WEBVTT - Ep. 36: Land Tawney 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:07.960 Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirty six of The Hunting Collective. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:13.320 I'm been O'Brien and today I am joined by Land Tawny. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.960 Land Tawny is the CEO of a group called back 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.320 Country Hunters and Anglers Push Up, hope you are all 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.720 aware of. We've had his colleague John Gayle on before 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.320 to talk about what b h A is, what they 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.080 do Land in this podcast, he and I didn't really 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.720 get into the nuts and bolts of b H and 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.599 then in the inner workings and what it is. So 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.239 if you've never heard of that, stop now and go 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.639 back and find my podcast with John Gayle and give 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:43.919 it a listen, because it will give you a lot 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.599 of background on the organization. But if you do know 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.000 what b J is and you do know who Land is, um, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.280 hopefully this will be a great exploration of what he thinks, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.840 what the organization thinks, their goals, and some of the 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.960 challenges they face, some of the ays that they intend 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.600 to solve those problems. We talked a lot about the election, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.679 the mid terms, We talked a lot about some of 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.840 the bigger challenges facing folks in the hunting an angling community. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.400 And I always find Land to be a frank character 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.800 and someone who really tells it like it is and 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.680 has an understanding of where our community needs to go 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.320 and is a great voice for all of us. So 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:35.800 please enjoy episode number thirty six. And Mr Landwani Lantaani, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:41.440 what's up? Man ben O Brian and he welcome to Bozeman. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.920 Although you live in Montana, so I do, I do, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.880 but Bozeman is a good place. I don't make it 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.360 over here often enough. Yeah, this is your first time 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.880 in the Mediator Incorporated Office? Is what it is you 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.800 feel about that? Well? What I love is at the 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.400 outside is very inconspicuous. There's just like one little ten 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.280 metaters sticker. We're working on it. I kind of like that, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:04.920 like it's like this. Then all of a sudden you 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.520 going too the Mothership and uh no it's cool space. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.440 Uh we were talking earlier. You know, this is kind 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.000 of like a hub over here with Sickly really close 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.440 on X. Then you gott Glacier and Mr Raanch and 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.000 you know what I always say, I've said this for 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:23.400 years that Bosman is the Silicon Valley of of the 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.200 hunting it. You know you should make a T shirt? 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.600 You think I should make I mean, because you know 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.919 somebody somebody else is gonna say that that somebody else 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.560 is gonna like claim it right, that person would be 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.360 wrong and mostly an asshole because I came up with it. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.440 Somebody just everybody knows I said this earlier, like oh yeah, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.520 a lot of people been saying that. And one of 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.320 our wonderful colleagues here's like, well, you doubt you didn't 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.640 come up with that, Like, oh yeah, I did. Yeah, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.480 And so I feel like I made a T shirt 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.360 on it. Then you then you that is your There's 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.440 nothing that anybody can do about it once it's on 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.560 a T shirt. So anyway, Bosman, if you come here, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.840 you'll see I'm gonna make a sign and put it 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.840 up on the highway that says Bozeman Silicon Valley of 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.079 the West. Now here's one that I just somebody's telling 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.680 me about. I haven't seen that yet through and it 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.359 says the best downtown in America or something like that. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.359 And I'm like, no offense to Bozeman, but I don't 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.839 think it's like the best downtown in Montana. So yeah, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.960 come on, like that's that's a little self aware, have 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.399 a little bit of self aware so there's a couple 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.520 of things like that. Like, you know, it's perspective when 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.400 I moved to When I moved here, everybody's like, Bom man, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.960 it's really a growing place and a lot of traffic. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.600 It's super annoying. And and I said, well, how many 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.640 how many people live here? Forty whatever the number is, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.720 It ain't more than fifty. I was like, that's a 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:46.040 small town and the all suburb suburb that's like a 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.880 street corner in Chicago, like you know, coming from Austin, Texas, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.360 that's you know, a subdivision. So calm down, you know. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.840 They're like, well, there's a lot of traffic. Tell me 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.760 about that. They're like, are the cars stopped? Are they moving? Look? Well, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.560 they're moving little speed, but there's a lot of cars. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.880 Like listen, man, it's all relative, right, it's all relative. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.480 It's really cold out, but you can ski down there. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.320 You know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna remember this conversation 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.520 and I'm gonna hear you complain about traffic back. I 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.840 never said as soon as I'm here for like three years. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.239 But you know, when I moved to Bom two thousand 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.039 and eighteen, cars can go sixty five. Now that bullshit. