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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show, Big Dan, Dan, the Man,

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Speaker 1: whatever nickname you want to attach to Dan Arnold. He's

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Speaker 1: played well in the past two weeks. Just how much

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Speaker 1: of a factor is he in the offense? And what

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Speaker 1: is the trickle down? We know the offense took a

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Speaker 1: step forward on Sunday, It can take an even larger

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Speaker 1: step if touchdowns not fuel goals are scored in the

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Speaker 1: red zone. Plus at seven and six, what does the

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Speaker 1: playoff picture look like for the Cardinals. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode three seventy one, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig griga Lu and Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right,

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Speaker 1: throws near site of fens pot penis into the end

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Speaker 1: zone for the touch. Now here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jareckie. Well.

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Speaker 1: No one offensive player not named Kyler Murray or DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins was talked about more this offseason than Dan Arnold.

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Speaker 1: If you heard all of the talk, listen to everything.

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Speaker 1: You would have thought this man was going to be

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Speaker 1: maybe not the leading receiver, but certainly up there. And

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Speaker 1: it has taken a little while, but I think over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, MJ, we are starting to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals tied end, because he is a little bit

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Speaker 1: different than your typical tight end as far as blocking ability,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy that's still learning in the position.

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Speaker 1: He looks like a wide receiver playing tight end, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at it, and you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: they weren't able to work out at the facility because

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Speaker 1: of COVID. But he's got to get a stronger and

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll get better as a blocker. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a weapon, and you know you're starting to hear

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Speaker 1: the story now. We told you the story. When it happened.

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Speaker 1: Dan Arnold was on the practice squad or he maybe

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Speaker 1: looks like like Lurch out there, and so I never

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Speaker 1: do this, but I asked Larry Fitzgerald in a text,

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Speaker 1: I said, who's this new guy? And he said he

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Speaker 1: was killing it on the scout team today. I'm like, okay.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, two weeks later,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he flashed a little bit, and I

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Speaker 1: what's his number? Gonna be? Thirty five catches? But you

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Speaker 1: could see when this team wants to run a twelve personnel,

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Speaker 1: you got your Meeting Potatoes and Max Williams, and then

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Speaker 1: you got Arnold. When this team goes four or five wide,

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Speaker 1: you can bring them out here. He's a mismatch when

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Speaker 1: to be like Travis Kelcey and George Kittle, and those

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about the opposing tight ends this year, Craig.

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Speaker 1: And that happened very early on at the end of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Looking back at Sunday's contest, the one

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Speaker 1: typically you know, yeah you see here, you hear twelfth

431
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: defender or thirteenth because everything closes in and you have

432
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: to be a lot more efficient or better in their execution.

433
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: And I think that was the case on Sunday as

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Speaker 1: far as the execution, not the play calling. I didn't

435
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Speaker 1: have any problems as far as what plays were called

436
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: in just the lack of execution inside the twenty yard line. Yeah,

437
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: you know, fans don't want to hear it because you know,

438
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: you lose a game, they want to fire everyone. And

439
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: I get it. You watch the game for three hours

440
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 1: and you're frustrating, you're disappointed, you know, trust me. Inside

441
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: the organization, it's tenfold because this is their livelihood. But

442
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: it's it's just that, you know, if there's one thing

443
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: this year, they've just been inconsistent. Now again, if they

444
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Speaker 1: get to the postseason, nobody's going to remember where. You know,

445
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: we'll talk about as we recap the season. But if

446
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Speaker 1: you can just kind of get on a roll right

447
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: here and the whole idea is just to get into

448
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: the dance. We got this. You know, there's really no

449
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: home field advantages year unless you go to a cold city.

450
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: So I want to see this team continue to roll

451
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Speaker 1: with the defense and put pressure on the quarterback. But

452
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Speaker 1: I do think if this offense can just kind of

453
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Speaker 1: catch fire a little bit, it's gonna go a long

454
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Speaker 1: way if they went, if they make the postseason. Well

455
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Speaker 1: to your point about rolling with the defense. Four times,

456
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: the defense helped set up the Cardinals as far as

457
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Speaker 1: putting the ball into the New York side of the field.

