1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Inventing Anna the Official Podcast is a production of Shondaland 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Audio and partnership with I Heart Radio. Welcome to Inventing 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Anna the Official Podcast, your exclusive look inside the making 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: of the Shondaland series on Netflix. I'm your host, Stacy 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: Wilson Hunt, and today I'm talking to the one and 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: only Nef Davis. Nef, of course, is the hotel concierge 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: an aspiring filmmaker who befriended Anna Delve. She was also 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the mastermind behind her now infamous trial style Instagram account. 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy my chat with Nef about what 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: her life has been like since the series premiered, her 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: experiences being on set during production, how she feels about 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: the series overall, and her ongoing relationship with Anna Delvi. Hi, Nef, 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: it's so nice to have you on our podcast. How 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: are you, hi, Stacy, I'm great. Before we get into 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: some details about the show, firstly, I just want to 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: know what has your life been like since the show premiered. 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: My life has been amazing since the show premiered. From 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: the fans that are contacting me telling me they wish 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: they had enough friend in their life, I'm like, why 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: am I verified on Instagram. So much fun to just 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: see the reactions from the show and finally having people 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: in the film industry interested in my scripts and my 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: capabilities and film color theory. So it's been amazing. Oh, 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear that. And I will actually 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: want to ask you more questions about what you're working on, 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: but we'll do that later in the show. I'd love 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: to know what has most surprised you about the way 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: inventing Anna has resonated with fans. I think what has 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: most surprised me is how so many people want to 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: know how me and in this friendship started, how is 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: it going? They want to see pictures of us. It's 32 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: like they're very fascinated by the nothing and the friendship. 33 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: And I thought that her crimes and the luxe life 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: that she lived before even meeting me was more interesting 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: than our friendship. But I'm actually shocked that a lot 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: of people want to know were you really friends with her? Yes, 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: that does seem to be a through line and found 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: interest because it does seem like a really fascinating relationship. 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: And you know, the centerpiece of this whole series is 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: asking the question, who is Anna delbe right So for 41 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: our purposes today, since this is all about you, I 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: want to ask who is Nef Davis? Wow? Nef Davis 43 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: is colorful, She's confident, she knows the right people, the 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: wrong people. I'm the honest person in people's life lives. 45 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: So I think net is a a badass my thirties. 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: I can claim that and be okay with it. I'm confident. 47 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I love film, so I would just describe myself simply 48 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: as a snaphowl. All right, let's fast forward to eighteen. 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: How did you feel when you first found out that 50 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Shawonda Rhimes was going to adapt Jessica Pressler's article for Netflix. 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: What were your first feelings. My first feelings were the 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: outfits are gonna be amazing. So I was so excited 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: about the clothing. But that was just like, Shonda Rhimes 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: knows my name. You know, Gray's Anatomy has been coming 55 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: on since I was in Middleton. I was so excited. 56 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Shonda. And you served as 57 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a consultant on inventing Anna, and I would love to 58 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: know what were your conversations like with Shawonda, the researcher 59 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: and the writer's room and helping educate them about this story. So, 60 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: as a consultant for the show, your main person that 61 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: you're in contact with is the head of research, which 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: was Melissa Lowe. So she became like what we called 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: my email best friend. We sent emails back and forth, 64 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: and one day she sent me an email and said, Okay, 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: you're about to join the writer's room on like a 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: zoom like introduction and Sean's is going to be in 67 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: the room. And I was like, oh my gosh, my 68 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: hair isn't done. I wasn't prepared for this. She was like, 69 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tomorrow. I'm We're going to do it. 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: You know. It was the pandemic, you know. So I 71 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: was able to be in the room with them and 72 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: just talk about who net is, like I'm doing with 73 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: you and my personality, how I felt about every single 74 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: character in the show, and they were like just taking 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: notes and asking questions, and I was like, Wow, I'm 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: really going to be contributing to something that is huge. 77 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: And at that very moment, I knew I had made 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: the right decision given my life rights to them because 79 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I was so involved, you know. So I was just 80 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: so excited to be able to actually get invited on 81 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: set by Shanda Shawna Land and Shonda Rhymes were the 82 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: only people who came to me and said, oh, we 83 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: don't just want to use your life rights, we want 84 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: you to consult. So I knew I had made the 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: right decision. That's really nice, And I'd love to know 86 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: what were they most interested in about you that surprised you. 87 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm asking me about how an employee that works at 88 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the hotel, how did they come to work? Like what 89 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: do you do? What door do you enter? Do you 90 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: take your uniform home? And I'm like letting them know, no, 91 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: did you never take your uniform home? It gets washed 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: and clean there. They were like, okay, so who's in 93 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the locker room. I'm like, oh, it's me, it's housekeeping, 94 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: it's the like cool, cool restaurant workers, it's all of 95 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: us there. And so just the process of getting to 96 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: know one of my favorite roles I've ever had in 97 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: my life, being a siurge was just so surprising but 98 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: amazing to me because I wanted them to get that right, 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: because I knew all of my concierge friends would be watching, right, 100 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: and I imagine they're a tough crowd because that's a 101 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: really hard job, right, Oh yeah, like it's so stuffy. 