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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called killer mother

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Speaker 1: in law, suspect Premps fixing her hair as she goes

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Speaker 1: to trial, and a murder case where the state alleges

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Speaker 1: she masterminded an execution, a paid hit on her own

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Speaker 1: son in law, the law professor. That's right, a so

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Speaker 1: called killer mother in law. But for real, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. A loving father and esteemed law professor

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Speaker 1: is gunned down at his own home in his own vehicle.

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Speaker 2: We heard it looked in that Roger Gore was up there,

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Speaker 2: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I

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Speaker 2: went back to my house. But he never backed out,

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Speaker 2: and I came back over breathing. I can't tell that.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's breathing if he's moving his head around.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now that's a great place to launch a trial.

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Speaker 1: Playing for the jury the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 1: In most cases, that is the closest thing we have

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Speaker 1: to what really happened.

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Speaker 3: So let's start right there. Listen, no one want to

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Speaker 3: see address of your emergency.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, tell exactly what happened?

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Speaker 2: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,

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Speaker 2: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I

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Speaker 2: went back to my house. But he never backed out.

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Speaker 2: And I came back over and his wind his driver's

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Speaker 2: side window is shattered, and he's moving his head around,

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Speaker 2: but he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's

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Speaker 2: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of

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Speaker 1: Okay, is he conscious?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't tell.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is he breathing.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's

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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, he said. He's sitting in the car right correct,

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Speaker 3: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 1: When I hear about the execution style hit on a

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Speaker 1: loving dad of two little boys, a loving dad devoted

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Speaker 1: to his children. When I hear that, it just pounds

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Speaker 1: it in. He was alive. He didn't get shot and

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Speaker 1: just die instantly. He was still trying to speak, he

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Speaker 1: was still moving his head around. Professor Dan Markel I

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Speaker 1: had heard of him as being a renowned law professor,

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Speaker 1: just crackling with legal intelligence, totally devoted to his family.

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Speaker 1: There's his wife, Wendy, also a lawyer, one of the

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Speaker 1: only remaining members of the family that has not been

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Speaker 1: implicated in his murder.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, hearing that nine one one call and.

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Speaker 1: Realizing that he's moving his head around trying to speak

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Speaker 1: to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.

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Speaker 1: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was

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Speaker 1: happening to them? What were their last moments on earth?

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Speaker 1: Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see

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Speaker 1: them again? Am I going to live or die? Let's

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Speaker 1: listen to more of that nine to one one call.

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Speaker 1: We're going to hear it just like the jury.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying his head.

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Speaker 2: Is bloody, now, yes, some bloody. I mean it's the

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Speaker 2: window shattered. I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation is as the driver's

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Speaker 2: side window career. That's correct, we're still moving around. Who's alive?

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Speaker 5: Okay, looks like I should have an auscar coming.

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Speaker 2: Up the roadway. Okay, well we need the mpen.

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Speaker 6: Well, the officer's going to be there, first, they're not

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Speaker 1: But they're on the way as well. Okay, you'd better

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Speaker 1: be if this guy's got to shut This trial is happening,

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Speaker 1: and it is hot and heavy in the courtroom. In

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Speaker 1: the last hours, the jury is hearing more about wire taps.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: When the state goes to the effort, they're very, very

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Speaker 1: and judges don't really like to give you a wire tap.

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Speaker 1: It's so invasive. A wire tap on your phone. Yes,

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Speaker 1: had cemetery sites and porches bugged, So a wire tap

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Speaker 7: Listen to this, and Markell comes home to find the

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Speaker 7: house empty, his wife and two boys gone, and divorce

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Speaker 7: paper is left on a bed. Dan Markel describes the

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Speaker 7: day as his pearl harbor without warning, life as he

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Speaker 7: knew it was gone for six weeks. Dan Markel says

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Speaker 7: he doesn't know where his children are, much less as

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Speaker 7: soon to be ex wife. Markel claims Aidolson is getting

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Speaker 7: held from mother Donna Adelson and brother Charles Adelson, keeping

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Speaker 7: her location secret. Their divorce order is for them to

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Speaker 7: share joint custody of the children.

