1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: We Nigus, Nigus. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 4: What is the language of. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 3: Origin Ethio into Almaharic? What is the definition a king? 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 5: It's used as a title of the sovereign of Ethiopia. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Nigas Vegas could use in a sentence the Nigas ruled 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: Ethiopia until the coup of nineteen seventy four. 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 5: Nigus and who would you say the word loudly for 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 5: the judges? 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: Nigus one more time? 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: Nigus, Nigus, Jesus, n e g Us, Nigus. 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 5: My nigga, my nigga, Hey, what's up? My niggas? We 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 5: also will say nigga please. 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes we might say I wish a nigga would and 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: then sometimes it's just nigga. 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 5: And you all guess what we're talking about today? Are 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 5: you tying? Cringing? Say what that's please? Because this ain't 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 5: just ratchet. 21 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: We are also teaching we have all experienced or heard 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: about those moments where somebody white tries to take it 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: too far and say the N word. And we're not 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: talking about like in the spelling bee niggas we're talking 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: about something like this. One of my favorite bits of 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: his is that when white people are rich, they're just 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: rich forever and ever, even though kids are rich. 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: But when a black guy gets rich, it's count down 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: to one. 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 6: He's poor, he's the blackest white guy, and then all 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 6: the negative things we think about black people. 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: This fucker, you're singing a nigger. Yes, you are the 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: niggarous fucking. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: I have ever. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 5: I don't think he could do that. 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: So you know, there are some people among us who 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: even make it okay for white people to say this, 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: but Oprah believes we shouldn't even say it. 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: It's impossible for me to do it because I know 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: the history, and I know that for so many of 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: my relatives whom I don't know, who I don't know 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: by name, people who I am connected to my ancestors, 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: that was the last word they heard. They were being 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 4: strung up by a tree. 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: And you know, the thing that we have to also 46 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: consider is the nation's oldest civil rights organization and the largest, 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the NAACP, which I will remind everyone is the National 48 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: Association for the Advancement of Colored People, also agrees with 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: lady Oh and even tried to bury the N word 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and gave it a whole funeral. 51 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 5: We're not going to do this in workstance anymore. It's 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 5: time to stop. And we hope that our rappers, our media, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: or the movie theaters, all of that, Hollywood, all of 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 5: us see what we're trying to do, and it's time 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: that we make it change. 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 7: It's time that we decide and what we want and 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 7: demand it because nothing is going to be given it 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 7: to us unless we get out here and let the 59 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 7: world know this is not acceptable. 60 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: Well that was in two thousand and seven. 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: And before we cut to any more sound, I just 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: want to ask my co host how long they think 63 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: the N word stayed dead or did it ever die? 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 8: It never died, They never died. That was kind of 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 8: a ridiculous stunt. I think you know it never died. 66 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: I think that you do. 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 6: I think it was more than a stunt. I think 68 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 6: I think for a certain generation of Black Americans, this 69 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 6: thing cuts really deep. Live at a time where our parents. 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: Could have, for you know, foreseeably had to exist through. 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 6: That term being used as a bludgeon tool right to 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 6: level them to make them feel small, to make them 73 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 6: feel less than. And then comes the advent of you know, 74 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 6: mostly rap hip hop, where it had a renaissance, if 75 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 6: you will, and not just not a renaissance in its 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 6: original fashion, but a renaissance in the sense that it was. 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 6: This is a word that was used to demean, to hurt, 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 6: to cut deep, to the red meat, and we're gonna 79 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 6: take it, reform it, and put it back out there as. 80 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: A word of our. 81 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 6: Own choosing, with a meaning of our own choosing, and 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 6: the rest would be history. And I think we now 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 6: find ourselves at a place where there's generational device between 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 6: how people walk away with a sentiment after they hear 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 6: that word my mother, my mother in law, my aunt's 86 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 6: uncles is not a word you want to say around 87 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 6: any of them. 88 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: There there was also this debate around I'm gonna come 89 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: to you tube, But there's also been a long standing 90 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: debate around if there's a difference between the E R 91 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: and the A of course right, And I just I 92 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: think that's another thing, like which word, which version of 93 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: the word did we actually bury in two thousand and seven. 