Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirty six of The Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I'm been O'Brien and today I am joined by Land Tawny.
Speaker 1: Land Tawny is the CEO of a group called back
Speaker 1: Country Hunters and Anglers Push Up, hope you are all
Speaker 1: aware of. We've had his colleague John Gayle on before
Speaker 1: to talk about what b h A is, what they
Speaker 1: do Land in this podcast, he and I didn't really
Speaker 1: get into the nuts and bolts of b H and
Speaker 1: then in the inner workings and what it is. So
Speaker 1: if you've never heard of that, stop now and go
Speaker 1: back and find my podcast with John Gayle and give
Speaker 1: it a listen, because it will give you a lot
Speaker 1: of background on the organization. But if you do know
Speaker 1: what b J is and you do know who Land is, um,
Speaker 1: hopefully this will be a great exploration of what he thinks,
Speaker 1: what the organization thinks, their goals, and some of the
Speaker 1: challenges they face, some of the ays that they intend
Speaker 1: to solve those problems. We talked a lot about the election,
Speaker 1: the mid terms, We talked a lot about some of
Speaker 1: the bigger challenges facing folks in the hunting an angling community.
Speaker 1: And I always find Land to be a frank character
Speaker 1: and someone who really tells it like it is and
Speaker 1: has an understanding of where our community needs to go
Speaker 1: and is a great voice for all of us. So
Speaker 1: please enjoy episode number thirty six. And Mr Landwani Lantaani,
Speaker 1: what's up? Man ben O Brian and he welcome to Bozeman.
Speaker 1: Although you live in Montana, so I do, I do,
Speaker 1: but Bozeman is a good place. I don't make it
Speaker 1: over here often enough. Yeah, this is your first time
Speaker 1: in the Mediator Incorporated Office? Is what it is you
Speaker 1: feel about that? Well? What I love is at the
Speaker 1: outside is very inconspicuous. There's just like one little ten
Speaker 1: metaters sticker. We're working on it. I kind of like that,
Speaker 1: like it's like this. Then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: going too the Mothership and uh no it's cool space.
Speaker 1: Uh we were talking earlier. You know, this is kind
Speaker 1: of like a hub over here with Sickly really close
Speaker 1: on X. Then you gott Glacier and Mr Raanch and
Speaker 1: you know what I always say, I've said this for
Speaker 1: years that Bosman is the Silicon Valley of of the
Speaker 1: hunting it. You know you should make a T shirt?
Speaker 1: You think I should make I mean, because you know
Speaker 1: somebody somebody else is gonna say that that somebody else
Speaker 1: is gonna like claim it right, that person would be
Speaker 1: wrong and mostly an asshole because I came up with it.
Speaker 1: Somebody just everybody knows I said this earlier, like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people been saying that. And one of
Speaker 1: our wonderful colleagues here's like, well, you doubt you didn't
Speaker 1: come up with that, Like, oh yeah, I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I made a T shirt
Speaker 1: on it. Then you then you that is your There's
Speaker 1: nothing that anybody can do about it once it's on
Speaker 1: a T shirt. So anyway, Bosman, if you come here,
Speaker 1: you'll see I'm gonna make a sign and put it
Speaker 1: up on the highway that says Bozeman Silicon Valley of
Speaker 1: the West. Now here's one that I just somebody's telling
Speaker 1: me about. I haven't seen that yet through and it
Speaker 1: says the best downtown in America or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no offense to Bozeman, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's like the best downtown in Montana. So yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, like that's that's a little self aware, have
Speaker 1: a little bit of self aware so there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things like that. Like, you know, it's perspective when
Speaker 1: I moved to When I moved here, everybody's like, Bom man,
Speaker 1: it's really a growing place and a lot of traffic.
Speaker 1: It's super annoying. And and I said, well, how many
Speaker 1: how many people live here? Forty whatever the number is,
Speaker 1: It ain't more than fifty. I was like, that's a
Speaker 1: small town and the all suburb suburb that's like a
Speaker 1: street corner in Chicago, like you know, coming from Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: that's you know, a subdivision. So calm down, you know.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, there's a lot of traffic. Tell me
Speaker 1: about that. They're like, are the cars stopped? Are they moving? Look? Well,
Speaker 1: they're moving little speed, but there's a lot of cars.
Speaker 1: Like listen, man, it's all relative, right, it's all relative.
Speaker 1: It's really cold out, but you can ski down there.
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna remember this conversation
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hear you complain about traffic back. I
Speaker 1: never said as soon as I'm here for like three years.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I moved to Bom two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen, cars can go sixty five. Now that bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely my dad's definitely uh an old grumbly like
Speaker 1: an old grumbley guy then, and I tell us I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna be like, right, I'm always going to be
Speaker 1: like a super positive old man if I ever make
Speaker 1: that far. You started saying things to your kids that
Speaker 1: you had your their parents said to you, and like right,
Speaker 1: like like I'm doing that now, and I'm catching myself
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I thought i'd say I'll never
Speaker 1: say that, you know. But also like, because technology is
Speaker 1: going so fast. You know this because you have older
Speaker 1: children than I do. But like I look at sixteen
Speaker 1: year old human and I'm like, I can't what the
Speaker 1: fund is that? What is that over there? I don't
Speaker 1: have anything in common with person, and I'm only thirty two.
Speaker 1: That ain't good, right, So imagine when we'll like fifty
Speaker 1: years old, what it's going to be. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the tech is moving so quickly, it is. But like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're trying as much as we can to
Speaker 1: keep our kids away from tech. Like my daughter is
Speaker 1: Tann and she's the only one in her class that
Speaker 1: doesn't have her own device, is what she says, Like
Speaker 1: that's a cell phone, iPad, whatever it is. She doesn't
Speaker 1: have it. And uh and I think like kids will
Speaker 1: be the same, Like there's like even that sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to fine places to identify with them, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean like the technology. Yes, Like
Speaker 1: when you see those kids out and they're all on
Speaker 1: their phones at lunch, you know, and they're probably texting themselves,
Speaker 1: like that's that's absolutely blowing my mind. But you get
Speaker 1: them out in the woods and like, you know, like
Speaker 1: all that stuff goes away. So that's my favorite part
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, because there is you know, I've
Speaker 1: always like technology can some in some ways provide perspective,
Speaker 1: but it's it's artificial because you're not really talking to
Speaker 1: You're not really in Japan talking to somebody in Japan.
Speaker 1: If you have a pen pal in the internet, right,
Speaker 1: it's not a pen pal. People don't say that anymore. Penal.
Speaker 1: Nobody pen pals on the Internet. I'm definitely and all
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be an old old man when I'm forty. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're already on your way. We're talking about the digital age.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what that digital pen pals. That's great.
Speaker 1: When email first started, yeah, when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I remember when the first cell phones came out, and
Speaker 1: I don't um, but I do think there is You're
Speaker 1: it's artificial perspective, right, it's manufactured. You are speaking to
Speaker 1: someone in a different place and time and a different
Speaker 1: culture with a different set of experiences, but you're not
Speaker 1: really with them, right. But when you go when you
Speaker 1: take someone and go outside and you you know, you
Speaker 1: delete all that artificial perspective and you get real perspective
Speaker 1: and it's shared. You can't beat it or use your
Speaker 1: analogy like you're talking to somebody in Japan whatever over email.
Speaker 1: You're not really there. If you go there, that's a
Speaker 1: much different experience, richer experience. Hopefully, you know you're able
Speaker 1: to find some rich experiences with you. All the sixteen
Speaker 1: year old are listening out, like we have virtual reality, bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are talking about. To
Speaker 1: leave my house and I'm all over the world, Like dude,
Speaker 1: I'm in the Himalayas right now, and that's right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna come up with, right,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be bad. So anything we're saying, oh, man,
Speaker 1: we are getting all the aren't. I mean, I'm other
Speaker 1: than you know. I'm forty three, but like I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm sixty right now in this conversation. I feel
Speaker 1: bad too. I'm kind of wearing like people can't see us,
Speaker 1: but I'm wearing kind of like a cardia, like an
Speaker 1: old man. I'm solid in the mirror to old man smell.
Speaker 1: I'm getting the gray on the beard. That's the big
Speaker 1: thing that's changing. That that in the hair on my head,
Speaker 1: right like our two indications I'm getting Besides like that
Speaker 1: my knees are like when I'm going up and down
Speaker 1: those Yeah, it's not great anyway, The outdoors are great.
Speaker 1: You guys should go don't have you ever heard of those? Yes?
Speaker 1: Should go there. So let's talk about virtual reality for
Speaker 1: a minute, because I think we're going to get to
Speaker 1: some deep subjects, deeper than do you feel do your
Speaker 1: kids haven't if there been any rumblings in their worlds.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're live in Montana, so there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of different environment, like what's the what are their
Speaker 1: friends doing in the tech space? Like what do they have?
Speaker 1: What do they playing? In Fortnite? A huge thing and
Speaker 1: like I like my son, he's playing basketball right now,
Speaker 1: Like I'll watch me practice and all a sudden you
Speaker 1: have to start doing that one dance. Dude. It's like
Speaker 1: and he has never even played the game, but it's
Speaker 1: like all his buddies are playing it. And then like
Speaker 1: the dances is kind of like this thing. Um, so
Speaker 1: I'd say that's huge. Um what aunts I mean? I
Speaker 1: mean my kids just like we're not letting them do it,
Speaker 1: and so like I'm not getting I'm not in this
Speaker 1: hip onto like what like the technology that they're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like like we're playing I guess,
Speaker 1: uh what is it? Minecraft is gigantic with these kids,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I'm a big Lego guy. You know.
Speaker 1: It's playing Legos, you know, and I still like it.
Speaker 1: Like I'll admit it. I still like playing Legos and
Speaker 1: I buy my son Legos and my daughter so I
Speaker 1: can build them and I don't play with them after that,
Speaker 1: but like building stuff, and so that idea of Minecraft.
Speaker 1: You're kind of building stuff all the time. So I
Speaker 1: can see the attraction to that. Um, but like that
Speaker 1: is the one we have, you know, ps flour at
Speaker 1: our house and we have Minecraft and my son. He
Speaker 1: gets to play that, like for an hour on the weekends,
Speaker 1: and that's what he wants to. We have soccer, we
Speaker 1: have football. Who wants play Minecraft. I'm doing this because
Speaker 1: I like, I'm working for a digital media company. Right now,
Speaker 1: I sound like someone who shouldn't be working for additional media.
Speaker 1: I think when next meeting is like Minecraft met either
Speaker 1: Minecraft in the next board meeting and then Fortnite. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of it? It's awesome. We should invest
Speaker 1: get get Steve doing the dance and see what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll probably you never know. We gotta freshen this place
Speaker 1: up a little bit. That's right. Um, changing subjects taken.
Speaker 1: There's no transition. There's a hard turn that there's no
Speaker 1: transition from Fortnite into politics. If there is one, please,
Speaker 1: you know, please let it help me something about like
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the game. That's something about
Speaker 1: zombies walking around kind of politics. Strain the swamp situation. Um,
Speaker 1: there was this election here recently. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think everybody in the lead up now, with our media
Speaker 1: coverage in the way that we kind of running cycles,
Speaker 1: I think every election feels like the most important election.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's um, I would imagine that's
Speaker 1: not generally unique to our time and our generation. But
Speaker 1: there is still massive amounts of chatter around these these elections,
Speaker 1: whether it's a midterm like we just experienced, or it's
Speaker 1: a presidential election, whatever it ends up being cubinatorial, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Um. So, as you think about in your
Speaker 1: position with b h A and your position as a
Speaker 1: leader into conservation space, how do you view elections, like
Speaker 1: do you view them as opportunities for much needed change?
