Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my.
Speaker 3: Ball in a brid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida
Speaker 3: egg Frida egg, Frida egg bride.
Speaker 4: Egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.
Speaker 4: I am your host, Andy Johnson, and uh oh, it's
Speaker 4: great to be back. I apologize to listeners. I had
Speaker 4: to take a little hiatus from the podcast. My October
Speaker 4: late September was just absolutely crazy. I would some might
Speaker 4: say I was a little over subscribed with the travel
Speaker 4: and different things that I needed to get done. So
Speaker 4: I needed to take a little break from the pod.
Speaker 4: But I'm excited to be back. I'm excited to have
Speaker 4: things slow down from the travel standpoint a little bit
Speaker 4: in the coming weeks and through the end of the
Speaker 4: year so I can get back down and focused on
Speaker 4: producing episodes of this podcast. So I saw a lot
Speaker 4: of cool stuff, lots of great golf courses, lots of
Speaker 4: awesome events that I went to and really excited to,
Speaker 4: you know, share some of those experiences. But to get
Speaker 4: things back up and running with me. Obviously, Garrett's been
Speaker 4: holding down the pod, producing some really really great episodes
Speaker 4: that I've enjoyed listening to. I had Shane Bacon and
Speaker 4: Kyle Porter come on. It's kind of like the idea
Speaker 4: of this podcast was just to have some fun talk
Speaker 4: about twenty twenty three in the Gulf. With the Ryder
Speaker 4: Cup ending, it is kind of, you know, it kind
Speaker 4: of feels like the end of the golf year. I know,
Speaker 4: the LPGA's in European Tour and Champions Tour, I guess
Speaker 4: are still cooking, but want to kind of talk about
Speaker 4: all the stuff that's happened this year while it's fresh
Speaker 4: in our mind. So the topic for this podcast is
Speaker 4: to rank the five people or you know, loosely people
Speaker 4: that twenty twenty three has been best to And I
Speaker 4: think we covered a lot of different ground, you know,
Speaker 4: had a lot of conversations with about things that I
Speaker 4: didn't expect to have and it was it was great fun.
Speaker 4: So thanks to Kyle Porter and Shane. I highly recommend
Speaker 4: following them and getting all their different content. We talk
Speaker 4: about it at the end of the pod as well.
Speaker 4: But thanks for their time and for them to come
Speaker 4: on and talk with us. All right, well we are
Speaker 4: back with another show. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Here is that your intro? And we're back with another
Speaker 3: show with some people, with some people.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is gonna how I'm lockcast.
Speaker 3: Turn it off, Go do something more productive with your life.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be it's gonna be a pod. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be a podcast. It's it's gonna be a little off
Speaker 4: the wall. We're back. I haven't been on the pod
Speaker 4: in like a month. I've been taking a little hiatus,
Speaker 4: a little recharge. I haven't been recharging. I've been depleting myself.
Speaker 4: But I'm back and I want to have a little fun.
Speaker 4: So we're We got Shane Bacon and Kyle Porter, two
Speaker 4: great golf mindes, two great golf personalities, men of many,
Speaker 4: many talents. Right now, Kyle looks like he's the offense
Speaker 4: coordinator of the Miami Dollars.
Speaker 2: I need like a a headset or something.
Speaker 3: You gotta have those. You have those. McDaniel joggers on,
Speaker 3: I do, I actually do.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't. I didn't plan that, but I do.
Speaker 2: We were playing fourth grade five football the other day. Okay,
Speaker 2: you guys will love this the coach of the other team.
Speaker 2: You get to you get to be on the field
Speaker 2: when you're calm plays. So you got the little I've
Speaker 2: got the playbook right here. I mean, I can send
Speaker 2: this to you guys if you need it, if you
Speaker 2: need it for future use. But the coach of the
Speaker 2: other team has one AirPod in just one. And I
Speaker 2: looked at I looked at my buddy that I coached with,
Speaker 2: and I said, do you think he's do you think
Speaker 2: he's getting plays from the from the from the booth,
Speaker 2: like do you think he's got a green Does he
Speaker 2: have a green sticker on his hat and he can
Speaker 2: receive them play there's some guy.
Speaker 3: There's some guy sit in the back of his truck
Speaker 3: a little higher than everybody else. Well, they played lived
Speaker 3: down on the field.
Speaker 4: I recently had a neighbor asked me about my drone
Speaker 4: and was asking me about if if I thought it
Speaker 4: could be useful for uh like uh, young football, Like
Speaker 4: I don't know what the youth football if if I
Speaker 4: if I thought we could there's possibility to record things
Speaker 4: with a drone so they could replay it. And I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I think that's possible, but that's
Speaker 4: not so. Maybe that was it may he was communicating
Speaker 4: with the drone pilot.
Speaker 2: We played a team last year that how did they
Speaker 2: ran a drone over the field they were watching They
Speaker 2: were doing film of like third grade five football. It
Speaker 2: was I told you poorath about this. He said that
Speaker 2: they had like a lacrosse or something where they did
Speaker 2: the same. It's it's out of control. You think pr
Speaker 2: emails are out of control, Shane, fourth grade five football
Speaker 2: is out of control.
Speaker 1: Well, you're in Texas. You're in the heart of it.
Speaker 1: You're in Texas.
Speaker 3: Every email is out my school emails. Yesterday I told
Speaker 3: my wife it was Monday morning. I got a school
Speaker 3: email where they on the third paragraph to find what
Speaker 3: diarrhea was like literally hoppy pasted the terminology. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a nice way to start your Monday.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm taking control of this.
Speaker 4: We're moving away from this.
Speaker 1: This is we're already off the rails. We're three minutes in.
Speaker 4: This is the topic of today's podcast and why I
Speaker 4: brought these two a steam people on is we're talking
Speaker 4: about the five people who have had the best year.
Speaker 4: We each came up with a list of five. Mine
Speaker 4: might be four until the moment I have to hit
Speaker 4: the fourth the fourth person. But the people that have
Speaker 4: had the best year in golf in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: that golf spend the best too in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: So we each came up with a five person list
Speaker 4: and uh, and we're going to go from there.
Speaker 1: And that's if you would, If.
Speaker 3: You would, I would like to lead off onto my
Speaker 3: number five. If that's okay with you.
Speaker 1: That's is since you asked for it, you can have.
Speaker 5: The okay, go ahead, go with KP.
Speaker 2: Well, you're asking two things. I want to know y'all's
Speaker 2: process and then two can I can I do? Honorable?
Speaker 5: Process is still happening, so it's real time.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I looked at results for the year in terms of
Speaker 3: tournament golf, and then I was, it's funny I scrolled
Speaker 3: through podcasts. So I scrolled through like a few of
Speaker 3: the popular golf podcasts to see who'd come on on
Speaker 3: why they'd come on for the year, Like was there
Speaker 3: something I was missing? Which I actually got one of
Speaker 3: my five off the list from but I was trying. No,
Speaker 3: I didn't get Flocky didn't make my list. Andy I was,
Speaker 3: Andy asked us to try to not just focus on
Speaker 3: the golfer golfer people and try to kind of think
Speaker 3: a little bit outside the box. So KP, I was
Speaker 3: trying my hardest to hit at least a few different
Speaker 3: genres of golf person, if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was kind of mine as well. Do
Speaker 2: you have an honorable mention? Shane?
Speaker 3: No, I I cut it all the way down to five.
Speaker 3: I listened to h to our bosses instructions.
Speaker 4: I think you got to go with honorable mentions after
Speaker 4: after the okay, so after the five because one of
Speaker 4: your honorable mentions might be on our list of five.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Andy showed up to the pod. How many minutes in
Speaker 3: are we? We're five minutes, five minutes.
Speaker 5: Andy's here now.
Speaker 3: Now he's done well.
Speaker 2: And to be clear with the way this went down
Speaker 2: is is Andy asked us to to go through this exercise,
Speaker 2: and Shane and I are just you know, we've got kids,
Speaker 2: and we've got a bunch of stuff. And when we
Speaker 2: you know, my Rangers are in the World series, and
Speaker 2: you know, we we get the work done, we go
Speaker 2: through it, and then we and then we show up
Speaker 2: and andies, I don't know, I got like three and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm four.
Speaker 1: I have trouble making decisions.
Speaker 3: The instructions are five. He's got four. Hey, you know what, Hey,
Speaker 3: it's close enough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick up a fifth while we're talking. That's
Speaker 4: the thing. I'm keeping a spot open.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like the like the team that's keeping a spot
Speaker 4: open and free agency.
Speaker 1: We aren't set on our team.
Speaker 4: We're gonna wait to see who gets bought out, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna bring them on at a at a low cost.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question when you do
Speaker 3: these podcasts? How often are you looking at the other
Speaker 3: people versus looking at yourself?
Speaker 1: What do you guys?
Speaker 5: What would you guys say? The process is?
Speaker 2: I think about this all the time. I think I
Speaker 2: I think I do better when you can turn your
Speaker 2: your own view off.
Speaker 3: Yep. I cover myself with my notes, by the way,
Speaker 3: That's what I do too, Colin, Can you.
Speaker 2: Turn it off on? Here? There's some software where you
Speaker 2: can can you can block yourself, which I think is
Speaker 2: way better because you're not it's weird to look at yourself, right.
Speaker 5: I hate it.
Speaker 4: I hate it so much for how much I pay
Speaker 4: for this service, you should be able to turn it off.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: There you go, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would want me to do adrees
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: All right, Andy, my number five, I'm gonna start us
Speaker 3: off here. Five people in golf. What did you say
Speaker 3: that had the best year in golf?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like the best best year, you know, the
Speaker 4: just in terms of you know, twenty twenty three has
Speaker 4: treated them well.
Speaker 3: Okay, My number five is a guy I'm a fan
Speaker 3: of and I've been a fan of for a long time.
Speaker 3: Number five on my list, Andy Johnson, been a.
Speaker 5: Big year for the Egg. Wow for Andy.
Speaker 3: I feel like this has kind of been the breakout year,
Speaker 3: the glow up year, if you will.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's shooting commercials the other day.
Speaker 3: I saw at his house he played Augusta National this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you have a better twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three than that?
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: I'm by the way on the call here, I'm the
Speaker 3: only person on the call that hasn't played Augusta National.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I just say the Egg in general,
Speaker 3: the brand, the shotgun start, the popularity of of what
Speaker 3: Andy's been able to do has I felt like taking
Speaker 3: a big leap in twenty three, so Andy Johnson my
Speaker 3: number one.
Speaker 1: We got we gotta move on.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, I want to I want to give
Speaker 2: you an opportunity here because I know you don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about yourself, so I want to give you
Speaker 2: an opportunity to attribute that to somebody else within uh,
Speaker 2: within the egg, because I know there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: people behind the scenes. So I'm in front of the scenes.
Speaker 2: But how do you what do you because I agree
Speaker 2: with Shane, but what do you attribute that to?
Speaker 4: I always say that you hire people that are smarter
Speaker 4: and more talented than you, so you know, just in general,
Speaker 4: it's been a long, long road. A lot of people
Speaker 4: here that are listening probably listened to early episodes of
Speaker 4: the pod when I was recording Skype calls with my
Speaker 4: cell phone and that over the speakers of my laptop,
Speaker 4: and that was that was the podcast audio, right like it.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know how to do anything, so I'm
Speaker 4: figuring it out. So at this point, I mean, like
Speaker 4: you look at it. You know, we went from me
Speaker 4: editing video and that was like me learning how to
Speaker 4: edit video, which was like I'm bad at it.
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it, but I was editing video.
Speaker 4: Now we have Matt Rush's and Cameron Hurtis who who
Speaker 4: produce our videos, and it's like I don't even open
Speaker 4: video editing software anymore.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Whether it's Garrett and what he's done with with this
Speaker 4: pod and you know, the written stuff, and or Brendan
Speaker 4: what he's brought. You know, there's a million things. Will
Speaker 4: runs our events right, It's it's impossib well, Meg runs
Speaker 4: everything in the pro shop. It's just you know, honestly
Speaker 4: hiring people that are better at things than you, and
Speaker 4: you know, identifying that they're better. It's the big thing
Speaker 4: I think is like I'm an idiot. I'm not very
Speaker 4: good at a lot of stuff. But you know, so
Speaker 4: I just have to find people that are better than
Speaker 4: me at stuff and then and then have them run
Speaker 4: that part of the business and and then I, you know,
Speaker 4: I get to do what I do.
Speaker 3: You know, can I ask the both of you guys
Speaker 3: a question? I mean, you guys are are golf people obviously,
Speaker 3: I mean you've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 3: You get the note that you're playing Augusta because I mean, Kyle,
Speaker 3: you had it what three four years ago?
