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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've created

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Speaker 1: a special advent calendar perfect for the work free schedule,

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Speaker 1: free liminal space between Christmas and New Year's.

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Speaker 2: It's very simple.

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Speaker 1: Just take a family sized brick of cheese and cut

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Speaker 1: and eat one to eleventeen slices every day. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: December thirty first, and this week we're revisiting some of

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Speaker 1: our favorite conversations from twenty twenty five. Today it's two

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Speaker 1: of my all time faves soccer greats turned podcast pals,

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Speaker 1: Julie Foudy and Abby Wombach. We sat down in October

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Speaker 1: for a live interview as part of the Women's Sports

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Speaker 1: Foundation's Athlete Leadership Connection to talk about the transition from

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Speaker 1: pro athlete to post soccer life, why women's sports are

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Speaker 1: inherently political, learning how to enjoy the ordinary and not

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Speaker 1: just the extraordinary, and how Julian Abbey's new podcast with

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Speaker 1: Billy Jean King Welcome to the Party, adds another layer

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Speaker 1: of radical joy to the women's sports world. I loved

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Speaker 1: chatting with these two powerhouses. Stick around to hear our

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Speaker 1: conversation after the break. They need no introduction, but they're

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Speaker 2: Joining us.

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Speaker 1: She's a two time Olympic gold medalist, a World Cup champion,

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Speaker 1: a six time winner of the US Soccer Athlete of

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Speaker 1: the Year award, and a member of the National Soccer

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. She's still the highest all time goal

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Speaker 1: scorer for the US national team, and her one hundred

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Speaker 1: both female and male players. A New York Times bestselling author,

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Speaker 1: she's part of the ownership group of Angel City FC

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Speaker 1: of the National Women's Soccer League. Is the co host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast We Can Do Hard Things and Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Party. She's got a gold card that allows

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Speaker 1: her to get a free burrito from Chipotle every day

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Speaker 1: for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 2: It's Abby Wammack.

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Speaker 3: I do not still have that.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say so.

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Speaker 5: It said lifetime, and then I went there one day

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Speaker 5: and I swiped it and it was like wow. So

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Speaker 5: I used it often and I would go with my kids, So.

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Speaker 6: Lifetime of burritos too quickly.

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Speaker 3: It's true. I used it all up.

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Speaker 2: Joining her.

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Speaker 1: A two time Women's World Cup champion, two time Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist, and national Soccer Hall of Famer who played

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. She finished her international career with

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy four caps and served as the

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Speaker 1: and co captain from ninety one to two thousand. Former

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Speaker 1: the Julie Foudy Sports Leadership Academy, a co owner of

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Speaker 1: Angel City FC, a soccer broadcaster, and co host of

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Speaker 1: the podcast Welcome to the Party. In nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: she was the first American and first woman to receive

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Speaker 1: the FIFA fair Play Award Weed of the Worm on

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Speaker 1: the dance floor. We once partied so hard at her

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Speaker 1: house the cops came, but we thought they were faking.

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Speaker 1: We asked if they were strippers, it's Julie.

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Speaker 2: Baudy true story. We're like, we're not that loud, this

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we were making It was after an espnW summit

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Speaker 7: So I knew that, like the block knew we were good.

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Speaker 4: And she beat my asses in khakis.

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Speaker 8: And so they were chanting, chanting, chanting, and these cops

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Speaker 1: Talking about I don't know, Abby playing beer pong with

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Speaker 5: Yes, So we after the twenty fifteen World Cup, we

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Speaker 5: She came over with Taylor and Taylor well, she was

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Speaker 5: playing beer pong with us. She was playing with wine.

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Speaker 5: We were playing with beer, and Taylor Swift came over

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Speaker 5: Aina did not know how to play, and I just

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Speaker 5: basically said, you get the effing ball in the effing cup.

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Speaker 6: It's good coaching right there. It's good coaching.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So we did not swear, Abby, I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're children.

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Speaker 6: I can't make that promise.