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Speaker 1: And only one of those drives did the Cardinals punch

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Speaker 1: it in get into the end zone, and that was

460
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Speaker 1: the Dan Arnold touchdown catch of seven yards to make

461
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Speaker 1: it thirteen. Nothing otherwise those other three drives, two field

462
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Speaker 1: goals and then the turnover on downs and then goes

463
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Speaker 1: back to that first drive at the ball game, which

464
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Speaker 1: you had at first and goal at the nine and

465
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Speaker 1: you can't score. Those are the drives. Those are the

466
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Speaker 1: possessions where all of a sudden, it very easily could

467
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Speaker 1: frustrate you set the tone for the rest of the game.

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Speaker 1: Granted the Cardinals were playing the Giants, maybe a better team.

469
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Speaker 1: You've got to be able to come away with points.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not faulting the decision to go forward on

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Speaker 1: it down It was the perfect decision. You have to

472
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Speaker 1: be able to get that one yard, that half yard,

473
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Speaker 1: so you're getting six points as opposed to no points. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: and they've been stopped a few times, and we know

475
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's aggressive, but that's down in distance. You've got to

476
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Speaker 1: score there. I mean, you know the lineman and they

477
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: know this. I'm not repeating anything they don't know. I mean,

478
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: you gotta get six inches, you gotta get a yard.

479
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the NFL. I know they get paid.

480
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: But he just got to line up and beat the

481
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: guy in front of you. And people don't want to

482
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Speaker 1: hear about execution, play calling his execution. If all eleven

483
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Speaker 1: people are doing their job, the play works. If he

484
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Speaker 1: got one guy goes the wrong way, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: And then we question a play call play calling equals execution. Well,

486
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Speaker 1: how about the execution Kenyan Drake his one yard touchdown

487
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Speaker 1: run that made a twenty to nothing, jumping over the pile,

488
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: extending his arms, getting that football across the invisible line.

489
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: You used to see that a lot, because it almost

490
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Speaker 1: became a thing like which running back could have the

491
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Speaker 1: highest jump over the line of scrimmage you whether you

492
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Speaker 1: took off from the three yard line or the four

493
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Speaker 1: yard line. That was always one of the bigger highlights

494
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: back in the day, and very rarely do you see

495
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: it now because I think a lot of it is

496
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: you're just trying to run between the tackles or find

497
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Speaker 1: the hole. But for Kenney Drake, at least in that moment,

498
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: he thought the best bet was to go over the tip.

499
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: The only thing you gotta watch. They punched the ball out, yes,

500
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Speaker 1: and he's put the ball in the carpet twice last game,

501
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen the injury part doesn't come out

502
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Speaker 1: to Wednesday, but I noticed in the game he was

503
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: holding his hands, So I don't know, no excuse share

504
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Speaker 1: out there, especially when you're protecting the lead. Two hands

505
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: on the rock, Okay, But yeah, I mean it's the

506
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Speaker 1: fact that they ran the ball forty three times is impressive.

507
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: You keep going back to that number, and I get

508
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Speaker 1: and it should be because it was balanced at first.

509
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: It was fifteen runs and sixteen passes. But that I

510
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: always tell you about the hey Day and the Steelers.

511
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Speaker 1: You run when you get a lead like that, You

512
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Speaker 1: can run the football in the fourth quarter. And it's

513
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: funny because teams know you're gonna run. If you pick

514
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Speaker 1: up a couple of first downs, then you get the

515
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Speaker 1: kneel down. So that's the recipe for success. Run the football,

516
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: control the line of scrimmage, and then a play. It

517
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: opens up the passing game in the play action. But

518
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: they need other receivers to step up so they can

519
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: pick up these third downs. But that's another thing. You know,

520
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: third down wasn't an issue. They weren't behind the sticks.

