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Speaker 3: We Nigus, Nigus.
Speaker 4: What is the language of.
Speaker 3: Origin Ethio into Almaharic? What is the definition a king?
Speaker 5: It's used as a title of the sovereign of Ethiopia.
Speaker 2: Nigas Vegas could use in a sentence the Nigas ruled
Speaker 2: Ethiopia until the coup of nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 5: Nigus and who would you say the word loudly for
Speaker 5: the judges?
Speaker 4: Nigus one more time?
Speaker 2: Nigus, Nigus, Jesus, n e g Us, Nigus.
Speaker 5: My nigga, my nigga, Hey, what's up? My niggas? We
Speaker 5: also will say nigga please.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we might say I wish a nigga would and
Speaker 1: then sometimes it's just nigga.
Speaker 5: And you all guess what we're talking about today? Are
Speaker 5: you tying? Cringing? Say what that's please? Because this ain't
Speaker 5: just ratchet.
Speaker 1: We are also teaching we have all experienced or heard
Speaker 1: about those moments where somebody white tries to take it
Speaker 1: too far and say the N word. And we're not
Speaker 1: talking about like in the spelling bee niggas we're talking
Speaker 1: about something like this. One of my favorite bits of
Speaker 1: his is that when white people are rich, they're just
Speaker 1: rich forever and ever, even though kids are rich.
Speaker 3: But when a black guy gets rich, it's count down
Speaker 3: to one.
Speaker 6: He's poor, he's the blackest white guy, and then all
Speaker 6: the negative things we think about black people.
Speaker 3: This fucker, you're singing a nigger. Yes, you are the
Speaker 3: niggarous fucking.
Speaker 2: I have ever.
Speaker 5: I don't think he could do that.
Speaker 1: So you know, there are some people among us who
Speaker 1: even make it okay for white people to say this,
Speaker 1: but Oprah believes we shouldn't even say it.
Speaker 4: It's impossible for me to do it because I know
Speaker 4: the history, and I know that for so many of
Speaker 4: my relatives whom I don't know, who I don't know
Speaker 4: by name, people who I am connected to my ancestors,
Speaker 4: that was the last word they heard. They were being
Speaker 4: strung up by a tree.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing that we have to also
Speaker 1: consider is the nation's oldest civil rights organization and the largest,
Speaker 1: the NAACP, which I will remind everyone is the National
Speaker 1: Association for the Advancement of Colored People, also agrees with
Speaker 1: lady Oh and even tried to bury the N word
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and gave it a whole funeral.
Speaker 5: We're not going to do this in workstance anymore. It's
Speaker 5: time to stop. And we hope that our rappers, our media,
Speaker 5: or the movie theaters, all of that, Hollywood, all of
Speaker 5: us see what we're trying to do, and it's time
Speaker 5: that we make it change.
Speaker 7: It's time that we decide and what we want and
Speaker 7: demand it because nothing is going to be given it
Speaker 7: to us unless we get out here and let the
Speaker 7: world know this is not acceptable.
Speaker 5: Well that was in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: And before we cut to any more sound, I just
Speaker 1: want to ask my co host how long they think
Speaker 1: the N word stayed dead or did it ever die?
Speaker 8: It never died, They never died. That was kind of
Speaker 8: a ridiculous stunt. I think you know it never died.
Speaker 5: I think that you do.
Speaker 6: I think it was more than a stunt. I think
Speaker 6: I think for a certain generation of Black Americans, this
Speaker 6: thing cuts really deep. Live at a time where our parents.
Speaker 3: Could have, for you know, foreseeably had to exist through.
Speaker 6: That term being used as a bludgeon tool right to
Speaker 6: level them to make them feel small, to make them
Speaker 6: feel less than. And then comes the advent of you know,
Speaker 6: mostly rap hip hop, where it had a renaissance, if
Speaker 6: you will, and not just not a renaissance in its
Speaker 6: original fashion, but a renaissance in the sense that it was.
