1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Kaboom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto Cutter the same as the 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse. The Clearinghouse of Hot 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now, nine in the air everywhere, 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: and a very good Friday to you. You have found 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: a brand new pipe in a hot addition of the 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and Danny g Radio because 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: four hours a night are not enough, eight days a 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: week and we're back in the podcast dojo somewhere far 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: far away in the north Woods. And the news that 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: caught my We did not talk enough about this on 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: the radio show this week, and I thought, what better 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: way to catch up on all the dirt in sports television, 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: all the money flying around, and you gotta have a 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: pen and a scorecard to keep track of all the 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: moving parts in sports television, specifically the NFL with the 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's story, Drew brees out at NBC, and who 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: better to break it all down for us? Then? A 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: man that covers this on a regular basis from the 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: New York Post, my favorite newspaper, The New York Post. 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: We welcome in Ryan glass Pagel, he joins us. He 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: covers all kinds of entertainment business you name it for 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: the Post. Used to work at out Kick with Clay Travis, 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and he's worked all over the blogger is fhere and 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: let's welcome in Ryany we'll talk about all the big 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: stories of the week in sports television and Ryan, why 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: don't we start out by talking about you? And? Uh, 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: I know you work at the Post. I've read your 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: stuff for a long time here, uh recently, But how 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: would you describe your beat? Ryan? How would you describe 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: what you cover for the Post? So my title as 35 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: sports and entertainment reporter, I write about the sports media. 36 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: I write about athletes dating celebrities, athletes marrying celebrities, athletes 37 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: divorcing celebrities, athletes having kids with celebrities. UM, basically anything 38 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: pertaining to the sports world that isn't you know, analysis 39 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: or a summary of what happens in the actual games 40 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: is what I do and kind of what I've been 41 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: doing for about ten years. I got you and so now, 42 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: but do you actually watch the games or oh? Absolutely, yeah, 43 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: you have to. You have to have a knowledge of 44 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: what's happening in the games. Uh, it's so stay to 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: talk about the announcers, but I mean just for framing everything. Yeah, 46 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: I watched the games UM and Tumbling every night basically, 47 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: I mean every time, especially in the NFL season, Like 48 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: there's hardly game window that goes by that I'm not watching. 49 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you so. And it's kind 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: of like what we I do a sports radio show, 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: and we very rarely actually talk about the games, Like 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: during football season, we will, but it's in in the 53 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: NBA playoffs, will breakdown games, but the rest of the time, 54 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty much the stuff that you're searching for in 55 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the New York Post. And and how is it different there? 56 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: I know you worked at a couple of different places 57 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: of the last decade, but you know, I love the 58 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: New York Post. I'm a huge fan of the New 59 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: York Post. But how is it different? Is it much 60 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: different than different? I mean, I'm writing a higher volume 61 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: of stories now than I ever have before. I'm kind 62 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: of like a short order dinner cook for um web 63 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: content like just making you know, there's lots of different 64 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: types of writers or content producers. You know, people who 65 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: make extensive Last Dance, MJ documentary that's probably like a 66 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: five course you know, um thousand dollar meal, whereas I'm 67 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: just like constantly, you know, flipping the pancakes and the 68 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: bacon and the eggs and the cryllity. Been to a 69 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: diner where you can just see them like working, um 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: at like a ridiculous pace. That's kind of what I do. 71 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, the Post is wild because they mix like 72 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: everything together on the home page. I really do. I'm 73 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: not just saying that as a company man. I think 74 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the Post homepage is the best website on the Internet. 75 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna get your real news, your sports, your celebrity gossip, 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: like just everything you can think of is all mixed 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: smashed together there. And it's like wild to be a 78 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: part of that. So when you're when you're putting this 79 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: stuff together, do they do act you a certain way? 80 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Or are you it's like a wild goose chase every 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: day or you're scouring every nook and cranny trying to 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: find these stories. Yeah, I'd say it's half what you're 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: describing and then half editors doing that at a signing 84 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: need to write about something that they see, so I 85 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: find stuffing. I pitched the editors and they either approved 86 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: it or say no. And they find stuff and said 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: it to me, and I usually say yes. Of us, 88 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I