WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Heidi Planck [Update]

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<v Speaker 2>On Sunday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty one, thirty nine year

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<v Speaker 2>old Heidi Plank left her home in West Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>near Culver City to head out to her eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>old son's football game in Downey, which was about seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>miles away. Heidi and her husband, Jim Wayne, had divorced

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<v Speaker 2>a few years earlier. They shared custody of their son.

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<v Speaker 2>When she left the house that day, security footage showed

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<v Speaker 2>her dressed in jeans and a white T shirt with

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<v Speaker 2>a smiley face on it. She had a gray sweater

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped around her waist. Heidi had her black purse with

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<v Speaker 2>her and also had her dog, a labradoodle named Seven,

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<v Speaker 2>with her when she got into her silver range Rover.

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<v Speaker 2>The dog and the purse will become very important later.

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<v Speaker 2>I have covered and followed this story for several years now.

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<v Speaker 2>We covered it a couple of years ago on a

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<v Speaker 2>previous episode of Helengne Murder Line. And when I first

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<v Speaker 2>saw this story, I remember thinking that I related to

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie immediately because I also have a small dog who

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<v Speaker 2>goes everywhere with me. Heidi Plank went to her son's game.

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<v Speaker 2>At that game, people noticed that she seemed nervous. Her

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<v Speaker 2>ex husband, Jim Wayne later used the word agitated. Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>left abruptly at halftime at around four thirty pm and

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<v Speaker 2>was never seen alive again by her friends and family,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't take long for the rumors to start

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<v Speaker 2>flying about Heidie's past struggles with drugs, Heidie's boss, his

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<v Speaker 2>links to big money and powerful people in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>I said before that this story was playing out like

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<v Speaker 2>a real life version of the movie Chinatown, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of new updates in this case about

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<v Speaker 2>illegal gambling rings, organized crime, and what happened to Heidie's boss,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman and the millions of dollars that prosecutors allege

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<v Speaker 2>he stole from a Native American tribe. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past eight years of making my true crime podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Telling Gone, I've learned that there is no such thing

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<v Speaker 2>as a small town where murder never happens. I have

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<v Speaker 2>received hundreds of messages from people all around the country

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<v Speaker 2>asking for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them,

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Everyone in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles seemed to be obsessed with the Heidi Plank case.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of threads to follow, and from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, one thing that struck a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>was that, from the outside, Heidi's story didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense. The details of her life didn't quite add up.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of angles for police to consider.

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi had had a contentious divorce with her ex husband,

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<v Speaker 2>a high power job that it wasn't clear that she

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<v Speaker 2>had the experience for, and her boss was being investigated

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<v Speaker 2>by the SEC. But before all that, and before the

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<v Speaker 2>rumors of wild parties, illegal gambling rings, and organized crime

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<v Speaker 2>kicked in, we have to back up and figure out

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<v Speaker 2>who was Heidi and what was going on in her

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<v Speaker 2>life at the time she disappeared. Heidi was born and

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<v Speaker 2>raised in Buffalo, New York. She moved to California in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one to go to college. Heidi started

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<v Speaker 2>her career in in real estate. After graduation. According to

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<v Speaker 2>her LinkedIn page, Heidi worked for Coldwell Banker and Douglas Ellman,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she started working for a company called Camden

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<v Speaker 2>Capital Partners. Her boss there was forty eight year old

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman. Now Jason Sugarman is well known in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles finance circles. He graduated from Yale and is described

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<v Speaker 2>as a leader in the finance industry, and he describes

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<v Speaker 2>himself on his website as a father, CEO, and philanthropist.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman's father in law is Peter Goober, the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Dodgers. Police were taking a look at everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in Heidie's life, including her ex husband, Jim Wayne, a

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three year old hairstylist in Beverly Hills. Heidi and

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<v Speaker 2>Jim married in two thousand and eight, and they divorced

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<v Speaker 2>four years later. Now, Jim and Heidi had had their

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<v Speaker 2>issues like many divorce couples, and they went through a

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<v Speaker 2>custody battle during their divorce. Jim claimed that after their

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<v Speaker 2>son was born, Heidi had to struggled with postpartum depression,

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<v Speaker 2>and according to court documents, Jim claimed that in late

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, Heidi had had what he described as a

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<v Speaker 2>full psychotic break. He said due to her addiction to adderall.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time, Jim had had full custody of their son,

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<v Speaker 2>named Bond, But then Jim said that Heidi got better

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<v Speaker 2>and in twenty seventeen they began sharing joint custody. Since then,

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<v Speaker 2>they had been getting along and successfully co parenting. Police

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<v Speaker 2>did look into the relationship between Jim Wayne and Heidi.