521
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Speaker 1: Only four penalties for twenty two yards, and as you

522
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Speaker 1: pointed on the red seat report two on the offense,

523
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: that is major improvement, small sample, but only four penalties total.

524
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Speaker 1: If they can cut that down in a negative place,

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Speaker 1: the offense can be more a little bit more explosive

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Speaker 1: down the stretch. Well, those two offensive penalties both came

527
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Speaker 1: inside the red zone. The Kelvin Beecham false start and

528
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're backed up. It's first and

529
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Speaker 1: fifteen and installed momentum, and then they had twelve men

530
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Speaker 1: in the huddle, which is inexcusable to me because you

531
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: have to be able to count. And how many times

532
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Speaker 1: do you see the quarterback when someone comes running from

533
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Speaker 1: the sideline they take a step back and then they

534
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: take a step back in as far as making sure

535
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you counts and Kyler Murray too many times is either

536
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: not paid attention to the play clock or how many

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Speaker 1: men are in the huddle that falls on the quarterback.

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00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: He has to take more responsibility as far as this

539
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: is my offense and I need to make sure that

540
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: my eyes are where they need to be. He needs

541
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Speaker 1: to be able to look, you know, like when you're driving,

542
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: you pay attention to the front, you look at your

543
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: rearview mirror, the side mirror. Kyle Murray needs to start

544
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: doing that more. Yeah, and you hate to see teams

545
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: burn time outs because they don't want to take a

546
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: delay a game penalty. There's no excuse coming on the

547
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: field and having to take a delay a game penalty.

548
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: You should have your personnel ready. Now. I know Kingsbury

549
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: was hot on the sidelines. Looked like he was talking

550
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Speaker 1: to one of the assistants and I don't know that

551
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: miniment misconfusion, but when you're bringing in different personnel, Craig

552
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: Guy's got to know, I mean eleven personnel, twelve personnel,

553
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: ten personnel, But you could say it shouldn't be happening

554
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: at this point in the year. I mean, the Ravens

555
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: had fifteen players at fifteen guys on defense on the

556
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Speaker 1: field last night. Referees didn't even see that initially. You know,

557
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: they had the telestrator and the telestratel and goes to

558
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: fourteen players. They had to draw one and a five there.

559
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Speaker 1: But you think it wouldn't happen this year. But when

560
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: you're mixing in a matching and you know, maybe they

561
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: don't do it so much with their tempo offense, and

562
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: then obviously the defense can substitute if you're substituting, So

563
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Speaker 1: it shouldn't be happening at this time of the year.

564
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Speaker 1: But I don't like the delay a game where you

565
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: got to burn a timeout because those timeouts are going

566
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Speaker 1: to be valuable and in the last two minutes of

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Speaker 1: the half or the last four minutes of the game.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the updated NFC playoff picture and

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Speaker 1: how things look in the NFC West, want to remind

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Speaker 1: everyone that Pro Bowl voting continues. It runs through December seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: so that is later this week. Go to NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Pro Bowl Vote Bird Gang. You have done

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Speaker 1: a very good job so far. At last check, DeAndre Hopkins,

574
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker leading their respective position groups. You had five

575
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Speaker 1: other players in the top ten at their respective positions,

576
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Speaker 1: including two offensive lineman, center Mason Cole and tackle Kelvin Beecham.

577
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Speaker 1: I would like to see DJ Humphreys's name amongst the

578
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Speaker 1: top goals as far as Pro Bowl voting is concerned, maybe,

579
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: if not fan voting, coaches piers because he has certainly

580
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: played like a Pro Bowler and maybe even entering that

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: all Pro discussion based off what he's done at left tackle. Yeah,

582
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: and you know, when they initially signed him, he is

583
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Speaker 1: kind of in the top five for left tackles. I

584
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: think he's ninth right now. And when you look at it,

585
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he wanted to be here. They wanted

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00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: to retain him, didn't want him to test free agency.