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.360 I'm definitely my dad's definitely uh an old grumbly like 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.360 an old grumbley guy then, and I tell us I'm 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.120 never gonna be like, right, I'm always going to be 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.880 like a super positive old man if I ever make 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.159 that far. You started saying things to your kids that 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.240 you had your their parents said to you, and like right, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.560 like like I'm doing that now, and I'm catching myself 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.520 and be like, oh, I thought i'd say I'll never 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.400 say that, you know. But also like, because technology is 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.400 going so fast. You know this because you have older 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.200 children than I do. But like I look at sixteen 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.039 year old human and I'm like, I can't what the 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.880 fund is that? What is that over there? I don't 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.640 have anything in common with person, and I'm only thirty two. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.520 That ain't good, right, So imagine when we'll like fifty 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.520 years old, what it's going to be. Yeah, I mean, 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.760 the tech is moving so quickly, it is. But like, 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.840 I mean, we're trying as much as we can to 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.960 keep our kids away from tech. Like my daughter is 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.440 Tann and she's the only one in her class that 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.480 doesn't have her own device, is what she says, Like 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.239 that's a cell phone, iPad, whatever it is. She doesn't 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.320 have it. And uh and I think like kids will 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.880 be the same, Like there's like even that sixteen year old, 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.360 they're gonna be able to fine places to identify with them, right, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.400 you know. And I mean like the technology. Yes, Like 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.800 when you see those kids out and they're all on 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.760 their phones at lunch, you know, and they're probably texting themselves, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.480 like that's that's absolutely blowing my mind. But you get 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.280 them out in the woods and like, you know, like 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.360 all that stuff goes away. So that's my favorite part 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.800 about that. Yeah, yeah, because there is you know, I've 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.040 always like technology can some in some ways provide perspective, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.440 but it's it's artificial because you're not really talking to 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.960 You're not really in Japan talking to somebody in Japan. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.520 If you have a pen pal in the internet, right, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.560 it's not a pen pal. People don't say that anymore. Penal. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.359 Nobody pen pals on the Internet. I'm definitely and all 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.320 I'm gonna be an old old man when I'm forty. Yeah, well, yeah, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.960 you're already on your way. We're talking about the digital age. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.520 I'm like, you know what that digital pen pals. That's great. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.880 When email first started, yeah, when I was in high school, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.840 I remember when the first cell phones came out, and 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.560 I don't um, but I do think there is You're 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.919 it's artificial perspective, right, it's manufactured. You are speaking to 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.520 someone in a different place and time and a different 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.120 culture with a different set of experiences, but you're not 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.719 really with them, right. But when you go when you 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.320 take someone and go outside and you you know, you 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.000 delete all that artificial perspective and you get real perspective 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.960 and it's shared. You can't beat it or use your 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.440 analogy like you're talking to somebody in Japan whatever over email. 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.280 You're not really there. If you go there, that's a 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:02.520 much different experience, richer experience. Hopefully, you know you're able 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.000 to find some rich experiences with you. All the sixteen 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.119 year old are listening out, like we have virtual reality, bitch, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.800 I don't know what you guys are talking about. To 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.040 leave my house and I'm all over the world, Like dude, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.480 I'm in the Himalayas right now, and that's right now. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.440 I don't know what they're gonna come up with, right, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.600 It's gonna be bad. So anything we're saying, oh, man, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.440 we are getting all the aren't. I mean, I'm other 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.800 than you know. I'm forty three, but like I feel 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.760 like I'm sixty right now in this conversation. I feel 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.800 bad too. I'm kind of wearing like people can't see us, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.920 but I'm wearing kind of like a cardia, like an 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:40.120 old man. I'm solid in the mirror to old man smell. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.000 I'm getting the gray on the beard. That's the big 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.960 thing that's changing. That that in the hair on my head, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.120 right like our two indications I'm getting Besides like that 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.080 my knees are like when I'm going up and down 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.520 those Yeah, it's not great anyway, The outdoors are great. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.720 You guys should go don't have you ever heard of those? Yes? 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.160 Should go there. So let's talk about virtual reality for 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.640 a minute, because I think we're going to get to 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.400 some deep subjects, deeper than do you feel do your 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.800 kids haven't if there been any rumblings in their worlds. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.960 I mean, they're live in Montana, so there's a little 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.640 bit of different environment, like what's the what are their 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.920 friends doing in the tech space? Like what do they have? 