1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirty six of The Hunting Collective. 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm been O'Brien and today I am joined by Land Tawny. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Land Tawny is the CEO of a group called back 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Country Hunters and Anglers Push Up, hope you are all 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: aware of. We've had his colleague John Gayle on before 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: to talk about what b h A is, what they 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: do Land in this podcast, he and I didn't really 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: get into the nuts and bolts of b H and 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: then in the inner workings and what it is. So 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: if you've never heard of that, stop now and go 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: back and find my podcast with John Gayle and give 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: it a listen, because it will give you a lot 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: of background on the organization. But if you do know 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: what b J is and you do know who Land is, um, 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: hopefully this will be a great exploration of what he thinks, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: what the organization thinks, their goals, and some of the 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: challenges they face, some of the ays that they intend 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: to solve those problems. We talked a lot about the election, 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: the mid terms, We talked a lot about some of 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: the bigger challenges facing folks in the hunting an angling community. 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: And I always find Land to be a frank character 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: and someone who really tells it like it is and 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: has an understanding of where our community needs to go 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: and is a great voice for all of us. So 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: please enjoy episode number thirty six. And Mr Landwani Lantaani, 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: what's up? Man ben O Brian and he welcome to Bozeman. 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Although you live in Montana, so I do, I do, 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: but Bozeman is a good place. I don't make it 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: over here often enough. Yeah, this is your first time 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: in the Mediator Incorporated Office? Is what it is you 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: feel about that? Well? What I love is at the 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: outside is very inconspicuous. There's just like one little ten 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: metaters sticker. We're working on it. I kind of like that, 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: like it's like this. Then all of a sudden you 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: going too the Mothership and uh no it's cool space. 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Uh we were talking earlier. You know, this is kind 37 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: of like a hub over here with Sickly really close 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: on X. Then you gott Glacier and Mr Raanch and 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: you know what I always say, I've said this for 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: years that Bosman is the Silicon Valley of of the 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: hunting it. You know you should make a T shirt? 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: You think I should make I mean, because you know 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: somebody somebody else is gonna say that that somebody else 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: is gonna like claim it right, that person would be 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: wrong and mostly an asshole because I came up with it. 46 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Somebody just everybody knows I said this earlier, like oh yeah, 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people been saying that. And one of 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: our wonderful colleagues here's like, well, you doubt you didn't 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: come up with that, Like, oh yeah, I did. Yeah, 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: And so I feel like I made a T shirt 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: on it. Then you then you that is your There's 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: nothing that anybody can do about it once it's on 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: a T shirt. So anyway, Bosman, if you come here, 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: you'll see I'm gonna make a sign and put it 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: up on the highway that says Bozeman Silicon Valley of 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: the West. Now here's one that I just somebody's telling 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: me about. I haven't seen that yet through and it 58 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: says the best downtown in America or something like that. 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no offense to Bozeman, but I don't 60 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: think it's like the best downtown in Montana. So yeah, 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: come on, like that's that's a little self aware, have 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: a little bit of self aware so there's a couple 63 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: of things like that. Like, you know, it's perspective when 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: I moved to When I moved here, everybody's like, Bom man, 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: it's really a growing place and a lot of traffic. 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: It's super annoying. And and I said, well, how many 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: how many people live here? Forty whatever the number is, 68 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: It ain't more than fifty. I was like, that's a 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: small town and the all suburb suburb that's like a 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: street corner in Chicago, like you know, coming from Austin, Texas, 71 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: that's you know, a subdivision. So calm down, you know. 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: They're like, well, there's a lot of traffic. Tell me 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: about that. They're like, are the cars stopped? Are they moving? Look? Well, 74 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: they're moving little speed, but there's a lot of cars. 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: Like listen, man, it's all relative, right, it's all relative. 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: It's really cold out, but you can ski down there. 77 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna remember this conversation 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hear you complain about traffic back. I 79 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: never said as soon as I'm here for like three years. 80 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: But you know, when I moved to Bom two thousand 81 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: and eighteen, cars can go sixty five. Now that bullshit. 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm definitely my dad's definitely uh an old grumbly like 83 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: an old grumbley guy then, and I tell us I'm 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: never gonna be like, right, I'm always going to be 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: like a super positive old man if I ever make 86 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: that far. You started saying things to your kids that 87 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: you had your their parents said to you, and like right, 88 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: like like I'm doing that now, and I'm catching myself 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I thought i'd say I'll never 90 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: say that, you know. But also like, because technology is 91 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: going so fast. You know this because you have older 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: children than I do. But like I look at sixteen 93 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: year old human and I'm like, I can't what the 94 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: fund is that? What is that over there? I don't 95 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: have anything in common with person, and I'm only thirty two. 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: That ain't good, right, So imagine when we'll like fifty 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: years old, what it's going to be. Yeah, I mean, 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the tech is moving so quickly, it is. But like, 99 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we're trying as much as we can to 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: keep our kids away from tech. Like my daughter is 101 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Tann and she's the only one in her class that 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have her own device, is what she says, Like 103 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: that's a cell phone, iPad, whatever it is. She doesn't 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: have it. And uh and I think like kids will 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: be the same, Like there's like even that sixteen year old, 106 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to fine places to identify with them, right, 107 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: you know. And I mean like the technology. Yes, Like 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: when you see those kids out and they're all on 109 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: their phones at lunch, you know, and they're probably texting themselves, 110 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: like that's that's absolutely blowing my mind. But you get 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: them out in the woods and like, you know, like 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff goes away. So that's my favorite part 113 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, because there is you know, I've 114 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: always like technology can some in some ways provide perspective, 115 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: but it's it's artificial because you're not really talking to 116 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: You're not really in Japan talking to somebody in Japan. 117 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: If you have a pen pal in the internet, right, 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: it's not a pen pal. People don't say that anymore. Penal. 119 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: Nobody pen pals on the Internet. I'm definitely and all 120 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be an old old man when I'm forty. Yeah, well, yeah, 121 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: you're already on your way. We're talking about the digital age. 122 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what that digital pen pals. That's great. 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: When email first started, yeah, when I was in high school, 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: I remember when the first cell phones came out, and 125 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't um, but I do think there is You're 126 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: it's artificial perspective, right, it's manufactured. You are speaking to 127 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: someone in a different place and time and a different 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: culture with a different set of experiences, but you're not 129 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: really with them, right. But when you go when you 130 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: take someone and go outside and you you know, you 131 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: delete all that artificial perspective and you get real perspective 132 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: and it's shared. You can't beat it or use your 133 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: analogy like you're talking to somebody in Japan whatever over email. 134 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: You're not really there. If you go there, that's a 135 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: much different experience, richer experience. Hopefully, you know you're able 136 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: to find some rich experiences with you. All the sixteen 137 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: year old are listening out, like we have virtual reality, bitch, 138 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are talking about. To 139 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: leave my house and I'm all over the world, Like dude, 140 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm in the Himalayas right now, and that's right now. 141 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna come up with, right, 142 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna be bad. So anything we're saying, oh, man, 143 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: we are getting all the aren't. I mean, I'm other 144 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: than you know. I'm forty three, but like I feel 145 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: like I'm sixty right now in this conversation. I feel 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: bad too. I'm kind of wearing like people can't see us, 147 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: but I'm wearing kind of like a cardia, like an 148 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: old man. I'm solid in the mirror to old man smell. 149 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting the gray on the beard. That's the big 150 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: thing that's changing. That that in the hair on my head, 151 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: right like our two indications I'm getting Besides like that 152 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: my knees are like when I'm going up and down 153 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: those Yeah, it's not great anyway, The outdoors are great. 154 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: You guys should go don't have you ever heard of those? Yes? 155 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Should go there. So let's talk about virtual reality for 156 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: a minute, because I think we're going to get to 157 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: some deep subjects, deeper than do you feel do your 158 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: kids haven't if there been any rumblings in their worlds. 159 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they're live in Montana, so there's a little 160 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: bit of different environment, like what's the what are their 161 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: friends doing in the tech space? Like what do they have? 162 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: What do they playing? In Fortnite? A huge thing and 163 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: like I like my son, he's playing basketball right now, 164 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: Like I'll watch me practice and all a sudden you 165 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: have to start doing that one dance. Dude. It's like 166 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: and he has never even played the game, but it's 167 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: like all his buddies are playing it. And then like 168 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: the dances is kind of like this thing. Um, so 169 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: I'd say that's huge. Um what aunts I mean? I 170 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: mean my kids just like we're not letting them do it, 171 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: and so like I'm not getting I'm not in this 172 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: hip onto like what like the technology that they're doing, 173 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean like like we're playing I guess, 174 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: uh what is it? Minecraft is gigantic with these kids, 175 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: which I mean, I'm a big Lego guy. You know. 176 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: It's playing Legos, you know, and I still like it. 177 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: Like I'll admit it. I still like playing Legos and 178 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: I buy my son Legos and my daughter so I 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: can build them and I don't play with them after that, 180 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: but like building stuff, and so that idea of Minecraft. 181 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: You're kind of building stuff all the time. So I 182 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: can see the attraction to that. Um, but like that 183 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: is the one we have, you know, ps flour at 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: our house and we have Minecraft and my son. He 185 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: gets to play that, like for an hour on the weekends, 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: and that's what he wants to. We have soccer, we 187 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: have football. Who wants play Minecraft. I'm doing this because 188 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I like, I'm working for a digital media company. Right now, 189 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I sound like someone who shouldn't be working for additional media. 190 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: I think when next meeting is like Minecraft met either 191 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: Minecraft in the next board meeting and then Fortnite. Have 192 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,119 Speaker 1: you ever heard of it? It's awesome. We should invest 193 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: get get Steve doing the dance and see what happens. Yeah, 194 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: that'll probably you never know. We gotta freshen this place 195 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: up a little bit. That's right. Um, changing subjects taken. 196 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: There's no transition. There's a hard turn that there's no 197 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: transition from Fortnite into politics. If there is one, please, 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: you know, please let it help me something about like 199 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know much about the game. That's something about 200 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: zombies walking around kind of politics. Strain the swamp situation. Um, 201 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: there was this election here recently. Um, you know, I 202 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: think everybody in the lead up now, with our media 203 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: coverage in the way that we kind of running cycles, 204 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: I think every election feels like the most important election. 205 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's um, I would imagine that's 206 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: not generally unique to our time and our generation. But 207 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: there is still massive amounts of chatter around these these elections, 208 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: whether it's a midterm like we just experienced, or it's 209 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: a presidential election, whatever it ends up being cubinatorial, it 210 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Um. So, as you think about in your 211 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: position with b h A and your position as a 212 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: leader into conservation space, how do you view elections, like 213 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: do you view them as opportunities for much needed change? 