Speaker 1: Do you do you view the HM as you know,
Speaker 1: um general opportunities for new legislation or is it maintenance
Speaker 1: for what we already have? Like how did you come
Speaker 1: into this mid term? What were your thoughts around how
Speaker 1: how you would approach it? That's a good good question, UM.
Speaker 1: I think that first I look at this maybe globally,
Speaker 1: like this opportunity to vote is pretty unique in the world,
Speaker 1: and what a special thing that we have. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for you to make your voice count,
Speaker 1: you know, and for me, we shouldn't take that lightly,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think the idea that every
Speaker 1: election you know, is like important it is, you know,
Speaker 1: and like people like, your voice doesn't count unless you
Speaker 1: use it right and stop bitching. You know if if
Speaker 1: you don't vote right now, if you vote, you got
Speaker 1: a chance to bitch because you know, you actually participated
Speaker 1: in this process. And so just fundamentally, they're like, how
Speaker 1: rad is that? I think that's like a good thing. Um.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, elections in general are opportunities to
Speaker 1: to really provide or it's a vehicle for talking about
Speaker 1: the things that you care about, you know, and whether
Speaker 1: that's public lands and waters which we care about, whether
Speaker 1: that's you know, an array of other issues, healthcare, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Elections bring that out and they make people
Speaker 1: like focused on those issues and then the elected, you know,
Speaker 1: the people that are running for office, they have to
Speaker 1: talk about them to the people on where they stand.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thing. And without elections,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk about your issues more during election cycle sometimes
Speaker 1: because there's hyper awareness right right, people trying to make
Speaker 1: a decision. Absolutely. Um, So you know, before I talk
Speaker 1: about kind of maybe how we have b h A
Speaker 1: and me in particularly as CEO looked at this, I
Speaker 1: think when I look at our system here in the
Speaker 1: United States, it's there's a system, it's a system of
Speaker 1: checkers imbalances. And I think that, um, there's this word
Speaker 1: compromise that has become a dirty word. And well, if
Speaker 1: you compromise, that means that you've you're weak. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: and like nobody wants to be seen as weak and
Speaker 1: so weird and we're gonna not move forward with something
Speaker 1: because we don't want to look weak, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: compromise is important. I think that when you find compromise,
Speaker 1: that's something that stands the test of time. When you
Speaker 1: force something down somebody's throats on the far left or
Speaker 1: on the far right, just using those kind of two
Speaker 1: political parties, I don't think it's gonna last very long.
Speaker 1: I think it's the stuff that's forged in the middle
Speaker 1: that is compromised. And so it's a long way of
Speaker 1: saying that for this election in particular, when you have
Speaker 1: the presidency and both houses controlled by one party and
Speaker 1: I don't care again if that's Democrats or Republicans, there's
Speaker 1: not as much compromise that is happening at that point.
Speaker 1: Now that you have one house that's gonna be controlled
Speaker 1: by one party, and another um by the other and
Speaker 1: then a presidency like you have a much more opportunity
Speaker 1: for compromise. And I think that sweet spot that is
Speaker 1: in the middle right and so um either that or
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen. And if nothing happens, like that's bad
Speaker 1: for the country. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why you know, people are frustrated with the rhetoric
Speaker 1: that is out there, uh, is that things aren't happening.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's probably you know, what elections
Speaker 1: are for is to help people create opportunities for that.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, there's many things that the
Speaker 1: Democrats want to get done, there's many things that Republicans
Speaker 1: want to get done. And guess what if they want
Speaker 1: to get those things done, they're going to have to
Speaker 1: work to have to always find that to be you know,
Speaker 1: one of the logical fallacies of the way our politics works,
Speaker 1: Like we have these two and these we always are
Speaker 1: addressing polarity. We're never we never get to start the
Speaker 1: conversation by addressing our our similarities. We never need to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, what we both agree on, because
Speaker 1: that's too easy. But we so we start by addressing
Speaker 1: our the polarity in our value systems and the way
Speaker 1: we think, which which gets you down the wrong road
Speaker 1: from the from taking step one, waste your time to
Speaker 1: waste your time. There's talk about things we disagree on,
Speaker 1: and it's that just creates that. That's our political environment
Speaker 1: right now. It's like people are you know, my my
Speaker 1: family in my family circle there like let's just not
Speaker 1: talk about politics, Like what are you what? That's what
Speaker 1: else are we going to talk about? That was my
Speaker 1: grandma at the dinner table, like yeah, my grand that
Speaker 1: was like a generational thing because my grandfather used to
Speaker 1: be like, there's three things we don't talk about. It's
Speaker 1: like I camera, religion, politics, and sex. I was like,
Speaker 1: those are the three most interesting thanks to talk I think.
Speaker 1: I think definitely I don't want to be talking about
Speaker 1: sex with my grandparents. Listen, Grandpa got a question at
Speaker 1: the dinner table. Yeah, uh yeah, I mean compromise. It's again,
Speaker 1: it's like that's it's shown as weak, and I think
Speaker 1: that I hope that people start understanding that's how this
Speaker 1: country works, you know, and like that's a few and
Speaker 1: I go out tonight and go have a beer. And
Speaker 1: if I was like, no, you can only drink this beer.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't like that beer, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you're drinking that beer. Like we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: hang out, you know, like that just wouldn't happen. But
Speaker 1: if I'm like, well, you can have a picture of
Speaker 1: that this time, a picture this next time, I have
Speaker 1: a different beer and tell each other why these beers
Speaker 1: are better than the other one, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, we could talk about that, then let's let's
Speaker 1: go better, better used with a beer in hand. But
Speaker 1: I think like that, I think we need to talk
Speaker 1: about compromise. And I think now that we're gonna be
Speaker 1: with these um different parties controlling different houses, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna get closer to that. A lot people want and
Speaker 1: say it's gonna be solved tomorrow, but I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's it's gonna be contentious too.
Speaker 1: That's part of what like my original question around your feet,
Speaker 1: like when you think about you know, mentally and emotionally,
Speaker 1: like think about the mid term, because when I thought
Speaker 1: about the mids and rounds, stressed out, man, because I
Speaker 1: know I knew a lot of good things would happen.
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of I just knew it would
Speaker 1: be a mix of good and bad for like my
Speaker 1: value system, and I hope to learn some stuff along
Speaker 1: the way. But like the stress was around talking about it.
Speaker 1: The stress was around the anxiety was around bringing up
Speaker 1: the subject and knowing wading into the pool that it
Speaker 1: was gonna have sharks in it, like and that that
Speaker 1: is sort of like me, he likes talk. That sucks, man,
Speaker 1: because there's some important issues there we should be able
Speaker 1: to hammer out without being too worried that a bunch
Speaker 1: of people are gonna hate you for just being just
Speaker 1: just for wanting to have the conversation, not for saying
Speaker 1: I know I'm right, but for saying, hey, here's a
Speaker 1: thing that we should discuss. And even for that fact,
Speaker 1: knowing that you're gonna get you know, some negativity brought
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I mean I think the uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: politics are bloody sport, especially around elections. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like you have a winner and you have
Speaker 1: a loser, and um, you know bad things, you know,
Speaker 1: are sad about people, and I mean it's a pretty
Speaker 1: bloody sport. But and I think during that time, like
Speaker 1: you're describing that it's hard to kind of maybe talk
Speaker 1: about these things because things are so hot. Well, now
Speaker 1: the elections happen, change, the changes have happened. Let's move
Speaker 1: forward like there's nothing else to do. Then move forward
Speaker 1: in my mind, and so hopefully even our president said
Speaker 1: that his uh, I don't like to listen to anything
Speaker 1: that he says, um, just because he says because he's
Speaker 1: just foolish things. But I listened to that, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was after the election. I was kind of
Speaker 1: in this mode of wanting to collect my thoughts around
Speaker 1: what had happened and what the impact was and then
Speaker 1: move on with my life. And you don't understand like this,
Speaker 1: you know the environment we're now in, and move on
Speaker 1: and you live my life. But I did listen to
Speaker 1: his precially his news conference directly after the elections were over, um,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, now we can be a little
Speaker 1: nice to each other, Like okay, that's good, but maybe
Speaker 1: we just practiced that all the time all the time, right,
Speaker 1: Like that should be the way it is all the time,
Speaker 1: but it needs to be. But yeah, listen, we can
Speaker 1: go through that all day. But I think that's not
Speaker 1: going to happen. But it is good to hear have
Speaker 1: him hear him say that, and then let's see how
Speaker 1: it happens in practice. You know, they have this, We're
Speaker 1: get into details that are probably a little bit We'll
Speaker 1: have his lame duck session, you know that. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of things will potentially happen between now and
Speaker 1: the first week in December, and then you'll have a
Speaker 1: break over the holidays, and then new Congress will start
Speaker 1: in January, and you know, we'll see how they want
Speaker 1: to play. And um, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: anytime there's a transition where there's been a house control
Speaker 1: by somebody and then there's a new leadership, I think
Speaker 1: it's really important, uh that we focus on what's good
Speaker 1: for the country at that point, versus like it's now
Speaker 1: time to uh put your notches in the belt and
Speaker 1: so to speak, right like, oh you guys did this?
Speaker 1: Did you did this us for so long? Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it to you. And I that is something
Speaker 1: I'm very tired of and I hopefully we can move
Speaker 1: past that. Well. I mean, I was in DC a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago and talking to some folks, and
Speaker 1: that's something that came up around a lot around that
Speaker 1: partisanship was came up two or three different times, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was odd around the duck stand m
Speaker 1: and you know, the sportsman going to Congress sing raise
Speaker 1: that sucker, raise that tax. We are the constituency that
Speaker 1: will pay the tax. We're asking you to raise it
Speaker 1: as directly affects us, and we want it, want it.
Speaker 1: And there there's some folks in our government that were like, listen,
Speaker 1: I got elected by saying that I would never raise
Speaker 1: a tax. They're like, yeah, yeah, I get that, I
Speaker 1: get that, but you can think critically, yes, like this
Speaker 1: is the one exception to what you ran on, right,
Speaker 1: the constituency that will pay the tax, that is getting taxed,
Speaker 1: its demanding for the raise in the tax, and like
Speaker 1: that is the one most you know, that's an extreme example,
Speaker 1: I think, but an example of roadblocks that just shouldn't exist,
Speaker 1: logically can't exist if we're gonna get anything done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I know that senator by name. Yeah I
Speaker 1: do too. And and like at the same time, he
Speaker 1: got an award that year from an organization that is
Speaker 1: based around the duck stamp, you know, and like I
Speaker 1: just listening to the people, I think is the most
Speaker 1: important thing, right, you know, I like this idea of
Speaker 1: flip flopping. Let's say, like I said, no new taxes,
Speaker 1: and if I do this and I'm so flopping. Know
Speaker 1: you're listening to the people, like you're getting more information.
Speaker 1: You know, the same thing with like uh Jason Schaefitz.
Speaker 1: You know, like when he changed his ideas on the
Speaker 1: sale of those three million acres, that was a good
Speaker 1: thing because he listened to even if he didn't want
Speaker 1: to write. He got dragged what he did. I got
Speaker 1: drag kicking and streaming. At least he stopped kicking and
Speaker 1: screaming at some point and he gave in, like that's
Speaker 1: politicians should do that. That that sound government opinion. They're
Speaker 1: representing the people, right, So now I think like you're
Speaker 1: right on that one. Um. I think back to like,
Speaker 1: you know, these elections create opportunities to create dialogues and
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, issues that are important to
Speaker 1: you and for us that's public lands and public waters.