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.560 What do they playing? In Fortnite? A huge thing and 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.040 like I like my son, he's playing basketball right now, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.280 Like I'll watch me practice and all a sudden you 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.160 have to start doing that one dance. Dude. It's like 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.920 and he has never even played the game, but it's 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.720 like all his buddies are playing it. And then like 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.320 the dances is kind of like this thing. Um, so 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:42.000 I'd say that's huge. Um what aunts I mean? I 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.240 mean my kids just like we're not letting them do it, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.319 and so like I'm not getting I'm not in this 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.520 hip onto like what like the technology that they're doing, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.240 you know, I mean like like we're playing I guess, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.880 uh what is it? Minecraft is gigantic with these kids, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.800 which I mean, I'm a big Lego guy. You know. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.760 It's playing Legos, you know, and I still like it. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.640 Like I'll admit it. I still like playing Legos and 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.559 I buy my son Legos and my daughter so I 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.599 can build them and I don't play with them after that, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.920 but like building stuff, and so that idea of Minecraft. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.480 You're kind of building stuff all the time. So I 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.000 can see the attraction to that. Um, but like that 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.360 is the one we have, you know, ps flour at 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.199 our house and we have Minecraft and my son. He 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.040 gets to play that, like for an hour on the weekends, 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.120 and that's what he wants to. We have soccer, we 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.640 have football. Who wants play Minecraft. I'm doing this because 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.760 I like, I'm working for a digital media company. Right now, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.600 I sound like someone who shouldn't be working for additional media. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.160 I think when next meeting is like Minecraft met either 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:40.960 Minecraft in the next board meeting and then Fortnite. Have 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.119 you ever heard of it? It's awesome. We should invest 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.920 get get Steve doing the dance and see what happens. Yeah, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.520 that'll probably you never know. We gotta freshen this place 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.760 up a little bit. That's right. Um, changing subjects taken. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.640 There's no transition. There's a hard turn that there's no 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.440 transition from Fortnite into politics. If there is one, please, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.839 you know, please let it help me something about like 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.240 I don't know much about the game. That's something about 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:11.040 zombies walking around kind of politics. Strain the swamp situation. Um, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:16.520 there was this election here recently. Um, you know, I 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.840 think everybody in the lead up now, with our media 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.480 coverage in the way that we kind of running cycles, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 I think every election feels like the most important election. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.240 I don't know if that's um, I would imagine that's 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.920 not generally unique to our time and our generation. But 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:37.400 there is still massive amounts of chatter around these these elections, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.240 whether it's a midterm like we just experienced, or it's 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.560 a presidential election, whatever it ends up being cubinatorial, it 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.160 doesn't matter. Um. So, as you think about in your 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.880 position with b h A and your position as a 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:55.000 leader into conservation space, how do you view elections, like 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.920 do you view them as opportunities for much needed change? 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.760 Do you do you view the HM as you know, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:07.160 um general opportunities for new legislation or is it maintenance 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.079 for what we already have? Like how did you come 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.360 into this mid term? What were your thoughts around how 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.320 how you would approach it? That's a good good question, UM. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.440 I think that first I look at this maybe globally, 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.520 like this opportunity to vote is pretty unique in the world, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.920 and what a special thing that we have. And you know, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.320 it's an opportunity for you to make your voice count, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.640 you know, and for me, we shouldn't take that lightly, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.880 you know. And so I think the idea that every 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.599 election you know, is like important it is, you know, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.760 and like people like, your voice doesn't count unless you 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.559 use it right and stop bitching. You know if if 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.120 you don't vote right now, if you vote, you got 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.640 a chance to bitch because you know, you actually participated 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.760 in this process. And so just fundamentally, they're like, how 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.079 rad is that? I think that's like a good thing. Um. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.800 I think, you know, elections in general are opportunities to 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.480 to really provide or it's a vehicle for talking about 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.679 the things that you care about, you know, and whether 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.240 that's public lands and waters which we care about, whether 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.360 that's you know, an array of other issues, healthcare, whatever 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.000 it is. Elections bring that out and they make people 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.840 like focused on those issues and then the elected, you know, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.679 the people that are running for office, they have to 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.400 talk about them to the people on where they stand. