WEBVTT - The Au Pair Affair Double Murder Trial

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Tuesday, January the thirteenth, and a man had

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<v Speaker 2>an affair with his Brazilian OD pair and then his

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<v Speaker 2>wife ends up dead in a double murder premeditated sexual

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy plot. And that trial gets underway today And with that,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Roade. Did I kind of get close to getting it right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because this has so many cliches wrapped up in it

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<v Speaker 2>And this is absolutely a true crime episode or a

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<v Speaker 2>movie in the making.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, if you want to look up sensational murder trial

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<v Speaker 3>Exhibit A will be in a Virginia courtroom today starting

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<v Speaker 3>at ten am. That is when opening statements are scheduled

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<v Speaker 3>to begin. Yes, for a Virginia man who is accused

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<v Speaker 3>of conspiring with his Brazilian OH pair to murder his

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<v Speaker 3>wife and a stranger that prosecutors say they lured to

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<v Speaker 3>his home to make it look like some sexual fantasy

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<v Speaker 3>gone bad, and he rushes in as the hero to

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<v Speaker 3>save his wife, and it all unraveled because prosecutors say

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<v Speaker 3>they figured out pretty quickly what happened with the help

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<v Speaker 3>of the old pair.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brendan Banfield is the man's name, but you're The

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<v Speaker 2>plot is that he's having an affair and he tries

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<v Speaker 2>to kill his wife and have someone else take responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>and take the fall for it, so then he could

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<v Speaker 2>be with his Brazilian Oh pair.

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<v Speaker 1>How old was the pair?

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<v Speaker 4>He's forty, right, I don't know how old she was.

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<v Speaker 1>They're usually not mid fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm taking in her twenties at the Yes, that's probably

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<v Speaker 3>a safe bet.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we go back to twenty twenty three, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in February of when this all happened, and we set

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<v Speaker 2>this up in that Brendan Banfield and his wife, Christine Banfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they have they had a kid or two?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he had a four year old daughter who.

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<v Speaker 2>Was in the house at the time. That's all the charges,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not the big selling point here. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about is Christine Banfield. They can you say

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<v Speaker 2>the pair's name to me? I couldn't say.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a It's a Juliana Perez Magalhaes is how I

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<v Speaker 3>would best. I'm not great at Portuguese, but Juliana Perez.

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<v Speaker 1>Macalas Magalas is what we're gonna go with for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Episode with Magals and then when we get to the

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<v Speaker 3>trial and we hear her name pronounced differently, will adjust.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the opening statements are actually going to start

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<v Speaker 2>today in this trial. But as prosecutors describe, the setup

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<v Speaker 2>here is that these two were involved in an affair,

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<v Speaker 2>the man and the old pair, and they come up

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<v Speaker 2>with this plan robes to kill the wife, but to

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<v Speaker 2>make it look like some stranger did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct. So, according to the prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 3>The pair and Banfield created a fake pro file on

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<v Speaker 3>a website called fetlife dot com and it's described as

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<v Speaker 3>a BDSM and fantasy dating website. And according to prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 3>the a Pair and Banfield pretended to be Christine, his wife,

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<v Speaker 3>so they set up a fake profile pretending to be

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<v Speaker 3>his wife. Then the pairs told prosecutors that she and

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<v Speaker 3>Brendan logged onto Christine's work computer to use this fake account.

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<v Speaker 3>They set up to solicit someone to fulfill a sexual fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>So they find this guy who responds and they convince

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<v Speaker 3>him to come to the home to carry out a

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<v Speaker 3>rape fantasy involving a knife. This is the setup that

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<v Speaker 3>they've created, so they raise.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds this is the normal part already, it's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>as it sounds actually nothing wrong has taken place. These

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<v Speaker 2>websites are out there, your thing, knock yourselves out. But

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, this is an unsuspecting guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>signing up for whatever he's into.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty nine year old Joseph Ryan.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, all right, I'll come and fulfill your sexual

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<v Speaker 3>fantasy of a rape with a knife.

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<v Speaker 4>They said that they got specific.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the pair, she actually got on the phone

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<v Speaker 3>with him, so he heard a woman's voice. He felt

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<v Speaker 3>confident that he was walking into a consensual situation. She

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<v Speaker 3>said she wanted him to cut her clothes off, hold

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<v Speaker 3>her at knife point, and simulate a rape. Basically, so

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<v Speaker 3>the plan was and what ended up happening is when

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph Ryan shows up to the house and starts to

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<v Speaker 3>carry out the plan. Brendan Banfield and the Old Pair

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<v Speaker 3>then burst into the bedroom to save the day. But

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<v Speaker 3>what actually happened is they claim that Banfield stabbed Christine

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<v Speaker 3>with that knife and then shot Ryan, and then even

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<v Speaker 3>the Old Pair admits she also shot Ryan for a

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<v Speaker 3>final shot to make sure he was dead. That is

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<v Speaker 3>what prosecutors say happen, and they say they have the

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<v Speaker 3>a pair there to verify everything.

