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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm Gonna Make It Right

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Speaker 1: Meyers Win List Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday Night Football. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'll go one on one with wide receiver Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 1: who is off to an incredible start as an NFL rookie.

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joined me to discuss the latest Bengals news

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Speaker 1: and share some keys to beating the Jags. I'll catch

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Speaker 1: up with NFL Network host Colleen Wolf, who is in

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Speaker 1: And finally, it's our No the Faux segment as we

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Speaker 1: thing since the Ring of Honor tribute video. At halftime

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Speaker 1: of tonight's game, the Bengals will induct their inaugural Ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor class, made up of Paul Brown, Anthony Munio's,

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Speaker 1: on Bengals dot com and YouTube. It was written and

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Speaker 1: narrated by Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, and it's

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Speaker 1: a tremendous history lesson on this year's Ring of Honor class.

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Speaker 1: as you finish this podcast. Now, let's get to my guests,

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Speaker 1: beginning with Jamar Chase, who last week became the ninth

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Speaker 1: player in history to catch a touchdown pass and each

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Speaker 1: of his first three NFL games. Jamar, here's my first

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Speaker 1: hard hitting question, how the heck did you hold on

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Speaker 1: And if so, why did you tell him that? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. So that touchdown pass stung the fans in

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Speaker 1: We heard after the game that you were Joe Burrows

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Speaker 1: Lap Your first NFL coach and three of your former

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Speaker 1: week the week after a longer week to rust and recover.

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Speaker 1: But it is definitely a challenge. But like you say, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I mean, traveling makes it exponentially more of a challenge

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Speaker 1: in my mind than having to play at home. I'll

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Speaker 1: have those Kleenex ready in the booth for halftime on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I may need two boxes tonight's game. Whilaire nationally on

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on

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Speaker 1: the call. Kickoff is at eight twenty and two hours

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Speaker 1: and twenty minutes before that, Michael Irvin, Joe Thomas, and

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith Senior will be on the scene for the

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Speaker 1: NFL Game Day Kickoff Show, and I spoke to the

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Speaker 1: host of that show this week. NFL Game Day Kickoff

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Speaker 1: coverage on NFL Network starts at six o'clock on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: and we are joined by the outstanding host of that show,

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf. Colleen, what are you looking forward to on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: I'm obviously really excited to see these young quarterbacks. Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I love what he's been able to do with Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: The connection just really seems to have carried over from

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Speaker 1: college and we're seeing that now. The returns are very,

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Speaker 1: very promising early on here. And you know, it was

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Speaker 1: all and during draft season whether or not the Bengals

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Speaker 1: should get an offensive lineman, and oh my god, they

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Speaker 1: got a wide receiver and is that the right move?

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Speaker 1: And maybe that still isn't the case, but it seems

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Speaker 1: like everything is really working out in terms of the

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Speaker 1: passing game for Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, and I

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Speaker 1: just I really love these three wide receivers that the

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Speaker 1: Bengals have there. I just think that they have so

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Speaker 1: much talent. Even though Tehiggins he didn't play last week,

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Speaker 1: but Tyler Boyd I love his SaaS. I love that

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Speaker 1: he came out and he was like, yeah, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: they just quit last week, like you could just see

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Speaker 1: on that final drive. And that to me is so

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Speaker 1: interesting because it just feels like the entire division there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a change happening. NFL Network Coast

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Speaker 1: katleean Wolf is our guests. So the Bengals are two

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Speaker 1: and one after that win in Pittsburgh, their first win

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Speaker 1: there in six years. Aside from Burrow to Chase and

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers, what else about the team has impressed you? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think this defense. For sure, their defense has really improved.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're playing really well. They're allowing only

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Speaker 1: eighteen points per game, four point five yards per play

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Speaker 1: this season. And just the fact that they were able

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Speaker 1: to stack Ben Roethlisberger four times seventeen quarter pressures. We

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Speaker 1: haven't quarterback pressures. We haven't seen a game like that

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Speaker 1: in years and I love what linebacker Logan Wilson is doing.

