1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, January the thirteenth, and a man had 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: an affair with his Brazilian OD pair and then his 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: wife ends up dead in a double murder premeditated sexual 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: fantasy plot. And that trial gets underway today And with that, 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Roade. Did I kind of get close to getting it right? 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: Because this has so many cliches wrapped up in it 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: And this is absolutely a true crime episode or a 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: movie in the making. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Yes, if you want to look up sensational murder trial 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: Exhibit A will be in a Virginia courtroom today starting 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: at ten am. That is when opening statements are scheduled 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: to begin. Yes, for a Virginia man who is accused 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: of conspiring with his Brazilian OH pair to murder his 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: wife and a stranger that prosecutors say they lured to 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: his home to make it look like some sexual fantasy 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: gone bad, and he rushes in as the hero to 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: save his wife, and it all unraveled because prosecutors say 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: they figured out pretty quickly what happened with the help 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: of the old pair. 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: So Brendan Banfield is the man's name, but you're The 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: plot is that he's having an affair and he tries 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: to kill his wife and have someone else take responsibility 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: and take the fall for it, so then he could 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: be with his Brazilian Oh pair. 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: How old was the pair? 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: He's forty, right, I don't know how old she was. 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: They're usually not mid fifties. 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: I'm taking in her twenties at the Yes, that's probably 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: a safe bet. 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Okay. 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: So we go back to twenty twenty three, I believe 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: in February of when this all happened, and we set 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: this up in that Brendan Banfield and his wife, Christine Banfield. 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Did they have they had a kid or two? 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 4: Well, he had a four year old daughter who. 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: Was in the house at the time. That's all the charges, 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: but that's not the big selling point here. But what 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: we're talking about is Christine Banfield. They can you say 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: the pair's name to me? I couldn't say. 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: It's a It's a Juliana Perez Magalhaes is how I 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: would best. I'm not great at Portuguese, but Juliana Perez. 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Macalas Magalas is what we're gonna go with for this. 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: Episode with Magals and then when we get to the 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: trial and we hear her name pronounced differently, will adjust. 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so the opening statements are actually going to start 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: today in this trial. But as prosecutors describe, the setup 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: here is that these two were involved in an affair, 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: the man and the old pair, and they come up 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: with this plan robes to kill the wife, but to 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: make it look like some stranger did it. 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: Correct. So, according to the prosecutors. 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 3: The pair and Banfield created a fake pro file on 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: a website called fetlife dot com and it's described as 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: a BDSM and fantasy dating website. And according to prosecutors, 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: the a Pair and Banfield pretended to be Christine, his wife, 58 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: so they set up a fake profile pretending to be 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: his wife. Then the pairs told prosecutors that she and 60 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: Brendan logged onto Christine's work computer to use this fake account. 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: They set up to solicit someone to fulfill a sexual fantasy. 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: So they find this guy who responds and they convince 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: him to come to the home to carry out a 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: rape fantasy involving a knife. This is the setup that 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: they've created, so they raise. 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: It sounds this is the normal part already, it's crazy 67 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: as it sounds actually nothing wrong has taken place. These 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: websites are out there, your thing, knock yourselves out. But 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: at this point, this is an unsuspecting guy who was 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: signing up for whatever he's into. 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: Thirty nine year old Joseph Ryan. 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: He's like, all right, I'll come and fulfill your sexual 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: fantasy of a rape with a knife. 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: They said that they got specific. 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: According to the pair, she actually got on the phone 76 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: with him, so he heard a woman's voice. He felt 77 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: confident that he was walking into a consensual situation. She 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: said she wanted him to cut her clothes off, hold 79 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: her at knife point, and simulate a rape. Basically, so 80 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: the plan was and what ended up happening is when 81 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan shows up to the house and starts to 82 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: carry out the plan. Brendan Banfield and the Old Pair 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: then burst into the bedroom to save the day. But 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: what actually happened is they claim that Banfield stabbed Christine 85 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: with that knife and then shot Ryan, and then even 86 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: the Old Pair admits she also shot Ryan for a 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: final shot to make sure he was dead. That is 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: what prosecutors say happen, and they say they have the 89 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: a pair there to verify everything. 