Speaker 6: This is a word that was used to demean, to hurt,
Speaker 6: to cut deep, to the red meat, and we're gonna
Speaker 6: take it, reform it, and put it back out there as.
Speaker 3: A word of our.
Speaker 6: Own choosing, with a meaning of our own choosing, and
Speaker 6: the rest would be history. And I think we now
Speaker 6: find ourselves at a place where there's generational device between
Speaker 6: how people walk away with a sentiment after they hear
Speaker 6: that word my mother, my mother in law, my aunt's
Speaker 6: uncles is not a word you want to say around
Speaker 6: any of them.
Speaker 1: There there was also this debate around I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: to you tube, But there's also been a long standing
Speaker 1: debate around if there's a difference between the E R
Speaker 1: and the A of course right, And I just I
Speaker 1: think that's another thing, like which word, which version of
Speaker 1: the word did we actually bury in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I think that's also a distinction word noting. But I
Speaker 1: want to hear it, you guy.
Speaker 6: Say geographically though, you can be in the South and
Speaker 6: here a white person say nikkir yeah, and it be
Speaker 6: intended with the same venom.
Speaker 5: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: Any vow they ended with, they can't say it.
Speaker 8: But well, I completely disagree with you about the generational thing.
Speaker 8: I think, you know, we maybe look outside of our
Speaker 8: own immediate experience in family members. My every generation, I know,
Speaker 8: and my my parents said the word. My grandparents said
Speaker 8: the word, you know, So it's not necessary generational. Even now,
Speaker 8: there are people who say the word and people who don't.
Speaker 8: People have strong opinions about it. I also kind of
Speaker 8: take issue with this idea that is rooted in white supremacy.
Speaker 8: The word originated from the Spanish word, you know, and
Speaker 8: the Spaniards that's how they describe black people. It wasn't
Speaker 8: even meant to be a slur at that point. It
Speaker 8: was just this is what we no more than you
Speaker 8: would call the Japanese. They called them Japanese, you know,
Speaker 8: when the Portuguese and the European set sell to Japan.
Speaker 8: So what white people then co opted the word. They
Speaker 8: didn't even invent it. They co opted the word and
Speaker 8: along with many other things, they used it as a
Speaker 8: slur at that point. And so I don't choose my
Speaker 8: I don't center them in any point in my life.
Speaker 8: I don't center them in the language I use. I
Speaker 8: don't center them in when I say it, how I
Speaker 8: say it. I do think it is a word meant
Speaker 8: to be said privately. I am uncomfortable. We have some
Speaker 8: mutual friends who will say it in front of non
Speaker 8: black people, and I do think this is a family
Speaker 8: conversation and family talks. I don't like for myself and
Speaker 8: personally for us to say it in mixed company. But
Speaker 8: in terms of it being a word that said in
Speaker 8: gin pop and the population, I say say it if
Speaker 8: you want to, and I don't. I don't mean to
Speaker 8: be dismissive of bearing the word, but I think I
Speaker 8: think that was like in the early two thousands, that
Speaker 8: or late ninety yeah, two thousand and seven when that happened,
Speaker 8: Of all the things that was going on during that time,
Speaker 8: I don't think that bearing the in word and imposing
Speaker 8: your you know, narrow view on it was the most
Speaker 8: the best use of time and resources, but that you use.
Speaker 6: The word your narrow view, which I received as a pejorative,
Speaker 6: not your narrow no no, no no, but your narrow
Speaker 6: view being the people who wanted to bury it had
Speaker 6: had a definition of what it meant to them. And
Speaker 6: I have to say that the majority understanding of that word,
Speaker 6: regardless regardless of his Spanish origin, which has to do
Speaker 6: with the fact that that's the color, right.
Speaker 3: So, but nowhere.
Speaker 6: Did nigger get its definition from.
Speaker 3: Simply the color black?