94 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I think that's also a distinction word noting. But I 95 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: want to hear it, you guy. 96 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 6: Say geographically though, you can be in the South and 97 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 6: here a white person say nikkir yeah, and it be 98 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 6: intended with the same venom. 99 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 5: I don't care. 100 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 3: I'm just saying. 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 5: Any vow they ended with, they can't say it. 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 8: But well, I completely disagree with you about the generational thing. 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 8: I think, you know, we maybe look outside of our 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 8: own immediate experience in family members. My every generation, I know, 105 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 8: and my my parents said the word. My grandparents said 106 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 8: the word, you know, So it's not necessary generational. Even now, 107 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 8: there are people who say the word and people who don't. 108 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 8: People have strong opinions about it. I also kind of 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 8: take issue with this idea that is rooted in white supremacy. 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 8: The word originated from the Spanish word, you know, and 111 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 8: the Spaniards that's how they describe black people. It wasn't 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 8: even meant to be a slur at that point. It 113 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 8: was just this is what we no more than you 114 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 8: would call the Japanese. They called them Japanese, you know, 115 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 8: when the Portuguese and the European set sell to Japan. 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 8: So what white people then co opted the word. They 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 8: didn't even invent it. They co opted the word and 118 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 8: along with many other things, they used it as a 119 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 8: slur at that point. And so I don't choose my 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 8: I don't center them in any point in my life. 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 8: I don't center them in the language I use. I 122 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 8: don't center them in when I say it, how I 123 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 8: say it. I do think it is a word meant 124 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 8: to be said privately. I am uncomfortable. We have some 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 8: mutual friends who will say it in front of non 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 8: black people, and I do think this is a family 127 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 8: conversation and family talks. I don't like for myself and 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 8: personally for us to say it in mixed company. But 129 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 8: in terms of it being a word that said in 130 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 8: gin pop and the population, I say say it if 131 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 8: you want to, and I don't. I don't mean to 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 8: be dismissive of bearing the word, but I think I 133 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 8: think that was like in the early two thousands, that 134 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 8: or late ninety yeah, two thousand and seven when that happened, 135 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 8: Of all the things that was going on during that time, 136 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 8: I don't think that bearing the in word and imposing 137 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 8: your you know, narrow view on it was the most 138 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 8: the best use of time and resources, but that you use. 139 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 6: The word your narrow view, which I received as a pejorative, 140 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 6: not your narrow no no, no no, but your narrow 141 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 6: view being the people who wanted to bury it had 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 6: had a definition of what it meant to them. And 143 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 6: I have to say that the majority understanding of that word, 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 6: regardless regardless of his Spanish origin, which has to do 145 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 6: with the fact that that's the color, right. 146 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: So, but nowhere. 147 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 6: Did nigger get its definition from. 148 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: Simply the color black? 149 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 6: That it was always from its very beginnings, from its origins, 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: as it relates to its application to us used as 151 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 6: a pejorative, as an insult, as a weapon as well. 152 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 8: It wasn't by white people, and it wasn't the Spanish, yes, 153 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 8: but it was actually the Latin word, not negatal, but niger. 154 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 8: It wasn't even a patrol like the people who made 155 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 8: it one were white people here in America. They made 156 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 8: it one, right, so they sole the word and turned 157 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 8: it into something ugly. 158 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: They bastardized it. 159 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 6: Is what your argument is, and my argument is is 160 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 6: that regardless of its little known, little regarded origins, except 161 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: for a particular country and maybe region of the world, 162 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 6: by and large, the definition under which we understand it 163 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 6: has a pejorative meaning and a diminutive one toward us, 164 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 6: toward toward black folk people of color, and if I 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 6: ever understood it being spoken by them as a term 166 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 6: of endearment toward me, I can't think of them. 167 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: No, I can't. No, I don't think. 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's arguing that at all. I actually 169 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: think that that you all aren't saying something too different. 170 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I think she's saying the Latin term. Yeah, it was 171 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: one meaning, and then when white folks enslaved us, stole us, 172 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: brought us here, they took it to mean something completely 173 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: horrible and awful, like brute and wench. 