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Speaker 1: And now your host Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: Today is Thursday, April twentieth, twenty twenty three, and officially
Speaker 3: one week.
Speaker 4: Out from the NFL Draft in Kansas City.
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Speaker 3: As we welcome you back into the SWBC studios. We've
Speaker 3: got Ryan brot us Zach Waltschuk, Ayisha Morrison, Chris Beam
Speaker 3: is back in the building, Jasmine Marshall back there doing
Speaker 3: a great job as well. I'm Kyle Yeomans. All right,
Speaker 3: one week out here we go. Buckle up everybody, but
Speaker 3: we hadn't been buckled in already.
Speaker 5: I mean, man, I'm getting buckled in now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're just now getting strapped in.
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel like you're getting a pretty decent
Speaker 2: handle where some things might go, Not just so much
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys, but just kind of what positions you
Speaker 2: think where maybe some runs are gonna happen. You got
Speaker 2: anybody people going to trade up for? Talking about that,
Speaker 2: got any of those guys in mind. I mean, I
Speaker 2: definitely think we're gonna see the first round.
Speaker 4: What do you got the.
Speaker 5: Crazy first round? What do you I don't know. I
Speaker 5: talked about Houston, right, Yeah. Two, I think the crazy
Speaker 5: team that might make this very interesting is Tennessee. It
Speaker 5: seems like the Titans have been hunting quarterbacks in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: We got the report that they were flirting with maybe
Speaker 5: another quarterback trade option San Francisco. I think, much like
Speaker 5: we saw last year with AJ Brown, Hollywood Brown, you
Speaker 5: had Night one trades. They it might be players, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe that's when you see a Hopkins trade happen, you know,
Speaker 5: for instance. So now I think, more than ever, it's
Speaker 5: not just about hey, what is there a player that
Speaker 5: a team wants to trade up for? It's our team's
Speaker 5: moving picks to acquire veterans, which we haven't seen a
Speaker 5: ton of. Last year was really the start of that.
Speaker 6: It's funny that you mentioned Tennessee because if you saw
Speaker 6: them this past offseason, they had a lot of guys
Speaker 6: that were if I'm not mistaken, like even Derrick Henry
Speaker 6: at some point in time they were talking about they
Speaker 6: were kind of shopping yet what I mean, yeah, so
Speaker 6: and then they have I feel like they have other
Speaker 6: defensive players as well that people were interested in, like, Hey,
Speaker 6: is this guy going to be a free agent? What
Speaker 6: is he going to do? So they do have some
Speaker 6: people on their team that have value. The Titans are
Speaker 6: no sleepers, Like at the offensive side is where they
Speaker 6: struggled predominantly because of the quarterback. It sounds like they
Speaker 6: feel like they know what they have and h is
Speaker 6: a elite will.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they like what they have there.
Speaker 6: Alis don't miss somebody else say, I was just trying
Speaker 6: to throw it out.
Speaker 3: I think he's still a quarterback that can develop and
Speaker 3: he'll be okay. But when it comes to their future,
Speaker 3: they really think that they can win now Tennessee can.
Speaker 3: So if you need to be aggressive, you need to
Speaker 3: go up and get somebody. That's one place that could
Speaker 3: possibly see that happen.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you where I would be if the things
Speaker 2: that I'm studying right now, and I used to be
Speaker 2: in the pro side of things. So you've got to
Speaker 2: figure out what team's needs are and what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Worry now about teams trading ahead of you. You know
Speaker 2: who who behind you can trade up? Kansas City super aggressive, Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: super aggressive, New Orleans, super aggressive Cincinnati. You know, you
Speaker 2: call Cincinnati and say, hey, Duke Brian brought us here,
Speaker 2: you know, Duke Tobin.
Speaker 7: Then hey Brian, how's it going? Oh great? Well, just
Speaker 7: want to make sure your phone work.
Speaker 2: You know, usually Cincinnati is not a team that will move,
Speaker 2: you know, Buffalo, there's another team you know maybe maybe
Speaker 2: you know, teams are trying to find those pockets where
Speaker 2: their players that they really really like are going to
Speaker 2: potentially fall, and then how do you get to that spot.
Speaker 7: To get there?
Speaker 2: So if you're the Cowboys, you have to do your
Speaker 2: homework in this one. Maybe somebody coming from the second round, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Indianapolis. We'll see what they do up at
Speaker 2: the top of the board. There's there's talk to I mean,
Speaker 2: we've seen some stuff. I know on our show on
Speaker 2: one oh five to three the Fan yesterday, we talked about,
Speaker 2: or maybe a couple of days ago about Bill Barnwall
Speaker 2: I think did a thing of possible trades, and one
Speaker 2: of the trades was Indianapolis coming from thirty five to
Speaker 2: Dallas at twenty six, and then you picked up a
Speaker 2: pick one oh six, which is a fourth round. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: this is where it's interesting. If you're interested in doing that,
Speaker 2: I'll say it interesting a lot there.
Speaker 5: That's okay, but it is interesting.
Speaker 7: It is interesting.
Speaker 2: I say it that many times if you're interested in
Speaker 2: that kind of a trade, if you're going to fall
Speaker 2: out of the first and go to thirty and go
Speaker 2: to thirty five and to pick up one o six.
Speaker 2: The way the draft breaks down is round one is
Speaker 2: the first night, two and three the second night, and
Speaker 2: then Saturday, when we really start the marathon, will be
Speaker 2: the start of round four. Round four. You tell me
Speaker 2: that pick at one oh six, that's the fourth pick
Speaker 2: to start the day.
Speaker 6: Set the table.
Speaker 4: Yeah, boom boom.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's one of those things too where you
Speaker 2: look at it and you say, what might be worth
Speaker 2: it to us to drop back to that thirty five
Speaker 2: pick up one oh six And you're now you're kind
Speaker 2: of cooking with grease a little bit there, because you
Speaker 2: got you got that pick at one o six and
Speaker 2: then you've got your own pick down there at one
Speaker 2: twenty nine. So if it's worth it to you, to
Speaker 2: entertain like that. I always felt like when you were
Speaker 2: dealing with the start of the fourth round, it was
Speaker 2: to start that day. People weren't gonna let you in
Speaker 2: because they're guys that might have been on their board
Speaker 2: in the third round that now they're sleeping on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now they're the draft is over after night too, and
Speaker 2: they're looking at their board and they're going, we still
Speaker 2: got some second round guys up on that board. We
Speaker 2: got a third round guy up on that board. We
Speaker 2: need to go get well.
Speaker 3: Think about last year specifically, they really wanted a tight
Speaker 3: end going into round number four, and then the first
Speaker 3: pick of the fourth round Kate Otton boom off the table.
Speaker 3: A couple picks later, Daniel Bellinger boom off the table.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they go up and they set the
Speaker 3: table for day three last year, they might get one
Speaker 3: of those tight ends that they probably coveted more so
Speaker 3: than Jake Ferguson. They feel good about Jack, but they
Speaker 3: liked Otton and they liked Bellinger.
Speaker 2: I'm interested, and you're absolutely right. I am interested in
Speaker 2: trading with teams like Houston, Arizona, Indy and maybe Seattle
Speaker 2: because what that does I don't want to trade with
Speaker 2: teams that are in the back end of the draft
Speaker 2: because the picks. When we start to talk about the
Speaker 2: Indie pick that we just mentioned, that's the top of
Speaker 2: the fourth round. Sure, I'm not interested in your bottom
Speaker 2: of the round, fourth round pick.
Speaker 7: That's almost like a five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want some value if I'm going to move,
Speaker 2: if I'm going to give up a fifth year option,
Speaker 2: and maybe you give up a fifth year option. The
Speaker 2: thing about it is, I don't know if they'll give
Speaker 2: up a fifth year option for a running back. Now
Speaker 2: if Bjeon Robinson, if it looks like that Bjon and
Speaker 2: I think I honestly do believe they will take b
Speaker 2: Jeon Robinson if he's there twenty six.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think they will.
Speaker 5: Oh, it might be the best value pick of the
Speaker 5: entire first round, but you.