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Speaker 1: which is helping all of you athletes get the transition

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Speaker 6: Competition to careers.

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Speaker 1: So I want you both to take yourselves back to

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Speaker 6: Abby?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: One, I don't necessarily recall the moment that I knew

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Speaker 5: The prospects of actually retiring.

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Speaker 3: The way that I played the game.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I would recommend doing it to

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Speaker 3: And all of that.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't bother myself to think about the after,

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Speaker 5: mostly because of fear. If I'm being perfectly honest, like

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Speaker 5: months after I retired with my wife and sister in

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Speaker 5: law and agent. They called it Abby Summit. And the

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Speaker 5: first day of the summit, it was literally written on

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Speaker 3: Because I did.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were really going to a summit in

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Speaker 5: Summit in our living room, Abby, Summit in the living room.

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Speaker 6: And not your first intervention.

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Speaker 5: No, not my first intervention. I'm newly sober at this point.

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Speaker 5: And my agent brings over his cell phone and this

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Speaker 5: I'm the thirty five years old and he shows me

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Speaker 5: his calendar app on his iPhone and he said, so,

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Speaker 5: here is a calendar, and you know, and every day

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Speaker 5: there's there's a dot that tells me I have something

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Speaker 5: tell you about things that you have to do. Because

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Speaker 5: he's the one holding the calendar. Yeah, and so he

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Speaker 5: When your time comes, you will get there. And when

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Speaker 5: this room know how to calendar much better than I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, you know, there's a lot of athletes

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to what you saw missing in

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Speaker 6: I've litened to a lot of your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You know helps You're very familiar with the Women's Sports

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Speaker 4: You're Going Deep cut.

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Speaker 1: She had expressed concern that the law.

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Speaker 7: you're often the minority of war voice. You're fighting for

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Speaker 7: something that for my entire career, people told me to

447
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Speaker 7: shut up and just be grateful about stop asking for more.

448
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Speaker 7: You should just be happy that you have a US

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Speaker 7: women's national team in soccer, those kind of responses, And

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Speaker 7: I found myself suddenly on this Blue Ribbon Commission that

451
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Speaker 7: was very lopsided for those who wanted to make some

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Speaker 7: changes to Title nine. And so you have to find

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Speaker 7: your voice as a minority voice, which can be uncomfortable

454
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Speaker 7: because there's a lot of people staring at you, shaking

455
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Speaker 7: their heads saying you're crazy. And you know, I'm in

456
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Speaker 7: my twenties and I'm playing on the national team. And

457
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Speaker 7: the amazing thing is I had the Women's Sports Foundation

458
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Speaker 7: who literally were with me by my side that entire time, saying,

459
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Speaker 7: We've got you.

460
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Speaker 4: What do you need?

461
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Speaker 7: You need research, you need data, you need stats right

462
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Speaker 7: here for you.

463
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Speaker 4: So much so that on literally the night before, we

464
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Speaker 4: wrote our.

465
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Speaker 7: Dissenting opinion because we couldn't get the group to come

466
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Speaker 7: around to what we wanted, and we wrote a dissenting report.

467
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Speaker 7: It was three am, and we had literally Senator birch By,

468
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Speaker 7: who was considered the godfather of Title nine, sitting on

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Speaker 7: the floor with us crafting the report and talking about

470
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Speaker 7: why this mattered so much. And the whole reason he

471
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Speaker 7: drafted Title nine was because his wife, who he says

472
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Speaker 7: was much smarter than him, who did much better than

473
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Speaker 7: him in college, who did better with all of her testing,

474
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Speaker 7: getting a lot degree. Never got into any law schools, right,

475
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Speaker 7: she couldn't get into any schools, and so Title nine

476
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Speaker 7: was obviously about an educational amendment, and the fine print.

477
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Speaker 4: Was about women's sports.

