1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: On the right side closet light Lucky Lucky drawing in 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the zine h Clark Joe Montanna rolls right, he throws 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: it past to Only one person in the whole stand 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: could catch the fingertips of Dwight Clark. Some players coming 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: out with the right corner of my eye and just 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: it's it to catch put another log FID. Nobody here 7 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: is getting time. This is the Firepit hosted by Matt Janella. 8 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Where some might say Walter Yose is the Michael Jordan 9 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: of sports photograph fee, It's actually more accurate to say 10 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's is the Walter Yose of basketball. Yos has 11 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: been taking pictures professionally for fifty nine years. He has 12 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: shot every Super Bowl. He has over three covers of 13 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, which includes action, portrait and Swimsuit. His versatility, personality, 14 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: and talent, along with the trust and respect of his subjects, 15 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: plus his passion for sports and his craft, have earned 16 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: him a spot in the International Hall of Fame of Photography. 17 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I've done several stories on Yos through the years. I 18 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: was lucky enough to edit some of his images. I 19 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: carried cameras for him at a Super Bowl I've played 20 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: golf with him and his two home courses, mon Talk 21 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Downs on Long Island and Crandon Park on Key Biscaine. 22 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: His swing, like his iconic career, is one long exposure. 23 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Today he tells the story of chasing Tiger to recreate Peskin, 24 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: almost botching a portrait session with Jack and Arnie, arguably 25 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: the most famous image in NFL history, and he shares 26 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: several stories about a special relationship with MJ to offer 27 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: some perspective and insight into the photographer and the man 28 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: we've called upon. Neil Lifer Yos's counterparted Sports Illustrated, going 29 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: back to when they were teenagers, where Lifer has Ali 30 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: over Liston Yos has Dwight Clark over Everson Wolves. Walter 31 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: and I were fanatical about covering every big event we 32 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: could cover, and each one of us, like I say, 33 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: wanted You wanted to get to cover of the magazine, 34 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: which essentially was the gold medal. Uh. You wanted to 35 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: get the opening spread in the magazine, which was always 36 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: a big picture, and unlike I think most of the 37 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: other guys, Walter I wanted to get both every time. 38 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: The other voice you'll hear throughout is Christian Yos the 39 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,279 Speaker 1: oldest of Eva and Walter's two sons. Christian is a photographer, 40 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: a photo editor, and is currently the executive producer of 41 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: video at Discovery Golf. You know, they're always talked about 42 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: this Yos luck and I've never said that it's luck. 43 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that has grown up 44 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with sports. You know, he was a great athlete 45 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: in his own right. Um, And it's just fascinated with 46 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: the game and the movement and knowing where to be 47 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: and with the plays that are going to happen. Come 48 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: from like this life of just living sports. Um. And 49 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: I've always attested his luck to just knowledge, you know, 50 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: like that's it. I mean, has there been some luck involved, probably, 51 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: but you know, no one where to be on the field, 52 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: and no one which way a ball is. You know 53 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: a throw is going to go. Is comes from a 54 00:03:54,120 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: life of just obsessed with sports. Born in nine, Walter A. 55 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Yos Jr. Grew up in East Orange, New Jersey, the 56 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: son of a decorated jazz musician and the grandson of 57 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Nimble Fingers, a ragtime piano player, and, as Walter puts it, 58 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: the pride of Brooklyn. I'd see my father on Sunday, 59 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: and as a musician, a lot of musicians life photography, 60 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: and that was his hobby throughout his life. And he 61 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: got me interested, and we went to a New York 62 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: Giants football game in n bought season tickets, and he 63 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: bought a F four tackym or lens and the Sahi 64 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Pentax camera on the Upper West Side where all the 65 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: camera stores were back in the fifties, and he used 66 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: to go on there. I'd go in with him and 67 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, talk cameras by didn't know. So a six 68 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: game season, then at home, you know, twelve game regular season, 69 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: so a game four, I finally got the nerve to 70 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: take this hammer. You know, fans were hitting their heads 71 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: banging into it, and I said, I didn't want any 72 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: part of this. I don't like confrontation like that. And 73 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: I shot, you know, ten pictures or something. We went back. 74 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: He started where my home was, process that role of 75 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: film and held it up to the light. As my 76 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: former managing editor Terry McDonald said, my future was unlocked. 