Speaker 2: Need you need his fifth year option. It's got to
Speaker 2: be part of the equation, you know. Somebody has to
Speaker 2: really make you want to get out of there to
Speaker 2: give that up. I think there's certain positions you can
Speaker 2: give up the fifth year option and they're okay, like guard, guard,
Speaker 2: tight end, you know, stuff like that. I think running back,
Speaker 2: wide receiver, quarterbacks, those guys. Yeah, you want that fifth
Speaker 2: year option because you want that extra year of control.
Speaker 2: So to me, the fifth year option, if if if
Speaker 2: Robinson's sliding in their in their intent, that might make
Speaker 2: that might be hard for them to move. If Robinson's gone,
Speaker 2: I think they can make that trade and then they
Speaker 2: could still grab the guard or the tight end that
Speaker 2: they want it at thirty five.
Speaker 3: So if you're talking best case scenario for a team
Speaker 3: that wants to trade up and you fall back into
Speaker 3: the front part of the second round, would it be
Speaker 3: beat Jean sitting there at at twenty six or would
Speaker 3: it be one of these quarterbacks, Like let let's say
Speaker 3: a Handon Hooker falls to twenty six, he's still on
Speaker 3: the board. Yeah, teams want that extra year, extra year
Speaker 3: because he's not gonna play.
Speaker 2: I think I think I think Zach when he did
Speaker 2: the mock draft and and he picked Tendon Hooker, and
Speaker 2: we all kind of looked at each other and went,
Speaker 2: all right, that's.
Speaker 7: That's that's kind of fun, kind of creative. I think
Speaker 7: it's reality now.
Speaker 2: I think it's reality for some teams that that you know,
Speaker 2: like I say, the team that I would worry, the
Speaker 2: team that I would worry behind me. You know that,
Speaker 2: like I say, those teams could be super aggressive in
Speaker 2: the way they do it. And but you know, look
Speaker 2: at a team like what if Seattle. You know what
Speaker 2: if Seattle goes through there. Now, Seattle's got a couple
Speaker 2: of a couple of picks in this thing that that
Speaker 2: they can you know, they can, they can if they
Speaker 2: need a quarterback or talk about getting a quarterback. They
Speaker 2: kind of got those couple of picks to work for
Speaker 2: they are five and twenty. Yeah, but they could also
Speaker 2: they could also be a team that trades back into
Speaker 2: this thing as well. Yeah, you know, And so that's
Speaker 2: kind of where but I would be worried if I'm
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, if I'm the Pro Department, you know, the
Speaker 2: guys upstairs. I'm trying to gauge the teams behind me,
Speaker 2: what their needs are, who potentially could be there when
Speaker 2: we're doing these mock drafts and we're and start to
Speaker 2: plot that maybe that we might get traded ahead of
Speaker 2: if we're we're if we're wanting to sit on some
Speaker 2: of these guys, well, let's let's play.
Speaker 4: Around with some of those scenarios a little bit.
Speaker 3: Because even if you do stick in at twenty six
Speaker 3: and you pick, there's gonna be positions that you I
Speaker 3: don't want to say neglect, but you just push a
Speaker 3: little bit further down the way, because if you pick
Speaker 3: a tight end, you don't have to really pick tight
Speaker 3: end the rest.
Speaker 4: Of the day.
Speaker 3: But you might have to go pick up an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: You may have to go pick up a corner or
Speaker 3: a linebacker especially. So I want to give some Day two,
Speaker 3: Day three options for if the Cowboys take their roadmap
Speaker 3: one way with positions in the first round, got and
Speaker 3: how you could kind of be valued in the second round.
Speaker 3: And I'm want to start with offensive line. Let's say
Speaker 3: the Cowboys do not pick an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 3: first round.
Speaker 2: Offensive lineman being a tackle or guard or just a guard.
Speaker 4: We'll say, we'll say a tackle or a guard.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, okay, I think I think both are
Speaker 3: on the table here, right. Okay, So let's say offensive
Speaker 3: line they do not pick one in the first round,
Speaker 3: which looks to be.
Speaker 4: A possibility, not a likelihood.
Speaker 3: What are some day to Day three guys you would
Speaker 3: feel very comfortable with being on your football team.
Speaker 2: I think they would absolutely take Zavala from North Carolina State,
Speaker 2: the guard that that Ayisha has put us up a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 7: A long time ago. Zavala.
Speaker 2: I think Bradford from LSU would be a consideration there. Steen,
Speaker 2: the tackle from Alabama, I think would be a consideration
Speaker 2: there as well.
Speaker 6: Talk to me about Talk to me, y'all, Talk to y'all,
Speaker 6: talk me into Bradford.
Speaker 5: I'm all about Bradford.
Speaker 6: Somebody do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the fourth round I would be all about him.
Speaker 5: He doesn't look like an amazing athlete, but I think
Speaker 5: he moves well enough to get out in space. He
Speaker 5: plays with a ton of power, does a good job
Speaker 5: of pulling across the line to pick up will Anderson,
Speaker 5: and he blocked him really well. I think he gets mean.
Speaker 5: He is a mean blocker. He will pancake in the
Speaker 5: run game. He's got a good base, makes up for
Speaker 5: poor positioning, but gives a little shoved to knock down
Speaker 5: a rusher if they get by him. He needs see
Speaker 5: it better with his hand fighting. That was the one
Speaker 5: thing about him. But I thought, you know, you're playing
Speaker 5: against a big talented player like a Jalen Carter. In
Speaker 5: the SEC championship game, he really wowed me in that one.
Speaker 5: He stood out, he flashed and I think Anthony Bradford.
Speaker 5: To me, if you were to not get one of
Speaker 5: your guys in the first or second round, that would
Speaker 5: be my number one guard target in the fourth.
Speaker 2: Okay, So to me, if it was guard targets, I mean,
Speaker 2: I I like what you're saying. I should you have
Speaker 2: something that did you see him and not? Do you
Speaker 2: have an opinion that you're going the.
Speaker 7: Other way on?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: I just I just want to know more about him, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Would all right now if you're if you're talking about
Speaker 2: would you take a tackle? I mentioned Steen. I think
Speaker 2: Bergeron is gone in the third round. So to me,
Speaker 2: if you told me, if you told me like, okay,
Speaker 2: I could get Bergeron. If Bergeron or Bradford's there in
Speaker 2: the third or Zavala, I'm taking Bergeron's who I'm taking.
Speaker 5: Let me throw out this name for you guys. This
Speaker 5: would be a Day three Player's got one after you
Speaker 5: me later.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 5: And this, this guyd to me is being slept on
Speaker 5: a little bit. Ryan Hayes from Michigan. Okay, big guy,
Speaker 5: six foot seven. I saw him throw people around, man,
Speaker 5: I watched him against Penn State.
Speaker 4: I have him right now.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 5: Probably the fifth that's I have him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have him as player one't eighty two, So
Speaker 7: go ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I mean interrupt, No, And I think he'd
Speaker 5: be great Valve Brown. He's got a good bays. He's athletic,
Speaker 5: he can get out in space, gets to the second level.
Speaker 5: I thought he dominated van Ness in the Iowa game.
Speaker 4: He fires off the ball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: I'm just fires off the ball. I'm just kidding. I'm
Speaker 7: just kidding.
Speaker 5: Shots drives in the run game. He's got power. I mean, heck.
Speaker 5: He was a starter for two college football playoff teams
Speaker 5: there at Michigan at left tackle. And to me, he's
Speaker 5: one of those guys you look at experience, and you know,
Speaker 5: we saw this with running son at Michigan as well.
Speaker 7: Got I scouted his dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well guess what, he's a starter in the NFL now,
Speaker 5: And he went late Day three because people thought, oh,
Speaker 5: he's not that athletic, he's too tall. I think Ryan
Speaker 5: Hayes is a better prospect.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I to me that I think you got the guy
Speaker 2: absolutely right. He's he was a start at left tackle
Speaker 2: for Michigan. I think he will project to the right side. Okay,
Speaker 2: as if what I would have to guess because to me,
Speaker 2: I mean, he will surprise you with his the movement
Speaker 2: that he gets in the running game. And I felt
Speaker 2: like that, you know, the combo block stuffs really got.