587
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: And to me, he's staying healthy and he's become a

588
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: much better player under Sean Coogler. He continues to dominate.

589
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: He earned an eighty three point six against the Giants.

590
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: The grades are both passed and run protection, he's fifth

591
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: best Pro Football Focus grade eighty eight point four. He's

592
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: played nine hundred and twenty six six snaps. You can

593
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: go to ac Cardinals dot com. Kyle Odegard has a

594
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: story on there, and then you just look at you know,

595
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the age factor. So yeah, I mean, I think he's

596
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Speaker 1: a worthy Now. All Pro is just it's the league.

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Speaker 1: And I do give the Cardinal fans a lot of

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00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: credit because a lot of times they're like, oh, this guy,

599
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: should you know, we'll vote, that's the idea, and they've

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00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: done a really good job this year. So I give

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00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Cardinal fans credit for voting because I do think, you know,

602
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: this team got off to a good start and they

603
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: were worthy of being in the in the Pro Bowl.

604
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: But Pro Bowl is conferences, and even though it's gonna

605
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: be a virtual um, I think he's earned it, and

606
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: just I've mentioned in the past, they're not going to

607
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: get it to the credit they deserve. We know from

608
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Speaker 1: a unit, they're one of the best blocking and run blocking,

609
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: uh you know line in football, they're right up there

610
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: are twenty touchdowns over averaginal close to five yards of carry.

611
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Until you get somebody in the Pro Bowl or the

612
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: All Pro the unit won't get the credit. So it's

613
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: time for that to happen. And it wouldn't surprise me

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: if Calvin Beecham get some some votes. Now sixty six

615
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: percent is from coaches and players, peers, coaches, so and

616
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Speaker 1: sometimes it's a popularity test. And I know how if

617
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: he's mentioned that earlier today, but he's earned the right

618
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: to be a Pro Bowl player in my opinion this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's what Humphrey's had to say about the Pro Bowl vote. Unquote,

620
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Speaker 1: I talked junk every year I didn't make the Pro

621
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: Bowl about it being a popularity vote, but I definitely

622
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: want to be one of the popular kids. And quote

623
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Speaker 1: and you sometimes have said as far as sometimes it's

624
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Speaker 1: the following season, Yes, it's the next year you get rewarded.

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Speaker 1: That's just how things are. Unless you're on television national

626
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Speaker 1: television a year, Yeah, and you're one of the bigger

627
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Speaker 1: markets and always being talked about during the week. That's

628
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: when you can become a rookie that makes a Pro

629
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Speaker 1: Bowl or consistently in But sometimes it's the following year

630
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and then usually you make a Pro Bowl a year after,

631
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: in which you shouldn't because it's more of based off

632
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: reputation and sometimes guys give grandfathered in. Now as we're

633
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Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line and Kyler Murray was, I

634
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: mean he was only sack one time, didn't see a

635
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of pressures, didn't see a lot of quarterback hits.

636
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, they did have some negative plays. So I

637
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, and you look at the

638
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: pass protection. Sweezy eighty six, p eighty six, Lamont Gilliard

639
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: seventy nine, Calvin Beach him seventy one. You know, Mason

640
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Cole struggled a little bit. He gave up four pressures

641
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: and allowed thirty six pass blocking snaps. So you know,

642
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: initially I thought this team was a better run blocking team,

643
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Speaker 1: but in this last game, they were better in pass

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Speaker 1: protection and the fact that they were able to run

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Speaker 1: the football forty three times. So that's what you want.

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Speaker 1: You want to have balance on offense, and you also

647
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Speaker 1: want to have balance in pass protection and run blocking.