really don't want to. I got you, I got you. No. 89 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: I ran a website like a one man band thing 90 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: back in the stone age of the Internet, and I 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: did pretty well for a while. I stopped doing it 92 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. But one of the reasons 93 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: was when social media kind of came on and took off, 94 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: people were not not reading the blogs as much. I mean, 95 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: it is a battle, and you're in a big newspaper, 96 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, website, the New York Post. But how is 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: the game change? I guess you've been in it kind 98 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: of a whole time, this social media thing has been 99 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: going on. But how difficult is he ran? You know 100 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: your point? Like around kind of seventeen, when Twitter started 101 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: letting you in bed videos and all these other whistles 102 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: that needed so that people didn't need to read the story. Um, 103 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: that definitely was a low tide. But right now, for 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: what I do, I'm as well read as I've ever 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: been which is mainly a function of being at the post. 106 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: But even before that, I was noticing a little bit 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: of a c chain. Um then where all of these 108 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: websites have gone to subscription models and so being somebody 109 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: who's writing is available for free waiting out kind of 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: the cycle has been like very beneficial for the distribution 111 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: on my stories. Well yeah, with these paywalls, I you know, 112 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: you you have access to the stuff, so it makes 113 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: sense that people would would read you and they don't 114 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: end up clicking on the on the paywall. Will you 115 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: do entertainment in sports? Ryan and I. You had a 116 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: big story the other day about Shams Sharania which got 117 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention. You was in a profile piece 118 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: you wrote about his life and in the amount of time. 119 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: The thing that I remember about that, Ryan, is the 120 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: amount of hours that he spends on I guess his 121 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: phone or his computer, which is an insane amount of 122 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: how many hours it was, Um, He said that he 123 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: spent seventeen to eighteen hours a day on screen time 124 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: and that it goes up over twenty hours a day 125 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: during like the draft and free agency. It's an insane 126 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: amount of time. That's insane amount of time. And ye, 127 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: does he sleep at all? Is there sleep involved in this? 128 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Does he sleep very little? He's it's um, you know, 129 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: I've I've met a decent amount of people with like 130 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: insatiable dribe in this part of work, and he is 131 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: certainly at or near the top of it. He doesn't 132 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: want anything in life other than to dominate this b 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: And part of it is that he's always wanted it, 134 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: and part of it is he wouldn't talk about it 135 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: with me directly, Ben, But he has his rivalry with 136 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: Adrian Locharras he would work together at Yahoo. It was 137 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: a mentor protege relationship and they cannot stand getting beaten 138 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: by the other. And so the idea that like Woad 139 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: could be working when he's not just drives him relentlessly 140 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to miss anything. Yeah, and it 141 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: it is because I actually worked a little bit with 142 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: woas back and then he did some stuff. I was 143 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: at NBC and he did some stuff there. And I 144 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, every time I see Wos on ESPN, 145 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I just chuckled because he was working at Yahoo at 146 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: the time and he spies the ESPN like it was 147 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: like he didn't he couldn't wait to destroy ESPN, and now, 148 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: of course he's been there for several years, he's done. Well, yeah, 149 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: that's that's how SARMs feels about Woach. He could say 150 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: the idea of like beating you, Yeah, it's crazy. And 151 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: the thing Ryan, I don't know if you've noticed this, 152 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: but when I did, and I ran kind of like 153 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: a gossipy type site, and the thing I noticed about 154 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: it's very odd in the writing world that especially baseball 155 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: writers cover baseball guys, would get so upset if they 156 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: didn't get all the credit for the story. But my 157 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: experience with the people that read this stuff, like Ryan, 158 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: you put a lot of stuff out there you you 159 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: might get from the Athletic or somewhere else, and you'll 160 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: repackage it in your own words, and that people people 161 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: don't really care who had it first. And I guess 162 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: that's the point I'm making. You agree with that, or 163 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: as far as the readers are, I know, the writers 164 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: get very You know, there's there's two different worlds. There's 165 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: a well all of the people who spend an insane 166 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: amount of time on Twitter, and then there's the rest 167 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: of the world. So the rest of the world is 168 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: what like probably per cent of the population, and they 169 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: don't care what iota. Like I think that a vast 170 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: majority of the people listening to this right now don't 171 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: care whether Adam schefter Ian Rappaport is first with a 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: free agent signing that they're going to learn about five 173 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: minutes later anyway. But inside this business um, the ability 174 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: to get things first kind of signifies that you're talking 175 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: to important people. And for whatever reason, Chams versus Woad 176 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: has captured the imagination of a big amount of people 177 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: who don't even work in sports media, and so we 178 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: work at it on kind of like when NBA free 179 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: agency is starting, like whoever is like doing better that 180 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: day is going to have like memes made of him 181 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: dunking on the other or whatever. And so for whatever reason, 182 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: this particular battle has captured the imagination of a bigger 183 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: set of the public than anything else I could think of. Well, 184 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: and then the Woad Shams thing, and you wrote about Shamps, 185 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: but like they worked together, right, that was the whole 186 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: thing is I think you mentioned they were Yahoo and 187 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Sham's kind of learned from woes and it's like some 188 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: kind of some kind of plot from like a star 189 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: Wars thing or something right where. Yeah, we we don't know. 190 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: That's that's a mystery, right, We don't know. So we 191 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: know Words left Yahoo for ESPN. We know Shamps did 192 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: not go with him. We don't know what was the 193 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: trigger moment along the way where they split from being 194 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: partners to being adversaries. And hopefully one day one of 195 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: them will tell me that and I'll be the one 196 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: that kids to tell everybody else, or one of them 197 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: will save it for their books, but regard us like, yeah, 198 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what happened. And to your point, yeah, 199 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a Star Wars archetype where you've 200 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: got the student and the teacher and all of a sudden, 201 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: I think you know it was um, it was like 202 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: an episode two where you could kind of see Vader 203 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: starting to be a little bit hasty. Maybe maybe Shams 204 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: like wanted things faster than who she was like willing 205 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: to give it to him or whatever. It's really difficult 206 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what happened, but it's definitely out 207 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: of a movie. Yeah, and you won who went to 208 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: the dark Side? Was it Whoads? Was it Chams? Like? 209 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Who crossed them? You know? I don't know that. You 210 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: can't just say that there's shades of gray. Um. The 211 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: process of obtaining scoops requires um a lot of kind 212 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: of collaboration with sources and subjects and who. Like it's 213 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: really impossible when you're not in the reporter's shoes to 214 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: figure out what kind of trade offs are being made. 215 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: But I think, like, I don't know, I would I 216 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: wouldn't say either of them the dark side. Um. Sean's 217 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of people reached out to me after 218 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: that said. He's a great teammate. I love working with him. 219 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: He's so driven, but he's like not hard to work with. 220 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And so um, there's certainly who really like enjoy working 221 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: with road as well, Like I think, um, like Tim 222 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Bontum says, somebody at SPAT has come up and like 223 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: the road tree And so I don't know that who 224 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: there's like a dark side and a good side in 225 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: this force. Just the fact that like the mentor and 226 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the protege uh are now duking it out to the 227 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: entertainment and I don't know, maybe millions, but at least 228 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: under its thousands. Yeah, And I'm on just for the record, 229 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: not that anyone cares, right but I'm on team Woach. 230 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: I knew him a little bit, and I I but 231 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: I like. I like the fact that basically what has 232 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: been really nice to me in my career, you like, 233 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's complimented my work. H I've met him 234 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: once in person, who is very gracious. So I don't 235 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: really have like a job in the fight, but I 236 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: like that the fight exists because it's like interesting for 237 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: me to observe. No, And I also love the fact 238 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: that these guys, both of them are relentless and you know, 239 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: right being in the business a while, there's certain guys 240 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: that cut corners after a while, and they don't they 241 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: don't put the work in. When they reach a certain level. 242 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: It's like I don't have to do it anymore because 243 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: I've reached this level. And it's good to hear. Maybe 244 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: a little too much for Shams, but I'm sure Woud 245 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: is doing the same thing over there. But they're they're 246 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: both putting the work in, which I respect because I've 247 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: seen guys I've been around that reached a certain levels. 