1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back in. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 3: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Hour number three, Monday Edition. 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: I never would have believed this where I had serious 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 3: discussions during the course of the show, just so you know. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 3: At two thirty so it basically a little over a 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: half hour from now, we are going to have in 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 3: studio former Growing Pain star now children's book author Kirk Cameron. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: And I don't want to put anybody on blast because 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: that's not the kind of thing I like to do. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to mention that producer Ali had 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: a monster crush on him when she was a teenager 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: and that she was disappointed because she forgot to dress 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: up because she finally gets to meet him. I would 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: not never draw attention to that fact. I would never 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: do it on the biggest radio show in the country 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: and draw attention to it. So, just you know, I 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: hope you all respect back to the degree to which 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: I've kept Ali's privacy by not discussing her huge teenage 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: crush on Kirk Cameron. 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: When you were in high school. Because I'm gonna change 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: the subject here a little bit. Clay when you were 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: in high school? Who is out read? Is Ali right 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: now in our New York City studio right now? She Ali. 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to turn the trying to 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: turn the corner here. Okay, Clay, who was your like 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: your you know, famous person you're Hollywood when you were 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: in high school? Who was your crush? 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: I don't remember in high school having one two or 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: maybe Jenny Garth from Yeah, I would have thought that, 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: I do. 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: I do remember it. Kelly Kapowski from Say by the 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Back that was the for me. It was Jessica Biel 35 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: Seventh Heaven, so oh yes, Jessica Bill still incredibly good looking. 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: But when I was younger, when I was like, you know, eleven, twelve, ten, whatever, 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: that those ages, it was Alyssa Milano. 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: From Who's the Boss? Who now was like a crazy 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: left wing dress up and try to like strangle Brett 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: Kavanaugh to death in the Senate chamber crazy I interview. 41 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm Worawa almost urinated on my foot during the interview, 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: just walked out there like I wasn't even there and 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: just let it rip right out there on the carpet 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: right next to me. And I I'm such a pro 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: that I kept going. She did not like my questions. However, 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: I will let you know. 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So so that is coming up. 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: I think that will be fun. 49 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: But I wanted to to mention this because we've been 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: talking about the Trump indictment and it's gonna happen in 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: Buck's New Town of Miami tomorrow. He may go down 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: like producer Ali did for the indictment that took place 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: in New York City, kind of give us a flavor 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: and a sense for what things are like down by 55 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: the courthouse. But what we told you in the first 56 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: hour is this, And I'll just make it as clear 57 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: as I could. If I were on this Miami jury 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: that is eventually seeded to hear the case against Donald Trump, 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: I would one hundred percent jury nullify these charges because 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: I think the precedent that's being set by charging Trump 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: with these violations, first time in history this has happened, 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: is completely the wrong choice for our country to make, 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: the wrong precedent for it to set. I would not 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: vote to convict on any of these charges. Having said that, 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: these charges are far more significant than the charges that 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: were brought in New York City, and there are a 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: lot of esteemed judges who are not and lawyers who 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: are not particularly assigned to either side. Right, but just 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: look at this logically. I'll give you an example. Buck 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: Jonathan Turley, who is on Fox News regularly as one 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: of their top legal analysts, Professor I believe at George 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: Washington University Law School, basically said this is a big deal, 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: and he is and has been a vociferous supporter of 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. This morning, Alan Dershowitz has a editorial in 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. Alan Dershowitz has been on this program. 76 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: He has rightfully derided all of the prosecutions and chasing 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: of Trump that has occurred, and the unconstitutional in his 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 3: opinion and my opinion, trammeling of due process and everything 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: else that has occurred. Also simultaneously, this is a serious case. Basically, 80 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: the tone of his editorial not immediately dismissed Lake New 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: York City and Bill Barr I believe we have audio 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: of him from Fox News Sunday with Shannon Bream. Think 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: whatever you will about Bill Barr, Buck, I've said it before. 84 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: If I had to be represented in a criminal case 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. I would want Bill Barr as 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: my attorney. 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: I would. I think he would do a fabulous job. 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: Here is his analysis of what he thinks. Listen. 