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Speaker 1: I think that he's done a really great job. He

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Speaker 1: was a star against the Steelers, picked off Ben twice,

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Speaker 1: led the team in tackles with fourteen, so he's really

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Speaker 1: been fantastic. Larry Ogunjobi, who they brought in in the

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Speaker 1: offseason the Bengals, he's really made a difference inside too,

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Speaker 1: two of those run stuffs, three total tackles. But I

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Speaker 1: think really that this defense has playmakers at all three levels.

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Speaker 1: When you take a look at Ogunjobi with Trey Trey

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Speaker 1: Hendrickson upfront, DJ Reader, he doesn't get enough love. He's

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Speaker 1: really good, and I just feel like he really flies

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Speaker 1: under the radar. And then like Wilson I just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he leads the league right now in interceptions with three

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Speaker 1: and once Trey Wayans can get back. And I know

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Speaker 1: that that's a little bit of a sore subject for

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Speaker 1: a lot of Bengals fans. It seems like they've been

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Speaker 1: waiting forever what he's missed, like nineteen games, but three

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Speaker 1: games this season because of that hammy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if because of the short week, if that will play

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Speaker 1: any type of role in his return, but once they

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Speaker 1: get him back, then they really will have solid players

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Speaker 1: at all three levels. So it's only three games in,

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Speaker 1: but the Bengals, Ravens, and Browns are tied for first

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Speaker 1: place in the AFC North. The Steelers are one and two.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on the division and how soon can

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Speaker 1: the Bengals compete. I think that this is a division

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Speaker 1: that really could change, especially once you bring in Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow and you have all of these things working together.

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, he's been able to run the ball really well,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's to be able to get going

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Speaker 1: against this Jaguars defense too, because we saw the Texans

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Speaker 1: take advantage of them week one. I think that there

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Speaker 1: are still some growing paints that they need to work

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Speaker 1: out here, and I've been I've been impressed with what

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Speaker 1: I've seen so far. But I think Joe Burrow, he's

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Speaker 1: definitely he's had some growing paints here and there, but

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Speaker 1: he's played well this season. It's it's tough to shake

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Speaker 1: the Bears game with the three picks and the three passes.

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Speaker 1: That was just a rough stretch for Joe Burrow. But

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Speaker 1: I think he should have time in the pocket this week,

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Speaker 1: and I think that this early success, as long as

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Speaker 1: they can maybe start to build on this, if I

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Speaker 1: mean think about it, back to back wins. If they

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Speaker 1: can get the win over the Jags this week, that's

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Speaker 1: something for sure to hang your hat on. And the Browns,

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Speaker 1: they are so good at this point. It's a really

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Speaker 1: tough division with a lot of competition, but I think

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Speaker 1: that you can't count the Bengals out completely. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to Colleen Wolf. You can follow her on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf with an E on the end. Let's focus

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Speaker 1: in on the matchup on Thursday night. The Jags come

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Speaker 1: in oh and three. They've lost eighteen in a row,

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Speaker 1: but they've got Urban Meyer in Ohio. We know what

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Speaker 1: he's capable of as a coach. They've got Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. What are some

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Speaker 1: keys in your opinion on Thursday night? I think the

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Speaker 1: Jags will have a tough time running the ball for

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Speaker 1: sure because of this Bengals defense, as I kind of

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Speaker 1: just outlined, and that's really been the bright spot for

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Speaker 1: this Jaguars defenor offense. The fact that James Robinson and

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Speaker 1: Carlos Hide have have been really effective five point one

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Speaker 1: yards per carry six bess in the league, but Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: run defense has really improved this year. I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing Trevor Lawrence because I think he's in

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Speaker 1: a really unique situation right now, considering he had so

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Speaker 1: much success early on in his career, basically at every

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Speaker 1: stop until he got to Jacksonville. So he's kind of

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Speaker 1: just now becoming acquainted with losing for the first time

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Speaker 1: in his career. And he's had a tough schedule in

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Speaker 1: terms of defenses that he's had to face. Even Week one,