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Kyle Kyle? Kyle, Kyle's the one that told me Kyle
Speaker 1: blew the surprise.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean when you're coaching, sometimes you got to
Speaker 3: let people in on that.
Speaker 4: God, I will ahead from a day out of the
Speaker 4: golf course.
Speaker 1: He said, congratulations.
Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, like we could be cynical
Speaker 5: about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is that first he experience, Like, I'd
Speaker 3: like to hear from you first, But I mean, as
Speaker 3: cynical as we can be about the game and as
Speaker 3: much as we can roll our eyes about the stuff
Speaker 3: that's happened over the last year and a half, has
Speaker 3: there been a better, more like holy crap moment than
Speaker 3: first tea? There going all right, here we go.
Speaker 2: That's up there, I think. I think walking into the
Speaker 2: Champions locker room is up there also, right because it's
Speaker 2: such a and I presume they still do that, Andy,
Speaker 2: But I don't know how much we were even allowed
Speaker 2: to talk about this.
Speaker 1: But I forgot who. I forgot who my champions I had.
Speaker 1: I had a non descript Champions lockers That's how bad
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: No, I was waiting for this so good, that is
Speaker 2: so good. I think. I think the I think the
Speaker 2: hard part about first t and even into the round,
Speaker 2: but also like the cool part is it feels you've
Speaker 2: seen that course, You've seen those holes so many times
Speaker 2: that it almost feels like you're it almost feels like
Speaker 2: you're watching a movie of yourself as you're at you're
Speaker 2: acting it as you're like living it out. And that
Speaker 2: that that that was the part that was I think
Speaker 2: the most surreal for me was like having like putting
Speaker 2: myself into this almost set movie set if you will,
Speaker 2: that I've seen ten thousand times like that that made it,
Speaker 2: it almost made it difficult to play, but it made
Speaker 2: this the entire experience very surreal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would agree with a lot of that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I wrote this and the thing that I wrote, but
Speaker 4: like it honestly, like I was like nervous. It was
Speaker 4: like I felt like I was teeing off in like
Speaker 4: a us AM qualifier, right, Like I was like I
Speaker 4: had this like I'm the first tea. I was like, God,
Speaker 4: you gotta heart, Like you know, it's just it's crazy,
Speaker 4: like I've honestly it felt like I played a tournament
Speaker 4: where like I'm I'm an habitual slow starter and tournament golf.
Speaker 4: And I got off to a really bad start at Augusta,
Speaker 4: and like then I.
Speaker 1: Started to play really well, which is like my tournament golf.
Speaker 3: Mo.
Speaker 1: I honestly liken it to that.
Speaker 4: I think, like, as Kyle said, like it's a super
Speaker 4: hard experience to rate, like quantitatively, because of how many
Speaker 4: memories flood into your brain from like your childhood, your
Speaker 4: you know, coming of age moments in life watching the Masters,
Speaker 4: or you know, in your twenties. And and I think
Speaker 4: that's like the thing that's just so hard to It's
Speaker 4: just an amazing thing. And then and then like before
Speaker 4: you know, it's over right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy, Andy, how many times did you how many
Speaker 3: times were you on a hole going I know, Woozy
Speaker 3: hit it here before. I remember when Woozy was here
Speaker 3: in seventy nine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, twelve, Yeah, I did, Ayby tell you the story
Speaker 4: about the Japanese reporter who had never played golf before
Speaker 4: played with like an played Augusta National with just the
Speaker 4: seven iron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard. I think I think you did.
Speaker 5: You might have you might have.
Speaker 4: Told And she got to twelve and she asked the caddie, like,
Speaker 4: what should I do here? And he was like, well,
Speaker 4: you have to hit the seven iron, he's our only club,
Speaker 4: and she hit it right into the lotter.
Speaker 3: I don't want to, by the way, I don't want
Speaker 3: a sidetrack on Augusta National playing Augusta National stories. But
Speaker 3: I just I just Andy, you're my number five.
Speaker 5: That's my list?
Speaker 1: Insane.
Speaker 4: I just figured out my my, my four, my number four.
Speaker 4: By the way, is it woozy, No, it's not woozy. Kyle,
Speaker 4: who's your number five?
Speaker 2: I went, I went way off the board on all
Speaker 2: of mine. I'm actually more excited about the honorable mention
Speaker 2: than the actual list. But number five for me is
Speaker 2: uh is newsletters. So this is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a testament to Andy as well. But just I've never
Speaker 2: been a big fan, I guess of newsletters. I thought
Speaker 2: I'd always connotated like it's not it's not technology forward,
Speaker 2: it's it feels like like a you know, eighty year
Speaker 2: old writing jotting down a grocery list and sending it
Speaker 2: to somebody. But I have found, maybe this year more
Speaker 2: than ever, that my consumption of smart golf people and
Speaker 2: golf news in general has come through newsletters. Whether it's
Speaker 2: fried egg, whether it's La Manya, whether it's data Golf,
Speaker 2: whether it's the normal sporter, normal.
Speaker 5: Sporter, Shackleford, there's Shackleford.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I think that's a really
Speaker 2: and that's maybe a shift in media in general. But
Speaker 2: I I felt it for the first time. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've been doing the Fridagg newsletter Andy for seven years now,
Speaker 2: but I felt it for the first time broadly within
Speaker 2: the golf media landscape in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Are you saying I was just seven years early?
Speaker 2: I think so. Here's Yeah, I've always I've always said
Speaker 2: you're ahead of the cultural curve. F you're you're way
Speaker 2: ahead of the game.
Speaker 1: The uh.
Speaker 4: I mean newsletters are amazing because this is uh I've
Speaker 4: obviously long believed in newsletters, but like the idea of
Speaker 4: of somebody effectively cutting through all the noise for you
Speaker 4: and giving it to you in in really easy you
Speaker 4: don't have to go anywhere, right, you're checking your email.
Speaker 4: It's a super intimate relationship to right, especially like good
Speaker 4: newsletters do not sell you down a river, right, you're not,
Speaker 4: but you know when something comes from them that it's
Speaker 4: like something you want to open and you want to
Speaker 4: engage with and you know, it's been uh, it's been neat.
Speaker 4: I I I consume a lot of newsletters too. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of great newsletters that aren't golf specific.
Speaker 1: But there is.
Speaker 3: There one that stands out to the both of you
Speaker 3: that's not golf, that you guys look forward to or
Speaker 3: that you read through every time.
Speaker 2: I've allow got named named Nathan Barry. He runs a
Speaker 2: company called convert Kit, which is kind of like a
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a niche mail chimp. It's just
Speaker 2: a it's a newsletter service. I actually don't use it,
Speaker 2: but he has built that company, and I'm interested in
Speaker 2: people who have entrepreneurial journeys like that. He's got a
Speaker 2: really cool journey, and he writes smartly about the future
Speaker 2: of business, future of email, all those different things. And
Speaker 2: I think, to to Any's point, like the incentives and
Speaker 2: when you have a newsletter, I think are more aligned
Speaker 2: with the reader's incentives because when you have a website,
Speaker 2: you're constantly trying to pull people in, pull people in,
Speaker 2: and you're writing about John Rom's pink shirt twenty five
Speaker 2: times a year, which is just nonsense, you know, And
Speaker 2: and when you have a newsletter, you're trying to not
Speaker 2: You're you're really attempting to not get people to unsubscribe,
Speaker 2: and you have to make it aligns your incentives with
Speaker 2: the reader's incentives, which is great, like providing value through
Speaker 2: great content. And I think that's something that I've has
Speaker 2: really hit home with me in so far this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I completely agree. Right, if you're in somebody's
Speaker 4: in box, you don't want to if you think about
Speaker 4: it from like a consumer standpoint yourself, right, you don't
Speaker 4: want to alienate that your your presence in somebody's You know,
Speaker 4: there's nothing worse than when you keep getting emails and
Speaker 4: you haven't hit unsubscribed yet, but you see no value
Speaker 4: in it, right, Like as a consumer, I think one
Speaker 4: recommendation I'd have is the the og of of the
Speaker 4: email newsletter, the og of the sub stack model before
Speaker 4: substack existed. Ben Thompson and his protect career, He's he
Speaker 4: might he's one of the smartest guys on the Internet.
Speaker 4: I I got to talk to him like five years ago,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I think about that conversation so
Speaker 4: many times. He's smart, such a smart guy. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Like when he started his business and and this is
Speaker 4: now we aren't talking about golf at all. Well, he
Speaker 4: told me, you know, he lives. I think he lives
Speaker 4: in Thailand, Taiwan, Taiwan. He he wanted he was just
Speaker 4: hoping to get a thousand subscribers at ten bucks a
Speaker 4: month because then he knew he could he could live
Speaker 4: how he wanted to live. And I would say that
Speaker 4: he's probably got one of the most successful email newsletters
Speaker 4: in the in the world now, So he's and I
Speaker 4: think he's only got like one an assistant is the
Speaker 4: only other staff member that he has, which is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you do.
Speaker 3: The Ziller newsletter? And you know you're big basketball guy.
Speaker 3: That's kind of my good morning is basketball when it
Speaker 3: is kind of the one I read through all the time.
Speaker 3: But I mean there were so many good ones. I
Speaker 3: love the golf ones. I mean we listed a few
Speaker 3: that were awesome.
Speaker 4: All Right, we're twenty minutes in and we haven't gotten
Speaker 4: through five yet.
Speaker 1: This it's great, you're number five.
Speaker 4: I've got a number five is golf architects not named
Speaker 4: Gil Hant, Corn Crenshaw or Tom Doak.
Speaker 1: There's been insane. I like every day, I like find
Speaker 1: out about a new golf course, and it's crazy.
Speaker 4: And for years there were like three or four golf
Speaker 4: courses built a year, and they all went to the
Speaker 4: same guys other than like then you had like your
Speaker 4: Discovery Fazio courses and and other you know, golf courses.
Speaker 4: But now there's so many jobs that those guys can't
Speaker 4: do all the jobs. And it's great for the up
Speaker 4: and coming golf architects who now are getting chances to
Speaker 4: build golf courses. So that's my number five. So it's
Speaker 4: technically not one name. It's a collection of names, so
Speaker 4: kind of it's.
Speaker 5: It's your own list. It's your own list, and I'm
Speaker 5: into it.
Speaker 1: Number four, who's.
Speaker 4: Up, Okay, I'll get snake in here.
Speaker 2: My yeah, Well if we're snak and then you go, Andy.
Speaker 4: Well you get you gotta go, well all today, Okay,
Speaker 4: whatever I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: My number four is, uh, my number four is the Mules.
Speaker 2: The Mules with the PGA Tour had a great year.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the fans had a great year.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the partners had a great year.
Speaker 2: I don't know that a lot of other entities had
Speaker 2: a great year. But the Mules cleaned up because the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour has never been more lucrative. I want you
Speaker 2: guys to guess. So I've got I've got the list here.
Speaker 2: I want you to guess. How much money do you think,
Speaker 2: Let's say Grayson Sigg made on the PGA Tour this
Speaker 2: year two million?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I was gonna say two point.
Speaker 2: Five one point four million. He was the one hundred
Speaker 2: and tenth ranked player in terms of money distributed. And
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of this has been caused by live
Speaker 2: and a bunch of other factors, but it has never
Speaker 2: been you know, and I think there's a The situation
Speaker 2: that we're in has come about because every vote counts
Speaker 2: the same, and that's maybe not always best for the fans,
Speaker 2: but man, it is really really good for players that
Speaker 2: honestly don't do a lot. They create no value on
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, but they also don't really perform that
Speaker 2: well on the PGA Tour. I mean, just everybody that
Speaker 2: was Let's see how many people made a million dollars?
Speaker 2: The top one thirty all made over a million dollars,
Speaker 2: which is just it's it's astonishing if you think about
Speaker 2: where the tour was at even ten years ago, even
Speaker 2: five years ago compared to where it is now. So
Speaker 2: that's my number four is the mules had a great,
Speaker 2: great year on the PGA.
Speaker 4: Tour, all right, this hits perfectly and my recently selected
Speaker 4: fourth pick here, he's not a mule.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's not a mule. Eric Cole is
Speaker 1: or he had.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think this is just one of the
Speaker 4: most amazing PGA Tour stories of the year when you
Speaker 4: look at it in totality. Is he gonna win any
Speaker 4: personality contests? No, but this is literally like the the
Speaker 4: American dream of golf, right, this is what everybody dreams about.
Speaker 4: This is what people grind for, this is what you
Speaker 4: know they do. So Eric Cole, this year he finished
Speaker 4: forty third in the FedEx Cup. Do you guys know
Speaker 4: how much money he made?
