker 2: wild sorry doing public enemy okay, and the Saints get
Speaker 2: the plus five turnover advantage, still can't cover, but the
Speaker 2: Bears don't get the win. So this is Carolina at Chicago.
Speaker 2: We probably made more of this than I should have.
Speaker 2: The one in seven Panthers at the two and seven Bears.
Speaker 2: I couldn't decide between the Bears minus four the Bears
Speaker 2: mine is three and a half. I ended up with
Speaker 2: the Bears mines three and a half, ning right on
Speaker 2: three and a half. Three and a half on the Bears, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: up from three earlier. I think that's where it opened
Speaker 2: most places. But it is three and a half now
Speaker 2: at DraftKings. It came my way, wasn't wasn't that initially?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It was bears three earlier.
Speaker 1: That's why I punched these in the earlier this morning,
Speaker 1: about four hours ago. And then yeah, we're three and
Speaker 1: a half pretty much everywhere in the market right now.
Speaker 2: Not much to say about these two teams other than
Speaker 2: Arizona's probably still worse with Clayton tune than the both
Speaker 2: of these teams are, so I think again, Eric Eager's
Speaker 2: greatest call is Arizona will will end up with a
Speaker 2: number one pick. We'll get to them if they're going
Speaker 2: with Kyler Murray or with Clayton toontor what's happening there.
Speaker 2: But these two teams going nowhere fast, Silk can't get
Speaker 2: in the win column. But I will say the Tyson
Speaker 2: Beason experience has been better than most would have expected.
Speaker 1: D two quarterback for sure. I mean, you know, going
Speaker 1: back to that tweet roll quickly that was I was
Speaker 1: sitting there the whole game. I had the same sign
Speaker 1: into a teaser and didn't know. But like sitting there,
Speaker 1: you're like how many times you're gonna turn the ball
Speaker 1: over and still be live in this game? And he
Speaker 1: set them up for a little bit of success at
Speaker 1: least early on.
Speaker 2: We'll come back, we'll continue with Week ten games. We'll
Speaker 2: get to the Sunday slate and we'll talk Kansas City Miami,
Speaker 2: which I know they're both on buys this week, but
Speaker 2: we've got to touch on that game yesterday from Frankfurt.
Speaker 2: It's a numbers game at vis in these Sports Betting
Speaker 2: Network guessing lines for Week ten Skill Alexander, we get
Speaker 2: tweets at Beating the Book. Always appreciate the feedback, James
Speaker 2: O'Connor Gill, you're seeing the ball well.
Speaker 1: Lately.
Speaker 2: Megapod has been on a epic run with all of
Speaker 2: our picks, so check it out again the Beating the
Speaker 2: Book Megapod. For all those on the Beating the Book feed,
Speaker 2: thank you, sir, appreciate it. Hope it last, Ray Pierce,
Speaker 2: I have a three tea money line parlay Ravens, Bengals
Speaker 2: and Chargers. I'm pretty sure you guarantee, you guaranteed that
Speaker 2: nothing could go wrong. It's right, that's exactly what I guarantee.
Speaker 2: Do you have any play on tonight's game, Charges and Jets.
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I'd be I'd be leaning Chargers, which
Speaker 1: I feel like is in the minority. I feel like
Speaker 1: I know, I know multiple people that bets on the
Speaker 1: Jets tonight, but I can't get there.
Speaker 2: Grayson Rossy, pointing out to us that Pete Futech are
Speaker 2: our lovely college football friend, hates doesn't understaid he doesn't
Speaker 2: understand the logic of down eight going for two. So
Speaker 2: you know, quote exactly what you need, Pete says, if
Speaker 2: you kick the extra point, you know exactly what you need.
Speaker 2: We'll have to have a discussion with Pete about that
Speaker 2: later in the week. Man. Jesse, well, that.
Speaker 1: Was I mean, it wasn't last night the perfect example
Speaker 1: of like you saw it play out where they get
Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, so like now you know that they
Speaker 1: have a better chance of winning.
Speaker 2: After that second half, wagers came down to that two
Speaker 2: point co version by I talked to Sean McDermott, Yah,
Speaker 2: because I was Cincinnati plus six. Jesse Welch just want
Speaker 2: to congratulate us all who had made Stroud the number
Speaker 2: one overall pick the Texans and Panthers season thus far
Speaker 2: or payment enough for.
Speaker 1: My bets that should have cashed. I wish it worked
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Let's see, this is just to follow Visa says. I'm
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent on what happened because of a
Speaker 2: stupid adult responsibilities taking my attention, but my Texans minus
Speaker 2: two and a half would have benefited from them signing
Speaker 2: Matt Brown mid drive right worked out for.
Speaker 1: A minute way. It was actually surprised we didn't get
Speaker 1: ten ten times more tweets about that yesterday? Will we
Speaker 1: get a bunch of that? The better life tim loss?
Speaker 2: And I'll say it again, I'm growing tired of commentators
Speaker 2: mentioning analytics in a way that sounds like they're apologizing
Speaker 2: to the viewer for the decision that's being made in
Speaker 2: the game. Oh, I one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 2: I We'll do one more here. It's not juice if
Speaker 2: you win. Why can't you talk about your circu picks
Speaker 2: after the fact? Oh?
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Also, can you explain how to calculate the value of
Speaker 2: your survivor pool so I can figure it out for
Speaker 2: my own pool?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Always love the show boys.
Speaker 2: I think he's talking about the intrinsic value, just the
Speaker 2: total money in the pool divided by the number of
Speaker 2: entries remaining. That's all I'm talking about there. And then
Speaker 2: in terms of what I had yesterday, I lost on
Speaker 2: the Panthers. I couldn't come up with a fifth pick.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I don't know, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hope the Panthers are as good as some folks
Speaker 2: say they are.
Speaker 1: Because it's tough to get to five. I can't do
Speaker 1: I can't do it this past weekend. It's tough to
Speaker 1: get to it. It's when the list started. Yeah, gil
Speaker 1: of teams that teams that I can't I can't handle anymore,
Speaker 1: either betting on, betting against or just having it a
Speaker 1: bet altogether. Panthers are on that list. It was dumb.
Speaker 1: I tried to get cute with them a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: worked out one time, NOLP see you later.
Speaker 2: Before that, I had correct as. If you listen to
Speaker 2: Guessing Lines, you knew that I liked Cincinnati who got
Speaker 2: it done against Buffalo last night. I liked Washington. If
Speaker 2: you listened to the show last week, you heard me
Speaker 2: talk about how I don't think the line should have
Speaker 2: moved when Washington got rid of both Montes Sweat and
Speaker 2: Chase Young.
Speaker 1: I liked the.
Speaker 2: Eagles, which was super duper fortunate. By the way, I
Speaker 2: completely admitted, but I didn't buy into what like all
Speaker 2: of our guests. All of our guests loved Dallas last week.
Speaker 1: I just didn't.
Speaker 2: I've seen too many Philly Dallas games to have understood
Speaker 2: that conviction. So that got That was fortunate, that got home.
Speaker 2: And the fourth one and I'm drawing a blank now
Speaker 2: on what the fourth one was. Oh, Kansas City against Miami,
Speaker 2: and if you listened to the megapot on that, and
Speaker 2: that was kind of just a default. I've been saying
Speaker 2: Miami's a bully all this time, and I'm like, and
Speaker 2: I needed to come up with enough picks, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'll just take Kansas City until Miami proves me otherwise.
Speaker 2: So that was that was my four or five about
Speaker 2: that Kansas City Miami game.
Speaker 1: Yesterday.
Speaker 2: I realized both teams are on buys this week, so
Speaker 2: this will applied to week ten. But Kansas City does
Speaker 2: get it done. Twenty one to fourteen. It was a
Speaker 2: tale of two halves. In fact, with two thirty one
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter, Kansas City was out gaining
Speaker 2: Miami two one to sixty seven at that point in
Speaker 2: the game, and they were up fourteen to nothing from
Speaker 2: that point six to thirty one. Pardon me left in
Speaker 2: the second quarter to the end of the game, and
Speaker 2: I'll just do the quick math with the final total yards.
Speaker 2: Miami out gained Kansas City two twenty five to sixty six,
Speaker 2: and they end up losing twenty one to fourteen. Miami
Speaker 2: does on a final sequence they're taking the ball downfield.
Speaker 2: That final sequence of four downs from Miami would to
Speaker 2: a like regressed into like a high school quarterback.
Speaker 1: It felt like that.
Speaker 2: On that last sequence, they got the ball all the
Speaker 2: way to the Kansas City thirty one with one to
Speaker 2: seventeen left on two most runs of twenty five and nineteen,
Speaker 2: but then three incomplete passes, one looking worse than the
Speaker 2: previous like where you throwing the ball kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and then on the on fourth down a wayward snap
Speaker 2: and that was the ballgame. So Kansas City does get
Speaker 2: it done. But in order I fully admit this, though
Speaker 2: we say it all the time, the NFL is plinko.
Speaker 2: In order to end up with good in the NFL,
Speaker 2: you got to get the best of these kind of
Speaker 2: toss up games in the end, and so they've worked
Speaker 2: out for me admittedly, But did you learn anything about
Speaker 2: either team? I just want to I'll put one question
Speaker 2: to you, because Dolphins are exactly who they thought they were.
Speaker 1: They're a bully.
Speaker 2: Todd Wishnev said something very interesting about the Chiefs yesterday.
Speaker 2: We're so locked into thinking of them, thinking of them
Speaker 2: as an offensive juggernaut. Has the time come for us
Speaker 2: to think about them as actually a better defensive team
Speaker 2: than offensive team, and that it's really just the power
Speaker 2: of Mahomes on offense.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's a lot of that going on
Speaker 1: this year. I will say, I think that if at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, if we're saying that this
Speaker 1: was a better defense than an offense, though the Kids
Speaker 1: City Chiefs are not winning.
Speaker 2: A Super Bowl, that very well could be true.
Speaker 1: Just overall, I hear what Todd's saying is, yes, it
Speaker 1: is basically only Mahomes on offense right now.
Speaker 2: I think there's some wisdom in that though, right like
Speaker 2: we think we don't really think of them in the
Speaker 2: same way that they are now.
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's. Look, the defense is covering
Speaker 1: up and helping them get it wins, covering up some
Speaker 1: major problems on this offense right now. And I there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, NFL trade deadline. We
Speaker 1: could you know, we could talk about this stuff for days,
Speaker 1: but some of these teams that just feel like there's
Speaker 1: an obvious need and can't go out and get get
Speaker 1: something to help the wide receivers, of course is so
Speaker 1: thin here like they needed something. Let's go to do
Speaker 1: a game on Sunday morning. Let's to Germany.
Speaker 2: Colts at Patriots in Germany once again, Oh Colts, Patriots,
Speaker 2: this ain't your Dolphins Chiefs game, Germans.
Speaker 1: Enjoy this one.
Speaker 2: Four and five Colts two and seven Patriots. You see
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's record without Tom Brady, can we flash that
Speaker 2: up on the screen. He ain't no Joe Jackson Gibbs.
Speaker 2: I don't care what any of y'all say, as witnessed
Speaker 2: by his straight up record without Tom Brady, which we'll
Speaker 2: get too, mom with Charlie. Indianapolis, as we just talked
Speaker 2: about beats, they beat Carolina on strength of those two
Speaker 2: pick six as Minshew was seventeen of twenty six for
Speaker 2: one twenty seven in the victory. Again they were out
Speaker 2: gained by the Panthers two seventy five to one ninety eight.
