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Speaker 1: Welcome to future future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, we are talking about animals

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Speaker 1: who explode. That's right, our very own Creatureheimer, in honor

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Speaker 1: of the Oppenheimer movie. Of course, last week we did

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Speaker 1: a Barbie episode about pink animals. This week we're doing

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Speaker 1: an episode about animals who explode, from tiny explosions to

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Speaker 1: an actual World War two story. All these animals are

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Speaker 1: blowing up literally in credible discover this and more as

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Speaker 1: we discover the age old question what's the pond of death?

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is my friend friend of the show, writer,

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Speaker 1: director and podcaster Adam Ganzer.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome. I love the even nature bows to the zeitgeist. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: animals must be trend.

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Speaker 1: Animals gotta be on trend. They gotta know they do

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Speaker 1: what's trending on the socials, on threads, Blue Sky, whatever

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Speaker 1: that other website is. You know what we're calling whatever

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Speaker 1: we're calling the Internet these days, But yes we are.

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Speaker 1: We're we're doing a We're doing a Barbenheimer of course.

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Speaker 1: This week is the Heimer part of the Barbenheimer, because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about exploding animals, Adam, how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about explosions?

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Speaker 2: About explosions? I was raised in America, and therefore I

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Speaker 2: instinctively pump my fists anytime I see it, right, even

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Speaker 2: when it's a truly tragic situation, and I.

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Speaker 1: Still Adam Ganzer actually kind of likes war crimes. He's

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I've been socialized this way.

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Speaker 1: Nothing as much, right, Nothing you can't there's nothing you

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Speaker 1: can do about it. We have fireworks, we have fireworks.

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Speaker 1: We cheer for fireworks. How are we not supposed to

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Speaker 1: cheer for war crimes?

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Speaker 2: Right? Right? Our song, our national anthem, is literally about.

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Speaker 1: Exploding bombs bursting in. Yeah, we're helpless, and we're helpless

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Speaker 1: in the face of jingoism, truly. So some animals do

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Speaker 1: indeed explode, and we're going to talk about some many

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Speaker 1: explosions that are very interesting, very weird, little gross, uh,

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Speaker 1: somewhat tragic, maybe so.

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Speaker 2: Great, maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So some ants like to pull a bit of an Oppenheimer,

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Speaker 1: which is a new sentence in the English language. So

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Speaker 1: ants like to use themselves as tiny chemical warfare bombs.

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Speaker 1: So there are a couple of species of ants that

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Speaker 1: do this are C. Sounder sea and see explodins, which

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Speaker 1: you know, good job of the scientific name for that one.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, right to the point direct.

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Speaker 1: These are two related species of exploding ants. They are

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Speaker 1: found in Southeast Asia and they quite literally have an

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Speaker 1: explosive temper. They will rupture their own abdomen, releasing a

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Speaker 1: small explosion of sticky, yellow toxic fluid when they are disturbed.

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Speaker 1: So yes, they do not the explosion this kills the ant.

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Speaker 1: The ants does not survive rupturing its own abdomen. It's

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Speaker 1: much like a bee where it stings and its butt

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Speaker 1: kind of falls off. It is the ultimate defensive technique.

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Speaker 1: So they have glands that run through their entire body

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Speaker 1: that is stilled with this horrible yellow goo. When they

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Speaker 1: basically causes them to burst like a little gusher and

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Speaker 2: Target like a like a delicious dangerous tree.

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Speaker 1: Yes, next time you, yeah, next time you pop a

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Speaker 2: That it's dying to defend its colony whilst you enjoy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, except don't eat these. I advise against it, right

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Speaker 1: because yeah, it's not it's not delicious, uh gushery goodness.

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Speaker 1: It is toxic and corrosive.

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Speaker 2: I I'm well, I mean, can I ask a couple?

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Speaker 2: I have Yeah, questions the way what what? What? What

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Speaker 2: what are they deterring?

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Speaker 1: So they're mostly deterring other ants. So if ants are

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Speaker 2: Right, they like and they'll they'll develop a taste.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just watch it's gushers to birds.

