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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, Tony and I are kicking off the summer

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Speaker 2: with a very fun conversation around this past season's turkey hunts,

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Speaker 2: our biggest plans and projects for deer hunting this coming fall,

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Speaker 2: and some important public land issues and updates. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast. In this

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Speaker 2: week it is Mark and Tony's epic kickoff to summer

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Speaker 2: adventure extravaganza, outdoor Rama podcast fest.

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Speaker 3: How does that sound, Tony?

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Speaker 4: That sounds amazing, amazing, Buddy, It's good to have you

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Speaker 4: back on the show man. Yeah, thanks for having me

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Speaker 4: buddy today.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to have, like, I just want to

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Speaker 2: have a little bit a lighter conversation, a little bit

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Speaker 2: of fun Wired to Hunt. Over the last couple of months,

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Speaker 2: we've had a lot of habitat stuff, We've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of conservation stuff. It's been like kind of deep

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Speaker 2: and heavy content So as we're kicking off summer here

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Speaker 2: with June finally arrived, feared, we should, you know, just

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Speaker 2: get the crew back together, talk deer, talk upcoming plans,

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Speaker 2: Talk Turkey season, because you and I haven't got to

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Speaker 2: talk about our Turkey seasons yet. And I've got a

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Speaker 2: great story that I haven't got to tell anyone on

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Speaker 2: the podcast about yet.

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Speaker 3: Talk a little bit current events.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot in like the public land conservation

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Speaker 2: So I want to give some updates there and then

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Speaker 2: you know, see if there's anything exciting going on for

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Speaker 2: you or E as we head into this season. Because

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Speaker 2: what's crazy is it feels like we're going to blink

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it's going to be late

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Speaker 3: So I don't know how it happened. It feels like

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Speaker 2: I swear to god, it was just January first, and

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Speaker 2: my wife and I were like planning our year, and

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Speaker 3: How does this happen every year?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, buddy, It goes time, just freaking flies

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Speaker 2: Is it getting worse for you with the older kids

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Speaker 4: It just accelerates When you have kids. It's like your

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Speaker 4: So like you said, I mean, you're sitting there planning

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Speaker 4: and it's always like, well, I got to be here

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Speaker 4: then I mean I was thinking about this this morning.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, crazy, Yeah, I'm actually going out

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Speaker 2: just wild how it shifts and flies. And one of

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Speaker 2: the things I always thought early on with kids was that, oh,

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Speaker 2: But I see like the future that you're talking about

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Speaker 4: you know, five months of basketball where there's tournaments all

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Speaker 4: And it's already like, well, I can't do that. One

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Speaker 2: So we just wrapped a Turkey season, or at least

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Speaker 2: I don't know when yours ended, but our season ended

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Speaker 2: speaking of taking the kids out and everything. Did you

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Speaker 4: We had good, good season, buddy. Minnesota went really well

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Speaker 4: for us. My daughters killed both killed good toms early

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Speaker 4: our family, which is a good spring. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, there's there's precedent for some nepotism at our company,

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Speaker 3: Might work out for how dare you a kid? A kid?

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Speaker 2: I would love to see the Peterson girls get a

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Speaker 4: No shit start making some money girls?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, I gotta pay their own way.

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Speaker 2: Did A were any of those any of those hunts

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Speaker 3: They pretty standard? Tony Peterson, Turkey Fair.

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Speaker 4: It's a gift, no question. But while I'm down there

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Speaker 4: But I'm like, I'm going down to Kansas with my

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Speaker 4: Somehow I'm gonna figure it out. And it's like I'm

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Speaker 3: It's it's so funny. Growing up you it just was

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Speaker 2: It's it's the most unbelievable thing that we've got going here.

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Speaker 2: can I take that one to the left, and like yeah,

433
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no no, And then like what about

434
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: that one, Like okay, yeah, take him?

435
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: Then no, no, no no. So that went on for

436
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 3: four and a half.

437
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: Minutes because I filmed this whole part, and finally, what

438
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: looked like probably the biggest of the jakes finally like

439
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: kind of half strutted and puff puffed up next to

440
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: the Deeks and the other five were just far enough away.

441
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the one, and uh, and he dropped it.

442
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: It was super exciting. He was excited, and like I said,

443
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 3: he was saying.

444
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: Dude and bro a lot and uh and it was

445
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: a really nice, you know, just good big Jake, and

446
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: it was awesome, awesome experience. He handled like a pro.