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Speaker 1: And pay attention this week as far as the guard position,

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Speaker 1: Justin Murray does he start again at right guard in

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Speaker 1: place of j R. Sweezy who is healthy, or because

651
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Speaker 1: Justin pu is dealing with a calf issue, does Murray

652
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Speaker 1: get the starts at left guard. Murray and DJ Humphreys

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Speaker 1: the only two of the five offensive linemen to play

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Speaker 1: every single snap and those were seventy nine an offensive

655
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Speaker 1: plays run on Sunday. But Murray started at right guard,

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Speaker 1: finished at left guard. There might be something there as

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Speaker 1: far as already a changing of the guard. No pun

658
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Speaker 1: intended with respects to looking at next year. Yeah, and

659
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, you know, it was under the radar and

660
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: game a two year extension. Justin Murray came off, you know,

661
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: basically bounced around. He started twelve games, played in fourteen

662
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Speaker 1: last year. And the thing is with Josh Jones and

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Speaker 1: the Wings, you know, he's probably more of a right

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Speaker 1: or left tackle. I mean, he got Humphries for the

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Speaker 1: next four or five years hopefully. So Murray to me

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Speaker 1: is he's he's kind of like the Earl Watford. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know when Earl Watford was a year he can snap,

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Speaker 1: but Murray can play both guard spots. I believe he

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Speaker 1: can pull both tackle spots. I think he's got a

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Speaker 1: better feat for the right side. But when you have

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Speaker 1: that versatility, that's the reason why you know when a

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Speaker 1: guy can do more than just one thing. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: help him and I think Murray will be a starter

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two, presented by Honday, partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, we take a look at not only

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Speaker 1: what happened in the NFC West, but now as we

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Speaker 1: are entering December and things are becoming a little bit

685
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Speaker 1: more clearer with respects to the NFC playoff picture and

686
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Speaker 1: going into week fifteen, MJA the Cardinals they are the

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Speaker 1: seventh seed with their win and the Vikings lost, the

688
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Buccaneers the Cardinals back in the playoff picture, you've got

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Speaker 1: the Packers, Saints, Rams, Washington Seahawks, Buccaneers and Cardinals. Those

690
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Speaker 1: are the seventh playoff teams if the season ended today.

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Speaker 1: Three NFC West teams, with the Cardinals at seven and six,

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Speaker 1: one game better than the Vikings and Bears, who are

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Speaker 1: both at six and seven. Yeah, just win, you know,

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Speaker 1: home game. They can sweep the NFC East this year, correct,

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Speaker 1: they would go four and oh yeah, that's year. This

696
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: is the year you should do it. All the Rams

697
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: did it. They did it very early on. And you

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Speaker 1: know you're talking about earlier about you know some of

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Speaker 1: the Giants numbers. I mean, they do play six games

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Speaker 1: in the NFC East, but hey, you play who's on

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Speaker 1: your schedule, all right, So when you look at the breakdown,

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Speaker 1: if you win this game, it will go a long

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Speaker 1: way because it's a conference game, obviously a home game,

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Speaker 1: but also you know it sets up for your final

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Speaker 1: two games of the season. So, according to Kyle Odegarda

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Speaker 1: on easy Cardinals dot Com, the Vikings and Bears play

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Speaker 1: each other this week, so one of those teams will

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Speaker 1: stay hot on the Cardinals heels, while the other will

709
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Speaker 1: be delta loss. If the Cardinals lose the Eagles, they'll

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Speaker 1: find they'll fall behind the winner of the Vikings Bears

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: matchup and be a tiebreaker. If Tampa loses to the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals will jump to a sixth seed in the

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Speaker 1: NFC with a victory because they would hold a tiebreaker

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Speaker 1: versus the conference record. Yeah, right now, both the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: and Cardinals with five and four conference records, and that

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Speaker 1: would be the tiebreaker if you don't play head to

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Speaker 1: head and then if you have the same conference rerecord,

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Speaker 1: then they go based off a percentage of common opponents.

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Speaker 1: And that's why a week ago the Vikings were ahead

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Speaker 1: of the Cardinals because they had a better record amongst

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Speaker 1: common opponents. But you look at that Bears Vikings game.

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Speaker 1: It's in Minnesota. The Vikings are four and five in

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Speaker 1: the conference, the Bears five and five. You want the

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Speaker 1: Vikings to win, you know, provided okay, one, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: beat the Eagles and you don't have to worry about it.