478
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Speaker 7: So he's sitting on the floor, and it just it

479
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Speaker 7: gave me hope because you saw in the moment when

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Speaker 7: you needed it most these people rally in the Women's

481
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Speaker 7: Sports Foundation and Donna Lopiano and a lot of class

482
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Speaker 7: who's sitting here, and Billy Jean King of course is

483
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Speaker 7: one of our partners on the podcast, of how much

484
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Speaker 7: it mattered to them and they would do anything to

485
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Speaker 7: help us get through this moment. And it also gave

486
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Speaker 7: me a like personally, like you discover a lot about

487
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Speaker 7: yourself when you have to be the one voice that's

488
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Speaker 7: dissenting all the time of like, Okay, I've got to

489
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Speaker 7: speak up in a way I've never really had to,

490
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Speaker 7: or I've had teammates around me that you know their

491
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Speaker 7: strength and numbers.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I love about.

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Speaker 7: Being a team is you're much more willing to speak

494
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Speaker 7: up when you know you've got a team that has

495
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Speaker 7: your back.

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Speaker 4: And now it was a much harder situation. So it

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Speaker 4: was hard.

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Speaker 7: It was really hard, learned a lot about people and

499
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Speaker 7: that there can be compromised in situations like that, which

500
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Speaker 7: was a bit disappointing. But I really think what we

501
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Speaker 7: did with the descending opinion was important, was Sarah. It's

502
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Speaker 7: a deep cut into the history of Title nine, but

503
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Speaker 7: it was an important moment where we made sure that

504
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Speaker 7: there wasn't some setbacks too. As we all know in

505
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Speaker 7: this room, I think the most profound piece of civil.

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Speaker 1: Rights legislation and on the sports side that we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I know that you like to be humble, but I

508
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Speaker 1: have to take a moment and commend you. And I

509
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Speaker 1: think it's a lesson for everybody in this room because

510
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Speaker 1: being the dissenting opinion, being part of the minority, being

511
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Speaker 1: the squeaky wheel for something that a lot of people

512
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Speaker 1: don't care about sucks, and people think that you're not

513
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Speaker 1: fun often if you're that person, and there is no

514
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Speaker 1: one more fun than Julie.

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Speaker 2: Foudy, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say that in your life,

517
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Speaker 1: you're going to have this opportunity to speak up for

518
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Speaker 1: stuff that matters, and people are going to say you're

519
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Speaker 1: a nag or your shrill or your bitch or whatever

520
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Speaker 1: else women get when they fight for righteous things. And

521
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Speaker 1: that is not who you are, but it can be

522
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Speaker 1: who you are on that moment if that's what's required,

523
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Speaker 1: and you can still be fun and great and everyone

524
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Speaker 1: can love you. I don't know a single person that

525
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Speaker 1: does not love Julie Foudy. And first of all, I'm

526
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Speaker 1: inn overshare already, But I also a lot of my

527
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Speaker 1: very fun life because I'm constantly being accused of being

528
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Speaker 1: a nag and complaining all the time. I'm complaining about

529
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Speaker 1: shit that should have been fixed a long time ago.

530
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Speaker 1: Not because I want to spend my free time doing that.

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Speaker 1: I want to spend my free time throwing costume parties,

532
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Speaker 1: which is usually what I do. But when I am

533
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Speaker 1: throwing costume parties, I'm complaining about shit that should have

534
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Speaker 1: been fixed years ago. But you can be both, and

535
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Speaker 1: I let people grind you down and say that you

536
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Speaker 1: have to just be pleasing all the time.

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Speaker 7: No, And and what's funny is you can bring the

538
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Speaker 7: humor into the descent, like there was a there was

539
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Speaker 7: a moment when they took a really important vote. And

540
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Speaker 7: as everyone knows who knows me, I have a tea

541
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Speaker 7: bag for a bladder is what I call it. It's leaky,

542
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 7: too much, too much, just enough.

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Speaker 3: You have children, you get to say whatever you want.

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Speaker 7: And this has been my whole life, not even just

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Speaker 7: post kids, right, like even like doing pliametrics on the

546
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Speaker 7: national team. They're like, foudy, put a diaper on. We're

547
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Speaker 7: doing jumps.