214 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: Do you do you view the HM as you know, 215 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: um general opportunities for new legislation or is it maintenance 216 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: for what we already have? Like how did you come 217 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: into this mid term? What were your thoughts around how 218 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: how you would approach it? That's a good good question, UM. 219 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: I think that first I look at this maybe globally, 220 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: like this opportunity to vote is pretty unique in the world, 221 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: and what a special thing that we have. And you know, 222 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for you to make your voice count, 223 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, and for me, we shouldn't take that lightly, 224 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: you know. And so I think the idea that every 225 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: election you know, is like important it is, you know, 226 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: and like people like, your voice doesn't count unless you 227 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: use it right and stop bitching. You know if if 228 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you don't vote right now, if you vote, you got 229 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: a chance to bitch because you know, you actually participated 230 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: in this process. And so just fundamentally, they're like, how 231 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: rad is that? I think that's like a good thing. Um. 232 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I think, you know, elections in general are opportunities to 233 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: to really provide or it's a vehicle for talking about 234 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: the things that you care about, you know, and whether 235 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: that's public lands and waters which we care about, whether 236 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: that's you know, an array of other issues, healthcare, whatever 237 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: it is. Elections bring that out and they make people 238 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: like focused on those issues and then the elected, you know, 239 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: the people that are running for office, they have to 240 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: talk about them to the people on where they stand. 241 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thing. And without elections, 242 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think you have an opportunity 243 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: to talk about your issues more during election cycle sometimes 244 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: because there's hyper awareness right right, people trying to make 245 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: a decision. Absolutely. Um, So you know, before I talk 246 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: about kind of maybe how we have b h A 247 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: and me in particularly as CEO looked at this, I 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: think when I look at our system here in the 249 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: United States, it's there's a system, it's a system of 250 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: checkers imbalances. And I think that, um, there's this word 251 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: compromise that has become a dirty word. And well, if 252 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: you compromise, that means that you've you're weak. Yeah, you're 253 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: and like nobody wants to be seen as weak and 254 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: so weird and we're gonna not move forward with something 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: because we don't want to look weak, and so, uh, 256 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: compromise is important. I think that when you find compromise, 257 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: that's something that stands the test of time. When you 258 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: force something down somebody's throats on the far left or 259 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: on the far right, just using those kind of two 260 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: political parties, I don't think it's gonna last very long. 261 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: I think it's the stuff that's forged in the middle 262 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: that is compromised. And so it's a long way of 263 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: saying that for this election in particular, when you have 264 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: the presidency and both houses controlled by one party and 265 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't care again if that's Democrats or Republicans, there's 266 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: not as much compromise that is happening at that point. 267 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: Now that you have one house that's gonna be controlled 268 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: by one party, and another um by the other and 269 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: then a presidency like you have a much more opportunity 270 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: for compromise. And I think that sweet spot that is 271 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: in the middle right and so um either that or 272 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen. And if nothing happens, like that's bad 273 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: for the country. And I think that's one of the 274 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: reasons why you know, people are frustrated with the rhetoric 275 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: that is out there, uh, is that things aren't happening. 276 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: And so I think that's probably you know, what elections 277 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: are for is to help people create opportunities for that. 278 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: And I think you know, there's many things that the 279 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Democrats want to get done, there's many things that Republicans 280 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: want to get done. And guess what if they want 281 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: to get those things done, they're going to have to 282 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: work to have to always find that to be you know, 283 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: one of the logical fallacies of the way our politics works, 284 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: Like we have these two and these we always are 285 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: addressing polarity. We're never we never get to start the 286 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: conversation by addressing our our similarities. We never need to 287 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: be like, you know, what we both agree on, because 288 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: that's too easy. But we so we start by addressing 289 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: our the polarity in our value systems and the way 290 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: we think, which which gets you down the wrong road 291 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: from the from taking step one, waste your time to 292 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: waste your time. There's talk about things we disagree on, 293 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: and it's that just creates that. That's our political environment 294 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: right now. It's like people are you know, my my 295 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: family in my family circle there like let's just not 296 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: talk about politics, Like what are you what? That's what 297 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: else are we going to talk about? That was my 298 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: grandma at the dinner table, like yeah, my grand that 299 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: was like a generational thing because my grandfather used to 300 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: be like, there's three things we don't talk about. It's 301 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: like I camera, religion, politics, and sex. I was like, 302 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: those are the three most interesting thanks to talk I think. 303 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I think definitely I don't want to be talking about 304 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: sex with my grandparents. Listen, Grandpa got a question at 305 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: the dinner table. Yeah, uh yeah, I mean compromise. It's again, 306 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: it's like that's it's shown as weak, and I think 307 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: that I hope that people start understanding that's how this 308 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: country works, you know, and like that's a few and 309 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: I go out tonight and go have a beer. And 310 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: if I was like, no, you can only drink this beer. 311 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't like that beer, and I'm like, no, 312 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: you're drinking that beer. Like we wouldn't be able to 313 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: hang out, you know, like that just wouldn't happen. But 314 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: if I'm like, well, you can have a picture of 315 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: that this time, a picture this next time, I have 316 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: a different beer and tell each other why these beers 317 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: are better than the other one, you know, and it's 318 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, we could talk about that, then let's let's 319 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: go better, better used with a beer in hand. But 320 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: I think like that, I think we need to talk 321 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: about compromise. And I think now that we're gonna be 322 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: with these um different parties controlling different houses, like we're 323 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: gonna get closer to that. A lot people want and 324 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: say it's gonna be solved tomorrow, but I mean, yes, 325 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's it's gonna be contentious too. 326 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: That's part of what like my original question around your feet, 327 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: like when you think about you know, mentally and emotionally, 328 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: like think about the mid term, because when I thought 329 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: about the mids and rounds, stressed out, man, because I 330 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: know I knew a lot of good things would happen. 331 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: I knew a lot of I just knew it would 332 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: be a mix of good and bad for like my 333 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: value system, and I hope to learn some stuff along 334 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the way. But like the stress was around talking about it. 335 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: The stress was around the anxiety was around bringing up 336 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: the subject and knowing wading into the pool that it 337 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: was gonna have sharks in it, like and that that 338 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: is sort of like me, he likes talk. That sucks, man, 339 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: because there's some important issues there we should be able 340 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: to hammer out without being too worried that a bunch 341 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: of people are gonna hate you for just being just 342 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: just for wanting to have the conversation, not for saying 343 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: I know I'm right, but for saying, hey, here's a 344 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: thing that we should discuss. And even for that fact, 345 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: knowing that you're gonna get you know, some negativity brought 346 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I mean I think the uh, I mean, 347 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: politics are bloody sport, especially around elections. You know, I 348 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: mean it's like you have a winner and you have 349 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: a loser, and um, you know bad things, you know, 350 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: are sad about people, and I mean it's a pretty 351 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: bloody sport. But and I think during that time, like 352 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: you're describing that it's hard to kind of maybe talk 353 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: about these things because things are so hot. Well, now 354 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: the elections happen, change, the changes have happened. Let's move 355 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: forward like there's nothing else to do. Then move forward 356 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: in my mind, and so hopefully even our president said 357 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: that his uh, I don't like to listen to anything 358 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: that he says, um, just because he says because he's 359 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: just foolish things. But I listened to that, you know, 360 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: because I was after the election. I was kind of 361 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: in this mode of wanting to collect my thoughts around 362 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: what had happened and what the impact was and then 363 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: move on with my life. And you don't understand like this, 364 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: you know the environment we're now in, and move on 365 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: and you live my life. But I did listen to 366 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: his precially his news conference directly after the elections were over, um, 367 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, now we can be a little 368 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: nice to each other, Like okay, that's good, but maybe 369 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: we just practiced that all the time all the time, right, 370 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Like that should be the way it is all the time, 371 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: but it needs to be. But yeah, listen, we can 372 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: go through that all day. But I think that's not 373 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: going to happen. But it is good to hear have 374 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: him hear him say that, and then let's see how 375 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: it happens in practice. You know, they have this, We're 376 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: get into details that are probably a little bit We'll 377 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: have his lame duck session, you know that. I think 378 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: a lot of things will potentially happen between now and 379 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: the first week in December, and then you'll have a 380 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: break over the holidays, and then new Congress will start 381 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: in January, and you know, we'll see how they want 382 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: to play. And um, I think it's I think it's 383 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: anytime there's a transition where there's been a house control 384 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: by somebody and then there's a new leadership, I think 385 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: it's really important, uh that we focus on what's good 386 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: for the country at that point, versus like it's now 387 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: time to uh put your notches in the belt and 388 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: so to speak, right like, oh you guys did this? 389 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: Did you did this us for so long? Now we're 390 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: gonna do it to you. And I that is something 391 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm very tired of and I hopefully we can move 392 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: past that. Well. I mean, I was in DC a 393 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: couple of months ago and talking to some folks, and 394 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: that's something that came up around a lot around that 395 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: partisanship was came up two or three different times, but 396 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: I thought it was odd around the duck stand m 397 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: and you know, the sportsman going to Congress sing raise 398 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: that sucker, raise that tax. We are the constituency that 399 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: will pay the tax. We're asking you to raise it 400 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: as directly affects us, and we want it, want it. 401 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: And there there's some folks in our government that were like, listen, 402 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: I got elected by saying that I would never raise 403 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: a tax. They're like, yeah, yeah, I get that, I 404 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: get that, but you can think critically, yes, like this 405 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: is the one exception to what you ran on, right, 406 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: the constituency that will pay the tax, that is getting taxed, 407 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: its demanding for the raise in the tax, and like 408 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: that is the one most you know, that's an extreme example, 409 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: I think, but an example of roadblocks that just shouldn't exist, 410 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: logically can't exist if we're gonna get anything done. Yeah, 411 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean I know that senator by name. Yeah I 412 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: do too. And and like at the same time, he 413 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: got an award that year from an organization that is 414 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: based around the duck stamp, you know, and like I 415 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: just listening to the people, I think is the most 416 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: important thing, right, you know, I like this idea of 417 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: flip flopping. Let's say, like I said, no new taxes, 418 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: and if I do this and I'm so flopping. Know 419 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: you're listening to the people, like you're getting more information. 420 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: You know, the same thing with like uh Jason Schaefitz. 421 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, like when he changed his ideas on the 422 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: sale of those three million acres, that was a good 423 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: thing because he listened to even if he didn't want 424 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to write. He got dragged what he did. I got 425 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: drag kicking and streaming. At least he stopped kicking and 426 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: screaming at some point and he gave in, like that's 427 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: politicians should do that. That that sound government opinion. They're 428 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: representing the people, right, So now I think like you're 429 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: right on that one. Um. I think back to like, 430 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, these elections create opportunities to create dialogues and 431 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, issues that are important to 432 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: you and for us that's public lands and public waters. 433 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: And what's great about when the election is as far 434 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: as timing, and this is the September is kind of 435 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: this month. You know, you have public national Public LANs Day, 436 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: you have National Hunting Fishing day and a couple of 437 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: years ago, we're like, man, that's great for those days, 438 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: but let's like think about September is like public LANs Month, right, 439 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: And so really celebrated Public LANs Month in September and 440 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: then started a campaign about voting for public lands and waters. 