447
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: He was very very proud, very excited to be able

448
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: to m Yeah. I helped him a little, but he

449
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: carried it mostly himself and just just great to see

450
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: like that next step taken for him. He's been you know,

451
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 2: following along with me for seven years now, and uh,

452
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's I can see why you've been, you know,

453
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: loving all his years.

454
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 4: The way you have this is so fun.

455
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, pretty are special.

456
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 4: That situation where when you have a kid it happens

457
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 4: with Newby just any Newbye Turkey Hunter two when they

458
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 4: come in all wadded up is like intense. A couple

459
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: of years ago, after my daughter's had that just melt

460
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 4: on where they shot nine times and we got one Jake.

461
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 4: The next night, I took my daughter back out and

462
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, you gotta get back on this horse, buddy,

463
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 4: because that was a that was a bad performance. The

464
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 4: day before I called in fourteen. So there's five or

465
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: five Toms and nine Jakes came into the decoy and

466
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: it was just like holy shit, like we gotta like

467
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: do not touch one off until we get one that's separate.

468
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: Because we could kill like six at one time.

469
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: You can get your nine shots back all in one dude.

470
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so that's that situation is intense. But that's awesome, man.

471
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah it was cool. And uh and yeah, now he

472
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: wants to you know, of course, he's like, now I

473
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: got a turkey, then I can shoot a deer too.

474
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 3: You know I can't. But no, we're gonna We're gonna

475
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: wait a lot. How old were your girls when they

476
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: took their first year?

477
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 4: I think I took him hunting when they were eight.

478
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: But like they were on the trigger, yep, okay.

479
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: Because I had taken them hunting before that. I think

480
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 4: the first time they actually did hunt was when they

481
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: were eight, but they didn't kill anything until they were nine.

482
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: And the time that I took them first was one

483
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: weekend in the whole season and it was just a

484
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: short deal. They didn't really get after it till they

485
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 4: were nine. But they both killed deer when they were nine.

486
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, that's gonna be. I gotta figure that

487
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: out when when I want that to be. I know

488
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: he can handle himself. I know he can do it.

489
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: He can he can you know, he can shoot a

490
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: rifle really well, he's shooting a seventeen rifles, not shot

491
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: a three fifty or anything yet. But he can handle

492
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: himself on a rifle really well, Like he's physically able.

493
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: For me, I just want to more still figure out

494
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: when he's mentally mature enough, you know.

495
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the deer things different than Turkey's man.

496
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: Like if I were if I were you, I would

497
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: get one of those death grip bog pods and make

498
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: sure that the SHOT's going to be like fifteen yards

499
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: kind of thing, like just you know, And we haven't

500
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: had this happen yet. We've been pretty lucky so far.

501
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: But my girls haven't spined one. We haven't had a

502
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: really ugly death yet, which was my big fear. And

503
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 4: I think now you know, they've been through it enough,

504
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 4: I you know, And it might be different with boys too,

505
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: like your your son might shake off. You just don't

506
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: want to risk it, you know, like you want to

507
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: keep away from that spine. You want to make sure

508
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: that it's a yeah, it rides away seventy yards and

509
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 4: tips over.

510
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: Were you on the podcast when I was talking about

511
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: what happened with me and my son last year on

512
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: a dough I shot and it charged us. Tell you

513
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: that story, dude, it's crazy.

514
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: The very like the thirty second version is that I

515
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: shot a dough.

516
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: It was like snow and a ton.

517
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: So I wanted to pick up the blood trail fast

518
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: or sooner than I would usually, just because I don't

519
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 2: want to lose that blood. And we walked up on

520
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: her when she was still alive, and so I took

521
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: a second shot to finish her off, and she stood

522
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: up and charged right at us, and literally like I had,

523
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: I had to step in front, I pull my son

524
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: behind me, stand up with my arms up and screaming

525
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: at her, yelling to try to stop it. And then

526
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: it collapsed like within five yards of us. It was

527
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: crazy and so and so you think she intentionally was

528
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: charging you, I don't think. I don't think she was

529
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: intentionally charging me. Like she never even looked at me.

530
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: She was just like it just happened to jump up.

531
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: And he was like running like head down almost, you know,

532
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: just we just happened to be right there. So he

533
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: saw some crazy stuff at that time around right.