Speaker 1: And what's great about when the election is as far
Speaker 1: as timing, and this is the September is kind of
Speaker 1: this month. You know, you have public national Public LANs Day,
Speaker 1: you have National Hunting Fishing day and a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, we're like, man, that's great for those days,
Speaker 1: but let's like think about September is like public LANs Month, right,
Speaker 1: And so really celebrated Public LANs Month in September and
Speaker 1: then started a campaign about voting for public lands and waters.
Speaker 1: And really what that campaign is is that, you know,
Speaker 1: we legally can't tell you to vote for you know,
Speaker 1: I can't say pick you know that that politician over
Speaker 1: there is the one that's going to support us no
Speaker 1: matter what, go vote for them. We can't do that
Speaker 1: as a five O one C. Three. What we can
Speaker 1: do is start to have people like critically ask questions,
Speaker 1: you know, and then, you know, one of the things
Speaker 1: that's great and when politicians are on the stump, you know,
Speaker 1: going out and talking to a bunch of people they
Speaker 1: like to like to get votes and say things. And
Speaker 1: then once they say those things, you can hold them
Speaker 1: accountable if they win, right, And so like being able
Speaker 1: to talk to them and ask them questions about public
Speaker 1: lands and waters during that month of September and then
Speaker 1: up to the election, I think was a really important thing.
Speaker 1: So I think what we were really with our vote
Speaker 1: public Lands and Waters campaign are trying to do is
Speaker 1: really one is to you know, have people think about
Speaker 1: that when they make that vote. But it also creates
Speaker 1: this dialogue then for the politicians that are running at
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, that's that's important. That dialogue is and
Speaker 1: to do something I've heard you say before in a
Speaker 1: lot of people have it. It's it seems common sense,
Speaker 1: but I think in practice is challenging for people. Like
Speaker 1: if if you go to a rally, or if you
Speaker 1: pick up a pen and paper or go to your
Speaker 1: computer and write an email to these these politicians, the
Speaker 1: will read it and listen if you you know, if
Speaker 1: you're pointed and you stay your case. I have found
Speaker 1: I've done it many times. Like you'll a lot of
Speaker 1: times you get a letter back pretty quick. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you know a lot of times it will be
Speaker 1: four letters. But I think what's happening then, and now
Speaker 1: we're getting into like policy sides, but like, um, is
Speaker 1: that that staffer that that just correspondent who's opening the
Speaker 1: mail is keeping score right? And so then they're reporting
Speaker 1: to their boss that day, right, and they're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: we've got you know, five letters over here that's say this,
Speaker 1: and then one letter over here it says this like
Speaker 1: there and so you know, this is what we got.
Speaker 1: But it gives them an idea of what the representation
Speaker 1: of their constituents, what their constituents think, right, and so
Speaker 1: like it's super important and um, no matter what, like
Speaker 1: you know, that's a way for your voice to count. Um.
Speaker 1: But one thing, and I'd be missed not to say this,
Speaker 1: is that we did for the first time this year,
Speaker 1: we did Canada questionnaires and so basically as a five
Speaker 1: of one C three, it's something we can do, um,
Speaker 1: go out and ask you know, candidates that are running,
Speaker 1: so both the Democrat and the Republican give them a
Speaker 1: fair opportunity to be able to answer the questions and
Speaker 1: then just publish what they say, you know, verbatim and
Speaker 1: not not what they said on an interview, but what
Speaker 1: they write now. Right, So there's no I can't exactly
Speaker 1: there's no bait and switch or anything like that, like
Speaker 1: oh I kind of heard him say this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that, So it's exactly what they said. And then
Speaker 1: we published those and so we did those in three
Speaker 1: states that in Colorado, New Mexico, and Wisconsin. And uh,
Speaker 1: and again I'm that's our first time doing I'm super
Speaker 1: excited that we did it. Our folks on the ground,
Speaker 1: you know, our account, crash Roots Army, we're the ones
Speaker 1: that we're reaching out to those campaigns. It wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: me or John Gale reaching out to them, it was
Speaker 1: people on the ground and we got a great response back.
Speaker 1: And as far as like participation, and so what that
Speaker 1: sets us up for I hope is that is it
Speaker 1: in that we can do that in all fifty states. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we start to doing up in Canada as well. And
Speaker 1: so again we can't tell you who to vote for it,
Speaker 1: but we can provide information for you so you can
Speaker 1: look at Canada X candidate Y and say, oh, well
Speaker 1: that's what they said about this issue, and this is
Speaker 1: what they said, you know about this issue. So it's
Speaker 1: fantastic they you know, and the person can figure out
Speaker 1: for their own like who they want to vote for.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've probably talked about this before, like
Speaker 1: I really feel, you know, conservation groups that is the job.
Speaker 1: The job is to gather together like minded people and
Speaker 1: inform them of what the right choices are and what
Speaker 1: the important issues are. And and p H has done
Speaker 1: that in spades. With you know, it confines in my
Speaker 1: mind around Chafe. It's but it's more than that. But
Speaker 1: you know, National Monuments people, you know, lay to Water
Speaker 1: Conservation Fund was not trending some years ago. It's pretty
Speaker 1: rad now, right, So rad, it's rad. That's the people
Speaker 1: know what it is. Yeah, people know what it is.
Speaker 1: So I think there's some there's a lot of power
Speaker 1: in that. And as long as they as long as
Speaker 1: you're you're swinging that big stick to inform, you can't lose,
Speaker 1: you'll never know. And I think and that's and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the for those people listening
Speaker 1: to this. It's like, one of our most important jobs
Speaker 1: is as a nonprofit and that h A is to
Speaker 1: help educate. But I think as as a voter, as
Speaker 1: an American citizen, one of the most important things that
Speaker 1: you can do is educate yourself. And and b h A, yes,
Speaker 1: please listen to us, become a member, all those things.
Speaker 1: But there's many places to get information right now, and
Speaker 1: go get that information and then make educated decisions, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, we talked about voting before,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it's a responsibility for us
Speaker 1: to vote but also to make an educated vote. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're just going in there and just kind of
Speaker 1: going down and doing things by the party line or
Speaker 1: just kind of um not voting with information, I think
Speaker 1: that does a disservice to this country. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're right about that, and I think sportsman, you know,
Speaker 1: hunters and anglers are understanding that more than ever I
Speaker 1: I would pose it. I think awakening, awakening, hapning is happening.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that a little bit earlier. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like there is this willingness too. You've seen
Speaker 1: it b h A events. We've seen it at you know,
Speaker 1: Mediator Live events. I've seen it even with the Eddie.
Speaker 1: I mean that people willing to travel, willing to like,
Speaker 1: are committed to this idea and willing to give for
Speaker 1: it and give a lot for it. And if you
Speaker 1: and I feel if you're willing to give for something,
Speaker 1: you damn sure are at the same time willing to
Speaker 1: put in the effort to be educated about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like those things go hand in hand, and
Speaker 1: so what you guys are doing in b h A
Speaker 1: is huge. Yeah, I mean I call it the awakening,
Speaker 1: but also like the revolution, right, like the people when
Speaker 1: they are educated and they know what they want, then
Speaker 1: they will demand their politicians. And again it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat Republican. Public plans and public waters
Speaker 1: like they cross a lot of party lines. Well, I
Speaker 1: always say it's trending because it's it's it's an easy play,
Speaker 1: like it's an easy America Bald Eagles public plans. But
Speaker 1: maybe that's a T shirt as I'm Merican, as apple
Speaker 1: pies America. I've used that Labe before. I will tell
Speaker 1: you I said before. Have you said that anyway? Boseman?
Speaker 1: Is the look about back to your back to your
Speaker 1: great statement today. Yeah, there's people anybody like if you
Speaker 1: if you follow them. The Mediator podcast, Steve made a
Speaker 1: quote about high fence squirrel hunting. You guys put it
Speaker 1: into the and then there is no high squirrel hunting,
Speaker 1: and we immediately made a T shirt. And so all
Speaker 1: everything I say on every podcast from now on is
Speaker 1: in an effort to get T shirts made about what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love it because there's a hundred people
Speaker 1: are gonna wear that shirt. Yeah, So I'm right now,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking everything every sentence I say, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make it into a T shirt. And when I love
Speaker 1: about that squirrel on is the conversations that will be
Speaker 1: started around that, like people that don't hunt, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Can't squirrels climb fences? Exactly exactly what
Speaker 1: were we talking about back? But I mean I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, I think the idealism in America, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: like an education, right, you know. I think that's what
Speaker 1: BH is trying to do. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: we're growing so quickly. Is that, um, people you don't
Speaker 1: see kind of uh that we're honest players and this
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, and like here's the information if
Speaker 1: you want to be part of our tribe. We're building
Speaker 1: a coalition of the willing and they're coming in droves.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, these politicians, I think
Speaker 1: you know, and if I watched this last election, um,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting here in Montana, I mean public lands
Speaker 1: played a major role, a major role, and I think
Speaker 1: that's exciting to me. You know. I think I said,
Speaker 1: uh to somebody after the election, is that you know,
Speaker 1: people I want to put a roof over their head
Speaker 1: and they want to, you know, talk about medicine and
Speaker 1: right now, public lands a least in this state is
Speaker 1: like one of those top three issues, and that is exciting.
Speaker 1: I think there's other places in the in the country
Speaker 1: like Colorado and Idaho. You know, played a big role
Speaker 1: in the governor's race over in Idaho. Um more in
Speaker 1: the primary than it did in the general, but definitely
Speaker 1: in the in the primary. And so public lands is
Speaker 1: becoming an issue that is a top tier issue. And
Speaker 1: I think it's partly because it's such a unifying issue,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it's also a place
Speaker 1: to pick up votes in the middle. You know, if
Speaker 1: you want to get elected, you gotta be right on
Speaker 1: public lands and public waters and um. So I think
Speaker 1: that election proved some of that. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: there was three ballot initiatives that we looked at, in
Speaker 1: particular one in Connecticut. Connecticut, Uh, the way it was
Speaker 1: before this ballot initiative was passed was very easy for
Speaker 1: whoever was in charge of the the administration just to sell
Speaker 1: their state public land. So before I even talk about that,
Speaker 1: it's another reason why we do not want you know,
Speaker 1: federally managed public lands transfer to the states, because they
Speaker 1: will sell them. And and so Connecticut was very easy,
Speaker 1: and so what this basically ballot initiative did was it
Speaker 1: made it very hard on our harder. It's like a
Speaker 1: two thirds and then there has to be a public
Speaker 1: input and you know that got voted. I think it's
Speaker 1: like that it passed. Like that's awesome that people came
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and we're like, hey, we like
Speaker 1: our state lands, you know, and like if you're gonna
Speaker 1: divest them, okay, maybe that one should be, but we
Speaker 1: want to be part of that process. And so that
Speaker 1: was super cool. Um and did that with a bunch
Speaker 1: of partners, you know up there. I think we moved
Speaker 1: down to Georgia and I think this is really cool.