441 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: And really what that campaign is is that, you know, 442 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: we legally can't tell you to vote for you know, 443 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: I can't say pick you know that that politician over 444 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: there is the one that's going to support us no 445 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: matter what, go vote for them. We can't do that 446 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: as a five O one C. Three. What we can 447 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: do is start to have people like critically ask questions, 448 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, and then, you know, one of the things 449 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: that's great and when politicians are on the stump, you know, 450 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: going out and talking to a bunch of people they 451 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: like to like to get votes and say things. And 452 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: then once they say those things, you can hold them 453 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: accountable if they win, right, And so like being able 454 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: to talk to them and ask them questions about public 455 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: lands and waters during that month of September and then 456 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: up to the election, I think was a really important thing. 457 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: So I think what we were really with our vote 458 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: public Lands and Waters campaign are trying to do is 459 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: really one is to you know, have people think about 460 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: that when they make that vote. But it also creates 461 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: this dialogue then for the politicians that are running at 462 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, that's that's important. That dialogue is and 463 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: to do something I've heard you say before in a 464 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: lot of people have it. It's it seems common sense, 465 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: but I think in practice is challenging for people. Like 466 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: if if you go to a rally, or if you 467 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: pick up a pen and paper or go to your 468 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: computer and write an email to these these politicians, the 469 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: will read it and listen if you you know, if 470 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: you're pointed and you stay your case. I have found 471 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: I've done it many times. Like you'll a lot of 472 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: times you get a letter back pretty quick. Yeah, and 473 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: sometimes you know a lot of times it will be 474 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: four letters. But I think what's happening then, and now 475 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: we're getting into like policy sides, but like, um, is 476 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: that that staffer that that just correspondent who's opening the 477 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: mail is keeping score right? And so then they're reporting 478 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: to their boss that day, right, and they're saying, okay, 479 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: we've got you know, five letters over here that's say this, 480 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: and then one letter over here it says this like 481 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: there and so you know, this is what we got. 482 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: But it gives them an idea of what the representation 483 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: of their constituents, what their constituents think, right, and so 484 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: like it's super important and um, no matter what, like 485 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: you know, that's a way for your voice to count. Um. 486 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: But one thing, and I'd be missed not to say this, 487 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: is that we did for the first time this year, 488 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: we did Canada questionnaires and so basically as a five 489 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: of one C three, it's something we can do, um, 490 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: go out and ask you know, candidates that are running, 491 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: so both the Democrat and the Republican give them a 492 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: fair opportunity to be able to answer the questions and 493 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: then just publish what they say, you know, verbatim and 494 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: not not what they said on an interview, but what 495 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: they write now. Right, So there's no I can't exactly 496 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: there's no bait and switch or anything like that, like 497 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: oh I kind of heard him say this, I'm gonna 498 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: say that, So it's exactly what they said. And then 499 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: we published those and so we did those in three 500 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: states that in Colorado, New Mexico, and Wisconsin. And uh, 501 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: and again I'm that's our first time doing I'm super 502 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: excited that we did it. Our folks on the ground, 503 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, our account, crash Roots Army, we're the ones 504 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: that we're reaching out to those campaigns. It wasn't you know, 505 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: me or John Gale reaching out to them, it was 506 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: people on the ground and we got a great response back. 507 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: And as far as like participation, and so what that 508 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: sets us up for I hope is that is it 509 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: in that we can do that in all fifty states. Yeah, 510 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: we start to doing up in Canada as well. And 511 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: so again we can't tell you who to vote for it, 512 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: but we can provide information for you so you can 513 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: look at Canada X candidate Y and say, oh, well 514 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: that's what they said about this issue, and this is 515 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: what they said, you know about this issue. So it's 516 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: fantastic they you know, and the person can figure out 517 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: for their own like who they want to vote for. 518 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: But you know, I've probably talked about this before, like 519 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: I really feel, you know, conservation groups that is the job. 520 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: The job is to gather together like minded people and 521 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: inform them of what the right choices are and what 522 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: the important issues are. And and p H has done 523 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: that in spades. With you know, it confines in my 524 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: mind around Chafe. It's but it's more than that. But 525 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, National Monuments people, you know, lay to Water 526 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund was not trending some years ago. It's pretty 527 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: rad now, right, So rad, it's rad. That's the people 528 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: know what it is. Yeah, people know what it is. 529 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: So I think there's some there's a lot of power 530 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: in that. And as long as they as long as 531 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: you're you're swinging that big stick to inform, you can't lose, 532 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: you'll never know. And I think and that's and I think, 533 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the for those people listening 534 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: to this. It's like, one of our most important jobs 535 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: is as a nonprofit and that h A is to 536 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: help educate. But I think as as a voter, as 537 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: an American citizen, one of the most important things that 538 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: you can do is educate yourself. And and b h A, yes, 539 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: please listen to us, become a member, all those things. 540 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: But there's many places to get information right now, and 541 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: go get that information and then make educated decisions, you know. 542 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, we talked about voting before, 543 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it's a responsibility for us 544 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: to vote but also to make an educated vote. You know, 545 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: if you're just going in there and just kind of 546 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: going down and doing things by the party line or 547 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: just kind of um not voting with information, I think 548 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: that does a disservice to this country. Yeah, I think 549 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: you're right about that, and I think sportsman, you know, 550 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: hunters and anglers are understanding that more than ever I 551 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: I would pose it. I think awakening, awakening, hapning is happening. 552 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: We were talking about that a little bit earlier. I mean, 553 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: I feel like there is this willingness too. You've seen 554 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: it b h A events. We've seen it at you know, 555 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: Mediator Live events. I've seen it even with the Eddie. 556 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean that people willing to travel, willing to like, 557 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: are committed to this idea and willing to give for 558 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: it and give a lot for it. And if you 559 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: and I feel if you're willing to give for something, 560 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: you damn sure are at the same time willing to 561 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: put in the effort to be educated about it. I mean, 562 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: I feel like those things go hand in hand, and 563 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: so what you guys are doing in b h A 564 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: is huge. Yeah, I mean I call it the awakening, 565 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: but also like the revolution, right, like the people when 566 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: they are educated and they know what they want, then 567 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: they will demand their politicians. And again it doesn't matter 568 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat Republican. Public plans and public waters 569 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: like they cross a lot of party lines. Well, I 570 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: always say it's trending because it's it's it's an easy play, 571 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: like it's an easy America Bald Eagles public plans. But 572 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: maybe that's a T shirt as I'm Merican, as apple 573 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: pies America. I've used that Labe before. I will tell 574 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: you I said before. Have you said that anyway? Boseman? 575 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: Is the look about back to your back to your 576 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: great statement today. Yeah, there's people anybody like if you 577 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: if you follow them. The Mediator podcast, Steve made a 578 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: quote about high fence squirrel hunting. You guys put it 579 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: into the and then there is no high squirrel hunting, 580 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and we immediately made a T shirt. And so all 581 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: everything I say on every podcast from now on is 582 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: in an effort to get T shirts made about what 583 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love it because there's a hundred people 584 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: are gonna wear that shirt. Yeah, So I'm right now, 585 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking everything every sentence I say, I'm trying to 586 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: make it into a T shirt. And when I love 587 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: about that squirrel on is the conversations that will be 588 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: started around that, like people that don't hunt, what are 589 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: you talking about? Can't squirrels climb fences? Exactly exactly what 590 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: were we talking about back? But I mean I don't 591 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: know that. I mean, I think the idealism in America, Yeah, well, 592 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: like an education, right, you know. I think that's what 593 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: BH is trying to do. And I think that's why 594 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: we're growing so quickly. Is that, um, people you don't 595 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: see kind of uh that we're honest players and this 596 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, and like here's the information if 597 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you want to be part of our tribe. We're building 598 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: a coalition of the willing and they're coming in droves. 599 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, these politicians, I think 600 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, and if I watched this last election, um, 601 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: and we're sitting here in Montana, I mean public lands 602 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: played a major role, a major role, and I think 603 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: that's exciting to me. You know. I think I said, 604 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: uh to somebody after the election, is that you know, 605 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: people I want to put a roof over their head 606 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: and they want to, you know, talk about medicine and 607 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: right now, public lands a least in this state is 608 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: like one of those top three issues, and that is exciting. 609 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: I think there's other places in the in the country 610 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: like Colorado and Idaho. You know, played a big role 611 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: in the governor's race over in Idaho. Um more in 612 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the primary than it did in the general, but definitely 613 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: in the in the primary. And so public lands is 614 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: becoming an issue that is a top tier issue. And 615 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: I think it's partly because it's such a unifying issue, 616 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it's also a place 617 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: to pick up votes in the middle. You know, if 618 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: you want to get elected, you gotta be right on 619 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: public lands and public waters and um. So I think 620 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: that election proved some of that. I think that you know, 621 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: there was three ballot initiatives that we looked at, in 622 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: particular one in Connecticut. Connecticut, Uh, the way it was 623 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: before this ballot initiative was passed was very easy for 624 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: whoever was in charge of the the administration just to sell 625 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: their state public land. So before I even talk about that, 626 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: it's another reason why we do not want you know, 627 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: federally managed public lands transfer to the states, because they 628 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: will sell them. And and so Connecticut was very easy, 629 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: and so what this basically ballot initiative did was it 630 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: made it very hard on our harder. It's like a 631 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: two thirds and then there has to be a public 632 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: input and you know that got voted. I think it's 633 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: like that it passed. Like that's awesome that people came 634 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and we're like, hey, we like 635 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: our state lands, you know, and like if you're gonna 636 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: divest them, okay, maybe that one should be, but we 637 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: want to be part of that process. And so that 638 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: was super cool. Um and did that with a bunch 639 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: of partners, you know up there. I think we moved 640 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: down to Georgia and I think this is really cool. 641 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: It's rad Now in Montana doesn't translate because we don't 642 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: have a sales tax um, but down there and I 643 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: hope this is something that and I'll start to permeate 644 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: in other states. But basically you have a sales tax 645 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: on outdoor goods there. Instead of that just going in 646 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: the general fund, now it'll go back to conservation and 647 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: access and I think it's up to like eighty percent 648 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: or something like that, which is so cool that that 649 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: means then the users are then paying for the thing. 