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Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Drny.

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Speaker 2: I think for someone like you, it must be extremely

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Speaker 2: hard because you write, to sit there for two years

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Speaker 2: it doesn't get bald.

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Speaker 1: It's two years of your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, the only the MBGA wars if you did it

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Speaker 4: and you didn't get paid for it. So fortunately on

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Speaker 4: the project we're out with now, Skydance bought it from us,

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Speaker 4: so you know, at least where compensated for the grind.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that, But when.

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Speaker 1: You were younger and you were writing, you weren't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I still I work on for the The

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Speaker 4: way that I ensure that I will not spiral and

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Speaker 4: spin off the planet is I have to work on

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Speaker 4: ten things in once. The reality like as long as

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Speaker 4: I am you know, spread thin, and I'm focusing here,

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Speaker 4: focusing there, throwing a little time at this, and they're

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Speaker 4: kind of all rising up like in terms of you

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Speaker 4: know how substantial they're be coming and how you know

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Speaker 4: how they're getting worked. Then I'm happy if I spent

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Speaker 4: two years working on one project and then took it out.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I probably I would not fare that well.

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Speaker 1: With the rection the draft board, you know.

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Speaker 3: No, because you know television.

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Speaker 4: I mean back in the day when I was writing,

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Speaker 4: I was writing movies, right, you know, and I was

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Speaker 4: trying to figure that out, and I was still a

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Speaker 3: I've now been a part of I mean.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and probably like one hundred and fifty hundred

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Speaker 4: and sixty episodes of television. Right, So my brain I

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Speaker 4: ballers how to make in America. But like my brain

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Speaker 4: the way I see it, and story and beats and

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Speaker 3: It's a different kind of muscle for me now.

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Speaker 4: So I'll still have like beat sheets and I'll still

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Speaker 4: put things up, but not I don't.

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Speaker 3: Rely on that like that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's become like a little more of a

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Speaker 4: least the kind of shows that I named.

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Speaker 3: Even though they're all different, they have.

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Speaker 4: Similarities that they're slightly tonally different, and they're different settings,

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Speaker 4: different characters, different experiences, this one.

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Speaker 3: I'm out. It's a little bit different. It's a little

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Speaker 4: It's a little more of a drama with comedy as

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Speaker 4: opposed to comedy that's dramatic. So I mean, it's still dramedy.

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Speaker 4: But I'm it's fucking dope. We'll see, We'll see what happens,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I mean, I don't cont

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Speaker 4: trouble with the university, you know, so unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm going back to our relationship. Do you remember

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Speaker 2: the fight thing and the fighting.

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Speaker 1: He rolled in with what was his name, Danny.

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Speaker 3: Boy, Danny Boy from the House Openion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny Boy, and a bunch of other dudes.

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Speaker 3: Eddie Donaldson.

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Speaker 4: Well that was kind of crazy because first off, we

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Speaker 4: were only dating like ten days?

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Speaker 1: Was it only ten days?

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Speaker 4: We were only dating because it was your birthday party.

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Speaker 4: We had started dating on April Fool's Day. I was

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Speaker 1: It was against the Clemishes.

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Speaker 4: No, they were surrounding that guy, Greg Vance. Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: So I walked it and I'm like, yo, what's the problem.

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Speaker 4: That just cost me a lot of invitations to a

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Speaker 4: lot of like really cool things, you know, because they

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Speaker 3: Know, right, Yeah, I don't really do that anymore.

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Speaker 4: But I'm very low key. I don't really go out anymore.

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Speaker 4: I told you i'd stopped drinking like five years ago.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just like happy, being like an old dad

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Speaker 4: I have one is an example too, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I didn't want my son porto. I love drinking wine.

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Speaker 4: But it was like, you know, those few times where

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Speaker 4: it's like seven am and you're going hungover, right, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: but I got you. I was like, man, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to kill the generational drinking.

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Speaker 1: So the example you're setting for him now is a

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Speaker 3: Be in that area. Yes, in that area. I'm sure,

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Speaker 4: Am looking at a couple hunder grand in therapy at

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Speaker 4: and that's just life, and I think that's reparent.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: At some point I remember, at some point in time

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Speaker 4: I go, if that's not my dad reincarnated, I don't

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Speaker 4: you in Vegas? You never even been to Vegas? I

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Speaker 4: just want to get there and win some money. I go,

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Speaker 4: so my dad.

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Speaker 2: Photos that I've seen of him where you know, you

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Speaker 1: Really reminds me of your dad.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he really, he really does. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't, you know, it's not like it's I'm oblivious

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Speaker 4: it's things that my dad passed to me that I'm

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Speaker 4: passing him, like there are direct correlations between him and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just.

