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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We

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Speaker 1: hope all of you had fabulous weekends. And boy, we

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Speaker 1: are jumping right into the deep end of the pool

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Speaker 1: with a major news day underway. We will discuss the

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Speaker 1: outcome of the Anchorage Summit, but already it is being

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Speaker 1: replaced by Zelenski on his way to the White House

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Speaker 1: along with many of the top leaders from throughout Europe.

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Speaker 1: This will be one of the largest collections of leaders

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Speaker 1: to ever visit the White House at one point in time.

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Speaker 1: Here is the list, European Commissioned President Ursula Vonderline. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's not a good one to start with. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea how to pronounce that last name, man wonder

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Speaker 1: lay In, is that right? Italian Prime Minister Georgia. Well, anyway, Italy, France, Britain,

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Speaker 1: Germany and Finland, along with the Secretary General of NATO,

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Speaker 1: all going to be participating in this huge meeting. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: let's just dive right into it because I think this

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Speaker 1: is the essence of the question. It seems to me,

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Speaker 1: and you sign off or you take issue with my

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Speaker 1: analysis here, it seems to me that we now have

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Speaker 1: a sense for what both sides want, And the question

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Speaker 1: is can there be some sort of negotiated settlement slash

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Speaker 1: cease fire. And I've got an idea of how this ends,

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Speaker 1: but I want to see if you sign on or

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Speaker 1: if you think it goes a different direction. The thing

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Speaker 1: that Israel, the thing that Israel, the thing that Russia

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Speaker 1: wants the most, is the province of Dnesku or Danosk

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Speaker 1: or however you pronounce it. And it seems quite clear

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Speaker 1: that that is their primary aim here, and they have

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Speaker 1: about eighty percent of it so far, and they want

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of it.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine is saying we will not give up any land.

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Speaker 1: I understand that argument. I think that is past. There

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Speaker 1: is no world in which Ukraine does not have to

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Speaker 1: give up land. The question is how much. What Ukraine

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Speaker 1: most wants is some form of security guarantee. And it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that there is a resolution of this

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Speaker 1: conflict that would potentially look something like what happened with

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Speaker 1: North and South Korea. I don't know that you have

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Speaker 1: a demilitarized zone necessarily, but we still have a ton

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Speaker 1: of troops in South Korea. Technically that war has never

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Speaker 1: really ended, but we provided security guarantees, and as a

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Speaker 1: result there is a sort of a tenuous piece that

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Speaker 1: is now extended for multiple generations. That feels to me

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Speaker 1: like the most likely outcome here. Ukraine gets some form

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Speaker 1: of security guarantee, Russia gets more of the Ukrainian land,

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Speaker 1: and we have a tenuous peace that is put in

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Speaker 1: place with security guarantee in some way trying to act

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Speaker 1: as a major point of dissuading Russia from ever invading

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Speaker 1: more parts of Ukraine going forward. Do you sign off

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Speaker 1: on that idea, that framework in general. If not, what

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Speaker 1: do you think needs to be added to the equation?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we now know after the meeting with Trump and

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Speaker 3: putin which I saw, of course, a lot of people

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Speaker 3: in the media who are anti Trump were rushing to say, see,

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Speaker 3: they don't have a deal. There wasn't going to be

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Speaker 3: a deal because Ukraine's not there. It's about laying the

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Speaker 3: groundwork for a deal. This is the biggest, nastiest, most

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Speaker 3: horrible conflict military conflict in the world right now. It

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Speaker 3: is not something that you can just snap your fingers

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Speaker 3: and it goes away. Trump is trying to bring this

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Speaker 3: to a conclusion. If he does so, it will be

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Speaker 3: the most successful act of diplomacy from an American president

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Speaker 3: in I don't know, Clay, since Reagan bringing down the

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Speaker 3: Berlin Wall and ending the Cold War. I mean, really

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Speaker 3: you have to go back quite nothing Clinton did, nothing

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Speaker 3: really president as we know. So this is high stakes,

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Speaker 3: the highest stakes. And yes, you're right, this is really

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Speaker 3: what it comes down to. You have the Ukrainians who

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Speaker 3: currently have, and that's what's so what the Russian demand

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Speaker 3: then some to stop this war. That's what's come out

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Speaker 3: of this sit down with Trump and putin. The Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: Need to know that this is really it. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit like if you're being blackmailed, what's

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Speaker 3: question is, Okay, if I give you a bag of money,

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Speaker 2: More of Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: That's where the security guarantees come in, now, Clay, the

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Speaker 3: challenge on the security guarantee front is that starts to

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Speaker 3: be military. Now I'm sure what's happening is it's going

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Speaker 3: to be European partners, you know, financial and economic sanctions arrayed.