Speaker 2: But those two pick sixes where everything New England loses
Speaker 2: to Washington outright twenty to seventeen. Opening Pats drive with
Speaker 2: the game. After a Washington three and out to start
Speaker 2: fourth and three at the Washington thirty nine, they went
Speaker 2: for Jones and complete attendant for Taekwon Thornton. Skins eventually
Speaker 2: got a sly thirty seven yard field goal three to
Speaker 2: nothing Washington. Then after New England three and out again
Speaker 2: Washington the Commodore's they went eighty yards Robinson in from
Speaker 2: nine ten to nothing Washington. Could it be a route,
Speaker 2: of course not, It's Washington twelve oh five left in
Speaker 2: the second quarter. Then after a New England three and
Speaker 2: out Washington second and eight at their own sixteen Robinson
Speaker 2: hit by Johnny Tavia, a Jelanni party Jelanni Tavia fumbles,
Speaker 2: de Von Godshaw recovers, sets up in New England at the
Speaker 2: Washington twenty five three plays in Jones to Hunter Henry
Speaker 2: from fourteen out ten to seven Commodoores nine twenty six
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter. Then after a Washington punt,
Speaker 2: New England went eighty four yards and two plays Jones
Speaker 2: a juju for twenty then reminder from sixty four out
Speaker 2: to the house, fourteen to ten New England six o'h
Speaker 2: one left in the second quarter, and then Washington took
Speaker 2: it all the way down field from their own twenties
Speaker 2: to the New England five and Sam Howell with a
Speaker 2: horrific pick in the end zone Kyle Dugger on the
Speaker 2: other end. So New England led this fourteen to ten
Speaker 2: at the half, and Washington led in total yards two
Speaker 2: forty six to one sixty three. Time of possession was
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes and forty two seconds to eight eighteen,
Speaker 2: but because the minus two and turnovers, they trailed fourteen
Speaker 2: to ten opening drive of the second half, third and
Speaker 2: ten at the Washington thirty eight for mac Jones, He's
Speaker 2: sacked by k J.
Speaker 1: Henry.
Speaker 2: He fumbles and the Commodes recover, but no Kelly roughing
Speaker 2: the passers called fifteen yards for playing football fifteen yards
Speaker 2: for tackling, results in a free three points eventually for
Speaker 2: New England. Chad Ryland for forty three was seventeen to
Speaker 2: ten New England with ten fourteen left in the third quarter,
Speaker 2: and if you were a Washington fan at this point,
Speaker 2: or you had the Commodores in a bet you were infuriated.
Speaker 2: This is the worst roughing the passer call I think
Speaker 2: I might have ever seen. Well, it's up there, there's
Speaker 2: been playing. I can't say it's the worst one of
Speaker 2: this week. Skins came right back, said five yards though
Speaker 2: howled to dots in from thirty three out tie ball
Speaker 2: game at seventeen was six fifty one left in the third.
Speaker 2: Then after New England punt followed by sly thirty rfield
Speaker 2: was twenty seventeen Washington one forty nine left in the
Speaker 2: third quarter. That would be your final because the team's
Speaker 2: traded punts. Washington was like fourth and one at their
Speaker 2: own forty. They're like, we'll punt it with eleven twenty
Speaker 2: one to go. Then they traded punts again. New England
Speaker 2: punned once more, and after a three and out, Washington
Speaker 2: got the ball back up three with five oh four
Speaker 2: to go at their own five. Fourth and two at
Speaker 2: their own twenty seven. New England would jump off side
Speaker 2: when Washington was in punt fourntion That extended the drive
Speaker 2: and then New England ended up with the ball down
Speaker 2: three at their own ten with two oh seven left
Speaker 2: and no timeouts, but fourth and fourth the Washington forty
Speaker 2: nine with one oh two to go, Jones intended for
Speaker 2: Juju first it gainst to Juju for six but two
Speaker 2: plays later, by the way, they convert that fourth down
Speaker 2: second and eight at the Washington forty one with thirty
Speaker 2: eight seconds to go, Jones picked by Jartavius Martin off
Speaker 2: the deflection ballgame and Washington holds on Jones was twenty
Speaker 2: four to forty four for two to twenty. They gave
Speaker 2: up four hundred and thirty two total yards to Washington.
Speaker 2: I will say New England and Indianapolis will be a
Speaker 2: pick them in Germany.
Speaker 1: What else can you make course two point favorites? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's a coin flip, Like, how can you it was
Speaker 2: a favorite in this game? I mean maybe, so maybe
Speaker 2: Indianapolis should be a chick because New England is terrible.
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Speaker 2: Joey Sinante. As old as that Billy Walters commercial is
Speaker 2: getting it still isn't worse than Pat Boone trying to
Speaker 2: get me to buy silver and Gold that aired like
Speaker 2: two years ago. That's very that's very true that Boone
Speaker 2: is very insistent on it. Joe Abraham, you guys might
Speaker 2: have already tried this, but an open invite to the
Speaker 2: show for anyone who fit to submit their survivor pick
Speaker 2: would be a fun segment if any accepted. That's a
Speaker 2: great idea, and it is an open invitation. Let me
Speaker 2: just say this, but God, I feel bad for those folks.
Speaker 2: You know, again, four non submissions in the month of November,
Speaker 2: we're this far in and again, I just I always
Speaker 2: worry about those people, like what's happening in their lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna make a call and say I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear from those people because what either something
Speaker 1: bad probably happened or they're pissed off. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna be happy.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the call above your call and say,
Speaker 2: call us, we wanted you on the show. Jud O'Connor
Speaker 2: Colts last year in Panthers.
Speaker 1: This year.
Speaker 2: The malpractice Reich is performing to these NFL franchises should
Speaker 2: make him as employable as McDaniels. Yeah, I wouldn't go
Speaker 2: that far. I wouldn't go that far. I don't think
Speaker 2: he wanted Bryce Young. I think he wanted C. J. Stroud,
Speaker 2: Phil Weiss, I guess your sixty percent rule only pertains
Speaker 2: to everyone else. Well, Phil, the gentleman by the name
Speaker 2: of it's not juice if you win, asked me directly.
Speaker 2: So that's why I gave the picks of what I
Speaker 2: just had. I'm talking about moving forward. We're not going
Speaker 2: to talk about our sub sixty percent entries in any
Speaker 2: kind of exciting, excitable way or excited way that we
Speaker 2: might actually cash in this. But oh, if we get
Speaker 2: above sixty percent, Kelly, all bets are off. Tom Collins,
Speaker 2: Gil thank you for keeping the great Joe Gibbs as
Speaker 2: the top NFL coach of the modern era. Coach Gibbs
Speaker 2: won the three Super Bowls with three average quarterbacks. No
Speaker 2: Hall of famers. That is correct, Sir Coach Belichick has won?
Speaker 2: How many without Brady? That is also correct? By the way,
Speaker 2: here's Brady's record, do we have that? Finally, Brady's record
Speaker 2: without Bill Belichick eighty one ninety five for us is
Speaker 2: at Belichick's record without Brady as as his quarterback eighty
Speaker 2: one and ninety five straight up lifetime. Do you know
Speaker 2: what Joe Gibbs's record is without Tom Brady? Three Super
Speaker 2: Bowl titles? That's what his record is with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Just we'll point that out. All right, Let's do more
Speaker 2: of these. Let's get some value, Let's get some Let's
Speaker 2: get some bets.
Speaker 1: Early window on Sunday, ten Pacific time one Eastern Texans
Speaker 1: at Bengals.
Speaker 2: Texans four and four under Demico Ryans Bengals now five
Speaker 2: and three after that win last night against the Buffalo Bills. Houston.
Speaker 2: First of all, this was this a game of the day.
Speaker 2: I think Philly Dallas gave this, gave it a run,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say this was the game all the
Speaker 2: day between Houston and Tampa Bay. Third play from scrimmage
Speaker 2: Stroud to Schultz fumble sets up a McLauchlin thirty five
Speaker 2: yard field go three to nothing Tampa and suing drive.
Speaker 2: Houston goes seven play seventy five yards Stroud and Nico
Speaker 2: Collins for fourteen seven to three Houston, then Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: seventy five yards mayfield to Kate Otton from three yards
Speaker 2: out of ten to seven. Tampa. We're still in the
Speaker 2: first quarter. Teams trade three announce then after another Houston
Speaker 2: three and out, Bucks go forty yards on a shortfield
Speaker 2: set up by an unsportsman like penalty on the punt
Speaker 2: return for Sean White. Eventually in from one seventeen to
Speaker 2: seven Tampa Bay nine oh five left the second quarter.
Speaker 2: They got some cushion. Twenty to ten Tampa Bay third quarter,
Speaker 2: now first play. Texans have the ball in the second half.
Speaker 2: Stroud and Noah Brown for seventy five mostly yak but
Speaker 2: with fair Baron hurt. We learned that Kyami Fairbairn got
Speaker 2: hurt at some point in the first half with a
Speaker 2: quad injury. Now, Kelly, I am no field goalologist or
Speaker 2: kicker ologist, but I'm told a injury is important. He
Speaker 2: couldn't go. So Houston down now twenty to sixteen. They
Speaker 2: go for two because they don't have a kicker. People
Speaker 2: are like, why they going for two? They're only down
Speaker 2: for it they don't have a kicker. They failed, by
Speaker 2: the way, So it remains twenty to sixteen, twelve twenty
Speaker 2: left and third quarter. Now it's twenty three to sixteen.
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay's up a touchdown. Houston goes seventy nine yards
Speaker 2: Stroud to Tank Dell from twenty nine out twenty three
Speaker 2: to twenty two. Remember they have no kicker, so they
Speaker 2: go for two. Stroud misfires intended for Dell again twenty
Speaker 2: three twenty two. It remains five poin fifty nine left
Speaker 2: in the third quarter. This was bananas after at Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay three. Now Houston gets to fourth and goal at
Speaker 2: the Atlanta nine. Now, remember no kicker, but in this case,
Speaker 2: no kicker, no problem. Stroud de Schultz touchdown two point
Speaker 2: conversion is good. Stroud takes it himself, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Houston is up seven fourteen eleven ago. Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay comes right back, though, seventy five yards Mayfield to
Speaker 2: Evans for fifty three, the big one, setting up a
Speaker 2: White one yard touchdown plunge thirty to thirty eleven forty
Speaker 2: three to go. Houston ends up with a fourth and
Speaker 2: goal at the eleven with eight forty eight left. Remember
Speaker 2: no Miami, Fairbairn, no problem. Dara Ougunbowale a running back
Speaker 2: twenty nine yard field goal. He's kicking the ball off
Speaker 2: too after this good thirty three to thirty Texas eight
Speaker 2: forty one to go. Dare Ogunbowale is your kicker now.
Speaker 2: Team's tage three and outs Houston with some fumblelock by
Speaker 2: the way, when Stroud got stripped on third and eighteen
Speaker 2: at their own fourteen, but George Fant landed on it.
Speaker 2: Always remember fumbleluck, boys and girls. Tampa Bay the matriculate,
Speaker 2: starting at their thirty nine with four to twenty seven
Speaker 2: to go, They're down three. They get to a third
Speaker 2: and twenty three at their own thirty eight with one
Speaker 2: fifty five to go. Mayfield to Tray Palmer for twenty one.
Speaker 2: Then four fourth and two at the Houston forty one
Speaker 2: Mayfield for a gutsy five yards. Three plays later, Mayfield
Speaker 2: to Otten from fourteen out touchdown. Tampa Bay's gonna win
Speaker 2: this forty six seconds to go, thirty seven thirty three bucks.
Speaker 1: Forty six seconds. What could happen?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Stroud could happen. C. J. Stroud is Shills
Speaker 2: for fourteen timeout Houston, then to Schultz for two final
Speaker 2: timeout for Houston, then to Noah Brown for eighteen, then
Speaker 2: to Tank Dell for twenty six tiptoeing the sidelines, then
Speaker 2: to Dell in the end zone. Touchdown from fifteen out
Speaker 2: six seconds to go thirty nine, thirty seven Houston. Here's
Speaker 2: the issue. A lot of people had Houston minus two
Speaker 2: and a half. So all you gotta do is kick
Speaker 2: the extra boy right right, But you don't have a kicker. Also,
Speaker 2: here's the thing on the two point conversion. You don't
Speaker 2: want to risk something going nuts and fumbling and having
Speaker 2: the Bucks return it for a two point score in
Speaker 2: the other direction. So you know what Demko ryans absolutely
Speaker 2: correctly does they kneel on the football. Oh, the conspiracy
Speaker 2: theorists go crazy out there.
Speaker 1: But it was the correct football play, Yes, absolutely the
Speaker 1: correct thing.
Speaker 2: Just a smart play, by the way, touchback on the
Speaker 2: kickoff from from your running back kicker. Now, Pitchy chi
Speaker 2: Wuo wou fails ballgame, Houston, Texas thirty nine Bucks thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Buccaneers get the money ats, but Houston gets the win.