89 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: I do think we have to wait and say what 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 4: the defense says, what proves to be true. But I 91 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 4: do think that half what Andy McCarthy said, which if 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: even half of it is true, then he's toast. I mean, 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 4: it's a very detailed indictment and it's very very damning. 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: And this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, 95 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: a victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous. Yes, he's 96 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: been a victim in the past. Yes, his adversaries have 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I've been at 98 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 4: his side defending against them when he is a victim. 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: But this is much different. He's not a victim here. 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: He was totally wrong that he had the right to 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: have those documents. 102 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: So he really laid it out. 103 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: Andy McCarthy, you had him on Friday, right to discuss 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: this before the indictment came down, I believe. But Andy 105 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 3: also super reasonable, super rational. You can simultaneously believe two things. Buck, 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: that this is an awful precedent to set and that 107 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: there should not be charges brought over these issues. And also, 108 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: and this is what I believe, that Trump was reckless 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: to allow the charges to be brought against him and 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: shouldn't have allowed this to occur. That's my opinion. Both 111 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: of those factors. 112 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: I will say some of the strongest defenses that I 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: or defenders that I have heard of Trump so far. 114 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: The people are taking a first of all presumption of 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: innocent standard, which always applies to anyone, certainly including a 116 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: leading Republican front runner for the presidency. That's real and 117 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: we are not losing sight of that. That's important. And 118 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: then also, well, we haven't heard the Trump side of this. Now, 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: to also be fair, yeah, every indictment is one sided. 120 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: The indictment never is going to say, well, this is 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: what the other guy says. That's not the point of 122 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: an indictment. We have not heard that, though we have 123 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: not had Trump's lawyers put forward their defense. Although you know, 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: you can gauge the strength of an indictment based on 125 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: the case that is made at some level without hearing 126 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: the defense. Right, it's not complete until you hear a defense. 127 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: It's not complete until there's cross examination or all these things. 128 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: But you know, the same way I can tell you 129 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: this the same people who saw the brag indictment and 130 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: all said, this is a joke. Obviously, we don't need 131 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: to hear the defense. It's a joke. Okay, well you can. 132 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: You can clearly assess the strength of charges based on 133 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: what's laid out in the charging document. In this case, 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: there are people who are saying this is far more serious. 135 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: There is more detail that is concerning here. We have 136 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: to wait and see what the Trump response to this 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: in court is going to be, and as we've been discussing, 138 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: we're not exactly sure when that will be. But dershwe here. 139 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Dershowitz also, just so everyone knows, Alan Dershowitz loves to 140 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: make a point of telling everybody this. He votes for Biden. 141 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: He is a Democrat, and he believes so much in 142 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: the rule of law and procedure as a function of 143 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: constitutional rights and the rights of the accused, that he 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: he has stood up for Trump all through Russia collusion, 145 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: all of that. I mean, I've interview him many times 146 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: in the Russia collusion thing, and he was, to his credit, 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: he was like, this is crazy. This is a you know, 148 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: absurd witch hunt. Here is what Dershowitz is saying about 149 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: this case in the situation play. 150 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 5: It the spon I Jackson is one of the most 151 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 5: dangerous and unconstitutional statutes ever passed, passed by Woodrow Wilson 152 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 5: nineteen seventeen. Every civil libertarian, every liberal, every progressive, every 153 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: Democrat I know was against this statute for the last 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 5: one hundred years. Now they're rooting for it to be 155 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 5: applied broadly conduct that has nothing to do with espionage. 156 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: There's no allegation that he. 157 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: Ever endangered national security or showed material to enemies or 158 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 5: sold it. 159 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: This is a possession statue. 160 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: Now, this is very important something that I know about 161 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: and had to deal with Clay because people are saying, oh, espionage, 162 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: you committed. 163 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: No. 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: Espionage as an act is taking secrets and giving it 165 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: to the enemy. That is the basis of what espionage is. 166 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: No one says that Trump did that. That's not even 167 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: alleged here the Espionage Act, unfortunately, and it is a 168 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: terrible law, and the national security state loves it, and 169 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: it is so bad that remember they sent and Trump 170 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: pardoned him worth noting they sent a sailor, a Navy 171 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: guy to prison for taking a photo of a submarine 172 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: that he deleted, didn't go to anyone, didn't share it 173 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: to anyone. He merely took the photo on his phone, realized, oh, 174 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: I shouldn't taken that photo, deleted it sent him to prison. 