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 4: That happened as it happened. 91 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: So they were both charged, Brendan Banfield and the old 92 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: pair initially, but she pleaded to lesser charges. The reason 93 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: we have all the details, rope you just laid out, 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: and the reason prosecutors know more about this story is 95 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: because she turned essentially on Brendan Banfield. However, this is 96 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: going to be a complicated case, and that there were 97 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: until she turned. 98 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: They were flapping in the wind. 99 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: They didn't seem to really have a full understanding of 100 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: what actually took place in that house. 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean imagine that scene and Brendan is 102 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: telling them, hey, guys, you know, look what happened. I 103 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: walked in and I saw this man with a knife 104 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: over my wife, and so I immediately shot him as 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: he was stabbing my wife. So seemed like he thought 106 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: he had the perfect murder plan. 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: Is he standing by? I know, obviously not guilty, but 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: is he standing by? Is his defense going to be what? 109 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: Yes, the defense is going to be that the pair, 110 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, who knows what motivation they're going. 111 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: To give the pair trying to save her own. 112 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: Butt exactly, but they're going to claim that she made 113 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 3: the whole thing up. Now he is facing two counts 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: of aggravated murder, one count of use of a firearm 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: in the commission of a felony, account of felony child 116 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: abuse and neglect, an account of felony child cruelty because 117 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: his four year old was at the home at the 118 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: time of these murders. And that's all important because that 119 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 3: creates this situation needed for them to give aggravated murder charges. 120 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: When you have aggravated murder charges, you can seek the 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: highest form of punishment possible, which could include the death penalty. 122 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: So that's why these extra charges are important. And a 123 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: murder case like this also, of note, the cameras are 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: in the courtroom, and this is really rare in Virginia. 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: I was watching a local news reporter who said, the 126 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: last time this happened was in twenty twenty two, and 127 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: we will all remember actually the last time cameras were 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: in a courtroom in Virginia, and that was for the 129 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: amber heard Johnny Depp trial, which we. 130 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 4: Were pretty much all glued to. 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: And the reason why those two things might be connected 132 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: here is the same judge who oversaw that case is 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: overseeing this case case. And she said, hey, didn't see 134 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: any problem with the transparency. The cameras worked well in 135 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: that court case, so I'm going to allow them in 136 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: this court case. And so that's why there's even more 137 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: attention on this particular murder trial. It's already salatious enough, 138 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: but to know that there are cameras in the courtroom 139 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: is a big deal. 140 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 2: It's a big deal, and it gives everybody a chance 141 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: to follow this case. And again it's we always have 142 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: to be careful. I mean, is it's it's a tragedy. 143 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: It's we say selatious. And already the headline you see 144 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: with some are writing and being funny about the old 145 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: pair and things like that. It's I know, it's become like, 146 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: let's just be honest about it. Crime has become a 147 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: part of our entertainment unfortunately. But you have to remember 148 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: the victims here in not just the dead, but including 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: the child who was in that home, who was going 150 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: to be without at least one parent for an extending right. 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: It was his child. It wasn't their child together all of. 152 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: The way they have phrased. It was his child, his 153 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: four year old. So yes, and that you make a 154 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: really good point. Christine Manfield, the wife thirty seven years old. 155 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: She was a pediatric intensive care nurse. Think about pediatric 156 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: intensive care nurses. You know, we don't know this woman, 157 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: but just by knowing what she did for a living 158 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: says a lot about who she was and the profession 159 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: she chose. And I just think that's important to remember. 160 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: And yes, thirty nine year old Joseph Bryant, you know 161 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: people I'm sure just are very dismissive. 162 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. We were talking about this the other 163 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: day in a totally different context about just name some 164 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: professions that as soon as you hear the profession you 165 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: immediately jumped to a conclusion about that person. And we 166 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: were actually talking about fighter violences and some different stuff. 167 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: You were and when you say pediatric intensive care nurse, like, 168 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: we know what an ICU is just in general, and 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: you're in bad shape to think that someone is caring 170 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: for or the most vulnerable in their most vulnerable state. Yeah, 171 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: I didn't know this about the woman that immediately to 172 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: tell you something. 