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Speaker 2: You are a three time Emmy nominee your work on Entourage.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, but that's collectively the show was nominated for

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Speaker 2: So your break came in nineteen ninety three, when you

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Speaker 2: wrote and directed the nineteen ninety three film amongst friends.

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Speaker 2: The film was well received at film festivals. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: Well I was in competition, so but I was also

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Speaker 4: It's like when you're young, you're like, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: For six years straight for Golden Globes with Entourage.

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Speaker 4: I'll never be ungrateful for it that it's amazing to

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Speaker 4: have accolades. More it's for me more amazing to have fans,

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Speaker 4: like of a project you work on. There is nothing

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Speaker 4: That to me is the greatest thing more than other

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Speaker 4: people in the industry, Like recognizing the work you're doing.

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Speaker 3: And it's cool too, but it's not as important.

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Speaker 4: So when you're young, you have this vision of what

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Speaker 4: and your vision changes, right, Like success for me is

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Speaker 4: being able to afford to educate my son, feed them properly,

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Speaker 4: I want to eat, well.

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Speaker 3: Would I want?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like a little bit of freedom,

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Speaker 4: Like that's what's important. Like the award thing. The nomination

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Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody thinks like that anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anymore.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to play Billy walsh Man. I don't

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Speaker 4: But it was it was kind of like a mashup

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Speaker 2: But what's really interesting is that I didn't know that

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Speaker 3: So this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: You were you.

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Speaker 2: Do all these things about that's what happens, But you

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Speaker 1: Having it over here, is helping it over there, remember

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Speaker 2: I just remember watching it being like that guy's hot,

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Speaker 4: I wish you told me this twenty five years ago,

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Speaker 2: That path, all right, I'm going to bang out a

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Speaker 3: Of who Me?

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, you were already you were already

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Speaker 4: So I was watching you at home, I'm on my

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Speaker 3: You got in between what's up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you were very gangster and swagger. Gangster but sexy. Great,

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Speaker 3: You know you would like you know he's a solid.

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Speaker 1: You know you'll bounce back.

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Speaker 3: From mis divorce. I faith.

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Speaker 4: I'm only teasing you know, you one hundred percent will

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Speaker 3: You're over the divorce. Yeah, like you're not over like relationship.

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Speaker 2: No, I definitely want another relationship, right, I just don't

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Speaker 2: And I love that too, But why can't you You

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Speaker 2: You know, that's why you keep your house. The girl

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Speaker 4: I feel like negotiating this is like you keep your house.

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Speaker 3: You if you want to come out to Malbu, come.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're too young.

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Speaker 4: Like and again I'm not even like tripping on dudes

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Speaker 4: If it's like a seventyear old woman with energy or

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Speaker 4: The idea for me that I'm going to be in

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Speaker 4: Like I just I'm not there yet, you know where

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we see each other like you know

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Speaker 3: It's just it just I'm not ready to age out

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Speaker 1: You know, Well that takes me out.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean I want a data twenty six year

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Speaker 3: Man. I need to keep moving like it's just the

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Speaker 1: You know, how long did we date before we got engaged?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a good question. That was like.

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Speaker 1: Maybe do you remember how you proposed and where we were?

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Speaker 4: I don't think you let me propose. I think I

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Speaker 4: That was not like the most fun process, Like first off,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'll like, I'll go down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 3: He's like, hey, Robin.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be in New York next week, like doing

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Speaker 3: See the stones.

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Speaker 4: you and your fingers are like this and they're dropping

447
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 4: like five characters.

448
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 3: And I'm standing behind you literally looking. I mean, I'm

449
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: like a broke ass kid and I'll stand behind you

450
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: go like this to the girl. You look back.

451
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 4: So we got that guy to make a really nice ring.

452
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 4: I remember I had to go out to dinner with

453
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: your parents to ask for that blessing.

454
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: Which was really sweet that you did that.

455
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 3: It was really it was really sweet.

456
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 4: But I've been going out with you for three years

457
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: or whatever, and we spent a lot of time with

458
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 4: your parents.

459
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: You're very very close with your parents, Yes.

460
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 4: Extremely, like they're involved in everything kind of shit. Right,

461
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 4: There's a couple of things that I like, I'll flag that,

462
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 4: I'll highlight. One was like the parents were always around,

463
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 4: which is cool, but I remember so I went to

464
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: the palm with them and I'm like, well, you know,

465
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 4: so we want to get married, and like they just

466
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 4: started keeping concerns.