175 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: That's not committing espionage, but it falls under this overbroad 176 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: and many argue unconstitutional provisions of the Espionage Act. So 177 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: just know, Andy who says Trump committed espionage is an 178 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: idiot who can't read. But the Espionage Act contains a 179 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: lot of things that just have to do with mishandling 180 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: of classified information. So you know, if you're you're somebody 181 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: and you know, you go and you tell, let's say 182 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: somebody in the press something about uh, you know, you 183 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: think is really important, you're a whistleblower. You could be 184 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: prosecuted under the Espionage AAC even if you're talking to 185 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: an American but an issue of American national importance. You're 186 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: not giving foreign secret or given enemies to a foreign sorry, 187 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: secrets to a foreign power or an enemy. 188 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: This is also buck why we asked Ron DeSantis directly 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: on this program, will you pardon Trump if you end 190 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: up the nominee? 191 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: And so far I get to give him credit. 192 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: Vivid Ramaswami is the only person who said what I said, 193 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: which is, as a matter of principle, if you are 194 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: running for the Republican Party nomination right now, you should 195 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: one hundred percent pledge that if you are the nominee 196 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: and you take the oath of office in January of 197 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, that you will pardon Donald Trump from 198 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: all of these political charges that have been brought by 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: the Biden Department of Justice. To me, that's not a 200 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: difficult position to take it all because you're standing on principle. 201 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: You're not determining any of the facts on this case, 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: just that if we're going to break two hundred and 203 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: forty years of precedent in America, the charges have to 204 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: be beyond pale. Everybody has to agree with them. This 205 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: isn't so I can say this the the where barre. 206 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: There are the two levels here. 207 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: There's the taking of the documents and how they're handled, 208 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: and then there's the the allegation of obstruction of the 209 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: retrieval of the documents. For me, the taking of the 210 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: documents which brings in Presidential Records Act versus Espionage Act. 211 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: And these are going to be the two competing arguments. 212 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: I think I think Trump is gonna be I think 213 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: he'll be able to prevail there. I really do on 214 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: that on that issue. And just soeveryone understands how absurd 215 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 2: the Espionage Act is, Clay it is. And this is 216 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: one of these things where I say this in people. 217 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: It's like when I say Lemmings don't commit suicide and 218 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: everyone's like, yes they do. I'm like, I promise you 219 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: they don't think this one through. Lemmings do not commit 220 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: mass suicide. That's not a real thing. And we can 221 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: discuss another day that where that you know, legend comes from. 222 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: But the Espionage Act applies in such a way that 223 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: journalists have no special protection from it. There is actually 224 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: no carve out in the Espionage Act for journalists, meaning 225 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: someone from the New York Times who publishes national defense 226 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: secrets could under the Espionage Act be prosecuted. 227 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: There is that the Judith Miller thing when she went 228 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: to prison was that not give up her source. 229 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, that had to do with so source protection acts, 230 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: but I had to do with classified information and source protection. 231 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: But people believe, oh, the First Amendment. Journalists understand Why 232 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: would Dershowitz say the Espionage Act is unconstitutional? Because it 233 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: is he's right. It is so open ended that you, 234 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: as a journalist working at any publication or on any 235 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: news channel, could be prosecuted for disseminating national defense information. 236 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: There is no carve out. It is a tradition of 237 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice not to prosecute and a long 238 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: standing radition not to prosecute journalists for that because of 239 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: the First Amendment tension. So if you want to get 240 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: even crazier, even information in the public domain everybody, it 241 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: is the official position of the federal government that they 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: don't talk about it. Very commonly, information the public domain 243 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: can still be considered classified, and therefore you could still 244 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: theoretically be held to account for sharing natural defense information 245 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: that is in the public domain. Now it's just follow 246 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: this and people. 247 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Go, no, that's not true. 248 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: The DOJ practice is not the same as what the 249 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 2: statute says. Why did Dershowitz say it's an unconstitutional statute 250 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: because of what I'm telling you, Because if you actually 251 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: look at the letter of the law, you could lock 252 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: up the editorial board of the New York Times, You 253 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: could lock up Washington Post reporters for doing their jobs 254 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: when they actually do it by putting national defense information 255 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: out there of some kind. So you know how all 256 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: this could end up? 257 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: Buck Supreme Court featuring three Donald Trump appointees could be 258 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: called on to render judgment on some of these legal 259 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: related issues. And if they side with Trump, do you 260 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: know what will happen? Democrats will use it as evidence 261 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: of why they need to pack the court because the 262 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: court is rigged the game to such an extent they 263 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: will say that the court can no longer be trusted. 