WEBVTT - Episode 51 - Ross Copperman 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.880 All right, welcome to episode one the Bobby Cast. Thanks 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.239 for listening on I Heart Radio or iTunes, and thanks 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.960 for our sponsors. When you have the Flowers and Blue Apron. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.159 So without those guys, we would not be able to 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.480 do this. And with us is songwriter Ross compliment, Hey boy, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.920 good to see you. Good to see you. So before 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.599 we kind of get into talk about stuff, I just 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.400 kind of want to run through and let people know 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.840 kind of what we're dealing with here with Ross. So 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.560 I'm gonna play some of Ross's songs here because Ross 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:34.800 is uh world renown songwriter written songs like scene and 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.960 we're gonna get too all day Keith Urban John Dear, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:46.160 how about Glory Georgia Confession, Low Cas, I know somebody 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:52.080 Kenny set in the World on Fire. We Luke Brian 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.160 strip it down. You have a lot. There's mane Hewny 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.360 number ones. Do you have fourteen number one? So there's 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.160 a lot, and we'll get to a lot of these 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.800 as we go. You know, as I start to look 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.120 at these songs here, for example, this one setting the 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:14.120 World on Fire. So I was told the story before 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.880 and I didn't know it was a secret or I 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.280 just couldn't. It just could have came out of my 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.600 mouth because Kenny never told me it was a secret 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.480 when he told me this. So Kenny and I are 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.840 sitting around and he says, hey, you know because setting 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.440 the wall on fire, it was just about it was 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.720 it was just about to be number one. And Kenny 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.600 are sitting next to each other and he goes, hey, 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.920 you know this was never gonna be a single, and 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.560 I was like, really, goes yeah, he goes, Pink got 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.560 pregnant so she had to come off the road. Yeah, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.520 I've never heard that story. Oh you don't know. This 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.680 story is crazy. You wrote this song. You don't know that. Okay, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.120 So I want to tell you this story, and you 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.880 tell me about how the song came together. Okay, okay. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.600 So Kenny and I are sitting here and he goes, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.200 we're playing about to play the song overhead, and he said, hey, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.840 you're never gonna believe this, and Kenny curses a lot. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.960 You know, I believe this, baby, you know, like, what 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.400 is it? And he goes, this was never going to 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.760 be a single. But not because I didn't love the song, 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.000 he said, but because Pink was about to go on 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.240 tour and she wanted to put her own music out 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.320 and she didn't want to have two things at once 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.560 hitting each other. And so because she got pregnant, she 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.840 pulled back, She pulled everything off the radio, and they 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.160 were like, hey, go ahead, and if you want to 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.560 make that a single, make that a single. And had 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.920 she not become a single at least not then yeah, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.079 And so I was like, wow, he never said that 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.440 a secret, right did He realized she got pregnant and 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.880 that's why. And so I'm thinking, wow, I know this 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.359 great story, but I keep secret. You know, when you 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.440 have friends at working in business, you either are really 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.799 good to keep it secrets or you're allowed mouth. And 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.840 so I just don't say anything because it's not my 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.320 place to say. But it's a good story. But like 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.160 three months later, it was like breaking news, Kenny admits, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.400 and I was like, what do you mean? So what 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.320 did you know about this? That's amazing? You know, it 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.160 kind of came back to me now. I remember Pink 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.320 was on the song, and I knew she was putting 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.519 out a new record, so I remember hearing you know 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.480 it won't be a single because she's gonna make it 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.480 the record. And then so you did hear that. I 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.799 do now that you say that it's kind of coming back, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.960 but I never heard then. I just heard, oh, it's 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.640 the next single. I never because you know, we had 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.720 Noise first and Nois was kind of quick to come 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.359 and go, and then this one happened really fast, so 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.959 I never heard. The reason I never heard that it 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.080 was because she got pregnant so her music was on hold. Crazy, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.760 that's crazy. I never knew that. I never I can't belave. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.480 I never thought. I'm glad I could bring up out 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:41.000 of your podcast Ross, I'm sharing stories. So that song there, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.720 when you wrote it, did you write it as a duet? 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.040 We didn't at all. And you know what, you write 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.080 it with Josh Osborne and Matt Jenkins, and we didn't 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.560 think of this song. It's not like this is one 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.600 of those ones. We got home that night and we 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.800 were like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna this is the 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.080 one man, this this is one of those ones. It 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.240 was like it was like me and Josh's favorite song. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.800 And Josh was playing it out in rounds and playing 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.040 it before anyone, playing it before anybody. He just started 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.160 playing rounds and he'd be like, man, Ross, that that's 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.520 set in the world. Fire song goes over really well 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.000 in rounds. I was like, Oh cool, Josh, that's that's 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.800 good man. And so then Kenny cut it and somehow 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.200 decided to put Pink on it. Kenny has a great 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.400 like intuition to know. He just has this. I always 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.279 say he's the best A and R guy in Nashville. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.560 I always feel like he picks about songs, are about 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.120 songs and just and just do it A and or 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.120 he's record knowing to put Pink on that song. I 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.680 never would have thought to put her on that song, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.280 and I feel like her being on that song the 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.440 first time I heard I literally cried when I heard 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.680 it in the studio with him, just because I grew 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.200 up with Pink on the radio, and like just hearing 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.880 her voice on a song that I was a part 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.920 of writing was just mind numbing to me, you know. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.000 He I was talking to Kenny. It was the same 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.680 night and Pink had come through with the top on us. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.600 We were doing this interview whole thing, and Pain came 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.920 over and they didn't. I don't think they'd spent a 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.719 lot of time together, you know, And that's how it works. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.200 A lot of people don't realize that now because back 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.040 in the old days. But when because I assumed I 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.840 was born in the eighties. You born in the eighties, okay, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.840 early year, you earlier? Okay, like not like I'm not 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.200 like Taylor Swift. That's where most people nowaday eight seven, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.000 like come on, man, count that. But people don't even 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.200 record it in the studio together anymore. Just generally they 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.440 don't look together, and it's it's almost to listeners like, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.320 oh man, we I just want to imagine carrying boys, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.640 two men doing one Sweet Day, remember the video, and 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.760 they're all in the studio together and it's like sorry, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.760 and they're back and forth. That's how I imagine every duet. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.479 And he was like, no, we really didn't. I will 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.200 say when we did Different for Girls with Dirks. Dirks 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.880 flew us on his little plane to Texas to l King. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.599 There's no gonna and not that I want to let 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.760 me tell you what hap a Ross, because Ross and 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.680 I were both the darks after party at the A 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.760 C M S. And so we go and we're there 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.800 and I think the last time I was on all right, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:13.960 even on the air, because there are certain stories you 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.600 come out of there with their stafe to tell and 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.600 I told about Luke, and Luke goes up into the 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.360 DJ boots and he's like, where's the microphone And he's like, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.440 there's no microphones, Like what was talking to the headphone? 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.640 So look, plugs in a pair of headphones into the 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.880 microphone jacks, yelling through the headphones and think that works? 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.880 Does that actually work? It does? All I know is 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.920 that here looks screaming over the top of the speakers 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.440 with distortion. And he's like, all right, people were gonna dance, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.520 and so everybody talks dancing. And I'm talking to Dirks 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.680 and Dark is like, hey, I'm flying home tomorrow at 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.120 three pm, and my flight was at like seven in 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.160 the morning, right, And he's like, you can fly back 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.360 with me if you want. And I'm like, cool, Dirk's 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.160 has got a jet and I'm gonna hop on Dark's 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:56.800 jet and He's like, no, no, I flew my plane. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.560 I was like, I'm gonna go and go fly south west. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.000 There's no way. I'm Dirk is one of my favorite 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.520 people in the whole world. Yeah, me too, But I'm 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.680 not getting in a small plane. Where's the drunk on 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.560 a plane hat? And the glasses too. When he's in 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.280 the cockpit that small plane. Is that weird? It's weird, bro, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.640 because you feel at all. And Dirk's at one point 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.080 got off the plane and was like, that was one 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.640 of the roughest rides I've ever had in my life. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:23.680 And he's got the drunk in a plane glasses and 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.640 he's like over the loudspeaker, like, yeah, welcome to dude there. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.280 I don't need my pilot making chucks. I don't even 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.520 like on Southwest. We were flying into Kansas once and 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.760 the pilot's storming, right, and the pilot comes on and 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.000 he goes it wasnnder a little trivia here as we 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:40.520 go through that, and I'm like, dude, just focus on 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.920 the freak. I don't need Dirk's drunk on a planet. No, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.400 But he's actually a great pilot. I'm sure he is. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.920 I like pilots whose main job is to be a pilot. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.520 It's not to be a superstars is like drinks on 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.760 stage too, right, He's got to have a few drinks 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.600 on stage and then he flies home. I don't listen. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.800 I doubt regardless, Darks as an artist and a dad, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.880 and then he's a pilot in order I need my 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.160 pilots to be up ranked around one first. Maybe too hilarious. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.360 So speaking of Dirk's let's see for Dirk's man. You 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.000 have so many songs here. Um, you wrote tip it 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.080 on back? Was this the first dark song you wrote? 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.760 That was the That song started everything for me? Everything, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.120 I really think it is. That's just Oh, I really 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.880 do owe my career to Dirk's And I always tell 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.120 him that because he took a chance on that song 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.120 and it was my first big single I've ever had. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:44.040 It got to five and then uh, he liked the demos, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.520 so then we're starting to hang out any and that's 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.360 when he asked me to produce his record Riser, and 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.959 that really did. That really did started off for me. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.120 So you credit Dirk says, I really do, and I 0:08:55.240 --> 0:09:00.120 always tell him, really, I really do. And the is 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:06.199 your first single. I think Thompson Glass before that, but 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.920 this is your first top ten. This is my first 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:12.360 top ten. Yeah, it's all Night, I have Glass, I 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.600 have it all ros. I know that I'm like Wikipedia, 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:22.200 Ross Comproman, Gosh, I'm scared, scared. So Thompson Spurred has 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.240 a song. Okay, let's just why far back. I have 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.360 a lot of you as the UK pop You don't, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.839 I do. I don't look at my screen. I have 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.760 all of it and we'll get there. Oh my god. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.719 So you moved to town. Let's just talk about Nashville first. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.520 You moved to Nashville to be a songwriter? What year? 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.440 Oh man? I always say, it's about ten years ago? 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:49.079 What would that be? Six seven is ship? Yeah? And 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.640 you move here, and I mean, are you stable when 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.040 you move here? Financially? Do you have friends? Like so 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.640 I had. I had a record deal in the UK, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.520 and so I had a publishing deal with E M 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.719 I there and I was locked into this E M 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.640 I UK publishing deal that never ended and I was 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.920 done with being an artist, and so I was stuck 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.480 in this deal. And I met I got named Josh 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.400 me and Walkenberg in at the big Loud Shirt parking 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.199 lot party and I was like, Hey, I write for you, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.240 my Do you think you could listen to some of 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.520 my songs? And he was like sure, dude, whatever, And 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.160 so I played him some songs and he kind of 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.240 took Mender's wing and like he played songs with your 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.319 instrument and voice? So you played yeah, my guitar and 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.719 then he started he really he really developed me. He 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.280 is the reason. Also, there's so many people this town. Man, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.200 it doesn't just happen, you know fast. It was definitely 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.679 ten years for me. Um, and you had Josh took 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.360 me in his wing. And then Bradley Collins from bm 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.880 I sent me to the Key West Songwriters Festival and 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.280 I came back with so many new friends. I went 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.319 down there not knowing anyone. Kit More was one of 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.839 my first friends. Be and him were goofing around down there, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:04.319 Ryan Scooters Ackwards and being crazy and um, yeah, I 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.280 made some of my best friends down there. So you 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.920 start riding in town with a lot of people, and 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.600 I'm sure you're a hundred songs or so before Glass, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.640 it's it's oh yeah. So whenever you first get that, hey, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.640 this is gonna be the single for an artist. It's 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.319 on the radio. That's a big deal, right. Me and 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.840 John Knight first time we met, we wrote Glass together, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.000 just us in a room with guitar, green carpet floor, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.240 the old m I building. Um, we just stared into 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.120 each other's eyes longingly and like we really did. And 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.400 we've literally have been best friends since that day and 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.480 and this song top fifteen, Yeah, top fifteen. I love 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:47.280 those guys, tough to Square. Yeah, some of my favorite 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:52.000 people keep us funny, so oddly funny, oddly funny, like 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.360 you don't expect different, it's oddly funny. This is oddly funny. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.839 We think you're just messing a TV show together. It 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.120 ended up not getting picked up with the whole process 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.240 of yeah, a TV production company, so we wish. Yeah, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:10.079 but don't you have many I try everything, nothing really works. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.280 That's the thing. I try a little bit. I didn't 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.360 try to get in everything. My dad's pretty geeked out 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:15.839 that I'm doing this interview with you today. He's a 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.120 huge fan of he is he Yeah, he's in Ronan, Virginia, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.360 so he listens to all this stuff. Oh yeah, that's awesome. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.120 And you're from you grew up Virginia, Virginia. So Tom 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.040 Square cuts glass. They call you and say hey, and 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.560 then it goes about where to go twelve twelve? Yeah, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.679 so at twelve, that was a huge deal with that. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.720 But do you like, do you make good money at 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.439 twelve or thirteen? Back then? Back? Yeah? I feel like 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.000 back then you actually made more. Yeah, because songs don't 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.679 just go to this is my theory. Now it's just 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.839 flash it flies, and I know you're you have a 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.679 million number ones, so don't take offense to this in anyway. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.520 Here's my problem with the format right now is that 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.640 there are so many number ones that the music is 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.240 not going to last because we don't get to sit 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.959 with it. I agree number ones are forgotten. That that's 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.240 why these people that buy song catalogs, I'm I was like, 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.480 why are you doing it? Because you know there's like 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.240 four quarters of a song paying money and then it 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.760 really the drop off is like Matt Everest, we don't 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.959 give these songs enough time to breathe, and especially with 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.640 the superstars, and it's not the SuperStar's fault they're a superstar. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.800 It is the superstars who go the fastest. Like if 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.360 if even now Dirk's is up on that a list, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.440 but if it's Dirk or Blake or Luke or any 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.160 of these guys, and it's the record label's fault, it's 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.880 radio's fault. It's everyone's sing about it because it's just 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.960 like to get it, shoot, shoot up gone. But then 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.640 they can't even play all their number ones at a concert. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.000 Luke especially because they go by so and and Luke's 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.040 forties not like sixty five. And we and you forget 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.560 sometimes with these songs because we were talking about strip 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.520 it Down, which you strip it Down was on this 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.120 last album. It's six number ones Luke's last album. And 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.400 it's crazy. But you know why I have do the though, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.800 because you can song shoot up so fast. Yeah, and 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.480 and then albums suffer because everyone's just writing the singles. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.559 You want to get six singles on a record, that's crazy. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.240 So okay, talk about this one. Yeah. We we went 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.440 out to Luke's farm, the first time we've ever been 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.959 out there. His place blew our mind. We were we 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.480 thought we were on another planet. He's got his like 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.320 the river stocked with trout. Somehow, I don't even understand 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.120 how that works. How the trouter in one place, like 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.000 he says, you know, he goes and he he stocks 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.000 it hard with tiny ones and he grows them big. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.400 But I don't have a stay on his property. Why 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.520 don't they end up down somewhere? I think? But my 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.120 theory is he has someone that comes right before you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.200 come and they throw them right into the area where 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.560 you're going to be in a whole lot of so 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.960 you can show up. Because he has money, he can 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.960 do that. Yeah, he did have a field with deer. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.560 He's like, oh, the deer bend down over there. You 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.440 just it felt like in a tree stand right there 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.520 is like it was like Disney. It's like Dilukeworld. Yeah, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.160 we're thinking the right place at the right time. It's 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.120 like a safari where you know where the outfits are 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:09.000 going to be up. So we rode around his farm, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.720 we rode around through the river. He's shown us everything. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.480 It's the most amazing I ever seen. We came back 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.320 ate some some dear jerky. He grabbed at an acoustic 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.560 and he's like he started he started playing these chords 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.920 and he started he literally started singing in the chorus 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.440 um and me and John were like, whoa, what is 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.680 what is that? I got opened my laptop started recording him. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.560 It's like writing down as fast as I could twenty minutes. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.120 He kind of just he just kind of spouted out lines. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.520 Me and John were just catching it, and he's like, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.360 all right, boy, you wanna want to wrap it up? 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.520 Finished his another time or something. So we're like, no, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.560 let's just keep fighting. And so and then so we 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.240 went home and basically the whole song was like in 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.640 the scattered of three pages of just notes and we 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.640 kind just piece it together and with Luke's help and 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.160 then he cut it. And crazy at this level where 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.120 you are now with because as we'll see, it wasn't 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.640 always easy and it wasn't always awesome. Um, but now 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.080 you have success, and you have money, and you have 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:16.800 people they're dying to write with you and work with 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.960 you as you produce, and like you're you know, you're 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.920 growing just as an entity, like you're doing all these things. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.320 But uh, for you, Like how hard is it for you? 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.480 Like for someone let's say writer comes to town right 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.080 and at first like probably get right with you pretty easy, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.440 like whenever you're not making any money. But now do 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.920 you just go sit and write for artists specifically or 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.440 do you just still write songs and see where they land? Mostly? Man, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.760 you know we do, And I feel like the best 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.640 songs getting ritten like that when it's me and John 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.080 and Shane or me and Josh Osborne and Ranny Clausen 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.040 are Like I feel like that's how you write the 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.680 best songs when you're not thinking about anything and you're 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.280 just trying to write the best song in the room 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.680 that day. But are artists they're calling you, They're and going, hey, Ross, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.680 comes sit with me because you're writing all these hits. Well, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.399 a lot of artists are such good writers. Luke is 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.240 Luke would be one of the he'd be being my 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.080 song on the year every year, Luke, Brian Wood Dirk's 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:15.119 is a great songwriter, Keith Grett. They're all so good, um, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.199 and so yeah, when we go right with them, they 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.080 always have like a year of ideas stocked up because 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.720 they've been on the road tour and so and they're 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.000 not writing every day, so we're like flexing the muscle 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.040 every day so we can help to shape them. But 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.160 how hard is it to think of different stuff every day? Though? 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:31.639 Like what have you what have you done today to 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.680 right today? Yeah, Craig Wiseman, Okay, so you're going ro 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.440 with Craig Wiseman. Who who know, I'll tell you today. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.760 That's a great Yeah, go ahead, No, No, Craig Wiseman 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.440 has been around and written so many and probably a 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.560 million stories. Like it's probably awesome to go sit with 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.520 someone like that because they have so much that you 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.440 can hear and be inspired by. And you know, we 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:52.920 didn't have a title today and we're kind of just 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.919 we're grinding. He was telling stories. I was just learning 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.280 from him. And I saw like he had a key 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.680 chain on the on the table big loud shirt. You 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.080 know what his name is, Publishing. I was like, Craig, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.720 have you ever written big loud shirt? He's like, wow, no, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.120 I've never written that, And so we we we're gonna 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.959 write we started it big glove shirt. But that's how 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.680 things happened, like you just see something or like like 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.240 when we wrote um for Thousand Horses Smoke, he had 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:24.600 a black BlackBerry smoke hat on Michael Hobby did so 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.920 had he had the bands. I was just staring. We 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.600 didn't have an idea. I was just staring at his 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.080 hat smoke. I was like, smoke, it's not smoke, Not 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.320 that it's most I really feel like nowadays, simpler the better, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.760 Like simple title that you can tell in a different way. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:45.440 That's that's just what I'm into right now. So you 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.439 wrote this song on Michael who else? And John Knight? 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.480 You know it's weird. It makes sense because I do 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.880 the same thing. We get into our little front path 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:55.840 the people we trust, and we like to work with 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.600 people we trust and like, who are who are your people? 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.000 John will be first, Um, Josh Osborne and Shane McNally, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.440 Ronnie Class and Nicole and do you call Cole Nicole 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.080 Class called them? How far in advanced do you guys 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.520 set up these rights? You know, we book our years 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.000 out all the way to December. You book, you book 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.600 a year out. We do, and then but we leave 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.720 it kind of loose so that we can fill in, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.760 like like me and Ashley Goalley. He'll be one of 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.720 those that I trust. I mean, he's probably got to 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.840 be one of the best ever to exist songwriter wise. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.160 He's like rain Man. I've never seen anyone right like him. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.600 But we'll we'll do like two days with Ashley every 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.600 month through December, and then we'll fill it in as 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.800 we go. So Bill, like Billy Kurtnan is coming to town. Hey, 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.000 you know I think I'm like, oh, jump in with 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.720 me Ashley this day or something. So you guys will 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.160 have a right set and then you'll leave a spot 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.120 and someone will hop in. It's constantly juggle. It's we're 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.200 up at night at eleven o'clock and night every night texting, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.880 oh what if we do this here? Throw this person here, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:05.080 like constant juggle to try and maximize every right you 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.760