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<v Speaker 4>That happened as it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were both charged, Brendan Banfield and the old

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<v Speaker 2>pair initially, but she pleaded to lesser charges. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>we have all the details, rope you just laid out,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason prosecutors know more about this story is

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<v Speaker 2>because she turned essentially on Brendan Banfield. However, this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a complicated case, and that there were

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<v Speaker 2>until she turned.

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<v Speaker 1>They were flapping in the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't seem to really have a full understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>what actually took place in that house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I mean imagine that scene and Brendan is

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<v Speaker 3>telling them, hey, guys, you know, look what happened. I

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<v Speaker 3>walked in and I saw this man with a knife

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<v Speaker 3>over my wife, and so I immediately shot him as

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<v Speaker 3>he was stabbing my wife. So seemed like he thought

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<v Speaker 3>he had the perfect murder plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he standing by? I know, obviously not guilty, but

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<v Speaker 2>is he standing by? Is his defense going to be what?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the defense is going to be that the pair,

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<v Speaker 3>for whatever reason, who knows what motivation they're going.

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<v Speaker 1>To give the pair trying to save her own.

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<v Speaker 3>Butt exactly, but they're going to claim that she made

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing up. Now he is facing two counts

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<v Speaker 3>of aggravated murder, one count of use of a firearm

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<v Speaker 3>in the commission of a felony, account of felony child

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<v Speaker 3>abuse and neglect, an account of felony child cruelty because

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<v Speaker 3>his four year old was at the home at the

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<v Speaker 3>time of these murders. And that's all important because that

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<v Speaker 3>creates this situation needed for them to give aggravated murder charges.

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<v Speaker 3>When you have aggravated murder charges, you can seek the

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<v Speaker 3>highest form of punishment possible, which could include the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why these extra charges are important. And a

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<v Speaker 3>murder case like this also, of note, the cameras are

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<v Speaker 3>in the courtroom, and this is really rare in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching a local news reporter who said, the

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<v Speaker 3>last time this happened was in twenty twenty two, and

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<v Speaker 3>we will all remember actually the last time cameras were

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<v Speaker 3>in a courtroom in Virginia, and that was for the

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<v Speaker 3>amber heard Johnny Depp trial, which we.

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<v Speaker 4>Were pretty much all glued to.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason why those two things might be connected

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<v Speaker 3>here is the same judge who oversaw that case is

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<v Speaker 3>overseeing this case case. And she said, hey, didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>any problem with the transparency. The cameras worked well in

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<v Speaker 3>that court case, so I'm going to allow them in

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<v Speaker 3>this court case. And so that's why there's even more

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<v Speaker 3>attention on this particular murder trial. It's already salatious enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but to know that there are cameras in the courtroom

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<v Speaker 3>is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big deal, and it gives everybody a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to follow this case. And again it's we always have

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<v Speaker 2>to be careful. I mean, is it's it's a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's we say selatious. And already the headline you see

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<v Speaker 2>with some are writing and being funny about the old

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<v Speaker 2>pair and things like that. It's I know, it's become like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just be honest about it. Crime has become a

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<v Speaker 2>part of our entertainment unfortunately. But you have to remember

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<v Speaker 2>the victims here in not just the dead, but including

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<v Speaker 2>the child who was in that home, who was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be without at least one parent for an extending right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his child. It wasn't their child together all of.

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<v Speaker 3>The way they have phrased. It was his child, his

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<v Speaker 3>four year old. So yes, and that you make a

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<v Speaker 3>really good point. Christine Manfield, the wife thirty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a pediatric intensive care nurse. Think about pediatric

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<v Speaker 3>intensive care nurses. You know, we don't know this woman,

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<v Speaker 3>but just by knowing what she did for a living

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<v Speaker 3>says a lot about who she was and the profession

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<v Speaker 3>she chose. And I just think that's important to remember.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, thirty nine year old Joseph Bryant, you know

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<v Speaker 3>people I'm sure just are very dismissive.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's funny. We were talking about this the other

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<v Speaker 2>day in a totally different context about just name some

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<v Speaker 2>professions that as soon as you hear the profession you

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<v Speaker 2>immediately jumped to a conclusion about that person. And we

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<v Speaker 2>were actually talking about fighter violences and some different stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You were and when you say pediatric intensive care nurse, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we know what an ICU is just in general, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're in bad shape to think that someone is caring

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<v Speaker 2>for or the most vulnerable in their most vulnerable state. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know this about the woman that immediately to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you something.