264 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: So what's going to end up happening here and why 265 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: it is such a disastrous precedent is our entire justice 266 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: system is going to get metaphorically blown up in both 267 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: directions because even the appointment of this Miami judge who 268 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: was appointed by Trump is already being attacked on the 269 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: left and the right is sitting back saying this is 270 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: a total witch hunt on behalf of Donald Trump. 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CNN asking people about 301 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: this at the Georgia Convention, and here's what they say. 302 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: Play seven doesn't matter to me, not at all. 303 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 4: I think it's a bunch of boots Trump. 304 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: Ain't that wrong thing Trump done is they's saved this country. 305 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: They're not gonna let his stop. They can't stand the 306 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: fact that he's running for president. 307 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 4: And I am a Donald Trump pain. 308 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: It's probably altered, but it's just typical, typical liberal propaganda. 309 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't waste my time on a pony indaptment. 310 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: I don't care about the adaptment that you could. 311 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: Hey, you could adabt a blownie sandwich. 312 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: There's an audio recording of him doing so. 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: We know that that can be changed. We know that 314 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: that can be altered. 315 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 5: I think Trump is the best president we've ever had, 316 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 5: and I'm all about getting him reelected. 317 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: CNN not getting the answers necessarily they were looking for there, Clay, Well, look, 318 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: I think this can simultaneously be two things. 319 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 5: Right. 320 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: The people who are going to support Trump are more 321 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 3: likely to support Trump. The people who are less likely 322 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: to support Trump are less likely to support Trump. And 323 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: that's why the essence of the twenty twenty four race 324 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: is this. Does this move anyone who is undecided in 325 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: either direction? I think the answer is it doesn't help Trump, 326 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: and I think unfortunately what we saw in twenty twenty 327 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: two is this allegation of Jan six and democracy under 328 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: siege and everything else. 329 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: This adds to that, But in. 330 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: Terms of the diehards on one side or the other, 331 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: everybody's made their minds up. 332 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: Another Monday, another large data breach to report on. 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You got 359 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: six kids, you are. 360 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: Now traveling around the country doing story hours, and your 361 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: books have turned into your children's books major cultural flashpoints. 362 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 3: So Kirk, thank you for being at our New York 363 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: City studio. I'll start here. I'll give you a two 364 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: parter to start what percentage of people who come in 365 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: for your book signings were big Growing Pains. 366 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: Fans back in the day. 367 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: And would you have ever believed back in the days 368 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: when you were a teen idol that you would grow 369 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: up and write children's books with that something that if 370 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: I had told you this in nineteen eighty eight, would 371 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: you have ever believed this would be your career path? 372 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: Great questions and totally. 373 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: The guy that was standing outside of the Seattle Public 374 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: Library was definitely a Growing Pains fan because he had 375 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: a big sandwich board that he took a lot of 376 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: time to make, was huge, like five feet by five 377 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: feet that said you're growing into a real pain. That 378 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: was so well played, well done, sir. I know he 379 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: was a huge fan. I'm glad we could entertain him 380 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: back in the eighties. So many people there came and 381 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: were whether they were Growing Pains fans or not, they're 382 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: fans of the values that led to the freest, strongest, 383 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: most blessed, and generous nation in the history of the world. 384 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: And they're grateful to have something to be a part of, 385 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: to offer their voice in the chorus of Americans that 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: are against this woke machine. They want to deactivate the 387 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: progressive make trix and they want their children to have 388 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: a future. And secondly, no, I never thought i'd be 389 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: on the radio with Clay and Buck talking about children's 390 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: books that I wrote, and would be traveling around the 391 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: country to talk about things like love and joy, kindness, gentleness, 392 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: and self control. 393 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: So I have to ask you, Kirk, it's Buck now? Hey, Hey, 394 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: you know I was a Buck. 395 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: I was a Buck in a movie. You probably didn't 396 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: know this. Yeah, it's It was an obscure little movie. 