650 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, this is like the backpack tax that we 651 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: all kind of talked about at a federal level, but 652 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: this is happening at a state level. It's not new 653 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: taxes and utilizing existing taxes to pay for the stuff 654 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: that we all care about, which is you know, most 655 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: of our system of funding. I mean Pivin Robertson was 656 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: originally back in you know, the nineties when it was 657 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: put out, there was, as they sing, tax that they 658 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: torn over, so there was never any new back to 659 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, the nearly hundred years of that tax, which 660 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: has been very successful. It's never been anything other than no, 661 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: and it's done. Look at the things that it's done, 662 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, like the leverage that we've been able to 663 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: accomplish with that, like a billion dollars a year, right, Um, 664 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: So that want was superside and it also passed by 665 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Like do you feel like that's a that'll be like 666 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: a breeding you know, that'll be a litmus test for 667 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: for that idea, absolutely, I think. And and the idea 668 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: that it passed, you know, ad plus like both of 669 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: those passed over eighty um. The Georgia Wildlife Federation down there, 670 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, they've been working on this issue 671 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: for a long time. Our chapter in the Southeast is 672 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: new and it was something that they were able to 673 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: grab onto. You know, the one thing we can do 674 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: is the five one C three is we can support 675 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: ballot initiatives or measures, I guess, whatever way you want 676 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: to say it. Um. And so that was one that 677 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: we totally build into, which I think was pretty cool. Yeah, 678 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: there's there's a bunch of those. We were working on 679 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: a piece for the the meteror dot com right now 680 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: that'll be out soon, probably be out by the time 681 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: this gets on the line. But um, about ballot initiatores 682 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: because that's an interesting one. You I think people get 683 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: caught up in the popularity contest of of guy one 684 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: versus guy to or get you know however that works. Um, 685 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: but these balance is just kind of get swept under 686 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: the rug unless it's some connected to some other value 687 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: related like it's you know, connected to marijuana or connector 688 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: something that has a little bit of a spin up 689 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: in the media cycle. But for sports and these are 690 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you played really well, Like like both of 691 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: those played really well. And I think besides the sports's community, 692 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: I think that was like the outdoor community really supported that, 693 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: and so I was just gonna say, like the Georgia 694 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: Wildife Federation have been around for a long time, you know, 695 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: and like they've been working on this, and then a 696 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: coldition that included us and others were able to come 697 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: in and we provide some muscle to get that thing 698 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: over the finish line, which is super sweet. Um. And 699 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: then the last one, and I guess I'll talk about 700 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: one more after this. It's a local one, but it 701 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: was in Colorado and basically, um, this was this was 702 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: one that was defeated, which thankfully, but that was going 703 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: to uh pay landowners for um changes in like wildlife 704 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: management that potentially could be harmful to their business or 705 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: to their property. Um. And so then we the taxpayers 706 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: are gonna be paying them for having wildlife like let's 707 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: let's say on their property. And that to me is 708 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: like so backwards, Like if you're gonna live in these 709 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: wild places, then one of those requirements is like you're 710 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: you're in you know, you're part of that whole ecosystem. 711 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: We have a social contract here, societal contract. You can 712 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: own that ground that's our wildlife, still you know you're 713 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: holding it in trust for us, so don't mess it up, man. Absolutely, 714 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: So that got defeated, UM thankfully, and it got defeated 715 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: like by seventy percent. So the amounts of a huge 716 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: number as well. So I think again like just using 717 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: those three as like bell weathers, like people are paying 718 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: attention to these issues, and two were passed overwhelmingly and 719 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: one was defeated over whelmingly. That we're right in our 720 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: wheelhouse as conservationists and as public landowners. So to me, UM, 721 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: that's a good sign of things. One back home, we've 722 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: done a UM open space bond. You know, for like 723 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: last two decades, we've had money to provide open space. 724 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: So that's for recreation, that's for viewsha, that's for clean 725 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: air and clean water, for wildlife habitab. And so this 726 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: year it was on the ballot again, uh, fifteen million 727 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: dollars I think from Assoula UM with another one that 728 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: was like half million dollars for maintenance. And both of 729 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: those passed overwhelmingly. Like it's one of those ones when 730 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: like one percent is in and they call it and 731 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, wait a minute, there's still ago, So 732 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna how's that happen? But there's that's they had 733 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: indications and exit points that whatever they could call it. 734 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: And so that's called early and um, I'm pretty excited 735 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: about that. It's for my backyard, Missoula. Um. And they're 736 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: going to concentrate on the kind of river corridor, the 737 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: Clark Fork, so in town, but also you know east 738 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: and west of town too, So I'm excited about that. 739 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: Would you grade like around this bellot and issues? How 740 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: would you grade hunters of anglers? Are the sports this community? 741 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: How do you want to call it? How would you 742 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: grade our ability to you know, see those things that 743 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: address them, like in the right way possible, Like if 744 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: you're looking at the whole of the election, the whole 745 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: of the ballot initiatives and the entire picture, I hate 746 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: to we need to do better. I think we need 747 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: to do better. I think in Georgia. What I mean, 748 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: I think I mean the places I think in Georgia, 749 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: um and in Connecticut, and I know those much better 750 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: than they than one called RIGHTO. I think I give 751 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: those like B pluses. Yeah, um, but I think in 752 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: general we could be doing a much better job. Yeah, 753 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: what what areas specifically? Because I know it's hard, it's well, 754 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: it is. But I think it's also you're getting to something. 755 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Is is that I think you know, we're talking about 756 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: the responsibility at b h A, and I think we 757 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: take it very seriously and trying to inform our people, right, 758 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: and so that's why we did those Canada forums and 759 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: don't excuse me, cand of questionnaires and so I wish 760 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: the sportsman's community as a whole we're doing more of 761 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: that and we're not. You really aren't, you know, And 762 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: I like I could slam on the table and talk 763 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: about how cool b h A is because we're doing this, 764 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: which maybe a little bit, but we're only cool as 765 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: a community if if we're doing in that all over 766 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: the place and with multiple organizations and so that you 767 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: have multiple you know, piece of information to look at 768 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: as a voter before you go forward. So I yeah, 769 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: see is being nice? Yeah now because we you know, 770 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: as we looked at the election specifically Ranella and I 771 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: looked at it, but this company here, you know, it's like, okay, 772 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: we know the issues and it would be super easy 773 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: if there was a politician out there or a party 774 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: out there that picked them all up. Um, because we 775 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: really looked at public lands and access we kind of 776 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: lump those two things together, which you could separate him, 777 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: but we we lumped together for efficiency probably habitat and 778 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: really around habitat. I always like I've become really like 779 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: the peoples, like, what do you know, what's your main 780 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: goal when hunting? I kind of think right now, my 781 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: main goal is to as healthy ecosystems. Like if if 782 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: you haves to had me like, what's the one thing 783 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: that what's your one main goal? I mean, like, gosh, 784 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. It's it's the health of the 785 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: overall thing. It's not you know, it's knowing that elk 786 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: aren't just you know, mountains aren't vending machine for elk. 787 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: It's knowing that like to really be to really be 788 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: a greater part of our society, we got we have 789 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: to be all about healthy ecosystems um clean air, clean matter, 790 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: and even if you're not gonna go chase that elk around, right, 791 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: those ecosystems provide that if you're in a big city 792 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: and you're drinking water and you've got clean air that 793 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: you're not you know, coughing around. It's those wild places 794 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: that pro well, it goes, it goes to land use. Yeah, 795 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: it goes to public and private land use, Like how 796 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: do private landowners, like we were just talking about there, 797 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: how do they um hinge cut or how do they 798 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: you know keep repairing corridors intact? Or how do they 799 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, leave nesting grounds and and like there's just 800 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: so many things that like just as a general person 801 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: that goes like to go outside, that's what I think. 802 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: Um So that's you know, for us, that was really 803 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: where we where we stopped at habits at We're like, 804 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, here we are you know you. The 805 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: next one is being wildlife management, but it's kind of 806 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: the same, there's the same ethos there. The fourth one 807 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: is guns. Now you can you know, there's no we 808 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: don't have any real problems around archery rights. I don't 809 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: feel like anybody trying to take our broadheads, which but 810 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: maybe you heard it here first. Yeah, they're trying to 811 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: take away mechanicals. Alright, alright, you concealed broad hits, and 812 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: so like I think, but I think guns becomes the 813 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: fourth one. And so as I look at because I 814 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: tend to think like it's nice that we started with 815 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: balance is just first, because I tend to think micro 816 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: to macro in this situation, I tend to think, like 817 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: one of the things I can do for my state 818 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: or where I live or my people, and then what, Okay, 819 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: got that taken care of. Now let's address the macro 820 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: what's what's going down on a bigger level. But so 821 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: it's like, if you were to take those four things, 822 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: am I missing anything there? If I said public lands 823 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: and access, guns, habitat, wildlife management, are we missing any 824 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: big issues? Because I think those buckets are big enough 825 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: to put anything in. Yeah, you can put anything in there. Um, 826 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: how do we you know, we talked about this before 827 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,479 Speaker 1: and this is something that comes up and gets gets 828 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: pretty prickly. But guns versus it's really kind of hey, 829 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: just put it like this, but it's kind of guns 830 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: versus the other three When you look at party to party? 831 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying that? I mean I think 832 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: there's exceptions, course, But as a general rule, yeah, I 833 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: would say, like stop and saying like there's exceptions. Not 834 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: every Republican does one thing that every demercant, but like 835 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: as party lines go in a in a in a 836 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: gross generalization, that could be dangerous, yes, And so anybody 837 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: like don't hold back, don't bend that or me, because 838 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: there's definitely that's a gross granization. I get that, but 839 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: just trying to line it out like as a value 840 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: system thing for folks, that's pretty fair, um, which is unfortunately, 841 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: which is and it doesn't have to be that way, 842 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's sorry to breaking in, but I 843 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that we're trying to 844 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: do a b h A. Right. We think every politicians 845 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: to care about public LANs, public waters. Now, there may 846 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: be nuances within that and how you know things get done, um, 847 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: But if we start there, um, and then we're working 848 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: with both sides of the then we should be in 849 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: a much better place. Well. And there were some good 850 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: examples in this election cycle around. You can't get to 851 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: the table unless you're into public lands, like don't even 852 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: show up some state elections where you might as well 853 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: just not be here if you're not into public LANs, um, 854 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: which I thought was was the movement, intangible movement right there. 855 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: This is this is what happens when enough people agree 856 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: that this thing is special and this thing is important 857 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: and so um, how do we and guns have already 858 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: been that we've already we've we've crested that Mountain long 859 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: long ago around Like, we a lot of people vote 860 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: based on gun rights. Um, there's a lot of places 861 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: where you can't really get to the table unless you 862 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: unless you're a certain way around the Second Amendment. So 863 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: I guess my biggest question is if and I think 864 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 1: they're alive. I've heard from a lot of people, and 865 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: I know this is true, gun rights on one side 866 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: and public lands, access, healthy ecosystems on the other. What 867 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: do we do, like, how do we how do we 868 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: bring people to the middle, but also how do we 869 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: deal with our current situations? Yeah, you're done. I had 870 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: a guy in here earlier that basically said that. He 871 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: said he told his daughter he was like, listen, man, 872 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: he lives in Florida, and I brought up the caring 873 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: for the Everglades versus gun rights scenario, and he's just 874 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: like I kind of told my daughter like maybe this 875 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: is the time where we just don't vote. I was like, dude, 876 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: get out of here, this is not the answer and 877 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: take a walk. That's just that, that's it's not the 878 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: answer to me. I think that, you know, for me, 879 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: that's the people demanding what they want, right, It's not 880 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 1: good enough for you. To be just great on guns, 881 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: Like you gotta be good on public lane. It's gotta 882 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: be good on acces. It's gonna be good on habitat. 