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<v Speaker 2>He was completely cooperative with the investigation. He reported her

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<v Speaker 2>missing immediately and also court records show that Jim had

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<v Speaker 2>paid Heidi a lump sum in twenty twelve when they divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had not sent her money since then. Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>earned more than Jim, and actually Heidi paid Jim child support,

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<v Speaker 2>So Jim did not appear to have any motive, either

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<v Speaker 2>personal or financial, for causing Heidi harm, and the police

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<v Speaker 2>did not consider Jim a suspect in Heidie's disappearance. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>told LA magazine that after their split, Heidi had started

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<v Speaker 2>her new job working for Camden Capital Partners, first as

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<v Speaker 2>an assistant and later as a financial controller. Jim later

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<v Speaker 2>told Dateline Heidi didn't have the education for that type

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<v Speaker 2>of senior finance job, and he claimed that before Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>went missing, she told him that she was nervous about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that her boss, Jason Sugarman, supposedly put her

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<v Speaker 2>name on financial documents connected to the firm. So what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on on the day Heidi disappeared? What caused

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<v Speaker 2>her to be on edge at the game and to

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<v Speaker 2>leave early. Jim said that after the game, the last

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<v Speaker 2>time that he saw or heard from Heidi was at

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<v Speaker 2>around seven pm that night, when she responded to one

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<v Speaker 2>of her son Bond's texts about the game. Bond sent

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<v Speaker 2>another text after that, talking about a play he made,

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<v Speaker 2>but Heidi did not respond to that text. Jim told

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<v Speaker 2>multiple media outlets that that was completely out of character

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<v Speaker 2>for Heidi and that she would never not respond to

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<v Speaker 2>her son. Court record show that Bond continued to reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to his mother. On October eighteenth, at seven thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one pm, Bond wrote in a text message, can you

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<v Speaker 2>please call me back? I called you two days in

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<v Speaker 2>a row and you haven't picked up. On October twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi was supposed to pick Bond up from school to

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<v Speaker 2>start her custody time, but she never showed up. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>picked his son up and drove straight to the police

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<v Speaker 2>station to report Heidi missing, and once Jim started calling

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<v Speaker 2>around to Heidie's friends, he realized the last confirmed sighting

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<v Speaker 2>of her seemed to be at Bond's football game on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Police talked to Heidie's friends and acquaintances, including a guy

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<v Speaker 2>she was seeing at the time, Naim Salaam, who worked

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<v Speaker 2>for the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative in San Francisco, but police

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<v Speaker 2>quickly found out Heidie's boyfriend had been in the Bay

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<v Speaker 2>Area during the entire time when Hidie went missing. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he told police he thought Hidie had been annoyed with

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<v Speaker 2>him and possibly ghosting him. Police quickly confirmed he was

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of miles away at his home when Hidie went missing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did not consider him a suspect. Hide's boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>told police something else. He said that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>last times he talked with her, Heidi said she was

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<v Speaker 2>afraid or worried about something. Heidie's boyfriend told Jim Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>that she had texted him that she was scared and

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<v Speaker 2>asked him to come down to La to visit her

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend she went missing, but Naim said he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it that weekend. So what was the source of

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie's stress and fear? Could it have been connected to

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<v Speaker 2>her job or her boss, Jason Sugarman. There had been

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<v Speaker 2>some major stresses on Jason Sugarman at that time related

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<v Speaker 2>to the SEC investigation that detailed an alleged multimillion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>scam perpetuated by Jason and his business partner, Jason Galanis.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Galanas had a lot of business interests, including creating

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<v Speaker 2>a billing service for adult websites, which led to Forbes

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<v Speaker 2>calling Jason Galanis, Porn's new king. According to the SEC indictment,

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<v Speaker 2>Galanas and Sugarman, the two Jasons, as they referred to them,

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<v Speaker 2>stole forty three million dollars from pension funds of a

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<v Speaker 2>Native American tribe of the Sioux Nation. Court documents stated

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<v Speaker 2>that this alleged scam started back in twenty fourteen, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Galanis and his father, John Galanis obtained tribal bonds

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<v Speaker 2>and convinced the tribe that they would sell these bonds