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Speaker 3: The problem though, is that that's not enough. And this

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Speaker 3: is something that we've all seen over and over again.

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Speaker 3: Sanctions are a tool. They are not an answer. They

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Speaker 3: were not an answer in a rock with Saddam Hussein.

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Speaker 3: They were not an answer with well, the Kadafi thing,

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Speaker 3: the Obama Clinton apparatus decided to topple him, but sanctions

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Speaker 3: alone don't just end things for you. So Clay, this

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Speaker 3: is where this is where the detailed negotiations really matter.

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Speaker 3: You know, what is a security guarantee? What security guarantee

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Speaker 3: for Ukraine is sufficient other than we will put US

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Speaker 3: troops in harm's way or US troops will be the cavalry.

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Speaker 3: If after this deal Russia decides to restart hostilities, I

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should do that.

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Speaker 3: And so then is what's a realistic security guarantee for

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Speaker 3: a country that the UK Russia and America all promised

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Speaker 3: when it gave up its nukes big mistake, we will

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Speaker 3: guarantee your security forty years ago or whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: So this is tough stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm sympathetic for Ukraine because, as you hit on, it's

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Speaker 1: not that they're concerned about necessarily how this conflict resolves.

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Speaker 1: It's that the last decade plus of Russian behavior has

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Speaker 1: we have a very strong defensive works and if we

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Speaker 1: I've been over the weekend. I was kind of going

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Speaker 2: Clay, this is.

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Speaker 3: World War One trench warfare with drones and satellite communications.

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Speaker 2: That's where we are. So you have a.

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Speaker 3: Very detailed I mean, the Wall Street Journal had this

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Speaker 3: But this one is being specifically built to be anti

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Speaker 2: All of you who are GWAT veterans.

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Speaker 2: So this is very reminiscent of the trenches in the

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Speaker 3: It's just higher technology and they have to be very

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Speaker 3: cognizant of these drones, these anti personnel drones that are

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Speaker 3: And it is brutal warfare. A lot of people are

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Speaker 1: Trump said, And I don't know how accurate. This is

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Speaker 1: because sometimes casualties get conflated with deaths. Trump said twenty

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Speaker 1: Anchorage is we now know I think somewhat what Putin wants,

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Speaker 1: didn't get an immediate ceasefire, and I understand that that

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Speaker 1: It's not a ceasefire, and so Ukraine's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: I think the big the asterisk though play is we

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Speaker 1: there's a big stumbling block here for Ukraine. That's what

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Speaker 1: gets in the security guarantees, if they could be certain

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Speaker 1: that the territory that Russia already has maybe plus a

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Speaker 3: I think that they feel that this war has been

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Speaker 3: the Russian Meskarovka, the Deception War, the oh there's some

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Speaker 3: separatists who are all just Russians being ordered out of Moscow,

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Speaker 3: that it would be a ceasefire and then give it

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Speaker 3: why not? And so I think that's where this becomes

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Speaker 1: Time, which is why I think maybe a solution yere

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Speaker 1: is some form of demilitarized zone. I know it's more

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Speaker 1: complicated because no one lives in the demilitarized zone and

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Speaker 1: this would theoretically be places where people have been living,

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Speaker 1: but that seems to me the best way to potentially

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Speaker 3: It's basically what they're building. I mean, when you're talking

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Speaker 3: about the expansive it's hundreds of miles of these fortifications Clay.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in, Clay, Travis buck Sexton. Shit, all of

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Speaker 1: We are trying to bring peace, and I do believe

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Speaker 1: And so to me, Buck, I think the most difficult

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Speaker 3: I hope for you have CNN's Harry Anson here. I

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Speaker 6: formally recognized as being given that Russia could in fact

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Speaker 6: stay and that does have a majority sport. But the

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Speaker 6: idea of formal recognition of Russia's man's absolutely not clay.