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<v Speaker 4>All of a sudden, your heart just in a different

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<v Speaker 4>way out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it feels something different because you start to get

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<v Speaker 3>an idea of who this woman was and the callousness

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<v Speaker 3>if this is all true what prosecutors say that because

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to be married to her and he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go right off into the sunset with so parent,

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<v Speaker 3>that's fine, divorce her. I never understand Is it then

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<v Speaker 3>about money? Is it then about pride? Is it then

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<v Speaker 3>about something else? Why go to that next level with

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<v Speaker 3>this woman who clearly chose a life of service. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's a sad story altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of somebody she was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>inviting into their home, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes to take and yes this is this a parent

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, this and this will likely play into

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<v Speaker 3>the defense, and we'll get into this in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 3>but as a part of the all pairs plea agreement,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really important to note.

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<v Speaker 4>So this happened in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>They are going to reckon Fairfax County prosecutors that she

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<v Speaker 3>just gets a sentence of time already served, meaning she

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<v Speaker 3>will not spend any time in jail other than what

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<v Speaker 3>she's spent already.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is that two years at the most two

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<v Speaker 4>years plus.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's from Brazil, as we mentioned, and her sentencing

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<v Speaker 3>notably has been delayed until after this trial. So she

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<v Speaker 3>will be cooperating with prosecutors taking the witness stand, and

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<v Speaker 3>then once the trial is over, she will be deported

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<v Speaker 3>to Brazil a free woman. That is some compelling information

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<v Speaker 3>to know. And surely the defense will capitalize on that

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<v Speaker 3>that she had every reason to turn on him.

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<v Speaker 2>And this makes her testimony now when this trial must

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<v Speaker 2>see you have to see she is key because now

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<v Speaker 2>she is being given.

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<v Speaker 1>A hell of a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>A golden parish.

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<v Speaker 1>Is she is? It appears Robes their only hope of

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<v Speaker 1>convicting this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes and so so in addition to her testimony and

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<v Speaker 3>what his defense will be, well, there is another twist

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<v Speaker 3>in this case, guys. A hearing over this summer revealed

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<v Speaker 3>that a Virginia detective, so someone who was with the

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<v Speaker 3>Fairfax County Police Department, could also be a key part

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<v Speaker 3>of the defense in dismantling a big part of the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution's allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, folks, we continue here on Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Banfield opening statements set for this morning in the

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<v Speaker 2>case of what is being dubbed the O Pair affair.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they're saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but yes, Brendan Banfield involved in an affair with

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<v Speaker 2>the old pair Brazilian o pair. His wife ends up

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<v Speaker 2>dead along with another man who they had lured to

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<v Speaker 2>the home, unsuspecting guy who thought he was coming for

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<v Speaker 2>a sexual fetish fantasy role playing thing with thee but

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<v Speaker 2>instead the wife was stabbed and then they shot, according

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecutors, this other man, to make it look like

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<v Speaker 2>they shot and killed the intruder, expecting to be heroes

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<v Speaker 2>right off into the sunset and then can be together.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the case. They are being or he

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<v Speaker 2>is on trial today. She, however, robes very important point,

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<v Speaker 2>is not on trial. She has, for lack of a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of a better term, she turned.

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<v Speaker 4>On him, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And after opening statements this morning, which again begin at

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<v Speaker 3>ten am. There are many legal experts who believe the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution may start out with a bang, and they may

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<v Speaker 3>call the OU pair to the stand first. So a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of electricity in that courtroom this morning as people

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<v Speaker 3>wait to see who takes the stand first. Someone put

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<v Speaker 3>it like this, only four people know exactly what happened

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<v Speaker 3>in that bedroom. Two of them are dead, one of

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<v Speaker 3>them is on trial for his life, and the other

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<v Speaker 3>is expected to testify. That's how important this testimony is today.