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Speaker 1: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,

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Speaker 1: the two little boys away from daddy. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something, Dave Mack joining me along with GG McKelvey.

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Speaker 1: First of you, Dave matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack.

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Speaker 1: There was never an allegation that Professor Markel beat the children,

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Speaker 1: abused the children, starved the children. In fact, if anything,

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Speaker 1: he indulged them. He petted them too much. They were

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Speaker 3: So the whole.

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Speaker 1: Family gets in league with the wife, Wendy Adelson to

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Speaker 8: What it's so shocking, Nancy that okay, the marriage is

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Speaker 8: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got

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Speaker 8: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,

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Speaker 8: and that's where she wants to go with her children.

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Speaker 8: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where

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Speaker 8: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida and

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Speaker 8: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather and

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Speaker 8: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with that's it.

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Speaker 8: That's where everything begins. Nancy. They actually, I say they

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Speaker 8: the Adlson family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes home to

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Speaker 8: an empty house, right, Well, he had gone to a

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Speaker 8: convention and he was like the keynote speaker at this

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Speaker 8: big event. They made sure that he got the message

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Speaker 8: that Wendy wanted a divorce right before he went on stage.

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Speaker 8: They played it out perfectly, and there was some crowd

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Speaker 8: of damaging him like that. It was amazing what they

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, you know, hold on GG when I

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Speaker 1: got Eric Fattus really quickly, guys. Eric Fattus vetter on

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattus

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Speaker 1: Elite Legal former felony prosecutor. That's important. Now, Defense attorney Eric,

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Speaker 1: when you are about to go to trial, strike a jury,

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Speaker 1: give a legal presentation in front of hundreds of lawyers

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Speaker 1: who are going to be as firing legal questions at you,

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Speaker 1: you got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match.

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Speaker 1: You can't miss a thing. I remember thinking in court,

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Speaker 1: I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury. Watch

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Speaker 1: the witness, watch the jury as questioning. We take place

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Speaker 1: like a tennis match, because if you miss one word,

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Speaker 1: one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.

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Speaker 3: Anything could go wrong.

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Speaker 1: And so right before he takes the stage in front

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Speaker 1: the knees. Your wife wants a divorce, and he comes home,

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Speaker 1: the house is picked clean and screw the furniture.

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Speaker 3: The children are gone.

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Speaker 1: Oh I can't even imagine that, faddest you come home

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Speaker 3: That is what happened to him. Oh go, I mean that.

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Speaker 9: Is going to shake anybody have, let alone someone who

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Speaker 3: You've got to be on your game.

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Speaker 9: You've got to be listening. There are details you've got

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Speaker 9: to take in. You got to make sure you don't

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Speaker 9: miss anything. This is a high stakes presentation.

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Speaker 6: For him, and they did this in a calculated.

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Speaker 9: Fashion, intentionally to shake him up as much as they could.

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Speaker 9: And really, you know, his life is crashing in upon

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Speaker 9: him immediately before he's about to give this kind of speech,

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Speaker 9: I mean, clearly problematic and shows some malice on their part.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you something, Fattest. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, but when I would go into try case,

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Speaker 1: I would wait until everyone was ready, And I had

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Speaker 1: the defense was in place. They defendant made it from jail,

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Speaker 3: Why then I'd go in because.

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Speaker 1: I did not want them speaking to me and throwing

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Speaker 1: Tunnel vision has to be that way, and I can

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Speaker 1: just imagine him going to take the podium and going, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's the divorce papers. Anyway, back to what happened to

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Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts A hit podcast,

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Speaker 1: Pretty Lies and Alibis. Gigi, I want to get back,

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Speaker 1: not from the speech that got totally ambushed. I want

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Speaker 1: to get to the day he was murdered. So he's

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Speaker 1: and the garage goes up and he goes into the garage.

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Speaker 1: What happened then, Well.