Speaker 7: I think that's super important with what you have to
Speaker 7: do with.
Speaker 2: I think there's some balance and position issues, but not
Speaker 2: to the point where he's gonna end up on the
Speaker 2: ground right, you know. And so that's where I kind
Speaker 2: of felt like, I don't know if I want him
Speaker 2: on the left side, but maybe as a right tackle
Speaker 2: that but he does run his guy past the quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is going to not let that guy
Speaker 2: just have a free shot at his guy. So you know,
Speaker 2: but watch that Iowa game exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You know, he gave up a little ground, but he
Speaker 2: kept himself between the defendant of the quarterback. So I man,
Speaker 2: I I don't I think you're absolute right. I think
Speaker 2: the fifth round, if you're looking at a guy like
Speaker 2: that six ' six, we're a really good offensive line
Speaker 2: playing a lot of big games.
Speaker 7: I don't think Ryan Hayes is a bad get there.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Also too, I mean I gave him crap when
Speaker 6: we first started the show because of all the smiling,
Speaker 6: but Blake Freeland out a BYU, I know because of the.
Speaker 7: Same bottle of wine.
Speaker 3: For those guys are shot them touching tags. It's seventeen
Speaker 3: and eighteen, very similar.
Speaker 10: Both guys.
Speaker 5: They lacked the bend right, yeah, because they're so tall
Speaker 5: so they can get a little upright. But I think
Speaker 5: both show pretty good athleticism for this painting. I should
Speaker 5: go painting.
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, he tested super well, obviously, but I felt like,
Speaker 6: I feel like his arms are long enough to kind
Speaker 6: of deal with some of those, uh those edge rushers
Speaker 6: and keep him at bay. His initial punch is good,
Speaker 6: he can gather the contact. I said, I didn't. I
Speaker 6: didn't hate his pad level the thought the way I
Speaker 6: thought I would when I'm telling you when I when
Speaker 6: I Brian talked about it, I thought he was well.
Speaker 6: I saw how he tested the combine. Very bar to
Speaker 6: ignore how well he tested. If I'm not mistaken, he
Speaker 6: has some lineage like his family's athletes or something like that.
Speaker 6: So but when you look at tape, you say, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's tall, so is he gonna deal with the same
Speaker 6: Similar to kind of how you feel about Dwan Jones,
Speaker 6: Like I'm scared about these edgy bendy speed rushers coming
Speaker 6: on coming across and the world coming around him. But uh,
Speaker 6: I think his uh, he's gonna win with his lateral
Speaker 6: lateral quickness, his feet.
Speaker 2: That's you got him. Movement is key to this guy's game.
Speaker 2: It is not about I mean, but I said, for
Speaker 2: a tall guy, I didn't see great knee bend. I
Speaker 2: know did He's a little stiff and he's he's six ' eight, Brian,
Speaker 2: what the hell you expect?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, that's the kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But I think he needs to be the scheme where
Speaker 2: it's more athletic based than power based, yes, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense right, And I think Hayes is the opposite.
Speaker 5: I think Hayes plays more power.
Speaker 4: He's more of a power.
Speaker 6: Guys well, which is what I personally feel like a
Speaker 6: lot of it dependent on the flavor, like you talk
Speaker 6: about your ice cream, is what I think a lot
Speaker 6: of offenses are looking for more athletic offensive line because
Speaker 6: the guys, even the guys that have power, we're excited
Speaker 6: about their power, But how well do your feet move
Speaker 6: like that? That's the problem that people worry about. What
Speaker 6: Osar's torrents and stuff like, how well do you do
Speaker 6: you move? Yeah? I see the power, but can you
Speaker 6: get to the second level. We're doing a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff in space and stuff in this and this NFL.
Speaker 6: So yeah, these offensive linemen do need to be athletes.
Speaker 6: I think this guy could be in the fifth round.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know a lot of people have him
Speaker 6: in the in the like later rounds, but I think
Speaker 6: he can be late fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 4: I've got I don't think you're I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I'll throw one more name at you. I had one though, Okay,
Speaker 5: you go for it.
Speaker 7: So I know we're in the sport code today.
Speaker 4: It looks Hey, thanks man.
Speaker 3: Jalen Duncan, offensive tackle from Maryland L Day two.
Speaker 6: Guys, he was a guy. He was a guy that
Speaker 6: Brian was kind of interested in early but fell I
Speaker 6: think he kind of felt.
Speaker 5: People kind of pushed him down the border line to
Speaker 5: hear it.
Speaker 7: You want to hear it from Maryland? Right? I got
Speaker 7: I got him in the fourth round.
Speaker 4: Okay, I got him.
Speaker 2: He's player one thirty six for me on my on
Speaker 2: my board. So let you want me, just you want
Speaker 2: me to get you, let me keep Duncan here. Uh, Jalen
Speaker 2: done a great way of spelling. Jalen by the way,
Speaker 2: j A E. L y in love that perfect Uh.
Speaker 2: He's the start left tackle for the Terps. He does
Speaker 2: does it look as big on tape as he's listed.
Speaker 2: He's got really good He's a really good foot athlete.
Speaker 2: The movement for a man his size, he's a movement
Speaker 2: to his game. He gets away with the lot from
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, absolutely no problem, no wasted movement,
Speaker 2: no laboring at all. Kicks back and position, balance with
Speaker 2: hands are in position, He's ready to strike.
Speaker 7: The balance, the body control is all there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see a guy that gets over
Speaker 2: the tops of his toes and gets top heavy.
Speaker 7: The base is ready to go.
Speaker 2: He could get some movement in the running game, he
Speaker 2: gets his block, keeps his feet going. You know, he's
Speaker 2: got no problems to require the blocks that require him
Speaker 2: to reach or to cut off or to pull or any.
Speaker 7: Of that stuff.
Speaker 2: So the only thing is I kind of dinged him
Speaker 2: on is when he does get in space, he will
Speaker 2: locate his guy.
Speaker 7: But he needs a little bit better sustain a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know that sometimes you get that one shot and
Speaker 2: then you kind of fall off. That happens to him
Speaker 2: sometimes in space. But my final line was big time athlete.
Speaker 5: For the position, very athletic, and I don't know, I
Speaker 5: wonder if you agree with this. I did have a
Speaker 5: note that bull rushers will power him back into the
Speaker 5: lap of the quarterback.
Speaker 6: He loves his chest open sometimes play. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 6: loves his chest open sometimes. Sometimes I think the hand
Speaker 6: fighting can get him, but he did. If I'm not
Speaker 6: heard right, he was working in Dallas, training here in Dallas,
Speaker 6: those guys, so he might be. He's in close, in
Speaker 6: close proximity somewhat, so I like that on the radar.
Speaker 4: Just ben eye on him. That's kind of why.
Speaker 7: He's a good player and real good athlete for sure.
Speaker 3: And I love working with you guys because my pros
Speaker 3: for him are his best rate is control and balance,
Speaker 3: like what Brian just said, and my cons are play
Speaker 3: strength and hand placements.
Speaker 7: If that's the case, if you're agreeing with us, then.
Speaker 5: I don't know, get on this.
Speaker 2: You want to be a little bit like, aha, we
Speaker 2: you don't always agree with us, and then that way
Speaker 2: when it turns out she's right and we're wrong.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do want to get to Twitter on the
Speaker 3: twenty quickly. But you had another name, Yeah, just one name.
Speaker 3: And this is a small school cat, all right, Grand
Speaker 3: Valley State.
Speaker 4: Quinton Barrow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Quinton Barrow, small school.
Speaker 7: I watched.
Speaker 5: I was only able to find a couple of games
Speaker 5: on him. He's a tackle, he started at left tackle.
Speaker 7: Can you tell me what their nicknames are?
Speaker 5: I think he's a guard. Grand Valley State, don't ask
Speaker 5: me questions. Lakers, the Lakers, Lakers perfect, that's I guess
Speaker 5: there's a bunch of lakes there in the Grand Valley.
Speaker 5: I was about to say, there is again que U
Speaker 5: I N T O N and then Barrow. And he's
Speaker 5: the guy that moves his feet really well. He's in
Speaker 5: solid base. I think he looks athletic enough to be
Speaker 5: able to move in space and poll. He's got a
Speaker 5: good skill set to work with like he's a developmental player.