248 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people in television I could name, 249 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: but uh, but yeah, it's a it's a best not 250 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: speaking of TV, alright, Drew Brees one of the big 251 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: stories over the last week year as we talked about 252 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: sports media stuff. You're the guy Ryan to talk to. 253 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: So Drew Brees and your newspaper had this story before 254 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: anybody that he's out at NBC, that he he was 255 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: the golden child when he got hired NBC and he's 256 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: already done. It was not a long time. What do 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: you think happened? What's your Do you think that anytime 258 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: I see a mutual decision, I think bull crap because 259 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: someone has to be the one that says, okay, I 260 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: want I want out. I I'm pointing at NBC Son 261 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: that they they overestimated to UH to quote a place 262 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: he used to work, they out kicked UH their coverage 263 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: with Drew Brees. They thought he would be really good 264 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: and he was just like a backup fullback that played 265 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: on the Lions. That could you know, some some generic 266 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: guy that could have gotten without all the money and 267 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles and all that. And it 268 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: might be unfair because it was only one year, but 269 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: that's my my take on it. I think NBC is 270 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: the one that said, hey, this guy is not as 271 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: good and Breeze saw all the other stories going around 272 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: with all these other broadcasters getting all this Money's like, 273 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I should be on Sunday Night games 274 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: that in the booth. So I think that's more what happened? 275 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: What do you think happened? I want to give Andrew 276 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Marsham my colleague credit because he breaks basically all of 277 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: these stories. Like I mean, there's no like seans to 278 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: his words in terms of like getting the scoops and 279 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: sports media. He's just like so far like John ore 280 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: End is great, but he he does kind of like 281 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: league level stuff in terms of like talent, moves Marsha 282 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: and gets almost everything. So for Breeze, what I think, 283 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: it's like a multifaceted story. First is uh um, when 284 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: NBC brought him in, they thought maybe he would be 285 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: the air character Chris collins Worth. I think that they 286 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: know because they have Tariko replacing Al Michaels this year 287 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football with Al going to Amazon. So 288 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: I think they might have been like, Okay, well we'll 289 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: have Brees worked with Tariko on Notre Dame games and 290 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: then have him go to Sunday Night Football. But I 291 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: think that they kind of got cold feet on that idea, 292 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: came to the realization that they'd rather have collins Worth 293 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: with Tarko than Breeze, and so then all of a sudden, 294 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: Breeze is stuck on Notre Dame games with you don't 295 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: know who the play by play announcer is going to 296 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: be next year yet. And then the studio show, which, 297 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: like Dan Patrick talked about yesterday, basically said doing the 298 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: studio show is really boring. You have to go to 299 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: the studio in Connecticut, sit there like all day for 300 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: the football games, and then it's your turn to talk 301 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds at a time. And so I 302 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: think that's the case of all of these studio shows. 303 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: But someone like Breeze, who probably feels entitled to a 304 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: bigger platform based somebody accomplished as a player, doesn't really 305 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: want to sit through that drudgery, Like he doesn't want 306 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: to wait all day for Sunday night studio. You know. Yeah, 307 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: well they have good craft services though, Ryan, they have 308 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: good food at those things, So there is that. But 309 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: the brief reason isn't struggling to ease not It's not 310 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: like a member of the proletariat like yourself. For me, 311 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: where a free meal goes a long way and making 312 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: us feel better about whatever we're at, our responsibilities are. 313 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: But this is a gigantic boss move by Colinsworth if 314 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: if this played out the way part of it, I believe. 315 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: I bet we martially have reported that he signed a 316 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: new deal like kind of quietly, and so I might 317 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: have that wrong, Like I don't ever write in front 318 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: of me, but I think I remember reading that. So 319 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: like just the fact that you know it's going to 320 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: be at least several years of their name games in 321 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: studio until he can go that. And then the other 322 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: thing that marsh end Is reported is, uh, there's an 323 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: opening potentially for Breeze at Fox while they wait for 324 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: Tom Brady to come into the booth. It's possible that 325 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: he could go and work there as a color commentator, 326 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: if not on the top team. They they got a 327 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: elevate Greg Olsen there and that creates a different spot 328 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: for Breese. And so I think there might be an 329 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: opportunity for him to do NFL games at Fox that 330 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: he didn't have an NBC potentially. Now speaking of Tom 331 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: Brady here Ryan and there was a great quote from 332 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: Howard Cosell back in the day and I've I've used 333 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: this for many years, the jock ocracy of boadcast I 334 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: love that quote from cos l I I it's amazing, 335 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: and