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Speaker 10: We know that Dan was on the phone with a

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Speaker 10: special school that Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son,

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Speaker 10: and so he was actively talking to somebody as this happened.

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Speaker 10: He told the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar

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Speaker 10: to me in my driveway and he needed to see

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Speaker 10: who that was. The person on the other end heard

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Speaker 10: maybe a struggle, heard some loud noises and was asking

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Speaker 10: tried to call in text and no response. Obviously, So

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Speaker 10: Gg McKelvey, isn't it true that the killer apparently followed

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Speaker 10: markel into or right behind him, basically trapping him in

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Speaker 10: the garage. That's correct, pulled up to where he would

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Speaker 10: not have been able to back out or move in

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Speaker 10: any way or get out of his car without being

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Speaker 1: Ron Bitman joining me, former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: former homicide undercover, a narcotics detective, and author of crime

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Speaker 1: trilogy Silent Blue Tears. Ron, this is a hit. There's

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Speaker 1: no two ways about it. There's no sex attack, nothing

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Speaker 1: is stolen, there's not a carjack nothing. They come up,

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Speaker 1: bam right in the head and leave.

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Speaker 3: That's a hit.

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Speaker 6: That's an execution, premature, with malice, the forethought. Absolutely first

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Speaker 6: degree murder one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Now another thing, Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it true that.

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Speaker 1: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the

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Speaker 1: phone with the wife again basically the only person left

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Speaker 1: standing that hasn't been formally accused of murder. They have

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Speaker 1: been talking that whole morning, and Markel had left her

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Speaker 1: a voicemail about wanting to talk about the boys, and

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Speaker 1: she texted him his plans won't work. Then they argued

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Speaker 1: about when Wendy could get the children. She was saying

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson.

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Speaker 1: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz

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Speaker 3: Podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want you to hear the trajectory

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Speaker 3: That tore through Dan Markell's face.

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Speaker 3: That the bullet entered just beneath.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. Do you know what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Kendall Crown's question, You

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's isn't it your dearest wish? I mean it's mine?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm true projecting, but your dearest wish is to

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Speaker 3: And just imagine, with those hopes.

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Speaker 1: Why is law Professor Dan Markel dead. Why was he murdered?

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Speaker 2: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of

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Speaker 1: You know, I've asked us a million times, fattest, I

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Speaker 1: You know what fatis. You're absolutely right. This is the

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Speaker 3: All the wire. Chaps. You know what. You're gonna totally

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Speaker 7: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Edelson, uses his girlfriend

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Speaker 3: What happened when you got to the driveway of dan Mark.

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Speaker 1: Hill right behind him, and of course he jumped out

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Speaker 3: How many times did Garcia shoot Mark? Mister Moyle cold blood?

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Speaker 1: Cold blood GG McKelvey joining US investigative journalists star a

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Speaker 1: pretty lies and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case

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Speaker 1: from the very very beginning.

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Speaker 3: Gg cold, what I mean?

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Speaker 1: He just rattled off, how many times you shoot twice?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about

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Speaker 1: Let me talk to you about the plot. Let me

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Speaker 1: understand Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children, the one

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Speaker 3: To arrange a hit. And the hit men are the.

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Speaker 1: Father of her children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend Louis Rivera. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Thing went down, Gigi, And isn't it quite the coincidence?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy Adelson is dropping

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Speaker 1: is unscathed. Neither person of interest or assessment tell me

436
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: how this whole thing went down with the girlfriend. With

437
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been a piece

438
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: of work, because when I think of hitman, I don't think, hey,

439
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: I'll ask my husband to get some of his low

440
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: life friends to pull off a hit. You know, they're

441
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: not all as in priests and virgins, gg, birds of

442
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: a feather, you know the rest. So he thinks his

443
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess what she does?

444
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened. And it was

445
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 10: pretty soon after they started seeing each other at Halloween

446
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 10: party where they're getting in their car to leave, and

447
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 10: he just asked her, Hey, do you know anybody that

448
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 10: would hurt somebody? And she said yes and left it there.

