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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Thomas Massey's congressional race ad spending

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Speaker 1: has surpassed thirty two million dollars. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today. Co host of the I've

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Speaker 1: Had It podcast, Jennifer Welsh stops by to talk about

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Speaker 1: how the very swing voters that gave us Trump now

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Speaker 1: talk to Representative Jason Crow about Trump's MAGA slush fund

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Speaker 1: and the new levels of robbing the federal government has reached.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So Molly Todd Bunch, acting agy is on the stand

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Speaker 2: today testifying, and well, let's just say this. He didn't

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Speaker 2: So I guess it was better than Pam BONDI, but

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Speaker 2: I can't say it was much better.

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Speaker 1: Look, man, all I can say to you is that

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Speaker 1: Todd Blanch, like everyone in this administration, did what they

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Speaker 1: all have to do sooner or later, which is defend

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Speaker 1: the indefensible. And so he did. He was in a

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Speaker 1: panicked state. According to this reporting during these Senate Appropriations hearing,

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Speaker 1: he tried to justify Trump's anti weaponization fund. That's one

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Speaker 1: point eight billion dollar slush fund.

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Speaker 2: My, they're going to make it seventy six, so it's

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Speaker 2: a nice round number. He's going to be generous to

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Speaker 2: the American people.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We're not going to assure that President Trump

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Speaker 1: will get the proceeds from this fund his family. Democratic

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Speaker 1: Senator Jack Reid asked, and Blanche said, correct. And then

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Speaker 1: that quickly fell apart. When Senator Jack Reid as who

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Speaker 1: will direct the distribution of this money? Than he couldn't

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Speaker 1: he fell apart. Five individuals that will be set up.

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Speaker 1: Three of them are in the room with me right now.

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Speaker 1: One of them lives in Canada. Who will name the commissioners?

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Speaker 1: Read asked. I will whoever the attorney general is, and

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Speaker 1: one of them will be done in consultation with the

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Speaker 1: leadership of this body, said Blanche, Yeah, ignoring reports or

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Speaker 1: perhaps just lying that Trump himself will have the ultimate say.

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Speaker 1: Who was to bet that Avanka or Eric is in

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Speaker 1: this group. This is a completely insane, totally illegal scheme.

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Speaker 1: It's an obvious abuse of power. And don't take my

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Speaker 1: and this whole idea about these commissioners. So Blanche says,

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Speaker 1: the commissioners will decide, and Jack Reid says, who are

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Speaker 1: going to be named the commissioners? And Blanche says, we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real, who going to stop me? Corrupt bullshit if

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Speaker 3: you ask me?

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Speaker 1: Correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So now we get to the where we lighten

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Speaker 2: up the move because laughing my ass. Trump is endorsed

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Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, the Texas Senate race as who will go

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Speaker 2: up against James tall Rico. This is great news for

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Speaker 2: DEM's ed. Absolutely fucking hilarious news for how this administration rolls.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I kind of love it. It's a heartwarming story

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Speaker 1: of whatever the fuck this is. Trump endorsed Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 1: Cornyn has done everything he possibly can to try to

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Speaker 1: get Trump's endorsement, including posing with his dumb book on

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Speaker 1: the internet. The book you didn't even write or perhaps

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Speaker 1: even read, so quite an insane bit of sorcery. Here. Look,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. I think it's a really good

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Speaker 1: example of how Trump will in the end, he crushes everything.

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Speaker 1: He creates a world in which people reveal their truest,

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Speaker 1: worst selves. And so this is probably not a huge shock,

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Speaker 1: but Republicans have poured money into the Cornan situation. They hit.

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Speaker 1: Republican donors have just really poured money into this, and

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Speaker 1: now instead of avoiding a messy runoff, Trump has done

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Speaker 1: like absolutely the worst thing politically for anyone. They have

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Speaker 1: but assured that Paxton will win. Cornan's allies have spent

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Speaker 2: What it is is it ranks the top ten most

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Speaker 1: Measure, right, and all that money wasted. And now, by

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Speaker 2: I mean the polling shows that it's way easier to

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Speaker 1: Because Paxton is a fucking criminal. Excuse my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the one thing that makes me sad

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Speaker 2: all the disgusting things I know about.