Speaker 1: This is? I mean without the bonus.
Speaker 3: I've oh, without the bonus four and a half million.
Speaker 1: Really close. You were right on the money.
Speaker 4: With the start it's four point nine million, so he
Speaker 4: made five effectively five million plus and then a bonus
Speaker 4: on there.
Speaker 1: And he's continued.
Speaker 4: I think he finished second last week, so you know
Speaker 4: that's in there, I think already. But so he's made
Speaker 4: five million dollars. At twenty twenty three. Two years ago,
Speaker 4: he was playing on the Minor League Golf Tour, which
Speaker 4: he had played on from two thousand and nine, so
Speaker 4: he would he had been playing on the Minor League
Speaker 4: Tour since two thousand and nine. He was on a
Speaker 4: list that nobody wants to be on, which is the
Speaker 4: career earnings list of the Minor League Tour. He was
Speaker 4: fourth on that he had made in twelve years on
Speaker 4: the Minor League Tour, or eleven years, he had made
Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety four thousand dollars. I mean this
Speaker 4: year he played on the Minor League Tour during a break,
Speaker 4: like he had some time off. He played and he
Speaker 4: played like four events on the Minor League Tour this year,
Speaker 4: and now he's like in every elevated event. It's insane.
Speaker 4: It's an amazing story.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: This is what these guys grind for, is that like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, he he was dominant on the Minor League
Speaker 4: Tour and now all of a sudden he's on the
Speaker 4: PGA Tour and he's in every signature event.
Speaker 1: For twenty twenty four is wild Eric Cole number four
Speaker 1: on my list.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, kind of piggybacking off of what
Speaker 3: KP said about this. I mean, what a time right
Speaker 3: now to find your game, ye, Derek Cole, it's just
Speaker 3: if you. I mean you think about Max, right, you
Speaker 3: think about some of these players that have taken this
Speaker 3: enormous leap over the last couple of years. That would
Speaker 3: have been great to do fifteen years ago. I mean,
Speaker 3: you'd have been a very rich person. But now you're
Speaker 3: talking about generational wealth that you could run into by
Speaker 3: just simply being a top forty golfer in the world.
Speaker 3: And for Eric Cole, it's like, I'd love my break
Speaker 3: to happen three years ago, but god, it's nice that
Speaker 3: happened in twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Shane, who's your four?
Speaker 3: My number four? I just mentioned Max. Mark Blackburn is
Speaker 3: my nothing. I feel like he's become to his guy
Speaker 3: in terms of golf instruction. Max took that huge leap
Speaker 3: over the last few years he's worked with him. Justin
Speaker 3: Rose flipped his game this year working with Mark. Obviously
Speaker 3: wins and makes the Ryder Cup. I've heard some rumors
Speaker 3: that a certain two time major winner that maybe just
Speaker 3: had a little bit of success across the pond. Has
Speaker 3: been working with Mark over the last few weeks and
Speaker 3: things have changed for him. I asked Max what makes
Speaker 3: Mark so great? And as Max does, he sent me
Speaker 3: an amazing response. He said, I think he understands matchups
Speaker 3: really well, so basically cause and effect. It's not cookie cutter.
Speaker 3: I think people appreciate that you can do X if
Speaker 3: you do Y type of thing, and he doesn't. It
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be perfect with the whole golf swing,
Speaker 3: just efficient for your body. He just feels like a
Speaker 3: new age voice and eyes and when it comes to
Speaker 3: golf swing in the professional ranks, and I feel like
Speaker 3: more of these top fifteen players are gonna go to
Speaker 3: Mark if they need any help over the next few years.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like Mark has taken a leap
Speaker 3: this year, and I feel like he deserves a place
Speaker 3: on the top five list.
Speaker 2: That seems like such a modern philosophy right where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try to fit my what I do to your body,
Speaker 2: your game, your mind, rather than the other way around.
Speaker 2: I feel like in twenty thirty forty years ago, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I've got the answers you need to change
Speaker 2: what you do to fit, Like my philosophy a swing,
Speaker 2: you know, versus the idea of like fitting. So like
Speaker 2: David Ledbetter's like philosophy was like this is the way
Speaker 2: to swing a golf club and obviously like this is
Speaker 2: not a shot. David Ledbetter like what the tools at
Speaker 2: Mark Blackburn's disposal now versus what you know, guys were
Speaker 2: coaching with a video camera, right, you know, if they
Speaker 2: were advanced forty years ago, right, And now you have
Speaker 2: TrackMan that tells you literally everything that's going on when
Speaker 2: a player hits the ball. Not to mention not just TrackMan,
Speaker 2: but like those things they connect to people that show
Speaker 2: exactly how your body moves everything. The information is just
Speaker 2: so much greater.
Speaker 4: But the idea of like looking at someone and fitting
Speaker 4: a golf swing that fits them is such a just
Speaker 4: a refreshing way, like the idea of not, hey, this
Speaker 4: is how you have to swing a golf club. And
Speaker 4: I think that's the beauty of what's happened in golf
Speaker 4: instruction recently.
Speaker 3: I mean, colle it's a little like parenting, right, I
Speaker 3: mean you know, like imagine just parenting all your kids
Speaker 3: the exact same way. I mean, I'm learning this now
Speaker 3: because you know Charlotte's now one and a half, and
Speaker 3: you know you're seeing the personality pop and I quickly
Speaker 3: understand this is a totally different human than my son,
Speaker 3: and the way I go about the parenting to her
Speaker 3: versus him is gonna be different. But if I just
Speaker 3: went through the same process I went I go through
Speaker 3: with Henry, it wouldn't fit her, right, I mean, what
Speaker 3: she needs in wants is so different than what he
Speaker 3: needs and wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and we see this in ourselves, right,
Speaker 2: Like I know that I am motivated. Like if you,
Speaker 2: if Shane, if you come to me and you say, hey,
Speaker 2: that thing you wrote on Monday that sucked, like that
Speaker 2: was not good, Like you're better than that, which you've
Speaker 2: never said that, but maybe you thought it. If you
Speaker 2: said that to me, I'd be like, damn, that did suck.
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 2: ten times better next Monday. If you said the same
Speaker 2: thing to my wife, if she was if she was
Speaker 2: doing my job, she would shut down. She would not
Speaker 2: only shut down, she would never talk to you again,
Speaker 2: and she would avoid you and she would maybe quit
Speaker 2: her job. Right, And I think that some of these
Speaker 2: some of these things that we see to be true
Speaker 2: of ourselves, I think sometimes we don't presume that they're
Speaker 2: true of other people also like out like out like
Speaker 2: broadly true. And I think some of the best coaches
Speaker 2: or teachers or or anything have kind of tapped into
Speaker 2: the fact of like these human conditions are you know,
Speaker 2: like these things that we see in our in our
Speaker 2: tiny little worlds, in our tiny little circles, those are
Speaker 2: true everywhere. And so to see that and to say, oh,
Speaker 2: I have to I have to kind of teach everybody
Speaker 2: or coach everybody differently, I think, is to kind of
Speaker 2: see what's going on in the reality of the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think anything you right sucks, but
Speaker 3: the coaching performance Sunday night, I mean, I just felt like.
Speaker 5: You could have gotten Tyreek more involved early.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe the offense, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: sputter out of the gate like that. Just I mean,
Speaker 3: just you know, maybe get a little more creative as
Speaker 3: you get set for.
Speaker 5: The rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my six year old is a is a
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts fan, no idea why he just saw him
Speaker 2: play one time. He's like, I like that guy. So
Speaker 2: he has this Jalen Hurts jersey. We're in Dallas. Everybody
Speaker 2: who sees him is like, what's the deal. He doesn't understand,
Speaker 2: like why you know he doesn't understand the Eagles Cowboys
Speaker 2: thing and uh so the so the Eagles office buy
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. Monday morning, He's like, do my Eagles win?
Speaker 2: And I'm like your Eagles? Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like you don't even He's like, I want a Davante
Speaker 2: Smith jersey for Christmas. I'm like, what do we do
Speaker 2: with here? I know it's unbelievable. Parenting your kids jerseys,
Speaker 2: by the way, is so fun, like it's the best.
Speaker 4: Well we we I saw I saw Tron Tront's got
Speaker 4: you know, he's got two kids in jerseys now and
Speaker 4: one of them, one of them I think had et
Speaker 4: on On and the other one had Minshew And I'm
Speaker 4: like freak and he goes, he goes, and he just
Speaker 4: replied I sent up a message on Instagram.
Speaker 1: He replied like hand me downs are a bitch or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, Kyle Henry now has learned because Cindy has Derrick
Speaker 3: Henry on her fantasy team and Henry's now super excited
Speaker 3: that there's a Henry in football. So I think there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a Derreck Henry jersey potentially from Santa this year.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, we've got We've got Jamar my older
Speaker 2: son has Jamar, Lamar Jackson and Brady so we've we've
Speaker 2: kind of run the run the game and no Justin
Speaker 2: Fields yet.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Andy, Yeah, we're on the Tyson Badger Baigen.
Speaker 5: So you can find one of those jerseys. And what's
Speaker 5: number three?
Speaker 1: I've got, uh, I've got l D. Luke Donald.
Speaker 5: Honorable mention for me. Yep.
Speaker 4: So I feel like the we've gotten like to the
Speaker 4: furthest extreme of Ryder Cup captaincy, where if you win
Speaker 4: your genius and if you lose, you're you're the biggest
Speaker 4: idiot in the world. And I think like everything comes
Speaker 4: out of the Ryder Cup. Luke Donald's team obviously dominates
Speaker 4: the Ryder Cup. The Europeans they come together, you know,
Speaker 4: against all odds, and they beat this American team that
Speaker 4: absolutely mopped the floor with him. Luke Donald. Now you
Speaker 4: know he goes if he wins the next Ryder Cup.
Speaker 4: I mean like he's gonna be a legendary rider. I mean,
Speaker 4: Ari is a Ryder Cup legend from his record as
Speaker 4: an individual, and now it's like it's like we've got
Speaker 4: we're getting to the status of like a he's got
Speaker 4: a potential to be like the Phil Jackson type of
Speaker 4: of the Ryder Cup. Here if he goes and wins
Speaker 4: at beth Page, right, assuming he's he's selected.
Speaker 2: Do you think he will be selected?
Speaker 4: I mean it seems like it like the cupboards kind
Speaker 4: of live, kind of stole all the pipeline.
Speaker 3: Ye, right, I think I think he'll be. I think
Speaker 3: he'll be the I think he'll be the European captain.
Speaker 3: I would if that was a bet online. I think
Speaker 3: that's the way I would late.
Speaker 1: Who do you think who's Francesco Mulinari. He might still
Speaker 1: be playing. He hasn't been an assistant captain either.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: But big shot Bob Carlson, I mean to.
Speaker 3: Me, to me, the loop thing makes so much sense
Speaker 3: because A you had the experience of being cat, then
Speaker 3: you understand what's going down with it when you go in.
Speaker 3: What I think is going to be the most raucous
Speaker 3: and potentially most intense Ryder Cup of all time on
Speaker 3: the European side, for those players and coaches having to
Speaker 3: go to Long Island and play at Betpage and having
Speaker 3: somebody that knows how it goes, what to experience, the good,
Speaker 3: the bad, the otherwise, what happens if your best player
Speaker 3: wants to fight a caddy? Like all of those things
Speaker 3: going in too kind of the recipe, why not have
Speaker 3: somebody out there with a bit of experience so you
Speaker 3: can kind of avoid I think, all of the mischief
Speaker 3: that might take place, considering how weird it might be,
Speaker 3: you know, with like the American fans going nuts.
Speaker 2: I came into the year and feeling nothing towards lou Donald.
Speaker 2: I didn't dislike him, I didn't love him. I just was.
Speaker 2: I was neutral toward him. And I came away from
Speaker 2: Rome being like, man, that guy is. And you're right,
Speaker 2: like we overrate are we over assign value to the
Speaker 2: captain when teams win, but winning a side like just
Speaker 2: his demeanor and the way he carried himself, in the
Speaker 2: way he spoke about his team and his strategy and
Speaker 2: all those things I was and you know, those things
Speaker 2: were true of him and have been true of him
Speaker 2: for a long time, I just hadn't I just didn't
Speaker 2: see them, or I hadn't seen them, and I walked
Speaker 2: away from Rome being like, that guy is awesome as
Speaker 2: a golf mind, as a golf personality, Like you don't
Speaker 2: get a ton of that, or you didn't get a
Speaker 2: ton of that when he was playing, and you did
Speaker 2: during the Ryder Cup, and I thought it was sweet.