Speaker 5: I think he needs to improve his hand fighting, but
Speaker 5: he stays in front of his guy who wins a
Speaker 5: lot of one v one opportunities. I think he's a
Speaker 5: fifth rounder that has value at guard with upside, So
Speaker 5: I'd kick him inside. I wouldn't play him at tackle,
Speaker 5: but as a small school prospect. I like him quite
Speaker 5: a bit.
Speaker 2: He's six ' five, he's three thirty, and you're right.
Speaker 2: He was a left tackle for the Lakers. He doesn't
Speaker 2: give up any ground when you watch him, what.
Speaker 7: He's gonna take over? You have, Anthony Davis, are you
Speaker 7: having Are you having basketball flashbacks over there? I heard
Speaker 7: you on the radio talking Golden State Warriors last night.
Speaker 7: People don't know, like just like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she knows more about this basketball stuff, but you don't.
Speaker 2: I could tell you what you were talking about to apologize, don't.
Speaker 7: You don't hide your feelings about that.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: But this guy's got.
Speaker 2: Excellent awareness and blocking vision. When you watch him play,
Speaker 2: I mean he's pick he's always looking for someone to hit.
Speaker 2: He does have a nasty attitude because he'll try and
Speaker 2: finish his guys off. He buries opponents. He played in
Speaker 2: the East West game and he's not the most polished blocker.
Speaker 2: But I think he's got the right attitude about blocking.
Speaker 4: Oh, I like it. Small school guys.
Speaker 3: We're gonna hit some small school guys in the third
Speaker 3: segment as well.
Speaker 4: Maybe some of these guys over there under the radar.
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Speaker 10: What's up, Dave?
Speaker 4: Holly Woo?
Speaker 10: Can I can I just tell y'all something real quick?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 9: Every time I check in on the show, like I'm
Speaker 9: out here in regular media land, where you know, if
Speaker 9: you're talking draft, it's b Jon Robinson or quarterbacks and
Speaker 9: every time I check in on the show, y'all are
Speaker 9: telling me about a guard from Grand Valley. That is
Speaker 9: the value of the Draft show, right there, Like miss me,
Speaker 9: miss me with all the cliche stuff, and just tell
Speaker 9: me about some badasses from the meac.
Speaker 2: You know that bus league. Man, you got to grab
Speaker 2: a player or two from the bus league, right you know?
Speaker 7: Got that.
Speaker 9: Look, I'm totally I'm gonna take everything I just learned
Speaker 9: in the first segment and pretend like I watched all
Speaker 9: those guys, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You know, David, I remember this about you when you
Speaker 2: came to work at dallascowboys dot com. Like nobody wanted
Speaker 2: you on a show, but you we took you on
Speaker 2: the Draft Show. So you're a big, big You're a
Speaker 2: big part of this man. You're a big part of
Speaker 2: what we do.
Speaker 10: You know, you're now.
Speaker 2: You're on TV making hundreds of millions of dollars because
Speaker 2: you were on the Draft Show.
Speaker 10: Of millions.
Speaker 9: Let's not let's not let's not exact rate, all right,
Speaker 9: let's not do that.
Speaker 10: But no, but I think you know that's a good point.
Speaker 10: Maybe that's why I love the Draft so much.
Speaker 9: As it was the first like home I found in
Speaker 9: football media, and I'm glad that. I'm glad y'all obviously
Speaker 9: I'm glad y'all are carrying it on. But like, yeah,
Speaker 9: like I'm loving the new cast. I love, you know,
Speaker 9: people getting the shot to show their stuff. Y'all are
Speaker 9: killing it. Man, this is awesome.
Speaker 4: I love the tour that we're getting him here.
Speaker 7: What it's like, it's Blair Witch project right now? What
Speaker 7: are you doing?
Speaker 10: Do you all have? I didn't realize you're on camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're camera.
Speaker 2: You're drinking whiskey and you're and you're on camera, so
Speaker 2: you like the hood up it's coffee.
Speaker 9: Okay, Well I'm glad y'all told me that before I
Speaker 9: like changed outfits for today.
Speaker 2: We got to know, you gotta go put on that
Speaker 2: royal blue blazer you wear with the green scarf for
Speaker 2: something years.
Speaker 9: It's my my glamorous, my glamorous Los Angeles apartment.
Speaker 4: It's sideways day.
Speaker 7: It's sideways in the Sideways camp going Dave. Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: like you're a villainy batman and there you go. I'm
Speaker 7: thirty four.
Speaker 10: He doesn't cooperate with me the way it used to.
Speaker 2: All Right, hey, you said National Media. You talked about Bijon.
Speaker 2: Are you are people totally buying into all that? I
Speaker 2: kind of we all feel like that the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: will take him if he's there at twenty six. Do
Speaker 2: you feel the same way? Are you kind of dancing
Speaker 2: somewhere else?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 9: I mean, if if Bijon's there, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 9: would run to the podium, unless unless something crazier happens,
Speaker 9: Like I don't know, you know, if if if like
Speaker 9: a Jackson Smith and Jigbu fell twenty six or something
Speaker 9: crazy like that, maybe you think about it. But I
Speaker 9: have a feeling, Jon No, I know for a fact
Speaker 9: Bijon's gonna start being the best prospect on the board
Speaker 9: after like the eighth PI or maybe even earlier than that.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I absolutely think Cowboys would do it. I
Speaker 10: just think you lose me when you're talking about like
Speaker 10: trading up into the teens. Yeah, to do it.
Speaker 9: That's and that's kind of that's the smoke screen that
Speaker 9: seems to be going on right now.
Speaker 10: But that's what I love about.
Speaker 9: That's what I love about the Draft show is like
Speaker 9: I mean, y'all know y'all have cut through the bs,
Speaker 9: like weeks ago, and I will say it seems like
Speaker 9: it's harder than ever to know what the Cowboys are doing.
Speaker 10: Whether that's a credit to Mike McCarthy or whoever. But
Speaker 10: even still, I think, I think.
Speaker 9: If you listen to this show, you have a much
Speaker 9: better idea of what to expect than most. And yeah,
Speaker 9: if Bjon's there, I think they would do it. But
Speaker 9: other than that, I'm not expecting anything crazy.
Speaker 3: What if Bjon's not available, if he's not there at
Speaker 3: all and he goes kind of where he's expected, like
Speaker 3: maybe in those teens and the Cowboys stick and pick
Speaker 3: a twenty six, who do you think would be the
Speaker 3: most likely from the outside looking in like this, of
Speaker 3: where they could end up being making that pick? Okay,
Speaker 3: So I mean sitting down by the way, I was
Speaker 3: really I was really worried about you man.
Speaker 10: When your you and your motion, you and your motions.
Speaker 2: I was I was getting, you know exactly what I
Speaker 2: was thinking, exactly.
Speaker 7: He knows, exactly knows me, he knows when he's moving
Speaker 7: around like that, I couldn't even watch.
Speaker 10: Yeah, can you get okay? Can I just use this space.
Speaker 4: And talk about a player what I want?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm gonna.
Speaker 10: Like, We've all we all know about the tight ends.
Speaker 10: We all know.
Speaker 9: I think Darnell Wright is obviously a name that's gotten
Speaker 9: a lot of attention in the last like week, week
Speaker 9: or two.
Speaker 10: But the two names. If I could wave a.
Speaker 9: Magic wand and put a guy on the team, uh,
Speaker 9: the two, I'll say too because they played the same position.
Speaker 9: I love Smith and even more realistically than that, just
Speaker 9: reading tea leaves and connecting the dots and you know,
Speaker 9: talking to people back in Dallas, Will McDonald would make
Speaker 9: me incredibly happy.
Speaker 10: And it sounds like it sounds like the DC loves him.
Speaker 9: Obviously dan quinn worked him out, just like he worked
Speaker 9: out Sam Williams last year.
Speaker 10: I think Will McDonald is a badass.