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Speaker 2: They exactly have you have they tried diplomacy in their

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Speaker 2: They tried?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like they've evolved tiny hands to shake with

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that it's two other ants. Yeah, that's my

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Speaker 1: It's other. It can be other species of ants, other

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Speaker 2: And is it corrosive to them? Like if they touch

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Speaker 2: the goo, are they corroded? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like is it toxic? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is it bright yellow?

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Speaker 2: Is it yellow the way I'm imagining it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like these colors sometimes, you know, like

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Speaker 1: the toxic colors. It's like, yes, that is indeed toxic.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like I mean, I guess this is

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Speaker 2: That's exactly it, wohooing his way into disaster exactly. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's funny to me that it's in Nickelodeon colors. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I shouldn't say funny, more like, uh, twisted,

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Speaker 2: Like there's a twisted aspect that it looks cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of yellow, little yellow goop, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not like a little like mushroom cloud explosion type thing.

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Speaker 1: You just kind of see an ant wrestling with another

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Speaker 1: that's been snapped in half. Yeah. So this act of

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Speaker 1: So it's not just ants that do this. There are

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Speaker 1: actually some species of termites who also do this behavior. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: soldier termites in the species glossothermes Oculatis will within the

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Speaker 1: they excrete a yellow goo onto their attacker, which researchers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their kids. I mean, like it's just like

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Speaker 2: what a prank to pull on your kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's off your head just pops off. I mean,

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Speaker 2: That we accept it as a substitute. It's a next substitute.

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Speaker 1: basically like you've popped your own head off like a

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Speaker 2: The sweet smell of terror. Yeah, we better go the

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Speaker 2: other way, so do I. So I got to assume

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Speaker 2: got it right. That that makes sense, doesn't it? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: No? Not necessarily the the uh they are just kind

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Speaker 1: of the way that they're beheading themselves is by contracting

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Speaker 2: So it's sort of a like it's a reflexive thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So it's like like literally kind of like

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is the most funny image I can imagine. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I think, like I I've been thinking about it the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the go I mean, the head I don't think

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Speaker 1: this rupture, and it just kind of like like I

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Speaker 2: A movie slit throat like where it just like its

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Speaker 2: sprays everything.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, except this goo is also yellow apparently,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting. I guess yellow is just universal goo color.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the color of poison.

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Speaker 1: Insects, color of bad goo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I So termites are basically already corrosive beings,

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Speaker 2: like if I like, just that's how I feel about scientifically,

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Speaker 2: they will destroy everything, Like if they get in your house,

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Speaker 2: they're already basically a tub of yellow goo in your walls,

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Speaker 2: So it's wild to me that some species like, no,

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Speaker 2: we can do better. We could, We could, We could

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Speaker 1: We could be even more irritating by us squeezing goo

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Speaker 1: out of our necks like a tube of tooth exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's toothpaste, tube of doom. We can be there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you are worried about termites, uh, if

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Speaker 1: it keeps like reforming you got you got termites. It's

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Speaker 1: called it's called frasts, which is a cute name for

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Speaker 1: an incredibly destructive and horrible problem.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's also a cute way for them to

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Speaker 2: murder themselves with toxic good. They're sort of cute with

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Speaker 2: their benevolent or malicious activities.

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Speaker 1: With their self annihilation. It's it is, yeah, the PEZ technique.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, good job, termites.

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Speaker 2: I guess can you imagine what if the guy who

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Speaker 2: I could do right? Candy?

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Speaker 1: What if it was shaped like Donald Duck and did

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Speaker 2: What if it had Goofy's head on it and it's

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Speaker 2: still the head still popped off, but out of its

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Speaker 2: neck came pellets of candy. Kids would love that.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's taking just let me let me taste

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Speaker 1: It's that scene from Shrek that kids are re enacting,

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Speaker 1: A Minto's truck and a Coke truck both crashed near

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Speaker 1: It's like the crow equivalent of getting one thing out

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Speaker 1: They learn well, they did learn something that it's really

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Speaker 1: mean it is a little horrifying. It's a little bit

435
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: so it's kind of funny. It's a little bit.