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<v Speaker 2>and use the proceeds to invest the money for the tribe. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC claimed they simply stole the money. Later, Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Galanis and Jason Sugarman bought a bunch of companies together,

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<v Speaker 2>including Hughes Capital Management LLC and Atlantic Asset Management LLC. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC said that they also named a code defendant

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<v Speaker 2>into a management role of these enterprises, but the indictment

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<v Speaker 2>claimed this person they had named was really just a

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<v Speaker 2>straw man, and that actually the two Jasons remained in

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<v Speaker 2>control of everything. And then, according to the indictment, Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Galanis and Jason Sugarman allegedly began laundering money through a

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<v Speaker 2>series of fraudulent transactions. They and their co defendants allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>stole sixty million dollars from the Native American Travel Corporation

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<v Speaker 2>and more money from other companies they'd acquired. The indictment

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<v Speaker 2>stated that Jason Sugarman was quote the biggest winner from

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<v Speaker 2>the fraud and that he ultimately siphoned almost nine million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in cash for his direct and personal benefit end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman was also mentioned in connection with Hunter Biden's

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<v Speaker 2>now notorious life laptop. Emails from Hunter's laptop reportedly showed

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<v Speaker 2>that Jason was a director and key shareholder of Burnham

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<v Speaker 2>Financial Group, and that group pitched a major deal to

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter's Chinese business partners in twenty fifteen. Another one of

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman's partners who's also mentioned in the SEC indictment

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<v Speaker 2>is Hunter's friend and business partner Devon Archer. Hunter Biden's

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer has said that Hunter had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Native American bond scheme. The lawyer said this scheme

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<v Speaker 2>just happened to be happening at the same time as

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<v Speaker 2>the negotiations with the Chinese investors. According to The Sun,

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter's lawyer said Hunter's name had been used without his knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Hunter's business interests were not affiliated with the

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<v Speaker 2>Burnham Group or with the defendants and the tribal bond case.

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<v Speaker 2>In January of twenty seventeen, Jason Galanis pled guilty to

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<v Speaker 2>criminal charges in connection with the fraud, and he began

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<v Speaker 2>serving a sentence of one hundred and seventy three months.

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Archer was convicted for his involvement in the tribal

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<v Speaker 2>scam in twenty eighteen. He was sentenced to three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty six days in federal prison and ordered to

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<v Speaker 2>make restitution in the amount of over forty three million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars according to the Department of Justice. But the case

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<v Speaker 2>against Jason Sugarman was very much active in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one when Heidi Plankq went missing and there was another

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<v Speaker 2>piece of evidence that would come into play, Heidi's work laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Wayne went to Heidie's house on October twentieth. He

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<v Speaker 2>found her work laptop and phone. He turned those over

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<v Speaker 2>to police, and at the same time, Jim was also

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<v Speaker 2>starting to do some of his own detective work by

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<v Speaker 2>trying to track some of Heidi's other devices. Jim tried

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<v Speaker 2>to track Heidi's car with the location tracking system, but

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<v Speaker 2>according to court documents, Heidi's location services were not on,

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<v Speaker 2>and he tried to find my phone feature on her

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone and Apple Watch and her earbuds, but he later

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<v Speaker 2>said the location features for all of those devices were

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<v Speaker 2>disabled as well. He openly stated he wondered if this

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<v Speaker 2>was a coincidence or if someone other than Heidi had

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<v Speaker 2>turned those tracking devices off. Jim Wayne said that on

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty first, the day after he reported Heidi missing,

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<v Speaker 2>he got a phone call from an SEC executive asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions about Jason Sugarman. Then something else, very strange happened.

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<v Speaker 2>CBS Los Angeles ran video of Jason Sugarman ringing Heidi's

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<v Speaker 2>doorbell and then leaving donuts on the doorstep, video that

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<v Speaker 2>the news station says was captured a day or two

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<v Speaker 2>after Heidi went missing. In that footage, you can see

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<v Speaker 2>Jason ringing the bell once, dropping the donuts, and leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem to hesitate at all or try to

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<v Speaker 2>look inside. Heidi's finances were also being question by investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>As we said before, Heidi worked as a financial controller

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<v Speaker 2>for Camden Capital Partners, which reportedly gave her a salary

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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred and forty five thousand dollars per year,

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<v Speaker 2>plus generous bonuses. Police were starting to ask how she

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<v Speaker 2>could afford the rent on her one point seven million

0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.000
<v Speaker 2>dollar townhouse and how she could afford to buy a

0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:11.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety thousand dollars fully loaded land Rover. To complicate matters further,

0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Heidi's rented Culver City property was listed in corporate documents

0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and public records as the company office of Camden Capital Partners.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was questioned about her finances, Jim Wayne told

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Magazine, quote, You're going to have to ask

0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Heidi or her boss. All I know is that she

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<v Speaker 2>always had piles of cash and took a lot of vacations.