534
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: I know Tom Doc and the dog trainer. He was

535
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: shed hunting a couple of years ago. In one of

536
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: his I think it was a standing corn food plot

537
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 4: he had, and his dog bumped up a buck and

538
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 4: it came through that food plot and hit him, just

539
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: barreling out of there and knocked him assive her apple cart.

540
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: But I was hunting one time in college. I had

541
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 4: gotten permission on this We'd been trout fishing this stream,

542
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: and I kept finding all these crossings on there. So

543
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: I just went up and knocked on the door and

544
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: they let me hunt this place. And it was down

545
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 4: in the you know, bluff country along the river. I

546
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 4: was down in Winona, and so you're in all these

547
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: big valleys. And I walked into this valley one time

548
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: and just sat on the ground in this place to

549
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 4: kind of cross through once in a while, sitting there,

550
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: and I had a little buck coming in bed behind me,

551
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: and I had already filled my buck tag, and so

552
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: I just watching him. He came in, and you know,

553
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 4: he was like fifteen yards away, and he got up

554
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: to leave, and I bleeded at him just for the

555
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: hell of it, just like for something to do. And

556
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: when I did, I heard another deer start just barreling

557
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: down the hillside like above me, you know how it is,

558
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: And like a you're like in an amphitheater almost yeah,

559
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: And so I looked and there was a dough coming

560
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: like full bore, and so I drew and she came

561
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: around the tree at like as fast as a deer

562
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: can go and hit the brakes and I could have

563
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 4: just reached out and touched her, and she kind of

564
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: like recoiled when she figured out I was standing there,

565
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 4: and she hopped like ten yards and I laced her

566
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: and she ran and tipped over, and I was like,

567
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: that was crazy, Like she came she heard me make

568
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: that bleat, and she came down so hard, and I

569
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: was thinking about it, and I had found it was

570
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: a long highway fourteen this farm was, and I had

571
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: found a like a yearling doe dead in the ditch

572
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: like that day coming in, and I'm like, oh, I

573
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 4: wonder if that deer's fawn got hit And she hadn't

574
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: like pieced it together, because that you know, I've bleeded

575
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 4: at a billion deer and I've never had a response

576
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: that was like she was like, holy shit, there's what

577
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to now, and it was like a crazy response.

578
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: It was the only time I've ever had that, So

579
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: it could be maybe that wasn't it, but I was like,

580
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: maybe she had lost her fallen like a day before,

581
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: and thought maybe, you know.

582
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've had really good success with like that

583
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: kind of fawn and distress.

584
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: Blate that that will. They will come tearing into it,

585
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: They really will.

586
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wild.

587
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: So speaking of deer though, let's I'd love to hear

588
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: you know, what's like the big thing you're most looking

589
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: forward to coming up this year when it comes to

590
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: deer hunting. What's your big exciting trip or priority or

591
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: thing you're working on this summer or looking forward to.

592
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, this is gonna be so boring other

593
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: than with the girls. And I should say this too.

594
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: I got permission to hunt a badass place for bears

595
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: here in Minnesota, which I am like a little torn

596
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: on because I don't like the thirty second version of this.

597
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: I ran into a guy used to fish a lot

598
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 4: of tournaments against earlier this spring, and he sold his

599
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: business quite a while ago for a lot of money,

600
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: like walk away and never do anything again. So he

601
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: owns thirteen hundred acres in one spot an hour north

602
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: of me A in the no quota zone in Minnesota.

603
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: So essentially you can buy an over the counter bear

604
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: tag every year because they don't want bears south of

605
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: a certain point. Gotcha. So he was like, he killed

606
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: like the number five biggest non typical in Minnesota ever

607
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: a few years ago, giant like it was something it

608
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: was in the one eighties, net one of those deer

609
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: that's just like a you know, mass for days kind

610
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: of thing. Anyway, talking to him, you know, we were

611
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: talking about deer, and then he said, you know, my

612
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: only problem is I'm covered in bears there and nobody

613
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: will shoot him. And I'm like, hey, buddy, I've got

614
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: two thirteen year old girls who will shoot all the

615
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: bears that we can, and so we have that. So

616
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: I'm actually like, we're excited about that because I'll be

617
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: able to do real like bear work, Like I'll be

618
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: able to set things up and bait it and it

619
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: won't be like i won't be driving several hours at

620
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: a time and not there for many days at a time,

621
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 4: like all my bear hunting has been like very kind

622
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: of piecemeal because nothing's close to me. And so I'm

623
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: actually kind of excited for that, other than potentially having

624
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: dead bears to deal with, which I'm not that excited about.

