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Speaker 1: One week away. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny

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Speaker 1: Surrek joins me. Thursday, the Cardinals held their pre draft

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Speaker 1: media availability. So what did GM Monty Austin Ford and

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Speaker 1: head coach Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 2: Have to say?

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Speaker 1: What didn't they say? Can we read anything into what

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Speaker 1: was and wasn't said? Let the speculation begin. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode seven, and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 4: He's it again.

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Speaker 2: Some more Hurry magic.

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Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craig Griolu.

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Speaker 1: Seven days, Danny, seven days. There is a light at

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Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel, and it's about down time

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Speaker 1: because I'm just about ready for the NFL Draft to

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Speaker 1: be here and not have to wait those seven days

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Speaker 1: until the twenty fifth.

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Speaker 4: Speculation season is almost over, Craig homestretch.

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Speaker 1: And as our colleague Paul Calvic likes to say, and

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Speaker 1: I really hate giving Paul out of credit. But hey,

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Speaker 1: in the absence of information, that leads to speculation, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we have until the Cardinals are on the clock.

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Speaker 1: On April twenty fifth, General manager Monty Austin Ford head

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Speaker 1: coach Jonathan gannon Hill there pre draft press conference on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. Not a single draft prospect was named

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Speaker 4: Well, Dug craig.

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Speaker 1: One position group was asked about.

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Speaker 2: That was the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 1: Did we learn anything, Yeah, probably not more about the

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Speaker 1: process than anything. But it was a lot of questions

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Speaker 4: For the second time, Well, Dug craig, what are you

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Speaker 4: expecting at this point? You know that they're not going

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Speaker 4: It's all gonna be They're going to make the decision

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Speaker 4: that is best for the team, and that comes with

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Speaker 4: free agency, that comes with the draft, making sure they're

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Speaker 4: not necessarily falling in love with a player, just having

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Speaker 1: And that's easier for a general manager a head coach

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Speaker 1: off of what the fan base wants, as Moni said,

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Speaker 4: I will say, more power to you as a fan

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Speaker 4: I will put it as is, if your team does

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Speaker 4: These prospects play in person on film for years, two

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point because even those that do

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Speaker 1: Those draft analysts, they're looking at film, They're not looking

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Speaker 1: That is there a fit talent wise? Absolutely? But are

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Speaker 4: Well, let's not beat around the bush anymore. The player,

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Speaker 4: the prospect that has gained a lot of traction online

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Speaker 4: this front office, in this scouting department knows what they're doing, right,

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Speaker 4: So have a little faith. If it's not the player

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Speaker 4: a lot of moving parts to the decisions that are made.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an interesting nights on Thursday, April

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Speaker 1: Calvic will be out there on night one. Admission parking free.

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvic will be out there as well. Oh I do,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say fear. I do wonder what the response

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Speaker 4: Think about the last year straight down and then you

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Speaker 1: Mani did mention on Thursday that he has an idea

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Speaker 4: The very least you're opening the door to hear what

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Speaker 4: the offer is. Yeah, I agree. I understand the questions

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Speaker 4: wanting to trade and listening to teams, Well, of course

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Speaker 4: to move away from for so they stay.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone's in agreement, and even Moni alluded to

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Speaker 4: Before moving up, especially if you're moving up to take

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Speaker 4: No, why because it's the same thing of us saying

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Speaker 1: I think you have to have more of a desire

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Speaker 1: That would be okay. Why wouldn't any other team in

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Speaker 4: How do you know that? How do you know there's

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Speaker 4: You're saying. Jane Daniels is saying, I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: How does anybody know that? And they don't know the Vikings,

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Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. We can agree though that this

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Speaker 4: year's draft, this year's draft is really setting up the

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Speaker 4: foundation for that long term success.

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Speaker 1: I look over to my right here inside the radio

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Speaker 1: studio at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center, and

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Speaker 1: I see NFC West Division banner two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship banner two thousand and eight, NFC West Division

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Speaker 1: banner two thousand and nine, all going back five years

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Speaker 1: earlier to two thousand and four. And again, hopefully it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take five years, because in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: you really sometimes don't have five years. But that ascension

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Speaker 1: to the top and then hopefully you stay at the top,

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Speaker 1: that is what's really difficult. You mentioned the Patriots, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Now the Steelers have always kind of been, you know,

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Speaker 1: a playoff contending team. But to be among the leap

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Speaker 1: and stay there for a five, six, seven year run,

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Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's starn near impossible outside of the

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Speaker 1: Patriots and Chiefs, because to your point, can't pay everybody.

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Speaker 1: There are limitations on what you can do to keep

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Speaker 1: a roster intact and then picking which players you want

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Speaker 1: to keep. That's why the draft, going back to the

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Speaker 1: free agency versus draft, how do you build well? You

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Speaker 1: bring in young, bring in youth, and then you hope

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Speaker 1: to develop them and then pay them and then you

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Speaker 1: start to cycle all over again. But it goes back

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Speaker 1: to what's going to happen a week from Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: that is making sure you hit on most of your

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Speaker 1: draft picks.