Speaker 2: Stroud thirty for forty two, a rookie record for seventy
Speaker 2: five touchdowns with matches. A rookie record, by the way,
Speaker 2: was not or did not throw a pick with sack
Speaker 2: three times. Noah Brown six for one to fifty three
Speaker 2: in a touchdown, Schultz ten for one thirty in a touchdown,
Speaker 2: Dell six for one to fourteen and two touchdowns. They
Speaker 2: outgained Tampa Bay four ninety six to three thirty two
Speaker 2: in a game where both teams combine for eighteen penalties
Speaker 2: and two hundred and five yards. What a win for Houston.
Speaker 2: Let me just say this rookie of the year, Offensive
Speaker 2: rookie of the year rest in peace.
Speaker 1: It is CJ. Stroud's.
Speaker 2: He is as high as anywhere between five dollars to
Speaker 2: like seven dollars this morning, minus five hundred to minus
Speaker 2: seven hundred. You are betting, You are betting against an injury.
Speaker 2: If you're betting anybody else at this point with CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 2: Good on him, Absolutely good on him.
Speaker 1: Who are they playing again? That was that took forever?
Speaker 2: Cincinnati? Uh yeah, Cincinnati, Cincinnati. Uh it deserved it, by
Speaker 2: the way, what dramatic, real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you have kicked would you have kicked the
Speaker 1: field goal?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The extra point? You mean, no, the field goal that
Speaker 1: they kicked with uh with or earlier in the quarter.
Speaker 2: But his name, yeah, yeah, I mean they know more
Speaker 2: about him than I do, so they must have been
Speaker 2: confident enough that he could hit one inside thirty, which
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 1: I mean it was the It was the exact like
Speaker 1: example of Matt Brown freaking out about that nobody could kick.
Speaker 2: But that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm a head coach, this is this
Speaker 1: is not someone who I would think is regularly working
Speaker 1: out with the special teams like you. All you've gotten
Speaker 1: to see I would think is six or seven kicks
Speaker 1: during pregame workouts, you know whatever? I know? Was that
Speaker 1: the eleven yard line?
Speaker 2: What else are you gonna do? Reason Matt Brown decided
Speaker 2: to kick these field goals on the shows because he
Speaker 2: couldn't believe a punter couldn't kick a twenty one years
Speaker 2: someone on the team couldn't well punter specifically, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they could. They didn't have one apparently that.
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, But they made Cincinnati beats
Speaker 1: Buffalo last night.
Speaker 2: They traded touchdowns to the beginning of the game. Cincinnati
Speaker 2: had the ball twice Buffalo once it was fourteen to seven.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati was seconds left in the first quarter. Then they
Speaker 2: traded punts. Buffalo down seven. They have a second and
Speaker 2: ten at their own twelve. Allen was picked by cam
Speaker 2: Taylor Britt. That set up Cincinnati at the thirty two,
Speaker 2: but they couldn't do anything with it. The second and
Speaker 2: one at the twenty three no game and the delayed game,
Speaker 2: then a hole and then off side Zach Cold false start. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they had a punt, so still fourteen to seven, but
Speaker 2: then Buffalo three and ount Cincinnati fourth and one at
Speaker 2: the Buffalo thirty six with two thirty nine left in
Speaker 2: the second quarter, They're up seven. Brow to Chase for eleven.
Speaker 2: Three plays later, Brow to Drew Sample for twenty two.
Speaker 2: Twenty one to seven, Cincinnati one thirty seven left in
Speaker 2: the second quarter. That's how the half would end. After
Speaker 2: Allen was called for an intentional grounding that would knock
Speaker 2: Buffalo out of field goal range. Remember we saw that
Speaker 2: earlier in the year with Gino Smith. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: to the officials what your intention is as quarterback. If
Speaker 2: you misread the play, if you don't know where the
Speaker 2: wide receiver's gonna end up, they just care about where
Speaker 2: the ball lands. Twenty one to seven at the half,
Speaker 2: Buffalo would get a Tyler bassfield goal to make it
Speaker 2: twenty one to ten. A little later on Cincinnati fourth
Speaker 2: and five at the Buffalo thirty seven with two twenty
Speaker 2: one left the third quarter, they would only gain two
Speaker 2: on a Burrow to sample pass. Buffalo got the ball back.
Speaker 2: They would matriculate first and ten at the Cincinnati twenty
Speaker 2: two down eleven, Allen to Daltkin Gay though, and he fumbled.
Speaker 2: Though Cincinnati would get another twenty yard chip shot field
Speaker 2: goal for McPherson to make it twenty four to ten.
Speaker 2: And then Buffalo, you know, late in the game, twelve
Speaker 2: plays seventy five yards they go took four to thirty two,
Speaker 2: Alan to Digs for seventeen. They went for two, and
Speaker 2: they got it Allen to Diggs down eight down from
Speaker 2: fourteen to eight. They went for two to make it six.
Speaker 2: That made Buffalo a second half spread winner. But Buffalo
Speaker 2: never saw the ball again and Cincinnati takes home the money. Preflop,
Speaker 2: I will say Cincinnati minus seven in a hook at.
Speaker 1: Home againstkay So interesting. This opened like seven to seven
Speaker 1: and a half. I think even got up to eight,
Speaker 1: but it is back down to seven pretty much. A yeah,
Speaker 1: eight at draftings earlier this morning is down seven.
Speaker 2: More guesting lines on the other side, numbers came in
Speaker 2: the Sports Betting Network skill Alexander we get tweets at
Speaker 2: beating the book. A lot of people fascinated by the
Speaker 2: fact that the whole punter kicker thing and the Matt
Speaker 2: Brown like this is why Matt Brown went crazy about it.
Speaker 2: Tom Stephen says, I'll never understand why teams don't have
Speaker 2: punters and kickers cross train as emergency backups. What else
Speaker 2: do they do during the week? And Nash last name Mash.
Speaker 2: I'm officially on Matt Brown side of punters are useless
Speaker 2: if they can't be utilized as your break glass backup kicker. Seriously,
Speaker 2: why pay millions of dollars for these guys just to
Speaker 2: punt the football, which only Ron Rivera gets gets joy
Speaker 2: out of doing. Trip Tepper points out another another big
Speaker 2: point in that Texans Bucks game. He said Bowles clock
Speaker 2: management in the Texans Bucks game was atrocious. He burned
Speaker 2: the final time out at forty nine seconds to avoid
Speaker 2: a ten second runoff from Houston from the Houston fourteen.
Speaker 2: You want less time in case you score next play touchdown.
Speaker 2: Bolls handed Houston two more plays with that decision, Stroud
Speaker 2: touchdown with six seconds left, and then Shine the professor
Speaker 2: did this just leave my screen there to shine the professor.
Speaker 2: Professor Shine said Bill Belichick had an impossible situation in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: No quarterback won a playoff game with testa verity all
Speaker 2: in the middle of Modell threatening to move the Browns,
Speaker 2: which he did by announcing the move in the middle
Speaker 2: of Belichick's final season, Browns were top five defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's a terrible coach. He's a Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. But I'll take the guy again just comparing
Speaker 2: him to because we have this discussion through the lens
Speaker 2: of Bruce Bochie last week. Is Bruce Bochie the greatest
Speaker 2: manager of our lifetime just like Joe Gibbs the greatest coach? Yes,
Speaker 2: because the both of them won multiple titles with nothing
Speaker 2: like there's not a kid who's twenty five years old.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a kid who's twenty five years
Speaker 2: old today that can name one of those Washington players,
Speaker 2: one of them seriously Rigo maybe so nobody again won
Speaker 2: three Super Bowls, One with a quarterback who no one
Speaker 2: in the NFL wanted and had to blame in the CFL,
Speaker 2: or at least Miami didn't want him in Joe Thaisman,
Speaker 2: One with a guy who nobody in the NFL wanted
Speaker 2: in Doug Williams. Maybe for other reas by the way
Speaker 2: at that time. And then one with a six round
Speaker 2: draft pick at a wazoo by the name of Mark Rippin.
Speaker 2: Again just named the quarterbacks. I'll take that guy. He
Speaker 2: had strike seasons to overcome, he had teams that he had.
Speaker 2: He took Scabs to a three and zero record that
Speaker 2: movies were made of. So anyway, we could have that
Speaker 2: argument forever. But I'll go with the Bochees and the
Speaker 2: Gibbs of the world. Okay, what's next? Saints at Viking,
Speaker 2: Saints at Vikings.
Speaker 1: All right, Saints at Vikings.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a sneaky good game. Yep five and
Speaker 2: four Saints five and four Vikings. Derek Carr in that
Speaker 2: win over the Bears yesterday was twenty five and thirty
Speaker 2: four for two to eleven, two touchdowns, No picks. He
Speaker 2: was sacked zero times. Taysom Hill one one pass completed,
Speaker 2: one for one for three yards and a touchdown, eleven
Speaker 2: carries for fifty two yards and four catches for thirteen
Speaker 2: in a touchdown. Taysom Hill becomes the fifth player to
Speaker 2: join the NFL's ten ten ten club, ten passing touchdowns,
Speaker 2: ten receiving touchdowns, and ten rushing touchdowns. Mazeltov to Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: I did not catch it. Becomes the fourth place, fifth, fifth.
Speaker 1: There's four other guys that have done this.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll get you the names on the.
Speaker 1: Break, like past the year nineteen thirty eight. I don't
Speaker 1: know what year it's past.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1: Past the year. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He outgained They were outgained by Chicago. New Orleans was
Speaker 2: three sixty eight to three on one but plus five
Speaker 2: and turnovers, as we mentioned yesterday, plus five that led
Speaker 2: to plus ten New Orleans net points, but the last
Speaker 2: three of those turnovers in the fourth quarters, timing any
Speaker 2: chance Chicago had to come back from their twenty four
Speaker 2: to seventeen deficit. But again we showed that record earlier
Speaker 2: from the Gentleman Fabe in summer over at the hammer,
Speaker 2: which is you can't cover with plus five and turnovers
Speaker 2: it's so rare. And then there's the Minnesota Vikings. What
Speaker 2: a story this was yesterday Josh Dobbs who got there
Speaker 2: a second and a half ago, which is the second
Speaker 2: time this year that Josh Jobs has gotten somewhere a
Speaker 2: second and a half ago and had a start for
Speaker 2: it was his fifteen Josh Jobbs is fifteen since November
Speaker 2: of last year, since Week fifteen of last year.
Speaker 1: This is fifteen. Sitting all Week two wondering why the
Speaker 1: hell do you like? Vikings? You really believe you really
Speaker 1: you traded for Josh Jobs like you really believe this
Speaker 1: is going to give your team this much of a boost.
Speaker 1: They didn't even need to give the guy a full
Speaker 1: week of practice.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they knew. I think they knew this
Speaker 2: is if they're going to go for it. This was
Speaker 2: exactly the guy to get right. Vikings thirty one, Falcons
Speaker 2: twenty eight. But we thought we were getting cheer in
Speaker 2: Hall this week for the full game. Teams traded punts
Speaker 2: and field goals to start the game, but on one
Speaker 2: play before the Minnesota field goal to tie it at three,
Speaker 2: jer in Hall hit on his try to get in
Speaker 2: the end zone. Hurt ruled out almost immediately or at
Speaker 2: least a few plays after that, and Joshua Dobbs makes
Speaker 2: his debut. He didn't even know Kelly, didn't even know
Speaker 2: his teammates' names in some cases. After in Atlanta punt
Speaker 2: Minnesota at their own five Dobs sacked by Kalas Campbell
Speaker 2: in the end zone safety five to three Atlanta fourteen
Speaker 2: oh one left second quarter, then an eight to three
Speaker 2: game Atlanta's a first intend of their own twenty six
Speaker 2: Dobbs hit by Arnold Ebiquity fumbles, Lorenzo Carter recovers returns
Speaker 2: at nineteen yards, but the Minnesota defense held, led to
Speaker 2: another coup field goal eleven to three Atlanta.
Speaker 1: All Right.
Speaker 2: Vikings then go seventy five yards set up by a
Speaker 2: third and eleven conversion by Hobbs from the Atlanta fourteen
Speaker 2: where next Gen had him going fifty nine point seven
Speaker 2: yards on the scramble was unbelievable. And then Hobbs to
Speaker 2: Madison from two out two plays later, eleven to ten Atlanta.