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<v Speaker 2>So the last two, the two that are alive, we

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<v Speaker 2>have no reason to believe them. Like, as a juror,

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<v Speaker 2>am I gonna believe Hi'm me trying to save his ass?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna believe her he's trying to save hers. So

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<v Speaker 2>what is the actual evidence show? We always do this

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<v Speaker 2>in these trials, Rod, would you put yourself in the

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<v Speaker 2>position of the juror and looking at this, My question

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<v Speaker 2>is that what is the evidence? Because I don't believe anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because you can say whatever you want to say

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<v Speaker 3>to conveniently fit your theory. That saves your butt the most. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>there is another twist in this case that we teased

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<v Speaker 3>before we went to break. So in a hearing over

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<v Speaker 3>the summer, a Fairfax County detective who is.

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<v Speaker 4>Trained in digital forensics.

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<v Speaker 3>He testified that is he analyzed all of the digital

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<v Speaker 3>data in this in terms of that fetish site website

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<v Speaker 3>that the prosecution claims, and that the O pair says

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<v Speaker 3>they went on and created in Christine's name on her

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<v Speaker 3>computer and solicited this man to come over to the home. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>this detective said that it is his professional conclusion that

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<v Speaker 3>it was Christine on the computer, not Brendan and the

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<v Speaker 3>AU pair. Now it's not just this one detective who

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<v Speaker 3>says this. He actually had his team who prepared this

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<v Speaker 3>analyzed by the University of Alabama, so they had it

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<v Speaker 3>peer reviewed and the University of Alabama evidence analysis team

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<v Speaker 3>affirmed the detective's finding. So you have a group of

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<v Speaker 3>people now who say, after looking at the digital footprint

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<v Speaker 3>left behind on Christine's computer, they believe it was Christine

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<v Speaker 3>who solicited this fetish worker. I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>describe what that profession is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, was it a professional guy who just I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a site for random not anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess maybe it was just a meet up hook

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<v Speaker 3>up thing. I guess maybe there was no money.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience, right, you're right, of course you're thinking, I'm right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, yes, this was just a consensual, mutual thing

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<v Speaker 3>where two people agree to meet and play out sexual fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're claiming it was Christine, not Brendan and the

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<v Speaker 3>old pair. So how does that change?

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<v Speaker 1>It changes everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything, because now you can't believe anything the O pair

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<v Speaker 3>has said on the jury.

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<v Speaker 2>If you prove to me, if you tell me that

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<v Speaker 2>she was the one sending and recruiting and having that

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<v Speaker 2>guy come over.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean right, And could you make the jury believe

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<v Speaker 3>or at least plant a seed of reasonable doubt in

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<v Speaker 3>their heads that the O pair was upset that he

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<v Speaker 3>ended an affair with her, or that she was about

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<v Speaker 3>to get fired, or that he was about to maybe

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<v Speaker 3>and so this was her way to get back at him,

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<v Speaker 3>to make the whole plot look.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he did it. But see, she's still.

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<v Speaker 3>Been behind bars and still admitted to shooting Ryan. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's the only thing. Why would she do that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of wise with a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 1>in this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But ro would you you brought up what I think

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<v Speaker 2>is key If you want to tell you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me somebody out there whose job it is. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a we know about forensic examination now even know

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<v Speaker 2>about digital forensics these days. You're telling me there's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who swear and this guy was moved from his position.

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<v Speaker 2>The timing is weird. They say it had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with a disciplinary action or because he wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>along with the program. But he just happened to get moved,

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<v Speaker 2>not fired. He was moved through a different divisions yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there it is so that for me, at least as

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<v Speaker 2>a juror, if they allowed, I would raise my hand

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<v Speaker 2>and ask questions, and this would be one of the first.

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<v Speaker 2>But if somebody in a whole group backed him up, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>What you said, Yes, the University of Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as SEC folks whould say, ah, it's Alabama trying.

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<v Speaker 4>To weigh in my feelings about Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama, Georgia, we love you. That's just that's just an

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<v Speaker 1>SEC joke. As rivals, you can't believe anything in al No. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have backed it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, then you're gonna have to approve to me that

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<v Speaker 2>these two are responsible for getting that guy to the house,

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<v Speaker 2>because if they're not, that means they did not premeditate

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<v Speaker 2>and plan to murder him and her.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a fascinating case.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be fascinating to watch the ou pair take the

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<v Speaker 3>stand and yes, how the prosecution overcomes that big problem

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<v Speaker 3>they have in terms of their timeline and their premeditation.

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<v Speaker 3>You make such a good point, so we will be watching.

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<v Speaker 3>We will keep you updated. Again. The trial begins at

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<v Speaker 3>ten a m. Eastern time in Virginia. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you everyone, for listening to us. I'm Amy Robot

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<v Speaker 3>alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Holmes. We will talk to you soon.