174 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 6: I think that before we get to be adopted across 175 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 6: the globe, French parliamentarians began to use. 176 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: The words as it relates to what happened here and 177 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: along the Transatlantic slave trade to define and talk about 178 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: black people. But when we bring it up to modern times, 179 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: I do think it's important, whether it's a bad experience 180 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: or a positive experience. What you all's earliest memories of 181 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: the N word were or memory? 182 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: Hmmm, I didn't know, if y'all need to think. 183 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure it was comedy, probably SNL I remember 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 8: on because it didn't used to be a word that 185 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 8: you couldn't say on TV. The Jeffersons, you know, I 186 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 8: actually do remember The Jefferson's, an episode of The Jefferson's 187 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 8: because it was something that was said on television. That's 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 8: how common the word was. So it wasn't hip hop 189 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 8: that resurfaced it like it was. It's always been here, 190 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 8: even in music. Andrew, you know, like the war and 191 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 8: you think of, you know, Mom's Maybley, fact check me 192 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 8: on Mom's Maybley. But Millie Jackson, you know, like there's 193 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 8: always every generation. I think I remember there was an 194 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 8: episode of The Jeffersons. It was a rerun and they 195 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 8: George Jefferson was it was the overlap between them and 196 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 8: Archie Bunker, and George Jefferson was saying, you know, they 197 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 8: wanted him to hire Edith to work at his dry 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 8: cleaning business, and he said. 199 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 5: If we do. 200 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 8: Something like the niggas that think she uh, the white 201 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 8: folks that think she a nigga, and the niggas that 202 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 8: think we bleeds. 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 5: The help, Oh my god. 204 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 8: But this was the thing with the dialogue with George Jefferson, 205 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 8: and he used to also when he you know, they 206 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 8: became they were spin off and when they had their own. 207 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 8: He used to always call the guy was her name's husband. 208 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 8: He's called him Hounky all the time. And the white 209 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 8: man was a backlom Were you call me that? What 210 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 8: if I called you nigga? And it's like I wish 211 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 8: you would? 212 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 6: And they blew up when he said that in the show, right, 213 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 6: like the responses from the audience. 214 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 5: It wasn't though the thing. 215 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 8: It was so because they said it all the time. 216 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 6: So I take a slight exception with the familiarity and 217 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 6: the usage of the word in the in the late 218 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 6: seventies early eighties, those were shows done by Norman Lear, 219 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 6: and Norman was credited across, you know, really across platforms, 220 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 6: regardless of who the critic is, as using humor as 221 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 6: a way to put a mirror up to the American people. Yeah, 222 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 6: into Archie Bunker, sitting on the couch and and and 223 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 6: and using terminology that everyone could laugh with because it 224 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 6: was such an obvious characteristic of who he was, and 225 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 6: therefore who somebody's who one person's grandfather, you know, he 226 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 6: reminded him of about his grandfather, George Jefferson reminded us 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 6: at least of an aspirational view of what we might 228 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 6: do or be like if we were ever to. 229 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: Come into wealth. 230 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 6: And I didn't know anybody who had moved on up 231 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 6: and that and and and and that way, and so 232 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 6: it was in many ways aspirational, but it wasn't ubiquitous 233 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 6: across television the usage of it. That's what made his 234 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 6: work so noteworthy and exceptional, is that it was so 235 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 6: rare and he used so this is mirroring technique as 236 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 6: a way to to ease the conversation and make it 237 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: more comfortable and not a third rail. 238 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: So but I'm this and I do want you to 239 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: reflect on your earliest memory of this, But I just 240 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: mine kind of dovetails with tiff. I remember my parents 241 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: listening to Richard Pryor records and he said it all 242 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: the time, and he said it with they are all 243 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: the time, and my parents like, I'm gonna get in trouble, Mom, 244 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: don't get mad. 245 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 5: It's the truth. My mom and my dad, sisters she 246 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 5: didn't like you would go him that like. 247 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, or even if they were joking, 248 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: like she would be like listen and they would fall 249 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: out laughing. So like I associated the N word for 250 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: a long time just with comedic moments like I didn't 251 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: know that you couldn't say it. For example, on my 252 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: first Communion day because I was I was baptized Catholic hair. 253 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: First Communia had first repentance or whatever it's called. Ain't 254 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: called first repents now I'm pentecosta. 255 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 5: I don't know what the other world was called. 256 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Anyway, we had to go see the priests and you 257 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: tell them what you did wrong. Anyway, Yes, whatever it is, 258 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: but it was, it's a name for it, first reconciliation. 