173 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: All of a sudden, your heart just in a different 174 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: way out. 175 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels something different because you start to get 176 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: an idea of who this woman was and the callousness 177 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: if this is all true what prosecutors say that because 178 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: he didn't want to be married to her and he 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: wanted to go right off into the sunset with so parent, 180 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: that's fine, divorce her. I never understand Is it then 181 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: about money? Is it then about pride? Is it then 182 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: about something else? Why go to that next level with 183 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: this woman who clearly chose a life of service. It's 184 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: just it's a sad story altogether. 185 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: But in terms of somebody she was a part of 186 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: inviting into their home, yes. 187 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: Yes to take and yes this is this a parent 188 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: by the way, this and this will likely play into 189 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 3: the defense, and we'll get into this in just a moment, 190 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: but as a part of the all pairs plea agreement, 191 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: I think it's really important to note. 192 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 4: So this happened in twenty twenty three. 193 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: They are going to reckon Fairfax County prosecutors that she 194 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: just gets a sentence of time already served, meaning she 195 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: will not spend any time in jail other than what 196 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: she's spent already. 197 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 4: So what is that two years at the most two 198 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 4: years plus. 199 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: So she's from Brazil, as we mentioned, and her sentencing 200 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: notably has been delayed until after this trial. So she 201 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: will be cooperating with prosecutors taking the witness stand, and 202 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: then once the trial is over, she will be deported 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: to Brazil a free woman. That is some compelling information 204 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: to know. And surely the defense will capitalize on that 205 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: that she had every reason to turn on him. 206 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: And this makes her testimony now when this trial must 207 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: see you have to see she is key because now 208 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: she is being given. 209 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: A hell of a deal. 210 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: A golden parish. 211 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: Is she is? It appears Robes their only hope of 212 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: convicting this guy. 213 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: Yes and so so in addition to her testimony and 214 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: what his defense will be, well, there is another twist 215 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: in this case, guys. A hearing over this summer revealed 216 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: that a Virginia detective, so someone who was with the 217 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: Fairfax County Police Department, could also be a key part 218 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: of the defense in dismantling a big part of the 219 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: prosecution's allegations. 220 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: All right, folks, we continue here on Amy and TJ. 221 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: Brendan Banfield opening statements set for this morning in the 222 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: case of what is being dubbed the O Pair affair. 223 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Is that what? 224 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: That's what they're saying? 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Yes, but yes, Brendan Banfield involved in an affair with 226 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: the old pair Brazilian o pair. His wife ends up 227 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: dead along with another man who they had lured to 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: the home, unsuspecting guy who thought he was coming for 229 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: a sexual fetish fantasy role playing thing with thee but 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: instead the wife was stabbed and then they shot, according 231 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: to prosecutors, this other man, to make it look like 232 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: they shot and killed the intruder, expecting to be heroes 233 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: right off into the sunset and then can be together. 234 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: But that's not the case. They are being or he 235 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: is on trial today. She, however, robes very important point, 236 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: is not on trial. She has, for lack of a 237 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: lack of a better term, she turned. 238 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: On him, yes, exactly. 239 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: And after opening statements this morning, which again begin at 240 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: ten am. There are many legal experts who believe the 241 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: prosecution may start out with a bang, and they may 242 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: call the OU pair to the stand first. So a 243 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: lot of electricity in that courtroom this morning as people 244 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: wait to see who takes the stand first. Someone put 245 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: it like this, only four people know exactly what happened 246 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: in that bedroom. Two of them are dead, one of 247 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: them is on trial for his life, and the other 248 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: is expected to testify. That's how important this testimony is today. 249 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: So the last two, the two that are alive, we 250 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: have no reason to believe them. Like, as a juror, 251 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: am I gonna believe Hi'm me trying to save his ass? 252 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe her he's trying to save hers. So 253 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: what is the actual evidence show? We always do this 254 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: in these trials, Rod, would you put yourself in the 255 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: position of the juror and looking at this, My question 256 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: is that what is the evidence? Because I don't believe anybody. 