883 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: You gotta be you know, all those things that are 884 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: the other three. There are pretty three, pretty big buckets. 885 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: But you can do both, right, And so I think 886 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: that's that side, and I think it's the other side, 887 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, demanding that they're you know, they're better around 888 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: guns while they're good at those other things. And so 889 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: I think we the people, Um, how do you do that? 890 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: I think let's I mean, the Land of Water Controvation 891 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: Fund here in Montana has become something that you support 892 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: or you do not get elected. Now, that didn't happen 893 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. That happened over you know, a decade 894 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: probably of sportsmen including h A and others, and then 895 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: the greater conservation community demanding that. And now that is 896 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: the way it is like that, that is the line 897 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,879 Speaker 1: in the sand, right, And so I think, to me, 898 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: how that happened? That happened with a lot of accountability, 899 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, holding people when they say one thing and 900 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: do another, you know, holding them account of will. And 901 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: it's also like cheerleading and so when somebody does come 902 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: around and they start to support something that maybe they 903 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: did in the past, that you cheer lead the heck 904 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: out of that. So how does that happen? I think 905 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: that's the way you do it. Um doesn't happen overnight. 906 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: That's a long term process. But I think that's not 907 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: the part of the problem. I think with the elections 908 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: to right, that's why I would hate, you know, to 909 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: be a house member. Right, you're always running. You know, 910 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: every two years is the election, but you are always running. 911 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: Every single thing that you are doing is setting you 912 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: up for that next election. And every single thing you 913 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: do that that in the moment or even you know 914 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: till most your constituency is a good always has a negative. 915 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: You're never in a win win never, and so like 916 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: it's hard to think long term that way, Right, It's like, okay, 917 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: where's the wind that you know, like this is this 918 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: is why my people think right now, and I ought 919 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: to be responsive to that, which is good. So like 920 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: it's hard to think long term. And so that's what 921 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: as supports this community. Like what I I personally struggle 922 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: with and hope we can all achieve at some point, 923 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: which we're humans will never achieve it. But like the 924 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: stiff wind, blow in the same direction all the time 925 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: because the politicians have if there if if they're wind veins, 926 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: they got no choice. But they got no choice, but 927 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: the blow with us. I'm gonna like steal that one 928 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: from you, like man that like like a stiff wind, 929 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: there'd be a whole I might look like, um, but 930 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: it's true, you know. I mean I think if you 931 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: create enough of a grassroots kind of voice, right no 932 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: matter what the issue, and just pound on it. There's 933 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: one that I was giving an example of that. Maybe 934 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: it's a little weird, but when I was growing up, 935 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: like there was like there was no uh like none 936 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: of them, Like the kids that I grew up with 937 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: had gay parents. Yes there was divorced families, but that 938 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: was like a man and woman and there was none 939 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: of that. Gay rights weren't even talked about. This is 940 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: like when you know, this is not that long ago. 941 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: And now my daughter has a classmate who has four moms, 942 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: which means there was two moms that were together first 943 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 1: and then they got divorcing, married, you know, two other women. 944 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: My daughter doesn't. It's like somebody's hungry. Um, we're a 945 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: dog friend and Tulie's here, Tulie, we'll get your food 946 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: here a minute. Um, nobody probably here that than us. 947 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's the uh that like she doesn't even care, 948 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,439 Speaker 1: it's not even a big deal. So by the time 949 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: she's voting age that is, she was gonna be so 950 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: far and gone. I probably saw and then, but like 951 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: it's just that's just the way it is. And so 952 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: like like these things are changing, things are progressing, and 953 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: so when I think about like public lands and like 954 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: the long term viability of that, like we're having these 955 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: conversations now, and I hope it becomes like, you know, 956 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: like weird to use that nowgy, but this thing that 957 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: it's just the way it is, you know, And that's 958 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: like you are going to be supportive of these things, 959 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: and if you are not, then you are so far 960 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: out on the limb that nobody really if I started 961 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,280 Speaker 1: if this hunting podcast was expressly against public lands, I'm sorry, 962 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: but I'd be out. And if this podcast was expressly 963 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: against guns, I'd be out too. And I would want 964 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: I would want people to kick me out right, kick 965 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: me out of the boat. If I'm being that way. 966 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: Analogy Yeah, somebody's telling us it's like almost trying to 967 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: wrap this thing. Yeah, let's go, go go. She's fine. Um, 968 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: but I I think that's that's a big part of it, 969 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, is picking those topics that sticking to him. 970 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: That's that's We're just now getting to a point where 971 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: this movement for public lands, this movement for clean access 972 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: or clean water and clean land and is becoming a 973 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: big enough pool that it's it's it feels to me 974 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: like the weight of it is the same as the 975 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: weight of the Second Amendment. Like it feels like before 976 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people just voted when they're thinking about 977 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: sportsmen that are just thinking, you know, if you're if 978 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: you're an r A A plus candidate, I'm voting for you. Um, 979 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily the case now, because there is this 980 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: other very heavy thing in the room that says like 981 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: you better come to the table public lands to you, 982 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: some bitch, you know, Like yeah, So that's it's just 983 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: starting to get complicated because I think of where we are. 984 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,879 Speaker 1: So I think that's partly like the I think that's 985 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: partly the the ethos that's changing, and like partly like 986 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: the education that's starting to happen. It's also there's these 987 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: things on the outside that are happening as well, you know, 988 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: And like I think about you know, these fires, and 989 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: in California right now, we've been having catastrophic fires for 990 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: the last decade. You know. Now we've got one the 991 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,280 Speaker 1: like it's that's the deadliest one on record in California, 992 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: fifty six people. It's super, super sad. But one of 993 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: the things I'm listening to, you know, UM on the 994 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: radio on the way over here today is, um, there's 995 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: many factors that are contributing to that fire, you know, 996 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: suppression for a hundred years, building in this or you 997 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: know this like forest kind of urban interface that like 998 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: probably we have no business and a building then, you know. 999 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: And so like part of I think why these conversations 1000 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: are him the top tier is because of these pressures 1001 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: from the outside as well. They're just reality and its 1002 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: mother nature like, and that's what's happening. And we're growing, 1003 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, our population the United States, our population in 1004 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: the world that's growing all the time. We're just causing 1005 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: more stresses on our planet, and so how are we 1006 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: going to carry forward? You know? And I think those 1007 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: things are now being pushed in our face. You know, 1008 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: I think you know, uh, climate changes are pretty which 1009 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: is pretty uh um hot topic pun intended. But the 1010 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: that as it becomes more of a reality, we have 1011 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: to deal with that. Guess what We're going to deal 1012 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: with it and tell that stuff is right in our face. 1013 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: And the fires are part of that example, besides other things, 1014 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, she level rise, all these things. 1015 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: That's when her that's when we're gonna start to do 1016 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: something about it. And I don't know for a critical 1017 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,479 Speaker 1: mass there yet, but it starts to starting to feel 1018 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: I feel like it. I remember, you know, I was 1019 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: a editor of Puny magazine. This is maybe six seven 1020 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: years ago, and we wrote a piece about um, the 1021 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: most population in Minnesota, right how the changing climate was 1022 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: affecting UM a lot of things and killing a lot 1023 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: of moves the texts in particular, and and I thought, wow, 1024 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, when I read the article, I thought I 1025 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: was written by a phone named David Hart. And I 1026 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 1: read and I thought, what a great exploration of like 1027 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,319 Speaker 1: just impacts of just how what we care about and 1028 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: and and the greater effect on our world is starting 1029 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,359 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, really cozy up with each 1030 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: other here and what and I and I guess, rather foolishly, 1031 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: I thought our readership or the hunting community would embrace 1032 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: that and be like, yeah, okay, something good to think about. 1033 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: Let me do a little bit more thinking on that. 1034 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: But man, I've never seen any more hate mail coming 1035 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: to a publication around because it's been so politicized. And 1036 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: so I hope that you know, what we're talking about 1037 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: with the stiffed wind is like, yeah, let's politically let's 1038 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: let's stiff wind and with the politicize of the things 1039 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: that that really we know to be good and true. 1040 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: You know, let's line up the apple Pie public LANs 1041 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: and and and I think guns right in there, um 1042 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: like both there's another shirt apple Pie, guns, public lands, 1043 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: both of that ship. Like, I think that's it has 1044 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: to be that way though, you know, and I think 1045 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: like we are shooting ourselves, um another pun, but like 1046 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: we are shooting ourselves in the foot if we're only 1047 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,479 Speaker 1: thinking about guns, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot, 1048 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: if we're only thinking about like you know, access and 1049 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: habitat and those other things. Right now, I myself, I 1050 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: am not that worried about my guns being taken away 1051 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,359 Speaker 1: but there are threats out there and so we have 1052 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: to do both. And and to me, um, it's no 1053 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: longer you can be either side, and it's no longer 1054 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: we should demand from our politicians that they care about both. 1055 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: And if we demand that's stiff men, then we will 1056 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: get it. And if they if they don't, like, if 1057 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: they don't listen to us, guess what, they don't get elected. 1058 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,800 Speaker 1: Well that's they swing. This all the way back to 1059 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: super idealistic conversation in the beginning here where we're talking 1060 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,720 Speaker 1: about vote and that's what it means to vote, and 1061 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: it's like, that's what this means. Though you have a 1062 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: chance to be part of that changing tide or that 1063 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,879 Speaker 1: the stiff wind. Like if we all together say, hey, 1064 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: you don't get to call yourself an advocate for sportsman 1065 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: unless you have one, two, three, four things checked off 1066 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,359 Speaker 1: and don't come with that bullshit. Don't come over here 1067 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,920 Speaker 1: with that bullshit. Don't come over here with that. Like 1068 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm a sportsman, I love this. I do prove it right. 1069 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: And if if we all um can agree on those things, 1070 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: then and again, you know Ronelle and I the podcast 1071 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: you can listen to that we did right around you know, 1072 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: prior to the election, um, we thought we tried to 1073 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,240 Speaker 1: answer the question of if you had to choose between 1074 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,280 Speaker 1: guns and public lands, what would you do or guns 1075 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: and healthy ecosystems. And we're like, funk that we don't 1076 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: want to do that. If we did, we would give 1077 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: up our guns and then immediately go get them back. 1078 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: Like if you if I had to make that to today, 1079 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: I'd be like, here's your guns. But then I would 1080 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: go and start a rebellion and when you get him back. 1081 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: But I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. And 1082 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: so if there's any organizations out there, you know, I 1083 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: I love h but if if you know, if we 1084 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: get sniffs of like this isn't what's going on, we'll 1085 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: call it out. But it is what's going on. And 1086 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,240 Speaker 1: I think another thing sportsman's sportsman need to do, hunters 1087 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: need to do is sniff harder, don't don't listen to rhetoric, 1088 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: like and like, that's what I love about. That's another 1089 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: T shirt, dude, that one. Actually we are coming out 1090 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: with that one as a killer one. Here. We are 1091 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,240 Speaker 1: coming out with a pro nuance, anti bullshit t shirt. 