102 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Because we know everyone, we can get into all of 103 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: the places. So a lot of them watched the show 104 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: and was like, oh, so you told them about the 105 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: database and I was like, no, I didn't even tell 106 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: them about the database. They was like, so how do 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: they know. I'm like, they're Shonda Land, They're gonna know 108 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: about the database. So here in to see the mention 109 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: the union and different things that I knew hospitality workers 110 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: would really enjoy. I love that. What were you saying 111 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: to them? The most important thing that you need to 112 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: know about this show is what The most important thing 113 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: you need to know is that I'm loyal to Anna, 114 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: but I'm not a dummy. I'm friends with Anna, but 115 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: I do have boundaries, and most importantly, Anna will never 116 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: come before my money, and I think they made that 117 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: very clear in the show that, Okay, when it starts 118 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: to affect next job in her career and her money, 119 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Anna has to go. That's great, And I'm gonna ask 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: you more about your impressions of the series in a 121 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: little bit, but I do want to talk about meeting 122 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and working with Alexis Floyd, the amazing actor who plays 123 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: nef in the series. What questions do you remember Alexis 124 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: asking of you in that first meeting. I remember she 125 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: asked me, so are you still friends with Anna? I 126 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: remember she asked me my favorite nail polished color, what 127 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of lipstick I would wear? How did I wear 128 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: me hair to the gym? How did I wear my 129 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: hair to work? And I was like, wow, she's studying me. 130 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: And then she was like, can I record you? And 131 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: I was like yeah, and she was like, it's just 132 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: for me. I was like, go ahead, So now I see. 133 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: It was to pick up on my accent and things 134 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: like that. So it was amazing. So you were able 135 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: to act should be on set during production of Inventing Anna? 136 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: What was it like to be in the presence of 137 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: this strange world in which these real life events that 138 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: took place in your life for being recreated for television. 139 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: It was mind blowing. I never expected to be on set, 140 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: but I got an email one day from a producer 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: that said, Shonda Rhimes wants you to come in and 142 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: she wants you to to shadow this director who's gonna be 143 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: doing scenes that don't evolve Alexis. So I'm not like 144 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: standing over Alexis, but there will be other scenes for 145 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: Casey's character and for Rachel's character. And I was like, 146 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm on my way and it feels surreal because they're 147 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: remaking a workout scene and I'm like, wow, this is 148 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: how Casey Dukes is, you know. So it was amazing 149 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: to be on set and to be able to be 150 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: around in Zinga, who's an amazing director, and she was 151 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: showing me, you know, how she controls the set and 152 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: all of the express of kim us. It was just 153 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: like I was a kid. It felt amazing. I was 154 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: so happy. And were there any revelations that came up 155 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: for you personally being on that set. Did you find 156 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: yourself feeling reflective or having any epiphanies about this whole 157 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: experience and how did that feel? The number one thing 158 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: that I took from being on set is that this 159 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: agism that I had made up in my head that oh, 160 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm never going to reach my dreams, I mean my 161 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: thirties now. And as I looked around, everyone that's on 162 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: set is older than me, and they're like in their 163 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: dream job, and they told me how many years it 164 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: took them to get there. So it was at that 165 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: very moment where I realized, as long as I'm my life, 166 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: it's never too late. So I know that probably isn't 167 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: what you meant by that question, but that's what I 168 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: took from it, that, Wow, I can reach this still 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: like it's not too late enough. I love that, and 170 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: I've actually had those experiences myself where I meet maybe 171 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: a first time director who's fifty, it's never too late. 172 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: And before we talk about the show, I did want 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: to reference something that you said in an interview recently, 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: which is the writing on Inventing Anna is so well 175 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: done that people aren't able to separate the real NUF 176 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: from the TV NEF. And I'd love for you to 177 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: expand a little bit on that. You know, there's maybe 178 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: a curse to the writing being so good that people 179 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: don't realize that's not me, but it is you. So 180 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about balancing that dichotomy. Yes, 181 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: because the writing is so amazing, shout out to the 182 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: whole writer's room. They just did an amazing job making 183 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: Nef so real and so relatable. But I have people 184 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: d em me me like, why are you screaming at 185 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: a billboard instead of being at work? And how could 186 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: you afford a goochy person? You worked at the concierge desk, 187 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, they're examining everything, so it's like 188 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: little things and obviously things about my loyalty with Anna 189 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: that they kind of added a little ice in too, 190 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: just to show people the role of me being the 191 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: supportive friend. But it was a lot of things that 192 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: I kind of laughed because I was like, oh, the 193 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: show net is doing way more than what the real 194 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: net would do for Anna. But I thought that it 195 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: was super cute to show a loyalty that couldn't be broken. 