Speaker 9: I think he would be there. I think he fits
Speaker 9: what dan quinn likes to do. I watched him at
Speaker 9: Iowa State. I don't really think they knew what they
Speaker 9: were doing with him. Say that I would be I
Speaker 9: would be ecstatic about that pick. I think you know,
Speaker 9: we sit here and say, oh, you don't really have
Speaker 9: any needs, take the best guy available. Well, Will McDonald
Speaker 9: plays a premium position. You wouldn't need him to do
Speaker 9: a Ton right away because obviously the pass rush has
Speaker 9: plenty of veterans, but the long term future of DeMarcus
Speaker 9: Lawrence is a question mark. Dante Fowler is only back
Speaker 9: for one year, one hundred percent know what you have
Speaker 9: in sam uh and I just I love the thought
Speaker 9: of having pass rushers, So either one of those two,
Speaker 9: Nolan Smith.
Speaker 10: Or Will McDonald would make me very very happy.
Speaker 9: But I have I feel like there's more smoke about
Speaker 9: Will McDonald, like I haven't.
Speaker 10: I haven't really heard.
Speaker 9: Anything about Nolan Smith and the Cowboys, although the way
Speaker 9: the Cowboys have played it.
Speaker 10: The last few years, maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 9: They've done a much better job at keeping it close
Speaker 9: to the chest than they did in previous years.
Speaker 2: Do they, Dave, do you think that maybe they they
Speaker 2: feel like that Nolan Smith might not be there that
Speaker 2: kind of a do they do that? Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: we're not here in a bunch of the smoke, because
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of smoke about Jon Robinson either
Speaker 2: other than you know, the stuff that people in the
Speaker 2: national level and what we're talking about here in the
Speaker 2: draft show.
Speaker 7: But is it one of those things where they're like,
Speaker 7: could it.
Speaker 2: Be ceedee lamb all over in that draft where all
Speaker 2: of a sudden one of those guys shows up and
Speaker 2: if you just hand the card in and away we go.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and everything I know about Nolan Smith is he's
Speaker 9: the tie.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 9: I don't get the impression you need to do a
Speaker 9: ton of homework on him, Like he seems like a
Speaker 9: high character kid, high football IQ kid. Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 9: I think he's interesting to me because his size. You know,
Speaker 9: he's only like two hundred and thirty five hundred and
Speaker 9: forty pounds. His size, like the range of where he
Speaker 9: like where he falls is all over the place. Like
Speaker 9: some people have him as like a surefire top fifteen pick.
Speaker 9: Some people think of him more in Dallas's range because
Speaker 9: of the size. I don't think he should be there
Speaker 9: when the Cowboys pick, But if he is, I would
Speaker 9: be very, very excited if they draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a party for Nolan Smith. Are you
Speaker 5: anti tight end in the first round?
Speaker 6: I can feel the anti day. I can feel it
Speaker 6: through the phone.
Speaker 10: No, that's not true. That okay, So here's my thing.
Speaker 9: It's the It's honestly, it's very similar to Bijon Robinson
Speaker 9: and I actually wrote a story about it for Fox.
Speaker 9: The other I guess a month or so ago at
Speaker 9: this point is just I mean, yeah, the track record
Speaker 9: of first round tight end sucks.
Speaker 10: There's no way around it. It's not good.
Speaker 9: But the same way we talk about there being a
Speaker 9: massive difference between drafting Bijon at twenty six and drafting
Speaker 9: Zeke at four. I mean we say this every single year,
Speaker 9: there's only like sixteen or seventeen first round grades. Like, yeah,
Speaker 9: pick twenty six is first round in name only, So
Speaker 9: I don't I don't hate drafting a tight end, although
Speaker 9: I will say this is just me.
Speaker 10: I feel like Brian may be gonna argue with me.
Speaker 9: I don't know, but you know, give me, Michael, give
Speaker 9: me the sure thing, Like if that's what we're doing.
Speaker 10: Give me Michael Mayer. Give me the ready made guy
Speaker 10: that can do it all right away. Like I don't
Speaker 10: want don't don't draft trades guy. Don't draft trades.
Speaker 9: Guy at twenty six, Like, don't draft project guy. Or
Speaker 9: you know, Luke musk Graves, the guy who barely played
Speaker 9: because of injuries. I'm terrified of Dalton Kincaid. I'm terrified
Speaker 9: of Luke Muskgrave is maybe not a sexy pick.
Speaker 7: But Kinkaid. The problem with Kinkaid is it the back?
Speaker 7: Is it something like that?
Speaker 9: I mean, the back doesn't the back doesn't help. But
Speaker 9: then I watched a few of his games. I'm not
Speaker 9: gonna lie and say I watched like every game he's played,
Speaker 9: but I watched a handful of games and I was like,
Speaker 9: this guy is the same problem with every young tight
Speaker 9: end ever, which is to say, like he doesn't help
Speaker 9: you in the running game at all, which say what
Speaker 9: you will, but you know, the Cowboys want to do that.
Speaker 9: Like it's fine for you and me to say, so what,
Speaker 9: he's going to stretch the seam, But you got to
Speaker 9: draft for the team that you I mean, you're drafting
Speaker 9: for the team that you have, and the Cowboys want
Speaker 9: to run the hell out of the ball. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 9: said it himself. So I don't want the guy who
Speaker 9: you're gonna get down inside the ten yard line and
Speaker 9: he's not going to be able to help. He's gonna, like,
Speaker 9: you know, be playing ola like a bullfighter with with defenders.
Speaker 10: No thank you.
Speaker 9: I don't think. I don't think Don kincaid is a
Speaker 9: plus blocker. And the injury bothers me, So yeah, give
Speaker 9: me I mean of the of the big ones. I'd
Speaker 9: be happy with Darnell Washington too, Like, give me the
Speaker 9: guys that can actually help in the run game in.
Speaker 10: Addition to being very good receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he lit us up.
Speaker 2: And in the SEC Championship game catching the ball down
Speaker 2: the middle of the field and stuff. I mean every
Speaker 2: time you watch Washington a red zone, Yeah, he's tough
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: Dave.
Speaker 2: They real quick on the Like, I'm interested about the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks with you, with Hindon Hooker Richardson, who you taken
Speaker 2: of those kind of those those two guys, if just
Speaker 2: from the quarterback perspective.
Speaker 10: Uh, where where are we talking about?
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about, how who do you like?
Speaker 2: If you had to take Hindon Hooker or you had
Speaker 2: to take Richardson, which one would you take? Because there's
Speaker 2: people that think, did you take either the first round
Speaker 2: to take either one of them?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I think after a certain point, like Annony Richardson scares
Speaker 9: the hell out of me because again, I mean again, Brian,
Speaker 9: you and I are SEC football fanatics.
Speaker 10: I mean I'm wearing an LSB hoodie right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I My thing with quarterbacks is like, at some point
Speaker 9: I would like to see it.
Speaker 10: I would actually like to see it in a game.
Speaker 10: I would like to see you.
Speaker 9: I think in order to be a top tier quarterback prospect,
Speaker 9: you should have at some point lifted your program to
Speaker 9: a level that it hasn't been before.
Speaker 10: And I like, that's why I was anti Daniel Jones.
Speaker 9: I was anti I was anti Josh Allen, which that
Speaker 9: one obviously I blew up in my face, But like,
Speaker 9: I want to see you do it at the college
Speaker 9: level to spend a big pick on you.
Speaker 10: So Anthony Richardson scares the hell out of me.
Speaker 4: But like, if you're.
Speaker 10: Talking outside the top twenty, all bets are off.
Speaker 9: Like after that point, I would, of course I would
Speaker 9: take a chance on his on his physical abilities like
Speaker 9: that they're too He's too talented to ignore after a
Speaker 9: certain point.
Speaker 10: But it's just like the top five is where I'm like,
Speaker 10: are you doing here?
Speaker 9: Like I've watched this guy play and I just feel
Speaker 9: like I should have seen it if he was really
Speaker 9: worth that type of pick.
Speaker 5: All right, So while you wrapped your LSU Tiger gear,
Speaker 5: I got to ask you about Kishan Bute. He might
Speaker 5: be one of the more confusing prospects in this class.
Speaker 5: He could end up being maybe the best.