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Speaker 1: But as far as when you look in their rear

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Speaker 1: view mirror as who's chasing you, Vikings and Bears, you

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Speaker 1: know who scares you the most. The Vikings have the Bears,

729
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Speaker 1: and they've got two road games at New Orleans at Detroit.

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Speaker 1: The Bears, after visiting Minnesota, they'll visit Jacksonville and then

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Speaker 1: host the Packers. Neither one really has a great rest

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Speaker 1: of the schedule as far as an easy path. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Vikings Bears on Sunday, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals root for one team over the other. Wow. It's

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Speaker 1: a good question because, as you mentioned, they're post six

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Speaker 1: and seven right now. Minnesota's four and five in the

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Speaker 1: conference and the Bears are five and five Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: five and four. Wow. I rather see Chicago make a

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Speaker 1: run because I think Minnesota they could be dangerous in

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Speaker 1: the postseason, but they got a situation with Dan Bailey.

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Speaker 1: Just win the game, and I don't I don't have

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Speaker 1: any preference because at this point, I mean, it's just

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00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: more about the Cardinals. I'm gonna we're gonna talk like

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00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: the team. It's more about them. But I think I

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Speaker 1: think Minnesota could be more dangerous if they got to

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Speaker 1: the post season where the Bears. But I just the Bears.

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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: You gotta give Rubisky credit, and the Bears rely on

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Speaker 1: their defense and Matt Naggie's probably trying to save his

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Speaker 1: job there, so maybe he got a more desperate team.

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Speaker 1: But Mike Zimmer is not very happy with Dan Bailey.

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Speaker 1: It is an interesting question now that are you ready

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Speaker 1: for them? I would tend to see this is the

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00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: difficult part because if you want the Vikings to win,

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Speaker 1: then that would improve their conference record to five and

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Speaker 1: five and drop the Bears below five hundred as far

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Speaker 1: as conference record. But then the common opponent factor comes

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Speaker 1: into this, and the Vikings have beaten the Seahawks, they

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Speaker 1: have beaten the Lions. The Cardinals lost to the Seahawks.

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00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: They've also beaten them, but they lost the Seahawks. They

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Speaker 1: lost to the Lions, so lost to the Panthers. That's

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Speaker 1: something that you know right now. Maybe ask me in

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Speaker 1: a week or two, because I think pays. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll root for the Bears right now, because you're right.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why Minnesota was ahead of the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: because I had to had opponents the and beat the

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Speaker 1: Lions and Panthers. Yes, so let's go Bears. All right,

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: let's go back. We just decided live on air. The

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Speaker 1: other three teams, as far as still kind of they're there,

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Speaker 1: but they're really out of focus. The Lines, forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 1: and Giants all at five and eight. Now, the Giants

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00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: can get in because if they top the NFC East,

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00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: they'll jump everyone but the Lines and forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: Potentially maybe they can get hot, they're still alive. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it would take a collapse from the Cardinals, Vikings and

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Speaker 1: Bears for either the Lines or forty nine Ers to

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Speaker 1: get back in. Bottom line, there is still a lot

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00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: of shuffling. There's still can be a lot of things

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Speaker 1: happen at the end of the day, though, Cardinals, in

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00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: control of their own destiny, win and they're in Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we know it's the NFL and there's upsets every week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these next two games on paper are winnable, correct,

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Speaker 1: You've got the Eagles and forty nine Ers at home.

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Speaker 1: It chanced to sweep the forty nine ers. You got

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Speaker 1: swept by the Niners a year ago, but a chance

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Speaker 1: to sweep the forty nine ers and then go into

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Speaker 1: that last game against the Rams in LA looking for

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Speaker 1: a tenth win potentially and based on you know, if

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Speaker 1: if Green Bay is able to lock up the number

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Speaker 1: one seed. Now they have the same record as New Orleans.