Speaker 6: That it was always from its very beginnings, from its origins,
Speaker 6: as it relates to its application to us used as
Speaker 6: a pejorative, as an insult, as a weapon as well.
Speaker 8: It wasn't by white people, and it wasn't the Spanish, yes,
Speaker 8: but it was actually the Latin word, not negatal, but niger.
Speaker 8: It wasn't even a patrol like the people who made
Speaker 8: it one were white people here in America. They made
Speaker 8: it one, right, so they sole the word and turned
Speaker 8: it into something ugly.
Speaker 3: They bastardized it.
Speaker 6: Is what your argument is, and my argument is is
Speaker 6: that regardless of its little known, little regarded origins, except
Speaker 6: for a particular country and maybe region of the world,
Speaker 6: by and large, the definition under which we understand it
Speaker 6: has a pejorative meaning and a diminutive one toward us,
Speaker 6: toward toward black folk people of color, and if I
Speaker 6: ever understood it being spoken by them as a term
Speaker 6: of endearment toward me, I can't think of them.
Speaker 5: No, I can't. No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's arguing that at all. I actually
Speaker 1: think that that you all aren't saying something too different.
Speaker 1: I think she's saying the Latin term. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: one meaning, and then when white folks enslaved us, stole us,
Speaker 1: brought us here, they took it to mean something completely
Speaker 1: horrible and awful, like brute and wench.
Speaker 6: I think that before we get to be adopted across
Speaker 6: the globe, French parliamentarians began to use.
Speaker 1: The words as it relates to what happened here and
Speaker 1: along the Transatlantic slave trade to define and talk about
Speaker 1: black people. But when we bring it up to modern times,
Speaker 1: I do think it's important, whether it's a bad experience
Speaker 1: or a positive experience. What you all's earliest memories of
Speaker 1: the N word were or memory?
Speaker 5: Hmmm, I didn't know, if y'all need to think.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure it was comedy, probably SNL I remember
Speaker 8: on because it didn't used to be a word that
Speaker 8: you couldn't say on TV. The Jeffersons, you know, I
Speaker 8: actually do remember The Jefferson's, an episode of The Jefferson's
Speaker 8: because it was something that was said on television. That's
Speaker 8: how common the word was. So it wasn't hip hop
Speaker 8: that resurfaced it like it was. It's always been here,
Speaker 8: even in music. Andrew, you know, like the war and
Speaker 8: you think of, you know, Mom's Maybley, fact check me
Speaker 8: on Mom's Maybley. But Millie Jackson, you know, like there's
Speaker 8: always every generation. I think I remember there was an
Speaker 8: episode of The Jeffersons. It was a rerun and they
Speaker 8: George Jefferson was it was the overlap between them and
Speaker 8: Archie Bunker, and George Jefferson was saying, you know, they
Speaker 8: wanted him to hire Edith to work at his dry
Speaker 8: cleaning business, and he said.
Speaker 5: If we do.
Speaker 8: Something like the niggas that think she uh, the white
Speaker 8: folks that think she a nigga, and the niggas that
Speaker 8: think we bleeds.
Speaker 5: The help, Oh my god.
Speaker 8: But this was the thing with the dialogue with George Jefferson,
Speaker 8: and he used to also when he you know, they
Speaker 8: became they were spin off and when they had their own.
Speaker 8: He used to always call the guy was her name's husband.
Speaker 8: He's called him Hounky all the time. And the white
Speaker 8: man was a backlom Were you call me that? What
Speaker 8: if I called you nigga? And it's like I wish
Speaker 8: you would?
Speaker 6: And they blew up when he said that in the show, right,
Speaker 6: like the responses from the audience.
Speaker 5: It wasn't though the thing.
Speaker 8: It was so because they said it all the time.