77 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: While in high school and if he wasn't playing stickball 78 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: or football in the streets, Yose attended the Germaine School 79 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: of Photography in New York and then I graduated me 80 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: starr Inch High School, and you know, late June, and 81 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: on July six, I got called from my first assignment 82 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: and was paid a hundred dollars. I mean that's a 83 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: lot of money. And they want to go to football games. Okay, 84 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: we want to go to the giant game on the sidelines. Really, 85 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: And then I get back to my friends. They're paying 86 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: to go on the sidelines and take pictures. You're like 87 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: a thief. I mean, who wouldn't want to do this. 88 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean we're all children at that point, just a 89 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: kid in a man's world. Young Yosts called Sports Illustrated 90 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: and convinced George blood Good, the magazine's deputy picture of 91 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: her at the time, to review his portfolio. Blood Good 92 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: agreed to provide Young Yos with film and processing for 93 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: select assignments. He sent me to Buffalo, like nine sixty two. 94 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: So this is when I started. It's the first plane 95 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: I ever took. Remember getting air sick on the plane. 96 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: I was a nervous wreck. And I went to Buffalo 97 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: and shot Boston versus Buffalo the American Football League. And 98 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: there was a running back on Buffalo. His name was 99 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: Albert Golden Wheels Dubini and he ran a kickoff back 100 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and five yards and I had the whole sequence. 101 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: And apparently during the meeting with the manage entitor, Andre Laguerre, 102 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: he said, who took these pictures? He says, Oh, that's 103 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: my guy, Walter Ryos, And then I was in the lineup. 104 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: Never know Golden Wheels do Benny and did it for me. 105 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Yos would ride the heels of Golden Wheels to the 106 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: arm of Johnny You. I got my first pass to 107 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: go to Baltimore in San Francisco in Baltimore game a 108 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Memorial Stadium. I guess I'm eighteen. With a minute left 109 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: in the game, United strows his past to Jimmy Yord 110 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: and he makes his bobbling catch with his pinkie down 111 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: in one frame with a back up and shoot it 112 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: and on the train like and everyone's onm me. You 113 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: get that picture, kid, I said, I don't think so, 114 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, oh, how can you miss it? Like you 115 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: get home and you develop it and it's a shark. 116 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: There's any picture I've ever taken. And that was my 117 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: first action shot. Back in the sixties, there was no 118 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: such thing as auto focus Neo Lifer remembers the ore 119 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: image and Walter did this beautiful picture just as the 120 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: ball is going in his hands. I know how hard 121 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: that is to do. If you did that once or 122 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: twice a season, that was you had a pretty good season. 123 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: It was easy to get a running back going through 124 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: the line, or getting the quarterback getting sacked, but to 125 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: get a receiver running at you or away from you, 126 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: or whichever thing and get the ball just Walter did 127 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: that all the time. Proper focus is only one of 128 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: the key ingredients to a memorable image. The picture is 129 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: sort of simple to me a good background, good life, 130 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: and then make something good happen in front of it. 131 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: Because if your background stinks, you've got a bad picture. 132 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you've edited my picture. I'm possessed with backgrounds. 133 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: To me, it starts with where am I shooting this person. 134 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: I can make the light happen, but it has to 135 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: start with that. And you think of like great photographers 136 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: use up every millimeter of the frame perfectly. And the 137 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: greatest is Jim Knockway. He never crops a picture. Every 138 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: speck in that picture is there for a reason, and 139 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: that's what a great picture gives you. As the golf 140 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: photo entered Sports Illustrated, I would try to hire Yos 141 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: to shoot the majors. He had no interest. He had 142 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: hoofted around enough courses, covering legends like Palmer, Nicholas, Player 143 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: and Watson. But then a long came, a kid named Woods. 144 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: The first time I photographed Tiger, it was two thousand. 