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<v Speaker 2>She told me that her boss floats her money when

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<v Speaker 2>they close a deal. End quote. According to a transcript

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<v Speaker 2>of a hearing relation to Heidie's laptop, the prosecution in

0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman's case stated that Heidie's disappearance was separately being

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<v Speaker 2>investigated by the LAPD as a homicide, while the judge

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<v Speaker 2>in Jason's case was trying to figure out who might

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<v Speaker 2>have rights to the items in Heidie's home in a

0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.720
<v Speaker 2>rented storage unit. The filings to the SEC connected to

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<v Speaker 2>the case were sealed with a protective order, so a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the details were not made public, which just

0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.400
<v Speaker 2>added to the speculation and intrigue around this case. Jim

0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Wayne told LA magazine and others that he believed Jason

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Sugarman could be connected to Heidie's disappearance, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence that the police ever considered Jason Sugarman a

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<v Speaker 2>suspect in Heide's disappearance, and he has never been arrested

0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.960
<v Speaker 2>or charged in connection with her disappearance. Jim Wayne threw

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.000
<v Speaker 2>even more shade on Jason Sugarman when he said that

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<v Speaker 2>shortly after Heidie disappeared that Jim had called Heidie's office,

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and he said he did not feel that Jason was

0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.600
<v Speaker 2>concerned about Heidie's whereabouts, but he told The Daily Mail,

0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman did seem to be very worried about something else,

0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Heidi's work laptop. The laptop, again, was the one that

0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>was inside Heidie's house, the one that Jim had taken

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.680
<v Speaker 2>out of there and handed over to the police. But

0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Jason's attorney told LA magazine that the work laptop should

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<v Speaker 2>never have been taken by the sec and that the

0:18:12.360 --> 0:18:17.240
<v Speaker 2>work laptop should have been considered stolen property. Jim Wayne

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.960
<v Speaker 2>said someone at Jason Sugarman's office had told him that

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<v Speaker 2>they believed that Heidi was quote siphoning off money from

0:18:25.120 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the company end quote. Jim said, in his opinion, stealing

0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.800
<v Speaker 2>would be completely out of character for Heidi and he

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<v Speaker 2>does not believe that this could be true. Jim also

0:18:35.360 --> 0:18:38.200
<v Speaker 2>claimed that he learned from police that Heidi did not

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.520
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of money in her personal accounts. On

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty ninth, news broke that police and federal agents

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<v Speaker 2>were entering Heidi planks townhouse, but they found no signs

0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of Heidi inside. Then there was another break in the case.

0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Jim Wayne got messages from a young couple who lived

0:18:58.120 --> 0:19:00.960
<v Speaker 2>in a downtown apartment building called the Hope and Flower Building.

0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.680
<v Speaker 2>They said that Seven had been roaming the hallways on

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<v Speaker 2>either the twenty eighth or twenty ninth floor alone. There

0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 2>was no sign of Heidi. Police were then able to

0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.560
<v Speaker 2>pull surveillance footage from in and around the building where

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 2>seven was found, and they found more footage of Heidi alive.

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<v Speaker 2>She was alive on October seventeenth, at around six thirty PM,

0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.680
<v Speaker 2>several hours after she left her house and her son's game.

0:19:28.360 --> 0:19:31.800
<v Speaker 2>The footage showed Heidi wearing the same clothing she'd had

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<v Speaker 2>on when leaving her house and at the football game,

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.880
<v Speaker 2>with her dog, walking down an alley between eleventh and

0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.480
<v Speaker 2>twelfth Streets. This is an alleyway that runs behind the

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Hope and Flower building. Speared to be wearing the sweater

0:19:45.120 --> 0:19:48.240
<v Speaker 2>that had been tied around her waist in the earlier footage.