Speaker 1: It's rad Now in Montana doesn't translate because we don't
Speaker 1: have a sales tax um, but down there and I
Speaker 1: hope this is something that and I'll start to permeate
Speaker 1: in other states. But basically you have a sales tax
Speaker 1: on outdoor goods there. Instead of that just going in
Speaker 1: the general fund, now it'll go back to conservation and
Speaker 1: access and I think it's up to like eighty percent
Speaker 1: or something like that, which is so cool that that
Speaker 1: means then the users are then paying for the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, this is like the backpack tax that we
Speaker 1: all kind of talked about at a federal level, but
Speaker 1: this is happening at a state level. It's not new
Speaker 1: taxes and utilizing existing taxes to pay for the stuff
Speaker 1: that we all care about, which is you know, most
Speaker 1: of our system of funding. I mean Pivin Robertson was
Speaker 1: originally back in you know, the nineties when it was
Speaker 1: put out, there was, as they sing, tax that they
Speaker 1: torn over, so there was never any new back to
Speaker 1: you know, the nearly hundred years of that tax, which
Speaker 1: has been very successful. It's never been anything other than no,
Speaker 1: and it's done. Look at the things that it's done,
Speaker 1: you know, like the leverage that we've been able to
Speaker 1: accomplish with that, like a billion dollars a year, right, Um,
Speaker 1: So that want was superside and it also passed by
Speaker 1: Like do you feel like that's a that'll be like
Speaker 1: a breeding you know, that'll be a litmus test for
Speaker 1: for that idea, absolutely, I think. And and the idea
Speaker 1: that it passed, you know, ad plus like both of
Speaker 1: those passed over eighty um. The Georgia Wildlife Federation down there,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they've been working on this issue
Speaker 1: for a long time. Our chapter in the Southeast is
Speaker 1: new and it was something that they were able to
Speaker 1: grab onto. You know, the one thing we can do
Speaker 1: is the five one C three is we can support
Speaker 1: ballot initiatives or measures, I guess, whatever way you want
Speaker 1: to say it. Um. And so that was one that
Speaker 1: we totally build into, which I think was pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a bunch of those. We were working on
Speaker 1: a piece for the the meteror dot com right now
Speaker 1: that'll be out soon, probably be out by the time
Speaker 1: this gets on the line. But um, about ballot initiatores
Speaker 1: because that's an interesting one. You I think people get
Speaker 1: caught up in the popularity contest of of guy one
Speaker 1: versus guy to or get you know however that works. Um,
Speaker 1: but these balance is just kind of get swept under
Speaker 1: the rug unless it's some connected to some other value
Speaker 1: related like it's you know, connected to marijuana or connector
Speaker 1: something that has a little bit of a spin up
Speaker 1: in the media cycle. But for sports and these are
Speaker 1: I mean, you played really well, Like like both of
Speaker 1: those played really well. And I think besides the sports's community,
Speaker 1: I think that was like the outdoor community really supported that,
Speaker 1: and so I was just gonna say, like the Georgia
Speaker 1: Wildife Federation have been around for a long time, you know,
Speaker 1: and like they've been working on this, and then a
Speaker 1: coldition that included us and others were able to come
Speaker 1: in and we provide some muscle to get that thing
Speaker 1: over the finish line, which is super sweet. Um. And
Speaker 1: then the last one, and I guess I'll talk about
Speaker 1: one more after this. It's a local one, but it
Speaker 1: was in Colorado and basically, um, this was this was
Speaker 1: one that was defeated, which thankfully, but that was going
Speaker 1: to uh pay landowners for um changes in like wildlife
Speaker 1: management that potentially could be harmful to their business or
Speaker 1: to their property. Um. And so then we the taxpayers
Speaker 1: are gonna be paying them for having wildlife like let's
Speaker 1: let's say on their property. And that to me is
Speaker 1: like so backwards, Like if you're gonna live in these
Speaker 1: wild places, then one of those requirements is like you're
Speaker 1: you're in you know, you're part of that whole ecosystem.
Speaker 1: We have a social contract here, societal contract. You can
Speaker 1: own that ground that's our wildlife, still you know you're
Speaker 1: holding it in trust for us, so don't mess it up, man. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So that got defeated, UM thankfully, and it got defeated
Speaker 1: like by seventy percent. So the amounts of a huge
Speaker 1: number as well. So I think again like just using
Speaker 1: those three as like bell weathers, like people are paying
Speaker 1: attention to these issues, and two were passed overwhelmingly and
Speaker 1: one was defeated over whelmingly. That we're right in our
Speaker 1: wheelhouse as conservationists and as public landowners. So to me, UM,
Speaker 1: that's a good sign of things. One back home, we've
Speaker 1: done a UM open space bond. You know, for like
Speaker 1: last two decades, we've had money to provide open space.
Speaker 1: So that's for recreation, that's for viewsha, that's for clean
Speaker 1: air and clean water, for wildlife habitab. And so this
Speaker 1: year it was on the ballot again, uh, fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars I think from Assoula UM with another one that
Speaker 1: was like half million dollars for maintenance. And both of
Speaker 1: those passed overwhelmingly. Like it's one of those ones when
Speaker 1: like one percent is in and they call it and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, wait a minute, there's still ago, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna how's that happen? But there's that's they had
Speaker 1: indications and exit points that whatever they could call it.
Speaker 1: And so that's called early and um, I'm pretty excited
Speaker 1: about that. It's for my backyard, Missoula. Um. And they're
Speaker 1: going to concentrate on the kind of river corridor, the
Speaker 1: Clark Fork, so in town, but also you know east
Speaker 1: and west of town too, So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: Would you grade like around this bellot and issues? How
Speaker 1: would you grade hunters of anglers? Are the sports this community?
Speaker 1: How do you want to call it? How would you
Speaker 1: grade our ability to you know, see those things that
Speaker 1: address them, like in the right way possible, Like if
Speaker 1: you're looking at the whole of the election, the whole
Speaker 1: of the ballot initiatives and the entire picture, I hate
Speaker 1: to we need to do better. I think we need
Speaker 1: to do better. I think in Georgia. What I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I mean the places I think in Georgia,
Speaker 1: um and in Connecticut, and I know those much better
Speaker 1: than they than one called RIGHTO. I think I give
Speaker 1: those like B pluses. Yeah, um, but I think in
Speaker 1: general we could be doing a much better job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what areas specifically? Because I know it's hard, it's well,
Speaker 1: it is. But I think it's also you're getting to something.
Speaker 1: Is is that I think you know, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the responsibility at b h A, and I think we
Speaker 1: take it very seriously and trying to inform our people, right,
Speaker 1: and so that's why we did those Canada forums and
Speaker 1: don't excuse me, cand of questionnaires and so I wish
Speaker 1: the sportsman's community as a whole we're doing more of
Speaker 1: that and we're not. You really aren't, you know, And
Speaker 1: I like I could slam on the table and talk
Speaker 1: about how cool b h A is because we're doing this,
Speaker 1: which maybe a little bit, but we're only cool as
Speaker 1: a community if if we're doing in that all over
Speaker 1: the place and with multiple organizations and so that you
Speaker 1: have multiple you know, piece of information to look at
Speaker 1: as a voter before you go forward. So I yeah,
Speaker 1: see is being nice? Yeah now because we you know,
Speaker 1: as we looked at the election specifically Ranella and I
Speaker 1: looked at it, but this company here, you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we know the issues and it would be super easy
Speaker 1: if there was a politician out there or a party
Speaker 1: out there that picked them all up. Um, because we
Speaker 1: really looked at public lands and access we kind of
Speaker 1: lump those two things together, which you could separate him,
Speaker 1: but we we lumped together for efficiency probably habitat and
Speaker 1: really around habitat. I always like I've become really like
Speaker 1: the peoples, like, what do you know, what's your main
Speaker 1: goal when hunting? I kind of think right now, my
Speaker 1: main goal is to as healthy ecosystems. Like if if
Speaker 1: you haves to had me like, what's the one thing
Speaker 1: that what's your one main goal? I mean, like, gosh,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. It's it's the health of the
Speaker 1: overall thing. It's not you know, it's knowing that elk
Speaker 1: aren't just you know, mountains aren't vending machine for elk.
Speaker 1: It's knowing that like to really be to really be
Speaker 1: a greater part of our society, we got we have
Speaker 1: to be all about healthy ecosystems um clean air, clean matter,
Speaker 1: and even if you're not gonna go chase that elk around, right,
Speaker 1: those ecosystems provide that if you're in a big city
Speaker 1: and you're drinking water and you've got clean air that
Speaker 1: you're not you know, coughing around. It's those wild places
Speaker 1: that pro well, it goes, it goes to land use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it goes to public and private land use, Like how
Speaker 1: do private landowners, like we were just talking about there,
Speaker 1: how do they um hinge cut or how do they
Speaker 1: you know keep repairing corridors intact? Or how do they
Speaker 1: you know, leave nesting grounds and and like there's just
Speaker 1: so many things that like just as a general person
Speaker 1: that goes like to go outside, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Um So that's you know, for us, that was really
Speaker 1: where we where we stopped at habits at We're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, here we are you know you. The
Speaker 1: next one is being wildlife management, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: the same, there's the same ethos there. The fourth one
Speaker 1: is guns. Now you can you know, there's no we
Speaker 1: don't have any real problems around archery rights. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like anybody trying to take our broadheads, which but
Speaker 1: maybe you heard it here first. Yeah, they're trying to
Speaker 1: take away mechanicals. Alright, alright, you concealed broad hits, and
Speaker 1: so like I think, but I think guns becomes the
Speaker 1: fourth one. And so as I look at because I
Speaker 1: tend to think like it's nice that we started with
Speaker 1: balance is just first, because I tend to think micro
Speaker 1: to macro in this situation, I tend to think, like
Speaker 1: one of the things I can do for my state
Speaker 1: or where I live or my people, and then what, Okay,
Speaker 1: got that taken care of. Now let's address the macro
Speaker 1: what's what's going down on a bigger level. But so
Speaker 1: it's like, if you were to take those four things,
Speaker 1: am I missing anything there? If I said public lands
Speaker 1: and access, guns, habitat, wildlife management, are we missing any
Speaker 1: big issues? Because I think those buckets are big enough
Speaker 1: to put anything in. Yeah, you can put anything in there. Um,
Speaker 1: how do we you know, we talked about this before
Speaker 1: and this is something that comes up and gets gets
Speaker 1: pretty prickly. But guns versus it's really kind of hey,
Speaker 1: just put it like this, but it's kind of guns
Speaker 1: versus the other three When you look at party to party?
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying that? I mean I think
Speaker 1: there's exceptions, course, But as a general rule, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say, like stop and saying like there's exceptions. Not
Speaker 1: every Republican does one thing that every demercant, but like
Speaker 1: as party lines go in a in a in a
Speaker 1: gross generalization, that could be dangerous, yes, And so anybody
Speaker 1: like don't hold back, don't bend that or me, because
Speaker 1: there's definitely that's a gross granization. I get that, but
Speaker 1: just trying to line it out like as a value
Speaker 1: system thing for folks, that's pretty fair, um, which is unfortunately,
Speaker 1: which is and it doesn't have to be that way,
Speaker 1: And I think that's sorry to breaking in, but I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that we're trying to
Speaker 1: do a b h A. Right. We think every politicians
Speaker 1: to care about public LANs, public waters. Now, there may
Speaker 1: be nuances within that and how you know things get done, um,
Speaker 1: But if we start there, um, and then we're working
Speaker 1: with both sides of the then we should be in
Speaker 1: a much better place. Well. And there were some good
Speaker 1: examples in this election cycle around. You can't get to
Speaker 1: the table unless you're into public lands, like don't even
Speaker 1: show up some state elections where you might as well
Speaker 1: just not be here if you're not into public LANs, um,
Speaker 1: which I thought was was the movement, intangible movement right there.