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Speaker 2: And so there was a.

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Speaker 7: Point during one of the hearings where we had to

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Speaker 7: take a very important vote and I was off in

551
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Speaker 7: the bathroom going tinkle real quick, and I would sprint.

552
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Speaker 7: I would sprint to tinkle and then i'd come back

553
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Speaker 7: and I missed this vote.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, you took a vote without me here,

555
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 4: and they were like, yes, you were in the bathroom.

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Speaker 7: I was like, okay, from now on, I would like

557
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Speaker 7: to make a motion that we bring a porta potty

558
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Speaker 7: into this arena, into this room, and I will knock

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Speaker 7: once if it's yes, not twice where it's no.

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Speaker 4: And everyone started cracking out. But I missed the damn

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Speaker 4: vote because of my bladder.

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Speaker 2: This is in like a very esteemed hall.

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Speaker 7: Yeah exactly, and it's like, you know, president of Penn

564
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Speaker 7: State University.

565
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Speaker 1: But I mean foundy just again, very quick, wrapping up

566
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Speaker 1: how much I'm gushing about you, but you have done

567
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: a story about your alma mater, Stanford that didn't paint

568
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Speaker 1: it in the best light. You have gone to see

569
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Speaker 1: child labor in factories for a company that sponsored you.

570
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Speaker 1: You have done investigations into the turf that the people

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Speaker 1: that you are calling games play on. Like, at no

572
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Speaker 1: moment have you ever said they pay my bills or

573
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Speaker 1: they're too important for me to call and hold accountability for.

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Speaker 1: And it's just a really tremendous lesson for everybody in

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Speaker 1: this room.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Title nine, it's not perfect, but it is

578
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Speaker 1: necessary to ensure that women and girls keep getting opportunities

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Speaker 1: to play. There's nil shifts, there's a proposed score Act

580
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Speaker 1: endorsed by the GOP, the recent House versus NCAA settlement.

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Speaker 1: How worried are you abby about the future of women's

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Speaker 1: college sports and how much do we need to be

583
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Speaker 1: screaming about it before it's too late?

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Speaker 5: It seems like, and Julie and I have been talking

585
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Speaker 5: about this a little bit on our pod because the

586
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: great question, it's not like we're talking about the WNBA,

587
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Speaker 5: Kathy Engelbert, the NWSL losing players over to Europe, and

588
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Speaker 5: it seems like nothing ever changes until somebody gets so

589
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: pissed about it that they lose their head and they've

590
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: got to go on a rant, or they shame a league,

591
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: or they shame a commision or or they have to

592
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 5: shame an entire government to get what they need done

593
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Speaker 5: or to prevent losing some rights, Like we all know

594
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Speaker 5: what we've lost this last year or two. I don't

595
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: know what the answers are. I feel worried for our government,

596
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 5: for sure, our administration. I feel worried, but I also

597
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 5: feel extraordinarily optimistic when I go to some of these

598
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Speaker 5: protests over the last many months.

599
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Speaker 3: It's actually that.

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Speaker 5: Protest and women's sporting events are the only place where

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Speaker 5: this my body actually can take an actual breath, that

602
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Speaker 5: I'm with my community, that I'm watching something that is

603
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Speaker 5: fun and engaging, and to watch angel City FC play,

604
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Speaker 5: it's just like it feels a little bit like a

605
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Speaker 5: dream to be a part owner of the team and

606
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Speaker 5: to be able to watch these women do the thing

607
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Speaker 5: that I did in front of twenty thousand plus people.

608
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Speaker 5: When I played, there were like one thousand to two thousand,

609
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Speaker 5: maybe like that was a good game, that was like

610
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Speaker 5: a good turn. Yeah, for the end of a cell

611
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 5: or even previous leagues, WSA and WPS.

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Speaker 3: I don't have an answer, but I have.

