WEBVTT - Draft Show: Full of Surprises 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:08.760 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.639 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.320 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frasco. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.560 The Dallas Cowboys Tyler. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.120 And now your host Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:46.440 Today is Thursday, April twentieth, twenty twenty three, and officially 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:47.720 one week. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.960 Out from the NFL Draft in Kansas City. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.080 Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Line, the 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:53.960 only beer. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.520 Of the Dallas Cowboys. It's Miller Time. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.720 As we welcome you back into the SWBC studios. We've 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.400 got Ryan brot us Zach Waltschuk, Ayisha Morrison, Chris Beam 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.760 is back in the building, Jasmine Marshall back there doing 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.360 a great job as well. I'm Kyle Yeomans. All right, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.680 one week out here we go. Buckle up everybody, but 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.200 we hadn't been buckled in already. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.160 I mean, man, I'm getting buckled in now. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:18.600 Yeah. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.400 I feel like you're just now getting strapped in. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.199 Do you guys feel like you're getting a pretty decent 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.959 handle where some things might go, Not just so much 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.399 for the Cowboys, but just kind of what positions you 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.479 think where maybe some runs are gonna happen. You got 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.360 anybody people going to trade up for? Talking about that, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.039 got any of those guys in mind. I mean, I 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.040 definitely think we're gonna see the first round. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:39.760 What do you got the. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.960 Crazy first round? What do you I don't know. I 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.440 talked about Houston, right, Yeah. Two, I think the crazy 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:52.320 team that might make this very interesting is Tennessee. It 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.280 seems like the Titans have been hunting quarterbacks in Minnesota. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.320 We got the report that they were flirting with maybe 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.200 another quarterback trade option San Francisco. I think, much like 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:07.160 we saw last year with AJ Brown, Hollywood Brown, you 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.560 had Night one trades. They it might be players, you know, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.240 maybe that's when you see a Hopkins trade happen, you know, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 for instance. So now I think, more than ever, it's 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.800 not just about hey, what is there a player that 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.079 a team wants to trade up for? It's our team's 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.560 moving picks to acquire veterans, which we haven't seen a 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.400 ton of. Last year was really the start of that. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.959 It's funny that you mentioned Tennessee because if you saw 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.480 them this past offseason, they had a lot of guys 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.720 that were if I'm not mistaken, like even Derrick Henry 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.200 at some point in time they were talking about they 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.560 were kind of shopping yet what I mean, yeah, so 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.080 and then they have I feel like they have other 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.960 defensive players as well that people were interested in, like, Hey, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.320 is this guy going to be a free agent? What 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.280 is he going to do? So they do have some 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.600 people on their team that have value. The Titans are 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.600 no sleepers, Like at the offensive side is where they 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.200 struggled predominantly because of the quarterback. It sounds like they 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.959 feel like they know what they have and h is 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.760 a elite will. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.440 Yeah, they like what they have there. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.560 Alis don't miss somebody else say, I was just trying 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:08.200 to throw it out. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.320 I think he's still a quarterback that can develop and 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.200 he'll be okay. But when it comes to their future, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.840 they really think that they can win now Tennessee can. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.959 So if you need to be aggressive, you need to 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.160 go up and get somebody. That's one place that could 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.320 possibly see that happen. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.720 I'll tell you where I would be if the things 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.800 that I'm studying right now, and I used to be 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.920 in the pro side of things. So you've got to 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.640 figure out what team's needs are and what they're gonna do. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.160 Worry now about teams trading ahead of you. You know 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:47.200 who who behind you can trade up? Kansas City super aggressive, Philadelphia, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.680 super aggressive, New Orleans, super aggressive Cincinnati. You know, you 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.160 call Cincinnati and say, hey, Duke Brian brought us here, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:57.000 you know, Duke Tobin. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:58.920 Then hey Brian, how's it going? Oh great? Well, just 0:03:58.960 --> 0:03:59.960 want to make sure your phone work. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.000 You know, usually Cincinnati is not a team that will move, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.640 you know, Buffalo, there's another team you know maybe maybe 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.280 you know, teams are trying to find those pockets where 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.480 their players that they really really like are going to 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:19.720 potentially fall, and then how do you get to that spot. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:20.240 To get there? 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.760 So if you're the Cowboys, you have to do your 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:28.279 homework in this one. Maybe somebody coming from the second round, uh, 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.000 you know, Indianapolis. We'll see what they do up at 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.360 the top of the board. There's there's talk to I mean, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.400 we've seen some stuff. I know on our show on 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.360 one oh five to three the Fan yesterday, we talked about, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.800 or maybe a couple of days ago about Bill Barnwall 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.600 I think did a thing of possible trades, and one 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.479 of the trades was Indianapolis coming from thirty five to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.440 Dallas at twenty six, and then you picked up a 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.480 pick one oh six, which is a fourth round. Now, okay, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.120 this is where it's interesting. If you're interested in doing that, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:01.760 I'll say it interesting a lot there. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.120 That's okay, but it is interesting. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:04.920 It is interesting. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.480 I say it that many times if you're interested in 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.279 that kind of a trade, if you're going to fall 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.200 out of the first and go to thirty and go 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.200 to thirty five and to pick up one o six. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.400 The way the draft breaks down is round one is 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.880 the first night, two and three the second night, and 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.680 then Saturday, when we really start the marathon, will be 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.039 the start of round four. Round four. You tell me 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.600 that pick at one oh six, that's the fourth pick 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:33.679 to start the day. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:34.200 Set the table. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.479 Yeah, boom boom. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.680 And maybe it's one of those things too where you 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.120 look at it and you say, what might be worth 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.799 it to us to drop back to that thirty five 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.640 pick up one oh six And you're now you're kind 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.400 of cooking with grease a little bit there, because you 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.480 got you got that pick at one o six and 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.160 then you've got your own pick down there at one 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.359 twenty nine. So if it's worth it to you, to 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.720 entertain like that. I always felt like when you were 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.200 dealing with the start of the fourth round, it was 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.800 to start that day. People weren't gonna let you in 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.000 because they're guys that might have been on their board 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.760 in the third round that now they're sleeping on it. Yeah, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.359 now they're the draft is over after night too, and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.680 they're looking at their board and they're going, we still 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.000 got some second round guys up on that board. We 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.680 got a third round guy up on that board. We 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:25.520 need to go get well. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.120 Think about last year specifically, they really wanted a tight 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.839 end going into round number four, and then the first 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.760 pick of the fourth round Kate Otton boom off the table. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.640 A couple picks later, Daniel Bellinger boom off the table. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.440 I mean, if they go up and they set the 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.680 table for day three last year, they might get one 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.359 of those tight ends that they probably coveted more so 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.320 than Jake Ferguson. They feel good about Jack, but they 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.240 liked Otton and they liked Bellinger. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.920 I'm interested, and you're absolutely right. I am interested in 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:59.200 trading with teams like Houston, Arizona, Indy and maybe Seattle 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.560 because what that does I don't want to trade with 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.400 teams that are in the back end of the draft 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.680 because the picks. When we start to talk about the 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.840 Indie pick that we just mentioned, that's the top of 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.800 the fourth round. Sure, I'm not interested in your bottom 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.200 of the round, fourth round pick. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.400 That's almost like a five. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.160 Yeah, I want some value if I'm going to move, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.040 if I'm going to give up a fifth year option, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.840 and maybe you give up a fifth year option. The 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.360 thing about it is, I don't know if they'll give 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.320 up a fifth year option for a running back. Now 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.160 if Bjeon Robinson, if it looks like that Bjon and 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.400 I think I honestly do believe they will take b 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.600 Jeon Robinson if he's there twenty six. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.120 Yeah, I just think they will. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.040 Oh, it might be the best value pick of the 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.800 entire first round, but you. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.360 Need you need his fifth year option. It's got to 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.200 be part of the equation, you know. Somebody has to 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.000 really make you want to get out of there to 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.560 give that up. I think there's certain positions you can 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.640 give up the fifth year option and they're okay, like guard, guard, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.200 tight end, you know, stuff like that. I think running back, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.920 wide receiver, quarterbacks, those guys. Yeah, you want that fifth 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.960 year option because you want that extra year of control. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.920 So to me, the fifth year option, if if if 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.280 Robinson's sliding in their in their intent, that might make 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.840 that might be hard for them to move. If Robinson's gone, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.720 I think they can make that trade and then they 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.520 could still grab the guard or the tight end that 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:20.960 they want it at thirty five. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.520 So if you're talking best case scenario for a team 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.160 that wants to trade up and you fall back into 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.760 the front part of the second round, would it be 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.320 beat Jean sitting there at at twenty six or would 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.120 it be one of these quarterbacks, Like let let's say 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.320 a Handon Hooker falls to twenty six, he's still on 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.120 the board. Yeah, teams want that extra year, extra year 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:39.520 because he's not gonna play. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.800 I think I think I think Zach when he did 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.360 the mock draft and and he picked Tendon Hooker, and 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:45.960 we all kind of looked at each other and went, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:47.640 all right, that's. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.760 That's that's kind of fun, kind of creative. I think 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:50.760 it's reality now. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.280 I think it's reality for some teams that that you know, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.200 like I say, the team that I would worry, the 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.840 team that I would worry behind me. You know that, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.440 like I say, those teams could be super aggressive in 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.160 the way they do it. And but you know, look 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.480 at a team like what if Seattle. You know what 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.199 if Seattle goes through there. Now, Seattle's got a couple 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.320 of a couple of picks in this thing that that 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.719 they can you know, they can, they can if they 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.880 need a quarterback or talk about getting a quarterback. They 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.640 kind of got those couple of picks to work for 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.079 they are five and twenty. Yeah, but they could also 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.520 they could also be a team that trades back into 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.280 this thing as well. Yeah, you know, And so that's 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.000 kind of where but I would be worried if I'm 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.559 the Cowboys, if I'm the Pro Department, you know, the 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.120 guys upstairs. I'm trying to gauge the teams behind me, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.000 what their needs are, who potentially could be there when 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.080 we're doing these mock drafts and we're and start to 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.240 plot that maybe that we might get traded ahead of 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.000 if we're we're if we're wanting to sit on some 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.679 of these guys, well, let's let's play. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.319 Around with some of those scenarios a little bit. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.280 Because even if you do stick in at twenty six 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.400 and you pick, there's gonna be positions that you I 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.559 don't want to say neglect, but you just push a 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.360 little bit further down the way, because if you pick 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.120 a tight end, you don't have to really pick tight 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:02.680 end the rest. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:02.920 Of the day. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.840 But you might have to go pick up an offensive lineman. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.760 You may have to go pick up a corner or 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.600 a linebacker especially. So I want to give some Day two, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.720 Day three options for if the Cowboys take their roadmap 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.480 one way with positions in the first round, got and 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.960 how you could kind of be valued in the second round. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.040 And I'm want to start with offensive line. Let's say 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.880 the Cowboys do not pick an offensive lineman in the 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:26.800 first round. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.520 Offensive lineman being a tackle or guard or just a guard. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.800 We'll say, we'll say a tackle or a guard. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.439 Okay, yeah, okay, okay, I think I think both are 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.600 on the table here, right. Okay, So let's say offensive 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.560 line they do not pick one in the first round, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.360 which looks to be. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.240 A possibility, not a likelihood. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.120 What are some day to Day three guys you would 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.400 feel very comfortable with being on your football team. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.640 I think they would absolutely take Zavala from North Carolina State, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.559 the guard that that Ayisha has put us up a 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.160 long time. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.720 A long time ago. Zavala. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.640 I think Bradford from LSU would be a consideration there. Steen, 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.880 the tackle from Alabama, I think would be a consideration 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:07.960 there as well. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.360 Talk to me about Talk to me, y'all, Talk to y'all, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:11.520 talk me into Bradford. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.920 I'm all about Bradford. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:13.520 Somebody do it. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.120 Yeah, and the fourth round I would be all about him. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.199 He doesn't look like an amazing athlete, but I think 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.560 he moves well enough to get out in space. He 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.520 plays with a ton of power, does a good job 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.280 of pulling across the line to pick up will Anderson, 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.320 and he blocked him really well. I think he gets mean. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.679 He is a mean blocker. He will pancake in the 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.000 run game. He's got a good base, makes up for 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.480 poor positioning, but gives a little shoved to knock down 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.480 a rusher if they get by him. He needs see 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.319 it better with his hand fighting. That was the one 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.160 thing about him. But I thought, you know, you're playing 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.040 against a big talented player like a Jalen Carter. In 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.360 the SEC championship game, he really wowed me in that one. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.000 He stood out, he flashed and I think Anthony Bradford. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.480 To me, if you were to not get one of 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.199 your guys in the first or second round, that would 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.120 be my number one guard target in the fourth. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.480 Okay, So to me, if it was guard targets, I mean, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.520 I I like what you're saying. I should you have 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.280 something that did you see him and not? Do you 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.120 have an opinion that you're going the. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:09.600 Other way on? 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:09.920 No? 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.400 I just I just want to know more about him, Okay, I. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.320 Would all right now if you're if you're talking about 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.080 would you take a tackle? I mentioned Steen. I think 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.800 Bergeron is gone in the third round. So to me, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.600 if you told me, if you told me like, okay, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.200 I could get Bergeron. If Bergeron or Bradford's there in 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.240 the third or Zavala, I'm taking Bergeron's who I'm taking. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.160 Let me throw out this name for you guys. This 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.320 would be a Day three Player's got one after you 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:38.880 me later. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:39.640 Uh. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.600 And this, this guyd to me is being slept on 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.800 a little bit. Ryan Hayes from Michigan. Okay, big guy, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.480 six foot seven. I saw him throw people around, man, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.920 I watched him against Penn State. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:52.560 I have him right now. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:52.960 Uh. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.800 Probably the fifth that's I have him. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.560 Yeah, I have him as player one't eighty two, So 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:58.000 go ahead. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.240 I'm sorry, I mean interrupt, No, And I think he'd 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.120 be great Valve Brown. He's got a good bays. He's athletic, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.280 he can get out in space, gets to the second level. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.120 I thought he dominated van Ness in the Iowa game. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:09.520 He fires off the ball. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:10.320 Yeah, that's true. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.959 I'm just fires off the ball. I'm just kidding. I'm 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.480 just kidding. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.560 Shots drives in the run game. He's got power. I mean, heck. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.640 He was a starter for two college football playoff teams 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.200 there at Michigan at left tackle. And to me, he's 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.720 one of those guys you look at experience, and you know, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.000 we saw this with running son at Michigan as well. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.120 Got I scouted his dad. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.800 Yeah, well guess what, he's a starter in the NFL now, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.040 And he went late Day three because people thought, oh, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.440 he's not that athletic, he's too tall. I think Ryan 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.760 Hayes is a better prospect. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:41.360 Yeah, you know. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.080 I to me that I think you got the guy 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.120 absolutely right. He's he was a start at left tackle 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.720 for Michigan. I think he will project to the right side. Okay, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.480 as if what I would have to guess because to me, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.200 I mean, he will surprise you with his the movement 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.520 that he gets in the running game. And I felt 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.080 like that, you know, the combo block stuffs really got. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.960 I think that's super important with what you have to 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:05.280 do with. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.960 I think there's some balance and position issues, but not 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.640 to the point where he's gonna end up on the 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.240 ground right, you know. And so that's where I kind 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.520 of felt like, I don't know if I want him 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.080 on the left side, but maybe as a right tackle 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.560 that but he does run his guy past the quarterback. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.160 I mean, he is going to not let that guy 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.600 just have a free shot at his guy. So you know, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.200 but watch that Iowa game exactly what you're talking about. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.360 You know, he gave up a little ground, but he 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.400 kept himself between the defendant of the quarterback. So I man, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.520 I I don't I think you're absolute right. I think 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.360 the fifth round, if you're looking at a guy like 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.440 that six ' six, we're a really good offensive line 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.520 playing a lot of big games. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.600 I don't think Ryan Hayes is a bad get there. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.000 Yeah. Also too, I mean I gave him crap when 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.280 we first started the show because of all the smiling, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.800 but Blake Freeland out a BYU, I know because of the. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.160 Same bottle of wine. 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.600 For those guys are shot them touching tags. It's seventeen 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.280 and eighteen, very similar. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:03.480 Both guys. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.480 They lacked the bend right, yeah, because they're so tall 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.360 so they can get a little upright. But I think 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.200 both show pretty good athleticism for this painting. I should 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:11.520 go painting. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.240 Oh absolutely, he tested super well, obviously, but I felt like, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.960 I feel like his arms are long enough to kind 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.280 of deal with some of those, uh those edge rushers 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.560 and keep him at bay. His initial punch is good, 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.880 he can gather the contact. I said, I didn't. I 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.800 didn't hate his pad level the thought the way I 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.040 thought I would when I'm telling you when I when 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.320 I Brian talked about it, I thought he was well. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.480 I saw how he tested the combine. Very bar to 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.200 ignore how well he tested. If I'm not mistaken, he 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.320 has some lineage like his family's athletes or something like that. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.400 So but when you look at tape, you say, yeah, 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.680 he's tall, so is he gonna deal with the same 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.800 Similar to kind of how you feel about Dwan Jones, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.240 Like I'm scared about these edgy bendy speed rushers coming 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.960 on coming across and the world coming around him. But uh, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.520 I think his uh, he's gonna win with his lateral 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.760 lateral quickness, his feet. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.480 That's you got him. Movement is key to this guy's game. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.720 It is not about I mean, but I said, for 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.120 a tall guy, I didn't see great knee bend. I 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.760 know did He's a little stiff and he's he's six ' eight, Brian, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.960 what the hell you expect? 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.640 I mean, you know, that's the kind of thing. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.720 But I think he needs to be the scheme where 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:24.200 it's more athletic based than power based, yes, if that 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.120 makes sense right, And I think Hayes is the opposite. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.520 I think Hayes plays more power. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:28.760 He's more of a power. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.720 Guys well, which is what I personally feel like a 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.760 lot of it dependent on the flavor, like you talk 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.960 about your ice cream, is what I think a lot 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:43.400 of offenses are looking for more athletic offensive line because 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.360 the guys, even the guys that have power, we're excited 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.080 about their power, But how well do your feet move 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.160 like that? That's the problem that people worry about. What 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.840 Osar's torrents and stuff like, how well do you do 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.720 you move? Yeah? I see the power, but can you 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.640 get to the second level. We're doing a lot of 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.680 stuff in space and stuff in this and this NFL. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.040 So yeah, these offensive linemen do need to be athletes. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.760 I think this guy could be in the fifth round. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.320 I mean, I know a lot of people have him 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.240 in the in the like later rounds, but I think 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:10.520 he can be late fourth, fifth round. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.520 I've got I don't think you're I don't think you're wrong. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:12.879 I'm with you. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.120 I'll throw one more name at you. I had one though, Okay, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:15.600 you go for it. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.200 So I know we're in the sport code today. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.960 It looks Hey, thanks man. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.040 Jalen Duncan, offensive tackle from Maryland L Day two. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.800 Guys, he was a guy. He was a guy that 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.119 Brian was kind of interested in early but fell I 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:35.440 think he kind of felt. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.800 People kind of pushed him down the border line to 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:39.080 hear it. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.560 You want to hear it from Maryland? Right? I got 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:42.840