145 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to recreate the famous Ben Hogan one iron 146 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: shot that high Peskin took. So I went out with 147 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: a speed graphic camera, four by five camera with my 148 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: assistant Tom and the chum bucket where you take peel 149 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: up the polaroids. Well, the problem with that cameras you 150 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: have to get close because it's sort of a wide angle, 151 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: normal lens. You never met Tiger. You didn't introduce yourself, 152 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: You didn't try to tell him what you were trying 153 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: to do. You didn't he didn't know who you were. No, 154 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: you didn'tmont talked to me. I can be aggressive this way, 155 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: and you know golfers hate for Tiger. Was getting too 156 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: close to him, and there's one spot they really detest 157 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: behind him. So I'm I'm around him. I don't know 158 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: what hole around maybe sixty. He's already I can see 159 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: him getting a cheat. I said to my assistant Tom, 160 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Let's go. Let's go over 161 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: on the fairway, put on your sunglasses. So as we're 162 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: standing there, and I must have been ten fifteen feet 163 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: behind him, and I could Steve Steve Williams is they're 164 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: talking like, oh ship, Steve sauncers over and he goes, 165 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: excuse me, Mike, have you ever covered of golf tournament before? 166 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: I said, oh, yes, sir, and so I continued my 167 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: relentless pursuit of Tiger with wide angle lens. Is I 168 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: was in his nostrils. I've been trying to have so 169 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: many golf tournaments. That's why I told my sister. I said, no, 170 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: time we get the shot and we get thrown out, 171 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: who gives a crap? Throw me out? I'd be happy. 172 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: Two months later, Sports Illustrated signs me to do a 173 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: cover of Tiger at Ailesworth, the one in the Adirondack chair. 174 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: So we go to Lake Windermere and put him in 175 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the Adirondack chair. And now I'm being introduced to Tiger, 176 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and I mean great admirer of obviously, I said Tiger 177 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: on Walter Yos. I said, you know, I covered you 178 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: with LaCosta. I don't know if you've noticed me, he says, 179 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: every whole bingo. But we kept became friends after the 180 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: photograph for Nike. I photographed him for Golf Digus in December, 181 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we go back twenty years and 182 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: it's really a nice relationship. Walter always seems to get 183 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: what he's looking for, creates the image he envisions, which 184 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: isn't to say there have been some hiccups. Christian Yos 185 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: explains he shows up a daily to shoot a portrait 186 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: of Jack Nicholas and Oura Palmer and I was there 187 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: and he didn't show and I was like, oh my god, 188 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: you know what am I gonna do? You know, it's 189 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: freaking Jack and Arnie and you know there's agents involved. 190 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: And I'm in mont Talk and Christian Colton he says, 191 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: where are you? I said, my mom Talk. He says, 192 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: the shoots today. I said what? So I flee out 193 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: of there. I drive down to Philly. You know, I'm 194 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: like a day late. So I get to the press 195 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: tentp and I see Jack. I find Jack. Will you 196 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: do it today? Okay? After a munch, no problem. Arnie 197 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: had just left. It was raining that day. He left 198 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: the pudding green and I said, whoever the running the 199 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: press desk? I said, you have to get me in 200 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: touch with the Arnold so I can't. I can't give 201 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: you any numbers. I said, please, this is I'll dial 202 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: is home number for you. Rings and rings and rings 203 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: and rings, and just let it hang up. He goes hello, 204 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: I said, Arnold. Hey, it's Walter Goes. I said, I'm 205 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: sorry being a day late. I said, and you possibly 206 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: do it today. Yeah, sure, I'll come over. And I 207 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: brought the two them into this hotel room impose them together. 208 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: This was special it. But with the end of the 209 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: day I walk out of here. You know, it was 210 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: at a golf course and the most famous golfers of 211 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: all time being together. And this woman goes up to 212 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: her husband because you're not gonna believe her. I just saw. 213 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: I just saw Arnie and Jack. He said, I was 214 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: stop it, and he walked out. Did you ever have 215 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the sense that between Jack and Arnie they knew what 216 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: they were doing, they knew they needed each other. That's 217 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: what makes sports great. You know, you need somebody out there. 