625
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: But we'll make it work. We'll eat them, they'll get

626
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: their bear rugs or whatever. So I'm excited for that

627
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: and just hunting with them in general, because we're starting

628
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: to do you know, you talked about like put your

629
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: back to a tree with your son versus sitting in

630
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: a blind. Last year, we started doing natural blinds deer hunting.

631
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: This year, I'm setting up tree stands for my girls

632
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: so we can sit together. So we're like expanding that

633
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: thing because I'm sick of sitting in blinds and so

634
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: are they. And after they both killed deer out of

635
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: natural blinds last year, they're like, Dad, this is how

636
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: we're going to do it, you know. So that process,

637
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: that's kind of what I'm going to be working on

638
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: next week. I'm excited for that. But like personally, you know,

639
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: I've talked about that that big wood stuff that I

640
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: hunt over in Wisconsin a lot, and you know my

641
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: struggles on the public land over there. Last year, I

642
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: found a concentration of good bucks, you know, almost almost

643
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: got one, like a one point thirty with my daughter

644
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: sitting on the ground in there, just super freaking cool.

645
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: I went back there to hunt, Uh, had a great hunt,

646
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: almost killed a nice eight point in my first morning,

647
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: hit a deer that night, wrecked my truck over didn't

648
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: I didn't get to do what I wanted to. But

649
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: I went back there this winter and this spring and

650
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: I scouted and I put way more time into that area,

651
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: and I'm like, my focus is get the girl some

652
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: deer early, and then I just want to go have

653
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: like a good like give that area a good effort

654
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: because it's just that fun, big wood stuff. And last

655
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 4: year it was like, I mean, I hunted Iowa. Last year.

656
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: When I left Iowa, I went over to Wisconsin in

657
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: the Northwoods, where the deer concentration is like ten percent

658
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: of what you're going to run into where I was

659
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: at Iowa. Like literally, I'm not even really being facetious.

660
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: And the sign that I found in the concentration of

661
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: bucks that I found was better than what I found

662
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: in Iowa. That's crazy. I just I have a few

663
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: theories on it. I don't know if I'm right or not.

664
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: But the easy access died a couple of years ago

665
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: when we had this crazy heavy snow that just weighed

666
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: everything down. And it's like to get to these deer

667
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: now even though they're not very far away from a road.

668
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: Is just a different thing than going down a very

669
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: clear two track with a four wheeler or just walking

670
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: in and I think that was the difference maker. And

671
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: so that's part of the reason I did a lot

672
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: of walking in there this year, because I'm like, are

673
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: there people even hunting in here anymore? And every tree

674
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: stand I found, which there's supposed to be none, every

675
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: one of them is a stand I've seen for years,

676
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I didn't see anything new, and I'm like,

677
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: I think people are just staying out of here, and

678
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: that's why those bucks moved in here and were concentrated.

679
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: And so I don't know how long that'll hold up,

680
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: because it'll get open again, but that that little challenge

681
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: is like my most exciting thing right now.

682
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you gonna run cameras out there?

683
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: Can't? You can't on this. So this is private land

684
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 4: open to the public. Wisconsin has a great program for that,

685
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: and so I think I should check this, but I

686
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 4: think technically you have to get permission from the landowner

687
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: whoever owns it, to run cameras. So I just don't,

688
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: which is weird, right, because you're like showing up and

689
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: you're like, there's sign, there's everything. But every deer that

690
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: shows up is like a kind of a mystery deer.

691
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: But I don't mind it, you know what I mean,

692
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: Like it's just kind of like you just whatever, you

693
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: play by that rule now, you know, but it's it.

694
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: And also, I'll tell you this, not being able to

695
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: do that has forced me to just walk in scout

696
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: a lot, you know, because you can't go in and

697
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: be like, well, I'm just gonna monitor this trail for

698
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: a month and if this doesn't work, so I'll move

699
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: my cameras. And so it's like a different thing, you know.

700
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: But that that just that area just got under my

701
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: skin and I'm still dealing with it and I can't

702
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: get past it. I got to figure it out.

