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Speaker 2: welcome into our Sunday Night Colin Coward podcast. I'll always
Speaker 2: start this every Sunday night with about a twelve minute
Speaker 2: rant on three or four games I saw. One of
Speaker 2: our themes today is making it look easy Rock Purty
Speaker 2: Tua Jordan Love offensive coaches, didn't they make it look
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Speaker 2: your cell phone. I'm going to start with a late
Speaker 2: afternoon game. I watched the Miami Dolphins edge the LA Chargers,
Speaker 2: and I've been on this now for several years that
Speaker 2: a quarterback that has an offensive coach has a decided advantage.
Speaker 2: There were multiple situational moments in that game when Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 2: that offensive coach, dialed up wonderful, clever, smart plays for Tua,
Speaker 2: many coming on third and long. That really helps the quarterback. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley, defensive coach, supposed to be a brilliant defensive
Speaker 2: coach with good defensive personnel, has yet to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Remember that lead they lost in the playoffs to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: How many third and longs do they surrender to Tua
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley to me, appears over his head. At the
Speaker 2: end of that game, Justin Herbert twice goes back to throw.
Speaker 2: The Chargers are completely ill prepared, as Vic Fangio, which
Speaker 2: he's not prone to do as a defensive coordinator, dials
Speaker 2: up big blitzes. He doesn't do that a lot, not
Speaker 2: his style. I thought it was a great example of
Speaker 2: a really good coaching staff, Mike McDaniel and Vic Fangio
Speaker 2: completely working the Chargers staff. Brandon Staley, to me, was
Speaker 2: not viewed as the logical choice. Brian dabol was, who
Speaker 2: was friends with a GM Tom Telesco. The Spanos family
Speaker 2: took the cheaper head coach available Brandon Staley, and I
Speaker 2: think he's completely, absolutely over his skis. Go back and
Speaker 2: watch the replay of this game, multiple situational moments where
Speaker 2: really good coaching and Miami's side won the game. I
Speaker 2: feel bad for Justin Herbert, but so much to this
Speaker 2: league is where you land, what coach you get, what
Speaker 2: owner you get, and what franchise you get. The Chargers
Speaker 2: have so much talent, very few whiffs in free agency
Speaker 2: or the draft. It's a stacked roster at home favorite.
Speaker 2: But in the last two drives with each team, you
Speaker 2: saw obvious examples of superior Miami and inferior Charger coaching.
Speaker 2: Speaking of offensive coaching, Mike Tomlin, how many years is it?
Speaker 2: As the Steelers put out an embarrassing effort and get
Speaker 2: not only vanquished, get rolled at home against the Niners.
Speaker 2: So here's another example. Brock Purty, seventh rounder offensive coach.
Speaker 2: Didn't he look comfortable, played with a purpose, played with tempo?
Speaker 2: Hasn't he just gotten better and better? Canny Pickett appeared
Speaker 2: to regress more frenetic. I thought at times he was lost, panicked,
Speaker 2: and hurried with a defensive coach. The Steelers now for
Speaker 2: five years, are trying to figure out their offensive line
Speaker 2: and they can't listen. I don't think Brock Purdy is
Speaker 2: a star. I don't think he's gifted. He's more than
Speaker 2: capable and clearly coachable. But I talk about this all
Speaker 2: the time. If you look at the Niners and the Steelers' rosters,
Speaker 2: there's not that big of a gap. Obviously, Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 2: is better than the Steeler running backs, but I don't
Speaker 2: see one offensive line as staggeringly better than the other.
Speaker 2: And yet Purdy had time to throw. Purdy again played
Speaker 2: with pace and purpose. Kenny Pickett looked like a kid
Speaker 2: who needed help. And you can't tell me it's a
Speaker 2: lack of weapons for Pittsburgh. This roster for the Steelers
Speaker 2: is stacked. They look ill prepared. And this was another
Speaker 2: example where I feel a quarterback two of for the
Speaker 2: Dolphins and brock Purty for the forty nine Ers have
Speaker 2: a really really smart offensive coach that gives them an advantage,
Speaker 2: such an advantage. Those just two examples. With the young
Speaker 2: offensive coach I thought really worked the defensive coach and
Speaker 2: it becomes part of the culture. I thought Miami and
Speaker 2: San Francisco had very clever game plans, both going on
Speaker 2: the road, both San Francisco seizing opportunities. Early Dolphins doing
Speaker 2: the same late San Francisco. You know, Tony Roman was undrafted,
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner was undrafted. Brock Purty in the seventh round,
Speaker 2: Brady in the sixth. Tom Brady never had the best
Speaker 2: arm or was the best athlete. If you go in
Speaker 2: the seventh round, there's limitations. Maybe its size, maybe it's
Speaker 2: arm strength. I'm with brock Purty, it's probably both. But
Speaker 2: this offense in Miami in this offense with the San
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers. It's built for guys that get
Speaker 2: it away quickly and get it away accurately. And I
Speaker 2: got to tell you something, when you watch the Niners.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there today counting players I thought had
Speaker 2: the chance to be Hall of famers, McCaffrey, Trent Williams,
Speaker 2: Fred Warner, George Kittle. It almost feels like in the
Speaker 2: NFL there's two ways to win in Super Bowl, superstar
Speaker 2: quarterback or later round quarterback on a rookie contract. But
Speaker 2: that Niner roster. I think Pittsburgh's is good. San Francisco's
Speaker 2: is probably the best in the league. Pittsburgh's top five,
Speaker 2: but San Francisco best in the league. I want to
Speaker 2: talk about Chicago Bears hosting the Green Bay Packers once again.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love has an offensive coach, Justin Fields has a
Speaker 2: defensive coach. I thought Greg Olsen made a really good
Speaker 2: point during that game, is that for Justin Fields, running
Speaker 2: has to be a complementary part of his game. It
Speaker 2: can't be the overwhelming part of the game. And I
Speaker 2: still don't feel that Justin Fields is entirely comfortable sitting
Speaker 2: in the pocket. He tends to stare down his first receiver,
Speaker 2: and if his first receivers covered, he's off to the races.