Speaker 6: Receiver we haven't talked about him Mayne, or he.
Speaker 5: Could be out of the freaking league in a couple
Speaker 5: of years.
Speaker 9: If you had asked me this question in September, I
Speaker 9: would have been like, Yeah, first round pick, top of
Speaker 9: the line, what are we.
Speaker 10: Even talking about?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 10: Like I think starting in the fourth round.
Speaker 9: I think you talk about it because the talent, Like,
Speaker 9: there is talent, there, there's production.
Speaker 10: You know, he's one of the best receivers in the
Speaker 10: league for two years.
Speaker 9: But like turn on the twenty twenty two tape and
Speaker 9: I don't see it, Like the concentration isn't there, the
Speaker 9: attention to detail, just like drop after drop after drop.
Speaker 10: He had a few good games.
Speaker 9: He had really nice game against Florida, but like, like
Speaker 9: the concentration, I think, I think being such a big
Speaker 9: time prospect completely went to his head, you know, like
Speaker 9: they lost a game and he like deleted his Instagram
Speaker 9: and then he didn't play in the Bowl game because
Speaker 9: of some off field stuff, which if you want to
Speaker 9: have a fun afternoon, search that on the internet and see.
Speaker 7: What comes out.
Speaker 5: Atlanta a lot of trains.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, he had. He had a good time in Atlanta.
Speaker 10: From what it sounds like, I would not. I would.
Speaker 10: I've said this a million times.
Speaker 9: If you're an old school listener of the show, I
Speaker 9: owe it to you to say it at least once. Like,
Speaker 9: the top one hundred are the picks that I really
Speaker 9: value on a different level, I would not spend a
Speaker 9: top one hundred pick on him, like I said, starting
Speaker 9: in like the fourth round. You could talk me into
Speaker 9: it because of the body of work, but like, I
Speaker 9: don't feel good about it. And it's it sucks too because,
Speaker 9: like I said, I think he was on his way
Speaker 9: to being a top twenty pick and the wheels completely
Speaker 9: fell off.
Speaker 10: On field production and like off field ability too.
Speaker 2: Dave, I'm gonna make your head explode even more now,
Speaker 2: Eli Ris it went from l s U to Alabama, So.
Speaker 5: I mean an Dave, tell him no, go Tigers, we
Speaker 5: got some go.
Speaker 10: Wait what do you what do you think about Rix Brian?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you watched the Mississippi State game.
Speaker 2: You would take him in the You would take him
Speaker 2: in the first round. The way he played in that
Speaker 2: football that.
Speaker 7: Was the best game. Yeah, And the thing about it.
Speaker 10: Is okay, what about all the other games?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, though there's there's there's games
Speaker 2: where I to me, I don't think you've seen this
Speaker 2: guy play a lot of football. That's the problem I
Speaker 2: have with this guy. But but you know how I
Speaker 2: always we always when we were working together, David, it
Speaker 2: was always like if you see it once, you can
Speaker 2: see it again kind of thing.
Speaker 4: I think this guy is all over the board. I
Speaker 4: really do.
Speaker 2: I think there's some people that really really like him,
Speaker 2: you know, for his ability, the link the way he plays,
Speaker 2: and then there's something like oh no mom, dad, or
Speaker 2: too involved this that and the other, you know kind
Speaker 2: of a thing. He's a coddled player, you know, he
Speaker 2: never could get settled. You know, why why did it
Speaker 2: not always work at Alabama? I just think he's one
Speaker 2: of those guys that to me is are really a mystery.
Speaker 2: But he's he's got ability. That's that's the thing that
Speaker 2: I'm kind of the scout in me is like, you know,
Speaker 2: looking at right now.
Speaker 9: I hate I hate to judge one player for the
Speaker 9: transgressions of another, but it just sounded like you could
Speaker 9: have just taken the name out of that and it's
Speaker 9: even similar because he started at the same school.
Speaker 10: You could take the name Joseph. It sounds like you're
Speaker 10: talking about Kelvin Joseph Barnacles. Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 9: I mean, like, look, he's there's no doubt in my
Speaker 9: mind that he's talented. But and look like I hope
Speaker 9: anybody that knows me no, like I have an objective
Speaker 9: view about this stuff outside of the moment, Like I
Speaker 9: don't care that Eli Rich left LSU if he thought
Speaker 9: that was the best opportunity for him, but he went
Speaker 9: to a new school, struggled to find any consistency, Like
Speaker 9: wasn't a mainstay on the field all the time. And
Speaker 9: then on top of that, like by virtue of going there,
Speaker 9: I have connections at LSU. Not a whole lot great
Speaker 9: to say about him on his way out the door, and.
Speaker 10: The production's not there. I don't know.
Speaker 9: Again, like, once you get to a certain point, I
Speaker 9: think the talent is enough that you take a chance
Speaker 9: on him. But like again we're talking, I keep seeing
Speaker 9: all these mock drafts where people are drafting Eli Ricks
Speaker 9: in the top one hundred, and I'm like, aw, why
Speaker 9: that feels so rich to me?
Speaker 7: See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Though nobody can touch that doesn't match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. It's That's the thing about it is.
Speaker 2: Do you wonder if teams are like kind of turning
Speaker 2: their turning away from the Uh you know, maybe Nick
Speaker 2: Saban is actually saying some good things about him.
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know, but could but you do
Speaker 7: watch him play.
Speaker 9: It Saban's best interest to get his players drafted, So
Speaker 9: I don't really know how much I care about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 10: I mean, look, this is this is the ultimate. This
Speaker 10: is this is me and Brian in a nutshell.
Speaker 9: Is like Brian wants to take the chance on the
Speaker 9: talented guy, and I like the safe thing, Like I
Speaker 9: want I want the guy that I feel like I'm
Speaker 9: not gonna have to worry about. And I know you
Speaker 9: can't have that every single time, but like, let that
Speaker 9: be somebody else's problem, or again.
Speaker 7: Let somebody else be a hero the draft.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, he let me have.
Speaker 9: Let me have the Michael Mayers of the world and
Speaker 9: just be like, yeah, we're gonna you know, this will
Speaker 9: be great. It's not it's boring, but we're gonna have
Speaker 9: productive football players that we don't have to worry.
Speaker 7: About So I haven't got to call you a coward
Speaker 7: then in a long time.
Speaker 10: That I am.
Speaker 9: I'm a draft coward, Brian being a cowardout Like I
Speaker 9: don't like to thank you.
Speaker 6: I just hey, David, So I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 6: by the way, but I wanted to add I know,
Speaker 6: I know, yoh. So a lot of talk about offensive line, man, Like,
Speaker 6: is there one position on the Cowboys right now that
Speaker 6: you feel like if you plug and play one of
Speaker 6: these draft players in the first round, like it's they're
Speaker 6: gonna get better, They're gonna take that next step and
Speaker 6: it can really make a difference next year. What position
Speaker 6: is it for you don't think.
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean not counting Bijon right because I
Speaker 9: think I mean if you plug him, if you plug
Speaker 9: him into that offense, I do think he would be
Speaker 9: incredibly successful. I know that that's not really the point
Speaker 9: plug and play. I mean, I think I think that's
Speaker 9: probably that's probably why I've talked myself into Michael Mayer,
Speaker 9: because I think he steps right in and is a
Speaker 9: part of that rotation immediately. Like maybe he's not a
Speaker 9: one hundred percent of the snaps player, but like sixty
Speaker 9: or more. He would be part of your twelve personnel
Speaker 9: package with Jake Ferguson. He might even I mean he
Speaker 9: might be your starting regular tight end over Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 9: I think he could step in and catch forty plus
Speaker 9: balls right away.
Speaker 10: I don't think that's a stretch.
Speaker 9: I mean, I know another guy that's really popular, like Steve,
Speaker 9: Steve Avilla, Steve Avilla, however you pronounce it from TCU like, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 9: like steps right in and upgrades the offensive line. My
Speaker 9: thing is, it's just the classic case of twenty six
Speaker 9: fields too soon and fifty eight feels too late.
Speaker 10: So I don't really know how to answer that question,
Speaker 10: but I think.