Speaker 5: Kyle.
Speaker 3: I think this happens in sports coaching a lot.
Speaker 1: Where the coach the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know this obviously, but you know, like the
Speaker 3: locker room understands which player's voices carrion matter and fans
Speaker 3: don't really see it. I kind of lean on Vrabel
Speaker 3: a lot like this. Everybody in that Patriots locker room
Speaker 3: would always talk about how key Vrabel was to the
Speaker 3: Championships and how vocal he was and how everybody listened
Speaker 3: to him. But we didn't really know that as fans.
Speaker 3: And then you see him like in front of a microphone,
Speaker 3: or you see him coaching, go oh that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I feel like that with Luke, Like feels like the
Speaker 3: players kind of understood the voice and the respect he carries,
Speaker 3: and then you see him on that stage and you go, oh,
Speaker 3: now we understand what you guys were all saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you saw the outpoint of that on Sunday
Speaker 2: night in Rome where totally they're pounding on the table
Speaker 2: saying we want, we want lou Donald for for twenty
Speaker 2: five and I can't Maybe they've done that for other captains.
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember. They didn't do it for Harrington, I remember,
Speaker 2: but were there other like has that happened? Does that happen?
Speaker 1: They definitely didn't do it for Harrington, But I don't
Speaker 1: think they did it.
Speaker 3: I think they I think they tauted McGinley a bit.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they got to the point where
Speaker 3: they were saying he needs to be in line to
Speaker 3: do it again. But it felt like people were pretty
Speaker 3: pumped about McGinley. How by the way, Andy, how it
Speaker 3: amazing it would it be if Live offered Luke like
Speaker 3: two hundred million to come play.
Speaker 1: Just try and sabotage the Ryder Cup again?
Speaker 4: The momentum the uh I saw he was he posted
Speaker 4: a swing on it Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's like the first golf ball I've hit in a month.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, my number three, since we're talking European
Speaker 3: Ryder Cup, my number three is Jon Rahm. I just
Speaker 3: think when I'm talking about the five best years in golf,
Speaker 3: every year, I'm gonna put the Masters champion because how
Speaker 3: much weight it carries for that player, A you don't
Speaker 3: ever have to worry about winning it again because I mean,
Speaker 3: sure he'd love to win another one, but you're now
Speaker 3: in that club from this point forward. And it was
Speaker 3: on the heels of this epic run that I think
Speaker 3: is easy to forget. I mean, he wins the Century Tournament,
Speaker 3: almost champions, he wins amex RIV and he wins the Masters.
Speaker 3: I mean this run was incredible and also again like
Speaker 3: to not have to think about winning the Masters ever
Speaker 3: again as a young great player has got to have
Speaker 3: such a weight off the shoulders because like list players
Speaker 3: that haven't justin Thomas every week's got to think about it. Rory,
Speaker 3: every time we get to August has got to think
Speaker 3: about it until they win one. And as we've said
Speaker 3: so many times with Rory, every year goes by, it's
Speaker 3: harder for him to do it. And I think John
Speaker 3: Rahm was probably in the top three of that list
Speaker 3: that quote unquote needed to win a Masters and for
Speaker 3: him to get it as just to me, I mean,
Speaker 3: just defines a great year in an important year.
Speaker 4: I mean also the fashion that he did it, Like
Speaker 4: he body bagged Brooks on Sunday, on a long Sunday,
Speaker 4: you know, he just everybody was like, oh, this feels
Speaker 4: like Brooks, this is Brooks Major, quintessential Brooks Major Championship.
Speaker 4: And you know we saw that one one month later
Speaker 4: at the PGA, But on that Sunday, you know, he
Speaker 4: was the guy that walked away and just you know,
Speaker 4: he just basically took the belt from Brooks right well.
Speaker 2: And and every year, Shane I he always plays well
Speaker 2: somewhere at the beginning of the year, whether it's Hawaii
Speaker 2: or Palm Springs or maybe euro Tour. He'll have one
Speaker 2: great start and every year I'm like, oh, he's gonna
Speaker 2: win like six times this year, yep, and he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But this year this was the year where I mean
Speaker 2: he he he masters was what his fourth win of
Speaker 2: the year and did he win again?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, but still fou four in a year is I mean,
Speaker 2: that's like you win four, five, six in a year.
Speaker 2: That's kind of been the modern equivalent of the when
Speaker 2: VJ and Tiger were winning like seven or eight. You know,
Speaker 2: that's that's JT had the five Spieth had the five
Speaker 2: chef last year. The chuffear was what four three four
Speaker 2: last year? Yeah, And so you get one guy every year,
Speaker 2: maybe one every two years, that win four or five
Speaker 2: in a in a season, and that's yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: different level. I love your tweet during the Ryder Cup
Speaker 2: Shane about how you said something like I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know what the clutch or I don't know what
Speaker 2: being clutch is, but whatever however you define it like
Speaker 2: that's that's John Rong and I totally agree like it.
Speaker 2: It's it's like when the intensity gets turned up, he
Speaker 2: becomes even more of what he already is, which is
Speaker 2: which is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you think about thirty years from now, whatever
Speaker 3: the next generation of golf journalists are and whatever Wikipedia
Speaker 3: is in thirty years from now, you know, they're gonna
Speaker 3: look at Tory Pines and go, oh, John Ram win
Speaker 3: this us open handily, right, And to think about those
Speaker 3: putts at Tory, and then to think about the way
Speaker 3: he played on Sunday, playing alongside Brooks Kopka, It's just
Speaker 3: so hard to really contextualize what happened in the moment
Speaker 3: when you're just kind of looking at recaps or looking
Speaker 3: at finished leader boards and Rom makes these putts late.
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable. I mean, you know, I think there's
Speaker 3: a really good chance that Rom's gonna go down as
Speaker 3: the best player of this current crop or this current generation,
Speaker 3: especially if Scotty, you know, continues to not pile up
Speaker 3: the victories even though he finishes high. And so you know,
Speaker 3: for Rom just getting a Master's win, I just feel like,
Speaker 3: is it's the most pressure they face all year? And
Speaker 3: I think the Master Champions is always gonna be on
Speaker 3: my list.
Speaker 4: Here can I ask a question? This is something I
Speaker 4: struggle with. How do we delineate generations?
Speaker 1: Right? Like what's the age gap that we need?
Speaker 4: Because it's like, you know, are Rom and Rory in
Speaker 4: different generations?
Speaker 1: They feel like they are they are?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like there their careers, like you know, you know,
Speaker 4: Rory's now on the backside of his career, right versus
Speaker 4: rom still on the upside? Is that the way we
Speaker 4: because then there's all these overlaps, right. I always struggle
Speaker 4: with this, right, is how do you create Are Rory
Speaker 4: and DJ in the same career window?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: That seems like they were going at it? Is it
Speaker 4: when they're at their peak at the same time. Could
Speaker 4: there be a thirty year old that like the light
Speaker 4: bulb goes off and they are great from thirty to
Speaker 4: forty that match up with a twenty three year old
Speaker 4: who's great from twenty three to twenty eight, You know?
Speaker 4: Is is that how you match up generations in golf?
Speaker 4: It's hard because like the ages don't match up always
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 2: But I think generations are defined by players, and so
Speaker 2: you you almost have like whoever the player who defines
Speaker 2: that generation is you have five years in either direction
Speaker 2: and that's age range. So you went from what like
Speaker 2: Norman in the late eighties early nineties, and you had
Speaker 2: the Tiger generation, but the Tiger generation lasted a long time,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiger Phil Ernie VJ early two thousands. Then it's
Speaker 4: like twenty tens, was it the Martin Kaimer generation?
Speaker 3: Luke Donald Lee West with Martin Kimer so so weird,
Speaker 3: it was a weird time in golf. It's a really
Speaker 3: weird time.
Speaker 2: But I think I think the next generation is the
Speaker 2: Rory generation, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rory and DJ And then it feels like, now
Speaker 3: you've kind of.
Speaker 1: Got Ricky Ricky probably in there, yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: You went then you went speed JT to me, at
Speaker 3: least in the way I kind of look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: right now, it feels like it's kind of the.
Speaker 4: I think and Jena Speith and jt Rom and Scheffler
Speaker 4: in the same ones, same one, right, because like they're
Speaker 4: what three years older than those guys. It's just Speith
Speaker 4: played the best golf of his life at twenty one,
Speaker 4: and that's something we have to come to reconcile with, right.
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting is somebody like a Bubba Watson, like,
Speaker 2: who's whose generation is Bubba? And is he part of
Speaker 2: because he's what forty two forty three? Is he the
Speaker 2: is he the Tiger generation? He feels like.
Speaker 3: Range Goat generation? Am I just be the Goat generation?
Speaker 3: I mean? No, I think I think he's probably I
Speaker 3: think I would probably put him in DJ Rory generation
Speaker 3: at least the way I kind of look at it
Speaker 3: because to me, to his peak years were when Rory
Speaker 3: was peaking and when DJ was peaking, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was like what that Oakmont US Open
Speaker 4: was where he kind of like burst down the seal,
Speaker 4: right one, Yeah, that was what eight nine.
Speaker 2: Eight?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was like that was kind of his
Speaker 4: big it just like kind of Brooks opening. Big moment
Speaker 4: was Pinehurst twenty fourteen. Right, it almost precluded. It was
Speaker 4: like a little glimpse of what was coming.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I think ironically that was probably the best US Open
Speaker 4: Bubba ever played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. Yep. I think sometimes you
Speaker 2: can't define the generation until well, yeah, because you don't
Speaker 2: know who the best guy is until later and it's
Speaker 2: all predicated. I think it all depends on like whoever
Speaker 2: emerges as that best guy and then guys.
Speaker 3: Like Sale right, Like it's a floating scale there too,
Speaker 3: where some generations are fifteen years in summer four years.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's fair to say totally.
Speaker 2: I mean the yeah, the Tiger generation spanned a long
Speaker 2: way in either direction because he was the he was
Speaker 2: the the centerpiece. I mean, he was the middle of it,
Speaker 2: and so for because he was the middle for a lot.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of true of Rory, right. I
Speaker 2: think you've talked about this a lot. Andy, Like his
Speaker 2: greatest skill and DJ's greatest skill in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways is consistent, like consistent greatness over a sustained period
Speaker 2: of time. Like that's very very difficult, and that means
Speaker 2: that the that the Ry generation will be pretty wide
Speaker 2: when we talk about players that were in it, but
Speaker 2: then there's going to be another one. I think it'll
Speaker 2: end up being I mean, probably the wrong generation. But
Speaker 2: will there be somebody behind him that's like quick, like
Speaker 2: more cowa Hoblin, somebody like that that's five years younger
Speaker 2: and just as good that it gets transferred to that
Speaker 2: to that next player.
Speaker 4: The Rory thing's insane because he hasn't been ranked outside
Speaker 4: the top fifteen in the world since I think, oh
Speaker 4: nine mm hmm, so we're fourteen years in like, and
Speaker 4: I don't I don't foresee him being outside the top
Speaker 4: fifteen for probably at least I don't, you know, barring
Speaker 4: any injury setbacks, like five years, like we're talking about,
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's the thing with Tiger is like
Speaker 4: Tiger was like it was kind of ten years right,
Speaker 4: and then it was these like sparring moments a year here,
Speaker 4: two years off, a year here. You know that no there,
Speaker 4: Phil would be the only you know, real comparison in
Speaker 4: terms of long deevity. And that's the weird thing. It's like,
Speaker 4: is this is Phil still part of these generations? Because
Speaker 4: he's not obviously shook up golf pretty pretty substantially in
Speaker 4: this generation, Like, is he still part of this generation?
Speaker 2: I think? So I wrote this actually the Open this year,
Speaker 2: I think Rory is having Phil's career And that sounds
Speaker 2: weird because obviously stylistically and personality wise they're so they're
Speaker 2: so different, and I think people have always said, oh,
Speaker 2: Rory's the next Tiger, like we just got people got
Speaker 2: hooked on the like Rory's Tiger thing, which was you
Speaker 2: know just sort of I guess there was like a
Speaker 2: small window where you're like, oh, maybe, and and that's
Speaker 2: been pretty obviously not true for a while. But to
Speaker 2: have Phil's career in this era is like you might
Speaker 2: be one of the twelve best golfers ever, you know,
Speaker 2: And and I think that people get really hung up
Speaker 2: and wound up on the I don't want a major
Speaker 2: into you know, nine years thing. And it's like Phil
Speaker 2: had long periods where he didn't win majors, you know,
Speaker 2: but but the but the.