Speaker 2: And again it can be very productive. But again, Jordan
Speaker 2: Love offensive coach, better protection, solid running game for Matt Lovefleur.
Speaker 2: I don't think Jordan Love is a special player, but
Speaker 2: I thought he looked very comfortable. He felt supported, he
Speaker 2: looked comfortable. And the theme with all these games is
Speaker 2: offensive coach against defensive coach. I got nothing against Matt Eberfluss,
Speaker 2: but you can't say now Justin Fields, he's five and
Speaker 2: twenty one as a starter, lost at home as a favorite.
Speaker 2: This was a big game for Justin Fields. I said
Speaker 2: this before the game. If Jordan Love loses, You're like, well,
Speaker 2: he's on the road. It's his first massive start, maybe
Speaker 2: a second for Justin Fields. This is year three, He's
Speaker 2: at home. He's a favorite. They got on better weapons,
Speaker 2: and I thought the Bears offense looked very disjointed. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm looking and Luke gets he's a good coordinator, but
Speaker 2: I just feel like, I feel like it's just a
Speaker 2: series of plays. There's no themed the Bears. It's just
Speaker 2: a series of plays, and many of those are Justin
Speaker 2: Field's doing something remarkable because he's an absolutely remarkable athlete.
Speaker 2: But in the end, three straight examples Miami over the Chargers,
Speaker 2: Niners over the Steelers, Packers over the Bears, young quarterbacks
Speaker 2: with offensive coaches that are growing, steady, playing with pace
Speaker 2: and tempo. Then you watch on the other side, can
Speaker 2: he Pickett Forrenetick? Justin fields at times frenetic? You know, basically,
Speaker 2: let's be honest.
Speaker 1: It's like the.
Speaker 2: Chargers could not block the Dolphins in those last couple
Speaker 2: of snaps. Ill prepared would they be with an offensive coach,
Speaker 2: offensive culture. I have my doubts. Final game, Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: and Sean Payton at home as favorites lose to the
Speaker 2: rival Raiders. I will say this. I know nobody loves
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, but he does have a quick release's accurate,
Speaker 2: He gets rid of the ball. You know, Garoppolo, There's
Speaker 2: some limitations. You know, he didn't throw the ball terrific
Speaker 2: up the sidelines, didn't have a deep ball, not super athletic,
Speaker 2: but Garoppolo again, Josh McDaniels has a system. He worked
Speaker 2: with Brady for years. Get it out, get it accurately
Speaker 2: placed and he Garoppolo does that, but I was really
Speaker 2: paying attention to Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. Now Jerry
Speaker 2: Judy was out and they're a little bit banged up,
Speaker 2: but I just this was a big game for them.
Speaker 2: You're sort of setting up the season. Denver historically is
Speaker 2: very good at home in September because of the high altitude.
Speaker 2: It's considered a big advantage out of camp. And I
Speaker 2: got to tell you, the league has so many tall, mobile, gifted,
Speaker 2: accurate quarterbacks. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't think Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson is washed, but boy, he's he There's the it
Speaker 2: that he had two or three years ago in Seattle,
Speaker 2: and I just don't see a lot of it. He
Speaker 2: did move more, he was more willing to move out
Speaker 2: of the pocket, but I didn't see a ton of
Speaker 2: special He had a nice touchdown where he rolled out
Speaker 2: and hit a receiver in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, who's a really good player, but you know,
Speaker 2: he's not as accurate and decisive as a pocket thrower
Speaker 2: as Drew Brees. So he needs to give you juice
Speaker 2: on the perimeter, give you juice with his running. I
Speaker 2: didn't see a lot of it. And I also think
Speaker 2: that Peyton's personality is raw, authentic, brusque, immediate, urgent, intense
Speaker 2: Russell Russell's more polished, more optimistic, not really cynical, not
Speaker 2: really negative. You know, sometimes coaches are negative for a reason.
Speaker 2: They're trying to get to the point quickly in meetings,
Speaker 2: on the sidelines, in games, in between plays, and Sean
Speaker 2: is very passionate and very urgent and very critical. And
Speaker 2: I don't know how Russell Wilson's going to take that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how this relationship's gonna work. It works
Speaker 2: if they win games, but if this team is average
Speaker 2: and starts losing games, I can see Sean Payton and
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson really really struggling. Sean is going to tell
Speaker 2: you how he feels every minute of the day, whereas
Speaker 2: with Russell, the criticism is, you know, sometimes he's overly optimistic, polished,
Speaker 2: not authentic. You got to win those games. You win today,
Speaker 2: you move on. You lose today, you start second guessing decisions,
Speaker 2: second guessing your quarterback, second guessing play calling. I don't
Speaker 2: think it takes NFL wisdom to figure out that. I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be a turbulent relationship, a lot
Speaker 2: of rough patches, Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. Can you
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Speaker 2: Out is the podcast former NFL scout Gone Middle Cooff
Speaker 2: and I feel this way about Daniel Jones. If everything's
Speaker 2: in place, he's got time to throw. The play calling works,
Speaker 2: he didn't have to. He's not spat up again the
Speaker 2: Vikings twice, no pass rush, he's not sped up. He
Speaker 2: can work. But the Cowboys D line just engulfed and
Speaker 2: overwhelmed the Giants O line. After about that first drive.