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Speaker 4: There is a risk to every draft pick. I think

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Speaker 4: the risk feels so much greater when you have a

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Speaker 4: higher pick, somewhere like a four. If it kind of

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Speaker 4: feels maybe, oh, there's pressure you really you have so

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Speaker 4: many options, like you got to make sure you're hitting

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Speaker 4: the right one. But there's a risk with every draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Anything else stand out from either MANI or j who

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Speaker 1: sometimes just kind of felt like he was sitting there

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Speaker 1: listening to the questions. I did appreciate the shout out

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Speaker 1: though from many, as he basically named everyone within the organization.

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Speaker 1: He did mention the media thanking us for being here

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Speaker 1: part of the process.

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Speaker 2: Are we not part of the draft process?

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Speaker 4: No, crag. The draft would go on with or without us.

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Speaker 4: I hate to break it to you, MONI was naming

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Speaker 4: by name everybody in the scouting department who has had

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Speaker 4: a hand in the last year, which I do appreciate.

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Speaker 4: But and while it was a nice gesture to think

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Speaker 4: the media, yeah, sorry Craig to burst your bubble, the

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Speaker 4: draft would happen next week with or without us.

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Speaker 1: But who's gonna do all those mock drafts that MANI

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Speaker 1: now will read and figure out?

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Speaker 2: All right, there's a scenario.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think Darren would still do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Darren and Paul and everyone else.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think Paul does mock drafts. Darren does.

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Speaker 1: Paul just reads them and then puts them on posts

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Speaker 1: them and then tries to get a reaction from the

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Speaker 1: fan base. So all the trade down scenarios that are

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Speaker 1: out there, by the way, that's.

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Speaker 2: A loud conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of leaning more towards a trade out than

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Speaker 1: stick and pick, at least right now.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, do you have a gut feeling at all?

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Speaker 2: I want to hold you to it.

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Speaker 4: I got my gut is staying they're going to stay

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Speaker 4: at four.

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Speaker 2: So you have conviction, no word, Okay, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't have conviction yet, not yet, but that's what my

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Speaker 4: gut a little more than a week out from night

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Speaker 4: one is telling me.

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Speaker 2: That would be a first.

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Speaker 1: By the way, since you've been with the years and

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Speaker 1: A Cardinals and we've done the Cardinals Draft Central show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right because my first year that I was

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Speaker 4: here for the draft at least because I started like

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Speaker 4: Week four of the twenty twenty one season, was the

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Speaker 4: trade for Hollywood Browns, so there was that first round pick,

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Speaker 4: no first round pick, and then last year was the

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Speaker 4: trade for Paris Johnson Junior. And now this year, should

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Speaker 4: we plug Cardinals Draft Central how we're at it, might

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Speaker 4: as well live Drash Show with Craig Paul and myself

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Speaker 4: can stream it on the official YouTube channel. It's going

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Speaker 4: to be Friday this year, starting at three, so three

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Speaker 4: to four. It'll lead right into live coverage of the

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Speaker 4: Draft Day two rounds two and three, so it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a lot of good stuff. We're gonna have some

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Speaker 4: sit down interviews with the head coach and GM sit

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Speaker 4: down interviews with the players, we're gonna you know, I've

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Speaker 4: already had press conferences to talk about at that.

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Speaker 1: Point, potential players. You might be very busy.

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Speaker 4: Well as of now, there will be two first round Yes,

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Speaker 4: at least takes two players. Oh gosh, you say at least.

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Speaker 1: Two, I'm sorry, at least one likely too likely to

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Speaker 1: potentially three will be busy and impossibility that there's four.

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Speaker 4: What I haven't seen anything about four rum picks. That

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Speaker 4: would be crazy. But yes, our live stream AFT coverage

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Speaker 4: show Friday, three pm, Arizona time is when we will.

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Speaker 1: Begin on the Cardinals YouTube channel, websites and on x

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Speaker 1: previously Twitter. But yeah, and bird gang, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: miss any of the coverage of day two, whether you're

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Speaker 1: watching ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Or ABC or NFL network. We will be well off

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Speaker 2: the air fir to.

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Speaker 1: Four pm, so you don't miss any of it.

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Speaker 2: So we're just with the appetizer. We're the lead in.

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Speaker 1: I love a good appetizer, exactly, mazrellisticks. I'm sorry someone here,

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Speaker 1: someone between the two of us hasn't had lunch yet.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 4: You sound really nice right now.

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Speaker 1: Chicken wings, No, that's Craig. Okay, We'll let Danny go

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Speaker 1: get some food.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: On that note, we will put all it on.

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Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proudly

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals has always special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim Amindre, our associate producer Cut Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Danny Serek, I'm Craig real Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two