Speaker 3: Tiger did too, Kyle, I mean, I mean what Tiger
Speaker 3: went away to nineteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the reason that Phil is who he is is because,
Speaker 2: like Andy said, his sustained greatness over twenty five years,
Speaker 2: that piles up and at the end, like where did
Speaker 2: everybody just get They like Lebron will have a possession tonight.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, he might not be the best player ever.
Speaker 2: And you're like, can we maybe chill out a little bit?
Speaker 5: It's wait till the finals. Let's just wait till Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the Brock party discourse right now. To be bad.
Speaker 4: It's like every play I think it's like comical, like
Speaker 4: you know, he throws it in herself.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's not very good. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like they're five and two, they're still gonna make
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game. We'll see what happens then, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's and yeah, that's the thing I
Speaker 4: wrote something years ago, like I mean probably like six
Speaker 4: years ago about like how everybody wants to call Rory
Speaker 4: the next Tiger. It's the reality is he was. He's
Speaker 4: like Dominique Wilkins, right, Like Dominique Wilkins was like all
Speaker 4: time player who played the same era of Jordan.
Speaker 1: And it's like, what would that career look like?
Speaker 4: What how would people talk about Dominique if if Michael
Speaker 4: Jordan wasn't around, Because he was like a spectacle of
Speaker 4: of an of an athlete, of a of a player.
Speaker 4: He could go out and drop fifty on you. He
Speaker 4: you know, he had all these dunks and then he
Speaker 4: ran into Michael Jordan a bunch of times, like he
Speaker 4: was playing in the same conference as Michael Jordan. It's
Speaker 4: like that Clyde Drexler thing. Like with Clyde Dracon, people
Speaker 4: are like, he's the best shooting guard in the league,
Speaker 4: and then Jordan just takes him to the woodshed, you know,
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 3: Was all alone Ernie L's and Dustin Johnson's Haroline.
Speaker 1: Don't you dare insult Ernie Els Malone won amv.
Speaker 4: I just I'm just gonna say, you know, Ernie Els,
Speaker 4: if they never went away from the wound ball, who
Speaker 4: knows what Ernie Els would have done?
Speaker 2: Real quick? What what is? What comp what golf comp
Speaker 2: to another sport? Like player comp Are you most proud
Speaker 2: of that you've come up with. I've got one that
Speaker 2: I want to talk about. But you guys do this
Speaker 2: all the time with with NBA and and specifically with NBA,
Speaker 2: and there's got to be one that stands out to you.
Speaker 4: Andy Scheffler is Jokic. They are super awkward while they're
Speaker 4: doing it. Their bulk big and kind of like gangly,
Speaker 4: but but you watch it and you're like, wait, what's
Speaker 4: going on? And then it goes in or it's like
Speaker 4: an unbelievable pass. Like Scheffler, he's swinging at his feed
Speaker 4: or doing all this stuff, and it's like a flushed
Speaker 4: long iron that well, there's a long iron that doesn't
Speaker 4: sound flush, but it is flushed and it ends up
Speaker 4: five feet away.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a good I think.
Speaker 3: I think Ludwig and Wimby is something I've been kind
Speaker 3: of sitting on for a bit, you know, just just
Speaker 3: seeing what what pops with these two guys.
Speaker 4: Okay, honestly, I think like Ludwig, I almost put in
Speaker 4: one of my.
Speaker 3: Five interesting I think he's listen. I think he'd been
Speaker 3: worthy of a spot honestly.
Speaker 4: Well, like he wouldn't have a card right now. He
Speaker 4: didn't play well enough to have a car. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: it's this PGA Tour you thing just like it's like
Speaker 4: a gift from from heaven. Right, it's like, oh, here's
Speaker 4: here's your card for a year and a half and
Speaker 4: then like these guys are so it's so hard. I think, like,
Speaker 4: you know, like what's going to get lost on history
Speaker 4: is how great players had to play to get the cards,
Speaker 4: like the things that like John Rahm did, that Morikawa did,
Speaker 4: Matthew like these, yeah, exactly, Like when you have eight
Speaker 4: starts and it's like you need to gain the FedEx
Speaker 4: Cup points that people do over an entire season in
Speaker 4: eight starts and then you get your card. Is like
Speaker 4: that is like an unbelievable like the list of people
Speaker 4: that can do that, it's like super high pressure. Like
Speaker 4: and I think like now with this like this guarantees,
Speaker 4: I think it's a great change. I think the number
Speaker 4: one player on pg tour you should have a card,
Speaker 4: but you do lose a little bit of like that
Speaker 4: that accomplishment of the few players that could do it
Speaker 4: and get it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, KP.
Speaker 5: Who's your number three? Well, my comp I'm sorry, your comp.
Speaker 2: Sorry. I think Andy'll like this. JT and Bryce Harper.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. I like it.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can do it all generationally good
Speaker 2: from a young age, fulfilled the expectations, a lot of drama,
Speaker 2: a lot of emotion, a lot going on.
Speaker 4: There is there a slump in there for Bryce Harper
Speaker 4: at one point he's.
Speaker 2: Been he's been injured. I don't know if there I
Speaker 2: know if there's a slump.
Speaker 4: But JT a top ten player by the end and
Speaker 4: by this time next year.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, all right, this is the decade of JT.
Speaker 2: It might be the wrong decade actually, but poor declared
Speaker 2: that Scott or Brooks Brooks, Brooks, we don't have time
Speaker 2: for Brooks. Go ahead, number three Data golf, Data Golf.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So the reason for this is because they rank with
Speaker 2: player like my I don't disagree with what the ODEVGR
Speaker 2: has done recently in excluding live players. You're not measuring
Speaker 2: similar entities. I totally understand like why they've done what
Speaker 2: they've done, But for my purposes and our purposes, I
Speaker 2: need to be able to talk about who the best
Speaker 2: players in the world are, right like I I don't
Speaker 2: when I go to the US Open, I can't be
Speaker 2: discussing Bryson as if he's the two hundred and seventieth
Speaker 2: best player, Like that's that's preposterous. And so of course
Speaker 2: we have to have some objective some people would say subjective,
Speaker 2: but it's math, some objective measuring stick for all the
Speaker 2: all the golfers in the world and the what has
Speaker 2: happened in the vacuum of THEWG or in the absence
Speaker 2: of the ode WGR, including live players data golf ranking
Speaker 2: them has provided I think a ton of value for
Speaker 2: people like us and for fans that are like I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what to do. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like who's good and who's not, and whether you agree
Speaker 2: with their formulas or not. I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's provided a valuable tool for fans and media for
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 3: Totally agree with you. I think it's a great call.
Speaker 3: And I mean I I lean on it during broadcast, Kyle.
Speaker 3: I mean I will, like on a Friday broadcast if
Speaker 3: I'm doing PJ Tour, a major something like that, I'll
Speaker 3: bring up the cut line number that they're providing. I
Speaker 3: just feel like, you think needs to be more involved
Speaker 3: because what they're doing is amazing and it's in depth
Speaker 3: and obviously it's very accurate. And and I'll say this,
Speaker 3: like I had these one sheets Kyle my mom made
Speaker 3: because you know, like we're all basement bloggers at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, and like when I would do
Speaker 3: feature group stuff and it's the three players that I
Speaker 3: would do like on PJ Tour Live and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and I've had wins last four starts and then age
Speaker 3: and owgr was one of the things and I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about lately. It's like I can't use that anymore
Speaker 3: because no, to your point, when I'm when we're trying
Speaker 3: to quantify how good somebody is, that was what we
Speaker 3: could use. Right this guy's the eighth ranked player in
Speaker 3: the world, and now you can't really use that. And
Speaker 3: trying to define who Cam Smith as a golfer, we
Speaker 3: right now don't have a way to explain that outside
Speaker 3: of bringing up the open win.
Speaker 4: You know, I would say one of the big losers
Speaker 4: of the year was Taylor Gooch. You know, he made
Speaker 4: twenty million dollars, but I think, like when you look
Speaker 4: at Taylor.
Speaker 2: Gooch, I think he made thirty three Wait.
Speaker 1: Thirty three million.
Speaker 4: When you when you look at Taylor Gooch, he was
Speaker 4: like I I kept looking at him, I'm like, God,
Speaker 4: this guy profiles is really good player. He was good
Speaker 4: at everything. He obviously was is really good friends with
Speaker 4: Max Homa. I think he was a better player than
Speaker 4: Max when he went to Live and like, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's crazy that Taylor Gooch would be in a
Speaker 4: similar position to Max right now in the World Golf rankings.
Speaker 4: I have that profile of Max, probably not the popularity
Speaker 4: off the course and on the course, but have that
Speaker 4: profile of like this guy could be, you know, and
Speaker 4: instead he's not even gonna be playing in the Major
Speaker 4: sext year, right.
Speaker 2: You think he was better than Max when when he left.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, if you look
Speaker 1: at his.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his stats were he was He's a positive, he
Speaker 4: was good at everything, like a plus player in every
Speaker 4: facet of the game. Like he was a really like
Speaker 4: when you look at guys that are built for hard
Speaker 4: golf in major championship golf, like his his profile. I
Speaker 4: felt like when I just looked at it and I
Speaker 4: was like, this is a guy that's gonna pop soon,
Speaker 4: and this is you know, two plus years ago and
Speaker 4: now he's popping, but him going getting like no matter
Speaker 4: what you say about live like he did some he played,
Speaker 4: had a great year, right, Yeah, and it didn't matter
Speaker 4: because it gets him into nothing legacy wise. It does
Speaker 4: matter from like, hey, he's got generational wealth and I'm
Speaker 4: not going to discount that, like his family set up
Speaker 4: forever now, but you know he did miss out on
Speaker 4: all the other carrots of what playing great golf gets you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And I think that the other thing that
Speaker 2: happens with Livin somebody maybe Dan Rappaport wrote about this
Speaker 2: at the US Open last year, is you don't get
Speaker 2: the like Max is a better player because he plays
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour and has to beat guys like
Speaker 2: Rory spith Ram Scheffler, right, and Gooch obviously is a
Speaker 2: very good player. Data golf would say he's a top
Speaker 2: twenty five player, a top thirty player, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and I would agree with that. But I don't think
Speaker 2: he I don't think he's reached his potential. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's reached a ceiling of what he could be
Speaker 2: if he was learning how to beat guys like Rom Scheffler,
Speaker 2: more Cawa Hoblin. And that's a bummer because I think
Speaker 2: one of the reasons we watch sports is to watch
Speaker 2: guys a late like attempt to fulfill their potential. And
Speaker 2: Goucha's doing that monetarily, which is great. Again, great for him,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that he's doing it on the
Speaker 2: golf side, which I think we would all agree leads
Speaker 2: to winning major championships.
Speaker 3: It's like when you win a championship and the other
Speaker 3: guys are injured, right, and it's like, you still got
Speaker 3: the championship. I mean, I think about the Toronto Championship
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: After.
Speaker 3: They were the best team in the NBA that year
Speaker 3: and they were unbelievable, but they played this Warriors team
Speaker 3: that's losing players by the minute, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that last series wasn't the definable moment you were hoping for.
Speaker 3: It was just you were playing a team that was
Speaker 3: kind of you know, littered with injury, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you kind of walk into the into the championship.
Speaker 2: There you're gonna go out to my rockets next, aren't
Speaker 2: you winning championships?
Speaker 5: Never? Noj was playing baseball.
Speaker 4: It's fine, Just what's uh, what's what's your number two?
Speaker 4: Who's that for number two? I feel like it's a bacon, bacon,
Speaker 4: you go all right? My number two is Victor Hovland.
Speaker 4: He made thirty four plus million dollars playing golf this year.
Speaker 1: He earned us as much as goo.
Speaker 4: He earned one point series effectively one point five million
Speaker 4: for every event he teed it up in and uh
Speaker 4: and twenty thousand dollars for every hole he played, five
Speaker 4: thousand dollars per shot. Kind of crazy, insane obviously. Then
Speaker 4: you know, like on top of the FedEx Cup and
Speaker 4: he was awesome. I think there's a big question like
Speaker 4: about you know, you look at him as like can
Speaker 4: he be a major championship player? And then he plays
Speaker 4: great in the majors. He didn't win one, but it's like, God,
Speaker 4: he's on like your short list maybe top five guys.
Speaker 4: He took chipping, he was an awful, awful chipper and
Speaker 4: he's become a good chipper of the golf ball. Like,
Speaker 4: you look at this guy and it feels like he
Speaker 4: is built to continue to get better for the next
Speaker 4: five years, and I don't think that's like every player.