you know he's been dead for so many years 336 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and it still goes on here. But this Tom Brady 337 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: thing is amazing to me. No, I have no animosity 338 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: towards Tom, but to get a tenure deal. What if 339 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: he is the next true Breeze where they're not smitten 340 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: and he's not allowing people like you think there's there's 341 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: gonna be off ramps for both of the sides in that, 342 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it's ten years, but it's not 343 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: like it's the Ten Commandments like brought down on stone 344 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: by Moses like that. The these two sides are not 345 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: appy with each other. They could have a quote mutual 346 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: spreeat like Breeze and NBC or in the process of 347 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: but um, you know the So the deal with Brady though, 348 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: it's important to know that this goes beyond the idea 349 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: of him as an announcer. He's going to be a 350 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: brand ambassador for Fox. So imagine like your person, I 351 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: don't even know what do you think, um, Fox charges 352 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: like Chevrolet or Ford or analyser Bush for their football 353 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: season worth of advertisements, and like they're even just getting 354 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: NFL games, like Cox is selling packages of NFL like 355 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: top tier, Big ten, Pack twelve and Big twelve football, 356 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: the World Series and this year the World Cup. Now 357 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: imagine like you're the CEO of um Chevy and like 358 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: Tom Brady comes into the meeting as a closer. That's 359 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: going to have immense benefit for Fox just having like 360 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: being able to bring their like v I P s 361 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: over by the bruth to come and meet him. Um. 362 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: So that's a portion of the deal that isn't being 363 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: discussed as much as just the idea of whether he's 364 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: going to be a good announcer or not. Yeah. Well, 365 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: And the thing about Brady too is I know from 366 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: his media he's he's been very open about I think 367 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: was it a few months ago, maybe was last year 368 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: where he said he pretty much lies the entire time 369 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: he's talking to the media. Is that so you you 370 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: under like how he's going to do in the booth 371 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: and is he gonna open up? And that's that's always 372 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: been a problem. Ryan, You know this, you cover this 373 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: this stuff. These former players, a lot of these guys 374 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: when they do end up getting in the booth. They 375 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: are protecting the fraternity, right, they don't want to be 376 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: the Only one that really doesn't do that consistently is 377 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. Other than that, most of these guys are 378 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: all in certain ways guarded with what they say. And 379 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: that's that's been the big complaint I have when it 380 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: comes to this stuff. And we'll find out Brady's got 381 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: so much money, does it really macause you can say 382 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: whatever he wants, right, But a lot of these other guys, 383 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think that he's going to eventually be 384 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: an owner of an NFL team. So like, if you're 385 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: asking me to bet on whether he's good enother outing 386 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: or not, I would never bet against Tom Brady. But 387 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: if you're asking me to bet if he makes it 388 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: ten years, I would bet no. I would uh, within 389 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 1: ten years of retirement, him and Giselle own a team. 390 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: And maybe it's something like, you know, they may not 391 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: have the like five billion dollars or whatever you need 392 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: to own a team, but I could see it being 393 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: a situation like with like a Rod in the Timberwolves, 394 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: where he partners with a money guy and he's the 395 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: faith and the decision maker, and that's where I would 396 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: expect out of him and his post fighting career. But 397 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: it's still that takes a few years to figure out 398 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: the right partner and the franchise coming for sale and 399 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: is it in a place where you want to live 400 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: and so on, and so I think the Fox is 401 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: going to be a bridge for Brain to the ownership 402 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Boots ownership thoughts is what my prediction. And as we 403 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: know from John Gruden, who's taboo to say though, but 404 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: the all the rich people, all the NFL people are 405 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: watching these these prime island games, and I know Brady 406 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: be doing the or bread to be doing the late 407 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: game on Fox, which is gonna be kind of an 408 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: island that late TV window the big game, and so 409 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: you have access like Brady has access to those people. 