Speaker 2: What a play by Dopps And you thought, well, he
Speaker 2: can't make a better play than that.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, he could third quarter, fourth to when we
Speaker 1: hit halftime, When we hit halftime, smash Atlanta second half?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Smashed you smash?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're the scores in this situation. Josh Dobbs
Speaker 1: has been there for four days. He doesn't know these guys' names,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know plays. I know he's been great all year.
Speaker 1: The heck with that, I don't even like Atlanta. Smash
Speaker 1: Atlanta second half? What did you do to Atlanta? Second half? Smash?
Speaker 2: Third quarter? Fourteen to thirteen Atlanta. Now Atlanta goes seventy
Speaker 2: five yards sixty on an almost all yak touchdown pass
Speaker 2: from Heineken to Johnny Smith or as we're calling him now,
Speaker 2: twenty one to thirteen, Atlanta six to fifty two left
Speaker 2: third quarter.
Speaker 1: Heineke's going crazy.
Speaker 2: Then, after Minnesota three and out, Atlanta first play, first
Speaker 2: and ten at their own eighteen bijon hit by Caleb
Speaker 2: Avans fumbles, Joshua Tellis recovers Minnesota short field of the
Speaker 2: Atlanta forty six plays Dobs in from eighteen. I love
Speaker 2: when he does that. Did it for the Cardinals a
Speaker 2: lot too, twenty one to nineteen, and then on the
Speaker 2: two points.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know the place, kills us. That's all he
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 2: Hobbs the Tristan Jackson on the two sub version. We're
Speaker 2: tied at twenty one with two twenty left of the third.
Speaker 2: Then Heinik throws a pick on the very first play
Speaker 2: of the ensuing drive Byron Murphy Junior on the other
Speaker 2: because of course he does. That leads to a Joseph
Speaker 2: thirty one yard field goal twenty four to twenty one
Speaker 2: Minnesota with fourteen eighteen to go. Then, after the team's
Speaker 2: trade punts, Atlanta goes eighty yards, including a third and
Speaker 2: eight Heinike conversion with his feet, then Algier eventually in
Speaker 2: from five out. Atlanta takes the lead twenty eight twenty
Speaker 2: four with two o eight to go, and the people
Speaker 2: who smashed Didntlant are feeling good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is perfect now where we left with
Speaker 1: such limited time, he doesn't know the place, doesn't know
Speaker 1: the names. He can't possibly pull this off.
Speaker 2: Gil Minnesota ends up with a fourth and seven at
Speaker 2: the Atlanta thirty four with fifty two seconds to go.
Speaker 2: You're feeling good, it is I just need one stop,
Speaker 2: one stop, and then Joshua Hobbs with an impossible twenty
Speaker 2: two yard scramble. Oh it's happened, t bo Joshua Dobbs.
Speaker 2: So I keep saying Hobbs, yes, oh like three times.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, because it's in my thing.
Speaker 1: I had to change way eight. You'll a big Hobbs
Speaker 1: and show.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Joshua Dobbs. I'm so sorry. Joshua Dobbs with an
Speaker 2: impossible twenty two yard scramble. Impossible, first and ten at
Speaker 2: the Atlanta twelve, with thirty nine seconds to go, down
Speaker 2: four incomplete to Hocketson for six, then the branded Powell
Speaker 2: for the remaining six touchdown. Minnesota thirty one, twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty two seconds to go. That's how it would end.
Speaker 2: Dobbs twenty of thirty for one fifty eight, two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: no pikes. He was sack three times seven for sixty
Speaker 2: six on the ground a touchdown. He did lose two fumbles.
Speaker 2: Minnesota beats Atlanta thirty one to twenty eight, Minnesota by
Speaker 2: one and a half. I'll split the difference between pick
Speaker 2: him in a three.
Speaker 1: This is the biggest Dobbs so far this year, Gil
Speaker 1: the number one it is. What did you just say?
Speaker 1: What was your guest Minnesota minus one and a half,
Speaker 1: Saints minus two and a half. Oh, the wrong team's favorite.
Speaker 1: You had one, I couldn't remember which one.
Speaker 2: Let me just ask you this. Okay, I know we're
Speaker 2: supposed to be a second game here, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let me ask you that when you think of Derek Carr,
Speaker 2: when the average person thinks of Derek Carr, is it
Speaker 2: am I correct when I say they think of Derek
Speaker 2: Carr as not an elite quarterback, but a better than
Speaker 2: average NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: Slightly better than that, better than Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, when they think of Joshua Dobbs. Forget about
Speaker 2: Joshua Hobbs for a second. But when they think about
Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs, do you think that the average person thinks
Speaker 2: of josh Dobbs as a journeyman, pick up off the
Speaker 2: scrap heap, below average, slightly below average, but feist the
Speaker 2: NFL quarter Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think you just described him perfectly. I have the
Speaker 1: opposite opinion of both.
Speaker 2: I think josh I would take josh Dobbs over Derek
Speaker 2: Carr ten out of ten times at the end at
Speaker 2: the ends of any NFL game, because Derek cart I'm
Speaker 2: going back to his his Raiders day. Historically, whenever there's
Speaker 2: a key decision to be made late in the game,
Speaker 2: he always makes the wrong one. Not always, but usually
Speaker 2: makes the wrong one. Josh Dobbs, I don't care what uniform.
Speaker 2: We've seen him in Tennessee's, Arizona's now with the Vikings.
Speaker 2: He is always making plays. The Saints could win this game,
Speaker 2: but they shouldn't be favored. I think the Vikings should
Speaker 2: be favored. Yeah, I can't. I doubt I'll be getting
Speaker 2: involved in this. I think it's interesting to say. I
Speaker 2: hear what you're saying. Huge football game for both. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a huge game. I like, well, I kind of
Speaker 2: snickered when you first.
Speaker 1: That's sneaky because I think for us as better as
Speaker 1: you don't think of like, yeah, you just look at records.
Speaker 1: They're five and four. Both these seeds are five and four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dobbs has been incredible. He is the ultimate so far
Speaker 1: this season. Nobody else that I can put higher on
Speaker 1: my list of sir. I must tip my cap to
Speaker 1: you because you have beaten me soundly betting against you
Speaker 1: and proven me time time and time again that I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this. Sorry.
Speaker 2: When I put in Dobbs and my notes, it autocorrects
Speaker 2: to Hobbes. Apparently they don't like the name dogs and
Speaker 2: so that I ron bergery through it. By apologies to
Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs in the entire Dobbs family, because I love you, man,
Speaker 2: and that's a bet. That's a bet for me. Minnesota
Speaker 2: a whole bunch more games to get to.
Speaker 1: We will do so.
Speaker 2: On the other side, the numbers told the story they
Speaker 2: always done.
Speaker 1: It's on those idiots who believe in the analytics.
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Speaker 2: It's Kelly Bidlin guessing lines for week number ten in
Speaker 2: the National Football League, trying to extract value and exercise
Speaker 2: that has worked splendidly, with the exception of one week
Speaker 2: thus far this year. Splendidly, we had tweets at beating
Speaker 2: the book Torch. D bought my uncle a jem Mint
Speaker 2: ten C. J. Stroud card for his birthday a few
Speaker 2: months ago.
Speaker 1: Kind of want that back now. I don't blame you
Speaker 1: towards D.
Speaker 2: Shine still wants to do the Gibbs Belichick still Gibbs
Speaker 2: Belichick debate. I love you, Shine. Gibbs had Bobby Bethard
Speaker 2: as the GM. True Bethard was responsible for players and
Speaker 2: was very savvy with old it rules it. When Bethard
Speaker 2: went to San Diego, that's how we got Stan Humphys.
Speaker 2: Also Ripping was on the eighty seven and active rush.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't have to tell me Seane never played
Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety. Not allowed to stockpile.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks, on and on.
Speaker 2: Maybe Belichick needs a new GM. He says, yes, he
Speaker 2: should fire himself as a GEM, that's for sure. If
Speaker 2: I mean, would we all know what's going on?
Speaker 1: Right? He's just waiting until he gets that wins record
Speaker 1: and then it's see you later.
Speaker 2: Yeah you hear the Who was the rumor? Someone started
Speaker 2: the rumor that he would end up in Washington, speaking
Speaker 2: of conflating the two things. That the next year, Josh
Speaker 2: Harris heard a couple of Yeah, by the way, really quick,
Speaker 2: did you see the Glazier report on this Raiders stuff
Speaker 2: speaking of the Patriots? Oh, what was that? That that
Speaker 2: they just love?
Speaker 1: They went crazy when they won and they had a
Speaker 1: grievance airing of grievances and they hate Josh McDaniels. Oh
Speaker 1: it was like McDaniels. No, No, like McDaniels asking Antonio
Speaker 1: Peers to like make a speech to the Go see Glazers.
Speaker 1: Go to his twitter see what he actually said. But
Speaker 1: like asked Antonio Piers to like give a speech to
Speaker 1: the players to kind of help HiPE him up after
Speaker 1: they're playing bad. Right, He's not able to get through
Speaker 1: to the players, so he uses is an inexacriate thing
Speaker 1: of the Giants beating the Patriots, and McDaniels pulls him
Speaker 1: aside afterward and says, never do that again. Yeah, never
Speaker 1: do that again. Got upstairs to Mark Davis. Good for you,
Speaker 1: Mark Davis. I've turned a corner.
Speaker 2: I believe that report, and I did hear that report.
Speaker 2: I believe that report more than I believe the one
Speaker 2: that came out last week. Do you see that one thing?
Speaker 1: I don't think that the one you said, Mark.
Speaker 2: Davis gave him a fortune cookie after he dressed up
Speaker 2: as Mark Davis, Josh McDaniels and Halloween, and in the
Speaker 2: fortune cookie, the fortune said nice, nice job, hotshot, you're
Speaker 2: fired or whatever. There's all kinds of rumors coming, but
Speaker 2: there was a tweet from some guy this is this
Speaker 2: is Jay Glazer and this is legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, believe me. I completely believe that's with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: You believe that any.
Speaker 2: Hard about the Patriots like him going crazy about that,
Speaker 2: I'd fire him too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. They should have been fired on the spot, Like
Speaker 1: what are you talking? You don't you don't coach for
Speaker 1: that team anymore. Get out of the billshit been fired
Speaker 1: way before. That.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't take that, Doug Wedge, Dobbs, Hobbs, doesn't matter that
Speaker 2: both miracle workers. By the way, he's showing a picture
Speaker 2: of a Robert Redford as Hobbs from the Natural. Here's
Speaker 2: our poll question of the hour, Kelly, give him pole questions.
Speaker 1: All right, if I could figure out how to do
Speaker 1: a poll on Twitter, I'm gonna tell me to do it.
Speaker 1: But otherwise just tweet it. If you hear Gil Alexander say,
Speaker 1: Hobbs during guessing lines, do you think the natural or
Speaker 1: do you think fast to the furious? That's right, it's
Speaker 1: gonna give us our ultimate answer of how old is
Speaker 1: our audience?
Speaker 2: Master of Puppets. Losing my Atlanta bet was probably one
Speaker 2: of the best bad beats in my life. Never understood
Speaker 2: why Atlanta did not put a spy on Dobbs. David
Speaker 2: Burns don't care what Josh Dobbs does the rest of
Speaker 2: his career. The guys a winner and makes the most
Speaker 2: of his ability. Arizona got rid of him because you
Speaker 2: cannot tank with a guy like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a shot. All right, let's roll through a
Speaker 1: bunch swait. Here we go, early window Packers at Steelers.
Speaker 2: All right, Packers beat the Rams yesterday, the three and
Speaker 2: five Packers at the five and three Kelly, five and three,
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay and the Rams yesterday. Pittsburgh obviously
Speaker 2: coming off extra rest. Here they're lost to Jacksonville on Thursday,
Speaker 2: and I have a green Bay. After a trade of punts,
Speaker 2: Brett Rippin first and tend at the green Bay forty
Speaker 2: five three thirty two left in the first quarter. He fumbled,
Speaker 2: regained possession, sacked by Jonathan Owens fumbled again, Devandre Campbell
Speaker 2: recovered green Bay shortfield forty one yards. Jones in from
Speaker 2: three seven to zh in green Bay early second quarter,
Speaker 2: seven to three at halftime, after Lucas Haversik made a
Speaker 2: fifty two yarder for the Rams and Carlson missed a
Speaker 2: forty eight yarder. Third quarter ten to three. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: seven to three still, Aaron Jones fumble led to a
Speaker 2: Rams Haversick forty nine yard try, which he missed. The
Speaker 2: green Bay matriculated, but on third and two at the
Speaker 2: Rams four they got stopped by an Aaron Donald Zach
Speaker 2: Carlton twenty six yard field goal made it ten to
Speaker 2: three with two ten left in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: Real Barnburner here.