Speaker 6: So I take a slight exception with the familiarity and
Speaker 6: the usage of the word in the in the late
Speaker 6: seventies early eighties, those were shows done by Norman Lear,
Speaker 6: and Norman was credited across, you know, really across platforms,
Speaker 6: regardless of who the critic is, as using humor as
Speaker 6: a way to put a mirror up to the American people. Yeah,
Speaker 6: into Archie Bunker, sitting on the couch and and and
Speaker 6: and using terminology that everyone could laugh with because it
Speaker 6: was such an obvious characteristic of who he was, and
Speaker 6: therefore who somebody's who one person's grandfather, you know, he
Speaker 6: reminded him of about his grandfather, George Jefferson reminded us
Speaker 6: at least of an aspirational view of what we might
Speaker 6: do or be like if we were ever to.
Speaker 3: Come into wealth.
Speaker 6: And I didn't know anybody who had moved on up
Speaker 6: and that and and and and that way, and so
Speaker 6: it was in many ways aspirational, but it wasn't ubiquitous
Speaker 6: across television the usage of it. That's what made his
Speaker 6: work so noteworthy and exceptional, is that it was so
Speaker 6: rare and he used so this is mirroring technique as
Speaker 6: a way to to ease the conversation and make it
Speaker 6: more comfortable and not a third rail.
Speaker 1: So but I'm this and I do want you to
Speaker 1: reflect on your earliest memory of this, But I just
Speaker 1: mine kind of dovetails with tiff. I remember my parents
Speaker 1: listening to Richard Pryor records and he said it all
Speaker 1: the time, and he said it with they are all
Speaker 1: the time, and my parents like, I'm gonna get in trouble, Mom,
Speaker 1: don't get mad.
Speaker 5: It's the truth. My mom and my dad, sisters she
Speaker 5: didn't like you would go him that like.
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, or even if they were joking,
Speaker 1: like she would be like listen and they would fall
Speaker 1: out laughing. So like I associated the N word for
Speaker 1: a long time just with comedic moments like I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you couldn't say it. For example, on my
Speaker 1: first Communion day because I was I was baptized Catholic hair.
Speaker 1: First Communia had first repentance or whatever it's called. Ain't
Speaker 1: called first repents now I'm pentecosta.
Speaker 5: I don't know what the other world was called.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we had to go see the priests and you
Speaker 1: tell them what you did wrong. Anyway, Yes, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but it was, it's a name for it, first reconciliation.
Speaker 5: That's the first Communion day. I had a cat. We
Speaker 5: had all the family over the house.
Speaker 1: This is my dad's fault. Yeah, all the family over
Speaker 1: the house and I couldn't get to the cat. We
Speaker 1: had the elders at the house too, and I said,
Speaker 1: come here, you little bastard. I did not know, just
Speaker 1: like with the N word, that bastard was a bad word.
Speaker 5: My dad said it all the time. And this is
Speaker 5: my point. I was My dad and my mom was
Speaker 5: were mortified, but like I was, like, how was I
Speaker 5: supposed to know? You guys said all the time. Then
Speaker 5: they were more mortified.
Speaker 1: But my point is, I feel like it's not that
Speaker 1: different with the inWORD for me from my experience growing up,
Speaker 1: of course, with the black history parents I got.
Speaker 5: You learn quickly after that, right.
Speaker 3: That I think, you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 6: I grew up a lot of my younger years in
Speaker 6: my grandmother's household, and they were much older than my
Speaker 6: dad's grandparents, my grandparents when I was growing up. My
Speaker 6: mom's parents were in their seventies eighties, but a very
Speaker 6: religious Pentecostal household, and my memory I have very clearly
Speaker 6: as my grandmother, I mean just backhanding one of my brothers,
Speaker 6: my second oldest brother, who used the word in the
Speaker 6: house house and it was as it was as close
Speaker 6: to blasphemy as you could come like, and my grandmother's
Speaker 6: as we couldn't play I declare war because cards were
Speaker 6: of the devil.
Speaker 3: They were not supposed to be in the house.