Speaker 9: He would absolutely upgrade the offensive line right away. And
Speaker 9: that's why, you know, if they did decide to draft
Speaker 9: him at twenty six. I'm at the point with these guys,
Speaker 9: and I think Tyler Smith really hammered it home last
Speaker 9: year where I'm just like, all right, do what you
Speaker 9: want to do, and I'm going to wait and.
Speaker 10: See how it plays out before I get too upset.
Speaker 9: Because I think Will McClay and his guys have earned
Speaker 9: the be benefit of the doubt. So if they were
Speaker 9: to draft somebody like him at twenty six, I would
Speaker 9: be like, Yeah, this is probably going to work and
Speaker 9: people probably aren't going to have too much to say
Speaker 9: six months from now.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 5: Okay, So if you want to get a little crazy
Speaker 5: with me here, Dave, sure thing, we want to fix
Speaker 5: this offensive line? Why don't we go up and go
Speaker 5: get Pete s Koronski?
Speaker 10: Why? Like, what are what are we giving up to
Speaker 10: go up? That's what I always ask.
Speaker 5: You're probably having to give up with two yep to
Speaker 5: go up and get them. But your offensive line is solidified.
Speaker 4: Just by the reaction and then the sip of the coffee.
Speaker 4: He's not interested.
Speaker 9: Here's my thing, and I'm stealing this talking point from
Speaker 9: other people. I definitely didn't come up with it.
Speaker 10: But like, no, you made it until you make it, Bryan,
Speaker 10: I gotta go. I just I think there's a whole
Speaker 10: Brian throwing me off as usual.
Speaker 9: I think there's a whole generation of cowboy fans who,
Speaker 9: you know, they saw how well it worked to just
Speaker 9: throw first round, first round picks at the offensive line,
Speaker 9: and I mean it did work, but I'm just like,
Speaker 9: how many resources do you need to use on the line?
Speaker 10: In order for it to be successful.
Speaker 9: Like, why is this team the only team that can't
Speaker 9: find badasses on day.
Speaker 10: Two and day three?
Speaker 9: And I mean, you know, Tyler Biatis has developed into
Speaker 9: a nice player, but Connor Williams and Connor McGovern never
Speaker 9: really stuck the way people wanted them to. None of
Speaker 9: the like mid round investments they've made at tackle have
Speaker 9: really worked out, from Chaz Green on down. But like,
Speaker 9: but you should be able to if you've got Zach
Speaker 9: Martin and you've got Tyler Smith and Tyron Smith is
Speaker 9: still giving you something, you should be able to find
Speaker 9: a left guard without trading up into the top twelve
Speaker 9: to do it and getting rid of another pick. By
Speaker 9: the way, the second round pick could be Cedric till
Speaker 9: Or or a tight end if you don't take a
Speaker 9: tight end in the first round.
Speaker 10: Like I just I love having those picks too much.
Speaker 9: And at some point the Cowboys should be able to
Speaker 9: find a guard somewhere other.
Speaker 10: Than the top fifteen. That's just how I feel.
Speaker 3: About And I don't think you're the only one that
Speaker 3: feels that way either. I think the people across the
Speaker 3: building probably feel that way more so than they do
Speaker 3: on the other side of it of potentially trading up
Speaker 3: and going and using those picks. Freaking cowards man, cowards right, Dave,
Speaker 3: real quickly, we got to let you go.
Speaker 4: But before we do number one draft need for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: They have to.
Speaker 3: Leave next weekend with this position group. Who do they
Speaker 3: need to go get? And it's like a non negotiable.
Speaker 10: Having just said that, I wouldn't do that trade.
Speaker 9: I think the only non negotiable is that they've got
Speaker 9: to find some competition at.
Speaker 10: The left guard spot.
Speaker 9: Like I just if you look at the roster, that's
Speaker 9: really the only spot. Like if they don't get a cornerback,
Speaker 9: it's a problem for next year, but they can get
Speaker 9: through this year if they don't get a running back
Speaker 9: you know, Ronald Jones, Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 10: Like, oh season with.
Speaker 9: That, I'm just hey, I'm just saying, like every every
Speaker 9: position group on the team, defensive tackles in the same way,
Speaker 9: like would you love to add to it, of course,
Speaker 9: but can you play games with can you even? I
Speaker 9: mean again, linebacker is another spot where I think they
Speaker 9: would they need help.
Speaker 10: Don't get me wrong, but I always keep in the
Speaker 10: back of.
Speaker 9: My mind Jaron Curse and Donovan Wilson are basically linebackers anyway,
Speaker 9: Like they're at to do so much stuff in the
Speaker 9: box that when you add those two with Leyton and
Speaker 9: Clark and Cox, it's not it's not good, but it
Speaker 9: could be good enough. Whereas guard, maybe it's just because
Speaker 9: I haven't seen Udoma play yet, but I just look
Speaker 9: at left guard and I'm like, I don't think you
Speaker 9: want to play a game with what you have there,
Speaker 9: at least not without having a competition. So not saying
Speaker 9: it has to be the first round, but one of
Speaker 9: those first four picks I feel like needs to be
Speaker 9: an interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: A little breaking news from David Hellman of Fox Sports.
Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott is returning to the Dallas Cowboys for the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three seats and yeah.
Speaker 10: Throw aggregate that throw that up there.
Speaker 3: No, Dave, we love you, we appreciate you, we miss
Speaker 3: you every day here on the Draft Show, we keep
Speaker 3: up with you the entire time. We're doing a fantastic job.
Speaker 3: Keep doing the good work out there, buddy.
Speaker 10: Hey, I'm not kidding. I keep an eye on y'all too.
Speaker 10: I love the Draft Show. I love that y'all are
Speaker 10: still doing this. Best of luck next week.
Speaker 9: I am going to have some serious fomo when the
Speaker 9: draft rolls around and I'm not going through every pick
Speaker 9: with y'all, so.
Speaker 3: Doors always a little bit yeah, pop on any time
Speaker 3: we put on that tie, David, come on here.
Speaker 9: I'll talk to I'll talk to Beemer and see if
Speaker 9: we can work something out. But if I don't see
Speaker 9: you kill it this season, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, appreciate you, Dave. We'll talk to you soon. There
Speaker 4: we go, David Helmer.
Speaker 6: Moves you with his coffee.
Speaker 4: Now, oh coffee.
Speaker 3: And then the tour around the apartment was that was
Speaker 3: an unknown And talk about draft seasons full of surprises,
Speaker 3: that's part of that was a good surprise.
Speaker 4: All right, let's take our second break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're gonna gives you some under
Speaker 3: the radar prospects to maybe keep an eye on the
Speaker 3: guys that David Hellman really wants to hear about these
Speaker 3: under the radar guys on day three when we come
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Speaker 3: Let's dive into some of these under the radar prospects again.
Speaker 3: Special thanks to David Hellman for hopping on. Always a
Speaker 3: pleasure getting to talk with him.
Speaker 4: And I usually I want to start with you.
Speaker 3: There was a Twitter conversation that really sparked this the
Speaker 3: other day where somebody was asking about some of these
Speaker 3: small school guys, maybe even HBCUs. These these group of
Speaker 3: five maybe lower level prospects.
Speaker 4: Anybody that catch your mind, catch your eye.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I got a couple of guys, but I'm
Speaker 6: gonna start with Jadaki's Bonds wide receiver out of Hampton
Speaker 6: six four two ten. This guy can run. He can
Speaker 6: run pretty much every route and to my knowledge, and
Speaker 6: he can get behind you real quick. Like he doesn't
Speaker 6: have a lot of speed, but he just has the
Speaker 6: time and some guys just have the time and to
Speaker 6: just to get behind guys and to create separation. This
Speaker 6: gentleman can high point the ball. He has a lot
Speaker 6: of control over his body, and he's one of those
Speaker 6: guys that can contort at the very last minute and
Speaker 6: make the catch. I think he is a red zone threat.
Speaker 6: I like how fluid he is and he really trusts
Speaker 6: his hands. He's hard to tackle in the open field.
Speaker 6: I think the only thing people would be worried about
Speaker 6: is just because of his size and his frame or whatever.