Speaker 2: Rams turned it over on downs pack three and out
Speaker 2: ripping picked by Anthony Johnson Junior, led to a Carlson
Speaker 2: thirty four yard field goal to make it thirteen to three,
Speaker 2: and then after a Rams three and out, green Bay
Speaker 2: went seventy two yards loved to Luke Musgrave from twenty out,
Speaker 2: twenty to three green Bay. That's how it would end.
Speaker 2: Love twenty of twenty six for two twenty eight. They
Speaker 2: outgained the Rams three ninety one to one eighty seven.
Speaker 2: You know how I was saying the Rams wouldn't you
Speaker 2: know Puka wouldn't be affected by Stafford being out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I thought it was Mark Rippin going back to our
Speaker 2: previous conversation and.
Speaker 1: Not brentwib There you go, that would have helped out
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's where I am.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any action in this game, by the way, either,
Speaker 2: but the Rams were horrific.
Speaker 1: I feel also feel like I got a little about you.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I saw about seven plays from
Speaker 1: this game. Yes as well?
Speaker 2: That said Green Bay at Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh minus four. I'll
Speaker 2: say it's more than a field goal.
Speaker 1: Close it is, it's three and a half. Three and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if Pittsburgh's going to win one
Speaker 2: game handily this year, this might be it.
Speaker 1: I agree with Yeah, I agree with that. What's that?
Speaker 1: All right? Let's keep rolling. Titans at Bucks. Titans three
Speaker 1: and five, Titans.
Speaker 2: At the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are also three and five.
Speaker 2: Who did I say played Thursday night? I got that wrong,
Speaker 2: by the way, Pittsburgh played Tennessee.
Speaker 1: On Thursday night.
Speaker 2: Not I said Jacksonville, Jacksonville, How to buy Tennessee. They
Speaker 2: played so Tennessee with the extra rest here at Tampa Bay,
Speaker 2: who lost that unbelievable game to Houston. As we talked about,
Speaker 2: Mayfield was twenty one of thirty for two sixty five
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. No Pixie was sacked twice in that loss,
Speaker 2: where again Houston relied on a running back to kick
Speaker 2: a field goal and kick off for them. Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: minus three? What else could it be? Tampa Bay minus one?
Speaker 2: I guess it'll could I guess it could be minus one.
Speaker 2: You're not giving Billy Levi's enough credit.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I was a lazy guess of
Speaker 2: minus three, but it gave me really interested in betting
Speaker 2: no at all.
Speaker 1: These two teams with the quarterbacks switch in Tennessee and
Speaker 1: Tampa is gonna be there. Look, they're a tough, grinded
Speaker 1: out three and five is an appropriate record for it.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be good, They're not gonna be great,
Speaker 1: But when you're talking the NFC South, they're also not horrible.
Speaker 2: This may get the what game do you want? No
Speaker 2: part of choice?
Speaker 1: This week it's it's a mixed for what's forty Niners
Speaker 1: at Jags probably game game awake five and three Niners
Speaker 1: six and two, Jags both coming off a bye.
Speaker 2: San Francisco minus.
Speaker 1: Three confirmed game of the week. By way to make sure,
Speaker 1: shop around right now. This is a big two and
Speaker 1: a half three two and a half's and three is
Speaker 1: widely available. So if you're looking to get involved early,
Speaker 1: shop around because it is two and a half or three.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, gil this one. This one's tough.
Speaker 1: I might be sitting on the sidelines for this one.
Speaker 2: Power rankings are gonna be awfully interesting this week.
Speaker 1: I think if you're if you're telling me I'm catching
Speaker 1: a full field goal plus because I have a feeling
Speaker 1: Niners are gonna take more this week. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. It'd be Jags or pass.
Speaker 2: This is a step up in competition for Jackson.
Speaker 1: Oh, it is big town, big time. Absolutely, let's squeeze
Speaker 1: it one. Brown's at Ravens.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good game too. Browns are five and three,
Speaker 2: the Ravens are seven to two. The Ravens should be
Speaker 2: nine to zero, and they're the only team you can
Speaker 2: say that about.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly.
Speaker 2: Browns there's really not much to say about this game.
Speaker 2: They played Arizona yesterday three to zero. They're up three
Speaker 2: to nothing. First intend at their own forty for Arizona,
Speaker 2: down three to nothing. I should say now Clayton tune
Speaker 2: picked by Denzel Ward that led to an eleven play
Speaker 2: forty nine yard drive for Cleveland. Watson passed deflected high
Speaker 2: in the air, caught by Cooper in the end zone
Speaker 2: for an eleven yard touchdown, ten to nothing Cleveland six
Speaker 2: forty eight left in the second quarter, would be thirteen
Speaker 2: to nothing at halftime. By the way, the halftime yardage
Speaker 2: advantage was one ninety three.
Speaker 1: To thirty one. Is that good for Arizona.
Speaker 2: Third quarter first and ten from the air for Arizona
Speaker 2: at their own twenty nine thirty eight left and third
Speaker 2: quarter two sacked by Shelby Harris fumbles Miles Garrett recovered
Speaker 2: three plays. There are he plays later watsonton joke to
Speaker 2: Najoku from five out, twenty to nothing Cleveland, there's no
Speaker 2: need to go on. Browns would end up winning at
Speaker 2: twenty seven to nothing. Watson nineteen of thirty for two
Speaker 2: nineteen two touchdowns, no Picksley with sack once Cooper five
Speaker 2: for one thirty nine in a touchdown. The Browns held
Speaker 2: Arizona to seven first downs, one of twelve on third downs,
Speaker 2: fifty eight total yards, seventeen of which were passing, and
Speaker 2: they were plus three in turnovers, which led to plus
Speaker 2: fourteen Cleveland points net point. Did it tell us anything
Speaker 2: about the Browns? Not a damn thing. By the way,
Speaker 2: If the Cardinals keep playing Clayton tune, my God, and
Speaker 2: then there's Baltimore, well it's an interesting Yeah, supposed to
Speaker 2: be Kyler Murray this week, though we led to what
Speaker 2: we're led to believe at this moment.
Speaker 1: I love going back to that tweet. What you want
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of Dobbs, because yes, you
Speaker 1: want to tank, but you bring Kyler Murray in. Is
Speaker 1: he gonna mess that up? No idea. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you got to show him off if you're
Speaker 1: going to try to trade him, bro, do you really no?
Speaker 2: Cleveland's at Baltimore? Baltimore? Is this team is the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl represented from the a representative from the AFC staring
Speaker 2: in our face all this time Baltimore against Seattle yester day.
Speaker 2: If the team's traded punts twice on Seattle punted yet again.
Speaker 2: Baltimore went eighty one yards on twelve plays spanning the
Speaker 2: end of the first and the start of the second quarter,
Speaker 2: gus in from four to seven to nothing, Baltimore thirteen
Speaker 2: oh six left in the second quarter. After the team's
Speaker 2: traded turnovers, Gino was picked by Gino Stone, then Lamar
Speaker 2: was sacked by Boye Mafe and fumbled. Seattle then went
Speaker 2: three and out. Then Baltimore went eighty four yards guss
Speaker 2: in from three fourteen to nothing, Baltimore two thirty nine
Speaker 2: left second quarter, fourteen to three. Game, Now fifty nine
Speaker 2: seconds left in the second quarter, You're like, well, this
Speaker 2: half's gonna end. No teams traded turnovers again. First Lamart
Speaker 2: to Obj hit by Trey Brownie fumbles, then Bobby and
Speaker 2: Wagner recovered that. Then Seattle set up at Baltimore forty
Speaker 2: three with forty nine seconds left in the half. Three
Speaker 2: plays later, Gino sacked by Kyle van Noi heat fumbles.
Speaker 2: Broderick Washington recovers. Baltimore then set up at the Seattle
Speaker 2: thirty six with thirty three seconds left in the quarter.
Speaker 2: Leads to a Tucker thirty seven yard field well seventeen
Speaker 2: to three Ravens at the half. Two thirty eight to
Speaker 2: eighty nine total yards advantage for Baltimore at half time,
Speaker 2: then twenty three to three after two Tuckerfield goals and
Speaker 2: two Seattle three and outs. Keaton Mitchell the speedster from
Speaker 2: forty out, thirty to three Baltimore. With twenty nine seconds
Speaker 2: left in third quarter, they'd add a Huntley, who was
Speaker 2: in for Lamar at that point, to obj touchdown, thirty
Speaker 2: seven to three Baltimore. By the way Baltimore kneeled on
Speaker 2: it at the end, or it would have been worse
Speaker 2: on the scoreboard. That's your final thirty seven to three
Speaker 2: Baltimore over Seattle, who's a playoff contender and a top
Speaker 2: ten fringe, top ten Power ranked team. Lamar twenty one
Speaker 2: of twenty six for one eighty seven, no touchdowns, no
Speaker 2: picksy but sack once ten for sixty with a fumble
Speaker 2: lost on the ground. Keaton Mitchell nine for one thirty
Speaker 2: eight in a touchdown they held Seattle. Baltimore did to
Speaker 2: six first downs, one of twelve on third and they
Speaker 2: outgained them five point fifteen to one fifty one, two
Speaker 2: ninety eight to twenty eight.
Speaker 1: On the ground two ninety eight to twenty eight. This
Speaker 1: was Detroit all over. I mean, this was they were
Speaker 1: post This.
Speaker 2: Just sounded like what we just read about Cleveland and Arizona.
Speaker 1: Baltimore by four and a half.
Speaker 2: Six Yeah, bad, guess six makes sense.
Speaker 1: Think there are five and a half still out there
Speaker 1: and open Baltimore might go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Dude, like you don't trust Lamar in the playoffs the video,
Speaker 2: I don't trust them, But the way they run their offense,
Speaker 2: I like, right now more than guess. NFL Week ten
Speaker 2: coming up, it's skill Alexander's Kelly Bidlintle live from bar
Speaker 2: Canada at the d Back to that Baltimore thing for
Speaker 2: a second. So there's seven and two. They ought to
Speaker 2: be nine to Oh. They have no business losing the
Speaker 2: two games they lost. If I said to you right now,
Speaker 2: the common question that like non betters would ask of you.
Speaker 1: Hey, who's gonna be in the super Bowl this year?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: Bam, who's your Super Bowl teams? You're timing down Bengals
Speaker 2: Eagles for I think it's Bengals or Ravens Now in
Speaker 2: the AFC. I really do believe it's the Bengals. Of
Speaker 2: the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to it, and I still think it's
Speaker 1: the Niners in the NFC.
Speaker 2: Well, I gotta think the Ravens are the team that
Speaker 2: we people sleep on and even off air we were
Speaker 2: just talking. You just can't buy into Lamar Jackson. I
Speaker 2: just can't.
Speaker 1: Well, it's always driven me nuts because he's extremely talented.
Speaker 1: It's just, hey, it's kind of it's similar to Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in Buffalo. Right. It's the it's whenever Baltimore's had
Speaker 1: a good defense in a good running game, which they
Speaker 1: seem to be back to this year, more than we
Speaker 1: really thought they were going to be heading into the season. Right.
Speaker 1: It's just these games, you know. And I guess Dallas
Speaker 1: would be a fair comp this year too. It's when
Speaker 1: they can play from ahead and Lamar doesn't have to
Speaker 1: they don't have to go into desperation mode with him
Speaker 1: throwing the ball a lot more, which opens him up
Speaker 1: more to turnovers and turnover plays. I mean that they
Speaker 1: just when they can control that part of the game,
Speaker 1: then they seem dominant and they seem hard to beat.
Speaker 1: No team has dominated good opponents like they have. No nobody,
Speaker 1: and I know I can't. There's no part of that
Speaker 1: I can argue you. Even saying about how they could
Speaker 1: should be undefeated, I can't argue that at all. I
Speaker 1: absolutely can't argue that. It's just we have not seen
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Lamar Jackson really yet of in the
Speaker 1: big moment having make the big plays time and time
Speaker 1: again without making those turnovers. And that's what concerned.