1092 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm announcing that right now for the Hunting Collective that 1093 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,760 Speaker 1: it's got little stars on it looks like a Trump 1094 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: election shirt. But that's but that goes to that it's 1095 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 1: like look harder, fucking look harder. Absolutely absolutely, I like 1096 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: I I am probably the poster boy for having been 1097 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: in like caring about both these things a whole ship ton, 1098 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: you know when it comes to some of things that 1099 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: that are beating up against each other right down and 1100 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: it's on meat if freaking think it out. That's why 1101 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: podcasts like plug for this podcast, right, they're so important 1102 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: because they are long form conversations versus a meme or 1103 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: a headline that you see, right, which are basically the 1104 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,879 Speaker 1: same thing, you know, and like you know, the algorithms 1105 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,359 Speaker 1: or whatever, and the Russian bots that are like infiltrating us, 1106 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: like you're getting like some pretty serious propaganda pushing your 1107 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: face that is not doesn't have any depth to it, right, 1108 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: So go out listen to podcasts, go read. Like that's 1109 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: the education part that we talked about earlier too, Like 1110 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 1: it's that's vital for us to be uh an educated, 1111 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, electorate Yeah no, And I think that's spin 1112 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 1: that all up together. You know, we could talk about 1113 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,320 Speaker 1: who won, who lost, but like it's not necessary and 1114 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: I and you know, I mean, I guess I don't 1115 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: want to be jibalianish, but I think now that we 1116 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: have chambers controlled by two different parties, I think we're 1117 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 1: hopefully in a better place. Yeah, yeah, no, And again 1118 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,879 Speaker 1: like I think it goes going back to podcasts and 1119 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: and are great friend. I think we could call him 1120 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 1: friend of the program. Joe rogan um Is says it 1121 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 1: all the time, like go watch Fox News, go watch MSNBC, 1122 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: and try to find where true ideas are being exchanged 1123 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: in a way that is productive for the ideas to 1124 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: grow and find their legs, Like go find a segment. 1125 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll turn around like a news and they'll be 1126 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: like seven people and I don't host, and they're like 1127 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: they're all covering, and one of them says like three 1128 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,720 Speaker 1: sentences and somebody cristals like wait, wait, wait a minute, 1129 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: and they bouncing around like a pinball machine and there's 1130 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: really no dialogue that's going on. No, nothing's going Everybody 1131 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: just like wrote down ten things to say before um 1132 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: and that there's my talking point where com s check 1133 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: all right, and I got my man left straight, my 1134 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 1: tig out of town. Tell everybody I did a good job. 1135 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm helping your mama. So I think, yeah, I think 1136 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: listen to these longer form conversations, read um articles that 1137 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: really touched on the issues, and I and you know, 1138 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm probably guilty of this a lot, but I don't, 1139 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think having larger, broad, idealistic conversations is 1140 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,320 Speaker 1: important and okay, because we are in a spot where 1141 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 1: it's time to have some of those conversations, and I 1142 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: think people are hungry for it, you know. I mean, 1143 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's why this podcast is very popular, 1144 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: is because people are hungry for long form they want 1145 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: they want something more, you know, yeah, they do once 1146 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: that makes them think. Um, let's talk about lame Duck 1147 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: for a little bit, because I think, you know, I 1148 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: don't know how many people really understand what's really at 1149 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,320 Speaker 1: stake in this lame duck. Um so food like you 1150 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: got this wounded duck on the water, so for we're 1151 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,320 Speaker 1: trying to we're trying to make t shirts at every turn. 1152 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: So lame duck, for those who don't know about it, 1153 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: lame duck is after the time after the election, before 1154 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: the next Congress starts. So wrath of the election until 1155 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: like the first week of December. UM, I would say, like, 1156 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: what's at steak. One of the biggest things at stake 1157 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: is like the Land and Water Conservation Fund And you 1158 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 1: know it's sunset September three this year, UM. And and 1159 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: so now you're in this kind of limbo land. And 1160 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,919 Speaker 1: and I think you know, there was some momentum Mr 1161 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: Bishop and the House was able to uh hold a 1162 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: hearing and then openly get a vote out of his committee. 1163 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: And so that was a huge movement, even slowly just 1164 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: out of the committee. That's that would been a stumbling 1165 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: block for a long time. So that happened. That happened 1166 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: too late, but at least it happened. UM. The Senate 1167 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: has been um working on a bill that's with Murkowski 1168 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 1: and with Cantwell, Republican Democrat that could hardly see eyed eye, 1169 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 1: and many things put on this issue there together. And 1170 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 1: that's that word compromise. UM. And so I think we've 1171 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: got an opportunity. And you know where I think it's 1172 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: going to end up, uh, is that we'll get permittent 1173 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: real authorizations. We don't have to go to these three 1174 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: year extensions and like be worrying about that piece there 1175 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,440 Speaker 1: is talk about potentially doing some kind of full funding 1176 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: for the next three or four years um, and so 1177 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: at least we get that and then we can talk 1178 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: about you know where that funding comes from later. So 1179 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited about that, like I really am. Um. I 1180 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: think that it has a chance to happen in the 1181 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: lane duck, like absolutely, absolutely. I think the pressure is there, 1182 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we're gonna we have a 1183 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: big push coming starting that Monday after Thanksgiving that we're 1184 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,120 Speaker 1: gonna be contacting all of our members and engaging them 1185 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 1: and you know, making phone calls during that period and 1186 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: being like get it done as important because what potentially 1187 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: can happen is that it's punted. It's like Democrats don't 1188 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: want Republicans gonna win. Republicans like um, I want to 1189 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 1: stall some because they don't like the program, right, And 1190 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we don't get anything during lane duck, 1191 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 1: and then we're covered up in the next Congress US 1192 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,240 Speaker 1: with a bunch of other stuff that doesn't get the 1193 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: first and it just gets kicked down the road. And 1194 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a bad thing for LBC. Yeah, Like 1195 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,040 Speaker 1: in the LWCF, like I was always trying to like 1196 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: line up the opposition to it, because it seems, you know, 1197 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be up just to everything. But do 1198 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: you feel that the opposition to it is appropriation? It's 1199 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: not that it should exist, it's like how we spend 1200 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: the money. M I think that's part of it. I 1201 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: think there's just some people fundamentally that don't like public land, 1202 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 1: and so they don't want any new acquisitions, and so 1203 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: they're totally against new acquisitions. And I think their appropriation 1204 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: is just their excuse to stop for now. It's hard 1205 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: to it's hard to argue against lane or conservation. It 1206 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 1: is um. I think you know the piece that they want. 1207 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if this is permiere authorized and then it 1208 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,960 Speaker 1: becomes dedicated funding, which means it doesn't have to go 1209 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: through the appropriations process, then you got to find a 1210 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,920 Speaker 1: pay for us that's dollars, got to find a pay 1211 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: for So that is a problem, I mean not, it's 1212 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: not one that you can't solve, right, And that's why 1213 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 1: people are out in DC are smart and then go 1214 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: find that money. Um, and it's basically already you know 1215 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: it's there. Um. But that is a hang um, you know, 1216 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: I think. But I think when It fundamentally comes down 1217 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: to when you start hearing about oh that we want 1218 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: this to go through the appropriations process and so we 1219 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, can make sure you know where this money 1220 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: is going for and like how it's used. It got 1221 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the red harring. To me, that's just that's that's an 1222 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,440 Speaker 1: excuse that they're using. I see that a little bit 1223 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: of Like that seems like just a way to say like, hey, 1224 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't know about this thing, let's look into it further, 1225 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 1: catch it down the road or national monument things like yeah, 1226 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,840 Speaker 1: let's do a review. Yeah, but like we really know 1227 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: where you just kick it down. Yeah that's good. Um, 1228 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that there's an opportunity there. Um, 1229 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,720 Speaker 1: there's talking about an animous public Lands Bill, which basically 1230 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: omnimous means it's a bunch of different bills to come together. Um, 1231 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: which that's super exciting. Uh, you know San Juan's Wilderness 1232 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: and Colorado would hopefully be um on the docket there. 1233 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 1: We've got some stuff in Oregon, We've got some stuff 1234 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: in Washington. So there's like an opportunity to bring a 1235 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,000 Speaker 1: bunch of like bills together that deal with public lands. Now, 1236 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 1: as we've talked about the word compromise, and it's always like, 1237 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: what's the what's the worry on this? Like it's actly 1238 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: because if they're gonna, you know, if everybody's gonna get 1239 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: together and say we can pass this bill where the 1240 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: things that get taken on to that that we don't like, 1241 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 1: now the two things that we probably don't like. Um, 1242 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean sagere house is going to be a big one. Um. 1243 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: And so I think you know we're we're definitely nervous. 1244 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: And when I talk about safe house, it's like the 1245 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,440 Speaker 1: stopping of implementing the conservation plans that are already been 1246 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: decided and it's like no funding to those plans and 1247 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I basically stopping them from going forward. Happing with the 1248 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: governorship there, I don't wyoming, Uh what did happen in 1249 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the governorship? Google it? Oh there's too many of them. 1250 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: I never didn't track that. Don't live in that state. 1251 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean the Republican one. Um. I'd have to get 1252 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: back here on that one. About that one. See you 1253 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 1: stop me? That's good though, I'm not gonna not gonna 1254 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: it's now it's gonna bug me. It's gonna not that that. 1255 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:56,920 Speaker 1: You can't stop me. Another t shirt. Yeah, I like this, 1256 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna make lots of funny. So I think, uh, 1257 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, worried about that, And then I think, um, uh, 1258 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: we're worried about like clean water stuff too. Um. So, 1259 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: like when you pass bills like that and it comes 1260 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: down to compromises like can you swallow some of the 1261 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,920 Speaker 1: poison pills? And those are the ones we see right now. 1262 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 1: We couldn't swallow either one of them, and so that 1263 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,280 Speaker 1: would be really hard to say if we don't want 1264 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: that to move forward. Um, but you know there's lame 1265 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: duck will happen. There's also you know we're coming up. 1266 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: The way all that stuff is gonna move would be 1267 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: in a budget bill, which is like I think, um 1268 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 1: that like that sunsets like that. First we get December 1269 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,160 Speaker 1: and that's why that's like a huge target date. And 1270 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: so what will probably happen is we'll get another continuing resolution, 1271 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 1: which isn't bad, especially from land water Conservation phone, because 1272 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 1: it basically puts money in there that was in there 1273 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 1: before at the same level. Um. So I'm gas SIMOPLI 1274 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 1: is getting continuing resolution, but if not, like that's where 1275 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: this stuff can happen. And like the pressure especially ONCFF 1276 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,520 Speaker 1: it's there, Yeah, is there any other I know, the 1277 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: farm bill is kind of in a similar situation that 1278 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: could be that could be within that budget process as well. 1279 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's like private land stuff, so it's not 1280 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: totally in our wheelhouse, but it is a great conservation 1281 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: program or the at least there's the conservation tattle is 1282 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 1: like a major important piece of the farm bill. Um, 1283 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,760 Speaker 1: so that could definitely move within that budget you know 1284 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of process as well. But um, you know, we'll see. Yeah, 1285 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: do you guys track to c w D very much? 1286 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: A little bit? A little little bit. I mean I 1287 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: think that um, you know, that's where at the state level, 1288 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 1: and so like our chapter up in Wisconsin in particular, 1289 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: is really paying attention to what's going on. Um, it's 1290 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: obviously becoming more of an issue here in Montana. Um. 1291 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think I'd love to think try to 1292 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 1: think about it like a federal national solution, but I 1293 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,920 Speaker 1: think it's gonna have to be state by state. It's 1294 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to be. That's another good thing to say 1295 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 1: about pH And Now we had a previous podcast had 1296 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,160 Speaker 1: John Galeen and and really if you want to get 1297 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: just like a real kind of dry, bare bones breakdown 1298 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: of what the organization is. Listen to that podcast for sure. 1299 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Well it's one good thing to let's really talk about 1300 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 1: with you, um, is that there's the state level influence, 1301 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 1: uh and the state level of work that's being done 1302 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: on behalf of b J by some some people I've 1303 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: met that are just kick ass volunteers. Just the tribe 1304 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:17,640 Speaker 1: that's there. It is. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's our power. 