703
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: So that's fun, those those new little challenges, I mean

704
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: to what you saw with the camera thing. I love

705
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: my cameras. I'm gonna keep running cameras, of course, but

706
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: I do find myself more and more interested in just

707
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: some places, not doing them on purpose, right, just to

708
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: keep that mystery in some spots, you know, because last year,

709
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: like on my main Michigan area, you know, in any bucks,

710
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: I was interested in shooting disappeared early on, and then

711
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: I just found myself like increasingly less and less excited,

712
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: less and less interested. Like I'm going out there, I'm

713
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: like not even feeling like there's a chance. I'm kind

714
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: of going through the motions because I haven't got pictures

715
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: of a deer in seven weeks. I would shoot, But

716
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: here I am. While if I had just gone into it,

717
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, with a different set of expectations and just

718
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: been out there for the fun and the mystery of it,

719
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, probably would have enjoyed those hunts a lot more.

720
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

721
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's pros and cons to everything, but

722
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: that mystery is nice sometimes.

723
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: I like ha them both. Man. You know, I'm going

724
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: to go drop a shitload of moultries off on private

725
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: land over there next week, and you know, for the girls.

726
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: You know, I if obviously, if I found a giant

727
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: or something that I could work with, I'd probably pay

728
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: attention to it. I just don't anticipate that, but I

729
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: like that, man, Like I like, you know, I'm going

730
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 4: to go down probably probably sometime after the fourth Steve

731
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: and I are going to spend some time in Nebraska,

732
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: this pole on a private place, and I'm really excited

733
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: to run cameras there because I think it's going to

734
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 4: be really good. And there's a you know, a river

735
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: running through this place, and so I look at that,

736
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm so jacked to start getting pictures from there.

737
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: But I'm also looking at a time window when I

738
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: can head out to North Dakota and hunt where I

739
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: like to hunt, where I'll have no intel, you know,

740
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 4: I'll show up in glass and so I think, I

741
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: don't know, man, you know how this goes? Like it's

742
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 4: really nice to give yourself a few different options like that, because,

743
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: like you said, you know, if you're primarily sitting there

744
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 4: and you're like, all my Target bucks are gone and

745
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: I know it because I have a lot of cameras out,

746
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: then there's like something missing for that part of your season,

747
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: like you just don't have the desire to go. But

748
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: if you're like, well, I don't have any Target Bucks

749
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 4: right now, but I'm heading out to North Dakota in

750
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: a week and I don't know what's going on there,

751
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: but I don't care because I'm gonna have to go

752
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: find them. In the moment, it just like sort of

753
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: balances that stuff out a little bit.

754
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

755
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: Now we've talked about for years like that having options

756
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: or having diversity, just just just having some different things

757
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: makes at all, you know, a lot more fun in

758
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: many different ways. So I will be running a lot

759
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: of cameras in one state this year because I'm my

760
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: friend should be drawing Iowa. Yes, So I'm excited to

761
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: get back there. I've not hunted Iowa in too long

762
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: because I after my last time in Iowa when I

763
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: missed a giant eight point on the last day of

764
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: one week in November that first year, I was kind

765
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: of butt heard about it the next year and forgot

766
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: to apply for a point that year. So I've had

767
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: to wait longer than usual, but finally got back on it.

768
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: And this year should be the year.

769
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: Knock on wood, Are you gonna hunt back down in

770
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: the same area again.

771
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, same area, So I've got access to a couple

772
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: of different spots down there with our mutual friends and

773
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: we'll be looking for redemption.

774
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: So about that.

775
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: And also, like you know, that year in one week

776
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: in November because of the fact that you know, we

777
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: were there for work and we were filming that show,

778
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: and you know, things you know, weren't going my way.

779
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: So I felt like, you know, there was just zero

780
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: room for any fun. It was like, I'm hunting all

781
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: day every day. If I'm not in a tree, i'm scouting,

782
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm moving, I'm you know, getting back late because you know,

783
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: we're in deep and we're sneaking out as quietly and

784
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: slowly as possible, and we're in their way before, you know,

785
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: just like everything was two thousand percent focused on how

786
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: do you kill a good buck here? Right while at

787
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: the same time, a couple of my friends from Michigan

788
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: were also there in Iowa with our buddies that live

789
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: there in Iowa. And so like my whole friend group is,

790
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: they're hunting together, and they're going out to eat at night,

791
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: and they're meeting up for lunch and hanging out and

792
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: having a good time and they're just having a terrific experience. Meanwhile,

793
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: I am, you know, killing myself to try to kill

794
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: a deer, not doing any of that stuff for them,

795
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: and uh and then I didn't even kill it ere

796
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: So this time around, I'm going there for the full experience.