Speaker 2: You could see the Giants in the first drive running
Speaker 2: right at the Cowboys to take away their edge, and
Speaker 2: then eventually they fall behind. You have to throw, I
Speaker 2: thought the Giants O line, though it's young, could sustain
Speaker 2: some sort of you know, pocket shield for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: The Giants were completely overwhelmed up front, and Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: is just not the kind of player that can overcome that.
Speaker 2: He just can't.
Speaker 3: It's funny, you know, you have these strong takes for
Speaker 3: six eight months of what you think is going to happen,
Speaker 3: and then week one. You know, I thought the Giants
Speaker 3: might have a similar record last year, nine or ten wins,
Speaker 3: but be much closer to the Eagles than the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: and tonight at home, the gap looked wider.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: One thought I had is that game just separated by
Speaker 3: the snap was the Cowboys. And we'll get into the
Speaker 3: Niners a little bit. Have a similarity in the sense
Speaker 3: they have a lot of high end players on defense.
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn is like a three or four million dollar
Speaker 3: a year defensive coordinator currently, and they have other guys
Speaker 3: mainly are in their prime right and they dominate at
Speaker 3: the defensive line, and they have a ton of good
Speaker 3: dbs where if you are a little off.
Speaker 1: They can really expose you.
Speaker 3: I mean, my take coming into the season, Colin, I
Speaker 3: don't know who did you pick the Eagles for the East.
Speaker 3: I picked the Cowboys, just trying to mix it up
Speaker 3: a little bit. Yeah, you know, I think it might
Speaker 3: just come down to a field goal here or a
Speaker 3: fumble here between those two teams. I think the Cowboys, now,
Speaker 3: it's hard to judge Dak. He didn't have to do anything.
Speaker 3: Their defense is has a chance to be the best
Speaker 3: in the league. And anytime that's the case, I don't
Speaker 3: care what year. If it's seventies or twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: you've got a chance to win a lot of games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't ask much a Dak tonight, and that's
Speaker 2: when he's at his best. I do want to pivot.
Speaker 2: I want I would be you know, whenever we talk,
Speaker 2: I like to talk about the Niners because you're so
Speaker 2: connected to them, and that this is the difference. Brock
Speaker 2: Purty has an offensive coach, a brilliant offensive coach, and
Speaker 2: every time I watch him, he's just a little better.
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett behind an O line under Mike Tomlin that
Speaker 2: for five years can't sustain the run game. Kenny Pickett
Speaker 2: I thought looked frenetic and panicky.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the.
Speaker 2: Difference in two young quarterbacks. I don't love either's talent.
Speaker 2: One has the ecosystem, the offensive culture. I gotta be
Speaker 2: honest on brock Purty, I don't think he's gifted, but
Speaker 2: John he delivers the ball. I mean, I think we do.
Speaker 2: I have to just come to terms with this is
Speaker 2: gonna be a this is gonna be an NFL starter
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think anytime that a guy gets drafted
Speaker 3: because of you know, late, because of limited physical skills,
Speaker 3: if he's gonna have success, it's gonna be a lot
Speaker 3: of intangible stuff, right, His intelligence with football, his drive
Speaker 3: and desire and then instincts. Right, it's hard to really quantify.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna see that him on a bench press
Speaker 3: or at a combine, but when you watch him, you
Speaker 3: kind of see it. And I think historically we've seen
Speaker 3: that in guys, you know, Tony Romo, just guys that
Speaker 3: just have a natural feel for playing football. Now, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're ever gonna be Peyton Manning or Tom
Speaker 3: Brady or Patrick Mahomes, but the kid has something special.
Speaker 3: And I also was thinking today watching Anthony richardson why
Speaker 3: you take a swing, because you've been talking about this
Speaker 3: now for a while. The hit rate on quarterbacks is hard.
Speaker 3: It's not even close to fifty to fifty. So the
Speaker 3: chance that you're gonna when you draft the Kenny Picketts,
Speaker 3: I know, max numbers look better. I'm still not a
Speaker 3: huge believer for them to hit their ceiling, which is
Speaker 3: actually lower than most of the high end guys, probably
Speaker 3: middle tier floor. Everything has to go right, and I
Speaker 3: think you saw with Kenny Pickett. The Niners, like the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: are an elite defense, so they're gonna get after your ass.
Speaker 3: But he to be good accuracy, timing, rhythm, under control.
Speaker 3: If he plays for Neetick, he's not Josh Allen. He's
Speaker 3: gonna look atrocious.
Speaker 1: I mean, what did he look like today?
Speaker 3: Bottom five quarterback beside like one drive because his physical
Speaker 3: skills are not there a lot like Mac. When Mac
Speaker 3: plays outside of it, you're like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: That's where Purdy can kind of playmake a little bit
Speaker 3: and he has it right. But because of the infrastructure
Speaker 3: that they have, the offensive play the play caller that
Speaker 3: they have in Kyle, and let's face it, they're offensive weaponry.