196 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: I agree the complexities of a female friendship, but it's 197 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: a lot to explore, right, Yes, definitely. Let's rewind back 198 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: to you and you're working as a cossierge and soho 199 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: and Anna Delbe walks into your life, quite literally, walks 200 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: into your workspace. What do you remember about that day? 201 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Take us back to that moment where you first saw her. 202 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting at the desk on the second floor. 203 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: We had a huge group check in from a client 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: that usually lets their people stay at our hotel. So 205 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm drained, and this woman walks up with these huge 206 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: celine glasses. This oversized black rick awash at shirt in 207 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: Alexander Wayne legends that are sharing seek through a little 208 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: too revealing to be walking around, you know, a hotel 209 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: like a like Howard and she just walks up to 210 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: my desk and she's like, I need a reservation, and 211 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh hi, I'm Nev and she just 212 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: put the hundred dollars on my desk. At that very moment. 213 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: The first thing I said, what's your last name? Because 214 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: I knew for her to give me a hundred dollars 215 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: before I even gave her a reservation or got to 216 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: know her, that she must be here for a while. 217 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: And when she told me Delvy, I looked it up 218 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: and she said that she would be here a month. 219 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: So I remember just looking at her and thinking, who 220 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: is this woman that will be here a month? And 221 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: why is she at this hotel? So you did have 222 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: some initial skepticism of who she was and why she 223 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: was there, and the fact you didn't know her last name. 224 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: You probably wondered, hey, I've never heard of this person, 225 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: and suddenly she's here for a month. Yes, I definitely 226 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: google every guest because sometimes you have people stay and 227 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he's like one of the founders of Google, 228 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: but you don't know because you don't know the name. 229 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: When I google the name, nothing came up with party pictures. 230 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, social light easy, you know. 231 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: So I directed her to different spots that she should 232 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: go to. And the first place that I recommended her 233 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: was like who coo? And she was like, oh, okay, 234 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: I'd rather just go to the butcher's daughter and I 235 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: was like, oh okay. So it was really interesting to 236 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: get to know and at that very moment because from 237 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: that very moment she never left me alone. That definitely 238 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: comes through in the show as well. And I was 239 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: curious in the hotel world, is there really a dry 240 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: race board that tracks v i P guests? Yes, So 241 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: when you are coming into work, there's a dryer race 242 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: board and you have one column that says v I P. 243 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: And it's not always someone famous. Could just be someone 244 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: that is a big spender. It could be someone that 245 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: has stayed with us and complained about her bed learning before. 246 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: So you just want to make sure that a v 247 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: I P is someone that never has to complain ever. Again, 248 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: I love that. So every character in the show seems 249 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: to have a different idea of the source of Anna's wealth. 250 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: What was your impression at the time of where she 251 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: got her money. She never really indicated it, but I 252 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: always thought, oh, like, a white woman with a lot 253 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: of money in New York isn't something that should really question. 254 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: It's just normal. Maybe her dad is giving her money. 255 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: And she was always saying, my day gave me this, 256 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: my dad gave me that. So I was like, okay, 257 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: rich white woman. It didn't really make me ask her 258 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: until it became like whoa, she must have a lot 259 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: of money because her spending became, you know, out of control. 260 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: And how would you describe your dynamic with Anna early on? 261 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Did you feel like friends out of the gate or 262 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: was was there getting to know you period? Well, we're 263 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: not allowed to frighten eze in hotels, so I definitely 264 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: kept my distance at first, But then she would just 265 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: come and sit at my desk from seven thirty am 266 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: until I clocked out at eleven pm. So, like I 267 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: told Jessica Pressler, this is someone that wanted my time 268 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: and she wasn't going to allow me to escape it. 269 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: We talked about art, we talked about music and hip 270 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: hop and me living in Harlem, and her wanting to 271 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: visit Harlem. So it was kind of one of those 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: things where we weren't friends, but she kind of made 273 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: us friends, which made me like her because I thought, Wow, 274 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: someone of your status wants to be friends with me, 275 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: and it's natural, Hey why not? Absolutely and actually mentioned 276 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: going to Harlem. Alexis Floyd shared with us that you 277 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: took Anna to Harlem to a restaurant. What was that 278 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: experience like? So hearing Anna in the car listening to 279 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: hip hop, Little Wayne and different artists as we head 280 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: to Harlem, and I'm like, you want to come to 281 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: the hood? Okay? Bucka love and she definitely was like, yeah, 282 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: I want to go. I was like, Anna, be careful. 