Speaker 1: This is this is what happens when enough people agree
Speaker 1: that this thing is special and this thing is important
Speaker 1: and so um, how do we and guns have already
Speaker 1: been that we've already we've we've crested that Mountain long
Speaker 1: long ago around Like, we a lot of people vote
Speaker 1: based on gun rights. Um, there's a lot of places
Speaker 1: where you can't really get to the table unless you
Speaker 1: unless you're a certain way around the Second Amendment. So
Speaker 1: I guess my biggest question is if and I think
Speaker 1: they're alive. I've heard from a lot of people, and
Speaker 1: I know this is true, gun rights on one side
Speaker 1: and public lands, access, healthy ecosystems on the other. What
Speaker 1: do we do, like, how do we how do we
Speaker 1: bring people to the middle, but also how do we
Speaker 1: deal with our current situations? Yeah, you're done. I had
Speaker 1: a guy in here earlier that basically said that. He
Speaker 1: said he told his daughter he was like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: he lives in Florida, and I brought up the caring
Speaker 1: for the Everglades versus gun rights scenario, and he's just
Speaker 1: like I kind of told my daughter like maybe this
Speaker 1: is the time where we just don't vote. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: get out of here, this is not the answer and
Speaker 1: take a walk. That's just that, that's it's not the
Speaker 1: answer to me. I think that, you know, for me,
Speaker 1: that's the people demanding what they want, right, It's not
Speaker 1: good enough for you. To be just great on guns,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta be good on public lane. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be good on acces. It's gonna be good on habitat.
Speaker 1: You gotta be you know, all those things that are
Speaker 1: the other three. There are pretty three, pretty big buckets.
Speaker 1: But you can do both, right, And so I think
Speaker 1: that's that side, and I think it's the other side,
Speaker 1: you know, demanding that they're you know, they're better around
Speaker 1: guns while they're good at those other things. And so
Speaker 1: I think we the people, Um, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I think let's I mean, the Land of Water Controvation
Speaker 1: Fund here in Montana has become something that you support
Speaker 1: or you do not get elected. Now, that didn't happen
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. That happened over you know, a decade
Speaker 1: probably of sportsmen including h A and others, and then
Speaker 1: the greater conservation community demanding that. And now that is
Speaker 1: the way it is like that, that is the line
Speaker 1: in the sand, right, And so I think, to me,
Speaker 1: how that happened? That happened with a lot of accountability,
Speaker 1: you know, holding people when they say one thing and
Speaker 1: do another, you know, holding them account of will. And
Speaker 1: it's also like cheerleading and so when somebody does come
Speaker 1: around and they start to support something that maybe they
Speaker 1: did in the past, that you cheer lead the heck
Speaker 1: out of that. So how does that happen? I think
Speaker 1: that's the way you do it. Um doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 1: That's a long term process. But I think that's not
Speaker 1: the part of the problem. I think with the elections
Speaker 1: to right, that's why I would hate, you know, to
Speaker 1: be a house member. Right, you're always running. You know,
Speaker 1: every two years is the election, but you are always running.
Speaker 1: Every single thing that you are doing is setting you
Speaker 1: up for that next election. And every single thing you
Speaker 1: do that that in the moment or even you know
Speaker 1: till most your constituency is a good always has a negative.
Speaker 1: You're never in a win win never, and so like
Speaker 1: it's hard to think long term that way, Right, It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: where's the wind that you know, like this is this
Speaker 1: is why my people think right now, and I ought
Speaker 1: to be responsive to that, which is good. So like
Speaker 1: it's hard to think long term. And so that's what
Speaker 1: as supports this community. Like what I I personally struggle
Speaker 1: with and hope we can all achieve at some point,
Speaker 1: which we're humans will never achieve it. But like the
Speaker 1: stiff wind, blow in the same direction all the time
Speaker 1: because the politicians have if there if if they're wind veins,
Speaker 1: they got no choice. But they got no choice, but
Speaker 1: the blow with us. I'm gonna like steal that one
Speaker 1: from you, like man that like like a stiff wind,
Speaker 1: there'd be a whole I might look like, um, but
Speaker 1: it's true, you know. I mean I think if you
Speaker 1: create enough of a grassroots kind of voice, right no
Speaker 1: matter what the issue, and just pound on it. There's
Speaker 1: one that I was giving an example of that. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a little weird, but when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: like there was like there was no uh like none
Speaker 1: of them, Like the kids that I grew up with
Speaker 1: had gay parents. Yes there was divorced families, but that
Speaker 1: was like a man and woman and there was none
Speaker 1: of that. Gay rights weren't even talked about. This is
Speaker 1: like when you know, this is not that long ago.
Speaker 1: And now my daughter has a classmate who has four moms,
Speaker 1: which means there was two moms that were together first
Speaker 1: and then they got divorcing, married, you know, two other women.
Speaker 1: My daughter doesn't. It's like somebody's hungry. Um, we're a
Speaker 1: dog friend and Tulie's here, Tulie, we'll get your food
Speaker 1: here a minute. Um, nobody probably here that than us.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's the uh that like she doesn't even care,
Speaker 1: it's not even a big deal. So by the time
Speaker 1: she's voting age that is, she was gonna be so
Speaker 1: far and gone. I probably saw and then, but like
Speaker 1: it's just that's just the way it is. And so
Speaker 1: like like these things are changing, things are progressing, and
Speaker 1: so when I think about like public lands and like
Speaker 1: the long term viability of that, like we're having these
Speaker 1: conversations now, and I hope it becomes like, you know,
Speaker 1: like weird to use that nowgy, but this thing that
Speaker 1: it's just the way it is, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: like you are going to be supportive of these things,
Speaker 1: and if you are not, then you are so far
Speaker 1: out on the limb that nobody really if I started
Speaker 1: if this hunting podcast was expressly against public lands, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'd be out. And if this podcast was expressly
Speaker 1: against guns, I'd be out too. And I would want
Speaker 1: I would want people to kick me out right, kick
Speaker 1: me out of the boat. If I'm being that way.
Speaker 1: Analogy Yeah, somebody's telling us it's like almost trying to
Speaker 1: wrap this thing. Yeah, let's go, go go. She's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: but I I think that's that's a big part of it,
Speaker 1: you know, is picking those topics that sticking to him.
Speaker 1: That's that's We're just now getting to a point where
Speaker 1: this movement for public lands, this movement for clean access
Speaker 1: or clean water and clean land and is becoming a
Speaker 1: big enough pool that it's it's it feels to me
Speaker 1: like the weight of it is the same as the
Speaker 1: weight of the Second Amendment. Like it feels like before
Speaker 1: a lot of people just voted when they're thinking about
Speaker 1: sportsmen that are just thinking, you know, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're an r A A plus candidate, I'm voting for you. Um,
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily the case now, because there is this
Speaker 1: other very heavy thing in the room that says like
Speaker 1: you better come to the table public lands to you,
Speaker 1: some bitch, you know, Like yeah, So that's it's just
Speaker 1: starting to get complicated because I think of where we are.
Speaker 1: So I think that's partly like the I think that's
Speaker 1: partly the the ethos that's changing, and like partly like
Speaker 1: the education that's starting to happen. It's also there's these
Speaker 1: things on the outside that are happening as well, you know,
Speaker 1: And like I think about you know, these fires, and
Speaker 1: in California right now, we've been having catastrophic fires for
Speaker 1: the last decade. You know. Now we've got one the
Speaker 1: like it's that's the deadliest one on record in California,
Speaker 1: fifty six people. It's super, super sad. But one of
Speaker 1: the things I'm listening to, you know, UM on the
Speaker 1: radio on the way over here today is, um, there's
Speaker 1: many factors that are contributing to that fire, you know,
Speaker 1: suppression for a hundred years, building in this or you
Speaker 1: know this like forest kind of urban interface that like
Speaker 1: probably we have no business and a building then, you know.
Speaker 1: And so like part of I think why these conversations
Speaker 1: are him the top tier is because of these pressures
Speaker 1: from the outside as well. They're just reality and its
Speaker 1: mother nature like, and that's what's happening. And we're growing,
Speaker 1: you know, our population the United States, our population in
Speaker 1: the world that's growing all the time. We're just causing
Speaker 1: more stresses on our planet, and so how are we
Speaker 1: going to carry forward? You know? And I think those
Speaker 1: things are now being pushed in our face. You know,
Speaker 1: I think you know, uh, climate changes are pretty which
Speaker 1: is pretty uh um hot topic pun intended. But the
Speaker 1: that as it becomes more of a reality, we have
Speaker 1: to deal with that. Guess what We're going to deal
Speaker 1: with it and tell that stuff is right in our face.
Speaker 1: And the fires are part of that example, besides other things,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, she level rise, all these things.
Speaker 1: That's when her that's when we're gonna start to do
Speaker 1: something about it. And I don't know for a critical
Speaker 1: mass there yet, but it starts to starting to feel
Speaker 1: I feel like it. I remember, you know, I was
Speaker 1: a editor of Puny magazine. This is maybe six seven
Speaker 1: years ago, and we wrote a piece about um, the
Speaker 1: most population in Minnesota, right how the changing climate was
Speaker 1: affecting UM a lot of things and killing a lot
Speaker 1: of moves the texts in particular, and and I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, when I read the article, I thought I
Speaker 1: was written by a phone named David Hart. And I
Speaker 1: read and I thought, what a great exploration of like
Speaker 1: just impacts of just how what we care about and
Speaker 1: and and the greater effect on our world is starting
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, really cozy up with each
Speaker 1: other here and what and I and I guess, rather foolishly,
Speaker 1: I thought our readership or the hunting community would embrace
Speaker 1: that and be like, yeah, okay, something good to think about.
Speaker 1: Let me do a little bit more thinking on that.
Speaker 1: But man, I've never seen any more hate mail coming
Speaker 1: to a publication around because it's been so politicized. And
Speaker 1: so I hope that you know, what we're talking about
Speaker 1: with the stiffed wind is like, yeah, let's politically let's
Speaker 1: let's stiff wind and with the politicize of the things
Speaker 1: that that really we know to be good and true.
Speaker 1: You know, let's line up the apple Pie public LANs
Speaker 1: and and and I think guns right in there, um
Speaker 1: like both there's another shirt apple Pie, guns, public lands,
Speaker 1: both of that ship. Like, I think that's it has
Speaker 1: to be that way though, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: like we are shooting ourselves, um another pun, but like
Speaker 1: we are shooting ourselves in the foot if we're only
Speaker 1: thinking about guns, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot,
Speaker 1: if we're only thinking about like you know, access and
Speaker 1: habitat and those other things. Right now, I myself, I
Speaker 1: am not that worried about my guns being taken away
Speaker 1: but there are threats out there and so we have
Speaker 1: to do both. And and to me, um, it's no
Speaker 1: longer you can be either side, and it's no longer
Speaker 1: we should demand from our politicians that they care about both.
Speaker 1: And if we demand that's stiff men, then we will
Speaker 1: get it. And if they if they don't, like, if
Speaker 1: they don't listen to us, guess what, they don't get elected.
Speaker 1: Well that's they swing. This all the way back to
Speaker 1: super idealistic conversation in the beginning here where we're talking
Speaker 1: about vote and that's what it means to vote, and
Speaker 1: it's like, that's what this means. Though you have a
Speaker 1: chance to be part of that changing tide or that
Speaker 1: the stiff wind. Like if we all together say, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't get to call yourself an advocate for sportsman
Speaker 1: unless you have one, two, three, four things checked off
Speaker 1: and don't come with that bullshit. Don't come over here
Speaker 1: with that bullshit. Don't come over here with that. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a sportsman, I love this. I do prove it right.