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Speaker 3: His personal life Paxton.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which also after seeing texts from Thomas Massey yesterday

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Speaker 2: on the Internet, I feel the same. But I want

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a theory that Trump being obsessed with the

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Speaker 2: that obsession, he is now pushing John Thune to fire

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Speaker 1: I mean that is amazing. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Tell me the deal wanting to fire.

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Speaker 1: The Senate Parliamentarium.

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Speaker 3: Is who are amongst us? Situation?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? It's a who amongst us situation? A lot of

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Speaker 1: people want to fire those Senate parliamentarian I mean I've

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Speaker 1: certainly been there myself. The thing that's so crazy about

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Speaker 1: And you could see how you might want to fire

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Speaker 1: the Senate Parliamentarian because of his ballroom. And this is

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Speaker 2: Smiley Now where you get to the weird intersection of

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Speaker 2: where this is stupid, But I think it's actually very

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Speaker 2: somewhat important. Actually, have you ever tried a zin?

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Speaker 1: I have not tried a zen, but I was reading.

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Speaker 2: God, let me do some man splaitting to the audience

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Speaker 2: why the fuck is Jesse asking Bali this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goddamn it a zin.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, is a tobacco

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, any of you who are on the internet

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. Have you seen that photo?

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Speaker 3: I unfortunately have seated it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, look, RFK is seventy four and

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Speaker 1: Trump is seventy nine, almost eighty. And those are not

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Speaker 1: the hands of people who look helseate like they're blue,

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Speaker 1: These are hands that look like they have drank a

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Speaker 1: lot of die coke. Now there are three die cokes behind.

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Speaker 2: To say, kit, Can I tell you my favorite conspiracy

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Speaker 1: The how long gone podcast, please please.

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Speaker 2: The reason RFK doesn't take off the jeeds, they look

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Speaker 1: The reason RFK doesn't take off the jeens is because

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Speaker 2: You know, you and I did learn about the exercising

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of important stuff here, and I think

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of health crisises in this country

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Speaker 4: scholar to your listeners that don't know, she's the premier

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Speaker 4: scholar on fascist authoritarians and dictators. And so I thought

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Speaker 4: that was a really interesting analysis from her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I also think Peter Keo, who is

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Speaker 1: the main driver behind jd Vance, has a terrible picker.

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Speaker 1: Like you'll remember, this is the guy who picked Blake

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Speaker 1: Masters in Arizona. Remember Blake Masters. Yeah, yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: think he is uniquely bad at and thank god for

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Speaker 1: that because Yeah, I wonder let's talk about when you

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Speaker 1: look at where we are in this moment, there have

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Speaker 1: been like a lot of really interest. So there's this

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Speaker 1: we're now experimenting with theories. So I have a theory

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Speaker 1: that I want to shop to you, okay, which is

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Speaker 1: this new breed of democratic candidate who is we I

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Speaker 1: have had a bunch of them on the podcast. Ron

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Speaker 1: Rob sand is running for governor of Iowa. He is

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Speaker 1: the Iowa State Auditor, which is an elected statewide Dan

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Speaker 1: Osborne in Nebraska, he's running for Senate again in Maine.

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Speaker 1: It's the guy is Platner Grand Platner. So these are

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Speaker 1: all candidates who are They're not left versus left, they're

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Speaker 1: up versus down. They are working people making the case

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Speaker 1: that the elites have gotten out of control and that

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Speaker 1: it's sort of working people versus elites. And they don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have you know, Dan Osborne is running as an

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Speaker 1: independent sand says stuff like it's not red or blue,

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Speaker 1: it's good and true, you know. So I just wonder

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Speaker 1: what you think about that as a possible lane for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: I think it's smart because they come across as fighters,

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Speaker 4: and I think if you were to pull collectively, what

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Speaker 4: the frustration is of being a Democrat right now is

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Speaker 4: that why are these people not fighting harder? And so

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Speaker 4: Platner and the others that you mentioned come across as fighters.