436
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: I promise tragic, it's kind of funny.

437
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's one of I would say. I mean,

438
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: World War two is generally not a funny topic hot take. Generally,

439
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: generally it's not funny. Generally it's horrifying. This is one

440
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: of the funnier World War two stories. So unless unless

441
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: you're a big fan of Rats, which personally I actually am.

442
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: So I feel conflicted about this story because it's funny,

443
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: but I feel really bad for the Rats.

444
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: But it's not like Hogan's hero is funny. No, it's

445
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: it's more of a grounded humor.

446
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: It's it's more of a gallows humor.

447
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of yeah, I'm excited, not a.

448
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: Haha funny, it's a oh all right, all right.

449
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: Laughter, laughter, heels, I'll wove.

450
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, take a take a stiff sip of brandy and

451
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: sort of exhale sharply out of your nose funny. So yeah,

452
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: to cap off our Creature Heimer episode, let's talk about

453
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: World War Two. So arguably, just as consequential as Oppenheimer's

454
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: work on the nuclear bomb was the effort to create

455
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: another type of super weapon, the explosive rat. Of course,

456
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm joking, it was not nearly as consequential as the

457
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb, because we aren't, you know, currently sort of

458
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: in a world dominated by mutually assured rat destruction.

459
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: That we know of, that we know of that, we

460
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: know that.

461
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 1: But maybe it's the rats pulling all the strings.

462
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Dude, honestly knowing what I know about crows. Now, No,

463
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: rats are just as smart as crows. Yeah, they're just

464
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: they're just flightless crows.

465
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: Really pretty much there. Yeah, rats are quite smart, which

466
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: makes this a little sadder. Uh So, during World War Two,

467
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: British special operations got their hands on a bunch of rats. Okay, okay,

468
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: it's so far. Good job, guys.

469
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the idea of the transaction to get that, right,

470
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: but fair enough.

471
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just like Jerio, I will need five hundred

472
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: rats if you please, right, for a country.

473
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Some government officials like you know, sequestering it or whatever,

474
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: for some guy in a back alley. Yeah, I'll need

475
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: all your rats.

476
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep calm and give me five hundred.

477
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Routs and give me rats, and give.

478
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: Me rats all of your ruts. So sadly they killed

479
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: the rats. Rest in peace, uh, little dudes, gone before

480
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: your time. An unjust and unjust and to these poor

481
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: little rats. Then they taxi dermied them and they sewed

482
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: a small amount of explosives inside of them okay because

483
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: they were Look, you know, while Oppenheimer was working on

484
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: his little nuclear bomb, the British were really getting down

485
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: to the the hot the higher sciences, the more esoteric

486
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: sciences of what if we sowed some explosives inside of

487
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: dead rats?

488
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: Yeah? What if we jokered some rats? Yeah? What if

489
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: we joker bombed a couple of rats?

490
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Right?

491
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: Sure?

492
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, right right? Yeah? What if it's like that scene

493
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: and breaking bad with that guy's head on a tortoise,

494
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: except its rats and there accept it and there's no message,

495
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: it's just rats.

496
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

497
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: So you might be wondering why you would put explosives

498
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: inside a rat, how you would use a rat bomb. Well,

499
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: the idea was this, Uh, if these rats were planted

500
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: in factories, trains, or power stations, they would presumably be

501
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: disposed of by the German by being shoveled into the

502
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: boiler or furnace. Because it's like you find a dead rat,

503
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: You're not gonna give it a little rat burial, You're

504
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: just gonna throw it in the furnace, burn it, and

505
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: that would cause an explosion and sabotage the boiler. And

506
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: if the boiler fails, that might cause a larger explosion.

507
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: So it's like, maybe it's real.

508
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: This, this is a this is a this is kind

509
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: of a Rube Goldberg device of a plan. Here.

510
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit like that game mouse Trap,

511
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: except it's it's a German trap, but the bait is

512
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: dead rats.