Speaker 3: You could argue the top four nine ers McCaffrey, Kittle
Speaker 3: and the two receivers I UK and Debo are as
Speaker 3: good of A four as any in the league.
Speaker 1: And probably the best top to bottom MOOST four.
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this. We'll get to other stuff,
Speaker 2: but I kind of led my Sunday rant with this
Speaker 2: years and years ago when I worked at another company
Speaker 2: and I was I just had left it. One of
Speaker 2: the people at that company, ESPN, had called me about
Speaker 2: a certain host and said, Hey, what do you think.
Speaker 2: We think he's really smart? And I said, well, I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know how smart Charles Barkley is. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he's pretty smart, but he's good on TV. I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know how smart Terry Branshawe is, but he's
Speaker 2: good on TV. You run a TV network, like, make
Speaker 2: sure that's the lead. Is this person good on TV?
Speaker 2: The person got a show, it didn't work very well.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Brandon Staley's smart. I always hear how
Speaker 2: smart he is. He always wins the press conference. I
Speaker 2: don't think I've seen a defense in three years. Give
Speaker 2: up more third and longs. And it's not like they
Speaker 2: have atrocious defensive personnel. They've got a BOSA, they're active.
Speaker 2: Everybody was healthy today. I thought you could see such
Speaker 2: a gap between McDaniel's clever offensive coaching, especially when they
Speaker 2: got into tough third and longs with Tua, who's not
Speaker 2: mobile justin Herbert's a big, strong, physical player. But as
Speaker 2: I watched that game, Fangio dials up a couple of
Speaker 2: late blitzeres, which he's not prone to do. Chargers are
Speaker 2: not even equipped to block it. And I look at
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley and I think, I'm sure he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2: I don't see the coaching. I always worry John. When
Speaker 2: you're side of the ball, you can't master in the
Speaker 2: first year, Dave Ball fixs Daniel Jones to some degree, right,
Speaker 2: But the defense you hire a coordinator. What are the
Speaker 2: people inside the league s and on Brandon Staley?
Speaker 3: You know, watching Tyreek Hill today, who's not just one
Speaker 3: of the best players in the NFL, he's one of
Speaker 3: the truly great players of all time. If Steph Curry's
Speaker 3: going for sixty on you, by the time he gets
Speaker 3: to forty, you throw a couple guys at him, right,
Speaker 3: throw him, have the safety cheat, do not put him
Speaker 3: in one on one situations. Honestly, today was pretty embarrassing
Speaker 3: in that situation. If He's gonna beat you short and
Speaker 3: run around guys whatever, but to continually beat you deep
Speaker 3: when he is truly I'd say him and Randy Moss
Speaker 3: are the two greatest deep receivers I've ever seen uncover unstoppable,
Speaker 3: and if you don't put another guy over there, you
Speaker 3: have no chance. And you know it's funny you bring
Speaker 3: up the intelligence. I remember when I was scouting, I
Speaker 3: was hammering a guy for low GPA, but the football
Speaker 3: coaches all said that he was actually a football genius.
Speaker 3: And it goes back to like Jason Kidd, it took
Speaker 3: him like five times to get the minimum amount of
Speaker 3: SAT scores to get into Cali. He's like the smartest
Speaker 3: basketball player ever. They're not playing school, right, they're playing football.
Speaker 3: Just like coaches Andy Reid would tell you he's not
Speaker 3: a Harvard grad, but his football intellect is really, really high.
Speaker 3: And I think I've always thought Brandon Staley talked like
Speaker 3: a guy who watched youtubes of coaches the way they
Speaker 3: were supposed to speak and listen. No one disputes like
Speaker 3: his ability on a whiteboard to tell you what you
Speaker 3: should do. But eventually, in these situations you have to
Speaker 3: call and he's the defensive play caller that today was
Speaker 3: Tyreek's gonna get his But the relentless nature of that,
Speaker 3: over and over and over. If Jalen Wattle or some
Speaker 3: of these other random guys on the team are going
Speaker 3: to beat us, we'll.
Speaker 1: Tip our hat.
Speaker 3: But we're not gonna let Steph Curry go for seventy
Speaker 3: points here once he gets to forty eight. And that's
Speaker 3: what it felt like. And I listen, I'll defend Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3: He can have his moments, but I think Justin Herbert's
Speaker 3: a stud I think he's a better player than Tua.
Speaker 3: But and I heard you talking about this, you know,
Speaker 3: on the open about you know, Tua and the play caller.
Speaker 3: I mean, he just has a huge advantage, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what made the forty nine ers kind of unique
Speaker 3: a lot of teams. If they would have lost the
Speaker 3: equivalent of Mike McDaniel, who played a big role in
Speaker 3: their scheme, influenced the offense, worked with help Debo a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, become kind of that running back,
Speaker 3: they would have been screwed.
Speaker 1: But Kyle's the play caller, right.
Speaker 3: So Mike goes on and they both kind of can
Speaker 3: thrive where you know you get Brandon Staley, It's like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing on defense? It just we've watched
Speaker 3: it now two and a half, two years plus. This
Speaker 3: opener doesn't feel like anything's changed because it can't be
Speaker 3: disputed the talent, the players they have and their ability.
Speaker 3: I mean, they should walk to twelve wins.