218 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: If Jack, we're all alone out there I'm sorry. Jack 219 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: was Jack, and then Arnie the most personable, charming, charismatic 220 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: one of them, right up there with Alli of all time, 221 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: run around hat list, the cigarette, the swagger, Arnie's armies, 222 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: all the women, the men. Everyone wanted to be with Arnie. 223 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the great people I've ever met. 224 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: And you know the picture of them at the table, 225 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I took him sixty five Arnie and Jack. There's three 226 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: signed images by both of them and myself. I gave 227 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: one to Jack, gave one to Arnie, and I have one. 228 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: And the last time I went to Latrobe and went 229 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: down the staircase downstairs, that picture was on the wall. 230 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: It was like hamnt a lot, Arnie, Jack and Tiger. 231 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: That was obviously Yoss, big three in golf. But I 232 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: asked him for his three most memorable images Slam Dunk 233 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: at eight in Chicago, the Blue Dunk in eighties seven Mile, Illinois, 234 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: and January two, Dwight Clark's catch the story with the catches. 235 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: In July, I was up by sports illustrator to spend 236 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: the season with the Cowboys, So I started in Thousand Oaks, California. 237 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Every game I'm with, I'm in with the team. It's 238 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: like family. Now. I've seen all kinds of things you 239 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: would even imagine. I'm not gonna talk about in the 240 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: locker room. Give us, give us something, give us something 241 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: you saw because you're embedded with This is Tom Landry. 242 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you one thing. 243 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: This is Tom Landry Tom Lantry. Basically he said alone 244 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: on me once and we never said another word for 245 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: the entire season. You couldn't have cared less if I 246 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: was in there, but I was, and that was it. 247 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm not gonna talk to him. 248 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I posed him once on the field with the gil 249 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: Brand and the other owners. That was it. Stayed away 250 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: from you stayed away from people like Landry or Lombardi. 251 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: Stay away. So there was a player on the team 252 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: and this was like week two, and you know, you 253 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: start with a team, you stay back. You don't start 254 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: putting your camera and pay people's faces. And this guy 255 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: comes up with me, does I want to take a picture. 256 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: I want you to take a picture of me being 257 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: shot up? You know, I look around. Okay, they're testing me. 258 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: I said, why would you want me to do that? 259 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: He says, so I can give it to my son 260 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: so he never plays pro football. I still do it 261 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: on one condition, I'll give you the role of film. 262 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: So I wanted the trainer's room. You got shot up. 263 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: I shot it, and I gave him a roll of film, 264 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: and he became my best friend on the team. I'm 265 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: not mentioning any names. So we go to San Francisco 266 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: and you know, teams passing out these energy bill black 267 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: take breaks down, lack take acid. I mean everyone's taking 268 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: pr guys, give me six of those things. Almost took 269 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the field. I was so wired up my games going 270 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: for you. Well, you know, next game is the Super Bowl. 271 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: And then with what fifty eight seconds left in the game, 272 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Joe Montana rolls right lucky lucky, drawing an anzine WHI 273 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: throws it pass to only one person the whole stand 274 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: could catch the fingertips of Dwight Clark, a moment that 275 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: reversed the course for not only Dwayne Clark, but for 276 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: the forty Niners franchise and for a season long project 277 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. So I pressed Jos for more details 278 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: as to why he was ready with the short legs 279 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: sports lustrand the cover either the year before Dave Logan 280 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland making it one hand and catch on the sidelines, 281 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: and when Montana roll right, I was with a zoom, 282 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: like a zoom, I have that picture, big lenses down 283 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: and I got the fifty ready and I shoot the 284 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: sequence of the past and I dropped it and I'm 285 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: pre focused, like twelve ft so i just picked up 286 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: the camera and I see some players coming out with 287 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: the right corner of my eye and he just it's 288 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: it just to catch. It's like, that's all the same chance. 289 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: Favors were prepared, man, So you know I was thinking ahead. 290 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: You just never expected a play of that significance to happen. 