513
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 2: And all of them are mice. Everything they have to

514
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: do is mice similar to get the trap to go off.

515
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Yeah, not sure about this plan.

516
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a bit of a stretch, right,

517
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a bit of a weird plan, Like,

518
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: how do you know they're gonna throw it in the furnace?

519
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: How do you know? Like it's the explosion is going

520
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: to be big enough to actually sabotage the whole factory

521
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: or train. Well, we'll never know how successful they might

522
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: have been because the Germans intercepted the shipment of exploding

523
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: rats right away.

524
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: Ah, so that is another amazing twist in the story.

525
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: And they're like, we could use these rats.

526
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because the rats sacrifice was not completely

527
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: in vain. Apparently the threat of exploding rats was potentially

528
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: more effective at inconveniencing the Germans than if the rats

529
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: had actually been successfully deployed, because German military command became

530
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of paranoid that there were more exploding rats out

531
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: there and had to use their resources to try to

532
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: find the other exploding rats and get to the bottom

533
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: of these exploding rats.

534
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

535
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to them, as soon as this first shipment of

536
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: rats was intercepted, British Special Operations just gave They just

537
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: dropped it.

538
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: They're like, fuck, maybe the rat. Maybe this whole thing's

539
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: been bad.

540
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Maybe, now that I reflect upon things, maybe explosive rats

541
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: was not the genius idea that'll win this war. They

542
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: just dropped.

543
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps trip wires would be more effective, or just

544
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: putting bombs there already.

545
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Perhaps pigeons with spikes.

546
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, let's get a really big bomb and

547
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: drop that on them instead.

548
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: What about a really really large rat with a bomb

549
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: inside of it.

550
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Now you're talking Humphrey exploding. They started sewing rats together

551
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: to make a super rat.

552
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Rat parachute, parachute made out of rats rat aeroplane. So, yeah,

553
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: they gave up. But so there were no more exploding rats.

554
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: But the Germans wasted a bunch of resources trying to

555
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: find more exploding rats, trying to figure out what the

556
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: whole plan is with the exploding rats. Certainly it couldn't

557
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: be as simple as them just sending the shipment of

558
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: exploding rats. So they wasted a bunch of time trying

559
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: to like basically go on this red this, this red herring,

560
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: this like trying to figure out what was going on

561
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: with the exploding rats when really it was as stupid

562
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: as it seemed and unsuccessful as it seemed. But the

563
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Germans were like, they must be up to something really

564
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: insidious with these exploding rats, and we've got to figure

565
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: that out. They waste all the time.

566
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Is this is extraordinarily funny. I know, if you understood

567
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: how funny this is. Like I'm like, in my brain,

568
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is such a great comedy movie. Like

569
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: just one guy's obsessed with I can make bombs and rats,

570
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: and everyone's like a bad idea, dude, super bad idea.

571
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: He's like, just give me a battalion of guys a

572
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: couple million pounds, you'll see, right. Fails immediately. But then

573
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: of course the Germans get very worried and they start

574
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: to you know, mutually assured rat destruction. As you said,

575
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: he writes itself. It's a perfect movie.

576
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: This is I don't understand why very funny, why Quentin

577
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: Tarantino didn't make this movie.

578
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: Right after his final film, this tenth film about a

579
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: movie critic. How about rat bombs? Right, you know, rat bomber.

580
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: Let's make that.

581
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: I know that basically all of Hollywood is on strike,

582
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna be I'm not going to be

583
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: a scab. But what like, Look, you need to cave

584
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: to the requests of the writers because we need this

585
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: rat movie. We need it.

586
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: We have rat bombers, we need it. We need it.

587
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: It would heal the world, it would.

588
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: So please give the writers and the actors fair living

589
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: wages because I need the exploding rat movie.

590
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: That's right, And play this on a loop during the

591
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: Academy Awards conversation right where we talked about it.