397 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: But my name was Buck. 398 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, great names, powerful, patriotic name it is, so tell 399 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: me tell me this. You know, you just talked about 400 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: what the books you're writing, children's books about things like love, kindness, decency, 401 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: and bravery. 402 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Very controversial because I say those words. 403 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: What is and it Isn't it kind of crazy that 404 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: at this day and age, whenever someone I mean, I'm 405 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: not the only one I'm sure who feels this way. 406 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Whenever we hear story hour, we're immediately thinking that it's 407 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: a very different kind of story hour. Your story hour 408 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: doesn't involve wigs, fishnet stockings, or any gender identity politics, 409 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: And yet your controversial explain how. 410 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: That's not fair. You can't explain that unless you go 411 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: down the dark rabbit hole of where this is all 412 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: headed by the progressives, and we could get into that. 413 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: But you're right. I was denied by over fifty woke 414 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: libraries when I asked to read this story for kids. 415 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Maybe if I dressed in fishnet stockings and heels, I 416 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had so many doors closed on me. But 417 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: when we actually showed up at the Indianapolis Public Library, 418 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: who told me in their response to my request, we're 419 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: not interested. Our values don't align with yours. Our community 420 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: doesn't want what you have to bring. Over two five 421 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: hundred parents and grandparents and children overwhelmed six floors of 422 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: this giant library. They went down the escalator, out the 423 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: door and into the parking lot. And these were parents 424 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: who couldn't even get into the reading room because the 425 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: one they gave us was so small. And we did 426 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: reading room after reading room after reading room, and the 427 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: ones that never got in didn't get upset, They didn't riot, 428 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: they didn't break stuff and light stuff on fire. You 429 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: know what they did. They started singing God Bless America 430 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: and amazing Grace in the hallways between the rows of books, 431 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: and they started their own story hours for their children. 432 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: Kurt, you've got six kids. You live in California right now. 433 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: I presume back in the day, Growing Pains was filmed 434 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: in California, like many sitcoms. 435 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: Would have been. 436 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: Yep. 437 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if you had a political awakening of sorts. 438 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: I'm curious, as you have evolved in your age, how 439 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: difficult is it for you to stay in California given 440 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: what Gavin Newsom has done and what happened during COVID. 441 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: I live in Nashville, Buck Is in Miami. We of 442 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 3: both in the state of Florida and in the state 443 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: of Time seen massive influxes of California's New Yorkers, people 444 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: from the Chicago area who were just fed up. Have 445 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: you come close to bailing on California? If not, why 446 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: have you stayed? 447 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand the question. I meet many California refugees 448 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: in Texas and Tennessee, Idaho, Florida and from other states 449 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: New York and Michigan and Minnesota. We love California. God 450 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: made a beautiful place with oceans and mountains and agricultural land. 451 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: The weather's always nice, very little bugs or humidity, but 452 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking older, not because of age, but because of 453 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. 454 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: And I. 455 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: Want to stay on the front lines in the places 456 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: where culture is heavily influenced. And if we don't do that, 457 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: then really this stuff creeps all the way into the corners, 458 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: and pretty soon Freedom Island will not be so free anymore. 459 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: So I understand why people move, and I may be 460 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: getting a bug out place somewhere, but I don't think 461 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm leaving California. We've hit rock bottom and I think 462 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: we can only go up from here. 463 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: We're speaking to Kirk Cameron and his book is Pride 464 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: Comes Before the Fall. Just tell us a little b 465 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: about that. I mean a lot of parents out there 466 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: who are looking for this kind of content for their 467 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: kids or their grandkids. A lot of grandparents are listening 468 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: right now. You give us some of what. Why this 469 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: one and some of the other books you've written. Are 470 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: you know you're the author? Why are they great content 471 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: for kids? What are they going to learn? 472 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, kids love to hear stories, they love heroes, and 473 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: they love fantasy worlds to enter into. And so that's 474 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: what I did. I partnered up with Brave Books, which 475 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: is a great American company who knows who they are 476 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: and whose they are. They're not going to sell out. 477 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: They're not turning away from their audience and their values 478 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: like other big corporations have been doing lately. And we 479 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: wrote a book about biblical wisdom and the fruit of 480 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: the Spirit, and then follow it up with this second 481 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: book right here. It's called Pride Comes Before the Fall, 482 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: and it teaches children the importance of humility. Humility is 483 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: a lost and priceless virtue that we've got to get 484 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: back to. I mean, this is a perfect time for 485 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: this book to be coming out. It's June. It's so 486 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: called Pride Month, and it's just in time for kids 487 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: getting out of school and starting their summer reading programs. 