259 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 5: That's the first Communion day. I had a cat. We 260 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 5: had all the family over the house. 261 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: This is my dad's fault. Yeah, all the family over 262 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: the house and I couldn't get to the cat. We 263 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: had the elders at the house too, and I said, 264 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: come here, you little bastard. I did not know, just 265 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: like with the N word, that bastard was a bad word. 266 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 5: My dad said it all the time. And this is 267 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 5: my point. I was My dad and my mom was 268 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: were mortified, but like I was, like, how was I 269 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: supposed to know? You guys said all the time. Then 270 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 5: they were more mortified. 271 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: But my point is, I feel like it's not that 272 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: different with the inWORD for me from my experience growing up, 273 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: of course, with the black history parents I got. 274 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 5: You learn quickly after that, right. 275 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: That I think, you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about it. 276 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 6: I grew up a lot of my younger years in 277 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 6: my grandmother's household, and they were much older than my 278 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 6: dad's grandparents, my grandparents when I was growing up. My 279 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: mom's parents were in their seventies eighties, but a very 280 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 6: religious Pentecostal household, and my memory I have very clearly 281 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 6: as my grandmother, I mean just backhanding one of my brothers, 282 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 6: my second oldest brother, who used the word in the 283 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 6: house house and it was as it was as close 284 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: to blasphemy as you could come like, and my grandmother's 285 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 6: as we couldn't play I declare war because cards were 286 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 6: of the devil. 287 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: They were not supposed to be in the house. 288 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 6: So I think in some ways we do have slightly 289 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 6: different experiences because of in the ways in which we 290 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 6: were reared and where and so on and so forth. 291 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 6: So I do in some ways think there's a generational element. 292 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 6: But I also think there has always been, at least 293 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: amongst us, a familiarity with the word in some sub 294 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 6: ownership of it. 295 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't mean. 296 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 6: What the pejorative intended, right, Sure, the pejorative definition of 297 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 6: it was. But my honest thought is that I have 298 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 6: used it and use it with friends and close company, 299 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 6: and we almost never have necessarily positive you know. It's 300 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 6: like you did something, you know, messed up, and now 301 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 6: you or you've done so. But it's in love, it's 302 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 6: in care of each other. 303 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: But said, it's an accountability where all right, y'all, we're 304 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. 305 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm about to mess all up a little bit. And 306 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: that is growing up in Seattle. It's very multicultural, and 307 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: there's some constituencies in Seattle, like at least high school, 308 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: middle school for me, that grew up so closely with us, 309 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: particularly a lot of Filipino kids who said the N 310 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: word and we didn't think anything of it. In New York, 311 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of times Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and 312 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: of course we know that slave ship stopped in different. 313 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: Period. 314 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: They could be, but they also might not be. They 315 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: could be indigenous, right or. 316 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: Have someone in there. 317 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: There's a distinction, right right, But. 318 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying like there's some of that and people are 319 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: coming and I'm like, you're right, I'm a whole hypocrite there. 320 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: But there is one thing that I want to point 321 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: out here, and that is that some rappers, including Politzer 322 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Prize winning Kendrick Lamar, disagree with Lady Oh, disagree with 323 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: Berry in the in word, disagree with your grandma got 324 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: black Andrew but white. Andrew at the beginning of the 325 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: episode spelled it out, and of course Kendrick is. 326 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 5: On that same thing. 327 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: He said with royalty and that's how he would like 328 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: to remix and reinterpret the N word. 329 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think that's why I was saying, it's 330 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 8: a narrow perspective to bury it. I think if you 331 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 8: choose not to say it, then don't say it. But 332 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 8: it's just a crazy thing to me that somebody within 333 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 8: community would tell. I mean, I'm a big live and 334 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 8: let live person. It's like, but it offend you, then 335 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 8: don't say it? Yeah, you know, but don't tell me 336 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 8: because we're in the same community. So within our community, 337 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 8: I respect your understanding of the word and how it 338 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 8: impacts you, but respect mine. And I think that's the 339 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 8: what we have to to show up as I think 340 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 8: the question of who gets to say it. You know, 341 