Speaker 6: So I think in some ways we do have slightly
Speaker 6: different experiences because of in the ways in which we
Speaker 6: were reared and where and so on and so forth.
Speaker 6: So I do in some ways think there's a generational element.
Speaker 6: But I also think there has always been, at least
Speaker 6: amongst us, a familiarity with the word in some sub
Speaker 6: ownership of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't mean.
Speaker 6: What the pejorative intended, right, Sure, the pejorative definition of
Speaker 6: it was. But my honest thought is that I have
Speaker 6: used it and use it with friends and close company,
Speaker 6: and we almost never have necessarily positive you know. It's
Speaker 6: like you did something, you know, messed up, and now
Speaker 6: you or you've done so. But it's in love, it's
Speaker 6: in care of each other.
Speaker 1: But said, it's an accountability where all right, y'all, we're
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: I'm about to mess all up a little bit. And
Speaker 1: that is growing up in Seattle. It's very multicultural, and
Speaker 1: there's some constituencies in Seattle, like at least high school,
Speaker 1: middle school for me, that grew up so closely with us,
Speaker 1: particularly a lot of Filipino kids who said the N
Speaker 1: word and we didn't think anything of it. In New York,
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of times Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and
Speaker 1: of course we know that slave ship stopped in different.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 1: They could be, but they also might not be. They
Speaker 1: could be indigenous, right or.
Speaker 5: Have someone in there.
Speaker 3: There's a distinction, right right, But.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like there's some of that and people are
Speaker 1: coming and I'm like, you're right, I'm a whole hypocrite there.
Speaker 1: But there is one thing that I want to point
Speaker 1: out here, and that is that some rappers, including Politzer
Speaker 1: Prize winning Kendrick Lamar, disagree with Lady Oh, disagree with
Speaker 1: Berry in the in word, disagree with your grandma got
Speaker 1: black Andrew but white. Andrew at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode spelled it out, and of course Kendrick is.
Speaker 5: On that same thing.
Speaker 1: He said with royalty and that's how he would like
Speaker 1: to remix and reinterpret the N word.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think that's why I was saying, it's
Speaker 8: a narrow perspective to bury it. I think if you
Speaker 8: choose not to say it, then don't say it. But
Speaker 8: it's just a crazy thing to me that somebody within
Speaker 8: community would tell. I mean, I'm a big live and
Speaker 8: let live person. It's like, but it offend you, then
Speaker 8: don't say it? Yeah, you know, but don't tell me
Speaker 8: because we're in the same community. So within our community,
Speaker 8: I respect your understanding of the word and how it
Speaker 8: impacts you, but respect mine. And I think that's the
Speaker 8: what we have to to show up as I think
Speaker 8: the question of who gets to say it. You know,
Speaker 8: j Lo got in a lot of trouble when she
Speaker 8: did the song with Jah Rule, and you know, she's
Speaker 8: Puerto Rican from the Bronx, and I know people feel
Speaker 8: a way about her now. But she had that song
Speaker 8: with y'all Rule and she was saying, I tell them
Speaker 8: niggas mind their business, but they don't hear me though,
Speaker 8: and people outside the.
Speaker 5: Tri State were like, whoa what? You don't get to
Speaker 5: say that.
Speaker 8: So I think the question of who gets to say
Speaker 8: it and how it's received even that, I couldn't imagine
Speaker 8: telling somebody like you shouldn't be offended, or you should
Speaker 8: be offended if you offended didn't say it some people.
Speaker 8: I think Mariah Carey was asked about it, like would
Speaker 8: she say the word? And Maria Carey identifies herself as black,
Speaker 8: so she feels like, yes, I can say this. She's
Speaker 8: white presenting when she first came out and we didn't
Speaker 8: know a lot about Mariah Carey, people felt the way
Speaker 8: about that answer, So I don't know. I think if
Speaker 8: everybody would do what they want to do and mind
Speaker 8: your business about what other people want to do and
Speaker 8: get to the real important things that are happening in
Speaker 8: our community outside who gets to say the inn word?