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Speaker 3: This is the challenge when you're dealing with the Russian

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Speaker 3: military is you have to be you have to be

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Speaker 3: ready for the fact that they will make blunders. They

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Speaker 3: will do things that make it seem like there's tremendous

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Speaker 3: incompetence in the ranks of leadership. They will make big mistakes,

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Speaker 3: but they will keep the meat grinder of Russian casualties going.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think historically, and we could get

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Speaker 3: into this another time maybe, like the Russian psychology around

447
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Speaker 3: warfare is whatever it takes, however many it takes, and

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Speaker 3: they have a lot more people than Ukraine. So if

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Speaker 3: you're in a World War One trench warfare style setup,

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Speaker 3: which is effectively what they are, this is trench warfare

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Speaker 3: two point zero on the Ukraine front. If that's where

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Speaker 3: things are, you're also in a war of attrition, which

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Speaker 3: you know, I find the First World War both fascinating

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Speaker 3: and horrifying right when you read about the history of it,

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Speaker 3: and any of you who haven't seen it, just as

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Speaker 3: in a side to get a sense of what it

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Speaker 3: was like, that movie All Quiet on the Western Front

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Speaker 3: the Netflix put out is a fantastic movie.

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Speaker 2: Harrowing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not it's not like a pleasant watch

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Speaker 3: in that sense, but it really shows you what trench

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Speaker 3: warfare in the First World War was like. And now

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Speaker 3: we're in a place where the casualties are mounting, but

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Speaker 3: Russia can afford far higher casualties in the Ukrainians, and

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Speaker 3: because there's no political mechanism of pressure on Putin, really

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Speaker 3: no internal political mechanism of pressure.

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Speaker 2: He just keeps it going.

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Speaker 3: And this is when you're up against autocracy, and Russia

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Speaker 3: is an autocracy.

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Speaker 2: We understand that when you're up against an autocracy.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the challenges democracies have to care

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Speaker 3: about body counts. Whether you think Ukraine is truly democracy

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Speaker 3: or not, I know he but Ukrainian people certainly they

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Speaker 3: think that they should have more of a voice in

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Speaker 3: this than what you have with the Russians. Autocrats can

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Speaker 3: just feed people into the meat grinder until they decide enough,

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Speaker 3: until they decide enough is enough. And that's where putin

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Speaker 3: I think Clay has positioned himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I think the Trump mediator role also

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Speaker 1: then becomes how involved does the United States get? And

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Speaker 1: I do think I know everybody wants to pretend that

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Speaker 1: we're not involved. I still think the fact that we're

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Speaker 1: giving almost all the weapons that are being used to

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Speaker 1: kill the Russians, it's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right, I mean, I know nobody really wants

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. But if you are constantly giving

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Speaker 1: someone weapons that they're using to kill other people, at

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Speaker 1: some point in time, most people would see that as

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Speaker 1: you being an accessory. I mean, this is the entire

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Speaker 1: argument about Iran's involvement with Hezbola, Iran's involvement with Hamas,

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Speaker 1: Iran's involvement with the UTIs and so many other different

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Speaker 1: terror groups. It's that they fund the weaponry that allows

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Speaker 1: them to execute the terrorism. If I lived in Russia,

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Speaker 1: the idea that the United States is claiming that it

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Speaker 1: is in some way not involved when every weapon that

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Speaker 1: is basically being used to kill Russian troops is produced

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Speaker 1: and provided by the United States by and large, I

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Speaker 1: know there's some European assistants weapon wise, I would find

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Speaker 1: that hard to accept. And so when I think about

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Speaker 1: what the security agreement's going to look like, Buck, We've

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Speaker 1: provided a certain level of securitized in a securitization to

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Speaker 1: Ukraine already, so boots on the ground is a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. But when you're providing all of the weapons,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's hard to say, well, the United

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Speaker 1: States a completely unbiased participant non combatant here.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's I don't think enough of this part

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Speaker 3: of the Soviet Afghan War that is in the public consciousness,

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Speaker 3: because you know, everyone's seeing Charlie Wilson's war pretty much,

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Speaker 3: very slick, a little glib, but it's it's a good movie,

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Speaker 3: it's a good watch, but it glides over some stuff.

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Speaker 3: You had about a million Afghans killed in that war,

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Speaker 3: and the upper estimate is more like two million. A

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Speaker 3: million people dead in that from all kinds of Soviet

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Speaker 3: you know, everything, the enemy fire and.