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Speaker 5: This Women in jerseys and in uniforms out there on

614
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: the field are inherently political, whether we're out there screaming

615
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Speaker 5: it from the top of the mountain or not. Just

616
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 5: using your body as a person in minority is a

617
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Speaker 5: political statement. When we walk into rooms, men see us differently.

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Speaker 5: They experience us to diferently. When I walk into a

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Speaker 5: room with my wife, who literally calls it the sports

620
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Speaker 5: for meetings for her, we have sat across men and

621
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Speaker 5: they look at me. Obviously I'm more male, presenting more

622
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: mask and Glennon is more femme. But like at the

623
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Speaker 5: end of the day, we also have this thing that

624
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Speaker 5: they know that I could beat them at any sporting

625
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Speaker 5: event there was.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 5: I don't have the answers, but what I do know

628
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 5: is that our participation in women's sports really does matter,

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Speaker 5: and it matters in a very deep, meaningful way because

630
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: this is the thing that they cherish the most right

631
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Speaker 5: and I think that if we remember that every time

632
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Speaker 5: we go out, whether we want to be outwardly spoken

633
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Speaker 5: about it or not. We have to have the ability

634
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Speaker 5: to play, and if these are the things that are

635
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Speaker 5: at risk or potentially could be attacked, we have to

636
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Speaker 5: make decisions and stand up and fight for ensuring that

637
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: that these games and these women and these leagues are

638
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 5: solid enough that women always have a place to play.

639
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Speaker 5: I can't talk about the NC double A only because

640
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: it's a confusing place.

641
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 6: It is and more so every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, if you run, there's something that

643
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Speaker 1: department you're basically a GM. Yeah, a salary cap almost

644
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Speaker 1: for how much money you can allow each player based

645
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Speaker 1: on the settlements and everything.

646
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Speaker 7: Can we can we just put like a cap on

647
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Speaker 7: transfer portal, Like why do we have why can't.

648
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Speaker 4: We limit it to one?

649
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Speaker 3: You get to transfer one?

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Speaker 1: One you get I think you get one freebie and

651
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Speaker 1: then if you want to transfer again after that, because

652
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Speaker 1: who's to say whether your situation requires it, you have

653
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Speaker 1: to sit.

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Speaker 2: Out of here.

655
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and there is some sort of penalty, but

656
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Speaker 1: it's not such that it prevents players from finding an

657
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: opportunity that fits them because, because we do know, women's

658
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: sports is rife with toxic environments. So to force an

659
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Speaker 1: athlete to stay in a situation that isn't good is

660
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Speaker 1: not the answer, but.

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Speaker 7: There should be a consequence and then a second one. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I agree, and I firmly believe, like you also have

663
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Speaker 7: to teach a young adult that, like it's not always

664
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Speaker 7: going to be great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, toxic.

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Speaker 7: Environment is very different, but like there are environments where

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Speaker 7: you're just not playing right, and like it takes a

668
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Speaker 7: couple of years to build into the program or get

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Speaker 7: good enough or confident enough that you could do it.

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Speaker 4: And if you're.

671
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Speaker 7: Constantly just like, oh, oh, let's take that, let's go

672
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Speaker 7: over there, because that's a shiny object that's you know,

673
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Speaker 7: dangling a little more money or the possibility to start

674
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Speaker 7: over there, then you're never building community, right, And I

675
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Speaker 7: look back at my Stanford people, like it is robust,

676
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Speaker 7: the thread of people that are still close and friends

677
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Speaker 7: and tight, and I just want people.

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Speaker 4: To have that community. And I feel if you're changing.

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Speaker 2: Every year, completely agree.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And there's no loyalty to the team either, right,

681
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Speaker 7: like from a fans standpoint, because.

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Speaker 4: You don't know how long they're going to be there.

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Speaker 1: Well, And that's one of the big things that drives

684
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Speaker 1: so much interest in women's basketball at the collegiate level.

685
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Speaker 6: That men's loses in the one and done. And so

686
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Speaker 6: if it becomes the same.