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Speaker 1: Lovey Smith and the Texans were able to scheme up

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Speaker 1: pressure for him, and then the Broncos one of the

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Speaker 1: best in the league. But we saw what the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: were able to do last week with the Cardinals, and

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Speaker 1: they were up on them pretty well at one point

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Speaker 1: in that game. So there's been a lot of growing

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Speaker 1: pains for Trevor Lawrence. I think that the mistakes have

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Speaker 1: been glaring because the expectations have been so high with

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Speaker 1: him the Fleet the pick six on the flee flicker

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Speaker 1: last week late in the game, has two fumbles that

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Speaker 1: really shut the door on the entire comeback effort. But

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Speaker 1: now he's thrown seven interceptions and he's only completing fifty

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Speaker 1: four percent of his passes. And this week it really

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Speaker 1: does not get a lot better against this Bengals defense

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Speaker 1: that has done a really great job of creating pressure.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you have a rookie quarterback on

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Speaker 1: the other side that has made some mistakes, you can

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Speaker 1: force him into doing some more. Probably this week, we

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Speaker 1: are looking forward to at you and the NFL Game

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Speaker 1: Day kickoff crew will be here at Paul Brown Stadium

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Travel safe and thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: the time. All right, thank you so much. It's on

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati last but not least, time to take a

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Speaker 1: closer look at a team that's just two losses away

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Speaker 1: from potentially becoming just the third team in NFL history

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Speaker 1: to lose twenty in a row. Gene Frenette is a

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Speaker 1: long time Jacksonville sports columnist, and he joined Lapping Me

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Speaker 1: this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. Our first

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Speaker 1: topic number one overall draft pick Trevor Lawrence, who has

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Speaker 1: seven interceptions and two lost fumbles in his first three

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Speaker 1: NFL games. Obviously the last game he played. He played

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Speaker 1: much better in this last game against the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Than he did against Houston or Denver. But the fleet

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Speaker 1: flicker interception, picks six, that's skewed a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: But he was much more accurate, a little bit much

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Speaker 1: more on point. I would say that except for the

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Speaker 1: fleet flicker, which was the past which you got some

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Speaker 1: pressure up in the middle from JJ Watt, I should

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Speaker 1: have just thrown it into the stands right that it

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Speaker 1: was a horrible decision, and Ben Trevor would be the

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Speaker 1: first one to tell you that. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at the rest of the game, I mean, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: were We're beating the Cardinals nineteen to ten. You know,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, the Cardinals were more than a touchdown

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Speaker 1: favorite in this game, and a lot of people had

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Speaker 1: picked the Cardinals to cover in this game. And now

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're down by nine in the

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Speaker 1: third quarter. And what happened was the defense gave up

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Speaker 1: a seventy five yard touchdown drive that got them within two.

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Speaker 1: And then on the very next series was when the

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Speaker 1: pick six happened. So it totally flipped the momentum of

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Speaker 1: the game. But up until that point, the Jaguars had

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Speaker 1: played a pretty solid game, particularly on defense. But you know,

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Speaker 1: but as we know, you know, the NFL is a

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Speaker 1: league where there's a lot of close games and they're

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Speaker 1: decided by two or three plays. You're there, and the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars have not been able to make those plays in

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Speaker 1: those game deciding moments. Interesting in that Robinson and Hide

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Speaker 1: have combined for fifty rushes for two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: five yards over five yards to carry. They've been pretty

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Speaker 1: efficient and effective, and Trevor Lawrence, they've thrown the football

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Speaker 1: fifty two more times than they've run it. Is it

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Speaker 1: just they fell behind so early in football games? I mean,

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Speaker 1: they seem to have a pretty good running attack and

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Speaker 1: an offensive line in the interior that can handle the

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Speaker 1: inside zone and duos and things of that nature. Is

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Speaker 1: it just because the circumstances of the game where you

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Speaker 1: have a rookie quarterback thrown at fifty more times than

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Speaker 1: they've then they've run it in the first three Some

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Speaker 1: of it is that there was a drive at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first half in Week two at which

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Speaker 1: they threw it eleven consecutive times, because you know, they

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Speaker 1: were in a two minute so that's a little bit understandable.