449
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 10: And it wasn't until later on when and the relocation

450
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 10: was a big issue with Donna, And we're going to

451
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 10: hear that on these wiretap calls as this trial progresses.

452
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 10: It was getting fever pitch. I don't think Charlie cared

453
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 10: where Wendy and the boys lived. He's a playboy making

454
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 10: millions of dollars every year, but it was important to Donna.

455
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: And as time went on and.

456
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 10: Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the location issue,

457
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 10: he finally went to her and said, we need to

458
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 10: get this done. That is when she went to her

459
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 10: baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you like to

460
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 10: make some money to take care of somebody?

461
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: And he said yes.

462
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 10: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who

463
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 10: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,

464
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 10: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's

465
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 10: where the plot started.

466
00:27:52,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: So Charlie Adelson aka the Maestro, who was Wendy Alson.

467
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: Ah there he is.

468
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: What a fine figure of a man, vanity plate maestro?

469
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay whatever, So how is he making so much money?

470
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: Hand over fishgg how much money are we talking about?

471
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: What did he do for a living.

472
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 10: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the

473
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 10: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,

474
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 10: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also

475
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 10: travel around South Florida and do day work at these

476
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 10: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,

477
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 10: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.

478
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 10: Charlie was notorious for having a safe with stacks of

479
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 10: one hundred bills in there. But Charlie, yeah, he was

480
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 10: driving around supercars. He had a boat throwing money out

481
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 10: left and right, and he.

482
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: Happened to me a supercar. The last thing I want

483
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: is a man pulling up and an expensive car. I

484
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: mean a guy pulls up in a Lamborghini, I'm like,

485
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: bye bye.

486
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: You know what that means to me?

487
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or he feels

488
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: like he's got to have a really expensive car to

489
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: impress people, because obviously his personality and intellect don't cut it.

490
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: So not interested. My husband drives a beat up SUV

491
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: meet up, totally meat up, and he doesn't care.

492
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: That's what I like about him. So this guy, what

493
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of car is a supercar? Charlie Adelson, I believe

494
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: he had a Lamborghini.

495
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 10: If I recall correct it, it must have been why

496
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 10: I said Lamborghini.

497
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I could just see him driving up and down

498
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: the strip in Miami and his Lamborghini and Maestro on

499
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: his vanity to So.

500
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: Who's doctor Bubner?

501
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: Bob ne r Who, Dave mac Who's doctor Bubner? I

502
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: notice you, Dave matt keep talking about doctor Bubner, and

503
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why you just love to say Bubner?

504
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: Who is that?

505
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 8: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast

506
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 8: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,

507
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 8: and then of course his patients are so happy with

508
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 8: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner.

509
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: And uh, okay, great, what does he have to do

510
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: with this case?

511
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 8: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,

512
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 8: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that

513
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 8: were investigating the case, they actually were able to tie

514
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 8: in doctor Bubner between Katherine Macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and

515
00:30:53,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 8: that he did Katherine Macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as art

516
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 8: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.

517
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place place speak

518
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: no more.

519
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: Are you hearing this, Fattus?

520
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I assume, Fatus, you've seen the series of moodies called

521
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: the Apple Dumpling gang. Okay it Scott don Nott's and

522
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: others in it. Yeah, you need to see that. I

523
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: showed it to the children. But I think the title

524
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: says it all. So the go between Katherine mcbatoir, who

525
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: set up the hit for Charlie Adelson for his mother

526
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: or the monster in law got paid with a breast

527
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: lift implants I'm so happy right now because that's not

528
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: hard to trace.

529
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: Right, he paid her with knee breasts A and me.

530
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 9: Right right, Nancy. But the key there is Charlie paid her.

531
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 9: Charlie paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the

532
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 9: bill for these new rest at least that hasn't been

533
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 9: proven in courtA.

534
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: And so what we're talking.

535
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 9: About is is certainly this uh you know, court of

536
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 9: folks who are.

537
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: Conspiring with one another.

538
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 9: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,

539
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 9: is just kind of a protective grandma.

540
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: Protective mother tried the million dollar bribe.