283 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: So we went to Harlem. She enjoyed it, And honestly, 284 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: at that very moment, I should have realized that this 285 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: woman had a lot more in common than me than 286 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: what I had known it because me and Anna at 287 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: that time really had the same amount of money when 288 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: it came to legit money. I just didn't know. You know, 289 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: she didn't come from much. You know, her dad had 290 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: a truck business, and just like my parents, her parents 291 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: had to work. We just didn't know that Anna wasn't 292 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: who she said she was, so hearing you talk about it, 293 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: there's almost a sort of sadness there because the two 294 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: of you could have connected on other levels at the time. 295 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: Had you known her real story, there could have been 296 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: an even deeper friendship there. But I'm so glad I 297 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't want to be an accessory. I 298 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: tell people all the time. If Anna had told me, 299 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have went to the law, but I definitely 300 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: would have been like, I can't be spending this money 301 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: at you. I can't be getting pedicures and hanging out 302 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: with you. So in the way, she protected me from 303 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: her crimes by not telling me, even though we could 304 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: have bonded, I would have had to separate myself just 305 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: because as a black woman, we go down and I 306 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: didn't want anything to get pinned on me. So I'm 307 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: so happy I didn't know she was a scammer. We're 308 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: happy for you. By the way, Okay, there's still so 309 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: much more to hear. Please don't go anywhere. Okay, ready 310 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: to hear more. Let's do it. So. We see some 311 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: glimmers of Anna's vulnerable side throughout the series, namely in 312 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: scenes with Valve and then Chase towards the beginning of 313 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: their relationship hip, and also with Todd and even some 314 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: moments with Vivian. But I don't try to say that 315 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: Anna probably feels the most comfortable and true and authentic 316 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: when she's with enough. How much does that ring true 317 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: for you? I think about seventy five percent. I think 318 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: that Anna was never the real Anna with anyone. So 319 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to just sit here and be like, hey, 320 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: I know the real Anna, because I still don't know 321 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: a lot about her, But I know that one thing 322 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: we did that she never really did with other people. 323 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: We ate good. I noticed that when Anna was with 324 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: other people, you just have her wine, but with me, 325 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: eat those cards, you know what I mean? Like, I 326 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: don't have anything against people that want to be themselves 327 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: around me, and I think that's what Anna took advantage 328 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: of being herself around me, because I am someone that 329 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: is an empathy and I'm like, wow, like this woman 330 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: has all of these business ideas and no one is 331 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: her real friend. Let me be her real friends. So yeah, 332 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I knew seventy five percent of 333 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: the real Anna. Wow. When you're someone who shows empathy 334 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: that can also open you up to vulnerability for yourself, 335 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: and maybe that was a kind of kindness that Anna 336 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: hadn't felt before. Yes, Hannah is really good at pulling 337 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: at your heart strings. She's definitely one of those people 338 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: that when you meet her, you know you've never met 339 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: anyone like her, because she's really good at making you 340 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: feel feels. It's like, do I feel bad for her? No? 341 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: But should I feel bad for her? Maybe? And that's 342 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: what Anna is a master at making you feel feels 343 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: And those are the people you have to watch. And 344 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: how accurately do you think the show portrays your friendship 345 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: with Anna? Yes? I think it definitely felt accurate because 346 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean, of course there were some things where I 347 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: was like, I wouldn't beg Rachel to come to Rikers, 348 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: but I would call Rachel out for wearing clothes that 349 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: Anna purchase. So I think it was a good balance 350 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: of real life nev and the nef they wrote for 351 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: the show. But I think as far as the friendship, yeah, 352 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: they definitely got it. I'm still loyal to Anna. I 353 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: do have my boundaries where I don't answer every phone call, 354 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: I haven't visited her and Ice, But as far as 355 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: if someone was to ask me, you know, how do 356 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: you feel about Anna, I'm like, that's my girl. We 357 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: all make mistakes and I'm not one to judge. I'm 358 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: just human, you know. Wow, that's very generous of you. 359 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: So there's so many wonderful scenes in the show where 360 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: it seems Nef gets to be her true enough self, 361 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: so to speak, and so all the qualities that now 362 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm realizing that you actually share with the enough we 363 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: see on screen. Do you have any favorite scenes that 364 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: stick out for you in the series? Wow? So many. 365 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: I love the scene where Julia, who portrays