797
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, of course, try to fill a tag and

798
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: so you're gonna film stuff.

799
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna film it.

800
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: No.

801
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: Wow, dude, I know that you hear this a lot

802
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: about one week in November. I mean that's the one

803
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: project people are always like, when are you bringing that back?

804
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

805
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: And I mean I would do it again because I

806
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: think it was a really good show. But that week

807
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 4: sucks so much. I mean you're yeah, I mean it's

808
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 4: just you know, it's a dumb thing to bitch about.

809
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna anyway, when you when you get into

810
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 4: that week and you're you're dragging a cameraman around and

811
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: you have that pressure to kill it's, uh, by the

812
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: end of that week, you are like, I am done

813
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: with this, like done.

814
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: And it feels like one month in November.

815
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: It's a it's a heavy lift, man, I mean it's

816
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: it's so great when you kill one, like it's that

817
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: it's really fun when you kill one or you have

818
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: a really cool hunt where you're like, that's gonna be

819
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: a good show. But man, it's it's just a lot.

820
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: And then you know, like when you when you have

821
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: a tag, like an Iowa tag, where you're like there's

822
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: like an extra pressure to that. I just did a

823
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: Foundations episode on this on like the premiere tags and

824
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: the you know how you know, Buffalo County used to

825
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: be the place in Pike County and you know now

826
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: it's like Iwan Kansas and there's a few places you

827
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: can go to where it's like still that premiere feeling.

828
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: There's like an added level of pressure to that that's

829
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: not for everyone, you know, like it's it you know,

830
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: like we said, it kind of balances out, but you're

831
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: still like, I'm only going to get X amount of

832
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 4: Iowa tags in my life. They're expensive. You want to

833
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: put a lot into them, and you want to get

834
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: the most out of them. But it's also like just

835
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: this weird level of pressure to do just that and

836
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: then end up with that grip and grin of something

837
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: big to show for your time there. And it's like,

838
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's it makes me appreciate some

839
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: of those trips to like Oklahoma or wherever where you're

840
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 4: like I'm just shooting anything, I'm just here for the hunt,

841
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: versus like this added component of like I kind of

842
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: feel like I need to kill a big one otherwise

843
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 4: this is going to be a failure. That stuff's tough.

844
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and that's why I'm approaching it different this

845
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: year because every other time I've gone there, I've approached

846
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: it the way you're describing it, and so this year,

847
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is where some of my best

848
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: hunting buddies live and spend all their time. It's like

849
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: a great like deer camp atmosphere. I'm going to go

850
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: there for the full thing, you know. I'm not going

851
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: to go into it like a military mission like I

852
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: do sometimes. I'm going to just enjoy myself, have a

853
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: fun hunt, spend time with good buddies, experience what Iowa

854
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: has to offer, like not be so worried about having

855
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: to kill a big deer, but just watching, seeing, experiencing

856
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: all the cool stuff that happens there. And you know,

857
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: if you get a buck, awesome. But I want, like,

858
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: I want the Iowa experience more than I want the

859
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: Iowa buck on the wall, Right. I think with that mindset,

860
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: I'll probably have a better chances of bringing some meat

861
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: home too.

862
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, you'll have fun. I mean when I when

863
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: I drew last year, I had a tough hunt down

864
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: there in some ways. I mean, it was just a

865
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: lot of pressure, just a lot of things going on.

866
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: I was on the end of a long run of travel.

867
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: But even you know, like how I killed my buck,

868
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: like decoy and m and like what we saw the

869
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: evening before and that day I was like this is

870
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 4: like Iowa, like this is just like what you want

871
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: to be here for. And it wasn't like I was

872
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 4: covered in giants, but it was like you're you're sitting

873
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: in a spot once you kind of get a dial

874
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: down there where you're like this this little area is

875
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: just humming with activity, like somebody's coming down the trail eventually,

876
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: and that's just and you know, I know you're you're

877
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: hunting a little bit different situation. I was on public

878
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: down there, but like I'm like watching all kinds of

879
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: animals on public all day long, where you're like this

880
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: doesn't feel you know, like some where you're on public,

881
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: you're like, I don't I haven't seen a squirrel. It

882
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: just feels different, and it is It's good to be

883
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 4: reminded to like appreciate that because you're not just that

884
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: I would take. Isn't just a ticket to go kill

885
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 4: a big one and bounce, you know, like you actually

886
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: have like really enjoyable sits down there.