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Speaker 1: But overall, I would say, yes, there has been too

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Speaker 1: much of a reliance on the passing game. Some of

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Speaker 1: it is dictated by the score, some of it is

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Speaker 1: dictated by penalties early on in downs that you know,

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Speaker 1: put them away behind the chains. But overall, I would say, yes,

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Speaker 1: they are not. They needed to run the ball more,

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Speaker 1: and they did that finally in last week's game, and

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Speaker 1: that's what got them to lead. They had an eight

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Speaker 1: play seventy five yard drives in which in which they

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Speaker 1: never threw the ball. They went seventy five yards on

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Speaker 1: eight consecutive runs, and so you know, that was that

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Speaker 1: was kind of like the highlight of the game last

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Speaker 1: week for them. And then of course that was all

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Speaker 1: followed by what I had mentioned earlier, the Cardinals turning

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Speaker 1: around driving seventy five yards themselves and the six six

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Speaker 1: and but yeah, they It's rarely a recipe for a

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Speaker 1: winning formula when your quarterback is averaging, you know, forty

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Speaker 1: two throws, a rookie quarterback is averaging like the game, right,

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Speaker 1: which was the case more or less for Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: last year. We're visiting with Jacksonville sports columnist Jane Frenette

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Speaker 1: JAG zero and three. They've dropped eighteen straight going back

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Speaker 1: to last year's season opener when they beat the Colts.

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Speaker 1: But it's the NFL. Every team's got players who are

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Speaker 1: great college players. Where is Jacksonville strong And how do

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Speaker 1: they potentially pose a threat to knock off the Bengals

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Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football tomorrow? Well, I mean, for one thing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, the Bengals got all kinds of

641
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: injuries in their secondary, so I will be surprised if

642
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't try to exploit some of that with

643
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: Trevor and the receivers. I mean, Cincinnati's a nice team.

644
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: They're they're better than they have been, but you know,

645
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: they're not exactly a juggernaut. I mean, let's you know,

646
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: they beat what I felt was a very average to

647
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: below average Steeler team. While that's a great win for

648
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati because of the history of the Steelers, it's way

649
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: too early in the season right now to just kind

650
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: of really get a feel for how really good or

651
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: how really bad a team is. Yeah, we can make

652
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: those conclusions about the Jets, we can make some of

653
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: those conclusions about the LA Rams, But for the most part,

654
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I would say seventy five percent of this league right now,

655
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: you don't have you know a one certainty about what

656
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: kind of team they're gonna be, whether they're going to

657
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: be a playoff team, whether they're going to be a

658
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: last place Also, Ran, I mean, it's just we're only

659
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: three weeks into a seventeen game season, and to be

660
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, I like the Bengals Tomorrow night

661
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: for one reason, only one reason only, and that is

662
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: it's a short week and they're playing at home and

663
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are not. And as we know, Thursday night

664
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: games for road teams have not been very kind over

665
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: the years, and the Jaguars are no exception to that.

666
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: They're they're in their history. They're two and eight in

667
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: prime time games that includes Sunday Night, Monday Night, and

668
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: Thursday Night. And but given with the jet with the

669
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Bengal secondary looks like right now or could look like

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, uh, I give the Jaguars much more than

671
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: a puncher's chance of winning this game over fifty percent.

672
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: Probably not, but I would say I would certainly give

673
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: them a forty percent chance of winning this game. Do

674
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: you anticipate the uh? The coaches simplifying things for Trevor Lawrence,

675
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: do you do you anticipate, you know, it's it's a

676
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: deal where Daryl Bevill says, Okay, we're not gonna We're

677
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: not gonna burden you with a bunch of reads. You

678
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: can run the football, you can do their zone read,

679
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of things even when you're

680
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: throwing the football, maybe a couple of options. And then

681
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: your third best option is to try to run the

682
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: football a little bit. Now, you know, I don't want

683
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: to get guys hurt, obviously, particularly at that position. But

684
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: do you think there'll be a simplification in the offense

685
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: and they'll use more of a quarterback design run package.