1305 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, like I always say, we punched 1306 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 1: way above our weight. And there's two reasons. First one 1307 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,080 Speaker 1: is that we got a hell of a media shop 1308 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 1: like Kei and Kayla is I think one of the 1309 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 1: best relationships and getting our you know, she can um, 1310 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: she can provide a megaphone. But then the second piece 1311 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: of that is like all these people on the ground 1312 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: man that like you know, the reason that they can 1313 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: punch above their ways because they're going to these meetings, 1314 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, late at night, they're driving you know, hours 1315 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,560 Speaker 1: and be at these things like their their dedication cannot 1316 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: be questioned. And and the larger we grow, the more 1317 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: of those kind of folks that were attracting and so 1318 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 1: that it helps us influence things at a state level, 1319 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: and so, um, you know, whether that's like you know 1320 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: Oregon where there was a the Elliott State Force, it 1321 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: was on the chopping block, you know, was in the 1322 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: state force. It was going to be sold. Like I mean, 1323 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,800 Speaker 1: people like freaked out about that, and people on the 1324 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: ground and a lot of our leaders amongst other partners 1325 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 1: went to the state landboard and said no. And at 1326 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,080 Speaker 1: first they were gonna be three nothing you know, for it, 1327 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,680 Speaker 1: and now they were three nothing against it. And then 1328 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,600 Speaker 1: now that that state force is gonna be there for perpetuity, 1329 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: same things happened down a Walming, you know. And I 1330 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,880 Speaker 1: think that that's again I think once you empower people 1331 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,240 Speaker 1: to it's such a such a cool thing because then 1332 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: it's like this, uh then they're talking to people about 1333 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 1: how excited they are and you can feel it. And 1334 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: so you have these people that are dedicated and they 1335 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: are getting their own little kind of armies around them. 1336 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: And so as as you know, these pockets built up, 1337 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,720 Speaker 1: the success at the state level is definitely a place 1338 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,160 Speaker 1: for us to concentrate. Yeah, I mean, I think it 1339 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: is the broader political conversation to get more tiresome like you. 1340 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you draw energy from those interactions, absolutely, absolutely, 1341 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I think you know, there's a reason 1342 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 1: why Congress is slow moving is because I'm glacial. Is 1343 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,480 Speaker 1: because if things go fast out there, it might not 1344 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: be you know, like you have this huge pendulum that 1345 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: swings back and forth, you know, and if you have 1346 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: stuff that takes time, usually that's we all thought out 1347 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: and all angles have been looked at, and then hopefully 1348 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: it stands at test of time. Um. But it's frustrating, 1349 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,520 Speaker 1: it's you know, more than frustrating sometimes. But at a 1350 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: state level, I think you can influence things pretty quickly 1351 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: and the majority of time, like those things are going 1352 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: really well, and people, you know, people care about their 1353 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 1: backyard more than they do about DC, right, and while 1354 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,160 Speaker 1: DC decisions affect them in a major way in their backyard, 1355 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: when you have things that they can work on at 1356 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: a local level that they can affect that that it's 1357 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 1: empowering to them to where they think now they can 1358 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,040 Speaker 1: go do something out in d C. Yeah. Yeah, I've 1359 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 1: seen that n B H and and really other groups. 1360 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's many examples, but it's just it's 1361 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: always been striked to me that. I mean there's a 1362 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Texas chapter B h A and the place that I 1363 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 1: was going to Austin and like the week after things Giving, 1364 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,320 Speaker 1: we're going, we're having a story telling that down there 1365 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: and fills them. Yea, if I was still living there, 1366 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I'd be there. Uh, they're blowing up. They have two 1367 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,320 Speaker 1: percent public land, and those guys are absolutely like like 1368 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: once about excuses other states, Get your ship together. Texas 1369 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: is killing it, killing it. If yeah, if you're over 1370 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: there and like you're in Michigan and you're like, ah, 1371 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,720 Speaker 1: we just don't we don't know what to do with 1372 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,400 Speaker 1: public lands, get it together, Get it together, because Texas 1373 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,360 Speaker 1: is throwing parties at the Filson store. They're crushing it. 1374 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,240 Speaker 1: And it's like it's about individuals. You know. We have 1375 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: a staff or k De Lorenzo that covers our whole Southwest. 1376 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: She is absolutely fantastic, but she covers five states. Like 1377 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 1: it is the volunteers on the ground right now that 1378 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,600 Speaker 1: are driving that process. And like when I sometimes you know, 1379 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,680 Speaker 1: when I hear feedback, you know, our chapter is not 1380 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: growing very well, and like you know, like we're like, 1381 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,680 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, well, we have not really anything. 1382 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why, like you know, and like you 1383 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,880 Speaker 1: have to go out and do things. And those folks 1384 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 1: down Texas, the men and women down in Texas are 1385 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,960 Speaker 1: absolutely doers and they're crushing it. And I would say 1386 01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: that's like Jason Mike Brandon, guys are down there killing it. 1387 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think that's just an example of 1388 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: the value systems we're talking about. Men Like these guys 1389 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,240 Speaker 1: live in a in a place where I lived in 1390 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: here and it's not good like living now in Montana. 1391 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,680 Speaker 1: You wake up in the morning, You're like, it's a 1392 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 1: different feeling. Yeah, it's a real different feeling. I do 1393 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: my drive over here today. Yeah, Like there were so 1394 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,840 Speaker 1: many places that I just wanted to pull off the 1395 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,600 Speaker 1: road and just go explore for a little bit with 1396 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,519 Speaker 1: this dog, you know, and like and go see if 1397 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I could go jump on a duck or something. But 1398 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,120 Speaker 1: like all that, but I drove by not all, but 1399 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot of it was public land. Yeah, And like 1400 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,280 Speaker 1: how cool is that that I at any moment, I 1401 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,960 Speaker 1: could have been like, oh, I'm just gonna pull over 1402 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 1: and like get out of there. So, um, you are 1403 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,320 Speaker 1: living in a different place. But I also think that 1404 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,040 Speaker 1: those folks down Texas. I'm looking forward to going down 1405 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,920 Speaker 1: and talking to them more. But I've had conversations with 1406 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,600 Speaker 1: them and they almost value it more than I do. 1407 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,080 Speaker 1: You know, like this is second nature to me. I 1408 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,000 Speaker 1: just drove by all this stuff today. I'm not you know, 1409 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 1: likecent of Montana's public. Yeah, they only have supercents of 1410 01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 1: that stuff down there. It is really important. And then 1411 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,640 Speaker 1: these opportunities here where they can go explore are absolutely important. Well, 1412 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,200 Speaker 1: that's it, and that's what you know. I grew up 1413 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 1: in the East Coast, I lived in Texas, and now 1414 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,680 Speaker 1: I live here. It's it's not that, you know, it's 1415 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,639 Speaker 1: like this exclusive Western privilege. It's all of our privilege 1416 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: about and those dudes in the Texas chapter, I'm sure 1417 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: in the Pennsylvania chapter getting their trucks, I know they do. 1418 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,080 Speaker 1: And these I know they do it because I see them. 1419 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,400 Speaker 1: They get in their trucks, they put a cooler in there, 1420 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 1: they put all their gear and they fucking drive to 1421 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Colorado and they shooting elk and then they flip around 1422 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479 Speaker 1: drive back. They're one of the craziest things that I 1423 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 1: think I've witnesses over in Colorado. And they have such 1424 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,240 Speaker 1: a weird seasons like that, like those three seasons. Yeah. Um. 1425 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,840 Speaker 1: But like dudes driving around with like freezers in the 1426 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: back of their trucks, you know, and then you look 1427 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,240 Speaker 1: at the license plate and it's like Florida, Texas, you know, 1428 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: and so like they're shooting out. They have a generat 1429 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: in the back of the car, you know, and I 1430 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: put on that and they have these freezers. And the dude, 1431 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,919 Speaker 1: I've seen multiple freezers and like free like a trailer 1432 01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,400 Speaker 1: baltiple freezes. That's that's ah, that's dedication. I wonder what 1433 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: if that stuff jinxes you though, right, like if you 1434 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,840 Speaker 1: come up with like the big that's presumptive. That's what 1435 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh, you guys, you're gonna kill them all. 1436 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,200 Speaker 1: You brought a whole do you need that? Right? Yeah? Now, 1437 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: that but that's you know, that just shows that I'm 1438 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: very aware of like they're being. I know, there's this 1439 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,160 Speaker 1: like little uh internet thing now where people call other 1440 01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,080 Speaker 1: hunters like West East all the West. He's love working 1441 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,320 Speaker 1: out and going out the mounds. I'm from North Carolina, 1442 01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:34,120 Speaker 1: FU the West. He's like, no, shut up, like this 1443 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: is not this is I've lived around and and from 1444 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,400 Speaker 1: I identify as the East Coaster and this ship is awesome. 1445 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,320 Speaker 1: Well I would, I would say that. But then also 1446 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: when I think about North Carolina, they got a national 1447 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,200 Speaker 1: force there at one point one million acres, They've got 1448 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,599 Speaker 1: all that mars that's out there, Like you can get 1449 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,320 Speaker 1: after it and find these pieces of back country anywhere 1450 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 1: you are, you know, And it's just about if that's 1451 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: the kind of way thing that you want to do, 1452 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and if you don't want to do that, that's totally fine. 1453 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,120 Speaker 1: But you can find it everywhere in Maryland where there 1454 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot of it. But I grew up 1455 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 1: right by green Ridge State Forest and and there's a 1456 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: I grew up on there like that was just a 1457 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 1: place you could go and how lucky, how lucky. Um. 1458 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,559 Speaker 1: And I think that's it's not for everybody to remember. 1459 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: And like I said, it's easy. It's easy to say that. 1460 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,280 Speaker 1: It's easy to be a part of something that's trending. 1461 01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,200 Speaker 1: It's super easy. And I think you got it great, 1462 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: like you got lucky man. You have have champion an 1463 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,519 Speaker 1: idea that ought to be easy for people to get onto. Um. 1464 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,840 Speaker 1: And when I hope they when you say you that's 1465 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,719 Speaker 1: like collective vhs. You know, it's like this, this tribe, 1466 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 1: this revolution and this like these people each and every 1467 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,559 Speaker 1: day like are the ones that are um, they're heating 1468 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,720 Speaker 1: the call and they found like you find and then 1469 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 1: I found in this like this finally some shared ideology 1470 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,920 Speaker 1: that is infallible, like public lands are infallible. Come at 1471 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,439 Speaker 1: me and try to try to give me one reason 1472 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,240 Speaker 1: why they need to be taken away. And I'm I'm 1473 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,400 Speaker 1: pretty sure for the rest of my days and for 1474 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, I'll teach my son this, and you're teaching 1475 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 1: your kids this like there this is don't tread on 1476 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,719 Speaker 1: this ship like don't and I'm not, you know, I'm willing. 1477 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,479 Speaker 1: I'm an open minded person, but boy, this is pretty 1478 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: close to concrete. So I don't know if you've heard 1479 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 1: this one before, but um, my friend Corey Fisher from 1480 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 1: Trial Limited Quinness, it's like like our public lands are 1481 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,080 Speaker 1: a second second Amendment, you like, do not touch that. 1482 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,120 Speaker 1: I like that, you know, that's like I think that's 1483 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:33,360 Speaker 1: kind of what you're saying, Like this is like a 1484 01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,200 Speaker 1: land this hand issue. You know, I'm like, for me, 1485 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm pretty lucky. That's the thing that I get to 1486 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 1: do for a living. But that's the thing that you know, 1487 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,960 Speaker 1: I care most about after my family and you know, 1488 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: well we talk a lot about tribe and a lot 1489 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,680 Speaker 1: about you know, like our people. Like you say that 1490 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot, I find I say that a lot too. 1491 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,679 Speaker 1: I say it, yeah, in a lot of the same 1492 01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: ways as you say it. But like I have very 1493 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: much committed my career and like a lot of my 1494 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,360 Speaker 1: thoughts too. Our people, hunters, anglers, people that like go outside, 1495 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: like you know, you have to and that's to be like, 1496 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,880 Speaker 1: that's it's pretty am good way to live life. Well, 1497 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,680 Speaker 1: and I think you know, I'm learning every day too, 1498 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,479 Speaker 1: you know, and whether that's outdoors, you know. The young 1499 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 1: dog that's been she's now licking. Uh, she's she's hungry 1500 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,640 Speaker 1: and that's why she's growling. She doesn't get rainery at 1501 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 1: all except when it's dinner time. Um, me too. But 1502 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,639 Speaker 1: like the things that I'm getting to do and explore 1503 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 1: with her and just learn, you know, about myself and 1504 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: learn about the places that we're hunting. Um is awesome. 1505 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 1: The things that I'm learning from other people you know, 1506 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,920 Speaker 1: all across this country that are members of ours, Like, 1507 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,880 Speaker 1: like that is cool. Besides like all kind of sharing 1508 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,160 Speaker 1: that same ethos. You know, I'm like, um, the same 1509 01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: kind of global view is it's like just learning like 1510 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,880 Speaker 1: about these different places all over the country that you 1511 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,680 Speaker 1: know that make this country so cool. You know. I 1512 01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:00,880 Speaker 1: will say, like if you need any education on what 1513 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: b h A is, there's this little thing called the rendezvous. 