887
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: For many reasons, well, And that's like with those types

888
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: of hunts, and really any hunt, but especially one of

889
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: these that have like a little extra pressure or cost

890
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: or you know, rarity of getting them. You know, I

891
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: would encourage someone to milk it for everything that's worth.

892
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: Like, go do the.

893
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Scouting trips, do the summer visits for cameras and glassing fields.

894
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: Go down there multiple times if you can throughout the season. Like,

895
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: don't rush it if you have, if you have the

896
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: available time, why you know, spend this rare opportunity on

897
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: just one week of misery. Why don't you get get

898
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: out there, enjoy it. Don't put pressure on yourself. Just

899
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: experience everything the place has and the people have and

900
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: the animals have.

901
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: And that's that's the good stuff.

902
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: Like when I look back on, like many of my

903
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: best memories, often it's from like the the summer trips,

904
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: putting up cameras and glassing deer with my buddies in

905
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: the field, or going in there in the early season

906
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: and just like you know, getting to see things progress

907
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: throughout the year. Or it's the hunt when I didn't

908
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: have a show and I was just like you know,

909
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: discovering this new place with my buddies and seeing what happens,

910
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: and yeah, just just taking it all in because there's

911
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: so much more to it than just filling that tag.

912
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: It's so we've been saying this for years and years

913
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: and years, right, but every single year, I have to relearn.

914
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 4: It, you know, dude, It's an easy thing to forget.

915
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of public land, I think that's a

916
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: perfect opportunity for us to segue to a quick kind

917
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: of pivot here to a like current events update for people.

918
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: If you are not on social media, if you are

919
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: like Tony Peterson and you are not on social media

920
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: too much, you might have missed some big news in

921
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: the public land world that I and a bunch of

922
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: folks have been talking about lately. So quickly I want

923
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: to get folks up to speed and then give people

924
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: updates on what's happening. Still, but the Big Brewja over

925
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: the last month or so, Tony, and I know you're

926
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: aware of this, but the Big Brewja has been around

927
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: the most recent iteration of attempts to dispose of public lands.

928
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: Right now, Congress.

929
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: Has been debating this big budget bill through a process

930
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: called reconciliation, and this is basically something that you know,

931
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: like every administration comes in, they want to get a

932
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: set of budget related priorities passed, and there's this process

933
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: that can be used called budget reconciliation, which allows a

934
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: bill to pass Congress with only fifty one votes rather

935
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: than the typical sixty needed.

936
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: So it's basically a way.

937
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: For something to actually get passed when many times these

938
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: bills never get passed. And so what happens is that

939
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: everyone throws in their little thing. So Joe and Minnesota says, oh,

940
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: I wanted this little thing to get done. I can

941
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: never get a bill passed. I'm going to attach it

942
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: to this budget bill. And then Bill and Michigan has

943
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: wanted to get this funding approved for this project, so

944
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: he throws this thing in there. It becomes this big,

945
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: huge package of a thousand different things. But because they

946
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: have to get the budget passed and they have to

947
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: get funding all taken care of, it has to get

948
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: passed by whatever party controls Congress, and so these things

949
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 2: typically move forward. So that's what's going on right now,

950
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: and a number of different public land related things have

951
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: gotten thrown into this budget package. One of those, which

952
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: was added in the middle of the night is like

953
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: between eleven and midnight within the House Natural Resources Committee.

954
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: This mandated the sale of more than five.

955
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: Hundred thousand acres of public land and it'd be done

956
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: in this case in Nevada and you So this happened

957
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: like three weeks ago when news came out about this.

958
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, first we thought it was eleven thousand acres,

959
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: and then it was several hundred thousand acres, and then

960
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: there was more than five hundred thousand acres. At one

961
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: point people thought maybe is more than one million acres.

962
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: But basically what happened.

963
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: Is, like the the representatives from Utah and Nevada didn't specify, oh,

964
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: it's this a this these acres. They sent some very

965
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: kind of oh what's the word ambiguous language around certain

966
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: properties that had been previously approved possibly for this kind

967
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: of stuff in the past.

968
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA.