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Speaker 1: A lesson maybe that we should have thought of before

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Speaker 1: we went into Afghanistan, by the way, like in recent

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Speaker 1: history about that place basically being unconquerable or the.

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Speaker 3: Lesson that too British wars in that region learned very painfully,

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Speaker 3: or Alexander the Great learned very painfully, or go down

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Speaker 3: the list. It's just an ungovernable region for a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of reasons. Really, the topography is a huge part

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Speaker 3: of it. And having seen that topography, especially when you

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Speaker 3: get up in a helicopter and you see Afghanistan, You're like,

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Speaker 3: how's anyone going to control this place? Place is wild,

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Speaker 3: very hard to control. You know, I was This is

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Speaker 3: I know, quite an aside, but I was just an

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Speaker 3: Apalachically it's very hard to control mountain people who don't

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Speaker 3: want to be controlled, especially in a pre computer, pre

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Speaker 3: industrial age. So that's something that all over the world,

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Speaker 3: all throughout history, whether you're in Scotland or you're in

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Speaker 3: Southeast Asia, people who live in the mountains tend to

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Speaker 3: tell the government to you know, to leave, you know,

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Speaker 3: bleep off if you will. But back to the casualty

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Speaker 3: rates here. This is why you know, early on, I

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Speaker 3: mean I kept saying, and I'm remembering this because there

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Speaker 3: was a tremendous ebulliance once. And to be clear, I

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Speaker 3: don't wish that Putin had taken, you know, the capital

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Speaker 3: of the Ukraine and cut the country in half. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying I just wish the war had ed it

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Speaker 3: a long time ago. Like one way or another, this

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Speaker 3: thing being over would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

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Speaker 3: That would have been a better outcome, I think, given

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Speaker 3: all the people who are now killed. And you're talking

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Speaker 3: about the switch of territory, switching territory in areas where

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Speaker 3: you know, Russia is not Nazi Germany. Okay, they're not

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Speaker 3: going to exterminate all the Russian speaking peoples in these

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Speaker 3: areas or something. You're talking about Russian federation versus Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: control at the end of the day, and you know

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Speaker 3: they're not. The Russians are not going to be operating

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Speaker 3: death camps for they're not. They'd certainly not do it

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Speaker 3: in Crimea, which they took, right, So I think we

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Speaker 3: have to also keep that into context here. We're not

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Speaker 3: trying to hold back the Russian Federation from committing genocide

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Speaker 3: against the civilian population once it has control. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's going to happen at all. There are a

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Speaker 3: lot of Russian speaking peoples.

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Speaker 2: In the East.

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Speaker 3: This never gets talked about, but I've actually known some

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Speaker 3: of them. I've known Ukrainian Russian speaking Ukrainians Clay who

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Speaker 3: actually would this is this is like, I know this

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Speaker 3: is a traitorous comment to the Slava Ukrainian, but there

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Speaker 3: are some people in the Far East who would rather

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Speaker 3: be a part of the Russian Federation. They see it

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Speaker 3: as a much more powerful country with much better long

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Speaker 3: term prospects. That is reality too, right, So I think

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Speaker 3: that has to be taken into camp when we're negotiating this.

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Speaker 3: It's not are you going to be in East Berlin

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Speaker 3: or West Berlin?

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Speaker 1: Uh, It's it's not North and South Korea, like you

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Speaker 1: can't leave North Korea, right, I mean, we want to

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Speaker 1: continue to have ingress and egress outside of these countries

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Speaker 1: going forward.

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Speaker 3: I mean the perfect example this would be look at Crimea.

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing stories about you know, death camps in

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Speaker 3: Crimea for the Russian speaking, No, Russians control it now.

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Speaker 3: They have Russian passports and it's kind of business as

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Speaker 3: usual in a lot of ways over there.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be flipping about it, but that's

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Speaker 3: what's gone on there. That is the outcome that we

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Speaker 3: really want to see. To stop the carnage in eastern Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: Russian Federation takes over. I know it's you know, upsetting

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Speaker 3: to a lot of people in Ukraine, a lot of Ukrainians.

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Speaker 3: But if they don't like that as the end state,

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Speaker 3: they have to come up with what's the better answer,

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Speaker 3: And we, the American people have to always in the

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Speaker 3: background be thinking America first. We just want this thing

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Speaker 3: to end. That's the most important thing. We don't want

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Speaker 3: this conflict to continue on. It is bad for humanity,

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Speaker 3: it is bad for business. It is bad for.