Speaker 1: And if if we all um can agree on those things,
Speaker 1: then and again, you know Ronelle and I the podcast
Speaker 1: you can listen to that we did right around you know,
Speaker 1: prior to the election, um, we thought we tried to
Speaker 1: answer the question of if you had to choose between
Speaker 1: guns and public lands, what would you do or guns
Speaker 1: and healthy ecosystems. And we're like, funk that we don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. If we did, we would give
Speaker 1: up our guns and then immediately go get them back.
Speaker 1: Like if you if I had to make that to today,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, here's your guns. But then I would
Speaker 1: go and start a rebellion and when you get him back.
Speaker 1: But I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. And
Speaker 1: so if there's any organizations out there, you know, I
Speaker 1: I love h but if if you know, if we
Speaker 1: get sniffs of like this isn't what's going on, we'll
Speaker 1: call it out. But it is what's going on. And
Speaker 1: I think another thing sportsman's sportsman need to do, hunters
Speaker 1: need to do is sniff harder, don't don't listen to rhetoric,
Speaker 1: like and like, that's what I love about. That's another
Speaker 1: T shirt, dude, that one. Actually we are coming out
Speaker 1: with that one as a killer one. Here. We are
Speaker 1: coming out with a pro nuance, anti bullshit t shirt.
Speaker 1: I'm announcing that right now for the Hunting Collective that
Speaker 1: it's got little stars on it looks like a Trump
Speaker 1: election shirt. But that's but that goes to that it's
Speaker 1: like look harder, fucking look harder. Absolutely absolutely, I like
Speaker 1: I I am probably the poster boy for having been
Speaker 1: in like caring about both these things a whole ship ton,
Speaker 1: you know when it comes to some of things that
Speaker 1: that are beating up against each other right down and
Speaker 1: it's on meat if freaking think it out. That's why
Speaker 1: podcasts like plug for this podcast, right, they're so important
Speaker 1: because they are long form conversations versus a meme or
Speaker 1: a headline that you see, right, which are basically the
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, and like you know, the algorithms
Speaker 1: or whatever, and the Russian bots that are like infiltrating us,
Speaker 1: like you're getting like some pretty serious propaganda pushing your
Speaker 1: face that is not doesn't have any depth to it, right,
Speaker 1: So go out listen to podcasts, go read. Like that's
Speaker 1: the education part that we talked about earlier too, Like
Speaker 1: it's that's vital for us to be uh an educated,
Speaker 1: you know, electorate Yeah no, And I think that's spin
Speaker 1: that all up together. You know, we could talk about
Speaker 1: who won, who lost, but like it's not necessary and
Speaker 1: I and you know, I mean, I guess I don't
Speaker 1: want to be jibalianish, but I think now that we
Speaker 1: have chambers controlled by two different parties, I think we're
Speaker 1: hopefully in a better place. Yeah, yeah, no, And again
Speaker 1: like I think it goes going back to podcasts and
Speaker 1: and are great friend. I think we could call him
Speaker 1: friend of the program. Joe rogan um Is says it
Speaker 1: all the time, like go watch Fox News, go watch MSNBC,
Speaker 1: and try to find where true ideas are being exchanged
Speaker 1: in a way that is productive for the ideas to
Speaker 1: grow and find their legs, Like go find a segment.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll turn around like a news and they'll be
Speaker 1: like seven people and I don't host, and they're like
Speaker 1: they're all covering, and one of them says like three
Speaker 1: sentences and somebody cristals like wait, wait, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and they bouncing around like a pinball machine and there's
Speaker 1: really no dialogue that's going on. No, nothing's going Everybody
Speaker 1: just like wrote down ten things to say before um
Speaker 1: and that there's my talking point where com s check
Speaker 1: all right, and I got my man left straight, my
Speaker 1: tig out of town. Tell everybody I did a good job.
Speaker 1: I'm helping your mama. So I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: listen to these longer form conversations, read um articles that
Speaker 1: really touched on the issues, and I and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm probably guilty of this a lot, but I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I think having larger, broad, idealistic conversations is
Speaker 1: important and okay, because we are in a spot where
Speaker 1: it's time to have some of those conversations, and I
Speaker 1: think people are hungry for it, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that that's why this podcast is very popular,
Speaker 1: is because people are hungry for long form they want
Speaker 1: they want something more, you know, yeah, they do once
Speaker 1: that makes them think. Um, let's talk about lame Duck
Speaker 1: for a little bit, because I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many people really understand what's really at
Speaker 1: stake in this lame duck. Um so food like you
Speaker 1: got this wounded duck on the water, so for we're
Speaker 1: trying to we're trying to make t shirts at every turn.
Speaker 1: So lame duck, for those who don't know about it,
Speaker 1: lame duck is after the time after the election, before
Speaker 1: the next Congress starts. So wrath of the election until
Speaker 1: like the first week of December. UM, I would say, like,
Speaker 1: what's at steak. One of the biggest things at stake
Speaker 1: is like the Land and Water Conservation Fund And you
Speaker 1: know it's sunset September three this year, UM. And and
Speaker 1: so now you're in this kind of limbo land. And
Speaker 1: and I think you know, there was some momentum Mr
Speaker 1: Bishop and the House was able to uh hold a
Speaker 1: hearing and then openly get a vote out of his committee.
Speaker 1: And so that was a huge movement, even slowly just
Speaker 1: out of the committee. That's that would been a stumbling
Speaker 1: block for a long time. So that happened. That happened
Speaker 1: too late, but at least it happened. UM. The Senate
Speaker 1: has been um working on a bill that's with Murkowski
Speaker 1: and with Cantwell, Republican Democrat that could hardly see eyed eye,
Speaker 1: and many things put on this issue there together. And
Speaker 1: that's that word compromise. UM. And so I think we've
Speaker 1: got an opportunity. And you know where I think it's
Speaker 1: going to end up, uh, is that we'll get permittent
Speaker 1: real authorizations. We don't have to go to these three
Speaker 1: year extensions and like be worrying about that piece there
Speaker 1: is talk about potentially doing some kind of full funding
Speaker 1: for the next three or four years um, and so
Speaker 1: at least we get that and then we can talk
Speaker 1: about you know where that funding comes from later. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that, like I really am. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that it has a chance to happen in the
Speaker 1: lane duck, like absolutely, absolutely. I think the pressure is there,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we're gonna we have a
Speaker 1: big push coming starting that Monday after Thanksgiving that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be contacting all of our members and engaging them
Speaker 1: and you know, making phone calls during that period and
Speaker 1: being like get it done as important because what potentially
Speaker 1: can happen is that it's punted. It's like Democrats don't
Speaker 1: want Republicans gonna win. Republicans like um, I want to
Speaker 1: stall some because they don't like the program, right, And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we don't get anything during lane duck,
Speaker 1: and then we're covered up in the next Congress US
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other stuff that doesn't get the
Speaker 1: first and it just gets kicked down the road. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a bad thing for LBC. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: in the LWCF, like I was always trying to like
Speaker 1: line up the opposition to it, because it seems, you know,
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be up just to everything. But do
Speaker 1: you feel that the opposition to it is appropriation? It's
Speaker 1: not that it should exist, it's like how we spend
Speaker 1: the money. M I think that's part of it. I
Speaker 1: think there's just some people fundamentally that don't like public land,
Speaker 1: and so they don't want any new acquisitions, and so
Speaker 1: they're totally against new acquisitions. And I think their appropriation
Speaker 1: is just their excuse to stop for now. It's hard
Speaker 1: to it's hard to argue against lane or conservation. It
Speaker 1: is um. I think you know the piece that they want.
Speaker 1: I mean, if this is permiere authorized and then it
Speaker 1: becomes dedicated funding, which means it doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: through the appropriations process, then you got to find a
Speaker 1: pay for us that's dollars, got to find a pay
Speaker 1: for So that is a problem, I mean not, it's
Speaker 1: not one that you can't solve, right, And that's why
Speaker 1: people are out in DC are smart and then go
Speaker 1: find that money. Um, and it's basically already you know
Speaker 1: it's there. Um. But that is a hang um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think. But I think when It fundamentally comes down
Speaker 1: to when you start hearing about oh that we want
Speaker 1: this to go through the appropriations process and so we
Speaker 1: you know, can make sure you know where this money
Speaker 1: is going for and like how it's used. It got
Speaker 1: the red harring. To me, that's just that's that's an
Speaker 1: excuse that they're using. I see that a little bit
Speaker 1: of Like that seems like just a way to say like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this thing, let's look into it further,
Speaker 1: catch it down the road or national monument things like yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do a review. Yeah, but like we really know
Speaker 1: where you just kick it down. Yeah that's good. Um,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that there's an opportunity there. Um,
Speaker 1: there's talking about an animous public Lands Bill, which basically
Speaker 1: omnimous means it's a bunch of different bills to come together. Um,
Speaker 1: which that's super exciting. Uh, you know San Juan's Wilderness
Speaker 1: and Colorado would hopefully be um on the docket there.
Speaker 1: We've got some stuff in Oregon, We've got some stuff
Speaker 1: in Washington. So there's like an opportunity to bring a
Speaker 1: bunch of like bills together that deal with public lands. Now,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about the word compromise, and it's always like,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the worry on this? Like it's actly
Speaker 1: because if they're gonna, you know, if everybody's gonna get
Speaker 1: together and say we can pass this bill where the
Speaker 1: things that get taken on to that that we don't like,
Speaker 1: now the two things that we probably don't like. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean sagere house is going to be a big one. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I think you know we're we're definitely nervous.
Speaker 1: And when I talk about safe house, it's like the
Speaker 1: stopping of implementing the conservation plans that are already been
Speaker 1: decided and it's like no funding to those plans and
Speaker 1: I basically stopping them from going forward. Happing with the
Speaker 1: governorship there, I don't wyoming, Uh what did happen in
Speaker 1: the governorship? Google it? Oh there's too many of them.
Speaker 1: I never didn't track that. Don't live in that state.
Speaker 1: I mean the Republican one. Um. I'd have to get
Speaker 1: back here on that one. About that one. See you
Speaker 1: stop me? That's good though, I'm not gonna not gonna
Speaker 1: it's now it's gonna bug me. It's gonna not that that.
Speaker 1: You can't stop me. Another t shirt. Yeah, I like this,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make lots of funny. So I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, worried about that, And then I think, um, uh,
Speaker 1: we're worried about like clean water stuff too. Um. So,
Speaker 1: like when you pass bills like that and it comes
Speaker 1: down to compromises like can you swallow some of the
Speaker 1: poison pills? And those are the ones we see right now.
Speaker 1: We couldn't swallow either one of them, and so that
Speaker 1: would be really hard to say if we don't want
Speaker 1: that to move forward. Um, but you know there's lame
Speaker 1: duck will happen. There's also you know we're coming up.
Speaker 1: The way all that stuff is gonna move would be
Speaker 1: in a budget bill, which is like I think, um
Speaker 1: that like that sunsets like that. First we get December
Speaker 1: and that's why that's like a huge target date. And
Speaker 1: so what will probably happen is we'll get another continuing resolution,
Speaker 1: which isn't bad, especially from land water Conservation phone, because
Speaker 1: it basically puts money in there that was in there
Speaker 1: before at the same level. Um. So I'm gas SIMOPLI
Speaker 1: is getting continuing resolution, but if not, like that's where
Speaker 1: this stuff can happen. And like the pressure especially ONCFF
Speaker 1: it's there, Yeah, is there any other I know, the
Speaker 1: farm bill is kind of in a similar situation that
Speaker 1: could be that could be within that budget process as well.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like private land stuff, so it's not
Speaker 1: totally in our wheelhouse, but it is a great conservation
Speaker 1: program or the at least there's the conservation tattle is
Speaker 1: like a major important piece of the farm bill. Um,
Speaker 1: so that could definitely move within that budget you know
Speaker 1: kind of process as well. But um, you know, we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you guys track to c w D very much?