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Speaker 4: And the person who most recently did this quite successfully

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Speaker 4: was Zoron. It was up versus down, and he took

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Speaker 4: on the Democratic establishment, kicked Andrew Cuomo's ass twice. And

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Speaker 4: I think that this is an antidote for why the

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Speaker 4: electorate was so primed to fall prey to fascism because

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Speaker 4: both parties left them astray. Now objectively, molly from somebody

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Speaker 4: who lived in a red state, Republicans are the worst,

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Speaker 4: the worst, most damaging. Republican super majorities horrible for population

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Speaker 4: and for its citizens. But Democrats also, after Citizens United,

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Speaker 4: have been broken by taking corporate money. When you find

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Speaker 4: out that Chuck Schumer and Hawking Jeffries are taking money

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Speaker 4: from a lot of the same people who are funding fascism,

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Speaker 4: you don't feel like they're really going to fy for you.

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Speaker 4: So when you have these populists that come out and

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Speaker 4: say the problem is these corporations, and really it's smart messaging,

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Speaker 4: think about it like this. Let me tell you some

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Speaker 4: of the Republican lives that have been so effective in

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Speaker 4: the Bible Belt is that these workers, these people are lazy,

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Speaker 4: They are on government assistance. Why should you have to

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Speaker 4: pay for them? Why should you have to pay for

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Speaker 4: somebody's health care? And the Democrats need to flip that

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Speaker 4: script and talk about how parasitic the corporations are. They

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Speaker 4: get tax breaks, they get subsidies. So I think candidates

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Speaker 4: that are pointing this out are a real threat to

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Speaker 4: the Democratic establishment, and I think we're going to see

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Speaker 4: a lot of them break through because the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 4: although not the main player in cultivating the soil for

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Speaker 4: fascism definitely left some people in the lurch by servicing

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Speaker 4: corporations and not servicing workers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also I think that's true. And I

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Speaker 1: also think that it undermines them right even if there's

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Speaker 1: not even if their hearts are in the right place,

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Speaker 1: which again who knows, it undermines their ability to speak

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Speaker 1: to the electorate right there. I mean that was the

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Speaker 1: thing with Harris right refusing, and I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was necessarily her fault, but there were certain issues that

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Speaker 1: she did not touch, and ultimately those issues made some

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Speaker 1: people stay on the count. I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think that one thing Trump did well and it

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Speaker 4: paints me to say that sentence Trump did it does

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Speaker 4: but he went out and he spoke to everybody everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Was he a liar yes, was he a nut yes?

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Speaker 4: But it seemed it had the appearance for people that

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Speaker 4: don't die hard political junkies like you, me and your listener,

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Speaker 4: that he was untethered and willing to talk about anything.

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Speaker 4: And to the contrary, Kamala was disciplined, reserved.

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Speaker 1: Didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Many interviews, didn't do that many podcasts, And I think

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Speaker 4: politicians need to go out step in it, make mistakes

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Speaker 4: write out the news cycle. You know what, let the

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Speaker 4: chips fall where they may and be available to the

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Speaker 4: electorate on any subject at any time. And I like,

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of politicians on my podcast, and

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Speaker 4: I asked them a lot of rapid fire questions yes

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Speaker 4: or no yes, because like had Corey Booker on one

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Speaker 4: time asking me yes or no question, he gives me

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Speaker 4: a paragraph answer. We're done with that, you know, just

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Speaker 4: give us a yes or no answer on stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, And I also think say what you believe. One

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Speaker 1: of the things I was really impressed with that AOC

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Speaker 1: did when she was recently asked about whether or not

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Speaker 1: she's going to run for president by John you know,

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Speaker 1: by John Podesto, who is who has been around a

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Speaker 1: long time and is pretty smart about this kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Instead of saying like a fake, big, fake bullshit answer,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of senators would or a lot of

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Speaker 1: members of Congress would, she said, you know what, if

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Speaker 1: single payer is more important than me running for president,

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Speaker 1: which is like, yes, it's a deflection, but it's a

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Speaker 1: very smart deflection. And if you're going to deflect in

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Speaker 1: a very smart way, then we got to give it

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 4: You know, I agree she's a very skilled politician, and

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Speaker 4: I think you have to be both.

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Speaker 1: You have to believe in.