541
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: Did you not hear you need to turn up your

542
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: hearing aids. Did you not hear? Jj McKelvey just say,

543
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig where those boys lived.

544
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: He only did it because his mother drove him insane

545
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: to do it. He doesn't care. He didn't have a

546
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: dog in that fight and no skin in the game.

547
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: He did it because his mother would not leave him alone.

548
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: He didn't care about the boys.

549
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 9: But but to say that that cause this murder for

550
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 9: higher plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure

551
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 9: the evidence has supported yet, And so, uh, you know,

552
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 9: I just think that's a bit of a stretch. The prosecutor,

553
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 9: they've already got there pound of flesh with the four

554
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 9: other convictions, and in defense is saying, Okay, wait a minute.

555
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: You're talking about the conviction of the brother, the playboy,

556
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend with the breastlift, Katherine

557
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: may Banoi, the hit man, and his gang cohort. Those

558
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: four have been convicted. None of them.

559
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Care about where the boys live.

560
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: The only one that cares is Donna aight old son

561
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: who's on trial right now. Katherine mcbanoi testifies under oath

562
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a link without Mommy

563
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: saying okay, you can go. So this was like a

564
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: regular part of the way this worked. Whenever this conversation

565
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: came up yes, we consult his mother and come back.

566
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 11: And speak to you and Jack.

567
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

568
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 7: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.

569
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 7: The agent hands Donna Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,

570
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 7: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars and provides a phone number.

571
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 7: Investigators interceptor called Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him

572
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 7: to meet with her about paperwork hand delivered to her

573
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 7: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and

574
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 7: Donna says probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't

575
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 7: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to

576
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 7: intercept calls, this time Charlie tells mom not to talk

577
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 7: about things in the apartment. Adelson asks his mother what

578
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 7: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably

579
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 7: about five. Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.

580
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 7: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and

581
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 7: explains someone approached his mother, guarding her son and his

582
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 7: ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson saying

583
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 7: to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys. He

584
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 7: says paying someone off is not an admission of guilt.

585
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 7: Conversations continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Catter Macbanawa, and

586
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 7: Sigfredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.

587
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab

588
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: hey or.

589
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: An undercover agent.

590
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches

591
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: Adolson on the street He's got a press release or

592
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: an article about Markel's murder and says, hey, you owe

593
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: me five thousand dollars. I have info on you and

594
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: your son.

595
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: What does she do? John?

596
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Call police? She calls her son and goes, don't talk

597
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: on the phone and makes us some crazy jargon to

598
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: tell him a bribe of five thousand dollars been put

599
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: to her, and they go, don't When somebody says don't

600
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: talk on the phone, you know it's something bad, or

601
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: don't put it in writing.

602
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: You don't want to leave a trail, And that's what

603
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: she says, Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds

604
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: a little bit like entrapman.

605
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 9: It sounds a little bit like government overreach. It sounds

606
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 9: a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved in some

607
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 9: misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in somebody who

608
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 9: did not have any direct involvement. Look, the mother may

609
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 9: have known that Charlie Adamson did what he did and

610
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 9: may have wanted to talk with him about that.

611
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: None of that is criminal.

612
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 9: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both

613
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 9: of us, well, she's someone who received the document and

614
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 9: received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter. And so hey, look,

615
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 9: you know calling your son to talk about it is

616
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 9: not crime.

617
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman

618
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: come out.

619
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: You know, let's school Eric Fattis.

620
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff for anne Arundel County

621
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: author homicide undercover, you name it Bateman. When I hear

622
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: the words don't talk on the phone or don't.

623
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: Talk in the apartment, why not talk in your apartment?

624
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: If some guy I don't know literally bumps into me

625
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: on the street and tries to extract five grand from me,

626
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm calling police. But neither one of them call police.

627
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: In fact, they don't talk on the phone.

628
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: All that started.