Speaker 4: I think we fall into the trap with golf, and
Speaker 4: it happens from like a junior level. Is who's the
Speaker 4: best at at fourteen doesn't mean they're gonna be the
Speaker 4: best at eighteen. Who's the best at twenty two isn't
Speaker 4: gonna be the best at twenty six. To me, Victor
Speaker 4: Holin's a guy that like he seems to progress every
Speaker 4: year and seems to continue to get better, and that's
Speaker 4: a scary thing when you're already one of the best
Speaker 4: players in the world. Also hearing reports that, you know,
Speaker 4: the single Victor Holin, single man is is potentially dipping
Speaker 4: his toe of getting out of the still water singles
Speaker 4: market and you know and so and moving to South Florida.
Speaker 4: So that could be really good for his personal life
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three or bad or bad?
Speaker 3: That bubbling that bubble in Oklahoma my play.
Speaker 2: You know, I used to comment on any of this.
Speaker 3: I'll say this about the chipping and Kyle at the
Speaker 3: Ryder Cup. You know, you think about all this stuff
Speaker 3: we said about Victor around the greens and first hole
Speaker 3: of the first match, and he chips in and you
Speaker 3: go just a different dude. Like the confidence is just
Speaker 3: at a completely different place. It's almost like he's a
Speaker 3: different human, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's so I think it's a I think
Speaker 2: it's very, very difficult to rise to the level that
Speaker 2: he's risen to and maintain your likability in the way
Speaker 2: that he has. He's almost more beloved now than when
Speaker 2: you know, people knew about him as the twenty fifth
Speaker 2: best player in the world, and he's just he's he's
Speaker 2: very marketable, very likable, and I'm very interesting. He changed
Speaker 2: my mind the most about him of anybody in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. I always have, like one guy a year
Speaker 2: change changes my mind the most about them. I think
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two is Matt Fitzpatrick Bryson. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You can go back year by year
Speaker 2: for me in twenty three. In twenty twenty three it
Speaker 2: was Victor Hotlin.
Speaker 3: It's a great point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy too, because like you say that, it's
Speaker 4: like it's not Wyndham Clark who won a US Open
Speaker 4: over Scottie Scheffler and Rory Macklroy, like on Sunday beat
Speaker 4: Rory Macklroy Scottie Scheffler and you know Ricky, I think
Speaker 4: everybody kind of expected what he was going to do happen,
Speaker 4: but like this is a guy, you know, Wyndam Clark.
Speaker 4: I feel like he almost made my list, but because
Speaker 4: of like you know, out of nowhere, he wasn't even
Speaker 4: like in big events at yeah, in May of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, and now he's in the top ten of
Speaker 4: the world, a major champion.
Speaker 1: Right upper Yeah, Ryder Copper. But like Victor Hovelin.
Speaker 4: To me was was just like what you said, change
Speaker 4: your perception of him as a player this year.
Speaker 3: Andy, my number two were talking NBA earlier, my number
Speaker 3: two Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: Oh, I almost put him in here.
Speaker 4: I knew you were getting nervous about this when we
Speaker 4: were talking before the KP.
Speaker 3: Before you jumped on. He was asking me Steph stuff.
Speaker 3: So on the golf course, he wins in Tahoe, he
Speaker 3: makes a hole in one that week, and he makes
Speaker 3: an eagle on the last hole, which is legitimately bananas.
Speaker 3: I went back and watched the eagle last night, so
Speaker 3: it's like forty feet he makes on the last green.
Speaker 3: It's like so.
Speaker 5: Silly, but I mean more important. Than obviously his golf is.
Speaker 3: You know, he wins the Charlie Sifferd Award, He's launched
Speaker 3: underrated golf. I mean, he's helped bring golf to the
Speaker 3: Howard University. He's involved in TGL. Like to me, I
Speaker 3: think you and I all, I think all three of
Speaker 3: us probably roll our eyes multiple times a day when
Speaker 3: you hear the term grow the game. But it feels
Speaker 3: like Steph Curry a few years ago was like, what
Speaker 3: can I do with my popularity in life and in
Speaker 3: the United States right now to build golf in areas
Speaker 3: that need golfer could use golf. And I feel like
Speaker 3: he's really done that. And I think it's easy for
Speaker 3: people to do what you're comfortable doing. And when I
Speaker 3: say that, I mean Steph building basketball in areas or
Speaker 3: going out and you know, like rep saving courts that
Speaker 3: need to be repaved. But to just go out and
Speaker 3: branch yourself out into a completely different endeavor is so
Speaker 3: hard to do. And I give him a ton of
Speaker 3: credit for doing all that he's doing. So Steph's my
Speaker 3: number two.
Speaker 4: Hey, can we talk about the U s G A
Speaker 4: scheduling for the Sifford Award. Do you know during the
Speaker 4: NBA Finals during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5: Is that right?
Speaker 1: What I thought you wanted.
Speaker 2: I thought you wanted to talk about like the mid
Speaker 2: am or like the four ball or something.
Speaker 3: When is the When is the fore ball? Is it
Speaker 3: before or after the girls junior?
Speaker 4: The four ball schedule makes no sense to me. Ever,
Speaker 4: you qualify the year before.
Speaker 2: I've been saying I've been saying this either now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but anyways, they they scheduled Steph's big
Speaker 4: thing for the Sifford Award the week of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: I mean, what what are we doing?
Speaker 3: We're you can take that, you can take the ceremony,
Speaker 3: you can roll it out, you can you can talk
Speaker 3: to the NBA. I mean, I think it makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense because all you can do is just
Speaker 3: lean on the NBA and kind of and kind of
Speaker 3: boost what you're trying to do.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe they're expecting the Hornets to be in the
Speaker 4: other team.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, he could pull the reverse fill
Speaker 2: and just fly from from California to Pinehurst.
Speaker 3: Well, I also appreciate you guys are just putting the
Speaker 3: Warriors in the NBA Finals right now.
Speaker 5: This is amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm not putting them I'm just saying they got a
Speaker 4: good chance. It's like, what if there's six teams that
Speaker 4: have a chance, they're one of them. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 4: who's your number two? Do you have a hard stop
Speaker 4: or we even could get through this exercise?
Speaker 3: You're good, I got I got ten minutes Warriors, by
Speaker 3: the way, or I have at the fourth best odds
Speaker 3: to win the West right now?
Speaker 1: Anyway, basically an injury away from being the favorites.
Speaker 3: That's I don't think that's actually okay.
Speaker 2: My number two is somebody that played in the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2: But I really latched onto this idea of what Andy
Speaker 2: was talking about or has talked about with Can't and
Speaker 2: and some of these guys of man being in the
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup is such an opportunity for the rest of
Speaker 2: your career. You you were always in forever a writer Cup.
Speaker 2: And so the person that I thought parlayed that better
Speaker 2: than anybody was big shot Bobby mack Wow. Like he
Speaker 2: didn't even I mean, he's like, like, let's just be
Speaker 2: objective here. He's not that good at golf.
Speaker 5: He's just not yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna come after you.
Speaker 4: I thought you thought Memphis was bad, just like the
Speaker 4: people on iron.
Speaker 3: The tweet was actually complimenting Scotland and he's going back
Speaker 3: at Scotland.
Speaker 2: It was port Rush. It was poor Rush.
Speaker 3: Sorry sorry, sorry port Rush.
Speaker 2: Uh So, just just just lay of the numbers, look
Speaker 2: at the data golf, look at my number three. He's
Speaker 2: objectively like, not that great at golf, and yet he
Speaker 2: was involved in two of the best golf moments of
Speaker 2: the year. One at the scottischopin nearly beating Rory there
Speaker 2: with the shot of his and anybody else's life from
Speaker 2: the junk with the three would I mean, it was extraordinary.
Speaker 2: And then winning two and a half points at the
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup. That changes your life. I mean it changes
Speaker 2: your year for sure. But it's like what you do
Speaker 2: in ten years is predicated on winning two and a
Speaker 2: half points at the twenty twenty three Ryder Cup. That
Speaker 2: sounds crazy, but over and over again it's proven to
Speaker 2: be true, especially for guys that are not the ROMs
Speaker 2: and Rory's and Tigers of the world. You know, like
Speaker 2: that completely changed your life. And I thought he took
Speaker 2: advantage of a very opportunistic situation this year.
Speaker 3: I think about Jamie Donaldson a lot kp in that
Speaker 3: regard where. Yeah, when you think about Jamie Donaldson's career,
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of go to the putt to
Speaker 3: win the Ryder Cup, right, and it's like it's who
Speaker 3: you will be in golf circles for kind of the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. And I think for Bobby Mack,
Speaker 3: there's a real good chance that in twenty years from now,
Speaker 3: when we're talking about his career, twenty twenty three is
Speaker 3: going to be the year we talk about. And to
Speaker 3: your point, the swings that you mentioned are going to
Speaker 3: be kind of the swings that stick out of everything
Speaker 3: else he's done in his career.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: All right, Number one, I got a great one.
Speaker 2: I'll just go. I'll go. I got somebody I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure neither of you have ever heard of before as
Speaker 2: my number one. All Right, I'm going back to the goats.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Taylor Gooch's caddie. Mal Baker is his name.
Speaker 3: This guy, he's got three million bucks.
Speaker 2: This guy signs up with Taylor Googe out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: Taylor Gooch has a fine career at OSU. I don't
Speaker 2: know how he's been on the bag, but you know
Speaker 2: you're getting on a bag where you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: guy would be a good PJA tour player for a while,
Speaker 2: I might make a decent living and have a have
Speaker 2: a nice you know, run with him. And now, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, in the last two years, I'm not
Speaker 2: totally sure how to add all this up. We've got
Speaker 2: team money, we've got individual money, you've got signing bonuses,
Speaker 2: You've got I don't I don't know what the numbers are,
Speaker 2: but from what I could put together, Taylor Goridge made
Speaker 2: over forty million dollars over the last two years. So
Speaker 2: if you're this this mal Baker fellow, who's caddying, who's
Speaker 2: carrying the clubs, you don't. One you've made what three
Speaker 2: and a half four million dollars for over two years,
Speaker 2: so you're you're rich by most of our definition of it.
Speaker 2: And two, you can justify the whole Live Saudi thing
Speaker 2: because you just work for Taylor Gooch. You don't even
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't even work. You don't you're not
Speaker 2: part of the league. Really, you're just carrying your boss's clubs.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a it's an unbelievable situation
Speaker 2: that he finds himself in, and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cons I provide a little interlude here.
Speaker 4: Sure, can you imagine how good Rory would be if
Speaker 4: mal Baker was carrying back?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 5: Here we are.
Speaker 4: Maybe my least favorite comment of of of Eddie and
Speaker 4: Golf is like, can you imagine how good so and
Speaker 4: so would be with so and so?
Speaker 1: Caddy?
Speaker 2: This is your soapbox for one of many, but it's
Speaker 2: it's one of your top showboxes, KP.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great pick. I really do. I
Speaker 3: love where you went with it. I think it's really smart.
Speaker 3: It's maybe been kind of a weird year for caddies
Speaker 3: in general, or maybe a great year for caddies, however
Speaker 3: you want to look at it. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it's I think this caddies could be a winner here
Speaker 3: in the sphere. It's a really really good pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, caddies in general are a winner.
Speaker 4: You go to like, yes, caddies are so I mean,
Speaker 4: caddies are getting for one bag what I used to
Speaker 4: get paid for two. Like I feel like an old
Speaker 4: man now because this is what my dad used to
Speaker 4: say to me when I caddy. I got four dollars
Speaker 4: a bag, you know, but like literally, the rates for
Speaker 4: a regular caddy. I mean, and obviously I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to go after caddy fees here. It costs a lot
Speaker 4: to live in today's bottom Canada.
Speaker 2: Who else have we gone after Scott.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma taking a bit of females and Oklahoma taking a
Speaker 3: shot today.
Speaker 2: So from Oklahoma, by the way, So congrats on that.
Speaker 3: It's a tough situation after the pod, I mean, your wife,
Speaker 3: your wife being brought up twice on the pod, and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure either she's gonna love, but hey, you
Speaker 3: know what, that's the price you pay.
Speaker 4: You're guessing she's not listening to the the Frida Egg golf.
Speaker 3: She's not this steep into it.
Speaker 2: She she doesn't even read. She reads like one thing
Speaker 2: a year that I write. So she's for sure not
Speaker 2: listening to the Frida Egg podcast.
Speaker 4: My wife came to a live show years ago, probably
Speaker 4: four years ago. It was a shotgun start live show.
Speaker 4: She she had never listened to a podcast before, and afterwards,
Speaker 4: like any podcast or a Friday if any podcast I've
Speaker 4: got a part of. After she was like that was
Speaker 4: so good, and I was like, oh, thanks.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's always great when they're like surprised by I
Speaker 2: can't believe how good that was.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, well people listen to this. That's interesting. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's really cool.