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Speaker 4: Something and you have to be really skilled to be

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Speaker 4: a Democrat now Republican. You can just be skilled at

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Speaker 4: those things and believe in fucking nothing and be a

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Speaker 4: nihilist to your core. But it's going to be interesting

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Speaker 4: to see what breaks through and how much the democratic

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Speaker 4: establishment is ready for the base, because I think those

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Speaker 4: two things are out of sync right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do too, And I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: see a Democratic I think there's a scenario where we

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Speaker 1: see a Democratic key party, and I don't think Democrats

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Speaker 1: are ready.

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Speaker 4: No, I think you're exactly right. I can just tell

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Speaker 4: your listeners my friends from Oklahoma City that have been

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Speaker 4: friends of mine for a long time that are moderates,

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Speaker 4: reasonable moderate not they've never had to be too political

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Speaker 4: because their skin and their income didn't cause them to

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Speaker 4: dive into politics that much. And I know that sounds whatever,

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Speaker 4: but that's the reality for some Americans. They are so

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Speaker 4: upset by all of this, and the more they read

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Speaker 4: and the more they listen, the more left they go.

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Speaker 4: And Trump's policies and the Democratics, the Democratic parties lack

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Speaker 4: of fight are radicalizing everyday Americans. And I use the

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Speaker 4: word radicalized, but I almost think that's disingenuous. I would

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Speaker 4: say we're all getting deprogrammed a little bit off of

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Speaker 4: the way everybody wants us to.

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Speaker 1: Let it be.

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Speaker 4: One thing Trump is done, and I hope the Democrats

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Speaker 4: learn from this. You know how we've always been told

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Speaker 4: we have to do things slowly and incrementally. Well, this

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Speaker 4: amephor has gone in all gas, no breaks, and if

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Speaker 4: the Democrats get it back, it's got to be the

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Speaker 4: same type of governing, that type of speed.

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Speaker 1: For sure. Jennifer, Jennifer, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You are the best. I love you, Mollie, I love you.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to do it. I'm so there,

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Speaker 1: you go, you got it, mare, you go. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Representative Jason Crow represents Colorado six Congressional District. Welcome. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Representative Jason. Now, I shouldn't say that, Kraush, you.

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Speaker 5: Can say that, say that. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: So very excited to have you on, and especially when

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Speaker 1: we are facing down the Donald Trump slush fund one

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Speaker 1: point three five billion dollars for how is that legal?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's seventeen seventies. Well he's come up with another

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Speaker 6: seventeen seventy six payout, right, So it's one point seven

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Speaker 6: seven six billion, and you know, apparently it's legal because

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Speaker 6: he says it's legal, right, And you know, yet again

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Speaker 6: we see another example of something that you know that

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Speaker 6: normally people just wouldn't do because it's crazy and beyond

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Speaker 6: the pale that he's willing to do that we're going

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Speaker 6: to have to add to our list of democracy reforms,

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Speaker 6: things that we're going to have to codify and actually

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Speaker 6: put into law going forward.

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Speaker 1: There's like a lot of reporting on it. Some of

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Speaker 1: it is like kind of speculative, but there's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be like five trusts. There's a question of transparency, and

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Speaker 1: there's sort of know what I read in the journal

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Speaker 1: was there's not really an answer for transparency, but that

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Speaker 1: there will be five trustees, one of which will maybe

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Speaker 1: be chosen by Congress. It strikes me that this is

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Speaker 1: the kind of thing that Todd Blanche sort of knows

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Speaker 1: he's on such shaky ground that perhaps larger pushback could

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Speaker 1: put sand in the gears. Do you think that's right

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Speaker 1: or now?

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Speaker 6: They never failed to disappoint me every time I'm like, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: maybe this is the moment where they've gone too far,

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Speaker 6: or they're going to have some sense of what it's

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Speaker 6: right and wrong, they almost always blow through those with me.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I just don't hold my breath anymore

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Speaker 6: that this is the straw that's going to break the

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Speaker 6: camel's back, because after an insurrection and impeachments and war started,

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Speaker 6: war's lost them trying to indict me and send me

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Speaker 6: to prison. You know, I'm just not going to think

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Speaker 6: they're going to do the right thing here. So you know,

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Speaker 6: that's why we're going to retake the majority, and that's

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Speaker 6: why we're going to do appropriate investigations and root out corruption.