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<v Speaker 2>There was some question in the beginning, even about the

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.520
<v Speaker 2>footage in a case where nothing is what it appeared

0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.920
<v Speaker 2>to be. Some people said the footage did not look

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 2>like Heidi, that the hair looked darker, almost brown, or

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.120
<v Speaker 2>like she was wearing a wig. But some of Heidie's

0:20:02.120 --> 0:20:04.560
<v Speaker 2>close friends did come forward and they stated that it

0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.400
<v Speaker 2>was definitely Heidie, that the lighting was just a little

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 2>bit weird. This footage appeared to be a major break

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.640
<v Speaker 2>in the case because it massively narrowed down the window

0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 2>of time when Heidie went missing. Heidi didn't have her

0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.360
<v Speaker 2>purse with her, just her dog, and by the way,

0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.720
<v Speaker 2>her black purse was never recovered, which pointed to the

0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 2>theory that Heidie could have gone to visit someone in

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the building and ducked out to walk her dog in

0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.120
<v Speaker 2>that little alley. A lot of people online made the

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.800
<v Speaker 2>same comment that I was thinking, I wouldn't leave my

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.360
<v Speaker 2>purse with anyone that I did not fully trust. Again,

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>none of Heidie's friends nor Jim had any idea if

0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Heidi knew any one who lived in that building or

0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 2>what she was doing there, except for one person. Another

0:20:50.120 --> 0:20:53.680
<v Speaker 2>one of Heidi's friends told reporters that they had talked

0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 2>to building staff, who apparently told a friend that they

0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.600
<v Speaker 2>had recognized Heidi and her dog. Seven attention focused more

0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 2>and more on the Hope and Flower Building. The Hope

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and Flower Building was billed as a luxury high rise,

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.480
<v Speaker 2>but several residents claimed that there had been theft, drug use,

0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 2>dogs defecating on their terraces, piles of trash in the hallway,

0:21:17.120 --> 0:21:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and they claimed that their secured parking spaces are constantly

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 2>vandalized and broken into. When I first started investigating this case,

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I went to a prayer vigil for Heidi held at

0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the Hope and Flower Building. I met some of the

0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 2>residents there and a lot of reporters. This was a

0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>big story. A mom of one who seemed to have

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.240
<v Speaker 2>vanished into thin air in the middle of downtown LA

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.000
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the afternoon. Then, on November fourth,

0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, police found Heidie's Range Rover. It was

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 2>parked in a garage several blocks from the Hope and

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Flower building. The car, by the way, was very near

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the alley where Heidie was seen walking on video. So

0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 2>why would Heidie not park in the building's parking lot.

0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Why would she park several blocks away? Was Heidie's disappearance

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>in any way connected to information on that work laptop

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and the pending SEC investigation. Could Heidi have had access

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>to information that could have put her in danger? Or

0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 2>was everything going on at work just a coincidence. Police

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.920
<v Speaker 2>also considered the possibility the given Heidie's background, she could

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.200
<v Speaker 2>have gone missing voluntarily. Maybe she had some sort of

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>mental health issue. Heidie's family said no way. They said

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that would not explain while all of her tracking devices

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 2>were shut off, and they have been adamant that nothing

0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 2>in Haidee's behavior ever suggested that she would voluntarily leave

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>her son, And apart from that, they say there's no

0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 2>way that Heidi would have abandoned her dog. She would

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 2>never have left her dog to fend for himself by choice.

0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 2>I lived in la for a long time, and I'm

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>very familiar with the downtown area where Heidi went missing.

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I got messages on Instagram from several residents of that

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 2>building who told me the LAPD had been to the

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Hope and Flower building. The residence said they had been

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 2>smelling a foul stench from the trash chute. They said

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that they had heard that a bloody mattress or possibly

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 2>even a body, had been taken from the building. Then

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the LAPD released a statement that indicated they might be

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 2>following the evidence trail inside that building. The LAPD said

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>in a statement quote forensic evidence was located inside the building,

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<v Speaker 2>which has led detectives to believe an incident occurred resulting

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>in Plank's death end quote, but they never publicly said

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>what that forensic evidence was. They also said that further

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 2>investigation has led investigators to the Chakiitaki Canyon landfill, which

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.360
<v Speaker 2>is about forty miles northwest of the downtown location where

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Heidi was last seen. The LAPD released a statement and

0:23:53.120 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 2>said they were looking in a specific area of the

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 2>landfill for human remains. The Sun newspaper reported that the

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Shaquita Canyon Landfill is where the waste disposal company that

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>services the Hope and Flower Building dumps its trash. The

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 2>LAPD has not revealed much about what they found inside

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that building or at the landfill, if anything. The case

0:24:14.360 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 2>was transferred from Missing Persons to LAPD Robbery Homicide in

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>December of twenty twenty one. The LAPD stated that they

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<v Speaker 2>now believe that the incident involving Heidi happened on October seventeenth,

0:24:32.120 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and that Heidi is now dead and they believe that

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 2>whatever bad thing happened to her happened at that downtown building.