Speaker 2: Today, I go into a game, I met I do
Speaker 2: a blazing five. It went over five. So I've said
Speaker 2: this last year I had a winning week opening week.
Speaker 2: I couldn't recall ever having a winning week opening week.
Speaker 2: I tend to take underdogs, and today some teams like Baltimore,
Speaker 2: of course they were better. They flush them out. Tampas
Speaker 2: is more talent, Yeah, Tampa. I mean you there's a
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff. But I gotta be honest to
Speaker 2: watch the Rams not just beat Seattle, suffocate their offense
Speaker 2: and almost get four hundred yards. Seattle's one of the
Speaker 2: toughest places to play. The defense is Aaron Donald and
Speaker 2: I mean just a bunch of twenty one year olds,
Speaker 2: Like they drafted fourteen guys. They all made the team,
Speaker 2: like they just need players. That wasn't second half, that
Speaker 2: wasn't close. I mean three and out, three and out,
Speaker 2: three and out. Yeah again, offensive coach, talented quarterback, Rams
Speaker 2: veterans outside of Copper health. Is this the Rams or
Speaker 2: is it just sort of a one off that you know,
Speaker 2: they're not terribly deep, they'll get banged up. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I watched the second half that game. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this isn't competitive. This is not a competitive football game.
Speaker 2: It was almost Niners. Beating Pittsburgh. The way they did
Speaker 2: was surprising. The Rams hammering Seattle, to me, was one
Speaker 2: of the shocks of the day. How was it for you?
Speaker 3: Turn turns out Stafford's been studying that scrapbook of all
Speaker 3: the guys' names. Huh, Because here's the reality. If he
Speaker 3: is healthy, he can go to toe to toe with
Speaker 3: anyone in the league on a given game. I don't
Speaker 3: care who he's playing with because he's used to playing
Speaker 3: with inferior teams for what a decade plus in Detroit.
Speaker 3: I know they had some years where they were talented,
Speaker 3: but he played with a lot of bad teams. Every
Speaker 3: time I looked up, Stafford was clearly awesome today. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was throwing seeds all over the field. The number
Speaker 3: one thing I thought about Seattle coming into this season,
Speaker 3: and everyone just chocked them up because he has a
Speaker 3: great story, he's easy to root for, and we're all humans.
Speaker 3: When you see a game, I kind of go through
Speaker 3: the mud and then come out. And the perspective that
Speaker 3: he has. Who's not rooting for Gino Smith when you
Speaker 3: hear him talk. But in the history of the league,
Speaker 3: most guys, they might have a year like that, they
Speaker 3: usually don't go on to resurrect what rich Gannon did
Speaker 3: in Oakland is like an all time outlier situation, right, so,
Speaker 3: and most people, and I'm guilty of this too, I
Speaker 3: just chock Seattle. Oh yeah, there'll be ten ten wins.
Speaker 3: Their roster's pretty good. If Gino's just solid, Well, what
Speaker 3: if he's not not solid, what if he's bad? Right,
Speaker 3: He's three and seven in his last ten games. In
Speaker 3: a lot of those games, several against the Niners, he
Speaker 3: has not looked good. He looks overwhelmed. He's not a
Speaker 3: great athlete, so he's not gonna make plays out of nothing.
Speaker 3: And if they're not blocking for him as they did today,
Speaker 3: he's in major trouble. I mean, he was, he was atrocious.
Speaker 3: He was really bad. Staffords listen, as you said a
Speaker 3: long time ago, they tried to, you know, trade the
Speaker 3: pay cuts. He makes a lot of money, but he
Speaker 3: does make a lot of money for a reason. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, when they gave him the contract, no one
Speaker 3: thought it was that crazy. His talent when he's on
Speaker 3: and he's healthy, when mess Safford is healthy and playing well,
Speaker 3: he's a high end, Pro.
Speaker 1: Bowl level guy.
Speaker 3: I do think it's a little bit of a red
Speaker 3: flag though. What if Gino comes back to Earth and
Speaker 3: what if he's the twenty third well quarterback in the
Speaker 3: NFL this year not the fourteenth.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the Seahawks one of their tackles got hurt,
Speaker 2: so it's like, oh, now it's Gino without the pressure,
Speaker 2: with pressure and not the protection he got last year.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I mean, I think you said
Speaker 2: it best to start. We all have these storylines, we're
Speaker 2: all filling time during the baseball season, and then a
Speaker 2: Week one and you're like, oh, you know, Sean McVay
Speaker 2: is a really good coach and they actually have some
Speaker 2: pretty good offensive personnel.
Speaker 3: I do think you gotta be careful, and I'm guilty
Speaker 3: of this, just like we all are overreacting to Week
Speaker 3: one right, everyone will right off the Giants and you'll
Speaker 3: look up and they'll be fourn two the Steelers. Next
Speaker 3: week I playing the Browns. Everyone's gonna take the Browns,
Speaker 3: I'm sure because of what happened the day in both games,
Speaker 3: and it usually kind of plays itself out. Same thing
Speaker 3: with the Rams, Right, is he gonna look like that
Speaker 3: every game they played the forty nine Ers this upcoming week?
Speaker 3: Is mass Stafforc gonna look like that against that defense?
Speaker 3: Probably not, is Roku. I don't even know who this
Speaker 3: guy is making all every time I looked up, seventeen's
Speaker 3: catching the ball over the middle, making plays, Cooper cups
Speaker 3: on ir. Eventually, some of this stuff catches up to you.