410 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: Uh anyway, but let me ask you this year, right, so, 411 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I have been preaching from the bully pulpit in the 412 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: overnight on my show that I believe people tune into 413 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: like a radio show or a podcast to hear the 414 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: person who's the host. But it's that dynamic does not 415 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: exist in an NFL game. Like I have certain broadcasters 416 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I like, but I've never turned on a game because 417 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: of a broadcaster other than Charles Barkley. I'll watch a 418 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: bad NBA game to hear what Barkley has to say, 419 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: but usually not about game. But but I think a 420 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: lot of people are like I think more people are 421 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: like that than not. So explain to me, right if 422 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: I if I'm right, maybe maybe you disagree, But explain 423 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: to me why the money is so outrageous when people 424 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: don't actually tune in. There not the reason people tune 425 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: in to watch a Cleveland Browns game on a Sunday afternoon. Well, 426 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: it's too of things. Then, the first is what I said, 427 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: where he's a brand ambassador and he's going to be 428 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, involved as like a closer for ad and 429 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: sponsorship deals and I don't know how you quantify that, 430 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: but the people at Foxster do. And then the second 431 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: thing is there's a finite supply of great NFL games 432 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: before the season, and the NFL is more likely to 433 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: distribute the supply of like I don't know, Mahomes versus 434 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen or whatever like the equivalent of that. There's 435 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: what like maybe you can go through the NFL schedule 436 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: and find like fifteen games are so that are absolute 437 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: blockbuster and then like you know, a group of like 438 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: five that are crown jewels. The NFL is going to 439 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: distribute those based on who they think is going to 440 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: do the best job presenting it. You really can't put 441 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: a price on the idea of Okay, if you have 442 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: the best booth, now, all of a sudden, you're gonna 443 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: get that highly coveted UM Chief's Bills game. And so 444 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: there's not that many of them. And that's why we've 445 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: seen UM in specific, CBS play a ton to keep 446 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Tony Romo ESKM. You have fortune to coach Joe Buck 447 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: and Troy Aikman away from Fox, and then Fox break 448 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the bank for Brady. They're jockeying to get the biggest 449 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: supply possible of those top tier games. And it's almost 450 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: like a Dog and Tony show auditioning for the NFL 451 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: and begging them for like the best drugs. There you go, 452 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that's a good, good enough. If Peyton Manning I wanted 453 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: to do this, Say Peyton Manning woke up today, you know, 454 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: just for s and giggles and said, you know what 455 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: I want to do? NFL. You say, all the chairs 456 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: are filled here, what kind of money you think Peyton Manning. 457 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: I know he's doing a few games for ESPN a lot, 458 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: but if he said and he could get out of 459 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: the contract in a hypothetical parallel dimension Ryan, would he 460 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: get similar money to Tom Brady? Or is he? Yeah? 461 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean I think the only kind of rodeo partner 462 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: left is um NBC. I know that I just said 463 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: they extended Chris collins Worth, But if like they if 464 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: they if like if if they could get Peyton Manning, 465 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: I think they would just you know, eat it with 466 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: collins draft collatteral damage later, but like and then that's 467 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: there zooming. Peyton could get out of his es CAN, 468 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: that's I don't know. I think he could get most 469 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: of what Brady got. The problem is is there's nobody 470 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: left that's a competing bidder because ESPM, CBS and Fox 471 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: are totally locked in on who they have, and so 472 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: NBC would only be bidding against themselves. Yeah, it's interesting. Now, 473 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: what about I mentioned Charles Barkley at TNT. Barkley for years, 474 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: Ryan has been threatening to walk away, not do TV anymore. 475 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: I guess at some point he will actually follow through 476 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: on that. Right, He's not gonna do this forever. He's 477 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: done a lot longer than most people thought. I think 478 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: Barkley is almost I think he turned sixty next year, 479 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: so he had been talking about walking away at age sixty. 480 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: So maybe one more year of of Charles Barkley. Uh 481 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: do you think he does actually you know, only do 482 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: a couple more years, or you think he's in it 483 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: for the long haul because he's he's been talking about 484 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: retiring for I have a hard time to see him 485 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: walking away. I think he spends in gambles too much 486 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: and not have money coming in. That is a good 487 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: point when you gamble, and I love gambling, but you 488 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: don't normally win. You don't know. That's the problem with gambling. 