291 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: But that's why you gotta be ready. And the season 292 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: is over and it's like, I mean, catch didn't exist 293 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: at that point. This was just a touchdown. And I 294 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: went into the locker room, the single saddest place I've 295 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: ever been outside a funeral of personal friends. The silence 296 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: was definite, as they say, And that was it for 297 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: the season, and the magazine ran all of John Underwood's 298 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: texting almost none of my pictures, which really pissed me off. 299 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: But that cover came out next week, which I didn't 300 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: even know I was on the road again called the catch. 301 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: So suddenly, over you know, forty years, this has become 302 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: arguably the most famous picture in Propobal history. And oddly 303 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: enough I never met Dwight Clark, but we were always 304 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: connected by a five of a second, and you know, 305 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: obviously I'm happy I took that picture. Now for more 306 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: on this memorable moment, once again we hear from Lifer 307 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: and Christian Yos the catch. I like to say, what 308 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: separates the average sports attag from the truly great ones 309 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: is there so much luck involved in sports. She got 310 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: to be in the right position. The catch happened right 311 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: in front of Walter. It could have happened that the 312 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: other corner of the end zone, and you're not in 313 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: the position. What separates the really great ones from the 314 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: ordinary photographers is when you're in the right position, you 315 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: don't miss. And Walter was clearly in the lucky seat 316 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: and he didn't miss. My favorite party in My favorite 317 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: antidote about the catch is not so much like what 318 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: went into it, what happened. My favorite part of this 319 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: at some point, like when you watch the footage, the 320 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: camera you know hands and follows Dwight Cark and that 321 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: it goes up and when you look in the background 322 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: at all the photographers and media and they're all like 323 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: looking in amazement about what's happening, and there's one guy 324 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: with a camera up to his face and it's my dad. 325 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: Jose's greatness is not just capturing an image, it's also conceptualizing. Walter, 326 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: let you go to Chicago and shoot Michael Jordan's So 327 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: they sent me to lys Illinois had a kid's camp 328 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: and his brother was there. I did some portraits of him, 329 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: and I had the idea for the Shadow of the Dunk. 330 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Did you know him at that time? No, I never meant, 331 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: but he was so charming as you can see from 332 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: t V. I mean, there is no doubt, no doubt 333 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: who the greatest, coolest, most dominating, meanest basketball player was 334 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: at all time. No one more beautiful than Michael. I'm Jesus. 335 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: So there was a huge parking lot at this school 336 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: of college or something. So I painted one section read 337 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: not me. I had someone to it in another section 338 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: blue because I wasn't sure which uniform he was gonna 339 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: show up. And if he sho showed up him the 340 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: white uniform, we would have come with a red. Then 341 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: I go out Up says you can't have a stationary 342 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: basket to create the up for shadow line and angle. 343 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I brought in a basket I called the NBA. I 344 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: called someone in Chicago. The only place I could get 345 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: an NBA basket was trucked in from St. Louis. Back 346 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: in those days. Who cared about money. So a guy 347 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: trucked in an NBA basket which you could lower and 348 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: then said it any angle so you get shadow in 349 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: the right spot. Then you have to do it as 350 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: a specific time of the day. It can't be too 351 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: early or too late. Their clouds. You've got a problem. 