Speaker 6: As far as like blocking and things like that. But
Speaker 6: I think that he could come in and be a
Speaker 6: receiver that could contribute to a team as like the.
Speaker 4: Third looks like he looks like the highlights are pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, the guy's a baller and he's he's a smart
Speaker 6: football player. He can play. I think he can play
Speaker 6: all over the field. And so you're getting a You're
Speaker 6: getting a baller that understands that he had to work
Speaker 6: his way up. Also to a lot of respect for
Speaker 6: him in the AHPCU community for what he does, and
Speaker 6: I wanted to bring attention to him. Also to Stephen F.
Speaker 6: Austin guy that I was looking at. BJ Thompsons, You're
Speaker 6: no combine invite This gentleman is a Baylor transfer transfer.
Speaker 6: He ran a four five six and is forty at
Speaker 6: twenty and a half sacks over his time there had
Speaker 6: a really good Shrine Bowl six five frame. It really
Speaker 6: pops out on the field. You see him, you just like,
Speaker 6: holy crap. I said that when I see him, his
Speaker 6: stance he looks like venom. Venom. Yeah, he and his
Speaker 6: because he pounces like almost like a like seriously, he like.
Speaker 5: He give me a venom, especially as a rush.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the explosion out of his stance is what he
Speaker 6: wins with. Dude, He's he wins with that initial step up.
Speaker 6: He has a lot of burst and his strides along.
Speaker 6: He needs to be stronger in the run game, just
Speaker 6: kind of setting the edge basic d and stuff in
Speaker 6: my opinion. And if you mentioned the competition or whatever
Speaker 6: the case may be, I mean, like I said, you
Speaker 6: can go look at him in the Shrine Bowl playing
Speaker 6: against some of the best people and you can see
Speaker 6: that he's good. And we talked to Will McLay at
Speaker 6: the combine and he mentioned the P word, which is production,
Speaker 6: and this guy has it. And like I said, also too,
Speaker 6: he has coverage ability as well. He showed the ability
Speaker 6: to drop in coverage. He's even as a d N
Speaker 6: and be fluid there, natural reactor, heck of a player.
Speaker 6: I think that he can make a difference on a
Speaker 6: team real quick because he's a past rush specialist.
Speaker 3: I called two of his games this year and in
Speaker 3: one game he had multiple sacks. In the other game
Speaker 3: he had multiple PBUs.
Speaker 4: So I mean you.
Speaker 3: Talk about production, he's doing it on both levels. And
Speaker 3: that CFA had a really good defense at the FCS level.
Speaker 3: They were really solid on that side of things, So
Speaker 3: he was a big part of that going forward. Brian,
Speaker 3: who's your guy?
Speaker 7: I want to switch it up on you.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people talking about Marte Mapu
Speaker 2: from from Sack State, and he's a guy that's making
Speaker 2: the thirty visit circle because he didn't go to the
Speaker 2: Combine and so that's where that's where I think that
Speaker 2: people were talking about him as the Senior Bowl guy
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. He's really, really, really explosive in
Speaker 2: the way that he plays. He's a linebacker safety type
Speaker 2: of a guy. He lines up in the deep slot
Speaker 2: quite a bit. I'd say he's not afraid to hit,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't call him a great tackler. From the games,
Speaker 2: I say he's always near the pile, but not always
Speaker 2: in the pile. I thought there was more zone coverage
Speaker 2: than man. He tends to kind of hang in the
Speaker 2: area and react from there. His time speed was four
Speaker 2: five eight, but I never really saw him cut it
Speaker 2: loosen in these games. But he appeared more explosive. And
Speaker 2: you watch him in the drills at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: then you then then how he played at Sack State
Speaker 2: and they were a team. I watched him play Incarnate
Speaker 2: Word and Richmond. Those were playoff games that they were in.
Speaker 2: But the coaches swear this guy's a student of the game.
Speaker 2: Like I say, thirty visit guy. The best thing he
Speaker 2: does is come down hill and attack the ball. I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure how much you really want to put
Speaker 2: him in coverage.
Speaker 7: We'll see when he gets to the next level.
Speaker 6: I think he is. When I looked at him, IM
Speaker 6: meanly put down C. J. Goodwin replacement question mark. I
Speaker 6: think he could come in for a team and be
Speaker 6: an absolute gunner. And if you because I think he
Speaker 6: might go in the later rounds, if you wanted him
Speaker 6: to come in and be a straight up gunner, he
Speaker 6: could do it.
Speaker 5: Special teams, versatility.
Speaker 6: Special teams matters out here.
Speaker 4: In absolutely does what do you think it's Zach.
Speaker 5: I gonna give you a Princeton wide receiver Andre Yoshivash
Speaker 5: and this dude's a playmaker. I watched him against Yale, Cornell,
Speaker 5: and Harvard, and if you want to see him dominate
Speaker 5: against IVY League, lower level competition, he does just that.
Speaker 5: He's a vertical threat. He's got good long speed, He's
Speaker 5: going to high point and adjust to the football. Runs
Speaker 5: a lot of drags and crossers. He's got a feel
Speaker 5: for working underneath and getting open. I think he's got good,
Speaker 5: reliable hands. He seems like a guy that would work well,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, in a West Coast offense. The Cowboys
Speaker 5: are going to try and run. He does need to
Speaker 5: improve as a route runner. You see him kind of
Speaker 5: run the same routes over and over again. Needs to
Speaker 5: get a little bit stronger. But I think he's a
Speaker 5: very good Day three prospect that could develop into a
Speaker 5: really good value pick. Big fan of this kid out
Speaker 5: of Princeton.
Speaker 3: I like that lower level competition. Okay, I've got one.
Speaker 3: This is iikena une Chukwu from Rice. He just wanted
Speaker 3: to say. I don't think I said it right though,
Speaker 3: because my computer is currently being hacked. And yeah, that's
Speaker 3: not a nation. By the way, I don't have helmet.
Speaker 3: They sawid opportunity, bad juju and so I don't have
Speaker 3: my pronunciation guide up, but I have my scouting report
Speaker 3: up and it says explosive off the line of scrimmage
Speaker 3: and most physical player on the field and majority of
Speaker 3: his games he has a combo of strength and quickness
Speaker 3: that could.
Speaker 4: Still improve with room to grow into his frame.
Speaker 3: He wasn't clean enough with his hands to detach from
Speaker 3: blockers on the outside, mostly one with power as opposed
Speaker 3: to finesse on the other side of it. Production. You
Speaker 3: talked about Production. Two time first team All Conference USA.
Speaker 3: He was the best player on that OLS defense. And
Speaker 3: he's the first one that Mike Bloomgren I had a
Speaker 3: phone call with him earlier in the year. He's a
Speaker 3: head coach at RICE. I said, who's your glue guy,
Speaker 3: Who's the number one guy if you had to build around?
Speaker 4: He said, Unchuku is the guy. He is, my dude,
Speaker 4: A student of the game.
Speaker 3: Continue to play good and if you want to see
Speaker 3: him against high level competition, he had an impressive game
Speaker 3: when he had a sack against Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3: Took him down to the backfield against usc and the
Speaker 3: season opener and he had a bat of down pass
Speaker 3: in that game as well.
Speaker 7: So he plays a Rice alum too, So keep an eye.
Speaker 4: You might go get him a Rice guy. Somebody else
Speaker 4: up there is Rice. I see helmets on there. Yes,
Speaker 4: I know will is for sure.
Speaker 10: So there you go.
Speaker 7: Maybe go get your right.
Speaker 4: So a couple of things. The Kisty knight Birds.
Speaker 10: Very nice.
Speaker 7: All right, that does it for us.
Speaker 4: Next time we're on the air, it's going to be
Speaker 4: Draft Week's got that?
Speaker 3: How about we might we might have an extra show
Speaker 3: for you next week, and we might have an extra
Speaker 3: special guest for you next week week as well. We'll
Speaker 3: let you know depending on the schedule changes, but we
Speaker 3: definitely will be back next week. Is the draft is
Speaker 3: upon us for Chris being Brian brought us Zach Wilchuck,
Speaker 3: Ayisha Morrison, and our friend David Hellman out in La.
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Draft Show.
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