Speaker 2: We'll see if they have to get into that situation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's reel off a few more here.
Speaker 1: All right, we are into the late window. Four or
Speaker 1: five Eastern Falcons at Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Four and five Falcons at Arizona one in eight. Now,
Speaker 2: by the way, those two adjustice season win totals. Plays
Speaker 2: that I gave out last week had good weeks. Cincinnati
Speaker 2: to the over on the Justice Saeson win total, Atlanta
Speaker 2: to the under. So hope people jumped on that. Atlanta
Speaker 2: Taylor Heineke in defeat twenty one of thirty eight for
Speaker 2: two sixty eight, one touchdown, one pick. He was sacked
Speaker 2: once in Atlanta's loss to the Minnesota Vikings. Arizona in
Speaker 2: that loss once again to the Cleveland Browns, Clayton Tune
Speaker 2: was eleven for twenty for fifty eight yards, no touchdowns,
Speaker 2: two picks. He was sacked seven times. He carried the
Speaker 2: ball five times for twenty eight yards, did lose a fumble,
Speaker 2: and again Arizona had seven first downs. They were one
Speaker 2: of twelve on third downs. They had fifty eight total yards,
Speaker 2: seventeen of which were passing, minus three in turnovers that
Speaker 2: led to plus fourteen Cleveland net points.
Speaker 1: I mean, if this is Kyler Murray, then Atlanta will
Speaker 1: be favored by three.
Speaker 2: But if this is Clayton Tune, it's gotta be more
Speaker 2: than that. I'm gonna say Atlanta minus three because I
Speaker 2: think it's I think they're talking like it's Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: It is Atlanta two and a half pretty much painted everywhere.
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple two's though, like they've like it's
Speaker 1: come down to two. I'm a little surprised about too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's put it this way, if it's Kyler,
Speaker 1: because I think you're right. I think what you just
Speaker 1: said with the numbers is right.
Speaker 2: But if it's Kyler Murray, like I wouldn't bet this
Speaker 2: game with anybody else's money, Like I wouldn't want any
Speaker 2: part because what are you trying to do. If you're Arizona,
Speaker 2: are you trying to win a football game with Kyler Murray?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's happening, So I don't on any
Speaker 2: part of it with a bet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, No, I think I think
Speaker 1: you said it right though. With the number, man, I
Speaker 1: just like, what would you need even in this situation.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's say let's say it's Clayton too. What
Speaker 1: number would you be willing to lay with the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons up to.
Speaker 2: Mm, not more than not more than a reasonable number,
Speaker 2: not more than like six at the top.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could get on the other side of a field goal.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could either. I just don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean, but he was so bad yesterday. What's next?
Speaker 1: Yes, Lions at Chargers? Oh there it is Lions of Chargers.
Speaker 2: The game that we've that that our power rankings discussion
Speaker 2: were a couple of weeks ago spawned so much hatred
Speaker 2: about I'll say this is a Chargers sight unseen because
Speaker 2: they played the Jets tonight. So I think I couldn't
Speaker 2: decide between a pick him or the Chargers by a tick.
Speaker 2: I'll say a pick.
Speaker 1: Them opened a couple of plays, pickum or Lions one.
Speaker 1: It is Lions one and a half basically everywhere, now,
Speaker 1: gil I did bet a Lions at a pickup? Did
Speaker 1: Lions at a pickup yesterday? I would love for the
Speaker 1: Chargers to win this game, just for everybody to shut up.
Speaker 1: I also think, though this is good, going back to
Speaker 1: that conversation from two weeks ago, not applicable this situation
Speaker 1: right because Chargers are on Monday night, Detroit coming off
Speaker 1: of a bye completely different.
Speaker 2: Detroit has extra rest. My Chargers are on short rest,
Speaker 2: all right, and that.
Speaker 1: Is definitely part of my handicap. I mean that, combined
Speaker 1: with Chargers not really having much home field, all that
Speaker 1: all right? Next up four to twenty five Eastern Giants
Speaker 1: at Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Two and seven Giants five and three, Cowboys both losing yesterday,
Speaker 2: Giants against the Raiders after a three and out, Raiders
Speaker 2: won sixty seven yards all but one play twenty four
Speaker 2: yards on the ground. Myers in from seventeen seven to nothing.
Speaker 1: Raiders.
Speaker 2: Giants ensuing drive ends in a failed to his push
Speaker 2: on fourth and one at the Raiders thirty four, Jones
Speaker 2: stuffed for no game. Now the teams traded punts, but
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones went down wincing not once but twice, the
Speaker 2: second time on a non contact play. We'd later find
Speaker 2: out it's an ACL injury. Tommy DeVito went in, and
Speaker 2: by the way, you talked about smashing Atlanta, this was
Speaker 2: the moment where the entire world smashed the Raiders when
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito was announced in this game, because we saw
Speaker 2: what Tommy DeVito could or better said couldn't do last week.
Speaker 2: So everybody, including myself, smashed the Raiders at this point,
Speaker 2: and that proved to be a good bet because after
Speaker 2: another trade of punts, Raiders won sixty six yards jacobs
Speaker 2: in from two fourteen to five or six left the
Speaker 2: second quarter. Then third play of the ensuing drive, DeVito
Speaker 2: picked by a meek Robertson, Raiders won sixty yards O'Connell
Speaker 2: to Trey Tucker for fifty immediately leads to jacobs in
Speaker 2: from one twenty eight one to nothing Raiders with one
Speaker 2: fifty seven left in the second quarter. Then DeVito was
Speaker 2: picked off a caron by Nate Obbs twenty four to
Speaker 2: nothing Raiders at the half they'd win at thirty to six.
Speaker 2: Jones was four of nine for twenty five before he
Speaker 2: had to leave DeVito fifteen of twenty four one seventy five.
Speaker 2: They were minus two in turnovers that led to plus
Speaker 2: ten Raiders points. So that's the Giants. They're two and seven,
Speaker 2: and boy that that alternate under season win total is
Speaker 2: only a couple weeks away from cashing quite frankly on
Speaker 2: the Giant. Then there's Dallas. If it wasn't for Houston,
Speaker 2: this might have been the best game of the day.
Speaker 2: After Dallas three and out, Philadelphia starts at their own
Speaker 2: twenty three. They went seventy seven yards converting a fourth
Speaker 2: and one at their own thirty two on a turks bush.
Speaker 2: Then they survived a strip sack by Sam Williams with
Speaker 2: the ball went right back to Hertz, and then on
Speaker 2: fourth and three at the Dallas twenty seven hurts to
Speaker 2: Goddard for fifteen, then gained well in from twelve on
Speaker 2: the next play seven and nothing, Philly five to forty
Speaker 2: five five forty six pardon me left in the first quarter.
Speaker 2: Then Dallas fourth and one at the Philadelphia thirty three
Speaker 2: dak to Lamb for twenty nine. Next play to Ferguson
Speaker 2: for four out seven is seven, one thirty seven left
Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Then after Philly three and out,
Speaker 2: Dallas went eighty two yards Dak to Gavante Turbin from
Speaker 2: five out fourteen to seven Dallas eleven sixteen left in
Speaker 2: the second quarter. That's only the second lead change in
Speaker 2: a time Dallas game all season. Then Philly goes sixty
Speaker 2: yards brother Lee shove in from one out fourteen to
Speaker 2: fourteen five h nine left in the second quarter, then
Speaker 2: seventeen to fourteen Dallas. Hurts, sacked by Parsons, took a
Speaker 2: direct blow on his left knee earlier in the play.
Speaker 2: That would be the halftime score seventeen to fourteen, but
Speaker 2: Hurts just keeps coming even if he's hurt. Third quarter,
Speaker 2: they're down three. Philly takes the opening drive seventy five
Speaker 2: yards Hurts DeVonta Smith for twenty nine twenty one to
Speaker 2: seventeen Philly. Then after Dallas punt, Philly goes eighty seven yards,
Speaker 2: including it took his push conversion on thirty and one
Speaker 2: along the way, Hurts the Brown from four out twenty
Speaker 2: eight to seventeen Philly one ow eight left. Third quarter,
Speaker 2: are they running away with it? No ensuing drive ten
Speaker 2: ten to go, Dallas gets it to the one and
Speaker 2: a half fourth in goal. Dak to Luke Schoonmaker at
Speaker 2: the goal line, knead down about the ball being i'd say,
Speaker 2: with the ball about a half a foot short. No touchdown.
Speaker 2: Then after a Philly three and out, Dallas fifty two
Speaker 2: yard drive Dak to Jaylen Tolbert from seven out makes
Speaker 2: it twenty eight twenty three. Remember the spread is three here,
Speaker 2: but the two point conversion no good because d stepped
Speaker 2: out of bounds before he lunged for the pile on
Speaker 2: bo balls about a foot shy of the goal line there.
Speaker 2: So between the Schoonmaker play at the goal line and
Speaker 2: now this two point conversion was six twenty three to go.
Speaker 2: That's the game right there. Then a miserable three and
Speaker 2: out for Philly as Philly elects to pass on third
Speaker 2: and three instead of the Tookers push twice. Dallas starts
Speaker 2: at their own twenty six with four to forty three
Speaker 2: to go, get to first intend at the Philly thirty
Speaker 2: one with two forty seven to go. Prescott then sacked
Speaker 2: by Brandon Braham, then by Jalen Carter two minutes to
Speaker 2: go third and twenty one, Dak to Lamb for thirteen,
Speaker 2: fourth and eight at the Philly twenty nine, one to
Speaker 2: twenty two to go down five, Dak intended.
Speaker 1: For Tolbert incomplete.
Speaker 2: Ferguson was wide open behind the d but Dallas has
Speaker 2: all three timeouts left, though, and on third down, Swift
Speaker 2: runs right into Brown fumbles, but Phillies Tyler's Dean recovers
Speaker 2: fumble luck forty six seconds to go. When Dallas gets
Speaker 2: the ball back at their own fourteen. After the bun
Speaker 2: first and ten, Dak throws a deep Bradbury runs right
Speaker 2: into Gallop for a thirty six yard PI pick up,
Speaker 2: then at midfield forty seconds to go, ten yards to
Speaker 2: Ferguson with roughing the passer on Hassan Redick tacked on
Speaker 2: at the Philly twenty five with thirty two seconds to go,
Speaker 2: fourteen to Lamb, then First intended the eleven with twenty
Speaker 2: seven seconds to go. They trade encroachment and fall star penalties,
Speaker 2: then Dak sacked by Josh Sweat. No timeouts left over
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. They don't get off another play until eleven
Speaker 2: seconds left on the clock. On the clock that's incomplete
Speaker 2: and tended Tolbert in the back of the end zone
Speaker 2: five seconds left.
Speaker 1: Then, after another Dallas false start third and.
Speaker 2: Twenty six of the twenty seven gotta get to the
Speaker 2: end zone, Dak to Lamb for twenty No good, not
Speaker 2: good enough, he fumbles anyway, ballgame, Eagles miraculous cover. You
Speaker 2: gotta be kidding me. Oh what the Eagles overcame to
Speaker 2: cover that?
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Dallas, mine is fourteen and a half
Speaker 2: over the Giants.
Speaker 1: You're off. It's up to fifteen and a half or sixteen.
Speaker 2: I suck more guesses? Next skill, Alexander is Kelly Bidlin.
Speaker 2: We go through the guessing lines process because it has
Speaker 2: delivered winners. Something about this exercise and the first instinct
Speaker 2: has really translated through the years, but certainly this year,
Speaker 2: I just want to go back to that because I
Speaker 2: know we got a few more games to get to.
Speaker 2: But that Cowboys Eagles game yesterday, which again you had
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: In this game. Yeah, those I had the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: those of us had the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Again, let me just say, you have to recognize when
Speaker 2: you just get pure, purely fortunate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have a bet I did. I just
Speaker 1: had in the contest.
Speaker 2: So yes, the Eagles were up twenty eight to seventeen,
Speaker 2: and it looked like, you know, maybe they're gonna maybe
Speaker 2: they're gonna win this game. You know, comfortably that did
Speaker 2: not come to pass. But you just think of the
Speaker 2: things that they had to overcome again, the Schoonmaker play
Speaker 2: at the goal line, which was initially ruled a touchdown
Speaker 2: but then was reversed, right, that was a fourth down play.