686
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: And then also if he breaks, you know, if he

687
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: if he can make the passwash, breakdown scramble and pick

688
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: up yards together. The guy is a very talented runner

689
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: as well, isn't he. Yeah, but they had about I

690
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: think they had four designed zone read runs last week. Okay,

691
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: there were other instances where he ran because it was

692
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: a scramble situation. But if I'm the Jaguars, I'm not

693
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm having zone reads as a very small

694
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: part of Trevor Lawrence's package because the last thing you

695
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: want to do is getting him hurt. That. You know,

696
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: you get him hurt and you can you can the

697
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Jaguars can just kiss whatever. I hope they have to

698
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: be respectable this season. Goodbye you. You will feel the

699
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: energy drain out of that franchise. If Trevor Lawrence got hurt.

700
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: He needs the reps, he needs the experience, and that's

701
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: what this season should be about the Jaguars. Yet Trevor

702
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence to the point where he's gonna be as good

703
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: as a lot of people projecting to be. I think

704
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna be. I think he's going to be a

705
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: very good to great quarterback in this league for a

706
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: long time. But to get there, he's gonna have to

707
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: probably go through some growing things. You know, we might

708
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: be looking up at his statue a month from now

709
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: and seeing, you know, fifty seven, fifty eight percent completion percentage,

710
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: passer ratings in you know, seventy five, eighty three, maybe

711
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe a ninety eight mixed in there every once in

712
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: a while. Because he's gonna he's gonna have a breakout

713
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: game somewhere. Uh. You know, I feel pretty pretty sure

714
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: about that, because there's just too many games in the NFL.

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00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: The question is how much pain are you going to

716
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: have to go through to get this franchise, you know,

717
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: back to where it's at least you know, being competitive

718
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: weekend and week out, because uh, you know, I I

719
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: do have to give you this one reminder. Not only

720
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: do the Jaguars have an eighteen game losing streak, they've

721
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: lost their last seven by double digits. So you know,

722
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know some of them might be a

723
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: game where you know, somebody scorers in the last two

724
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: minutes to get it to double digits, but there hasn't

725
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: been really been too many of those, so the Jaguars

726
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: are gone. I've got to get to the point where

727
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: it's five minutes to go in the game and the

728
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: games a toss up. Either somebody's got to make a

729
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: drive to go win the game or somebody's gonna make

730
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: a stop to win the game. That's the point they've

731
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: got to get to. They're not there yet. Here's my

732
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: last question for Jackson Gold sports columnist Gene for Net.

733
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: In seven years at Ohio State, Urban Meyer never lost

734
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: more than two games. He's got three after three weeks

735
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. How is Urban coping? Well, I mean,

736
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're asking me to interpret

737
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: body language, and you know, postgame press conference moments, his

738
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: go to his go to line is basically after a

739
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: loss or you know, midweek press conferences, go to the

740
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: line is the locker room is great. These guys are

741
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: supporting each other. That's the one thing that gives me

742
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: a lot of them. And you know, hope is how

743
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: is how much this team is together? You know, I mean,

744
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: there are only so many positive places you can go

745
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: to right when you're getting beat by double digits. Right, So, uh,

746
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to necessarily single out anybody,

747
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: right because if you lose a game by eleven points,

748
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: twenty points or whatever, you know that that's not really

749
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: a time to be singling anybody out. And everybody knows

750
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: that Trevor has been struggling. But I'm also I also

751
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: should point this out. He's made about five or six

752
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: throws in these first three weeks that a lot of

753
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: the NFL quarterbacks just can't make. He's had two touchdown

754
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: passes to DJ Chart that we're just exploisit. Uh. You know,

755
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the last week's game film, the

756
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: twelve yard touchdown passed the DJ charka throwing the ball

757
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: way across the field was his third read on the play.