Anna, she 366 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: has on this beautiful lavender suit and she's like banging 367 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: on the window as Nef is walking by with this 368 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: orange dress. Yeah, yeah, are you from what you look like? 369 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: And I knew that Shonda land took that moment from 370 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: when I told them and I had purchased me a 371 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: rare orange shirt. So that one moment where Alexis, who 372 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: plays me, says, you know that's my color. I know 373 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: it's something so simple, but like forever people will know 374 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: how much I love the color orange. And it was 375 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: so accurate when he came to me and Anna's relationship 376 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: and friendship. While I would tell her, no, don't buy 377 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: me anything, and she's like, I already purchased it. I 378 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: love that part the most. It's actually one of my 379 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: favorite scenes to Good One. I'd love to reflect a 380 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: little bit on some scenes in the series that also 381 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: have a direct correlation to real life events, and one 382 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: of the most pivotal moments is when the character of 383 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Vivian finds Neff at the hotel, as Nef becomes her 384 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: sort of portal to understanding more about Anna. I don't 385 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: need you to convince Anna if she's going to respect me. 386 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I have to do that myself, but 387 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: I need to know what does Anna want. So of course, 388 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: in real life, that was Jessica Pressler who contacted you. 389 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: What was your first meeting like with Jessica. Well, when 390 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: I first met Jessica, she had deemed me on Twitter 391 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: and said, hey, I'm a reporter. I was like, no, 392 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: you're not. She said, I am. I really want to 393 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: meet up with you. So I was like, okay, I'll go. 394 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: And we met at a cafe and I was so scared. 395 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: I brought a weapon with me because um strange your danger. 396 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: But then it's this woman whose stomach is sticking out 397 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: and she's pregnant. She has this huge smile and she's 398 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: so sweet. So my first impression was like, wow, Jessica 399 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: is a badass. And I mean she went to Rikers 400 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: pregnant so many different occasions. I just thought, Wow, this woman, 401 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: it's pregnant and she's still doing her job and she's 402 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: not complaining, and we're meeting up all different times of 403 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: the day, talking late at night. And then once I 404 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: realized what she was creating and writing, I was like wow, yes, 405 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: because as an amazing writer, I mean I didn't know 406 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: the New York Meg article would blow up, but I 407 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: was like, wow, this isn't good hands. So almost similarly 408 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: how you felt when you found out Shawna was going 409 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: to make the show, right, that sense of care and 410 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: empathy and respect that they were giving the material. Yes, 411 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: and she really got to know me. Even though there 412 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: were times where I was like, Okay, you're being too 413 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: pushy because it felt like a journalist is like trying 414 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: to know everything about your life. What I realized was 415 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: she was actually about to change my life because if 416 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: she didn't write the New York Meg article, I mean 417 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be talking right now. So I'm so appreciative 418 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: of Jessica, and I'm glad that we both had patience 419 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: for one another, and we still remain friends now to 420 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: this day. I talked to her yesterday, so it was 421 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: amazing to be able to put my story in her hands, 422 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: and then she put her story. Is Seana the Goat? 423 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: I love that, and that's of course the greatest of 424 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: all time. In case people are not understanding that reference, 425 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: yes you know. Episode two introduces us to an interesting 426 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: conflict between Nef and Casey where Enough feels strongly that 427 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: they should go visit Anna in prison, and Casey essentially 428 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: tells her the person who's sitting at Rikers is not 429 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: the person you thought you knew as a friend. Do 430 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: you really want to go down there, walk into that 431 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: prison and find out the person you thought was one 432 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: of your closest friends it was just a made up character. 433 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Tell me what your experience was like visiting Rikers and 434 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: what was your dynamic with Anna when you were in 435 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: the prison seeing her. Rikers was horrible. I know that 436 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: they do not like the people that are visiting the 437 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: inmates because the inmates put them through hell and make 438 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: sure they let you know you're being searched three different times, 439 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: exactly how they showed in the show. But Anna needed 440 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: some panies and some magazines. It was just like to 441 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: me and I was locked up in a foreign country 442 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: and I didn't have a single family member and I 443 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: had one home girl that can drop me off some 444 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: clean panties and some magazines. I would hope she would 445 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: go through what I went through to bring them to me. 446 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: And it was one of those things where I realized, oh, 447 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: I'm never coming to jail, just based on, you know, 448 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: the smell, the attitude. It was just one of those 449 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: things where I was like, you know what, Anna, I'm 450 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: bringing you this, but I'm never coming back. So Rikers 451 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: wasn't the best experience for me at all. And I 452 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: was just grateful that Anna actually left Rikers and went 453 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: upstate because then I didn't have to visit anymore. Right, 454 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: So episode five introduces us to another interesting dynamic. There's 455 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: a great scene with Nothing, her boyfriend in the show 456 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: where he kind of outlines why he feels suspective Anna 457 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: and her intentions with enough, but he does seem to 458 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: agree with one of Anna's guiding principles, which is, if 459 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: you want something, you have to do something about it. 460 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Stop counting money in a shoebox de side this apartment, 461 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: go after what you want. How did it feel for 462 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: you watching that scene in terms of the way Anna 463 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: influenced you to pursue your filmmaking career. Wow? I mean 464 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: for Anna, every time I came to work, she would 465 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: tell me to quit and pick up a camera, or 466 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: quit and go to the movies. In Anna's mind is 467 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: sort of like a fairy tale. So once I got 468 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: to know her, I realized, like, yeah, she is pushing 469 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: me to be better and to be a director, But realistically, 470 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: she's not thinking about bills. She's not thinking about my 471 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: student loans that I already have. So it was interesting 472 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: that I had this woman that would always tell me 473 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the reason you're a famous film director. 474 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the reason why people know you 475 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: as Neft the filmmaker, But wasn't really putting any money 476 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: behind my dreams. Something that's really interesting throughout the series 477 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: is how we see Anna become vulnerable around her friend. 478 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: We don't really see that side of her unless she's 479 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: with Nef and there's a really beautiful scene. Actually, the 480 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: two of you in her sweet in her bed, just 481 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: sort of hanging out like friends, very intimate what your 482 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: parents like mm hmm. Mainly Mom and me. We've always 483 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: been super closed, like clothes, like pretzels, wrapped up on 484 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: each other's midness. That came to New York to figure 485 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: out who I am without it? Who are you? Walk 486 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: me through how that felt for you to watch that 487 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: scene and was there a real life moment for you 488 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: where you felt that way. You can still see her 489 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: face and just how hers were so rosy and her 490 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: hair was so distressed, and I just remember, like, Wow, 491 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to open up an art exhibit 492 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: if this is what I'm gonna look like. It feel 493 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: like now looking back, it was because it was all crimily. 494 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: The loans weren't going through, the bank accounts were getting negative, 495 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: her dad isn't speaking to her, her family lawyer isn't real, 496 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, wow, she held it together for 497 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: someone that was going through so much and scamming so many. 498 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: I had no idea, but that's one of my mom's 499 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: favorite scenes, maybe because I mentioned my mom, so I 500 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: was so happy that Shawna Land put that in there 501 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: because it really did happen, and it was one of 502 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: the probably the most intimate moments I had with Anna 503 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: was when we were just closing the room together and 504 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: she could show some type of emotion. Wow. We've talked 505 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: about the idea that your character and obviously you in 506 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: real life, had to learn how to set some boundaries 507 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: with Anna. And there is that moment where this hits 508 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: fever pitch in the series where we see the character 509 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: of the confronting Anna when now that she knows a 510 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: bit more about her situation, saying, you need to handle 511 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: your business. What are you going on about? I'm on 512 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: the line here, Okay, no one has heard of you. 513 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: I put you on every list. I'll put you on 514 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: the v IP board. You won't put a credit card 515 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: down at the hotel. Your cards don't even work. I 516 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: paid for that dinner. I'm broke and I need this job, 517 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: and your bill is over thirty thousand dollars. Tell me 518 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: what the real life interaction was when this took place, 519 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: and how you felt in that moment and to what 520 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: degree were you scared for yourself and your financial future. 521 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: I was definitely afraid not to lose my job because 522 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: I didn't check Anna in, So whoever checked Anna in 523 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: didn't request a credit card from her. But these are 524 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: still people that I care about, that I work with, 525 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: and now that I have this friendship with her, and 526 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: I realized that some of the food that she's been 527 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: charged gene from the restaurant downstairs, I actually ate and 528 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: it's going to her room, but there's no card down 529 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: Now it's thirty thousand dollars and my managers are looking 530 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: at me and they're like, enough, this is your friend, 531 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: this is your home. Girl, get our money, because if 532 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: you don't get the money, then you could get in 533 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: trouble for frightenizing. I wouldn't lose my job because union. 