Speaker 3: Unless they hit on some of these players. And actually
Speaker 3: we know they have a high end coach. Maybe they're scrappier.
Speaker 3: And if Matt Stafford can play seventeen games as a
Speaker 3: healthy player, maybe they're closer to an eight win team
Speaker 3: than a four win team. Because part of my thing
Speaker 3: was like, No's elbow will creep up. He'll get banged
Speaker 3: up because they won't be able to block. Today look
Speaker 3: pretty perfect when you looked up now historically, right, the
Speaker 3: last three or four years, Seattle hasn't exactly had Nick
Speaker 3: Boson TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt running after you. So we'll see how it.
Speaker 3: Looks this week with the forty nine ers, seven eight
Speaker 3: guys that they're going to be chasing them all game.
Speaker 2: So obviously we're all judged by certain things. In my business,
Speaker 2: it really is ratings in revenue. If you don't get them,
Speaker 2: you're off radio right. For pass rushers, I need sacks
Speaker 2: and quarterback hits. That's where you get the big money.
Speaker 2: For coaches, it's.
Speaker 1: All about wins.
Speaker 2: Nothing else matters, personalities and irrelevant quarterbacks. It's mostly about winning.
Speaker 2: But if you do have talent, people will stick with
Speaker 2: you longer and see if they can turn it around.
Speaker 2: But Justin Fields is now five and twenty one got
Speaker 2: dragged as a home favorite. Jordan Love I thought was
Speaker 2: more composed and as I watched Justin Fields today and
Speaker 2: Greg Olsen said this, like it's supposed to be running
Speaker 2: to complimentary piece to a quarterback. Even Lamar, you got
Speaker 2: to sit in the pocket and I still don't see
Speaker 2: a really truly comfortable, consistent look around the field go
Speaker 2: to a second, third read quarterback. He is incredibly dynamic.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like it's a curse. He is so
Speaker 2: dynamic athletically that it's just he can get yards every
Speaker 2: time he runs. But I mean, where are you now
Speaker 2: in Justin Fields? And again it's not like Jordan Love
Speaker 2: tore everybody up, but Jordan's got a better on line.
Speaker 2: Jordan had a better run. But I feel like it's
Speaker 2: the curse of being gifted. Cam Newton had some of
Speaker 2: this where it's like, I can run and get yards.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, by the way, until day Ball got that
Speaker 2: I can run and get yards? Where are you now
Speaker 2: in Justin Fields? Because he didn't look you know, that
Speaker 2: was an ugly.
Speaker 1: Loss at home.
Speaker 3: I had the volume on that game. And let me
Speaker 3: just say, I think Greg Olsen is the best young
Speaker 3: former player on TV right now. I mean he's he's
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 2: He really is.
Speaker 3: He's stud Listen, I going back a couple of years,
Speaker 3: I lean with guys like Justin Fields coming out in
Speaker 3: a draft, right the size, the arm strength, he did
Speaker 3: it at a high level in the playoff game. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the athleticism, the blue chip pedigree. But let's face a
Speaker 3: lot of coaches in the NFL, and listen, they don't
Speaker 3: always agree with with us to talk about it. With
Speaker 3: scouts sometimes they can you know, see don't see eyed eye,
Speaker 3: But with quarterbacks they view a lot of the intangible stuff,
Speaker 3: the processing how they see it, and that was a
Speaker 3: huge knock on him. For example, Kyle Shanahan wanted nothing
Speaker 3: to do with him. It was between Mac and Trey
Speaker 3: Lance because he didn't think he could probab.
Speaker 1: So when you watch.
Speaker 3: Today, he looks exactly to me like he did in
Speaker 3: the middle of last year. This is the same exact player.
Speaker 3: It's not there. You just kind of run around right,
Speaker 3: makes a couple of plays in the flat. Now, going
Speaker 3: into this game, I love the Packers, and I had
Speaker 3: no clue what Jordan Love was gonna look like. And
Speaker 3: I assumed justin fields wasn't gonna be great, just because
Speaker 3: I think their team is a lot better than the
Speaker 3: Bears be not very good. You know, there are lines
Speaker 3: terrible that their defense.
Speaker 2: Packers. These are all businesses. The Packers are a well
Speaker 2: run business. The Bears aren't.
Speaker 3: No exactly, But I think I said this to you
Speaker 3: last time we talked. I do think the Bears are
Speaker 3: going to be in a good position if this doesn't
Speaker 3: work out, because they won't be good. So they're gonna
Speaker 3: have eye pick and they have Carolina who's gonna have
Speaker 3: a very long year. So if sometimes you're in a
Speaker 3: position where it's like, oh, we're gonna end up and
Speaker 3: with a six pick and we had this guy that
Speaker 3: we traded up for didn't, that's not gonna be the situation.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an easy pivot. But I today was
Speaker 3: not a good day for him just in terms of
Speaker 3: the eye test. Obviously statistically it wasn't great. As an athlete,
Speaker 3: he is remarkable. I mean remarkable. He is Michael vick Lamar,
Speaker 3: but he's got a little more power. He's got like
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurt's power to him. He's a special athlete. But
Speaker 3: to be good at that position, especially what they're kind
Speaker 3: of looking for. And think of where Ryan Pol's come from.