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 8: j Lo got in a lot of trouble when she 342 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 8: did the song with Jah Rule, and you know, she's 343 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 8: Puerto Rican from the Bronx, and I know people feel 344 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 8: a way about her now. But she had that song 345 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 8: with y'all Rule and she was saying, I tell them 346 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 8: niggas mind their business, but they don't hear me though, 347 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 8: and people outside the. 348 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 5: Tri State were like, whoa what? You don't get to 349 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 5: say that. 350 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 8: So I think the question of who gets to say 351 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 8: it and how it's received even that, I couldn't imagine 352 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 8: telling somebody like you shouldn't be offended, or you should 353 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 8: be offended if you offended didn't say it some people. 354 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 8: I think Mariah Carey was asked about it, like would 355 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 8: she say the word? And Maria Carey identifies herself as black, 356 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 8: so she feels like, yes, I can say this. She's 357 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 8: white presenting when she first came out and we didn't 358 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 8: know a lot about Mariah Carey, people felt the way 359 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 8: about that answer, So I don't know. I think if 360 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 8: everybody would do what they want to do and mind 361 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 8: your business about what other people want to do and 362 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 8: get to the real important things that are happening in 363 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 8: our community outside who gets to say the inn word? 364 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 8: I think that's better, But do I get own it? 365 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 8: Conversation own? 366 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: Do we own the in word? Yes, we own nigga. 367 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: So when you say get like, mind your business, you're 368 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: talking about mind the community? 369 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 5: These business are you saying mind your business now? But 370 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 5: that's for community people. You're specifying all talking about No, no. 371 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 8: No, no, no, all of this is in community. I 372 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 8: censor us at everything. Can I play the Tanahase? 373 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 5: I was, yeah, I wanted to say this to Andrew. 374 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to weigh in here, 375 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: but I think that there is an intense fascination with 376 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: who can say the in word, and us consistently being 377 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: interrogated about who can say the in word? 378 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 5: And yeah, so took that question. 379 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 8: Tanahase was asked by a student and she was saying, 380 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 8: she doesn't say it, and there are like, you know, 381 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 8: these hip hop songs and people say it, and she 382 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 8: wanted his opinion on white people saying this word, and 383 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 8: he gave her an answer that I thought was pretty 384 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 8: brilliant and summed up how I feel. 385 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: Listen, shit, when you're white in this country, you're taught 386 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: that everything belongs to you. Do you think you have 387 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: a right to everything? You got a right to go 388 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: with you? I mean in your condition this way. It's 389 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: not you know, because you you know your hair is 390 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: a texture or your skin is light. It's the fact 391 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: that the laws in the culture tell you this. You 392 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: got a right to go where you want to go, 393 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: do what you want to do. Be however, and people 394 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: just got to accommodate themselves to you. So here comes 395 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: this word that you know, you feel like you invented, 396 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: and now somebody will tell you how to use a 397 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: word that you invented. You know, why can't I use it? 398 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: Everyone else gets to use it? You know what. That's 399 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: racism that I don't get to use it. You know 400 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: that's racist against me. You know, I have to inconvenience 401 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: to myself and to hear this song, and I can't 402 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: sing along. How Come I can't sing along? 403 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 404 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, for white people, I think 405 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: the experience of being a hip hop fan and not 406 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: being able to use the word nigga's actually very very insightful. 407 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: It will give you just a little peak into. 408 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: The world of what it means to be black. 409 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 8: I think he summed it up perfectly, so perfectly. I 410 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 8: don't even have anything else to add to. 411 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: Well, Mike drop moment from tanahasty but before we drop 412 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: it all the way word what I say, he gets, 413 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: So it's Tana hot for a lot because you're not 414 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: the only one Tana sea coat. Since how you say it, 415 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: ta ha se definitely not trying to n word brother today, 416 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: but I was gonna say no, no, no, yes, why 417 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: can't I use it? So speaking of who can't use it, though, 418 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: we are clear that we don't think white folks should 419 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: be able to. But Kendrick Lamar on one of his 420 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: disc tracks recently, Euphoria, he said he don't like when 421 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Drake said it. He said, we don't want to hear 422 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: you say nigga, no my, and it was weird. I 423 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: think the query really is is it because he's biracial? 424 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: Is it because he's Canadian? Is it because he's corny? 