Speaker 8: I think that's better, But do I get own it?
Speaker 8: Conversation own?
Speaker 5: Do we own the in word? Yes, we own nigga.
Speaker 1: So when you say get like, mind your business, you're
Speaker 1: talking about mind the community?
Speaker 5: These business are you saying mind your business now? But
Speaker 5: that's for community people. You're specifying all talking about No, no.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, all of this is in community. I
Speaker 8: censor us at everything. Can I play the Tanahase?
Speaker 5: I was, yeah, I wanted to say this to Andrew.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to weigh in here,
Speaker 1: but I think that there is an intense fascination with
Speaker 1: who can say the in word, and us consistently being
Speaker 1: interrogated about who can say the in word?
Speaker 5: And yeah, so took that question.
Speaker 8: Tanahase was asked by a student and she was saying,
Speaker 8: she doesn't say it, and there are like, you know,
Speaker 8: these hip hop songs and people say it, and she
Speaker 8: wanted his opinion on white people saying this word, and
Speaker 8: he gave her an answer that I thought was pretty
Speaker 8: brilliant and summed up how I feel.
Speaker 2: Listen, shit, when you're white in this country, you're taught
Speaker 2: that everything belongs to you. Do you think you have
Speaker 2: a right to everything? You got a right to go
Speaker 2: with you? I mean in your condition this way. It's
Speaker 2: not you know, because you you know your hair is
Speaker 2: a texture or your skin is light. It's the fact
Speaker 2: that the laws in the culture tell you this. You
Speaker 2: got a right to go where you want to go,
Speaker 2: do what you want to do. Be however, and people
Speaker 2: just got to accommodate themselves to you. So here comes
Speaker 2: this word that you know, you feel like you invented,
Speaker 2: and now somebody will tell you how to use a
Speaker 2: word that you invented. You know, why can't I use it?
Speaker 2: Everyone else gets to use it? You know what. That's
Speaker 2: racism that I don't get to use it. You know
Speaker 2: that's racist against me. You know, I have to inconvenience
Speaker 2: to myself and to hear this song, and I can't
Speaker 2: sing along. How Come I can't sing along?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, for white people, I think
Speaker 2: the experience of being a hip hop fan and not
Speaker 2: being able to use the word nigga's actually very very insightful.
Speaker 2: It will give you just a little peak into.
Speaker 3: The world of what it means to be black.
Speaker 8: I think he summed it up perfectly, so perfectly. I
Speaker 8: don't even have anything else to add to.
Speaker 1: Well, Mike drop moment from tanahasty but before we drop
Speaker 1: it all the way word what I say, he gets,
Speaker 1: So it's Tana hot for a lot because you're not
Speaker 1: the only one Tana sea coat. Since how you say it,
Speaker 1: ta ha se definitely not trying to n word brother today,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say no, no, no, yes, why
Speaker 1: can't I use it? So speaking of who can't use it, though,
Speaker 1: we are clear that we don't think white folks should
Speaker 1: be able to. But Kendrick Lamar on one of his
Speaker 1: disc tracks recently, Euphoria, he said he don't like when
Speaker 1: Drake said it. He said, we don't want to hear
Speaker 1: you say nigga, no my, and it was weird. I
Speaker 1: think the query really is is it because he's biracial?
Speaker 1: Is it because he's Canadian? Is it because he's corny?
Speaker 5: Just because like I think you feel no, no, no,
Speaker 5: no no, I'm just asking the question.
Speaker 8: Well, how do you feel about Drake saying it?
Speaker 1: I don't care about Drake saying it. I think I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that's remarkable there was a
Speaker 1: and I didn't cut it for this because it was
Speaker 1: too long. It was so interesting a YouTube series where
Speaker 1: black folks sit with Africans and African Americans sit with
Speaker 1: Africans and they ask the question on if they say
Speaker 1: nigga and why, And for some people they think it
Speaker 1: is a unique experience for Black Americans to be able
Speaker 1: to say this word, to have ownership over this word,
Speaker 1: and not black people throughout the diaspora.