Speaker 1: A little bit? A little little bit. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that um, you know, that's where at the state level,
Speaker 1: and so like our chapter up in Wisconsin in particular,
Speaker 1: is really paying attention to what's going on. Um, it's
Speaker 1: obviously becoming more of an issue here in Montana. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'd love to think try to
Speaker 1: think about it like a federal national solution, but I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna have to be state by state. It's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be. That's another good thing to say
Speaker 1: about pH And Now we had a previous podcast had
Speaker 1: John Galeen and and really if you want to get
Speaker 1: just like a real kind of dry, bare bones breakdown
Speaker 1: of what the organization is. Listen to that podcast for sure.
Speaker 1: Well it's one good thing to let's really talk about
Speaker 1: with you, um, is that there's the state level influence,
Speaker 1: uh and the state level of work that's being done
Speaker 1: on behalf of b J by some some people I've
Speaker 1: met that are just kick ass volunteers. Just the tribe
Speaker 1: that's there. It is. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's our power.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, like I always say, we punched
Speaker 1: way above our weight. And there's two reasons. First one
Speaker 1: is that we got a hell of a media shop
Speaker 1: like Kei and Kayla is I think one of the
Speaker 1: best relationships and getting our you know, she can um,
Speaker 1: she can provide a megaphone. But then the second piece
Speaker 1: of that is like all these people on the ground
Speaker 1: man that like you know, the reason that they can
Speaker 1: punch above their ways because they're going to these meetings,
Speaker 1: you know, late at night, they're driving you know, hours
Speaker 1: and be at these things like their their dedication cannot
Speaker 1: be questioned. And and the larger we grow, the more
Speaker 1: of those kind of folks that were attracting and so
Speaker 1: that it helps us influence things at a state level,
Speaker 1: and so, um, you know, whether that's like you know
Speaker 1: Oregon where there was a the Elliott State Force, it
Speaker 1: was on the chopping block, you know, was in the
Speaker 1: state force. It was going to be sold. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: people like freaked out about that, and people on the
Speaker 1: ground and a lot of our leaders amongst other partners
Speaker 1: went to the state landboard and said no. And at
Speaker 1: first they were gonna be three nothing you know, for it,
Speaker 1: and now they were three nothing against it. And then
Speaker 1: now that that state force is gonna be there for perpetuity,
Speaker 1: same things happened down a Walming, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's again I think once you empower people
Speaker 1: to it's such a such a cool thing because then
Speaker 1: it's like this, uh then they're talking to people about
Speaker 1: how excited they are and you can feel it. And
Speaker 1: so you have these people that are dedicated and they
Speaker 1: are getting their own little kind of armies around them.
Speaker 1: And so as as you know, these pockets built up,
Speaker 1: the success at the state level is definitely a place
Speaker 1: for us to concentrate. Yeah, I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: is the broader political conversation to get more tiresome like you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you draw energy from those interactions, absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think you know, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why Congress is slow moving is because I'm glacial. Is
Speaker 1: because if things go fast out there, it might not
Speaker 1: be you know, like you have this huge pendulum that
Speaker 1: swings back and forth, you know, and if you have
Speaker 1: stuff that takes time, usually that's we all thought out
Speaker 1: and all angles have been looked at, and then hopefully
Speaker 1: it stands at test of time. Um. But it's frustrating,
Speaker 1: it's you know, more than frustrating sometimes. But at a
Speaker 1: state level, I think you can influence things pretty quickly
Speaker 1: and the majority of time, like those things are going
Speaker 1: really well, and people, you know, people care about their
Speaker 1: backyard more than they do about DC, right, and while
Speaker 1: DC decisions affect them in a major way in their backyard,
Speaker 1: when you have things that they can work on at
Speaker 1: a local level that they can affect that that it's
Speaker 1: empowering to them to where they think now they can
Speaker 1: go do something out in d C. Yeah. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen that n B H and and really other groups.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's many examples, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: always been striked to me that. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: Texas chapter B h A and the place that I
Speaker 1: was going to Austin and like the week after things Giving,
Speaker 1: we're going, we're having a story telling that down there
Speaker 1: and fills them. Yea, if I was still living there,
Speaker 1: I'd be there. Uh, they're blowing up. They have two
Speaker 1: percent public land, and those guys are absolutely like like
Speaker 1: once about excuses other states, Get your ship together. Texas
Speaker 1: is killing it, killing it. If yeah, if you're over
Speaker 1: there and like you're in Michigan and you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: we just don't we don't know what to do with
Speaker 1: public lands, get it together, Get it together, because Texas
Speaker 1: is throwing parties at the Filson store. They're crushing it.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's about individuals. You know. We have
Speaker 1: a staff or k De Lorenzo that covers our whole Southwest.
Speaker 1: She is absolutely fantastic, but she covers five states. Like
Speaker 1: it is the volunteers on the ground right now that
Speaker 1: are driving that process. And like when I sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: when I hear feedback, you know, our chapter is not
Speaker 1: growing very well, and like you know, like we're like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, well, we have not really anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why, like you know, and like you
Speaker 1: have to go out and do things. And those folks
Speaker 1: down Texas, the men and women down in Texas are
Speaker 1: absolutely doers and they're crushing it. And I would say
Speaker 1: that's like Jason Mike Brandon, guys are down there killing it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think that's just an example of
Speaker 1: the value systems we're talking about. Men Like these guys
Speaker 1: live in a in a place where I lived in
Speaker 1: here and it's not good like living now in Montana.
Speaker 1: You wake up in the morning, You're like, it's a
Speaker 1: different feeling. Yeah, it's a real different feeling. I do
Speaker 1: my drive over here today. Yeah, Like there were so
Speaker 1: many places that I just wanted to pull off the
Speaker 1: road and just go explore for a little bit with
Speaker 1: this dog, you know, and like and go see if
Speaker 1: I could go jump on a duck or something. But
Speaker 1: like all that, but I drove by not all, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it was public land. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: how cool is that that I at any moment, I
Speaker 1: could have been like, oh, I'm just gonna pull over
Speaker 1: and like get out of there. So, um, you are
Speaker 1: living in a different place. But I also think that
Speaker 1: those folks down Texas. I'm looking forward to going down
Speaker 1: and talking to them more. But I've had conversations with
Speaker 1: them and they almost value it more than I do.
Speaker 1: You know, like this is second nature to me. I
Speaker 1: just drove by all this stuff today. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: likecent of Montana's public. Yeah, they only have supercents of
Speaker 1: that stuff down there. It is really important. And then
Speaker 1: these opportunities here where they can go explore are absolutely important. Well,
Speaker 1: that's it, and that's what you know. I grew up
Speaker 1: in the East Coast, I lived in Texas, and now
Speaker 1: I live here. It's it's not that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like this exclusive Western privilege. It's all of our privilege
Speaker 1: about and those dudes in the Texas chapter, I'm sure
Speaker 1: in the Pennsylvania chapter getting their trucks, I know they do.
Speaker 1: And these I know they do it because I see them.
Speaker 1: They get in their trucks, they put a cooler in there,
Speaker 1: they put all their gear and they fucking drive to
Speaker 1: Colorado and they shooting elk and then they flip around
Speaker 1: drive back. They're one of the craziest things that I
Speaker 1: think I've witnesses over in Colorado. And they have such
Speaker 1: a weird seasons like that, like those three seasons. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: But like dudes driving around with like freezers in the
Speaker 1: back of their trucks, you know, and then you look
Speaker 1: at the license plate and it's like Florida, Texas, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like they're shooting out. They have a generat
Speaker 1: in the back of the car, you know, and I
Speaker 1: put on that and they have these freezers. And the dude,
Speaker 1: I've seen multiple freezers and like free like a trailer
Speaker 1: baltiple freezes. That's that's ah, that's dedication. I wonder what
Speaker 1: if that stuff jinxes you though, right, like if you
Speaker 1: come up with like the big that's presumptive. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh, you guys, you're gonna kill them all.
Speaker 1: You brought a whole do you need that? Right? Yeah? Now,
Speaker 1: that but that's you know, that just shows that I'm
Speaker 1: very aware of like they're being. I know, there's this
Speaker 1: like little uh internet thing now where people call other
Speaker 1: hunters like West East all the West. He's love working
Speaker 1: out and going out the mounds. I'm from North Carolina,
Speaker 1: FU the West. He's like, no, shut up, like this
Speaker 1: is not this is I've lived around and and from
Speaker 1: I identify as the East Coaster and this ship is awesome.
Speaker 1: Well I would, I would say that. But then also
Speaker 1: when I think about North Carolina, they got a national
Speaker 1: force there at one point one million acres, They've got
Speaker 1: all that mars that's out there, Like you can get
Speaker 1: after it and find these pieces of back country anywhere
Speaker 1: you are, you know, And it's just about if that's
Speaker 1: the kind of way thing that you want to do,
Speaker 1: and if you don't want to do that, that's totally fine.
Speaker 1: But you can find it everywhere in Maryland where there
Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot of it. But I grew up
Speaker 1: right by green Ridge State Forest and and there's a
Speaker 1: I grew up on there like that was just a
Speaker 1: place you could go and how lucky, how lucky. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's it's not for everybody to remember.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's easy. It's easy to say that.
Speaker 1: It's easy to be a part of something that's trending.
Speaker 1: It's super easy. And I think you got it great,
Speaker 1: like you got lucky man. You have have champion an
Speaker 1: idea that ought to be easy for people to get onto. Um.
Speaker 1: And when I hope they when you say you that's
Speaker 1: like collective vhs. You know, it's like this, this tribe,
Speaker 1: this revolution and this like these people each and every
Speaker 1: day like are the ones that are um, they're heating
Speaker 1: the call and they found like you find and then
Speaker 1: I found in this like this finally some shared ideology
Speaker 1: that is infallible, like public lands are infallible. Come at
Speaker 1: me and try to try to give me one reason
Speaker 1: why they need to be taken away. And I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure for the rest of my days and for
Speaker 1: you know, I'll teach my son this, and you're teaching
Speaker 1: your kids this like there this is don't tread on
Speaker 1: this ship like don't and I'm not, you know, I'm willing.
Speaker 1: I'm an open minded person, but boy, this is pretty
Speaker 1: close to concrete. So I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: this one before, but um, my friend Corey Fisher from
Speaker 1: Trial Limited Quinness, it's like like our public lands are
Speaker 1: a second second Amendment, you like, do not touch that.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, that's like I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of what you're saying, Like this is like a
Speaker 1: land this hand issue. You know, I'm like, for me,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty lucky. That's the thing that I get to
Speaker 1: do for a living. But that's the thing that you know,
Speaker 1: I care most about after my family and you know,
Speaker 1: well we talk a lot about tribe and a lot
Speaker 1: about you know, like our people. Like you say that
Speaker 1: a lot, I find I say that a lot too.