Speaker 1: KP.
Speaker 5: I loved your number one.
Speaker 3: My number one to me, I think, okay, guys, we
Speaker 3: love the majors, we love the Ryder Cup, Like this
Speaker 3: is kind of what we live for in this space.
Speaker 3: Right when you cover golf, the non major championship golf
Speaker 3: is not as interested it used to be. Still can
Speaker 3: be interesting, but for the most part it gets interested
Speaker 3: on Saturday and Sundays. This has not been a great
Speaker 3: major year. It is not no on the midside of things.
Speaker 3: It was a sleepy major year, rare if at all.
Speaker 3: Was there interesting stuff happening on the final few holes
Speaker 3: The Ryder Cup, to be fair, wasn't that close. It
Speaker 3: had its moment, as it always does. But I'm flipping
Speaker 3: to the women's side and the LPGA because when I
Speaker 3: think about twenty three, I think the big winner of
Speaker 3: the year is Lily Avo. She's now world number one,
Speaker 3: she won two majors. In twenty twenty three, she took
Speaker 3: the mantle as the best American women's golfer in the world.
Speaker 3: She won another event in twenty three. She's been a
Speaker 3: second a couple of weeks ago. Didn't have her best
Speaker 3: solimn Cup, but she did win her singles match, which
Speaker 3: few American players were able to do. I feel like
Speaker 3: twenty three was the year of Lilya. I think she
Speaker 3: deserves the flowers for what she did in the major championships.
Speaker 3: And again going back to what I said on the
Speaker 3: men's side, nothing stands out on the men's side. I
Speaker 3: think Lilia was excellent on the women's side, and she's
Speaker 3: my number one story in person of twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: in golf.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think this is a little premature
Speaker 4: because she hasn't won the race to the CME Globe
Speaker 4: yet fair enough, but yes, she was in contention for
Speaker 4: one of my spots, would have been one of my
Speaker 4: honorable mentions. Has had a fantastic year and I think
Speaker 4: it kind of came out of nowhere too, right, which
Speaker 4: is extra Like you always love those you know runs
Speaker 4: in the number one that you didn't see coming at all.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what was she ranked at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year. I mean, she was a give
Speaker 2: me a moment. I presume she was like a top
Speaker 2: what forty player, but not like a top five.
Speaker 3: Her worst ranking this year KP this year was forty
Speaker 3: third this year. Yeah, so at some point in twenty
Speaker 3: three she was ranked forty third, which seems wild and
Speaker 3: I mean it doesn't necessarily seem like it's totally accurate,
Speaker 3: but I mean, going back to like the summer, going
Speaker 3: back to la she was ranked twelfth in the world.
Speaker 4: So you know, guys, that would be like Sepstraca becoming
Speaker 4: the number one player in the world next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Min see who Kim.
Speaker 2: Min wy is currently ranked forty third.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you go to there, if you
Speaker 3: go to if you go to early twenty three, I
Speaker 3: see she was ranked thirty third, So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: like maybe it's accurate, maybe it's not, but I mean
Speaker 3: early year the top thirty in the world.
Speaker 1: What if Corey Connors was the number one player in
Speaker 1: the world at this time year?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 1: I mean, when does go to the broom?
Speaker 4: I should have had the broom putter as one of
Speaker 4: one of the things on my five, just.
Speaker 5: That one that everybody used to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, my last one. I can't believe it's
Speaker 4: not on your list. Maybe you kept it off because
Speaker 4: you do be number one on my list is our
Speaker 4: our friend, Blockie boy, Michael Block, the number one winner
Speaker 4: in golf this year. I think it's gonna be extraordinary.
Speaker 4: I I think it's an amazing thing. This is an
Speaker 4: amazing thing about the PGA in general, that that you
Speaker 4: have this wrinkle with club pros. It's amazing for a
Speaker 4: guy who's, you know, in his mid forties to go
Speaker 4: out and finish fifteenth in a major to effectively have
Speaker 4: the greatest golf week of his life and the most
Speaker 4: important golf week of his life. That intersection rarely happen.
Speaker 4: It rarely happens for anyone. But then this whole thing,
Speaker 4: this Block phenomenon, this happened afterwards. It's just it's unlike
Speaker 4: anything I've ever seen before. I mean, I think this
Speaker 4: is not gonna end anytime soon. I think four years
Speaker 4: from now, Michael Block's still gonna be making appearances at
Speaker 4: like sporting events. So he's at the Anaheim Ducks game
Speaker 4: the other day. It's like, what's the cross section of
Speaker 4: hockey fans Michael Block fans? But like four years from now,
Speaker 4: these things are still gonna be going on and people
Speaker 4: are gonna be like, wait, what did who's Michael Block? Oh,
Speaker 4: he made a whole one and finished ten fifteenth at
Speaker 4: the PGA four years ago. But he has definitely made
Speaker 4: the most. It is a story of having your fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes of fame, maybe more than fifteen. It was like
Speaker 4: three days of fame and just and just getting everything
Speaker 4: out of it. I mean, and I think for all
Speaker 4: intensive purposes, his personality has been terrific for it. He
Speaker 4: has the right demeanor, the right attitude to effectively ingratiate
Speaker 4: himself with all these different organizations they now works with. Like,
Speaker 4: it has been a crazy run for Michael block and
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three will always be the year.
Speaker 1: For a Blocky.
Speaker 2: For me, what do you think he tells people that
Speaker 2: he does, Like when he's at a party.
Speaker 1: I used to think, is is he a pro golfer anymore?
Speaker 2: Well, That's what I'm saying, is like when when when
Speaker 2: I'm at a party and somebody's like, what do you do?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I write about golf that in my spare time.
Speaker 2: I catch it. Yeah. Uh. But when he's at a
Speaker 2: party and somebody's like, hey, what do you do? I mean,
Speaker 2: is does he say I'm I'm a I'm an in Like, Like,
Speaker 2: what is his what's his deal, what's his role?
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's it's it's gotta be pro golfer.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's easy to forget how awesome
Speaker 3: that Sunday was at the PGA because of all that's
Speaker 3: happened since and like the Rory comments and things like that,
Speaker 3: but like it was, it was my favorite moment of
Speaker 3: the broadcast the whole year that I was a part of.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm on.
Speaker 3: The featured whole coverage for esp Plus or whatever and
Speaker 3: he flies it in the hole. It's like I went bananas.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just so much fun to see
Speaker 3: that happen. And Andy, I mean, you and I had
Speaker 3: dreams back in the day of like maybe playing golf
Speaker 3: for living, or maybe we qualify for this or that.
Speaker 3: Michael Block's like the best case scenario. Yes, what we
Speaker 3: thought of.
Speaker 1: It's insane. I mean, like that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Like, I just think that because of everything that's happened,
Speaker 4: one of the things that's gonna become like under talked
Speaker 4: about and underrated is what he actually did.
Speaker 1: At that DGA.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: He hit at two sixty on this course that rewarded
Speaker 4: distance too, and he finished ten fifteen, he hits it nowhere.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I wonder, sometimes we live in a
Speaker 3: we live in a world now where if there's a
Speaker 3: glimmer of fame or potential, everybody's gonna come and try
Speaker 3: to grab a piece of it, right, And it's up
Speaker 3: to you and your representation or your team around you
Speaker 3: to kind of, you know, filter through what you want
Speaker 3: to do and what you don't want to do. And
Speaker 3: I think it's so easy to say yes to everything
Speaker 3: because with everything comes money and finances and stability and
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. I wonder if for Blockie,
Speaker 3: if just peace Sia, I'm gonna forever be this legend
Speaker 3: of golf that played so well at this golf course
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have played well at But every time he
Speaker 3: teas it up and plays in these golf tournaments and
Speaker 3: doesn't play well, it's a reminder of how incredible Andy
Speaker 3: to your point, what he was able to do at
Speaker 3: Oakhill was actually what it actually was, right. It's like
Speaker 3: you go play in some of these other golf tournaments
Speaker 3: that maybe make more sense for your golf game, and
Speaker 3: you shoot seventy eight or eighty and you miss the
Speaker 3: cut and it almost kind of pulls away from what
Speaker 3: you're able to do. It's like John Daly at Crooked
Speaker 3: Stick in the modern world, right, or Daily pops up
Speaker 3: wins the PGA, and you're like that cannot happen. And
Speaker 3: for John Daily, he was just able to his talent
Speaker 3: was able to carry.
Speaker 5: Him through to more success.
Speaker 3: And for Blockie it was only gonna be a disappointment
Speaker 3: on the golf course after what he was able to
Speaker 3: do with that peach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder like how just objectively, how good
Speaker 2: he actually, like, like how much better at golf is
Speaker 2: he than somebody like you, Shane, you know you.
Speaker 5: Call it that way better, like like a mile like
Speaker 5: miles better?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I mean, like but he like like Kyle
Speaker 3: the numbers he post and like how he's able to
Speaker 3: casually go out there and shoot sixty two and sixty
Speaker 3: three and sixty four play in his club or wherever.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is an unbelievable golfer. This is like
Speaker 3: the Stu Hagastad question, Right, you get asked to lap
Speaker 3: how good is Stu Hagastad, Like Stu Hagastad is an
Speaker 3: unbelievable like like best player in certain states level of golfer.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, but he's yeah,
Speaker 2: but he but he's like so far from the guys
Speaker 2: that he beat that.
Speaker 4: Well, I I don't know. I I think like Michael Block,
Speaker 4: So I think this is a valuable comparison. So for years,
Speaker 4: so Michael Block's running rough shot over the Southern or
Speaker 4: Southern California PGA section great player section, like great players.
Speaker 4: Mike Small like absolutely utterly dominated the Illinois PGA section
Speaker 4: for a while and during this time, so Mike Small
Speaker 4: is the head coach of the U I team during
Speaker 4: like a period of time, I think it was like
Speaker 4: around like four to nine, Mike Small had like the
Speaker 4: second best made cuts percentage on the PGA Tour to
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods at the same period of time. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying I think Mike Small is probably a better player
Speaker 4: than Michael Block. Like Mike Small was out there making
Speaker 4: cuts and PGAs and doing this stuff while also like
Speaker 4: coaching a golf program where he's you know, so anyways,
Speaker 4: I think he's a very good player, Like could he
Speaker 4: be a good like a could he compete on like
Speaker 4: maybe the.
Speaker 1: What do they call it, the Americas Tour?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Probably like I think he could go play there, and
Speaker 4: but like, I think he makes more money playing. I
Speaker 4: think he's playing where he makes the most money. He's
Speaker 4: not good enough to be a PGA Tour player, but
Speaker 4: these section events can be very very lucrative, right, Like
Speaker 4: if you if you're the best player in your section there,
Speaker 4: there's good money to be had on top of doing
Speaker 4: other things right, And he.
Speaker 1: Like he said during the week, he doesn't even go.
Speaker 1: He doesn't teach, you know, He's like, I give lessons
Speaker 1: to like just the people I like.
Speaker 3: Right, if I set the over under on Champs Tour
Speaker 3: starts for Michael Block at forty five and a half,
Speaker 3: or you take an over or under.
Speaker 2: I mean, does he have to qull how does he
Speaker 2: get in?
Speaker 4: Well, he's keep in mind his one exemption. His first
Speaker 4: exemption was the Charles Schwab and they run the Champions Tour,
Speaker 4: so will Center to be there?
Speaker 2: Interesting? I think you guys know Spencer Hall's idea that
Speaker 2: there should be a regular human that swims in the
Speaker 2: Olympics and runs in like the four hundred and stuff.
Speaker 2: I think I think Bacon's job going forward should be
Speaker 2: to just travel around and play in tour events. And
Speaker 2: then but in your downtime you go play with I
Speaker 2: mean we I've played with you, your your well both
Speaker 2: of you guys, but Beacan's probably the best, best like
Speaker 2: amateur I've ever played with. And to see what would
Speaker 2: happen if you went out like in the PGA Championship,
Speaker 2: I think it would blow people's minds, Like like the
Speaker 2: differentiation between you who They'd be like, oh, this guy's awesome,
Speaker 2: and even a Michael Block or and then obviously beyond that,
Speaker 2: I think it would just be like shocking to witness.
Speaker 3: The setup at Cherry Hills for the Amateur this year
Speaker 3: and having to in a tournament environment, having to try
Speaker 3: to figure out how to just hit certain golf shots.
Speaker 3: It was like one of the weirdest moments I've ever
Speaker 3: had in my life, was standing over a golf ball, going,
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to get this ball out
Speaker 3: of this lie, you know. I mean, it was such
Speaker 3: a shock to the system of what I thought championship
Speaker 3: golf would feel like versus what it actually feels like.