488 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me if I could share this 489 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: quick little story. I was walking down the street in 490 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: New York City today, which, by the way, you guys 491 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: are supposed to be here. I thought I was going 492 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: to get to meet you in person. And I'm walking 493 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: past Starbucks and I see the rainbow color letters of 494 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: pride and love, Love and pride, Pride and Love. We 495 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: see it everywhere this month. Kids see this everywhere, and 496 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: we are tempted to think that they go together. But 497 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: the truth is, pride is the opposite of love. Love 498 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: is about others, Pride is about self. So the truest 499 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: expression of love is not pride, it's humility. But think 500 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: of what just happened. The President of the United States, 501 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: George I was gonna say, George Soros, maybe that's sorry accurate. 502 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: Joe Biden raised the pride flag front and center on 503 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the White House. Did you know that George Washington, our 504 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: first president, raised the humility flag. Look it up. He 505 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: did it, said an appeal to heaven, and he raised 506 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: that under his authority as the Commander in chief of 507 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the Continental Army in seventeen seventy five. America was built 508 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: on humility, not on pride. And I happen to call 509 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: the White House this morning. I left a message for 510 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and recommended that if we really want to 511 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: be a nation that's known for loving others, well, we 512 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: should replace the pride flag with the humility flag. We'll 513 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: see if he calls me back. 514 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: I will be fascinated to hear. Maybe he was a 515 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: big fan of growing pains back in. 516 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: The day too. 517 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: You mentioned the importance of staying in la which is 518 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: a center of culture in many ways. And I got 519 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: a I'm a two part question for you here to 520 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: close out with. And we appreciate Kirk Cameron hanging out 521 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: with us. If I think back to the shows that 522 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 3: I watched as a kid with my family, with my parents, 523 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: Family Ties, Growing Pains, Full House, Who's the Boss, Punky Brewster, 524 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 3: The Cosby Show, that's just kind of a rough I 525 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: jotted him down as you were talking. 526 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: I love those shows. 527 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: I bet a huge percentage of our audience does too. 528 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: Those shows were very much, I would say, a political 529 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: anti woke. They also had an overall thematic connection about 530 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 3: the importance of family relationships. Do you think those kind 531 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: of shows could get made in Hollywood today? Is the 532 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: first part. Second part. The most famous person now who 533 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: ever appeared on Growing Pains is Leonardo DiCaprio. You have 534 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: to be a hardcore Growing Pains fan to even remember that. 535 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: Do you ever see DiCaprio around in La What do 536 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: you think about his evolution in terms of his political 537 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: beliefs and were those kinds of things apparent when you 538 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: guys were young guys on a show like that. 539 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so, Leonardo DiCaprio, we has always been someone that 540 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: we've cared so deeply about. My wife and I both 541 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: on the show together with him, and the last time 542 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: we saw each other was at Alan Thick's funeral and 543 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: it was such a sad but anticipated reunion for those 544 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: of us who were on the show together. And we 545 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: love Leo. Although I haven't talked to him in quite 546 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: a while, I know he's busy with not movies and 547 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: saving the rainforest and many of the things that he's 548 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: passionate about. So I really couldn't tell you from an 549 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: inside perspective. I just read what you read in the 550 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Internet as well, and your first question is was it 551 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: did I ex why were shows that? 552 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: Could you still make those shows? 553 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: Right? 554 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: If you think back to all those that I laid out, 555 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: you're talking about the impact of culture. We saw full 556 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: Fuller House came back. Could the Growing Pains reunion show exist? 557 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: What do you think of It was about the culture 558 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: of the late eighties and the nineties that everybody seemed 559 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: to kind of be pulling in the same direction, and 560 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: now we're all going in different directions. 