Speaker 1: I say it, yeah, in a lot of the same
Speaker 1: ways as you say it. But like I have very
Speaker 1: much committed my career and like a lot of my
Speaker 1: thoughts too. Our people, hunters, anglers, people that like go outside,
Speaker 1: like you know, you have to and that's to be like,
Speaker 1: that's it's pretty am good way to live life. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, I'm learning every day too,
Speaker 1: you know, and whether that's outdoors, you know. The young
Speaker 1: dog that's been she's now licking. Uh, she's she's hungry
Speaker 1: and that's why she's growling. She doesn't get rainery at
Speaker 1: all except when it's dinner time. Um, me too. But
Speaker 1: like the things that I'm getting to do and explore
Speaker 1: with her and just learn, you know, about myself and
Speaker 1: learn about the places that we're hunting. Um is awesome.
Speaker 1: The things that I'm learning from other people you know,
Speaker 1: all across this country that are members of ours, Like,
Speaker 1: like that is cool. Besides like all kind of sharing
Speaker 1: that same ethos. You know, I'm like, um, the same
Speaker 1: kind of global view is it's like just learning like
Speaker 1: about these different places all over the country that you
Speaker 1: know that make this country so cool. You know. I
Speaker 1: will say, like if you need any education on what
Speaker 1: b h A is, there's this little thing called the rendezvous.
Speaker 1: And if you're wondering if this is for you and
Speaker 1: you're like public lands, I don't know, and you're wondering
Speaker 1: if if these are your people too, I would suggest,
Speaker 1: did you go to Boise? What's the dates? May one
Speaker 1: through four? May one through four, bring your bring your
Speaker 1: drinking pants, bring here. There's a little bit of that
Speaker 1: I always bring me up because I like to take
Speaker 1: But if you don't have to worry about leaving those
Speaker 1: at home, but you don't, you'll be hydrated in one
Speaker 1: way or the other and come and see that thing. Um.
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I have has been my
Speaker 1: job for the last eleven years to go to these things.
Speaker 1: And then the last couple of years I've realized, like
Speaker 1: something you you know, I've been searching for in the
Speaker 1: hunting community is there at that event, like a shared
Speaker 1: energy that just is I don't know how how you
Speaker 1: say it. Oh, then it's cool, man, It's this is fun.
Speaker 1: You know. If it was just it was just like
Speaker 1: the traditional rendezvous where people came from all across the country,
Speaker 1: you know, and just sat around like and like swap
Speaker 1: stories and like and like had a big bonfire. Like
Speaker 1: that would be like just that would be flat out amazing, right,
Speaker 1: and like that's really what this event is. And then
Speaker 1: you add into that like the Wild Game cook Off
Speaker 1: and the Public Land's Film Fest and the storytelling that
Speaker 1: you know, like all these other things, the skills and
Speaker 1: like the seminars. You know, I'm like, like all that
Speaker 1: even makes it even better. But just that piece that
Speaker 1: you first described with like people coming from all across
Speaker 1: the country and then be like, oh man, I didn't
Speaker 1: know there was other people that thought like I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, like, you know, I'm sure Remy
Speaker 1: that wouldn't mind that I say this. But I remember
Speaker 1: last year I had to leave early and go to
Speaker 1: a family event and then talking to Remy Warren on
Speaker 1: like Monday or something, and he was the one who
Speaker 1: first kind of articulated like I just did, dude. I
Speaker 1: was like I was how's how's the weekend? Man? How'd
Speaker 1: it go? Man? I've been looking for that for my
Speaker 1: whole freaking life. Ye know, I've been looking for this
Speaker 1: kind of gathering for my whole life. Man. It is awesome.
Speaker 1: And the fact that guys that love that guy like
Speaker 1: I do, can just go around and he's there hanging
Speaker 1: out all the better. And that's the thing is that
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's no pretension of b h A.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no like hierarchy of structure that's like
Speaker 1: oh you can't, um, you can't be a part of
Speaker 1: this event or you know, like that's this group over there,
Speaker 1: nobody can. Like we did the thing with Ryan Busty,
Speaker 1: our chair John Gil like all of our directors right
Speaker 1: sort of like six of us up on stage, ask
Speaker 1: us any question that you want to ask us, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like, you know, the level of acumen of
Speaker 1: our members, like the questions they were asking pretty damp high,
Speaker 1: which was really cool for me to see. You're like
Speaker 1: shuffle in your index cards like hold on, that's a
Speaker 1: car forty six. Hold on. But like that, I think
Speaker 1: that session I had a lot of good feedback from
Speaker 1: that is that, like you know, weird open book, you know,
Speaker 1: and like and again there's besides no hierarchy. It's like
Speaker 1: like this is your organization, you know, and like have
Speaker 1: conversations with us about like what you want to see
Speaker 1: or what you don't want to see and um, and
Speaker 1: we can move forward and you know with all you know,
Speaker 1: I think you know as we grow, you know, this event,
Speaker 1: you know, seven five people the year before that, last
Speaker 1: year it was this year, repay reaching fifteen to seventeen.
Speaker 1: Like it's maintained that intimacy, maintaining kind of like that
Speaker 1: open field that everybody matters. And you know, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be people there have scraped every single penny that they
Speaker 1: can just to get there to the event, and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be people there that have an opportunity, you know,
Speaker 1: to spend ten dollars on something, right, but all of
Speaker 1: them together they share the same ethos and I feel
Speaker 1: like a family and don't feel like there's a separation
Speaker 1: of the haves and the have nots or like the
Speaker 1: West East first, the East East and we're gonna use
Speaker 1: those like nour the West Side story also, but uh
Speaker 1: like that to me, I think is the juice and
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard to describe un this year there,
Speaker 1: you know, like like like you say, like the energy,
Speaker 1: but it's it's palpable. Man. Like I I freaked out
Speaker 1: when I got on stage at that storytelling because I
Speaker 1: just like the energy in that room, Like I just
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. And I just have like this like
Speaker 1: I was jumping all around like a crazy freaking people
Speaker 1: I had like my I had my uh Howard Dean moment,
Speaker 1: remember that stream and like that was my moment. I
Speaker 1: was like jumping off like crazy like all the stage. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was because the energy was so rad you know,
Speaker 1: like the conversations that I had, you know, from people
Speaker 1: all cross the country. That map they had everybody put
Speaker 1: a pin, you know, kind of where they came from.
Speaker 1: We had every single state covered, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think all but two Canadian provinces. Like that to me
Speaker 1: is it's pretty dark cool gosh. Man. Yeah, At some level,
Speaker 1: it's that's what that's what I'm after. At some some
Speaker 1: strange level, like I like to hunt alone, boy, I'd
Speaker 1: like to have a community around it. It's just it's
Speaker 1: an awesome thing to go to do. Of course, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Man one through four. Tickets will go on
Speaker 1: sale Get to Boys any day now, but it will
Speaker 1: sell out. So if you're thinking about coming, make sure
Speaker 1: that you get a ticket early. I would, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be there and it's affordable. I mean last year it
Speaker 1: was a hundred and seventing fire for the whole weekend.
Speaker 1: That's like meals and drinks. When you go there and
Speaker 1: you do everything, you're you're done after a couple of
Speaker 1: you are ready to go back to wherever you came from.
Speaker 1: That was intense. It is. It's like it's packed and
Speaker 1: you can't take breaks. I mean, Boys is an amazing place.
Speaker 1: You know. I got the Boise River run through town.
Speaker 1: It's so uh, it's such an intense weekend. Maybe we
Speaker 1: just have like a Sunday, like just get like a
Speaker 1: sevent d bean bag chairs. I'd like to see that
Speaker 1: him right, and everybody's like everybody's just like drinking water. Like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they tried to do like Archer shoot last year. They
Speaker 1: did do it Archer Shot last year. The chapter Ido
Speaker 1: chapter did not very well. Attendant. Yeah, people are just
Speaker 1: wearing slippers and their bathroom. It's pretty intense, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean when we say intense. It's it's
Speaker 1: so it's fun. It's like it's like that fm O
Speaker 1: like fair missing out, Like you don't want to miss
Speaker 1: any event because it's so awesome, you know. So you
Speaker 1: run yourself rag a little bit, bouncing from one thing
Speaker 1: to another. So take Baby, Take Back in turnally to
Speaker 1: Missoula the bean bag chair idea, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go and pitch that the frank if people still sitting
Speaker 1: bean bag chairs, Oh yeah, I think. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think college kids. I think that's I'm old. My daughter
Speaker 1: wants one right now. I'm like, you're that's good. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling like this comes back to the very beginning of
Speaker 1: the podcast. It's like the it's like like this is
Speaker 1: one place where you're cool, like thinking about bean bags
Speaker 1: they're in. Then I was thinking in the editorial space
Speaker 1: that we have in our new office, I wanted to
Speaker 1: hang those beads up you know that you folks used
Speaker 1: to have them like in between rooms, yeah, rather than
Speaker 1: a door. Yeah, because I'd like to see if somebody
Speaker 1: coming and be like hey, hey, hey, like have to
Speaker 1: do this to talk to me or talk to somebody
Speaker 1: in the editorial department. It's not going over well yet.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I mean, I'm trying to build like a
Speaker 1: kind of a style like bean bag chairs bla blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Oh yeah la babysitter to I got home
Speaker 1: there to day and she goes like, me and your
Speaker 1: kids look at the lava lamp for like twenty minutes. Awesome,
Speaker 1: Like since we're watch TV and stuff like, that's their
Speaker 1: electronic that they're watching, is this lava lamp. And it
Speaker 1: was so intriguing. That was twenty minutes of that twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of just staring at the LA and that's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: other people that are starting at those. Once we actually
Speaker 1: build the Mediator podcast studio, we may have to incorporate
Speaker 1: Lava La Lava La. Yeah, I'll be back, dude, that'd
Speaker 1: be sweet anyway. Feel free to to steal those ideas, right,
Speaker 1: I'll go back to Frankie be like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lava lamp lounge with lava. I feel like
Speaker 1: that'd be cool, all right, Land, Thank you for doing
Speaker 1: what you do hanging out man. I always appreciate you,
Speaker 1: Ben Uh, thank you for being on the board. Thank
Speaker 1: you for this opportunity on the podcast man like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the polly pulpit that you got, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate the time that
Speaker 1: you have for us today. Well, we're gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1: It's cool, all right, thank you. That's it. That's all
Speaker 1: Episode number thirty six in the books. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much to Lantauni for coming to Bosan and hanging out
Speaker 1: in the mediator offices and talking shop. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: it as always. And so if you're unfamiliar with b H,
Speaker 1: hopefully now you know what they're all about, what they
Speaker 1: do for our community, and check them out and get informed,
Speaker 1: and if you want to become a member, please do.
Speaker 1: I am um and I believe in their mission and
Speaker 1: I would say that openly always. UM and I believe
Speaker 1: in public plans, and I believe in value that they
Speaker 1: bring to all of us. And uh, I'll probably be
Speaker 1: a broken record for that as long as this podcasts exists.
Speaker 1: So I hope you're on board. If not, let's talk
Speaker 1: it through. Uh. Really, I hope that you listen last
Speaker 1: week to Morrigan Mason Well, our associator here at Meeting Incorporated,
Speaker 1: for episode number thirty five. If you missed it, go
Speaker 1: back listen to Morgan. It was a great podcast. Next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty seven, I'm gonna be joined by our
Speaker 1: very own Jannie tell Us, and we're gonna be looking
Speaker 1: into the ethical quandaries of our audience. So we asked
Speaker 1: on Instagram for folks at beny o B three oh
Speaker 1: one to give us some ethical quandaries. We've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of good ones, so Yanni and I are gonna
Speaker 1: sit down and tackle those for episode number thirty seven,
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