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Jim Wayne told the Son that he has talked to

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the LAPD and says police have told him that up

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>to five people were involved in what happened to Heidi.

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't the only one, because rumors started circulating among

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>residents in the building and in downtown LA that Heidi

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>had died at a party in the Hope and Flower

0:24:57.120 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Building and that her body and possibly a blood soaked

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>mattress had been thrown into the trash shoe. Then the

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>case took another weird twist. The Sun reported that people

0:25:20.120 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>who lived in the Hope and Flower Building had told

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the LAPD that Heidi went to a party in the

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>building and may have overdosed on drugs, and that someone

0:25:28.120 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>at the party panicked and dumped her body in a

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>trash shoe. A woman who hosts a true crime show

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube told the newspaper she went to the building

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 2>and ran into someone there who claimed to have witnessed

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Heidi die of an overdose at a huge party in

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>the building. This person claimed they had been told that

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Heidi had stopped at the building to see a guy

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 2>she had been dating and to get some adderall from him,

0:25:51.360 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 2>and that Heidi dropped her dog off with a dog

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>sitter to go to this party. Then this person claimed

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Heidi was at the party with drugs and strippers and

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 2>cryptocurrency gambling. But then this person stated that Heidi overdosed

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the dance floor and that she

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>was later told that Heidi had taken something, possibly adderall

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>lace with fentanyl. She then told the newspaper that quote

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of them took her out and put her

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>in the garbage chute and pushed her down end quote.

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 2>A reporter from the Sun saw one of these video

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>clips that this person claimed showed Heidi overdosing, but the

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>reporters said they were not able to verify either the

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>videos or the photo, and this story sounded wild, but

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>later a version of it would come up again. Dateline

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>covered this case, and police stated that surveillance data from

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the Hope and Flower building showed that there were lots

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of people there to question. This was kind of a

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>vague statement, but it seemed clear that investigators were considering

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the possibility that Heidi had gone to a party in

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:57.160
<v Speaker 2>this building. But Heidie's friend Natalie told Dateline she didn't

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>buy the party theory. She pointed out that Heidi was

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:05.160
<v Speaker 2>dressed super casually, not for a party. Dateline also interviewed

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>an investigative reporter, Eric Leonard, who covered the case extensively

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 2>for K ANDBC. Eric said that his reporting indicated that

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 2>investigators were working on a theory that Heidi might have

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>taken something laser fentanyl. He told Dateline that they were

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>able to confirm that after Heidi died, she was likely

0:27:24.120 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>put into an upper floor trash shoe and her body

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>fell into the trash compactor. Heidi Plank was officially declared

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>dead by a judge in twenty twenty three. Jason Sugarman

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 2>has not been charged with any wrongdoing in connection with

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Heidie's disappearance. He settled his case with the SEC and

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>paid his fine. Since we last reported on this story,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 2>there have been more developments in Jason Galanis and Devon

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Archer's cases. Both Jason Galanis and Devon Archer were pardoned

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>by President Trump. When Jason Galanis was pardoned in twenty

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty five, it was reported that he does not have

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>to pay back the one hundred and sixty two million

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>dollars in fines. Jason Sugarman's civil case has also come

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to a close. On January tenth, twenty twenty three, the

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>United States District Court for the Southern District of New

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 2>York entered a final judgment against Jason Sugarman. He was

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>ordered to pay over ten point two million dollars and

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>as a result, the charges against him were dropped. He

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>was also banned from participating in the securities industry for

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 2>three years. After settling his case with the SEC and

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>paying his fine, Jason Sugarman moved on with his life.