467
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: Me and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, holy shit,

468
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you sir? I'm like a bedatia

469
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: for three years? Where's this all coming from? Now? You know?

470
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: Did I give you the ring back?

471
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm sure. In fact, I've been waiting all these

472
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: years to slide it back.

473
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 2: On the hand.

474
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm sure you did. You know you were

475
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: good with me?

476
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: I was like, I mean, first of all, I can't

477
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 4: say like I've ever felt one hundred percent financially stable

478
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 4: and safe. Obviously, I've had some really great successes and

479
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 4: I own a home, and you know, and there have

480
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: been certain things I'm about to do. But you know,

481
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: it was definitely a period of ups and downs financially,

482
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: especially in my twenties thirties.

483
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: You know, It's just it was for me too.

484
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean I got fired off nine from Now, I

485
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: got fired off Charms. It was like, well that's.

486
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was really the length of our relationship because

487
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 4: I was with you right after you left nine or

488
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 4: two and zero, and I think I was with you

489
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: until the around time you left Charm.

490
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: You know you for sure were, because I remember.

491
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: And it's funny because she her her questions are actually like,

492
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: right after you guys got engaged, you broke up, but

493
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: then you got back together again, So what made you

494
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: want to try it again? But one of the interesting

495
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: points is that at some point I stopped living with

496
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: you and I got the house on Marmont. Do you

497
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: remember the Chateau Marmont. I lived in that house for

498
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: you for a little bit. Yeah, No, I stayed in that. Yeah,

499
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: that was the one right over Depp's house.

500
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: Right. I was a for like a year with.

501
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 4: You, and then we had those two English masters English Masters.

502
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we were definitely together after I got

503
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: fired from Charmed as well, because I remember, like a

504
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: little show got offered to me, and but I had

505
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: to move to New York for it, and I didn't

506
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: want to move to New York. Really yeah, I mean

507
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: you listen at that point in time, I'm in my twenties,

508
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: it was like.

509
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 4: Special Victims Unit, man, because you'd be like you'd be

510
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 4: on in sports teams.

511
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: Now, now, let me tell you I was an idiot

512
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: for saying no. But I yeah, like I was young.

513
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties.

514
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: I was in love. I you know, my whole life

515
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: is an ulla. My parents were here. It was like

516
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: I didn't want to leave you. I didn't want to leave.

517
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember that, that's crazy. Yeah, we dissed it.

518
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah at them.

519
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: I just remember you had like a lot of conflict,

520
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: like your producers asking why we would go back together.

521
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: It was like, well, there's the obvious, right, which is

522
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: we had the connection.

523
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: But again, you have to put it in the context

524
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: of that time period.

525
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 4: You knew the people you knew and where you went

526
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: and what you coveted. We were connected, we knew each other.

527
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 4: You could go out and date people and have you alliances.

528
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 4: I could do the same thing and they're like, oh

529
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 4: I miss Shannon. You're like, I miss Rob And then

530
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 4: we're all still going to the same handful of places.

531
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: We're going to cross paths and we're going to link

532
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: back up.

533
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: Now I think people like are just like, hey, this

534
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 4: was great peace out and they're.

535
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Like, we don't see them ever again.

536
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that and they've already laid groundwork with like three

537
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 4: hundred of the people and crabs like I'm gonna go

538
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: on this and like, I mean, we could go down.

539
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: Like just the insane differences in the world of the

540
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: way dating is now and how obviously transactional and everything

541
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: has beclm me like and again it could just be

542
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: very like an la thing, but like the stories and

543
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: like the way it is is just not at all

544
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 4: the way it was when when we were young and dating.

545
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was something a little bit more pure about

546
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: dating back then. Comparents Now, I love that you said

547
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: it was very It's very it's become very transactional because

548
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: I've noticed that I won't do names, but someone who

549
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: you know is pretty much a serial cheater. But it's

550
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: only with people obvious transactional. It's only with people who

551
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: can help that person at certain times in their career.

552
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there are people who obviously married

553
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: and dated for money or for a job or for whatever.

554
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: But for the most part, back then, it didn't feel

555
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: so transactional. It did feel much more pure now, and

556
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: maybe it's one of the reasons why we very scared dating.

557
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: People to some degree.

558
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 4: Except for you, I wasn't famous, but but like people,

559
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: I understand there are certain things that are you know.

560
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: Like whether they're I don't.

561
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 4: I don't call it transactional as much as I call

562
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: that opportunistic, where you're just trying to use it to

563
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: continue building and leveraging. So that definitely existed back then.