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00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: You know, bad loss for New Orleans, but you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they get Drew Brees back. Doesn't sound like it's

792
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: coming back. Maybe this week or next week. But once

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Speaker 1: you lock up the division, teams may rest players in

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Speaker 1: week seventeen and you know, this year it's different because

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Speaker 1: the top seed is the only seeds in each conference

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Speaker 1: I get to buy. And so all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you look at Pittsburgh right now, they're leading the division, Buffalo, Tennessee, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then you got Cleveland, Indianapolis, and Miami. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the team's can afford when if

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Speaker 1: you're a number one seed, you don't play for like

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Speaker 1: two weeks. But there's no way you're gonna put these

802
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: guys out there. And if the Rams lock up the

803
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: division based on seedings, they may get a chance to

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Speaker 1: play Tampa. They may get a chance to play Arizona.

805
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: So and you play the team three times in one season,

806
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: and you know how that can go. And right now

807
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: the Cardinals will play the Rams in weeks. I'm in

808
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: Tea on the road. So I wonder if some of

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Speaker 1: these teams lock up and they got their playoffs seatings. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think home field and manage matters as much

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Speaker 1: as previous years. Even though you got to go to

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Speaker 1: Kansas City or Pittsburgh or Buffalo, and the NFC, you

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Speaker 1: probably got to go to Green Bay, New Orleans or

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles or Seattle, So I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: if teams will rush players in week seventeen, you know,

816
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: curious to see when we get there. Well, the Rams

817
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: might be able to rust players this coming week they

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Speaker 1: host the Jets. Sorry, that was just too easy. The

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Speaker 1: Rams nine and or they lead the division. The Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: who just beat the Jets. In fact, they throttled the Jets.

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Speaker 1: It was three nothing New York and then the Seattle

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Speaker 1: Seahawks scored forty unanswered to win. And they are nine

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Speaker 1: and four as well. The Seahawks play at Washington this week,

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Speaker 1: and then the forty nine ers are on the road

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Speaker 1: at Dallas. One of the note within the NFC West,

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Speaker 1: And we only do this because we like making fun

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Speaker 1: of him, Adrian Wilson, who I guess maybe or maybe

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Speaker 1: not knows that we exist here MJ on Cardinals cover two.

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Speaker 1: But next time you speak to a Dub, let him

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Speaker 1: know that his name has been scratched from the record books.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, the Seahawks defensive back, set the NFL record

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00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: for most sacks in a single season eight and a half.

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00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: A Dub in two thousand and five had eight. So

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Speaker 1: no longer is Adrian Wilson number one, but he is

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Speaker 1: number one in our hearts. Yeah it is right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got a good save. Yeah that's a good save.

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Speaker 1: We love a dub he's on. If you're listening, you're

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Speaker 1: always welcome on the show. I believe he has. He

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Speaker 1: has made an appearance. His voice has made an appearance

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Speaker 1: on Cardinal's cover two. He's grind him, man, he's trying

841
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: to get this team a lot better. What's his uh title? Now?

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00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: What what title? Did they fling on him or tag

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00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: him with? What is he? He's somewhat important? Right? What

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00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: do you mean? He's like he's a Ring of Honor

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Speaker 1: members and you know that's all we need to know.

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00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: And yes, he is a very high up in the

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Speaker 1: front office. Yes, yes, he's director of pro Scout. He's

848
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Speaker 1: a big shot. He's a big shot. In other words,

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Speaker 1: he's a picture you got and you got Q in there,

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00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Quentin Harris. He's the director of a player person on,

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00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: you got Drew Griggson. He's the assistant director of a

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00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: player person on and you Got Dubbed. And there's others

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Speaker 1: that we obviously you know Josh Scolby, but anyways, hopefully

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Speaker 1: that we have a lot of fun with Adrian Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who has a lot of fun with us. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially at my expense. But that's another day. I missed

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Speaker 1: that guy. We all do. On that note, let's put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday. As always, special thanks to our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim Almahundro for Mike Jarecki, I'm Greig Riel lou We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.