629
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: Let me talk about that for one second. I've been

630
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: in those positions. I have been the undercover guy. I

631
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 6: have been the hit guy for a relationship that went bad,

632
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 6: and I was the guy on the phone during the

633
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 6: undercover call in this case with a wife, and it

634
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 6: is so funny. And I'm being undercovered narcotics detector for

635
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 6: a long time and got into this role as a

636
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 6: hit man. People always talk on the phone, they try

637
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 6: to talk in code, and I was talking in code

638
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: to this one particular lady. It's just so funny. They

639
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 6: are not as diabolical with their planning of a murder

640
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 6: like people think they should be. I had Maryland's first

641
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 6: life without parole case ever happened, and it was a

642
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 6: contract murder involving a wife and a husband. Totally different

643
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 6: case where I was the undercover hitman. But again, it's

644
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 6: just so funny how just things just crumple down. And

645
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 6: the worst thing that you can have in any kind

646
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 6: of crime is another person. And if there's another person,

647
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 6: which in this case there are several, they'll altern on

648
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: each other, which obviously in this case, they have what

649
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 6: I call in this case, and I don't know if

650
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: I've coined this, if it's my own thing or not,

651
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 6: but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb that was dropped

652
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 6: on the husband before he went for the speaking engagement.

653
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Speaker 6: And then these guys here, the Garcia and Rivera. I mean,

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00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 6: come on, you think there's no ring cameras loss the

655
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 6: streeter or at the front of the house. I mean,

656
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 6: come on, it's just just it's so.

657
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: And now it culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift

658
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: as payment for setting up the hit, to the son,

659
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: the brother, Charlie Adelson, to the mother Donna Adelson on trial.

660
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Now the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all

661
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: of this, according to prosecutors, was for her. She says

662
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: she knew nothing of it. And speaking of Donna Adelson,

663
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: she came this close, this close to getting out of

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00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: the country and going to a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: the Nam caught at the airport.

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00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Listen, it is a sweetheart.

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00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: Let's just get away. We're just get away somewhere.

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00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 11: So we could have sometimes to think.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So your testimony is that you weren't trying to

670
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 9: go to Vietnam because you wouldn't be able to be.

671
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: Extradited from there.

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Speaker 11: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been

673
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 11: to Vietnam, before with friends, we run vacation and it

674
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 11: really was like a place of peace. And so he said,

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00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 11: if we go to a non extradition country, then if

676
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 11: the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest you,

677
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 11: or maybe whatever both he said, then he said, we

678
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 11: won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months to

679
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 11: go back. We could buy a ticket and we could

680
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 11: go home. And my understanding was that I could go

681
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 11: home and I could turn myself in if that's what

682
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Speaker 11: they wanted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.

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00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: You go to a non extradition country and then when

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00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: the cops want to arrest you, you just come home.

686
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: Okay. That is what we.

687
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Call in the law flight as evidence of guilt. You

688
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: leave the scene of the crime, or you leave before

689
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Speaker 1: you can get caught. Everyone is wondering what else was

690
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: heard on those tapped phone calls to gg McKelvey. We

691
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: have been listening to Ellie on the stand now going

692
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Speaker 1: on two days.

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00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: What did they say yesterday?

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Speaker 10: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially

695
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 10: about Wendy and I think what the prosecution was trying

696
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 10: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships

697
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 10: and jobs that Wendy had chosen, and she was having

698
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 10: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk

699
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 10: to your sister, talker out of this. You need to

700
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 10: talk her in to this. So I think the first

701
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 10: couple of calls, that's what that was for. Then we

702
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 10: get into those bump calls that we've been talking about,

703
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 10: where there's panic.

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00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: You know, Donad's not wanting to say much.

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00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 10: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls that we

706
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 10: will hear throughout today. But it's what we're hearing is

707
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 10: the absence of the question, which, ex Girlfriend, what is

708
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 10: five thousand dollars? Why is this random guy handing me

709
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 10: some article about Dan on the street?

710
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: What is going on?

711
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 10: No police called nothing at all except that phone call

712
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 10: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner. This

713
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 10: involves the two of us. The TV was about five

714
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 10: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,

715
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 10: TV is code for murder.