489 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: You don't normally win. And that's the rub on that. 490 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: As far as you mentioned Troy wanna go back to football, 491 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: so Aikman and I think I read this in your 492 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: newspaper that Aikman was kind of the impetus for Fox 493 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: talking to Tom Brady because he had been flirting with 494 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: Amazon and all that talk him that he was making 495 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: his contract negotiations. Yeah. So do you think Aikman regrets 496 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: not not playing ball with Fox or you think he's 497 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: totally I know he says all the right things. I 498 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: saw the quotes this week. Do you think you think, 499 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: deep down if you gave him truth Serum, he wishes 500 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: he had just agreed to a deal to stay at 501 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: Fox rather than what ended up happening, because I mean 502 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: he FPN offered it much more money than Fox stead 503 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: So I don't think that he regrets um any of 504 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: this because I mean, like, what's the difference to him? 505 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Like what might what like the microphone box says like 506 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: its working for ESPN versus Fox, versus CBS versus NBC 507 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: when you're like Troy Aikman, I I know Fox is 508 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: really really really good game producers. Like they haven't missed 509 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: on many announcers over the years, Like they haven't had 510 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: one of those scenarios where we're seeing the Brees in 511 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: NBC where they brought a guy in and he was 512 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: just terrible that I can think of, but not the 513 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: Breeze is terrible, but like, you know, disappointing. I think 514 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: it's fair to say. And so Um, maybe like he 515 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: wishes that he was saying there a little bit, because 516 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: I do think that they get a little bit better 517 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: games than ESPN. UM even with ESPN grabbing bucking Aickman. 518 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: But I don't think that he regrets any of this. 519 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: I do think there's part of him that's probably better 520 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: that Fox wanted to break the bank for Brady in 521 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: a way that they didn't want to for him. But 522 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the same as regret. I 523 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: got you and uh and Ron I did see the 524 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: other day at the time this podcast is going to 525 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: air you to you know, write up about a book 526 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: about Beano Cook right which you passed away a number 527 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: of years ago. There's some great stuff in that story 528 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: that you wrote from the book about Brent Musburger and 529 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy the Greek and some great names. If it was 530 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: a good good right up on on that book. I 531 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: had not heard the name this is crazy. He died 532 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: about a decade ago. The co author who put together 533 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: the memoir reached out to me about a month ago. 534 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I wrote this book. Um, there's like 535 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of interesting stuff that you want it very 536 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: plied with my address probably three minutes after he sent 537 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: the email. I guess, uh. So this book came out 538 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: of the all and nobody really covered it, like there 539 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: was like a story in the local Pittsburgh paper because 540 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: he came out through Pittsburgh. But there was not you know, 541 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: there were all sorts of these like golden stories in 542 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: this book that weren't um, I think, public knowledge. So 543 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: one of them was that, like Brent Musburger and Jimmy 544 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: the Greek got in a fight at a bar. And 545 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: there were like two possible reasons why I happened. One, Um, 546 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy the Greek thought that Brent stole his scoop on 547 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: who the next Notre Dame football coach would be. Or 548 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: he suspected Brand of leaking like negative stuff to him 549 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: to the TV critic in the Washington Post. And so 550 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: they were like all sorts of stuff like that, like, um, 551 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: some are all also accused Brent of stealing one of 552 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: his scoops. And so you know, this era of TV 553 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: from like I don't know, nineteen seventy through nineteen nineties, 554 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: such a like a wild West, and anytime you can 555 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: find new stories about that, there's a voracious interests in that. Yeah, 556 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: it's like the sports version of Anchorman, right ran where 557 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: it's like the bigger than life personality and everyone you 558 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: look at the ratings and people watch football a lot 559 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: these days. Obviously when you compare that to what CBS 560 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: got back there was only three networks. You didn't have 561 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: anything on the man you like, you had to pick, 562 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: you had to choose what they gave you, basically, and 563 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: so but like the competition when it was just those 564 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: three was probably even fiercer than it is today because, um, 565 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: they were constantly comparing one another to each other. Um, 566 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: they hated losing to each other. Yeah, and there's a 567 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: great be No Cook quote. A buddy of mine in 568 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh radio guy gave me that be No Once said. 569 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: He talked about the going against the federal government and 570 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: the quote and impair phrasing, but he said something like, 571 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: you never want to go against the federal government in 572 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: court because they they never have a road game and 573 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: they're always favorites in every matchup. It was a great 574 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: great Yeah. So anyway, I ron I kept you a 575 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: long time. I appreciate it. I love your stuff in 576 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: the post. How can people find you obviously New York Post. 577 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: You're on Twitter, though, how can they track you at 578 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: dot com? Flash sports rough or sports r A P 579 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: P R T. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 580 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: Thank you good luck and I'll keep reading your stuff. 581 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: Thanks Ryan, Thanks Don. Talk soon.