352 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: So Michael comes out and his red we go blue. 353 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: I go up the cherry picker. Maybe there's ten dunks 354 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: and the blue dunk came to be. You painted the 355 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: asphalt and depart from that. Did you have to repaint 356 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: it afterwards? You just hell no, I left town. I 357 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: got out of this bast like good again. As Christian 358 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: Jose explains as it relates to m J and other megastars, 359 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: timing is always a factor. Think about like my dad's 360 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: career and it you know, like there's this roller coaster 361 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: peak and think about the athletes that he had access to, 362 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, Michael Tiger, Montana, Ripken, Kobe Slater. I mean, 363 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: here's a guy who's really good at what he does 364 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: and has access to incredible athletes pre Internet age, right, 365 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: So they need the media, you know, like magazines and 366 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: newspapers and TV are important, and you know, like here's 367 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: a guy, here's a photographer who they can request. I mean, Cheater, 368 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: you name it. I mean they wanted to work with 369 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: him because they trusted him, and they know that they 370 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: needed their name. The pictures uh in these media outlets 371 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: and um kind of frtuitous timing on some of it. 372 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: The slam dunk contest in the late eighties mattered thanks 373 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: in large part the little guys like Spud Webb. Then 374 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: there's Clyde the Glide, Drexler, the Human Highlight Film, Dominique Wilkins, 375 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: and in in Chicago Michael air Jordan's was the defending champion. 376 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: Yet again, Yes, had a plan. I got the slam 377 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: dunk causes in eight seven Seattle and lit it theatrical. 378 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: That's some nice pictures, but I understood if you can't 379 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: see the player's face, the dunk doesn't matter. And guys 380 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: coming backwards and dunk. So I either asked Michael the 381 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: gummest or smartest question, since I said, you can always 382 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: get no. He's sitting there before the game, and I'm 383 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: there like a four hour before because I've strokes like 384 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: the arena. I say, Michaels Walters. He said a little cold, 385 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: I said, Michael. I explained the situation about Seattle, and 386 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: I said, well, is there anyone you could tell me 387 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: which way you're gonna take off from? He looks out 388 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: of him. He goes sure, And I said, well, how 389 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: are you gonna do that? He says, I'll put my 390 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: finger down on my knee and I'll point. I said, 391 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: you can remember this, He says, watch me, because everything 392 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: is a game. Here's the story. Wilkins finishays with a h. 393 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's needs a forty in to tie forty nine 394 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: to win creativity and imagine ation to the key rust. 395 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: He's gotta make the dunk to look over the bench finger. Okay, 396 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm moving to the right side. So it comes down 397 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: to the last two dunks. One that proceeded mine, which 398 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: looked like slammed up. So the next to last dunk, 399 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm right at the Stanton, I'm like close up like 400 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: that at the hustle blout of the super Wide. He 401 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: dunks and he lands in my lap. Last dunk, he 402 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: goes in the same spot, and I'm in the same 403 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: spot again, like my position, and he looks at me. 404 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: He goes like the and I moved over three ft 405 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: one frame. That's the slam dun Jourdan the fifty feet 406 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: of friends. This championship in the Chicago Bulls won their 407 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: first of six NBA titles. Jordan had averaged over thirty 408 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: points per game, six rebounds, five and a half assists, 409 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: and had been awarded his second of four NBA m 410 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: v P s. Again, Yos was conceptualizing it was a 411 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: bad year two. I was having a really bad year. 412 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: There were no jobs, and I was like, I've got 413 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: to get some work, man. And there was a book 414 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: of Elvis Presley shot in fifty six behind the scenes 415 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: by Albert Wertheimer. Was great photo diaries of all time. 416 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: So I flew to Chicago. I had a job in Hawaii, actually, 417 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: and on the way in I stopped in Chicago. I 418 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: just waited for the locker room to clear out. He 419 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: walked out and said, hey, Walter, what are you doing here? 420 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: I said, I've got an idea. He said, your idea 421 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: is usually mean work. As we walked out to the 422 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: edge of the stadium, we're still indoors and these guys 423 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: with Eric Gus and I pitched him on this idea 424 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: that this would be your photo album for the rest 425 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: of the life. Look, you already got the NBA, your ring, 426 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: your m v P, you got your children, you get 427 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: your family, pretty much done it already. Why don't we 428 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: document one year? I like this idea, give me a 429 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: week and I flew back and I said, what do 430 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: you think? He said, let's do it. We just shook hands. 431 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: We have no publisher, no title, and I think I 432 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: was like thirty thousand into it. Yeah. I spent a 433 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of time at the Ritz Carlton in Chicago in 434 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: the winter, flying all over the country. No one's paying anything. 