687
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Speaker 1: Where every single year all the women are changing teams

688
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Speaker 1: are leaving, it's going to be harder to keep to

689
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Speaker 1: your point, Abby, say the anecdote that I always share

690
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Speaker 1: when you talk about the power of women in sport. Foudy,

691
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Speaker 1: you were there when we were with Angel City at

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Speaker 1: the Sydney Opera House ahead of the World Cup. I

693
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Speaker 1: interviewed the captain of the Afghani women's national soccer team

694
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Speaker 1: and she and her team had been airlifted and flown

695
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Speaker 1: to Australia to escape the Taliban when it took over

696
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Speaker 1: their country, and they were told that they were going

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Speaker 1: first for the educated women and the women who were athletes,

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Speaker 1: because they knew that they were the most embodied, the

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Speaker 1: most sure of themselves, and the most quote unquote dangerous

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Speaker 1: to the no that the girls, the women, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: they were the most dangerous to the ideas of the

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Speaker 1: Taliban were women who played sport because of what it.

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Speaker 6: Means to be embodied.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so to know that you have that kind

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Speaker 1: of power and to look at the organizing power of

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Speaker 1: the ninety nine ers and the organizing power of the

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Speaker 1: people who fought for equity and pay women's soccer of

708
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Speaker 1: the WNBA flipping the Senate. These examples of women athletes

709
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Speaker 1: and teams that come together because they already know what

710
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: it means to fight for a singular cause. Best idea wins.

711
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: We're all going in the same direction. That's not how

712
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Speaker 1: life works. You're going to find out later once you're

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Speaker 1: not on a team anymore, how much it sucks when

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Speaker 1: people aren't best idea wins.

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Speaker 6: Let's work together. We have to take one more break.

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Speaker 1: A conclusion of my conversation with Julian Abbey is coming up.

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Speaker 1: We are celebrating so much incredible growth in women's sports,

718
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Speaker 1: record investment, better coverage, more media, all that other stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of change happening very fast. And

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Speaker 1: I look across the space and I think about a

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Speaker 1: lot of the investors are now men's sports owners because

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Speaker 1: of the billions required to be a part of the game.

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Speaker 1: Leadership maybe without as much vision then, because it's not

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Speaker 1: people embedded in the game, it's people who have the

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Speaker 1: money to play it. Toxic environments that are still happening

726
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Speaker 1: across the space, meddling from any of you saw this,

727
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Speaker 1: but there was an op ed in the Wall Street

728
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Journal that said that Caitlyn Clark getting fouled repeatedly was

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Speaker 1: a hate crime and Congress should look into it. This

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Speaker 1: to me is a little toe dip of can we

731
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Speaker 1: get politics involved in shutting down women's sports and affecting

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Speaker 1: the WNBA, which is predominantly queer and people of color.

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Speaker 1: To me, that felt like a shot across the bow

734
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Speaker 1: to try to get Congress involved in a space that's

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Speaker 1: very progressive.

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Speaker 6: What worries you the most?

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Speaker 1: Because we're so excited and it's all positive, but I

738
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Speaker 1: feel like.

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Speaker 6: There's some things we need to be keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 4: What worries me the most is that.

741
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Speaker 7: And I think you need the male allyship for sure,

742
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Speaker 7: and there and so I don't mind male owners and

743
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Speaker 7: institutional investors jumping into women's sports at all. I mean,

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Speaker 7: look at Mark Walter, kimber Walter right just talking to

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Speaker 7: the King or about.

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Speaker 4: This the other day with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps if Billy Jean King doesn't become a Dodgers owner

748
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Speaker 7: and develops the relationship that she has with Mark and kimber.

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Speaker 4: Walter, who are of course the owners of.

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Speaker 7: The Dodgers, then the PWHA, which is the Women's Ice

751
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 7: Hockey League, doesn't get founded by Mark and kimber Walter

752
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Speaker 7: and they are the single owners of six teams. I mean,

753
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Speaker 7: they have brought that league to life. What I do

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Speaker 7: worry about is what you talked about is when you

755
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Speaker 7: get into situations and we've seen it happen inside these

756
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Speaker 7: buildings where the institutional investor comes in because they see

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Speaker 7: the rate of return.