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.240 I think that's a really good thing. And without elections, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.480 you know, I think I think you have an opportunity 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.079 to talk about your issues more during election cycle sometimes 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.000 because there's hyper awareness right right, people trying to make 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.880 a decision. Absolutely. Um, So you know, before I talk 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.640 about kind of maybe how we have b h A 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.800 and me in particularly as CEO looked at this, I 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.280 think when I look at our system here in the 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.520 United States, it's there's a system, it's a system of 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.320 checkers imbalances. And I think that, um, there's this word 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.320 compromise that has become a dirty word. And well, if 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.480 you compromise, that means that you've you're weak. Yeah, you're 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.360 and like nobody wants to be seen as weak and 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.920 so weird and we're gonna not move forward with something 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.600 because we don't want to look weak, and so, uh, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.760 compromise is important. I think that when you find compromise, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.960 that's something that stands the test of time. When you 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.160 force something down somebody's throats on the far left or 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.480 on the far right, just using those kind of two 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.959 political parties, I don't think it's gonna last very long. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.760 I think it's the stuff that's forged in the middle 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.120 that is compromised. And so it's a long way of 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.840 saying that for this election in particular, when you have 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.520 the presidency and both houses controlled by one party and 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.720 I don't care again if that's Democrats or Republicans, there's 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.680 not as much compromise that is happening at that point. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.760 Now that you have one house that's gonna be controlled 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.480 by one party, and another um by the other and 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.559 then a presidency like you have a much more opportunity 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.480 for compromise. And I think that sweet spot that is 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.960 in the middle right and so um either that or 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.400 nothing's gonna happen. And if nothing happens, like that's bad 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:00.800 for the country. And I think that's one of the 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.680 reasons why you know, people are frustrated with the rhetoric 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.559 that is out there, uh, is that things aren't happening. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.080 And so I think that's probably you know, what elections 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.400 are for is to help people create opportunities for that. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.640 And I think you know, there's many things that the 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.920 Democrats want to get done, there's many things that Republicans 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.640 want to get done. And guess what if they want 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.160 to get those things done, they're going to have to 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.880 work to have to always find that to be you know, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.440 one of the logical fallacies of the way our politics works, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.240 Like we have these two and these we always are 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.200 addressing polarity. We're never we never get to start the 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.520 conversation by addressing our our similarities. We never need to 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.640 be like, you know, what we both agree on, because 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.920 that's too easy. But we so we start by addressing 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.720 our the polarity in our value systems and the way 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.560 we think, which which gets you down the wrong road 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.440 from the from taking step one, waste your time to 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.760 waste your time. There's talk about things we disagree on, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.560 and it's that just creates that. That's our political environment 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.360 right now. It's like people are you know, my my 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.720 family in my family circle there like let's just not 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:07.280 talk about politics, Like what are you what? That's what 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:08.880 else are we going to talk about? That was my 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.680 grandma at the dinner table, like yeah, my grand that 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.960 was like a generational thing because my grandfather used to 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.680 be like, there's three things we don't talk about. It's 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.400 like I camera, religion, politics, and sex. I was like, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.920 those are the three most interesting thanks to talk I think. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.440 I think definitely I don't want to be talking about 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.880 sex with my grandparents. Listen, Grandpa got a question at 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.760 the dinner table. Yeah, uh yeah, I mean compromise. It's again, 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.440 it's like that's it's shown as weak, and I think 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.600 that I hope that people start understanding that's how this 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.720 country works, you know, and like that's a few and 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.840 I go out tonight and go have a beer. And 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.960 if I was like, no, you can only drink this beer. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.080 You're like, I don't like that beer, and I'm like, no, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.480 you're drinking that beer. Like we wouldn't be able to 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.440 hang out, you know, like that just wouldn't happen. But 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.080 if I'm like, well, you can have a picture of 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.080 that this time, a picture this next time, I have 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.040 a different beer and tell each other why these beers 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.880 are better than the other one, you know, and it's 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.600 you know, we could talk about that, then let's let's 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.440 go better, better used with a beer in hand. But 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.160 I think like that, I think we need to talk 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.320 about compromise. And I think now that we're gonna be 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.560 with these um different parties controlling different houses, like we're 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.920 gonna get closer to that. A lot people want and 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.440 say it's gonna be solved tomorrow, but I mean, yes, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.120 I mean I think that's it's gonna be contentious too. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.080 That's part of what like my original question around your feet, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.600 like when you think about you know, mentally and emotionally, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.520 like think about the mid term, because when I thought 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.800 about the mids and rounds, stressed out, man, because I 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.400 know I knew a lot of good things would happen. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:37.880 I knew a lot of I just knew it would 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.280 be a mix of good and bad for like my 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.520 value system, and I hope to learn some stuff along 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.120 the way. But like the stress was around talking about it. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.240 The stress was around the anxiety was around bringing up 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.520 the subject and knowing wading into the pool that it 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.120 was gonna have sharks in it, like and that that 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.120 is sort of like me, he likes talk. That sucks, man, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.720 because there's some important issues there we should be able 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.240 to hammer out without being too worried that a bunch 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.640 of people are gonna hate you for just being just 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.240 just for wanting to have the conversation, not for saying 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.639 I know I'm right, but for saying, hey, here's a 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.840 thing that we should discuss. And even for that fact, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.600 knowing that you're gonna get you know, some negativity brought 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.600 into it. Yeah, I mean I think the uh, I mean, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.600 politics are bloody sport, especially around elections. You know, I 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:30.840 mean it's like you have a winner and you have 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.760 a loser, and um, you know bad things, you know, 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.720 are sad about people, and I mean it's a pretty 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.280 bloody sport. But and I think during that time, like 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.080 you're describing that it's hard to kind of maybe talk 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.560 about these things because things are so hot. Well, now 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.200 the elections happen, change, the changes have happened. Let's move 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.000 forward like there's nothing else to do. Then move forward 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.640 in my mind, and so hopefully even our president said 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.240 that his uh, I don't like to listen to anything 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.840 that he says, um, just because he says because he's 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.600 just foolish things. But I listened to that, you know, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.119 because I was after the election. I was kind of 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.160 in this mode of wanting to collect my thoughts around 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.399 what had happened and what the impact was and then 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.440 move on with my life. And you don't understand like this, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.080 you know the environment we're now in, and move on 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.000 and you live my life. But I did listen to 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.480 his precially his news conference directly after the elections were over, um, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.040 and he said, hey, now we can be a little 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.080 nice to each other, Like okay, that's good, but maybe 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.760 we just practiced that all the time all the time, right, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.320 Like that should be the way it is all the time, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.919 but it needs to be. But yeah, listen, we can 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.679 go through that all day. But I think that's not 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.439 going to happen. But it is good to hear have 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.439 him hear him say that, and then let's see how 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.200 it happens in practice. You know, they have this, We're 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:48.880 get into details that are probably a little bit We'll 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.480 have his lame duck session, you know that. I think 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.119 a lot of things will potentially happen between now and 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.159 the first week in December, and then you'll have a 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.320 break over the holidays, and then new Congress will start 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.280 in January, and you know, we'll see how they want 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.640 to play. And um, I think it's I think it's 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.040 anytime there's a transition where there's been a house control 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.760 by somebody and then there's a new leadership, I think 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.760 it's really important, uh that we focus on what's good 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.320 for the country at that point, versus like it's now 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.119 time to uh put your notches in the belt and 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.119 so to speak, right like, oh you guys did this? 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.840 Did you did this us for so long? Now we're 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.920 gonna do it to you. And I that is something 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.600 I'm very tired of and I hopefully we can move 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.600 past that. Well. I mean, I was in DC a 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.200 couple of months ago and talking to some folks, and 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:38.400 that's something that came up around a lot around that 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.480 partisanship was came up two or three different times, but 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.879 I thought it was odd around the duck stand m 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:50.960 and you know, the sportsman going to Congress sing raise 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.560 that sucker, raise that tax. We are the constituency that 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.399 will pay the tax. We're asking you to raise it 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.439 as directly affects us, and we want it, want it. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.560