Speaker 3: He was around Patrick Mahomes for years. He didn't draft
Speaker 3: the guy, so the clock really was on all off
Speaker 3: season when they added Dj Moore. I think he's going
Speaker 3: to be in major trouble as the season progresses because
Speaker 3: I don't think they're teams that good, and honestly, he
Speaker 3: just has some flaws that maybe a lot of the
Speaker 3: coaching staff around the league that evaluate him would say
Speaker 3: he's always had.
Speaker 2: Now, what did you make of Jordan Love's performance? Again,
Speaker 2: better protection, nice run game, mostly hit the throws that
Speaker 2: were available. I thought he was I would just say steady,
Speaker 2: and I thought he had a certain pace to him
Speaker 2: that was comfortable. That was my euro former scout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he missed a big deep ball. I
Speaker 3: think they called a PI, but he overthrew him by
Speaker 3: a time. Obviously the play floor schemed up on the
Speaker 3: throwback that I.
Speaker 1: Think was a touchdown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely has some athleticism and clearly he's not terrible.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to judge.
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna need about three or four more
Speaker 3: games to feel like, Okay, they got something there or
Speaker 3: by no means am I putting the stamp of approval
Speaker 3: on it. But today was definitely a positive. I think
Speaker 3: he inherits And this was always talked about with Trey
Speaker 3: Lance forever with the forty nine ers and why it's
Speaker 3: easy for Brock perty Now the team is pretty good,
Speaker 3: right Watson, who had eight or nine touchdowns last year,
Speaker 3: was on the sideline in street close.
Speaker 1: He'll be back right now.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens Aaron Aaron Jones had a hamstring
Speaker 3: or whatever. He's excellent. They have a good offensive line,
Speaker 3: they have a ton of highly drafted defensive players.
Speaker 1: The beef with Aaron.
Speaker 3: Rodgers like, wait, do you understand you got it pretty
Speaker 3: good here.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of good players around you.
Speaker 3: You're not playing for the Houston Texans here, And I
Speaker 3: think Jordan Love got pretty lucky in the sense that
Speaker 3: that's the team that drafted him and the way this
Speaker 3: all played out, Now, it's going to get harder, right
Speaker 3: when you start just playing The Lions are a much
Speaker 3: better team, right, and you have to look at their schedule,
Speaker 3: but the.
Speaker 1: Bears decent chance, they're one of the worst.
Speaker 3: Teams they will play all season, even though it was
Speaker 3: a road game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, finally Jets Bills. I you know, I
Speaker 2: talked to somebody, Chad Millman's are real sharp better and
Speaker 2: he said, you know, and who else did I talk to?
Speaker 2: Was Eric Mangini said, this is that Aaron Rodgers on
Speaker 2: a Monday night in New York, He's going to be
Speaker 2: dialed in. And when Aaron's dialed in, now, we've seen
Speaker 2: times when he's not dialed in for the off season
Speaker 2: he can. You know, we've seen what He's not completely committed,
Speaker 2: he's not as good, and he has aged, but I
Speaker 2: just have this feeling he's really been really laser focused.
Speaker 2: My guess is we got we have ourselves a really
Speaker 2: fun game tomorrow night. Is there any side do you
Speaker 2: like any what do you expect to see.
Speaker 3: I've come around on the Jets. Now we got to
Speaker 3: see how Beckton, if he can just stay on the field,
Speaker 3: and if he can just be a functional right tackle,
Speaker 3: because the forty nine ers have a bad right tack.
Speaker 3: You can function with a questionable right tackle right most
Speaker 3: most are not Lane Johnson. I think their formula, just
Speaker 3: big picture, is gonna be pretty simple. Elite defense, have
Speaker 3: a dominant pass rush, which they have a ton of them,
Speaker 3: Sauce takes away half the field, and then offensively lead
Speaker 3: the league in rushing or be a top two or
Speaker 3: three team, and then let Aaron have a little magic
Speaker 3: in there make some big plays. But it's not gonna
Speaker 3: be the McCarthy or even the MVP version of Aaron
Speaker 3: where they just put it all on his back, and
Speaker 3: it'd be much more of a team effort. Mainly starting
Speaker 3: on defense, where it's like, you're not gonna score many
Speaker 3: points on us.
Speaker 1: And I think that pass rush.
Speaker 3: They've drafted several guys the last couple of years high
Speaker 3: obviously Quinn Williams that was a home run from several
Speaker 3: years ago. It could be overwhelming, and just the random
Speaker 3: guys they have coming, it's gonna be a lot like
Speaker 3: some of these forty nine er teams over the years,
Speaker 3: and then you just got to hammer the run game
Speaker 3: and we'll see. I mean there's gonna be a microscope
Speaker 3: on Nate Hackett, right. I mean, he's gonna be talked
Speaker 3: about a lot every play that he calls him and
Speaker 3: Aaron does Aaron override him? Because Aaron, you know, likes
Speaker 3: being in the shotgun of four or five wy that's
Speaker 3: where he's most comfortable and historically he's had a lot
Speaker 3: of success. But I think for this team, with the
Speaker 3: way they're built, with their questions and offensive line, get
Speaker 3: him under center like Lafleur did right when he got there,
Speaker 3: and hammer the run and can the one question with Buffalo, right,
Speaker 3: which is weird because there's this cold weather, blue collar city.
Speaker 3: It hasn't really been a tough team. They've really been
Speaker 3: more of like a run and gun score a lot
Speaker 3: of points squad, right, and that hasn't translated for him,
Speaker 3: you know, in the playoffs, so it doesn't get much better, right,
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. It's gonna be a pretty powerful night.