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Speaker 6: And you know, one point seven billion dollars on top

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Speaker 6: of all the other money that they're wasting of taxpayer

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Speaker 6: dollars to go into the Trump family's pockets or the

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Speaker 6: pockets of their loyalist myth. I always say that you

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Speaker 6: can explain most of what Donald Trump in this administration

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Speaker 6: does by by just a couple of simple things. Either

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Speaker 6: it enriches themselves or their families or supporters, it's vengeance

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Speaker 6: against his perceived political enemies, or it's a Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: Vanity project. You ninety plus percent of what they do

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Speaker 6: fall into one of those buckets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Speed of which was that morning, Joe,

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Speaker 1: this morning where we met, we're talking about the straits.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me Donald Trump is clearly in a war

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Speaker 1: he can't get out of fast enough. It seems there's

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Speaker 1: not a good option. It feels like the Iranians are

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Speaker 1: you know that the toll option is their favorite. Does

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Speaker 1: it seem to you there's any way out of this thing?

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Speaker 1: And if so, what would it be?

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Speaker 6: Well, there's no way out of this so long as

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Speaker 6: America continues to confuse tactics with strategy, right, like this

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Speaker 6: is this is actually our longest running problem that we

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Speaker 6: look at military success and tactical success somehow.

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Speaker 5: As the same as a strategy.

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Speaker 6: Right, we did this, We've got we've done this going

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Speaker 6: back to Vietnam. Like we look at body counts. You

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Speaker 6: look at number of victories, you look at the number

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Speaker 6: of tanks destroyed, We look at number of aircraft destroyed,

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Speaker 6: and we just tally that up and we then we

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Speaker 6: then transfer that to some number, some kind of magic

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Speaker 6: number of degradation of the enemy, and then that's supposed

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Speaker 6: to translate to victory. We did the same thing in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 6: we did the same thing in Iraq, and we're literally

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Speaker 6: doing the same thing right now. I just got out

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Speaker 6: of an Armed Services Committee hearing just a couple of

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Speaker 6: hours ago, where I listened to commanders, including the commander

653
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Speaker 6: who's carrying out the war in Iran right now, explained

654
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Speaker 6: to me what percent of Iranian weapons and military equipments destroyed,

655
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Speaker 6: how this is a total military victory, And it sounded

656
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Speaker 6: no different to me than all the briefings, all the

657
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Speaker 6: hearings in the decades of military commanders, generals, and admirals

658
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Speaker 6: saying the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it's

659
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Speaker 6: going to have the same result. We're going to spend

660
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Speaker 6: trillions of dollars, Americans are going to die, Working class

661
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Speaker 6: Americans are going to fight and die, Working class Americans

662
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Speaker 6: are going to do the vast majority of the pain

663
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Speaker 6: of taxes to finance it, and it's going to end poorly.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me that this sort of non political military

665
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Speaker 1: seems much more effective than the sort of top level

666
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Speaker 1: that Trump put in there, the top layer. But when

667
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Speaker 1: you talk about this war, it feels like what we're

668
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: hearing from our and from this administration does not match

669
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Speaker 1: the reporting that we're seeing. You know, just like with

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Speaker 1: negotiations with China, you know, where the administration does not

671
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Speaker 1: seem like it's telling the truth. It's not matching reporting

672
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: we're seeing. I know you're shocked to hear this. Shocked,

673
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: but you know, we keep seeing reporting coming out that

674
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Speaker 1: says that doesn't match. And even like you know, with China,

675
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Speaker 1: it's not clear that we're getting the redown. And even

676
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Speaker 1: with this negotiation with the Iranians, like the Iranians are like,

677
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: that's not true, and it does seem like they may

678
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: be closer to telling the truth than our American government.

679
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: How does that square? And also, you're hearing stuff obviously

680
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: that the rest of us are not because you're in

681
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: this other level of gossified. So, I mean, is that true?

682
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Speaker 1: And it's so where does that stop? Is there some

683
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: like political news that we are getting that you're not

684
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: getting right?

685
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: But this is the least transparent and least honest administration

686
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 6: in American history. Despite the fact that they roll Donald

687
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 6: Trump out in front of the cameras all the time

688
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 6: and they say it's the most.