425 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 5: Just because like I think you feel no, no, no, 426 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 5: no no, I'm just asking the question. 427 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 8: Well, how do you feel about Drake saying it? 428 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't care about Drake saying it. I think I 429 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: think one of the things that's remarkable there was a 430 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: and I didn't cut it for this because it was 431 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: too long. It was so interesting a YouTube series where 432 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: black folks sit with Africans and African Americans sit with 433 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: Africans and they ask the question on if they say 434 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: nigga and why, And for some people they think it 435 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: is a unique experience for Black Americans to be able 436 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: to say this word, to have ownership over this word, 437 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: and not black people throughout the diaspora. 438 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 5: That is not my perspective on it, because I think 439 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 5: black folks who. 440 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Were coming from the continent here were called that, you know, 441 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: and whatever it is, whatever we can own and do own, 442 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Whether that's land, whether it's the 443 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: word nigga, whether it's money, whether whatever it is the 444 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: highest office of the land, I'm good with that. I 445 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: just think that it really taps into the perception on 446 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: Drake's psyche, and that is what he was calling attention to. 447 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: There are people who are black appearing, are black adjacent, 448 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: and they get to do things with us like us, 449 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: even when they don't care about us. And I think 450 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: that was really the question. I don't even think it 451 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: was so much about Drake as it was like people like. 452 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 8: You, Yeah, you know, I don't even honestly, I don't 453 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 8: care at all about white people's thoughts on the word nigga. 454 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 8: Like it's just I just don't center that perspective. 455 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 5: I was talking about Kendrick could Drake No. 456 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 8: But when you were talking about the YouTube video that 457 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 8: you wanted to play about these white kids asking each 458 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 8: other like how they feel about it? 459 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, I said black Americans and Africans. 460 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: I thought you were saying white black America. 461 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 8: Okay, that changes it. 462 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm you answer it, my man. I thought 463 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: you were saying it with a bunch of white hem No, no, no, no. 464 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: No, no no. 465 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: This was literally Africans from the contine, like, yes, this 466 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: woman was born here, but her parents are from Nigeria. 467 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 5: It is you know, and black Americans. 468 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: And I was saying, do black people throughout the diaspora 469 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: on this word or is it a Black American owned word? 470 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: And I was saying, I don't have an opinion on that. 471 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't care when we were the other because we 472 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: were all impacted by that. 473 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 8: Hip hop has taken it to the continent for sure. 474 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but also the slave ship that went there 475 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: first ticket to the you know what I'm saying, Like 476 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: we were called that. 477 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 8: But that was the I think the slur, I mean, 478 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 8: the way yeah has taken it there, Yeah Yeah, what's 479 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 8: your prior records? 480 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: I do think as we I think early in the 481 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 6: conversation we said that there are very, very important and 482 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 6: vexing things to the community. The language piece, I think 483 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 6: we've pushed past. There was a heated moment of it 484 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 6: right in the nineties, largely in competition and in contrast 485 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 6: to what was happening and the growth of hip hop 486 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 6: and the popularity of hip hop, which transcended just black 487 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 6: fans and it became highly popular concerts attended by majority 488 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: white audiences, so on and so forth, made this into 489 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 6: a heated tenor. 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: But I think the waves have calmed a little bit. 491 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 6: I kind of feel like if I got out of 492 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 6: the head games between Kendrick and Drake on that what 493 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 6: Kendrick might have been referring to is there is a 494 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 6: unique Black American, black Southern American relationship with the word 495 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 6: and not only is this brother not black Southern or 496 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 6: have that experiences similar to what Obama faced about not 497 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 6: being black enough. He was not bought up in the 498 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 6: traditional black American experience. 499 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 5: He was in Greg's daddy from Memphis. 500 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: That may be the case. He was born and reared 501 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 3: in Canada. 502 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just was telling you that. Yeah, so some 503 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 5: of that is at play. I hear this. I think 504 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 5: that we might need to consider a part too. 505 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that we should 506 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: not to close this is dear white people, we don't 507 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: want to hear you say nigga, No more, y'all. 508 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 5: Can bury it. 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