Speaker 3: I think Aaron Rodgers MetLife the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be cool, all right week one. As of
Speaker 2: tomorrow night will be in the books. John and I
Speaker 2: will do this every Sunday night. We'll chop it up
Speaker 2: for about thirty minutes. On Sunday nights, I'll do my
Speaker 2: fifteen minute opening rant. We'll put that out early on
Speaker 2: YouTube under the volume, and then John and I will
Speaker 2: come in and usually we'll let the Sunday night game
Speaker 2: play to completion. But the Giants Cowboys was so awful
Speaker 2: at the end of the third we decided to sound.
Speaker 1: Colin, we gotta do thirty seconds. Though.
Speaker 3: On Dion Sun, who somehow after week one feels like
Speaker 3: he impressed me more in week two, he is Shadoor
Speaker 3: is beyond, He's unreal. He really is a pretty special team.
Speaker 3: He layered a couple throws in that game, and I
Speaker 3: tweeted this out. One of the things that knocks out
Speaker 3: quarterbacks from college to the pro it's not big arm.
Speaker 3: Even every guy misses some throws. It's that layer throw,
Speaker 3: the intermediate throw over a defender, which takes a lot
Speaker 3: of touch. We know he has all the physical attributes
Speaker 3: to throw bombs and throw lasers. He can layer it.
Speaker 3: Caleb can layer all the great prospects, Trevor Lawrence, He's
Speaker 3: got that. I thought we two was a pretty wold
Speaker 3: game for Shadoor Sanders against a much better defense in Nebraska.
Speaker 2: And Nebraska was getting a great pass rush early, like
Speaker 2: just you know again it was Cowboys Giants like overwhelming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know Colorado's O line. If he comes out, I
Speaker 2: would say it's Caleb Schadeur Sanders and Drake May and
Speaker 2: that's that's about as strong as a top three. And
Speaker 2: listen to the next three are probably Pennix, Riley Leonard,
Speaker 2: the kid out of Duke, maybe bon Nicks. I didn't
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny bon Nicks at Auburn didn't do
Speaker 2: a thing for me. And then he goes to Oregon
Speaker 2: and it looks like he's his arms stronger, he moves
Speaker 2: a little better.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you gotta can't you can't judge a
Speaker 2: kid on a freshman year at college.
Speaker 3: And NFL community is much higher on him at Oregon,
Speaker 3: and I think he's matured as a human. I think
Speaker 3: people are much more bullish on the players.
Speaker 2: How about I'll be honest. Quinn Ewers could not hit
Speaker 2: a deep throw his entire career. Holy shit, he against Alabama.
Speaker 2: I thought like I had to just say, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: a new it's a new kid. Like last year. He couldn't.
Speaker 2: Even early in that game, he missed on two deep throws.
Speaker 2: That's been the knock on him. He can't hit the
Speaker 2: deep throw. He hit four against Alabama. I thought quinn
Speaker 2: Ewers took his stock from falling to rising.
Speaker 3: You're more di in to the rivals dot com and
Speaker 3: maybe even the transfer portal, But you don't need to
Speaker 3: know rivals to just watch that game and go. Texas
Speaker 3: has as much, if not more talent. You have an
Speaker 3: AWF quarterback than Alabama.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's be honest about this. Is that you know
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien. Nick has run through offensive coordinators and he
Speaker 2: kept hitting. He just kept kiffing Sort and Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 2: But Bill's not. Bill's not probably the great recruiter. Bill
Speaker 2: was there to clean it up and get back to
Speaker 2: the pros. So he may not even have been an
Speaker 2: active recruiter, right, Like, no chance.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 2: Alabama, I feel like they miss Sark's creativity, like they
Speaker 2: just there wasn't a lot. I mean, they literally had
Speaker 2: a nineteen eighty eight passing game. I think they're in trouble.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think you can. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can win at the highest level in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three and be just an athlete that can't throw a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Are bad at quarterback. I don't care what your roster is.
Speaker 2: I watched Clemson and Duke. How many players does Duke
Speaker 2: have that Clemson recruits and the woodshed five max? But
Speaker 2: one team had a great quarterback and it's a difference.
Speaker 3: I had an NBA guy text me yesterday if NIL
Speaker 3: leveled the playing field in.
Speaker 1: College and I said a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I think it's the combination of the ability to
Speaker 3: transfer to the NIL, which I think has directly hurt.
Speaker 3: It just lessened the power of Ohio State Alabama because
Speaker 3: now even the other five or six teams that can
Speaker 3: easily be on their level that have more access to
Speaker 3: the money, USC Texas, Oregon. I don't really know what's
Speaker 3: going on in Miami. They've always been up into but
Speaker 3: they just kicked text A and m's ass. I just
Speaker 3: think they get a guy in the Port Florida state
Speaker 3: cutting big checks and gets you to play, and I
Speaker 3: can promise you the NFL well, those guys might not
Speaker 3: have left the program.
Speaker 1: Before, especially just sit out.
Speaker 3: So it's college football's fun right now.
Speaker 1: It's that there are a lot of teams in the mix.
Speaker 2: That's really fun, all right, Buddy John Middlecough Three and
Speaker 2: Out is the podcast former NFL scout.
Speaker 3: Good seeing you, see you Colin, Have a good night.
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