689
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Speaker 5: Transparent, they're evidence for this being the.

690
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Speaker 6: Most transparent administration is the fact that Donald Trump is

691
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 6: always in front of cameras. Now he's always lying, he's

692
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: always saying crazy things. But they're like, hey, look he's

693
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 6: always out talking to the media.

694
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Speaker 5: We're the most transparent.

695
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Speaker 6: But what's actually happening is they're kicking all the journalists

696
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Speaker 6: out of the Pentagon. They're reducing media's access to almost

697
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 6: every government agency. They've stonewalled Congress, they don't reply to

698
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 6: most of our letters, most of our requests for information.

699
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Speaker 6: We receive a fraction of the briefings and hearings that

700
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Speaker 6: we used to do under any administration, Republican or Democrat.

701
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Speaker 6: So it's very hard for us to even get information.

702
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Speaker 6: And then they just outright lie to the American people

703
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 6: about what's happening and what's not happening. So that is

704
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 6: the reality, right, and it's not my opinion, it's.

705
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Speaker 5: Just objectively true.

706
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Speaker 6: You can look at the number of hearings, you can

707
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 6: look at the number of briefings, you can look at

708
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 6: the number of letters that have gone unresponded to. You

709
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 6: can look at the number of journalists who've been kicked

710
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Speaker 6: out of the Pentagon.

711
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Speaker 5: Almost all of them by the way, it is.

712
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Speaker 6: Pretty stunning because they don't want Americans to see what's happening.

713
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Speaker 6: They don't want Americans to see how their taxpayer dollars

714
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Speaker 6: are being wasted. Then they don't want people to know

715
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Speaker 6: the truth because the truth is pretty ugly in most cases.

716
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Speaker 1: If you have to sort of make decisions on the

717
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: information you get, where are you getting the information, Like

718
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Speaker 1: the confidential briefings you're getting are legit or do you

719
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: feel like there's politics in there too?

720
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's certainly politics in there too.

721
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Speaker 6: So you know, what I have to do over a

722
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Speaker 6: site for a member of Congress or I'll to speak

723
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: for myself, has changed a lot, right, Like I have

724
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Speaker 6: to now do more of a calculus when I'm listening

725
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Speaker 6: to someone, whether it's an open briefing or close briefing,

726
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Speaker 6: what are they saying?

727
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Speaker 5: How is that?

728
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Speaker 6: I have to do more homework, right because I just

729
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: can't expect the briefer, even in classified settings they come

730
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Speaker 6: in and tell me the truth, or even when the

731
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: cameras aren't on. I have to go and read all

732
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Speaker 6: the underlying stuff myself. So I'm reading the CIA wires,

733
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Speaker 6: I'm reading the briefing books, and I used to do

734
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Speaker 6: a lot of that anyhow, but I'm doing more of

735
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Speaker 6: it now because I have to have more data points

736
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Speaker 6: to then compare that against what the briefer is telling me.

737
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Speaker 6: And I'm also relying on the non traditional sources more right,

738
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Speaker 6: my relationships with journalists, my relationships with former military officers,

739
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Speaker 6: former political appointees, people who are networked within Washington. You know,

740
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Speaker 6: I'm talking, I'm having coffees, I'm having phone calls.

741
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Speaker 5: Oversight. To do it right, we've.

742
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Speaker 6: Had to expand the aperture of what we do and

743
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Speaker 6: who I talk to and where I gather information from

744
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Speaker 6: to get more data points to triangulate onto the truth.

745
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of not s It's almost as if

746
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Speaker 1: you're actively having to figure out what's going on without

747
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Speaker 1: the assistance of the federal government, which is basically their job.

748
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Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, Well, it's like being a detective, like being

749
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 6: a good member of Congress. Doing effective oversight is more

750
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 6: like detective work now than it is actually just sitting

751
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 6: here and asking questions and getting information and trying to

752
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Speaker 6: make policy, which is, you know, not how it's supposed

753
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: to be ultimately, and there's always some element of that

754
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: you don't get me wrong, Like, you know this this

755
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 6: is not totally a new new thing.

756
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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is that is it has just been.