592
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, do that. Maybe, oh, exploding rats

593
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: in the Awards but they're not real. But okay, okay, okay,

594
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: back up, they're not really exploding rats because of course

595
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: we don't want to hurt anyone, but just the idea

596
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that there could be exploding rats might make it might

597
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: make it less likely for someone to cross the picket line.

598
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you never know when a rat might explode.

599
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: That's right, that's the that's the feeling we want movie

600
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: audiences to have. Yeah, every rat as your enemy.

601
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you know that was in that movie like

602
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: with Matt Damon and uh Leonardo DiCaprio Departed. Yeah, I

603
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: just remember as the rat movie. But yes, the Departed.

604
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's did you know, by the way, that

605
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: they didn't have the final shot with the rat when

606
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: they first shot that movie. The editor told Scorsese, you

607
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: need you need this last thing, you need the rat

608
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: at the end, and they shot it in pickups.

609
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: Huh.

610
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: That's what I've heard. I've heard that they.

611
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Just call up this rat actor at three and it's like, yeah,

612
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: what do you need a Yeah, you got a movie?

613
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: You want me to all time? I all right, serving coffee, okay,

614
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I'll come.

615
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Finally it's rats time to shine. Yeah, that's what I heard.

616
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I can't. I wasn't there, so

617
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't don't.

618
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I did. I did laugh, uh involuntarily when that popped up,

619
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: because like I was enthralled by the movie and really

620
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: into it. And then as soon as they zoomed out

621
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: and showed us a rat. I just like it was.

622
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: Come on, I get it, I get it, bro, I

623
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: get the idea.

624
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: But if the rat had exploded.

625
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: Then whole other idea greatest movie all time maybe.

626
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: And then then they could end with like the end

627
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: dot dot dot question mark.

628
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Exactly right, the only, the only appropriate ending.

629
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't know that rats were exactly Well.

630
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: I think we've covered as many exploding animals I can

631
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: take without starting to spiral into an existential crisis about

632
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, rat assured destruction.

633
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to cry for two hours after this podcast, just.

634
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: For every single toad that exploded. Those poor toads. Don't

635
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: care as much about the termites.

636
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: No, I think of them as evil and their death

637
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: as a victory for me.

638
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, though, they used

639
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: to just eat trees, but then we turn the trees

640
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: into houses, So what are they going to do?

641
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: That's true. I'm going to refuse to think about that.

642
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: No introspection, think you Well, before we go, we've got

643
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: to play a little game, Adam, do you like games?

644
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: Sure? And then a rat opens like.

645
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: Would you like to play a little game?

646
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to.

647
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: You just open a present. There's a rat inside, and

648
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: inside the rat there's a smaller present, and inside that

649
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: present there's a bomb. Yep, So we are going to

650
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: play a game called Guess Who's squawking? The Mystery Animal

651
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Sound game?

652
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Every week I play Mystery Animal sound and you the listener,

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Speaker 1: and you the guests, try to guess who was making

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Speaker 1: that sound? Can he any animal in the world. Last

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Speaker 1: week's mystery animal sound hint was this don't get too cocky.

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Speaker 1: You may have to think further back to get this

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Speaker 1: one right. So adam any guesses.

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Speaker 2: So, just to be clear, the hint was for this animal.

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Speaker 1: Yes, don't get too cocky. You may have to think

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Speaker 1: further back to get this one right.

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Speaker 2: Because I mean, it sounds like a rooster. But it's

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Speaker 2: not that. It's some you say, further bat to get

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Speaker 2: this one right.

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Speaker 1: Further back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not.

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Speaker 1: The common phrase further bat.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was. What is this a Batman riddle?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What exactly?

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Speaker 1: And tower me this what became before the chicken and

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Speaker 1: the egg? Ah, that would have been a better hint.

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Speaker 1: What became before the chicken and the egg?

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Speaker 2: That Batman Mmm, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that

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Speaker 2: that you mean further back, like on the evolutionary scale,

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Speaker 2: and say this is this is some kind of lizard,

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Speaker 2: kind of That's what I'm gonna guess. Everything else in

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Speaker 2: me is saying, no, Adam, no chance it's a lizard.