534 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: But it's still one of those things where you're like, wow, 535 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: I've been friends with this woman and she's not gonna 536 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: pay a bill. No, you need to pay it. So 537 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: I approached her. I believe it was over the phone, 538 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: and I said, Anna, we're gonna lock you out your room. 539 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: And I remember being nervous because I didn't want to 540 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: disappoint her or my manager, but I was like, they're 541 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: gonna lock you out your room. You need to pay 542 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: this bill. And I was like, what's the big deal? Okay, 543 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I'll pay you guys. And I'm just thinking, like my 544 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: heart is beating so fast, like, what's the big deal? 545 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: This is thirty thousand dollars? Like this isn't something that 546 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: we let happen. You told us you would. Why are 547 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: this money? Right? And you know we get to episode nine, 548 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: the final episode, and the infamous trial style instagram feed, 549 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: Well your styles hook up the one hand does wrappers, 550 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: Natasha h All you thinking, Tralt, I'm thinking like, HB 551 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: I C. It's like also like young in Cockatte, like 552 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: Lalita meets Mildred Peers. But like, now, what purpose did 553 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: you see personally at the time of doing that trial 554 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: style Instagram account? Were you trying to exert some control 555 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: on Anna's behalf or were you just having fun? What 556 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: was your state of mind? What I thought was, Okay, 557 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: if I was on trial, how could I get the 558 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: attention off of my bad crime? And you know, I 559 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: thought of Lindsey Lohan. I said, oh, fashion, if you 560 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: make the focus something other than what she's doing, because 561 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: her saying not guilty and the Rachel stuff, I was like, yeah, 562 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: it's time to exchanges and make it about fashion because 563 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: New York is love and it worked because all of 564 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: the articles stopped being about her being a scammer and 565 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: made it about what she was wearing. She's not even 566 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: wearing anything fancy. It was just things that you could 567 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: find at the mall. And then bringing in my stylish friend, 568 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: who I ended up paying because I know that's something 569 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: people had a question, like how could Anna afford the 570 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: stylust I ended up paying for the stylist. I realized that, oh, 571 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: this is gonna add to like the Anna Delvie character 572 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: where of course she has a stylist while in jail. 573 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: It was just funny. So you really saw it more 574 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: as adding some levity to kind of a difficult situation. Yeah, 575 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to prove how easy the media is. 576 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Like I knew the media was easy, but I never 577 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: had a chance to really do it on my own. 578 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: So I kind of used Anna as practice, Like watch this, 579 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: I'll create an instagram, I'll name it Anna Delvie Court Looks, 580 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: and everyone would be focused on what she's wearing instead 581 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: of her crimes. Boom, The New York Time Times, Vogue, Harper's. 582 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: Everyone is just writing about what she's wearing. I was like, 583 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: these people are so easy. And how do you think 584 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: the Instagram account impacted Anna's trial outcome? Oh? It was horrible. 585 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: I think it worked against her ultimately, and I did 586 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: feel bad, you know, once I realized the judge was 587 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: saying Anna was treating it like a fashion show, but 588 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: it was already done. So I was like, oops, but 589 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: at least we're talking about clothes. I love clothes. Well, 590 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: you definitely changed the conversation until the very last moment. 591 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. There's more from behind the scenes of 592 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: inventing Anna. Right after this, Hi, everyone, We're back. Are 593 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: you ready? So, you know, after we see the show 594 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: run its course, we see episode nine, the viewers sort 595 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: of left to ask him or herself who is Anna 596 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: Delvie and who is anasorgan? Now, if I ask you 597 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: that question today, what is your answer? Who Anna? I 598 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how to put it into words, 599 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: but I will say that Anna that I know is 600 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: someone who you know. She definitely lacks that care that 601 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: we should have as humans, but she's also been through 602 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things as a young child, as someone 603 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: that you know, grew up way different than other people 604 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: that we just don't know about So for me to 605 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: try to define who she is, I guess I won't 606 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: know until she completely tells us her truth. And even 607 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: at that point, how do we know it's the truth. 608 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: But I will say that she definitely is a businesswoman. 609 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: She might not be the best at getting her business together, 610 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: but if she did have a moment or a chance 611 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: to do it in a legit way, I know she 612 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: would have really accomplished it because look at how many 613 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: people really believed in her. She's a businesswoman, She's highly intelligent. 614 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: She plays dumb when she knows certain people need her 615 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: to play dumb, but she's very very smart. So don't 616 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: sleep on her. Do not sleep on her. That is 617 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: good advice. And how would you say this experience of 618 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: knowing Anna and also having seen the show and being 619 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: a part of this experience, how has this changed you 620 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: as a person. Well, I already didn't have many friends, 621 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: but I'm definitely double checking friendships now, like, hmmm, are 622 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: you who you say you are? Because for Anna to 623 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: trick me, and I'm really good with people and New 624 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: Yorkers and I've met so many different people working at 625 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: the hotel, I'm like, wow, I gotta get tightened up. 626 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: I have to get better at, you know, reading people. 627 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: So definitely I look at friendships a lot different. And 628 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: I also learned not to rush things. I think if 629 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: Anna had did it in the legit way and didn't 630 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: rush things and didn't feel like time was against her, 631 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this will be a different story. Maybe 632 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: it would be about the woman that did lie about 633 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: being an heir to some money but still did something legit. 