257 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 3: Right, because you can say whatever you want to say 258 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 3: to conveniently fit your theory. That saves your butt the most. Now, 259 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: there is another twist in this case that we teased 260 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: before we went to break. So in a hearing over 261 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: the summer, a Fairfax County detective who is. 262 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 4: Trained in digital forensics. 263 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: He testified that is he analyzed all of the digital 264 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: data in this in terms of that fetish site website 265 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: that the prosecution claims, and that the O pair says 266 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 3: they went on and created in Christine's name on her 267 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: computer and solicited this man to come over to the home. Well, 268 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: this detective said that it is his professional conclusion that 269 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: it was Christine on the computer, not Brendan and the 270 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: AU pair. Now it's not just this one detective who 271 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: says this. He actually had his team who prepared this 272 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: analyzed by the University of Alabama, so they had it 273 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: peer reviewed and the University of Alabama evidence analysis team 274 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: affirmed the detective's finding. So you have a group of 275 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: people now who say, after looking at the digital footprint 276 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: left behind on Christine's computer, they believe it was Christine 277 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: who solicited this fetish worker. I don't know how to 278 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: describe what that profession is. 279 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh, was it a professional guy who just I thought 280 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: it was just a site for random not anybody. 281 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: Oh, you're right. 282 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: I guess maybe it was just a meet up hook 283 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: up thing. I guess maybe there was no money. 284 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Experience, right, you're right, of course you're thinking, I'm right. 285 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: I'm thinking. 286 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So, yes, this was just a consensual, mutual thing 287 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: where two people agree to meet and play out sexual fantasy. 288 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: So they're claiming it was Christine, not Brendan and the 289 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: old pair. So how does that change? 290 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: It changes everything. 291 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: Everything, because now you can't believe anything the O pair 292 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: has said on the jury. 293 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: If you prove to me, if you tell me that 294 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: she was the one sending and recruiting and having that 295 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: guy come over. 296 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: I mean right, And could you make the jury believe 297 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: or at least plant a seed of reasonable doubt in 298 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: their heads that the O pair was upset that he 299 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: ended an affair with her, or that she was about 300 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: to get fired, or that he was about to maybe 301 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: and so this was her way to get back at him, 302 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: to make the whole plot look. 303 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: Like he did it. But see, she's still. 304 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: Been behind bars and still admitted to shooting Ryan. So 305 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: that's the only thing. Why would she do that. 306 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of wise with a lot of folks 307 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: in this thing. 308 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: But ro would you you brought up what I think 309 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: is key If you want to tell you're going to 310 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: tell me somebody out there whose job it is. This 311 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: is a we know about forensic examination now even know 312 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: about digital forensics these days. You're telling me there's a 313 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: guy who swear and this guy was moved from his position. 314 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: The timing is weird. They say it had nothing to 315 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: do with a disciplinary action or because he wasn't going 316 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: along with the program. But he just happened to get moved, 317 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: not fired. He was moved through a different divisions yeah, 318 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: there it is so that for me, at least as 319 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: a juror, if they allowed, I would raise my hand 320 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: and ask questions, and this would be one of the first. 321 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: But if somebody in a whole group backed him up, that's. 322 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: What you said, Yes, the University of Alabama. 323 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: Now, as SEC folks whould say, ah, it's Alabama trying. 324 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: To weigh in my feelings about Alabama. 325 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Alabama, Georgia, we love you. That's just that's just an 326 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: SEC joke. As rivals, you can't believe anything in al No. No, 327 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: but they have backed it up. 328 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: Yes, then you're gonna have to approve to me that 329 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: these two are responsible for getting that guy to the house, 330 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: because if they're not, that means they did not premeditate 331 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: and plan to murder him and her. 332 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: This is a fascinating case. 333 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: It'll be fascinating to watch the ou pair take the 334 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: stand and yes, how the prosecution overcomes that big problem 335 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: they have in terms of their timeline and their premeditation. 336 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: You make such a good point, so we will be watching. 337 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: We will keep you updated. Again. The trial begins at 338 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 3: ten a m. Eastern time in Virginia. But in the meantime, 339 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: thank you everyone, for listening to us. I'm Amy Robot 340 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: alongside TJ. 341 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 4: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.