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go ahead and I'm trusting your hint

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Speaker 2: on this one.

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Speaker 1: Some kind of lizard.

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Speaker 2: No, you're wrong, No, it's so wrong.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to Jack M, Joey P. And Grant W for

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Speaker 1: all guessing correctly. There red jungle fowl. So, the red

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Speaker 1: jungle fowl is a tropical species of bird that lives

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Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia. When you look at one, it might

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Speaker 1: seem kind of familiar. It looks very similar to a rooster.

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Speaker 1: It is smaller and more brightly colored than a rooster

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Speaker 1: or a chicken. But around eight thousand years ago the

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Speaker 1: jungle fowl was domesticated and it's spread across the world,

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Speaker 1: and it's speciated into chickens and roosters, the ones that

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Speaker 1: we know as are lovely farm animals.

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Speaker 2: So I was right about it being an ancestor, yes,

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Speaker 2: but wrong about how far back to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, if you had guessed dinosaur instead of lizard, you'd

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Speaker 1: technically be correct because birds are still birds are still

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Speaker 1: technically dinosaurs. So if you're like, maybe it's a dinosaur,

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Speaker 1: I would have had to give it to you.

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Speaker 2: Which is which would have been even sillier for me

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Speaker 2: to say, because how would you have a recording of

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Speaker 2: a dinosaur? But okay, sure sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh sadly, Adam, you were wrong, So this pile of

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Speaker 1: dead rats shall not be going home with you.

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Speaker 2: You must now pick which rat is the one you

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Speaker 2: must open. Yeah, we have lots of rat jokes today.

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Speaker 1: Well we're really we're really leaning into the rat jokes. Well,

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Speaker 1: onto this week's mystery animal. Sound the hint. She may

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Speaker 1: seem to have a tough exterior, but Betsy here doesn't

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Speaker 1: like to be bothered.

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Speaker 2: Sh sh hear that. Yeah, yeah, any guesses should have

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Speaker 2: a tough exterior, but Betsy here doesn't like See father,

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Speaker 2: and I thought I was gonna get a cow.

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Speaker 1: Quol or something.

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Speaker 2: Uh, pounce up the bird. Uh, I'm gonna guess it's

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Speaker 2: uh some kind of like it's it's related to an ostrich.

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Speaker 1: Interesting related to an ostrich some kind of rath type bird.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. I can't say,

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Speaker 1: because we will reveal the answer on next week's episode

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Speaker 1: of Creature Feature. If you think you know the answer

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Speaker 1: to this week's mystery animial sound, you can write to

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Speaker 1: me at Creature Future product gmail dot com. And hey,

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Speaker 1: if you have any other questions or comments or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you can also email me. I won't be mad. Uh

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Speaker 1: and Adam, Where can people find you?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I'm definitely gonna stay on X Where do

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Speaker 2: you find Uh? You can find me on X X

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Speaker 2: way yeah, uh at the real game. I'm also on

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Speaker 2: every other social media site, including Hive still somehow at

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Speaker 2: the real gans and you know, you can find my

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Speaker 2: Twitch channel saying. And my podcasts are mostly on a

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Speaker 2: Patreon called small Beams, where I do talks about directing

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Speaker 2: and about lots of other movie related stuff, video games,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. Come check me out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out small beans and every single like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's twenty social media's now that we've

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Speaker 1: all got to be on simultaneously. And somehow I.

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Speaker 2: Do check I check Blue Sky. I'm still checking threads.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. We'll see about threads

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Speaker 2: I'm just and hive is just funny.

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Speaker 1: To me at this one. I'm so tired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's not good, None of it's good. It's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I need I need like an army of exploding

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Speaker 1: toads to manage all these social media accounts. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how they'll do it.

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Speaker 2: But I need a crow to selectively rip out X's liver. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: final explodes, and we can just.

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Speaker 1: Tell the crows they're delicious livers inside of our keyboards,

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Speaker 1: and then they can post on all these websites exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. If you're enjoying

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Speaker 1: the show and you leave a rating and review, I

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