561 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: Because in the eighties and the nineties and much more 562 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: prior to that, in centuries before this, we had a 563 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: common understanding of a Judeo Christian ethic and society, a 564 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: moral standard that we knew led to blessing. That was 565 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: just common knowledge. It was in the water, it was 566 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: in the air. The very first textbooks in education in 567 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: America was the Bible. The Blue Back Spellers, the New 568 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: England Primmer taught kids to spell by referencing the goodness 569 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: of God, the faithfulness of God, the dangers of things 570 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: like pride and selfishness and greed. So our TV shows, 571 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: our culture reflected the things that we wanted. But even 572 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: though today it's really not different, it's just all springing 573 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: out of a different worldview. Politics are really inescapable well, 574 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: religion is really inextricable from culture. And so even though 575 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have said Growing Pains was political or religious, 576 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: it really was the manifestation of an early American Judeo 577 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: Christian view of life. Today we have new pictures of family, 578 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: we have new types of humor, we have different heroes 579 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: and different villains, and that's driven by an ideological worldview. 580 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: As you guys know, you talk about this all of 581 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: the time, and the best way to advance those views, 582 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: whether good or bad, whether free republics or socialist nations 583 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: is to bake it into the songs you sing, the 584 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: TV shows you watch, and the books that you read 585 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: to children. So that's what we're seeing today. So yesterday's 586 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Growing Pains looks a lot different today. And I think 587 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that if you put Growing Pains back on the air, 588 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: just like many classic songs or classic movies, it would 589 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: get labeled hate speech or bigotry, even though we understand 590 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: that what masquerades is truth today is really stuffed with 591 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: a lie. And that's why it's so important to me 592 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: that we teach our kids these things before we reach 593 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: the point of no return. 594 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: Latest book by Kirk Cameron is Pride Comes Before the Fall. 595 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: Good to Bravebooks dot Com to get this and his 596 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: other book and Kirk Cameron, thank you so much, sir, 597 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: Thank you guys, illuminating. 598 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: Appreciate you all. God bless you. Keep up the good work. 599 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: Good stuff. 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We did the 630 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck hang yesterday on Sunday. We're talking to 631 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: some intersting folks this week on the podcast Hootor Dixon's 632 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: podcast goes into the feed. So, like I said, iHeart 633 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: app download. It's also great to listen to any of 634 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: our stations. You can listen live to this show and 635 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: you listen to the podcast on demand and it's it's 636 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: generally fantastic. Clay, what was okay? So there are two? 637 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 2: Which one do we want to talk about? There are two. 638 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with a happy one first and maybe 639 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: we don't even have to talk about the other animal 640 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: involved video because you share this out first. I hadn't 641 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: seen this. This is on the beach. This is happy, 642 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: This is child friendly on the beach in where was 643 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 2: it in? Dustin? Destin, Destin, Florida. Thank you. There's all 644 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: these beach goers, I mean, it's a crowded day, it's 645 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: a beautiful day at the beach, and there's just a 646 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: black bear just like running into the water, swimming around, 647 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: hanging out. And at first it's so close to all 648 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: the people that it looks like a black lab or something, 649 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: a Labrador retriever maybe, And then as it gets further 650 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: out of the water, you're like, there's a bear swimming 651 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: with the people, just hanging out on the beach. It's 652 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: a great video. Yeah, bear cubs. 653 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 3: This is where I'm you know, down on the Florida 654 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 3: Gulf Coast, which I think is the best place in 655 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: the United States, but it's getting crowded, so don't go there. 656 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: Best beaches for sure in the continental United States continental. Yeah, 657 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: bears there. I've been told this for a while that 658 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: there's bears all over the Panhandle of Florida, which I 659 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: think would stun a lot of people. And this bear 660 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 3: cub just comes surfing in on the water, which is 661 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: very positive and the opposite of the other video that 662 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 3: we watched guy getting taken out by the shark and he. 663 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: I don't so I told Carrie don't watch it, and 664 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: she watched it, and it's like when you know, I like, 665 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: if you're a kid, if you watch the horror movie, 666 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to. It is or that is a 667 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: rough watch. The guy is a fatal shark attack, and 668 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: you really see the tiger shark going at him, and 669 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 2: his dad is watching, and his girlfriend's in the water too, 670 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: and the whole thing is a mess. So I wasn't 671 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: I guess we've talked about it now. I was gonna 672 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: keep it on the happy bear cub surfing, But you 673 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 2: know the shark. 674 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 3: Did you know there were bear cubs on a positive 675 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: side on the Florida Gulf Coast? Would that have stunned you, 676 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 3: not only because you don't expect to see a bear 677 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: in the ocean, but for it to be there. 678 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: Nah, bears are like they're like big raccoons. They're all 679 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 2: over the place. Black bears at least grizzly bear. Now, 680 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 2: if you're surfing next to a grizzly bear, that's a 681 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: whole other thing. That would be even more exciting that. 682 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: It's a break back tomorrow. Appreciate all of you. Thanks 683 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: for Hagen