Speaker 2: Then the Dak two point conversion where he steps out
Speaker 2: before he could put the ball over the over the
Speaker 2: goal line. Then the fumble, which will again just like
Speaker 2: in that Houston game, when you recover your own fumble
Speaker 2: deep inside your territory, your brain tends to purge it.
Speaker 2: But in the case of Steam here with the Eagles,
Speaker 2: that he lands on that fumble that third downplay, the
Speaker 2: Eagles are just trying it like and they and and
Speaker 2: Andre Swift runs right into aj Brown, the ball drops
Speaker 2: and Tyler stem pardon me, recovers that football. That's another thing, okay.
Speaker 2: And then the Cowboys get the ball. You're like, okay,
Speaker 2: well they gotta go all the way down field. And
Speaker 2: then Bradbury just runs into gallop Hassan Reddick Roughs Dack.
Speaker 2: Next thing you know, like Dallas is in scoring position.
Speaker 2: He's the old baseball baseball phrase. The fact that they
Speaker 2: were able to withstand that again a bailout's Josh Sweat
Speaker 2: sack where the Cowboys had no time left and so
Speaker 2: they didn't get another playoff till eleven seconds were left,
Speaker 2: and then finally won with five seconds left. By that time,
Speaker 2: they needed another false start. They needed twenty seven yards.
Speaker 2: They threw it short and ceed Lamb fumbled it anyway,
Speaker 2: but there were so many things in that game.
Speaker 1: That had to go the Eagles way. Yeah, to cover
Speaker 1: the c Lamb. The one has nothing you can you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even count. Like people keep bringing that up like
Speaker 1: it belongs in the same sense. He threw it short
Speaker 1: of the end zone, Like what am I Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to cut him side now. On the
Speaker 1: two point conversion, that was the tough one where he's live.
Speaker 2: I thought he was in.
Speaker 1: I thought he was in two and then and then
Speaker 1: it's one of those you see those replays and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: Dak like I know, I know, it's it's really easy
Speaker 1: for me to say sitting on the couch here. But
Speaker 1: it's like that's something you gotta be real careful with.
Speaker 2: What was the game? I want to say it was
Speaker 2: the Thursday night game with the Steelers and the Titans
Speaker 2: where I actually texted like wish Nev and Will Hill.
Speaker 2: Have you seen a team of receivers talking about the
Speaker 2: Steelers now that have less sideline recognition than these guys have,
Speaker 2: Like they're always stepping out of bounds. That entire team
Speaker 2: is like there's a sideline.
Speaker 1: He's really I.
Speaker 2: Can't see what.
Speaker 1: I can't see what's his name, gutneral Schesky anymore? Now
Speaker 1: he was on the Giants hour. I can't see him
Speaker 1: anymore without thinking about the kickoff tip today tap the
Speaker 1: toes in the sideline.
Speaker 2: So the same question. The Eagles are eight and one,
Speaker 2: Cowboys are five and three. Again, Cowboys a bully that
Speaker 2: beats up on every team that's worse than them. Here,
Speaker 2: they should they have won, No, but they certainly could
Speaker 2: have maybe maybe should have. Do you think of the
Speaker 2: Cowboys any better than you did beforehand? So like Deck
Speaker 2: has been pretty good.
Speaker 1: Glad you asked it this. Yeah, the Cowboys lost that game,
Speaker 1: and I'm more impressed with them sitting here today than
Speaker 1: I was heading.
Speaker 2: I think so too, me too. That's the big takeaway
Speaker 2: for me in that game. And does Philly have enough
Speaker 2: because they win a lot of close games, whether it's
Speaker 2: Dallas or Washington, whoever, do they have enough to get
Speaker 2: to or and or win a Super Bowl right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. So the one I think I think
Speaker 1: I've been hurt is hurt. Yeah. I think I've been
Speaker 1: pretty clear about this, like on the show, like there
Speaker 1: are guys Hurts, Josh Allen, you know Watson that it's
Speaker 1: been either kind of stay away from or bet against
Speaker 1: for me, just because I know there's I know they're hurt.
Speaker 1: We just don't really know how much with almost all
Speaker 1: of them. But they're the one team that kind of
Speaker 1: keeps winning through it, right Philly, no matter what you
Speaker 1: throw out them. Yeah, that's where I still believe in them,
Speaker 1: Gil because they do think as if as long as
Speaker 1: Hurts is able to get healthier, I think they get
Speaker 1: even better and we'll start to see them win a
Speaker 1: little bit more.
Speaker 2: By Martin, see, I think remember there were those two weeks.
Speaker 2: I don't know which weeks they were. They were Week
Speaker 2: four or five or week five or six, whichever weeks
Speaker 2: they were where we came in here, We're like, wow,
Speaker 2: this product has been awful. Just from a viewing standpoint,
Speaker 2: I think besides those two weeks, the NFL has been awesome.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, yesterday was the best Sunday.
Speaker 2: I thought so too, And like, I think the fact
Speaker 2: that we don't know, like the fact that Kansas City
Speaker 2: appears diminished, the fact that Miami and Dallas are bullies,
Speaker 2: the fact that Philly, even though they're winning, feels a
Speaker 2: little less than last year's version, but that Burrow keeps
Speaker 2: doing Burrow things, that the Ravens are sort of lying
Speaker 2: in the weeds, That the Niners, everybody all, they're the
Speaker 2: most complete team. I certainly feel that way, but they
Speaker 2: had some injuries and so now they're five and three.
Speaker 2: People seem I don't know if people have forgotten about
Speaker 2: the Niners right, Like, I just think we have a
Speaker 2: great stretch run, great second half of the season coming up.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Diners, would you like your line update? Yes,
Speaker 1: they're getting smashed this morning. We're up up to three. Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess three? Yeah. I remember I was saying there
Speaker 1: was two and a halves out there there was a
Speaker 1: lot of two and a halves. They're gone because the
Speaker 1: Niners are great, man, they're better footballs coming in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look coming off by right. Deebo is supposed to be back.
Speaker 1: I believe for this game.
Speaker 2: Ken Williams is a big one. Ted Williams is a
Speaker 2: big one. All right, Let's let's do the rest of
Speaker 2: these if we can. Are we still in the afternoon?
Speaker 1: We are commanders at Seahawks, Commanders at Seahawks.
Speaker 2: Four and five commanders. I have the alt season win
Speaker 2: totals over on the Commanders. I got to get them
Speaker 2: to eight and nine. Can they go four and four
Speaker 2: to the rest of the way. They're four and five
Speaker 2: now they're at Seattle. Who's five and three? Does Seattle
Speaker 2: feel fraudulent to you?
Speaker 1: It does, dude to me?
Speaker 2: How old yesterday? By the way, twenty nine to forty
Speaker 2: five for three twenty five in victory, I should say
Speaker 2: over the Patriots one touchdown, one pick, he was sacked
Speaker 2: three times. They outgained New England Washington did four thirty
Speaker 2: two to three twenty seven, and they at time of
Speaker 2: possession them thirty seven ten to twenty two to fifty
Speaker 2: Gino in defeat thirteen Kelly thirteen for twenty eight for
Speaker 2: one fifty seven, no touchdowns, one pick. He was sacked
Speaker 2: four times, he lost the fumble and again. Seattle against
Speaker 2: Baltimore only had six first downs. They were one of
Speaker 2: twelve on third They were out game five fifteen to
Speaker 2: one fifty one, two ninety eight to twenty eight on
Speaker 2: the ground. The ground is supposed to be their bread
Speaker 2: and butter and out time of possession if you will,
Speaker 2: forty ozh four to nineteen fifty six. I put Seattle
Speaker 2: in no man's land five and a half.
Speaker 1: Uh, that is where it opened about five and a half. Six.
Speaker 1: It is mainly six and a half's out there now.
Speaker 1: I did bet Seattle at five and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, Not only are these guesses like really easy this week,
Speaker 2: it sucks because literally I only like one game so far. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I laid the five and a half with Seattle.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. The thing is, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just Gino. We're really just talking about Gino. It's
Speaker 1: a you know, when when the Seahawks played well, we
Speaker 1: want we want to be like, hey, you know, I
Speaker 1: think of last year we forgot made us forget a
Speaker 1: little bit that Gino Smith is still Gino Smith. Like
Speaker 1: there are times where he's gonna lose a game for you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yesterday, the way that game started off,
Speaker 1: they just got they got destroyed in the trenches, like
Speaker 1: there was I got so many texts about Geno. He sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks, suck like so many times. There's a guy
Speaker 1: in his face right away. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I laid it with it, Uh with Seahawks, So you
Speaker 2: did lay the points? Yeah, laid five and a half. Okay,
Speaker 2: laid five and a half.
Speaker 1: All right. I thought that I did think this number
Speaker 1: was gonna move their way too, all right. Sunday night,
Speaker 1: here's a thriller. Jets at Raiders.
Speaker 2: Wow, another prime time barn burner right here, Jets sight unseen.
Speaker 1: They played the Chargers tonight. The flex scheduling is still
Speaker 1: a thing, right, that's still an option?
Speaker 2: Lex away, NFL, what are we waiting? We got plenty
Speaker 2: of flex options. I don't flex doesn't start this early?
Speaker 2: Does It doesn't start this early?
Speaker 1: I thought it did.
Speaker 2: Now Jets are four and three currently. That record will
Speaker 2: change tonight and the Raiders are four and five. That's
Speaker 2: why there's a two game difference because the Jets haven't
Speaker 2: played Raiders O'Connell and victory. Aidan O'Connell sixteen for twenty
Speaker 2: five for two nine against the Giants, Josh Jacobs twenty
Speaker 2: six carries ninety eight yards two touchdowns. Again, they were
Speaker 2: plus two in turnovers against what turned out to be
Speaker 2: the Tommy DeVito led Giants. The Raiders win it in
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce's debut thirty to six. Uh, Jets, real quick?
Speaker 1: I forgot they adjusted this stupid rule. So's they can
Speaker 1: only flex two games betweens Week five and ten, and
Speaker 1: then eleven through seventeen. They can flex whatever, right, So
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. So this is the last
Speaker 1: week where they have the constraint. But have they flexed
Speaker 1: anything yet? I don't know, right, so they should be
Speaker 1: able to hear. I would think this would be the
Speaker 1: one i'd flex out Jets minus two and a half
Speaker 1: on the road. Is I believe you are dead on
Speaker 1: Jets two and a half on the.
Speaker 2: Road, bingo bango, Because Jets have the best unit, right,
Speaker 2: The defense is the best unit by far, So that's
Speaker 2: the handicap.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, against Aidan O'Connell, Jets team so hard to
Speaker 1: bet on or bet against for me at least right now,
Speaker 1: because of that, right, the defense is so good. But then,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, this is a tough week.
Speaker 2: Let's do the last one here Monday Night.
Speaker 1: Monday Night Broncos at Bill's broc somehow the best of
Speaker 1: the three prime time games. Really good God.
Speaker 2: Broncos coming off by the three and five Buffalo five
Speaker 2: and four. The Buffalo Bills are five and four after
Speaker 2: last night. Alan Josh Allen twenty six of thirty eight
Speaker 2: for two fifty eight, one touchdown, one picky sack ones
Speaker 2: eight carries forty four yards in the touchdown, but they
Speaker 2: were minus two and turnovers that led to plus three
Speaker 2: nets Cincinnati points. Yesterday they end up losing by six
Speaker 2: Buffalo minus seven. In the hook, I will say dg
Speaker 2: Ning ning.
Speaker 1: Seven and a half, exactly seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. That might have been the
Speaker 2: easiest week of line guessing. That might have been the
Speaker 2: most accurate collective week of line guessing.
Speaker 1: Every right, think, so, You've actually had a couple this
Speaker 1: year that were really close, But this one, that.
Speaker 2: One is so easy to get through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was typing in your guests as a scorn.
Speaker 1: I was like this, I thought the same thing I was.
Speaker 1: I think this is where Gil might be the closest
Speaker 1: this entire year. Minnesota is the only thing I liked.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing I like the best of
Speaker 1: the bunch was that that was the one where you
Speaker 1: had a different favorite, different favorite. I remember, we're still bouncing.
Speaker 2: I could be talked into a couple others, but that's
Speaker 2: the big one. We'll talk survivor on the other side.