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Speaker 2: Us because we are funding this thing.

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Speaker 3: I think I said when it started it'll end up

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Speaker 3: costing a trillion dollars. I think Clay when you look

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Speaker 3: at the European and American cost in this, it will

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Speaker 3: be pretty close to that. When all's said and done,

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Speaker 3: it's already in the hundreds of billions. We're already on

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Speaker 3: the hook for I think two hundred billion on this.

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Speaker 3: So we are not just bystanders trying to bring about

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Speaker 3: an end. We're also very much incentivized for that end

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Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, we'll take some of your calls, by the way,

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Speaker 1: your reactions, and a lot more as this is ongoing.

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Speaker 1: And keep in mind, we don't know exactly how this

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Speaker 1: is going to go. Remember the last time Zolensky, I believe,

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Speaker 1: visited the White House, it kind of got some fireworks.

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Speaker 1: So we may have to break in, we may have

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Speaker 1: press conferences. We don't expect again all the European leaders

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Speaker 1: in the White House right now, Zolinski there. We will

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Speaker 1: see how all of this continues to play out. But

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Everybody.

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Speaker 3: It is is a big day at the White House.

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Speaker 2: You've got European leaders.

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Speaker 3: Vladimir Zelenski of Ukraine, Donald Trump his top team sitting

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Speaker 3: in terms of men in materiel, the biggest conflict in

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Speaker 3: the world right now, and we will bring you updates

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Speaker 3: on this. We're also obviously very much watching what's going

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Speaker 3: on in Israel and in Gaza.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There seems to be some possible breaking news there.

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Speaker 3: Do we haven't confirmed yet about well got.

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Speaker 1: And Hamas has evidently agreed to some of the terms

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Speaker 1: in terms of a cease fire and a prisoner exchange,

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Speaker 1: and we haven't heard Israel's response. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: different big stories in geopolitics happening in real time right now.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about boosting the I mean not

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Speaker 3: that everything's about the economy, but sort of boosting the

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Speaker 3: global economy. We end that war, you know, the Israel

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Speaker 3: finishes the job, ends that war, this war in Ukraine

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Speaker 3: comes to a conclusion. The world could be at peace.

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Speaker 3: Actually it could happen for a while here at least

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Speaker 3: most the major conflicts. Let's take James in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, James?

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Speaker 8: Yes, good afternoon you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, fire away, we got you.

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Speaker 8: Yep. Yes. I was a student of the Limball advanced

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Speaker 8: conservative studies, and one of the things that Rush definitely

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Speaker 8: said was there's some exceptions, but for the most part,

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Speaker 8: until there's a decisive victory, you know, there's just no peace.

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Speaker 3: That may be the case here, and that's that's the challenge,

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Speaker 3: that's the problem. Remember in World War One, the decisive

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Speaker 3: victory only came with American intervention. So that's a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a scary Uh. That's a that's not necessarily

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Speaker 3: the historical parallel we want to be citing.

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Speaker 1: I also think buck the calendar matters here. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about this a little bit, but the weather is so

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Speaker 1: brutal in the winter there that moving men and materiel

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Speaker 1: becomes very difficult. So and the winter obviously hits faster

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine than it does here, So you're only talking

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Speaker 1: about a fighting season of two and a half three

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Speaker 1: more months at this point too.

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Speaker 2: Mike, in Massachusetts, we got about forty seconds go for.

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Speaker 7: It, okay, real quick. One of the things that I

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Speaker 7: don't think you guys have mentioned is how China fits

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Speaker 7: into this equation and how they have essentially been a

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Speaker 7: bulwark for the Russian economy when this whole thing started.

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Speaker 7: I think one of the objectives of the Europeans and

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Speaker 7: probably the Democrats here was their hatred of Putin was

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Speaker 7: a driving force, and thinking we would bleed Russia dry

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Speaker 7: eventually and that Putin would basically be overthrown a dozen

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Speaker 7: seem to be playing out.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point, Buck, and we should talk about

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Speaker 1: the China impact also the economic side on the backside

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Speaker 1: of this. When we come back, second hour, good quality,

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Speaker 1: good call, we'll discuss.

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Speaker 3: We'll dive well, no, we'll dive into that because remember,

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Speaker 3: the sanctions were supposed to destroy the Russian economy.

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Speaker 2: That's what they said three years ago. Not even close.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about why