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Heidi Plank's case faded into the background, but then into

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>tenty twenty five Heidie's name was in the news again.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>A big story broke that people were being indicted in

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>connection with an underground gambling ring based in the San

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Fernando Valley, and that some of those same people had

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>been suspected of running an illegal poker room in the

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Hope and Flower Building, the same building where Heidie was

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>last seen. NBCLA reported that they had spoken to sources

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<v Speaker 2>who indicated that Heidi might have either met up with

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<v Speaker 2>someone who was at that poker game or visited the

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<v Speaker 2>party in the building that day. This story was big

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<v Speaker 2>news in Los Angeles because former NBA player Gilbert Arenas

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the eight people, according to the indictment,

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<v Speaker 2>who were alleged to have been involved in the San

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<v Speaker 2>Fernando Valley gambling ring. However, NBCLA reported that there was

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence that Gilbert, who played for the Washington Wizards,

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<v Speaker 2>had any connection to the downtown gaming room. After appearing

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<v Speaker 2>in court, Gilbert posted on x that he was back

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<v Speaker 2>on the streets and that he was not part of

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<v Speaker 2>any alleged illegal gambling at that residence. But federal prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that Gilbert texted co defendants' images of a poker

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<v Speaker 2>table with Arana's Poker Club printed on it and provided

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen thousand dollars in startup funds. Federal prosecutors say that

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<v Speaker 2>a forty eight year old professional poker player Evgeney, Eugene Terrevski,

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<v Speaker 2>and ev Gueney Jora Gershman, a forty nine year old

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli national from Woodland Hills, were involved in the illegal

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<v Speaker 2>poker games, which prosecutors further alleged were run by Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>or Russian organized crime families. Yeb Gueney Gershman, Eugene Tcherevsky,

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<v Speaker 2>and Gilbert Arenas have pleaded not guilty and are slated

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<v Speaker 2>to face trial in November of twenty twenty six. One

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<v Speaker 2>investigator wrote in the affidavit about the organized crime families

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<v Speaker 2>quote they are known for engaging in murder, car bombings,

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<v Speaker 2>and extortion rackets throughout the world as a tool for

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<v Speaker 2>intimidation and control end quote. According to the two ty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two search warrants, one of the people running these

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<v Speaker 2>games told investigators that the players there could win or

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<v Speaker 2>lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single night,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the minimum by in was normally at least

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen thousand dollars. But what connection do any of these

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<v Speaker 2>people have with Heidi? If any, we don't know for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Court records indicate that Heidi Plank attended a similar game

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hope and Flower Building. Media reports indicate that

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI raided homes in Sherman Oaks while investigating leads

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<v Speaker 2>about Heidie's case, but the FBI has not made any

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<v Speaker 2>public statements about these alleged connections. Law enforcement sources have

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<v Speaker 2>stated that they believe that people who were at the

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<v Speaker 2>building on the day Heidi vanished no more information, but

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<v Speaker 2>they believe some people are unwilling to come forward due

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<v Speaker 2>to their own involvement in alleged illegal activity. Heidi's family

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<v Speaker 2>has continued to tell her story. They're still looking for her,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have posted billboards all over Los Angeles asking

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone who knows anything to please come forward. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne now has full custody of Bond and Heidie's dog

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<v Speaker 2>is also living with them. He has made statements to

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Magazine and others indicating that he continues to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Heidie's boss, Jason Sugarman, could somehow be involved

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<v Speaker 2>in her disappearance. The Los Angeles Police Department has asked

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone who was near or in twelve oh one

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<v Speaker 2>South Hope Street on or around October seventeenth, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>and has any information that could help detectives to contact

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<v Speaker 2>the Robbery Homicide Division at two Pine three four eight

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<v Speaker 2>six six eight four to zero. Everyone is talking about

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories and million dollar deals and alleged connections to

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<v Speaker 2>politicians or drug dealing or poker rings. Meanwhile, a young

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<v Speaker 2>boy has lost his mother and Heidie's family is unable

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<v Speaker 2>to bear her because her remains have never been found.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Lennard, the reporter who covered this case, told Dayline that,

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<v Speaker 2>in his opinion, the theory about attending a poker game

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<v Speaker 2>would seem to explain why Heidi was reportedly seen on

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<v Speaker 2>camera going into the building but was not seen leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that really sticks out to me about this

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<v Speaker 2>case is Heidie's dog. All of Heidi's digital device's location

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<v Speaker 2>services were turned off, so if her dog had not

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<v Speaker 2>been microchipped, there would have been no connection to the

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<v Speaker 2>Hope and Flower building, and no one might have ever

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<v Speaker 2>known about the possibility that. On October seventeenth, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi Plank went into that building in downtown LA, and

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<v Speaker 2>she never came out. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen

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