757
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 6: Blowing out of the water now, you know, where whereas

758
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 6: maybe ten percent twenty percent of what we used to

759
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 6: do is detective work, right because nobody comes up, you know,

760
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 6: no administration comes up and doesn't have their own agenda.

761
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 6: You have to kind of figure out what's going on

762
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Speaker 6: and cipher people's interests through that. But instead of you know,

763
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 6: ten twenty percent, it's like ninety percent of what we

764
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 6: do now, this is just the point pendulum has swung

765
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Speaker 6: completely in that direction.

766
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Speaker 1: Congress has had some success with discharge petitions, which is

767
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Speaker 1: I think the word is unprecedented. Do you feel like

768
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Speaker 1: there should be more of that. One of the problems

769
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: you've probably find in Congress is that contempt just doesn't

770
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: have the teeth, which is ironic because my grandfather was

771
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: jailed for contempt of Congress during the House of American activities.

772
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: So like it just doesn't have the teeth it used to,

773
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, so talk us through that.

774
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there should be more discharged petitions. You know,

775
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 6: if if the majority right now isn't an effective governing majority,

776
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 6: which is not right because they constantly cancel votes, they

777
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 6: constantly shift the vote schedule. They don't they you know

778
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 6: the right now that the war between the Republican conference.

779
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: They're kind of eating their own and then there's a

780
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 6: battle between House Republicans and Senate Republicans. They're not even

781
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 6: talking to each other half the time, so you know,

782
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 6: Speaker Johnson in Thune are constantly at odds and battling

783
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Speaker 6: each other. And that's before they even come the Democrats,

784
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 6: which sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Usually they don't

785
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 6: these days. They just do their own thing and they

786
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 6: don't come to us for a negotiation or try to

787
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 6: come up with a bipartisan compromise.

788
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Speaker 5: So it's not a functioning Congress.

789
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Speaker 6: And the classic sense, I mean, things do get passed,

790
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 6: but a fraction of what would normally or should normally

791
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 6: be passed, which you know comes back to the break

792
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 6: the fever.

793
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: There just has to be new people here.

794
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 6: There has to be a new majority because it's just

795
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 6: not functioning the way it has to be. And you

796
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 6: can trace the increase of discharge petitions to that, you know,

797
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: non functioning things that would normally go through committee, can't.

798
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 6: They won't, and then we were forced to try to

799
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 6: do either privileged votes, which is what we've been doing

800
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Speaker 6: for war powers, which forces a vote something that has

801
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 6: was called privileged status, or to do a discharge petition.

802
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Speaker 1: You are from Colorado. Governor Poulis made I think a

803
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Speaker 1: pretty problematic commutation of Tina Peters. I'm curious if you

804
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Speaker 1: have thoughts on that.

805
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I came right out and condemned that.

806
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 6: I think it was a horrible move. If anybody thinks

807
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 6: that you can appease or play kate Donald Trump by

808
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 6: doing something like this, you're not paying attention.

809
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Speaker 3: Right.

810
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Speaker 6: First of all, Tina Peters is guilty. She was found

811
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Speaker 6: guilty not by politicians, but by a jury of her peers, right,

812
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 6: and then sentenced by a judge. She showed no remorse

813
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 6: right commutation, and you know, pardons are usually supposed to

814
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 6: be for people who we maybe were either wrongfully convicted,

815
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 6: there are questions about the conviction, or showed remorse and

816
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 6: contrition and they have been rehabilitated, right, that is, you

817
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 6: know what justice requires for commutations. None of those things

818
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 6: are true in this case. So I think it sets

819
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Speaker 6: a terrible example that we are in an era where

820
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Speaker 6: rule of law in our democracy is being challenged and

821
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Speaker 6: pushed and contested every single day.

822
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Speaker 5: And what we need as leaders who will hold.

823
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Speaker 6: Firm and uphold rule of law, uphold the Constitution, not

824
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Speaker 6: those who will capitulate in the way that the governor

825
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 6: did try to appease someone who very clearly will never

826
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Speaker 6: be appeaced, right, I mean, just look at the last

827
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Speaker 6: ten years. If anybody Republican or Democrat thinks that there's

828
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 6: any shred of loyalty by this president, that there's any

829
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Speaker 6: sense that, you know, you can buy yourself good grace

830
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 6: or courtesy or appeasement with any action, history just does

831
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Speaker 6: not show them.