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Speaker 4: In the valuation skyrocketing on women's sports. We're living it

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Speaker 4: with Angel City.

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Speaker 7: Haven't seen that and instead of having a seat at

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Speaker 7: the table as co collaborators, right, what you see is

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Speaker 7: the women getting pushed to the side and maybe they're

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Speaker 7: given a token roll as a woman here, but that

764
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Speaker 7: the main business decisions.

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Speaker 4: Are happening with the men in the room.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I do worry about because obviously we

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Speaker 7: believe that when we can co collaborate together, men and

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Speaker 7: women like that collaboration means innovation and it means really intelligent.

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Speaker 4: Smart thinking outside the box.

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Speaker 7: Because as we know, men and women's approach women's sports

771
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Speaker 7: very differently and women approach business very differently. I think

772
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Speaker 7: we're builders of community, we're builders of unity, we're builders

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Speaker 7: of messaging and emotional, visceral things that matter to the

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Speaker 7: women's sports fan, which is very different than the male

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Speaker 7: sports fan. So I do worry about that, but I

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Speaker 7: see it actually as an incredible space with so much

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Speaker 7: potential for innovation, to rethink how we build stadiums, how

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Speaker 7: we build out infrastructure with training facilities. We are at

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Speaker 7: this moment for women's sports where we're building facilities now.

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Speaker 7: Look at Kansas City, of course, with Angie and Chris Long,

781
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Speaker 7: who are two amazing owners of the NWSL.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're seeing it with the Denver Sumbit.

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Speaker 7: They're building the second ever facility and training facility that

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Speaker 7: they're going to own.

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Speaker 4: And when women start owning.

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Speaker 7: Their facilities in their stadiums and what happens that infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Can build it differently, build it different. I think about

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Speaker 1: Angel City as anyone here been to an Angel City game. Okay,

789
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Speaker 1: So I'm telling you it will change your feeling about

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00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: how all sporting experiences can be. And one of the

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Speaker 1: small things that y'all thought of that I can't believe

792
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Speaker 1: no one else did before is when the game ends,

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Speaker 1: there's a level of the stadium that opens up and

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Speaker 1: the bar is still open, and it becomes a place

795
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Speaker 1: for everyone that just watched the game to come mingle together.

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Speaker 2: Ah to party.

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Speaker 1: And when I started my show Good Game, I literally

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Speaker 1: named it that because I thought women's sporting events were

799
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: the good place, and that's a TV show, so search

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Speaker 1: engine optimization wasn't going to help people find my show,

801
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Speaker 1: so I didn't name it a Good Game instead.

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Speaker 6: But I thought I was.

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Speaker 1: Thinking of Angel City games and how at the end

804
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Speaker 1: of the game, pretty much everyone in the stands is

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Speaker 1: someone I would want to hang out with and talk

806
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: to more, and the diversity of representation and the people

807
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: who were there to watch were people I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be friends with. So I was so glad that that

809
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: space was open after so I wasn't just sitting alongside

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Speaker 1: people in a line, but actually with them. And I

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Speaker 1: think those kind of ideas will come out of the

812
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Speaker 1: women's sports space if we're creative and innovative realizing that

813
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Speaker 1: we don't have to just be men's sports with women

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Speaker 1: playing them, Which brings me to your show, Welcome to

815
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Speaker 1: the Party, which is not yet recorded in that bar

816
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Speaker 1: after an Angel City game, but a good kind opportunity

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Speaker 1: for a live show.

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Speaker 3: I think good call there.

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Speaker 6: What did you see missing in the space? Why did you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you already have one of the most successful

821
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Speaker 1: podcasts in the world, and you already.

822
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Speaker 2: Have achieved so much.

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Speaker 6: Why did you want to do a show about women's sports?