435 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: And then Mark Vansil, the writer, came up into the picture. 436 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Michael introduced us one day soon, Walter, I'm gonna introduce 437 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: you someone, and we went into the black Hawks locker room. 438 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: This is Mark Vansil. He's on the book, all right. 439 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: So Mark became the writer and came up with the 440 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: fantastic Tyble rare air, and we couldn't sell the book. 441 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: We flew to San Francisco. The commons and the people 442 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: we met with were the last people on earth would 443 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: ever buy a book on an athlete. I remember we 444 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: left her like, gosh, there's a long trip for nothing. 445 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: They bought the book. So the book is published, no 446 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: one cares about it, and then Michael's father's murdered, Michael 447 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: retires there forgets on the live Ponds and Noble on 448 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: Columbus Avenue. The book went from the basement to the 449 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: front of the window, m and number one on the 450 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: New York Times Bestseller others. That's sold better than any 451 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: other prints. That book, eight hundred thousand books. So that 452 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: was that's to me, Like, you know how much music 453 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: means to me. That's like having one record that everyone knows. 454 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: I always compare it to ize I left my art 455 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Yeah, everyone knows that song. So you 456 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: can think of Tony and one song and he's got it. 457 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: How many people have one one thing that goes to 458 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: number one like that, So that's very special to me. 459 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's once said about Walter, he's fast and he's 460 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: good lifer and Christian yoes reflect on rare Air. Walter's 461 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: genius photographer was going to produce brilliant pictures if you 462 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: have access and the ability to have the time to 463 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: do it right. And obviously Michael gave Walter the time. 464 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean there were pictures and rare air. It's a 465 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: picture in the bathtub I think, with him and his 466 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: and his little kids as I remember, and I haven't 467 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: looked at rare air for a while. I mean, how 468 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: can you miss. It's incredible to think about the access 469 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: that he had during that run. I mean, here is 470 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: the the greatest team in sports, the biggest athlete on 471 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: the face of the planet, and he's got the unlimited access. 472 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: He's on the team buses, he's in he's in Michael's 473 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: hotel room, he's in the trainers room, which you know, 474 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: as we've learned, was like the inner sanctum. I mean, 475 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: nobody was allowed in there. You're gonna keep doing it 476 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: until you die, I hope. So I never want to retire. 477 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: I love taking pictures. That's what I do best. I 478 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: still there are gonna take him. Not a lot of 479 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: jobs out there right now, but I'm not done. Yeah, 480 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: what's one picture that Walter shot that you wish you 481 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: would have shot? I love to have gotten the first 482 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl cover, and uh, you know because it was 483 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: the first and I'm saying that now in two thousand 484 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: and twenty. I don't think I felt that strongly about 485 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: it that year. And of the two, I got the 486 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: second Super Bowl cover of Lombardi being carried off the field, 487 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: but Walter got the first one, and he got the 488 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: third one that Joe name is I would have liked. 489 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: I've had all three. What are you most proud of 490 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: of your dad? The thing I'm most proud of my 491 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: father is the way that he's carried himself. You know 492 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: he's always treated you know, his his big thing is 493 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: the Golden Rule, and you know he's always wanted his 494 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: reputation to procede him and I think it has. And 495 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, he treats people well, he cares about people. 496 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: He's a family guy. I mean, he loves his grandkids. 497 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's just I think, gone about 498 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: his career and his personal life in the right way. Um. 499 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: And for me, that's something I really look up to. 500 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: It's a tradition on the fire Pit. We ask our guests, 501 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite fire pit that's a happy 502 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: place point? Yeah, our pool in the summer in montok 503 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: that's the pit. That's where the good stuff goes down. Well, 504 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: that's what the kids are you know, it's hell, the grandkids, 505 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: all families there. The pool be open in July. Hi, 506 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Janella, your host of the fire Pit. 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