832
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Speaker 1: I'm in it's just wild. And I can see how

833
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Speaker 1: the decision making is probably that he thought that he

834
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Speaker 1: could get st funds. But the Stephonic example is so instructive. Right.

835
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Speaker 6: One of my favorite quotes is Winston Churchill's quote leading

836
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Speaker 6: up to World War Two, because you know, Neville Chamberlain

837
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Speaker 6: in the UK was appeasing, trying to appease Hiller and

838
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Speaker 6: and try to keep him from invading the UK in France.

839
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Speaker 6: And remember Churchill basically said appeasement is like feeding the

840
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Speaker 6: alligator hoping that.

841
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Speaker 5: It will eat you last right like and that just

842
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 5: it just never works.

843
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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how plays out with the

844
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Speaker 1: billionaire class who has just been more than happy to

845
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: disappoint the few of us who still thought they were

846
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: capable of doing the right thing. Just as you're watching

847
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Speaker 1: these midterms, are there any races that you are like

848
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: watching them, that you see opportunities for Democrats or anything

849
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: that you are concerned about, et cetera.

850
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I'm watching all of them on the chair

851
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 6: of the battleground for the House Democrats, and I'm responsible.

852
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Speaker 6: I've been recruiting a lot of these folks the last

853
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Speaker 6: fourteen months, so recruiting these candidates, gaining then a step up.

854
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 6: Many of them have answered the call for our country.

855
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Speaker 6: You know, incredible servant leaders, people who generally don't come

856
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: from politics, but they come from you know, business and

857
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: law and healthcare, in the military. A lot of veterans

858
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Speaker 6: running again, you know, as many veterans as ran in

859
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 6: my year in twenty eighteen. These people are stepping up

860
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 6: a great personal risk to them and their families, making

861
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Speaker 6: big sacrifices.

862
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 5: These aren't folks who.

863
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Speaker 6: Have been sitting around for the last ten or twenty years, like, oh,

864
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Speaker 6: I just can't wait to be a member of Congress, right, Like,

865
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Speaker 6: that's not who these people are, That's not what they're doing.

866
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Speaker 5: Like they're doing other things.

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Speaker 6: They've been, you know, building businesses, raising families, like living

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Speaker 6: their lives. But they've stepped up because our country needs them.

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Speaker 6: They know that they're patriotic folks. They're fighting hard. And

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Speaker 6: there are many like the Hellcats is a favorite group

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Speaker 6: of mind, this group of women veterans who I have supported,

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Speaker 6: who I'm mentoring. You know, we have Kate Conley and

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Speaker 6: New York. We have Rebecca Bennett in New Jersey, Joanna

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Speaker 6: Mendoza in Arizona, Maris Sullivan in New Hampshire. You know,

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Speaker 6: there's Baille Dalton in Florida, Lee La Gray also in Florida.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these are incredible people who are fighting back.

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Speaker 6: And that's the story of the moment. You know, you

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Speaker 6: had said, Molly, you know the billionaire class and how

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Speaker 6: disappointed they've been and how they've you know, cowed and

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Speaker 6: bent the knee. That always happens in American history. It

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Speaker 6: is almost always the case that the elites in the

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Speaker 6: top folks ben the knee and capitulate. And the people

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Speaker 6: who come and save everybody and swoop in are those

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Speaker 6: with the most to lose, the most vulnerable, from the

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Speaker 6: bottom up.

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Speaker 5: They rise up and make change. And that's what's happening

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Speaker 5: right now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Jason, Thanks Molly, No moment,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, So Molly.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while I throw something at fuckery

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Speaker 2: that we're on the side of, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting development. So it's a bit of fuckery. We

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Speaker 2: are seeing Minnesota be the first day to ban prediction markets.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Governor Tim, our friend, Governor Tim banning the prediction

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Speaker 1: markets like a boss. Yep, And FYI, let's do data

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Speaker 1: farms next. How bad that. Let's go, Governor Tim. Data

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Speaker 1: farms are next. Look, it's good. Nobody should be betting

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Speaker 1: on this. The whole make America a casino experiment sucks.

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Speaker 1: Let's not do a team. That's it for this episode

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