758
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: And you look at that and you go, oh, that's

759
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: why the Jaguars, that's why he's the number one pick.

760
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: That's why everybody's calling him a generational quarterback. So he

761
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: has those moments in him, but he also has the

762
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: flip size, you know, the mistakes. I mean seven of

763
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: his interceptions by Trevor's own the mission, you know, four

764
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: of them were just really bad decisions. But no, that's

765
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: that's life in the NFL. Peyton Manning twenty NFL record

766
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: twenty eight interceptions for a rookie when when he was

767
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts Troy eight been going one in

768
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: fifteen his first year. You know, these are Hall of

769
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: fame guys, So long way to go before. This is

770
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: just the start of Trevor Lawrence's journey. I think he's

771
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: going to be really good. It's just a question of

772
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: how when is he actually going to get to that point?

773
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Final question? Really shit, your carving, the time you have

774
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: for us special teams have been pretty special. I mean

775
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: there's there's no two ways about it. Cook is number

776
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: one in the NFL net punting third. I think in average.

777
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's been dynamic. Then agnew one hundred

778
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: and nine field goal return that was missed tis an

779
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: NFL record never to be broken. You can't you can't

780
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: go one hundred and ten you'd be out of bounds

781
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: and one of three guys to do it. And he

782
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: took a kickoff back one hundred and two yards. So

783
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: how good have overall of special team has been? Has

784
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: he kept them in games? And their three phases offense, defense?

785
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Special teams? How have they done well? Obviously the two

786
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: the two kick returns are are you know, really a huge?

787
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: The first one, unfortunately came with five minutes to go

788
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: in the game and a game that was you know,

789
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: pretty well already in hand, so that didn't really help

790
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: them all the all that much. But the kick returned

791
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: off the miss field goal last week on the last

792
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: play of the first half when there was no time

793
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: left of the clock, that was huge. Gave the Jaguars

794
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: a thirteen seven half time lead. Now here's the other

795
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: here's the flip side of that. Special Teams And you're right,

796
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Logan Cook, I think is got a chance to be

797
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: a pro bowler this year with his I mean, he's

798
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: just got an incredible leg and a nice touch for

799
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: putting balls inside the ten yard line. But here's the

800
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: flip side of it. Josh Lambo, the most accurate kicker

801
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL from twenty seventeen to two two twenty

802
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: over three in his first three games, miss back to

803
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: back extra points last week and is out for tomorrow

804
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: night's game for what the Jaguars have termed personal reasons.

805
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: So Matthew Wright, a kicker I've never heard of, is

806
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: going to be kicking for the Jaguars tomorrow night. And

807
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: and this, you know, it'll be interesting to see if

808
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: this goes along the line from last year when Josh

809
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: Lambeau had a hip issue and was out of the

810
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: lineup for about four straight games, came back and then

811
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: without the rest of the season. They tried four different

812
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: kickers to replace Lambeau, and uh and they just couldn't

813
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: they you know, they just couldn't really settle on one

814
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: that they really liked. So but very huge concern about

815
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Josh Lambeau between the missing kicks that he doesn't normally

816
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 1: miss and now he's and now he's missing this game

817
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: for personal reasons. I mean that you know, it makes you,

818
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder if his confidence is shot. Uh,

819
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: you know that's the pure speculations on my part. But

820
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: that is a flip side of the other two Special

821
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Teams contributors in Logan Cook and Jamal Agnew. So it's

822
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: it runs hot or cold for the Jaguars, and Agnew

823
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: has not been really been given an opportunity to return

824
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: up punt yet. I think he had one return for

825
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: like one yard and that was it. So but you know,

826
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: we'll see. But uh, certainly, I mean you get listen.

827
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how many NFL teams in history. I've

828
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: had back to back week of a kick return touchdown

829
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: and lost both games by double digits. Our thanks to

830
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: Jean for Neette And here's a quick reminder to join

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Speaker 1: lapping me for the Bengals pep Rally show this Friday

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