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00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 7: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Agelson around the time of

717
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 7: dan murder and says he felt like he was being

718
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 7: framed as the possible killer. Lacas says Wendy pushed for

719
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 7: details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,

720
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 7: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the

721
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 7: killers rented a car similar in color and style to

722
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 7: La cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same

723
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 7: direction as La Cass as they had out of town.

724
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Speaker 7: He also notes he had plans to travel that route

725
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 7: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman

726
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 7: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.

727
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: JJ mccalveny joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend

728
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: thought her family, including her, was trying to set him

729
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: up to take the fall for the murder.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.

731
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 10: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.

732
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 10: She had just got back from a ten weeks day

733
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 10: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,

734
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 10: you know, I really just want some days alone. And

735
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 10: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.

736
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 10: They met up one last time and as they're going

737
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 10: to their car, she turns and asks him about his

738
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 10: trip that was happening the next day. Hey, what would

739
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 10: cause you not to go on your trip, Which way

740
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 10: are you going?

741
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: And he thought it was odd.

742
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Speaker 10: And so he goes on about his day and come

743
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 10: to find out both times, the first attempt that happened

744
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 10: in June, that law enforcement did not know about, in fact,

745
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 10: until Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted

746
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 10: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't

747
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 10: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate

748
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 10: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,

749
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Speaker 10: that's when Jeff Lacass scheduled to go out. He would

750
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 10: have taken a route that would have went very near

751
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 10: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two

752
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 10: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because

754
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: it would be easy.

755
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 10: He disliked Dan because he adopted the Adelson way of

756
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 10: thinking about Dan at the time, he was with Wendy.

757
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 10: That's what you do sometimes when you're in relationships, So

758
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 10: it could have been the perfect storm for him, but

759
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 10: thank goodness, he was able to person.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there other than brainwashing the boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested,

761
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Speaker 1: I'm curious about a conversation. According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey

762
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Speaker 1: La Cass, he says, Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys,

763
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Speaker 1: Dan Markel's wife.

764
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Speaker 3: That wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,

766
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Speaker 1: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother

767
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: looked into all options possible to take care of the

768
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would

769
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: cost about fifteen thousand dollars.

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00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

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00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Then there was a question, is this some kind of

772
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says, this was no joke.

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00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: Did that happen? Has the jury heard that evidence of

774
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: the conversation with Wendy Adelson?

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00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 12: They have.

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00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 8: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke

777
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: this all out Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was

778
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 8: able to bring this out of him, and she even

779
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 8: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of

780
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 8: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorced

781
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 8: president kind of thing as a joke, And he was like, no,

782
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 8: this is not a joke, because think about it in context, Nancy,

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00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 8: You've got Wendy Adelson volunteering that Charlie came up with

784
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 8: a plan and it would cost fifteen grand. That's beyond joking.

785
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 8: That's not an off handed comment. Is a very firm

786
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 8: I got to get this off my chest kind of thing.

787
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Speaker 1: And she did, you know what. And I don't care

788
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: how angry I get at my husband. If someone said, hey,

789
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a TV as a divorce present,

790
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: it's cheaper than a hitman, they would get a total

791
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: knuckle sandwich. Okay, But according to what the boyfriend says,

792
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: this was no joke. And let me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.

793
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: Has not been charged.

794
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: She is not a person of interest in the murder

795
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: of Dan Markel. Everyone in our country is innocent. They

796
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: are presumed innocent until and unless the state pierces that

797
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: presumption of innocence with guilt to prove the incident actually.

798
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: Happened and the defendant is guilty.

799
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, as of tonight, has not been charged as

800
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: a suspect or person of interest in this case, and

801
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds for the so called monster

802
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: in law, Donna Adelson. We remember an American hero, Detective

803
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: Irving Calendar, Newark PD, killed in the line of duty.

804
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: Survived by grieving wife Melissa, two sons, Irving and Robert,

805
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: and beautiful niece Zenaiah. American hero Detective Irving Calendar, Nancy

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00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,