1514 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,600 Speaker 1: And if you're wondering if this is for you and 1515 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,759 Speaker 1: you're like public lands, I don't know, and you're wondering 1516 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,240 Speaker 1: if if these are your people too, I would suggest, 1517 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: did you go to Boise? What's the dates? May one 1518 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 1: through four? May one through four, bring your bring your 1519 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,200 Speaker 1: drinking pants, bring here. There's a little bit of that 1520 01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I always bring me up because I like to take 1521 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,360 Speaker 1: But if you don't have to worry about leaving those 1522 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,360 Speaker 1: at home, but you don't, you'll be hydrated in one 1523 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,519 Speaker 1: way or the other and come and see that thing. Um. 1524 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I have has been my 1525 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 1: job for the last eleven years to go to these things. 1526 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,880 Speaker 1: And then the last couple of years I've realized, like 1527 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 1: something you you know, I've been searching for in the 1528 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,040 Speaker 1: hunting community is there at that event, like a shared 1529 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,560 Speaker 1: energy that just is I don't know how how you 1530 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: say it. Oh, then it's cool, man, It's this is fun. 1531 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,560 Speaker 1: You know. If it was just it was just like 1532 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: the traditional rendezvous where people came from all across the country, 1533 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, and just sat around like and like swap 1534 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,240 Speaker 1: stories and like and like had a big bonfire. Like 1535 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 1: that would be like just that would be flat out amazing, right, 1536 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 1: and like that's really what this event is. And then 1537 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,559 Speaker 1: you add into that like the Wild Game cook Off 1538 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,240 Speaker 1: and the Public Land's Film Fest and the storytelling that 1539 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 1: you know, like all these other things, the skills and 1540 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,439 Speaker 1: like the seminars. You know, I'm like, like all that 1541 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: even makes it even better. But just that piece that 1542 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,719 Speaker 1: you first described with like people coming from all across 1543 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,639 Speaker 1: the country and then be like, oh man, I didn't 1544 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,320 Speaker 1: know there was other people that thought like I did. Yeah, 1545 01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,599 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, like, you know, I'm sure Remy 1546 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,439 Speaker 1: that wouldn't mind that I say this. But I remember 1547 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,160 Speaker 1: last year I had to leave early and go to 1548 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 1: a family event and then talking to Remy Warren on 1549 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,320 Speaker 1: like Monday or something, and he was the one who 1550 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,400 Speaker 1: first kind of articulated like I just did, dude. I 1551 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 1: was like I was how's how's the weekend? Man? How'd 1552 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,200 Speaker 1: it go? Man? I've been looking for that for my 1553 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: whole freaking life. Ye know, I've been looking for this 1554 01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,400 Speaker 1: kind of gathering for my whole life. Man. It is awesome. 1555 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,320 Speaker 1: And the fact that guys that love that guy like 1556 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,519 Speaker 1: I do, can just go around and he's there hanging 1557 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: out all the better. And that's the thing is that 1558 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,600 Speaker 1: there's you know, there's no pretension of b h A. 1559 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's no like hierarchy of structure that's like 1560 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,560 Speaker 1: oh you can't, um, you can't be a part of 1561 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: this event or you know, like that's this group over there, 1562 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,719 Speaker 1: nobody can. Like we did the thing with Ryan Busty, 1563 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 1: our chair John Gil like all of our directors right 1564 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,920 Speaker 1: sort of like six of us up on stage, ask 1565 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,400 Speaker 1: us any question that you want to ask us, you know, 1566 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,080 Speaker 1: and so like, you know, the level of acumen of 1567 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,080 Speaker 1: our members, like the questions they were asking pretty damp high, 1568 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,680 Speaker 1: which was really cool for me to see. You're like 1569 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,360 Speaker 1: shuffle in your index cards like hold on, that's a 1570 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,880 Speaker 1: car forty six. Hold on. But like that, I think 1571 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 1: that session I had a lot of good feedback from 1572 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 1: that is that, like you know, weird open book, you know, 1573 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,960 Speaker 1: and like and again there's besides no hierarchy. It's like 1574 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,360 Speaker 1: like this is your organization, you know, and like have 1575 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,400 Speaker 1: conversations with us about like what you want to see 1576 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,439 Speaker 1: or what you don't want to see and um, and 1577 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: we can move forward and you know with all you know, 1578 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I think you know as we grow, you know, this event, 1579 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, seven five people the year before that, last 1580 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,839 Speaker 1: year it was this year, repay reaching fifteen to seventeen. 1581 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Like it's maintained that intimacy, maintaining kind of like that 1582 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,080 Speaker 1: open field that everybody matters. And you know, there's gonna 1583 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,519 Speaker 1: be people there have scraped every single penny that they 1584 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 1: can just to get there to the event, and there's 1585 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,280 Speaker 1: gonna be people there that have an opportunity, you know, 1586 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,360 Speaker 1: to spend ten dollars on something, right, but all of 1587 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,519 Speaker 1: them together they share the same ethos and I feel 1588 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 1: like a family and don't feel like there's a separation 1589 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,560 Speaker 1: of the haves and the have nots or like the 1590 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,160 Speaker 1: West East first, the East East and we're gonna use 1591 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,640 Speaker 1: those like nour the West Side story also, but uh 1592 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,200 Speaker 1: like that to me, I think is the juice and 1593 01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,599 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard to describe un this year there, 1594 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, like like like you say, like the energy, 1595 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,559 Speaker 1: but it's it's palpable. Man. Like I I freaked out 1596 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,640 Speaker 1: when I got on stage at that storytelling because I 1597 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,200 Speaker 1: just like the energy in that room, Like I just 1598 01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,680 Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. And I just have like this like 1599 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,320 Speaker 1: I was jumping all around like a crazy freaking people 1600 01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,559 Speaker 1: I had like my I had my uh Howard Dean moment, 1601 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,000 Speaker 1: remember that stream and like that was my moment. I 1602 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,599 Speaker 1: was like jumping off like crazy like all the stage. Um. 1603 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,439 Speaker 1: But it was because the energy was so rad you know, 1604 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,800 Speaker 1: like the conversations that I had, you know, from people 1605 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,400 Speaker 1: all cross the country. That map they had everybody put 1606 01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:34,680 Speaker 1: a pin, you know, kind of where they came from. 1607 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,760 Speaker 1: We had every single state covered, you know, and I 1608 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,920 Speaker 1: think all but two Canadian provinces. Like that to me 1609 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,080 Speaker 1: is it's pretty dark cool gosh. Man. Yeah, At some level, 1610 01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,640 Speaker 1: it's that's what that's what I'm after. At some some 1611 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,479 Speaker 1: strange level, like I like to hunt alone, boy, I'd 1612 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,559 Speaker 1: like to have a community around it. It's just it's 1613 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,679 Speaker 1: an awesome thing to go to do. Of course, it's fun. 1614 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,560 Speaker 1: It's fun. Man one through four. Tickets will go on 1615 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,800 Speaker 1: sale Get to Boys any day now, but it will 1616 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,679 Speaker 1: sell out. So if you're thinking about coming, make sure 1617 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,679 Speaker 1: that you get a ticket early. I would, Yeah, I'll 1618 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,000 Speaker 1: be there and it's affordable. I mean last year it 1619 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,679 Speaker 1: was a hundred and seventing fire for the whole weekend. 1620 01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,920 Speaker 1: That's like meals and drinks. When you go there and 1621 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 1: you do everything, you're you're done after a couple of 1622 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,120 Speaker 1: you are ready to go back to wherever you came from. 1623 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,080 Speaker 1: That was intense. It is. It's like it's packed and 1624 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you can't take breaks. I mean, Boys is an amazing place. 1625 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,880 Speaker 1: You know. I got the Boise River run through town. 1626 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,560 Speaker 1: It's so uh, it's such an intense weekend. Maybe we 1627 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: just have like a Sunday, like just get like a 1628 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,880 Speaker 1: sevent d bean bag chairs. I'd like to see that 1629 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,040 Speaker 1: him right, and everybody's like everybody's just like drinking water. Like. Yeah, 1630 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,760 Speaker 1: they tried to do like Archer shoot last year. They 1631 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 1: did do it Archer Shot last year. The chapter Ido 1632 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,519 Speaker 1: chapter did not very well. Attendant. Yeah, people are just 1633 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,000 Speaker 1: wearing slippers and their bathroom. It's pretty intense, but it's 1634 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean when we say intense. It's it's 1635 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,080 Speaker 1: so it's fun. It's like it's like that fm O 1636 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,360 Speaker 1: like fair missing out, Like you don't want to miss 1637 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,680 Speaker 1: any event because it's so awesome, you know. So you 1638 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,479 Speaker 1: run yourself rag a little bit, bouncing from one thing 1639 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,880 Speaker 1: to another. So take Baby, Take Back in turnally to 1640 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,240 Speaker 1: Missoula the bean bag chair idea, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1641 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,160 Speaker 1: go and pitch that the frank if people still sitting 1642 01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 1: bean bag chairs, Oh yeah, I think. I mean, I 1643 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,920 Speaker 1: think college kids. I think that's I'm old. My daughter 1644 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,760 Speaker 1: wants one right now. I'm like, you're that's good. I'm 1645 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,840 Speaker 1: feeling like this comes back to the very beginning of 1646 01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,360 Speaker 1: the podcast. It's like the it's like like this is 1647 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,280 Speaker 1: one place where you're cool, like thinking about bean bags 1648 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,160 Speaker 1: they're in. Then I was thinking in the editorial space 1649 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,720 Speaker 1: that we have in our new office, I wanted to 1650 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,360 Speaker 1: hang those beads up you know that you folks used 1651 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,040 Speaker 1: to have them like in between rooms, yeah, rather than 1652 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,479 Speaker 1: a door. Yeah, because I'd like to see if somebody 1653 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,560 Speaker 1: coming and be like hey, hey, hey, like have to 1654 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,120 Speaker 1: do this to talk to me or talk to somebody 1655 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,840 Speaker 1: in the editorial department. It's not going over well yet. 1656 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,080 Speaker 1: I haven't. I mean, I'm trying to build like a 1657 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,639 Speaker 1: kind of a style like bean bag chairs bla blah 1658 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,720 Speaker 1: blah blah. Oh yeah la babysitter to I got home 1659 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:01,880 Speaker 1: there to day and she goes like, me and your 1660 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,799 Speaker 1: kids look at the lava lamp for like twenty minutes. Awesome, 1661 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,479 Speaker 1: Like since we're watch TV and stuff like, that's their 1662 01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,080 Speaker 1: electronic that they're watching, is this lava lamp. And it 1663 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,160 Speaker 1: was so intriguing. That was twenty minutes of that twenty 1664 01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 1: minutes of just staring at the LA and that's not like, yeah, 1665 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,000 Speaker 1: other people that are starting at those. Once we actually 1666 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,560 Speaker 1: build the Mediator podcast studio, we may have to incorporate 1667 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,599 Speaker 1: Lava La Lava La. Yeah, I'll be back, dude, that'd 1668 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,920 Speaker 1: be sweet anyway. Feel free to to steal those ideas, right, 1669 01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 1: I'll go back to Frankie be like, Okay, we're gonna 1670 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,640 Speaker 1: have a lava lamp lounge with lava. I feel like 1671 01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: that'd be cool, all right, Land, Thank you for doing 1672 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,720 Speaker 1: what you do hanging out man. I always appreciate you, 1673 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 1: Ben Uh, thank you for being on the board. Thank 1674 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,280 Speaker 1: you for this opportunity on the podcast man like, yeah, 1675 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's the polly pulpit that you got, and 1676 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate the time that 1677 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,640 Speaker 1: you have for us today. Well, we're gonna keep doing it. 1678 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: It's cool, all right, thank you. That's it. That's all 1679 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,280 Speaker 1: Episode number thirty six in the books. Thank you very 1680 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,599 Speaker 1: much to Lantauni for coming to Bosan and hanging out 1681 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,919 Speaker 1: in the mediator offices and talking shop. I really appreciate 1682 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,680 Speaker 1: it as always. And so if you're unfamiliar with b H, 1683 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,320 Speaker 1: hopefully now you know what they're all about, what they 1684 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,879 Speaker 1: do for our community, and check them out and get informed, 1685 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,560 Speaker 1: and if you want to become a member, please do. 1686 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,400 Speaker 1: I am um and I believe in their mission and 1687 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,479 Speaker 1: I would say that openly always. UM and I believe 1688 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,840 Speaker 1: in public plans, and I believe in value that they 1689 01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,000 Speaker 1: bring to all of us. And uh, I'll probably be 1690 01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,599 Speaker 1: a broken record for that as long as this podcasts exists. 1691 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,120 Speaker 1: So I hope you're on board. If not, let's talk 1692 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,320 Speaker 1: it through. Uh. Really, I hope that you listen last 1693 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:51,880 Speaker 1: week to Morrigan Mason Well, our associator here at Meeting Incorporated, 1694 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,320 Speaker 1: for episode number thirty five. If you missed it, go 1695 01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,360 Speaker 1: back listen to Morgan. It was a great podcast. Next Tuesday, 1696 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,599 Speaker 1: episode number thirty seven, I'm gonna be joined by our 1697 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,200 Speaker 1: very own Jannie tell Us, and we're gonna be looking 1698 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:12,320 Speaker 1: into the ethical quandaries of our audience. So we asked 1699 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,559 Speaker 1: on Instagram for folks at beny o B three oh 1700 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,040 Speaker 1: one to give us some ethical quandaries. We've got a 1701 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,719 Speaker 1: bunch of good ones, so Yanni and I are gonna 1702 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:25,519 Speaker 1: sit down and tackle those for episode number thirty seven, 1703 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,439 Speaker 1: So be sure to stay tune next Tuesday morning, and 1704 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: until then, go to the mediator dot com, go to 1705 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,400 Speaker 1: the listen tab, hit Up, Hunting Collective, hit Up Anchored, 1706 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,400 Speaker 1: hit Up, Wired, hunt hit Up the Media podcast of 1707 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,280 Speaker 1: course with one Steve and Ronnella. And then go to 1708 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 1: the page and sign up for our newsletter to get 1709 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,839 Speaker 1: weekly updates on all of our count into your email inbox. 1710 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 1: It'll be awesome, I promise. All right. Until next time, 1711 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm We'll see you from Bosman. Want bite m h 1712 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:10,519 Speaker 1: m hm