Speaker 1: Who's your MVP at this point?
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Speaker 1: Binlin live at Bar Canada at the d. By the way,
Speaker 1: to our question about Hobbs, you know, what does one
Speaker 1: think of because I refer to Joshua Dobbs as Joshua
Speaker 1: take too long to figure out an actual pull on Twitter,
Speaker 1: so I gave up.
Speaker 2: You know what most people are coming back with? You said, oh,
Speaker 2: the natural or fast Infurioce Calvin and Hobbes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, those are. That is what we're getting
Speaker 1: tweeted the most.
Speaker 2: So we'd be awful on like family feud or match game.
Speaker 2: So we had to tweet sports pick magic. I know
Speaker 2: it wasn't your take, but it's not just gino. When
Speaker 2: you give up thirty seven points in five hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yards and the other team takes a knee at
Speaker 2: the end to keep from completely embarrassing you more than
Speaker 2: just the quarterback. He's absolutely right. Yeah, sure, absolutely right
Speaker 2: about that, Jeff.
Speaker 1: That game was still I think those games, when you
Speaker 1: talk the Lions game against the Ravens and the Seahawks
Speaker 1: game against Ravens, it's almost you can't you can't really
Speaker 1: evaluate much past the first quarter and a half because
Speaker 1: it just turns into a blowout territory. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: dominated in the trenches. That's where it started, though.
Speaker 2: It does run the risk of that. You like, then
Speaker 2: you take your your eye off the ball with the
Speaker 2: Ravens too, right, We're like, oh, you should be paying
Speaker 2: attention to just how badly they're crushing these teams, right,
Speaker 2: Jeff Levine. Oh, he's the ro Kwan Smith guy. No Watts,
Speaker 2: no other ego driven sacks, studs, just to wonderfully coordinate
Speaker 2: and design d steer it on field by leader Roquan Smith.
Speaker 1: Up.
Speaker 2: I will champion this until he gets the recognition he deserves.
Speaker 1: And they're great. He's I mean, nothing he's saying is wrong.
Speaker 2: Jesse Welch. Apparently all you need to do in the
Speaker 2: NFL in order to win is to sign a new
Speaker 2: quarterback every Wednesday and put them in straight off the plane.
Speaker 1: It's a good strategy. It's working out for teams this year.
Speaker 2: So I want to say one thing, so we as
Speaker 2: we go to our Week ten place, I like Minnesota best,
Speaker 2: but obviously we're gonna have to have five contest picks,
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be other bets in it. We're gonna
Speaker 2: be talked into other bets. So I'm just thinking what
Speaker 2: are right now? If you said to me you must
Speaker 2: pick three, right, Minnesota would be one of them. Based
Speaker 2: on the exercise we just went through. I think Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: would be number two. I hate to say it hosting
Speaker 2: green Bay.
Speaker 1: What did you say? The line was three? Is that
Speaker 1: an even three on Pittsburgh? Let me see what we're
Speaker 1: up to?
Speaker 2: Three and a half not as fun, but I think
Speaker 2: maybe Pittsburgh hoasting green Bay. And I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but you know what number three is Dallas laying the
Speaker 2: wood against the Giants, Because couldn't you see Dallas winning
Speaker 2: that by four touchdowns?
Speaker 1: We've seen it a few times already, right.
Speaker 2: I have got I don't love those, but that's what
Speaker 2: my top three would be right now.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I have bet Lions and Seahawks already. Lion's
Speaker 1: gonna pick them. Seahawks set five and a half so
Speaker 1: I guess those would be two of my answers. I
Speaker 1: have no idea the three filling out the other. The
Speaker 1: other three will be tough, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: You really have no problem laying those points with the
Speaker 2: Seahawks against against Washington.
Speaker 1: I could see that going. No, no, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that they are and the Lions. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of these teams in the NFL where it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: am I gonna am? I gonna really trust the Seahawks
Speaker 1: up against top level competition? Probably not? That was probably
Speaker 1: clearly this guy bet and I ended up on with
Speaker 1: them last week in Baltimore. I think them playing against
Speaker 1: the Commanders at home is a completely different story. Yep,
Speaker 1: we say it often. I one week in the NFL
Speaker 1: to the next week is a very different story week
Speaker 1: after week.
Speaker 2: So I don't hate either of them quite frankly.
Speaker 1: Now one and then I bet, I actually bet the
Speaker 1: over on I bet over forty six on Texan, forty
Speaker 1: six and a half on Texans and Bengals.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about MVP for a second. Well,
Speaker 2: first survivor, I'm just gonna go again. We're both out
Speaker 2: of it. Kelly and I have been long gone out
Speaker 2: of Survivor. As we mentioned at the top of the show,
Speaker 2: there are still in Circus Survivor pending the game tonight.
Speaker 2: There are eleven hundred and thirty eight entries left. Eleven
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight. This game hasn't even started yet.
Speaker 2: After week three, before I got bounced with my Washington
Speaker 2: pick against Chicago, I did map out who I would
Speaker 2: pick every week. Sadly, besides that one loss, I'd still
Speaker 2: be in it too, which sucks because I'm rooting for
Speaker 2: a second loss, so I can be clear of it
Speaker 2: in my mind. Also, this past week was either New
Speaker 2: Orleans or Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I probably split them.
Speaker 2: This week is for me because I would have used
Speaker 2: Buffalo already and I have to save Dallas, So this
Speaker 2: week is Cincinnati for me. Cincinnati would would have been
Speaker 2: my Survivor play this week now at the time when
Speaker 2: you were mapping that out, Cincinnati hosting, by the way,
Speaker 2: uh once again, the Houston Texas Houston Texas. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: by the way, I don't love but like that would
Speaker 2: be my pick.
Speaker 1: When you were mapping it. When were you mapping this
Speaker 1: out after week three? So what was Joe Burrow's status though? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean that was what would you You don't think
Speaker 1: your answer would change on Cincinnati, I'm not saving them, No,
Speaker 1: I for what When I was going through them, it
Speaker 1: was like, okay, when is when is the most optimal
Speaker 1: time to use them?
Speaker 2: Do I need to save them Cincinnati? I was like,
Speaker 2: I can get by the weeks where Burrow's getting healthier.
Speaker 2: Wait till week nine, play them at Houston. This is
Speaker 2: play them at home against.
Speaker 1: Uston they got Obviously they're on the toughest division at football.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have some tough games coming up. I am
Speaker 1: rooting for me to lose one of these, just so
Speaker 1: I get. I don't know the mental thing, oh that
Speaker 1: one game.
Speaker 2: Then, as far as MVP and the reason I bring
Speaker 2: this up again because obviously, again we said c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud Offensive Rookie of the Year. It's done, barring god
Speaker 2: forbid an injury.
Speaker 1: It's his.
Speaker 2: Setting records. Yesterday yardage for rookies matched it with touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But MVP continues to be fascinating. And the reason I
Speaker 2: bring it up again is because last week we had
Speaker 2: multiple guests on the show, and each one of them right,
Speaker 2: I'll just use two as an example. Before I could
Speaker 2: even finish the sentence, Kelly right with Drew Dinzik, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's Patrick Mahomes and basically you were saying on his
Speaker 2: podcast he essentially is like, and if you don't think
Speaker 2: it's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: You're you're wrong. No, no, that's not what he would say.
Speaker 1: He was just saying people hadn't been given him enough
Speaker 1: due credit, basically leading in weeks like it.
Speaker 2: Phrased my way better, Eric Eager, Doctor, Eric Eager. Before
Speaker 2: I could finish the sentence, was like, Josh Allen, period,
Speaker 2: the analytics folks love them. Else from Josh Allen, Ah,
Speaker 2: you think either of those guys at the MVP, I
Speaker 2: don't like.
Speaker 1: Do you think either of them leaps off the page
Speaker 1: as the MVY No, no, no, no, I don't off
Speaker 1: the page. I think that's why the odds are what
Speaker 1: they are right now to an updated MVP odds, Well,
Speaker 1: i'll give them to you right now.
Speaker 2: Lamar's plus three fitty, and so's Jalen Hurts, and so's
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. We have co co co favorites. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that that says it all right. It's fairly
Speaker 2: accurately priced. TUA drops to plus six fifty and Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: who we recommended on the show last week at twenty
Speaker 2: to one, is seven to one, and then Christian McCaffrey's
Speaker 2: fourteen to one. Tyreeth remains forty to one, Josh Allen
Speaker 2: twenty to one, Trevor Lawrence twenty to one, brought Purty
Speaker 2: twenty five to one. Some people were floating Jared Goff
Speaker 2: last week. He's forty to one. Justin Herbert's fifty to one.
Speaker 2: Dak is fifty to one.
Speaker 1: What if I told you? What if I told you
Speaker 1: there was a court back out there? Yeah? Okay, Who's
Speaker 1: played in eight games so not nine like a lot
Speaker 1: of these other guys have. Yeah, is still seventh in
Speaker 1: the league in passing yards, has thrown fourteen touchdowns and
Speaker 1: has one interception, and his team does not have a
Speaker 1: winning record, does not have a winning record, trying to think,
Speaker 1: I don't ever what are you so bad with the
Speaker 1: records as I am, because all we do is bet,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care. I don't give what your win loss.
Speaker 2: Know, I ca consult the standing that I tell you
Speaker 2: what the records are? Who are you referring to A A.
Speaker 1: CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 2: Okay, he's not winning MVP. Yeah, I know, but he's
Speaker 2: winning Rookie.
Speaker 1: Of the Year. I mean, a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: were talking about his stats are right up there.
Speaker 2: I just keep getting to the Lamar Jackson thing. Right
Speaker 2: in the same way that we're just staring the Ravens
Speaker 2: every staring at the Ravens every week. They're the only
Speaker 2: team literally that you can say they should be nine
Speaker 2: to zero, in the same way that we stare at
Speaker 2: them and we don't for whatever reason, we don't want
Speaker 2: to put them at the top. Are we also staring
Speaker 2: at Lamar Jackson in this MVP marketing saying the same thing?
Speaker 2: He's plus three fifty. I know it's not that sexy.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that it is, but is he like
Speaker 2: if they go, well't this? I mean, I guess then
Speaker 2: we could say this about Jalen Hurts too. If the
Speaker 2: Eagles or the who ends up with the best, right,
Speaker 2: If the Eagles go fifteen and two or the Ravens
Speaker 2: go fifteen in two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If they both go fifteen in two, that immediately, you know,
Speaker 2: nullifies the question because then you can't answer it.
Speaker 1: But if one of them.
Speaker 2: Goes fifteen and two, and they have the best record
Speaker 2: in all of football and they play the whole way through?
Speaker 2: Aren't they kind of the MVP off nobody else?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, and it's that was largely Yes. Drew was
Speaker 1: bringing up the Homes when he was saying this, but
Speaker 1: his whole when he brought this up two or three
Speaker 1: weeks applies to Mahomes too. Two or three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: he brought this up where he thought, whoever finished with
Speaker 1: the one seed in the AFC he did that quarterback
Speaker 1: would be your MVP. And the only reason I'm saying
Speaker 1: it that way though, is because no one has stood out,
Speaker 1: so it becomes a tiebreaker. No, I completely agree, right
Speaker 1: because I believe who has stood out. I believe it
Speaker 1: was Tyreek Hill till this past weekend, right, Like I
Speaker 1: believe in terms of you're just doing it based on
Speaker 1: historical performance.
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill ought to be your MVP. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess we've already discussed that at nauseam. But Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: with an injury, they stink. Now he doesn't have an injury,
Speaker 2: They're awesome. I mean, you could make a case it's a.
Speaker 1: Reason why he went from twenty to twenty to one
Speaker 1: to seven to one, right in over a weekend.
Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, Josh Allen, who is clearly
Speaker 2: not the MVP, but like, if you take him off
Speaker 2: the bills.
Speaker 1: How bad are they? Exactly?
Speaker 2: This is the most wide open MVP discussion we've ever
Speaker 2: had at the halfway market the season. And then there's
Speaker 2: Brock Purty chilling at twenty five to one, who's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what if we were awesome.
Speaker 1: In the end. My answer is this, I don't know
Speaker 1: to bet. I don't know if you forced me to bet,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know who to bet on. Today. We've done
Speaker 1: all we can do.
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