634 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely learned that that I can take 635 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: my time, do it the right way, and most importantly, 636 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: be careful who you call a friend. Lucky for me, 637 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm not telling the story of having a bill that 638 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: I had to cover on my credit card, and I'm 639 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: telling the story that Shanda Rhimes wrote a character about me. 640 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: So if it worked out so it could be worse, right, 641 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: So most importantly for enough, what are your hopes for 642 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: yourself in the next few years? What are you doing professionally? 643 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: And how has the sex parents hope to inform your 644 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: artistic vision. Wow, So I try not to think by 645 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: the year, but I can think by the month. And 646 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: I've been writing scripts that I actually like that show 647 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: that Sisterhood that nothing Anna had so I'm very much 648 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: inspired by the writing of Inventing Anna. Of course, I'm 649 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: a huge fan of Sex in the City and Girlfriends 650 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: and Living Single and all those type of shows that 651 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: showed girls coming together. I hope to have a deal 652 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: with Netflix or any type of program or outlet where 653 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: I can show my own art or work on art 654 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: that they're creating. I just moved to l A, So 655 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: and I love it here. I love the weather. I 656 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: hope to connect with other creatives that might need help 657 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: on their set. So for enough, what I see for 658 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: her is someone that is doing what she says she 659 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: would do. It took a lot longer than what I expected, 660 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: but again, in time is on my side. So as 661 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: long as I'm doing something with color theory, cinematography, scriptwriting, 662 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: or film, I'll be happy. And is there anything that 663 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: you would love for people to know about you that 664 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: either we didn't get to see explored in the show, 665 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: or just something maybe a misconception or setting the record 666 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: straight on something that you feel has been misinterpreted. I 667 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: think my friendship with Anna and her being a white 668 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: woman in me being a black woman. A lot of times, 669 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: the things that people are sending me is, oh, well, 670 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: you're coming off as the help or you're coming off 671 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: as even a strong term like a slave. And I 672 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: just wanted to be clear that the role of the 673 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: concierge and other concierges and people on hospitality will be 674 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: able to vouch. That's our job. Our job isn't to 675 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: ever say no. So in parts of the show where 676 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: you might think that I'm just bowing to Anna by 677 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: bringing champagne to her table, that's normal. And you should 678 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: stay at better tales because you make the same treatment 679 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: if you just upgraded and stayed at a nice boutique 680 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: hotel or a luxury hotel and bother the concierge death. 681 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: They want to do these things for you. So I 682 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: just wanted to make it clear that that was a job. 683 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm not a push over in real life. I understand 684 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: the differences that white women and black women have in 685 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: all industries and in the world. But hey, me and 686 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: Anna were friends, and I don't have many white home girls, 687 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: but she's one of them, and that's okay because sometimes 688 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: you become friends with people that are from different places 689 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: and it just works out. So I just wanted to 690 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: make that clear that is a fantastic way to end 691 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: this conversation. You've been so amazing enough and I didn't 692 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: think I could ever learn more about the show, and 693 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: here you are making me look at it in a 694 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: different way all over again. And we're so honored that 695 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: you took the time and really just thank you for 696 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: sharing your perspective on Anna. It continues to be an 697 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: evolving process of understanding her and understanding you, so thank 698 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: you so much. You're so welcome, and I'm so happy 699 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: that you had me on because at first I didn't 700 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: want to do the show because I felt like, oh, 701 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: this isn't right because Anna won't be involved because she 702 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: was in jail. But Anna encouraged it because she said, 703 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: enjoy the fame, enjoy the interviews, enjoyed the money. And 704 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: I was like, but and I feel bad, and she 705 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: was like, why I took from you. It's okay for 706 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: you to take from me. If anybody I would want 707 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: to talk about me, it would be you. So well, 708 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. This has really 709 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: been super fun. Thank you so much. I'm so appreciative, 710 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: and I just hope that everyone continues to learn from 711 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: Anna's because there are a lot of Anna's in this world, 712 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: but it's okay to be a knot, and all the 713 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: knots out there keep working hard, right, yes, yes, yes, 714 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: Come back next week from my chat with Laverne Cox, 715 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: the Emmy winning actor who plays Casey Duke, Ana's personal 716 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: trainer and life coach. She'd a workout video that's only 717 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: available on h S and I found it on Amazon 718 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: and ordered it, and how to find a VHS player 719 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: but I did, I couldn't, so I've got the VHS 720 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: transfer to digital so I could watch the workout take. 721 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: If you're enjoying this show, subscribe, share with your friends, 722 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: rate and leave us a review. All that good stuff. 723 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: And if you haven't finished binging Shonda Lands Inventing Anna 724 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: on Netflix, please go do that. We don't want to 725 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: spoil it for you. 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