Speaker 5: That is not my perspective on it, because I think
Speaker 5: black folks who.
Speaker 1: Were coming from the continent here were called that, you know,
Speaker 1: and whatever it is, whatever we can own and do own,
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Whether that's land, whether it's the
Speaker 1: word nigga, whether it's money, whether whatever it is the
Speaker 1: highest office of the land, I'm good with that. I
Speaker 1: just think that it really taps into the perception on
Speaker 1: Drake's psyche, and that is what he was calling attention to.
Speaker 1: There are people who are black appearing, are black adjacent,
Speaker 1: and they get to do things with us like us,
Speaker 1: even when they don't care about us. And I think
Speaker 1: that was really the question. I don't even think it
Speaker 1: was so much about Drake as it was like people like.
Speaker 8: You, Yeah, you know, I don't even honestly, I don't
Speaker 8: care at all about white people's thoughts on the word nigga.
Speaker 8: Like it's just I just don't center that perspective.
Speaker 5: I was talking about Kendrick could Drake No.
Speaker 8: But when you were talking about the YouTube video that
Speaker 8: you wanted to play about these white kids asking each
Speaker 8: other like how they feel about it?
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, I said black Americans and Africans.
Speaker 5: I thought you were saying white black America.
Speaker 8: Okay, that changes it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm you answer it, my man. I thought
Speaker 5: you were saying it with a bunch of white hem No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No, no no.
Speaker 1: This was literally Africans from the contine, like, yes, this
Speaker 1: woman was born here, but her parents are from Nigeria.
Speaker 5: It is you know, and black Americans.
Speaker 1: And I was saying, do black people throughout the diaspora
Speaker 1: on this word or is it a Black American owned word?
Speaker 1: And I was saying, I don't have an opinion on that.
Speaker 1: I don't care when we were the other because we
Speaker 1: were all impacted by that.
Speaker 8: Hip hop has taken it to the continent for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but also the slave ship that went there
Speaker 1: first ticket to the you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: we were called that.
Speaker 8: But that was the I think the slur, I mean,
Speaker 8: the way yeah has taken it there, Yeah Yeah, what's
Speaker 8: your prior records?
Speaker 6: I do think as we I think early in the
Speaker 6: conversation we said that there are very, very important and
Speaker 6: vexing things to the community. The language piece, I think
Speaker 6: we've pushed past. There was a heated moment of it
Speaker 6: right in the nineties, largely in competition and in contrast
Speaker 6: to what was happening and the growth of hip hop
Speaker 6: and the popularity of hip hop, which transcended just black
Speaker 6: fans and it became highly popular concerts attended by majority
Speaker 6: white audiences, so on and so forth, made this into
Speaker 6: a heated tenor.
Speaker 3: But I think the waves have calmed a little bit.
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like if I got out of
Speaker 6: the head games between Kendrick and Drake on that what
Speaker 6: Kendrick might have been referring to is there is a
Speaker 6: unique Black American, black Southern American relationship with the word
Speaker 6: and not only is this brother not black Southern or
Speaker 6: have that experiences similar to what Obama faced about not
Speaker 6: being black enough. He was not bought up in the
Speaker 6: traditional black American experience.
Speaker 5: He was in Greg's daddy from Memphis.
Speaker 3: That may be the case. He was born and reared
Speaker 3: in Canada.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just was telling you that. Yeah, so some
Speaker 5: of that is at play. I hear this. I think
Speaker 5: that we might need to consider a part too.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that we should
Speaker 1: not to close this is dear white people, we don't
Speaker 1: want to hear you say nigga, No more, y'all.
Speaker 5: Can bury it. Carry on.
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