564
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: But there was a purity to the point where like

565
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: if you met somebody, you met somebody you didn't meet

566
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 4: somebody that has posted a thousand pictures of themselves that

567
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: look nothing like who they are.

568
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: That's a complete avatar.

569
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: You've developed this like fantasy relationationship in your head with

570
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: this other person. Then you meet and you're so confused

571
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: as to who's showing up. But yeah, you have this

572
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: thing and I just look around them just like it

573
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: was basic and it was simple back then, But it

574
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: was good for that, you know what I mean?

575
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: Like it also like it also felt like a.

576
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: Community, right, Like dating back then in Hollywood felt like.

577
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: You knew the people. They all kind of went to

578
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: the same places. I felt like like there was a.

579
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: Sense of community, and you're kind of dating in the community.

580
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the case anymore. I feel

581
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: like the community is more global now, you know, yeah,

582
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: the global dating community.

583
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I agree.

584
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: How has Rob been supportive during the difficult past few years?

585
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: He hasn't.

586
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 3: That's I never heard from him.

587
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like, what do you mean what happened when

588
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: I miss No, that's not true.

589
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: You definitely I've been there.

590
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: You've definitely sent me text messages, you called, like when.

591
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: My kids came out my dad's funeral.

592
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but I remember the cancer diagnosis. But you

593
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: were married, so I assumed then. You know, one, I

594
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: like to respect everybody's space, Like you don't need likeing

595
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: X hitting you up.

596
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: When when you're married.

597
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: Right, He's like, oh, like, and that guy didn't seem

598
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: like particularly like all loose and cool. You seemed a

599
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: little stiff. So I mean, I'm like going to what's

600
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: he writing for?

601
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: You know. That's number one.

602
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: Number two is you know, like people going through these

603
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: life changing events of such significance, which are scary obviously,

604
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: Like I think I wrote you like, hey, Senning, you love.

605
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: If you haven't need anything, just know, like you know

606
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: I'm here because I'm not walking in your shoes, and

607
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: like I don't know your experience and I'm not going

608
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: to make your experience about me. That that experience is

609
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: just to say to you, like I'm here for you.

610
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: You know, if you should need me, if your husband

611
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: should let you down, hit me.

612
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: Hit me up, I got you. I got you girl.

613
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: But you know, like, but so I think, like there

614
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: were a couple of.

615
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: Times I did that, you know, and then there were

616
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: all the things I learned at the same time other

617
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: people did, like when your cancer came back, and I

618
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: remember being devastated by that when the whole thing happened

619
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 4: with the fire and watching you have to go on

620
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 4: one of the morning shows which I watch, you know,

621
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: the Today Show I think is on Chound four, This

622
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: one I watched. But I saw you on a show

623
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: where you felt like you had to share this new

624
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: chapter in your battle with cancer because it was going

625
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: to come out in this insurance case, and that was

626
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: an awful thing to see. First off, anybody have to

627
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: do right, but somebody that you still feel connected to,

628
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: you care about, you know, like you don't want to

629
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: watch somebody you have to go out there and put

630
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: themselves out like that, and you know, and it was

631
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: uncomfortable for you.

632
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: It was sonder because I hadn't. I hadn't like I

633
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: hadn't really faced it yet, so I was still coming

634
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: to terms and grappling with it. So then to actually

635
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: talk about it with a stranger, it was very, very,

636
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: very very emotional for me. I mean it's I can't

637
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 2: even watch that interview. I think I saw, you know,

638
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: a clip of it, and I I wanted to climb

639
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: in a hole. It was really uncomfortable.

640
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: You know, you've been through a lot, man.

641
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: There's nothing I'm going to say that's going to take

642
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: that away or make it better. It's your experience, you know,

643
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: and it's a it's not been an easy one and

644
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 4: an easy path, you know, and it's not.

645
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's much respect props.

646
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: To you, you know, for for and I said this

647
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: to you before the started, how important you are for

648
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: other not just women, but people, particularly people that you

649
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: know were part of that same generation watching nine or

650
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: two and zero, and we're going through similar experiences and

651
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: how they relate to you, and how you're leading people

652
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: through by sharing your experience.

653
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: You know. That's a thank you. And you're pretty spry. Man.

654
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: You got you got like a lot of like.

655
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: No, I got so much life left in man.

656
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah, it's pretty clear, you know.

657
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not going anywhere.

658
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think so either.

659
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks you guys for listening to it.

660
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Let's be Clearisha Doorty bite