Speaker 3: I mean, everything I'd ever thought about US Opens I've covered,
Speaker 3: and US amateurs I've covered, and you see a guy
Speaker 3: make a six and match play and you'd kind of
Speaker 3: criticize him maybe a bit as he was walking to
Speaker 3: the next tee. And then you're in that moment and
Speaker 3: it's like, this isn't even the same sport, Like I'm
Speaker 3: not what I'm being asked to do on this golf
Speaker 3: course in these conditions. It's not even tournament golf. It's
Speaker 3: like a completely different you know, it's a different layer
Speaker 3: that I've never seen. It's like how you know, you
Speaker 3: you think you've been to the VIP room, and then
Speaker 3: it's like no, no, no, no, no, there's like another room
Speaker 3: that the like real celebrities go to that they don't
Speaker 3: even open the door for somebody that's not Lebron or Shaq,
Speaker 3: you know, or Lady Gaga. It's like that's a different
Speaker 3: level of experience. I mean, that's what it kind of
Speaker 3: felt like to me. It was just it was And
Speaker 3: then you know, you'd see these guy likes Garrett, like
Speaker 3: Gordon Sargent goes out and shoots like sixty eight and
Speaker 3: you go, wait, wait, wait, what the hell? Like when
Speaker 3: when Hagastad had to battle back after I made the
Speaker 3: ten at Colorado Golf and he shot like four or
Speaker 3: five under at Cherry, you know, and you're going, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: I'm my goal is to break eighty, you know, Like
Speaker 3: my goal starting the day is like I just want
Speaker 3: to break eighty here, you know. And these other guys
Speaker 3: have the have the skill set to be able to
Speaker 3: go out there and still shoot four or five under well.
Speaker 2: And this is the I think this is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite things about golf in general, is that you
Speaker 2: will never understand how good Derreck Henry is because you
Speaker 2: can't go play recreational football, right right, So there's no
Speaker 2: there's no relationship with how good he is to how
Speaker 2: good you are. But there is a relationship between how
Speaker 2: good you are and how good Nick Dunlap is, and
Speaker 2: then how good you know Ben Griffin, how much better
Speaker 2: Ben Griffin is than Nick Dunlap, and then beyond you know,
Speaker 2: like there's that relationship I think makes golf. It's not relatable,
Speaker 2: that's not the right word, but there is a relationship
Speaker 2: there that gives you an appreciation for all of this
Speaker 2: that you I don't think you get in any other sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I don't get asked to this anymore because that's probably
Speaker 4: a good barometer of where my golf game's at these days.
Speaker 4: But people always used to ask, like, what what's the
Speaker 4: difference between you and a tour pro? And I'm like,
Speaker 4: they're literally way better at every single aspect of golf
Speaker 4: than me. And I think that's like, you know, like
Speaker 4: Bacon hits the shit out of the ball like murders it,
Speaker 4: but you'd be a below average driver of the golf
Speaker 4: ball and the PGA Tour because of like accuracy, right,
Speaker 4: Like I mean absolutely, I mean it, and it's like crazy,
Speaker 4: you hit it three twenty easy, Like it's like this
Speaker 4: is like this is what people don't understand. It's like
Speaker 4: you could hit it really far, but like those guys
Speaker 4: hit it so straight.
Speaker 3: Like the great drivers of the golf ball hit it
Speaker 3: so straight. I mean I've told this story before, but
Speaker 3: during the pandemic, Max and I would play this money
Speaker 3: game in Arizona every Monday because it was like one
Speaker 3: of the only things you could do right was go
Speaker 3: play golf. And this golf course is in central Phoenix,
Speaker 3: is called Papago and it's got three part threes that
Speaker 3: are two thirty plus, you know, And I mean Andy
Speaker 3: and I are standing on the tee of a two
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five yard part three, and it's like
Speaker 3: try to hit the green, you know, or or try
Speaker 3: to miss it in the right spot where you can
Speaker 3: maybe make three. And my buddy Ashton would play with us,
Speaker 3: who played college golf and played many tour golf and
Speaker 3: is unbelievable, and we would literally be laughing to ourselves
Speaker 3: walking off the tee at how close Max would hit
Speaker 3: it with this four iron and five iron every single time.
Speaker 3: This wasn't one shot around, this was all three of
Speaker 3: the par threes we'd play where Max is hitting three iron,
Speaker 3: four iron, five iron into these par threes and he's
Speaker 3: hitting at ten feet and he's hitting a whole high
Speaker 3: ten feet and it was just the the approach with
Speaker 3: his mind was just so different, like his expectation was
Speaker 3: almost a different game, you know, not just what he
Speaker 3: was able to do with the golf ball, but the
Speaker 3: expectation on what I'm going to do on this part
Speaker 3: three was I'm going to give myself a chance at two,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're just we're trying, we're trying helplessly
Speaker 3: to not make five.
Speaker 2: I played in a pro am with with Ricky one
Speaker 2: year at Colonial No.
Speaker 1: Ricky Barnes.
Speaker 3: Kfie is the one guy that hadn't worked with Barnesy
Speaker 3: on a telecast on this podcast.
Speaker 1: We didn't get it. You never worked with a man
Speaker 1: that's called twenty minutes about college golf. Should have called
Speaker 1: him in facility.
Speaker 2: So the Oklahoma State Ricky is the one that I
Speaker 2: played with. And the power. You know, you see these
Speaker 2: guys and you're like, oh, they're just crazy long, and
Speaker 2: that is true. They do have a lot of power.
Speaker 2: But are you gonna be okay? Andy?
Speaker 1: I'm just remembering walking down. I think I was on
Speaker 1: the eighth fell of the Pacific Dudes when he started
Speaker 1: talking about about about college golf facilities and then I
Speaker 1: was on the ninth fairway when.
Speaker 3: He Love Ricky Barnes.
Speaker 1: I love Ricky Barnes. He was great. He was a
Speaker 1: great person to work with. But I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Sorry, It's not the power, it's the it's the control.
Speaker 2: Like the the amount of control those guys have over
Speaker 2: their ball is like their misses for us would be
Speaker 2: an amazing dispersion rate, right and and and it's just
Speaker 2: that that was the part that blew me away, is
Speaker 2: how much they were able to control the all in
Speaker 2: the air, even though they had already hit they'd already
Speaker 2: hit it, and it was almost like they were still
Speaker 2: controlling it. Which is it's a It's an unbelievable trait
Speaker 2: that I think most of the top guys in the
Speaker 2: world have.
Speaker 3: Before we go, Andy had a question for you in
Speaker 3: KP as well. We're all wearing hats here. We are
Speaker 3: all baseball cap guys. I'd say for the rest of
Speaker 3: your life, I give you either get the Ricky Barnes
Speaker 3: cap or the yakubs and hat, and you have to
Speaker 3: wear those only going forward. Which one are you picking?
Speaker 2: Can I choose to not to not wear a hat? Go?
Speaker 5: No hat? Did you never?
Speaker 1: I'll never wear a hat again over those two?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Same?
Speaker 3: Is the upper Deck sponsorship on his flip cap the
Speaker 3: best of all time?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: For one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard to beat. I I don't know.
Speaker 4: I love the Paint Stewart NFL sponsorship so goodt that.
Speaker 2: I love the the uh Nike logo on seven seven
Speaker 2: visor the double Nike was sweet. I would not wear
Speaker 2: a hat, but if I had to pick one of those,
Speaker 2: I would pick. I would pick the the Yes, the
Speaker 2: yes per part of it. I can't. I can't do
Speaker 2: the painter hat like I I cannot do that.
Speaker 1: I think I take the I think I take the
Speaker 1: painters I can't. I mean, you couldn't wear.
Speaker 4: The flip up anywhere, like, but you could go to
Speaker 4: a golf course with the flip up and people might
Speaker 4: be like, oh, that's a yes for part of it. Cat,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that in years with the Dutch Boy,
Speaker 4: the Dutch Boy Barnes hat. Like I feel like you
Speaker 4: could go to like a hipster coffee shop and be okay,
Speaker 4: Like you could go out.
Speaker 5: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: It's not two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: How many people do you think would tell you your bill
Speaker 3: was flipped up if you were that in casual situations.
Speaker 2: But that's it was a windy I think you could
Speaker 2: get away with like, oh, that guy's just trying to
Speaker 2: be funny or ironic or whatever. The painter hat is like,
Speaker 2: you can't do anything. You can't, you can't explain it away.
Speaker 2: You're just like I have this stupid hat on.
Speaker 3: I think Ryan Moore had a cup of coffee with
Speaker 3: the painter hat for a while too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, remember what he was wearing. The tie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, touch.
Speaker 2: He did at the Open Championship. Speaking of the Open Championship,
Speaker 2: can I read you my honorable mention? Mega Corp, smart Uh,
Speaker 2: Andrew Waterman, Big Big Waterman, Ure, Wyndham Clark obviously, and
Speaker 2: then Ricky Ricky's water bottle? How how is it not sponsored?
Speaker 2: That's the biggest question. I don't understand how he.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to have all the stickers on it?
Speaker 5: Then how is it not a Red Bull bottle? Like
Speaker 5: he's a red Bull guy, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still a Red Bull guy?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 3: I don't imagine drinking that much red Bull in a day.
Speaker 3: It's like a thirty eight ounce bottle, my favorite, one.
Speaker 2: Of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Last time you had a red Bull?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna say. Bacon is like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what red Bull does anymore, Like
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the what the company does.
Speaker 1: I had a wedding. I had a wedding a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: It was with all my college friends and we had
Speaker 4: Red Bull Vodkas right before the wedding.
Speaker 3: Did you feel awful?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 4: It was horrible. Yeah, it tasted so bad. I was like,
Speaker 4: I can't believe I used to drink these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, by the way speak speaking of
Speaker 3: red Bull. And again I don't. I don't. I think
Speaker 3: this is a hundred I think this is one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But I'll say ninety nine percent just to just to
Speaker 3: cover myself. But I did a podcast on Get a
Speaker 3: Grip with Shad Toutan last week during the pot. During
Speaker 3: the pot, I think he was drinking a red Bull.
Speaker 1: Did you did you bring up his nickname of the
Speaker 1: guy that made it?
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny is I had like four
Speaker 3: people all in your sphere Andy that asked me if
Speaker 3: I asked that question, like on different platforms, would like
Speaker 3: d M E or text me if I asked that question.
Speaker 1: You know it's the gas man.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll make next year. So list all.
Speaker 1: Right, anything else this is? This is I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think we roughly covered the top subject matter
Speaker 4: and a lot of other subjects.
Speaker 2: That's all I was expecting. To be honest.
Speaker 4: All right, guys, thank you. Everybody can find you. Shane's
Speaker 4: got got a grip pod. You don't have to you
Speaker 4: don't have to play lots of stuff with Scratch, the
Speaker 4: Caddie Life. What was it called, that's serious called cat
Speaker 4: loop life, Loop Life, Kyle. They can find you on
Speaker 4: First Cut podcast. They can find your newsletter, the Normal
Speaker 4: Sporter they could sign up for.
Speaker 1: You're doing Normal Sport again.
Speaker 4: I assume the book and the ebook and everything with that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that I thought you're excited about that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like you with the the Year
Speaker 2: in Review. I actually cut it down this year, so
Speaker 2: we're not doing it's not going to be an all
Speaker 2: like an exhaustive list of everything that happened. It's going
Speaker 2: to be like basically my hundred or one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thoughts on the year. So I'm about a third
Speaker 2: of the way through.
Speaker 3: It's man, how long is how long is every thought?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like pages every thought.
Speaker 2: Or no, some of them are like some are like
Speaker 2: one sentence okay, okay, but some are paragraphs. So it's
Speaker 2: just it kind of fits. My Boreth gave me this
Speaker 2: great writing advice one time. He's like, just start writing
Speaker 2: numbers down and fill them in the just start writing
Speaker 2: thoughts down.
Speaker 5: It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: It is a great way. Like if you just start
Speaker 1: writing paragraphs, you know.
Speaker 4: I think one of the best pieces of writing advice
Speaker 4: I ever got was like, you can just end a
Speaker 4: thought and start a new one. Everything doesn't have to
Speaker 4: perfectly tie together. Yeah, maybe that's why I'm a terrible writer, but.
Speaker 3: Well this just made everything more clear for me personally.
Speaker 3: I love layup. All right, That's that's enough for me.
Speaker 3: I gotta go upstairs. Sure my kids aren't dead. I
Speaker 3: love you guys, Go dolphins.
Speaker 2: Go doctor.
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