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Speaker 5: Two reasons, well more than two, but too like personal

825
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Speaker 5: and then more business. It's like, honestly, the reason why

826
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Speaker 5: we started We Can Do Hard Things is because Glennon

827
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 5: looked across the podcast landscape in twenty twenty and saw

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Speaker 5: a bunch of mediocre white dudes growth that have like

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Speaker 5: taken over the manisphere and thought they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, we can.

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Speaker 6: Try this, and also probably ew yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean yes for sure. And so that's one reason

833
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 5: in terms of why we started podcasting in general. And

834
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Speaker 5: then this kind of this transformation that I've been going

835
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Speaker 5: through for the last many years. I miss sports and

836
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 5: I've been actively kind of staying outside of it. Before

837
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Speaker 5: I felt like I was ready to come back, and

838
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Speaker 5: I and I was kind of kicking the idea around

839
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Speaker 5: with Glennon. We took the week and Do Hard Things

840
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Speaker 5: podcast independent and are now running it ourselves. Because again,

841
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Speaker 5: once you all get into the world of business, you

842
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 5: will realize that there's a lot of people between you

843
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 5: and any community that you're trying to serve, and oftentimes

844
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 5: along that path there are middle men or people that

845
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Speaker 5: are taking percentage points percentage points peronage points away and

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Speaker 5: or changing the content as it goes out to appeal

847
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Speaker 5: and appease to sponsors or bigger business that you're in

848
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Speaker 5: bed with, right And so this idea in this move

849
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Speaker 5: to go independent was to have complete autonomy and control

850
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Speaker 5: over what ads we run, if we run ads, how

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Speaker 5: we do the content, etc.

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Speaker 3: And not being.

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Speaker 5: Attached to a bigger corporation that in you know, in

854
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Speaker 5: the world of the corporate landscape, feels a little bit

855
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: daunting right now. So in the process of building out

856
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 5: the independent production company, I started kicking out around the

857
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Speaker 5: idea with our ad agency that we work with, what

858
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Speaker 5: would it be like if I started a podcast and

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Speaker 5: how much money do you think we could make and

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Speaker 5: how would this work? And so that's honestly when I

861
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 5: started thinking about it, and I knew Julie was trying

862
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Speaker 5: to figure out a place for her laughter permitted podcast

863
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 5: to land, and unbeknownst to me, I just decided one

864
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Speaker 5: day on the drive to an Angel City game I

865
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Speaker 5: said to Glennon, I think I'm going to start a

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Speaker 5: women's sports podcast. She's like, that's amazing. And fast forward

867
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Speaker 5: thirty minutes I see Julie who's talking to Billy Jean King.

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Speaker 5: They were also talking about starting getting together and figuring

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Speaker 5: out a podcast world that maybe Billy could tap into,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, well, maybe we should do this.

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Speaker 5: So Universe inspired very much did.

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Speaker 4: And of course it was at an Angel City game.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it very much did. It very much did.

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's it's not for the weary, Like

875
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: podcasting in general, it's a heavy lift. It's not just

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Speaker 5: like I'm going to show up and talk about like sports.

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00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: It's like there's a ton of pre production. There's there's

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Speaker 5: thinking about long term calendaring. Here we are with the calendaring.

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Speaker 5: If you take anything away from this, figure out the

880
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Speaker 5: calendar and you'll be good.

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Speaker 4: Well, now, Mann, just get Billy Jean King to do

882
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Speaker 4: a podcast with you.

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Speaker 5: That helps that.

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Speaker 1: Now you can be a whole lesbian because you had

885
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Speaker 1: the half of talking ideas to death with your other podcast,

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Speaker 1: and the.

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Speaker 6: Other half is of course sports.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Oh yes, now.

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Speaker 3: I'm a full lesbian moment.

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Speaker 1: Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports

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Speaker 1: production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

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Speaker 6: You get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are alex Azzie

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Speaker 1: Grace Lynch, Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones. Our executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Emily Rudder, Britney Martinez and Gianna Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Production assistants from Avery Loftus and I'm Your Host Sarah

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Speaker 1: Spain