969
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: Long story short, there were two things that were very

970
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: concerning here and the reason why so many folks across

971
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: the conservation and hunting and fishing and outdoor rec worlds

972
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: were raising such a stink about this. You know, First

973
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: and foremost, this was selling five hundred thousand plus acres

974
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: of public lands that you or I or anyone would

975
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: have access to, right. So that's that's a huge issue

976
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: because we're losing public access. We're losing you know, a

977
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: long term sustainable resource that you know, could be used

978
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: both for recreation, for wildlife habitat, but then also like

979
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: it's used in many other ways that produce revenue for

980
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: the for the nation too and provides grazing lease funds

981
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: or maybe there's oil extraction or different things like that

982
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: going on out there. So this is something that has

983
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: produced revenue, produced utility, produced space for activity and recreation

984
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years, decades and decades, and it could

985
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: for decades and decades in the future that would all

986
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: be forfeit if this is sold off for a short

987
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: term revenue game.

988
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: So that's number one.

989
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: The number two, which maybe is even more concerning, was

990
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: the process that would be utilized to dispose of these

991
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: public lands, because historically there has been a process in

992
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: place for appropriate sales of public lands or swaps of

993
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: public lands. Occasionally there'll be a situation where maybe there's

994
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: like a small piece of public land that's landlocked and

995
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: inaccessible by the public, and there's been situations where they say, okay,

996
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: well we're going to sell off this twenty or forty

997
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: acres or whatever it is. But this process requires a

998
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: very careful review process. It requires public review and comment.

999
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: And then it also requires that any sale of public lands,

1000
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: those funds go back towards future public land acquisition or work.

1001
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: So if we're going to sell a piece of public land,

1002
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: that revenue will be used for additional better situated public lands,

1003
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: or to improve public land access, whatever it might be.

1004
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of keeping it in the family, right. Well,

1005
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: this sale would mandate the sale of all those acres,

1006
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: and it would jump around that entire process, so there

1007
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: would be none of the public review, there would be

1008
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: none of the public comment an opportunity to influence it.

1009
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: There would be none of the careful kind of red

1010
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: tape that should be necessary to make sure that if

1011
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: we have to sell a piece of public land, it

1012
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: is done for the public's best interest and done in

1013
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: a careful way. And then finally, the funds in this

1014
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: case would not go to any future public land effort.

1015
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: It would just go to the general to the General

1016
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: Treasury fund and be used for lord knows what else.

1017
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: So this sale of five hundred thousand or more acres.

1018
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: We're talking billions of dollars would not go to what

1019
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be, which would be future public

1020
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: access and lands.

1021
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: It would go to whatever.

1022
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: If this were to happen, this would set a new

1023
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: precedent for how future public land sales could be conducted.

1024
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: If this actually went through and got approved, then next

1025
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: time around, who knows what other politician might jump on

1026
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: board and say, well, hey, this has been done before.

1027
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: Here's my two.

1028
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: Million acres that I'd like to use to fund this

1029
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: other project. And someone else comes around the next year

1030
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: and says, all right, well, we've got this issue in

1031
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: such and such state. We don't think that, you know,

1032
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: the federal government should have all these federal public lands here.

1033
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: We should sell these off and pay for our school

1034
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: issue or pay for our whatever issue. That kind of

1035
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: precedent would be really, really dangerous in damaging to our

1036
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: public land system. So because of all that, there was this,

1037
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, this huge uproar about it, a lot a

1038
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: lot of folks talking about a lot of phone calls,

1039
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: made a lot of emails sent, and fortunately it was

1040
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: removed right before the House had to put their vote

1041
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: in for this actual bill. They pulled it out. When

1042
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: they go through this final kind of review of the bill,

1043
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: they were able to rescind that part and the House

1044
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: voted on what was left and that passed the House,

1045
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: and now the bill is in the Senate where the

1046
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: Senate will be debating this new version of the bill

1047
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: now out. The good news that the public land sales out.

1048
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: The bad news is there was a bunch of other

1049
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: junk thrown in there that's really bad for public lands

1050
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: and wildlife and hunting, fishing, and unfortunately, what sucks about

1051
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 2: the situation is that there's so much stuff in there

1052
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: there's no way, like any one of us can you know,

1053
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: keep track of it all and take action on all

1054
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: of it. So because they throw like so much spaghetti

1055
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 2: at the wall, some of it's going to stick because

1056
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: you can't you can't address it all. The thing with

1057
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: the public lands sale, and the reason why you know,

1058
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: we were able to stop it is because it was

1059
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: like one thing that was very clear and obvious, like,

1060
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: this is a problem. The sale of public lands for

1061
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: these two reasons is bad. And everyone could talk about

1062
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: this one thing, and everyone could take action and ask

1063
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: their congressman or woman to vote no on this to

1064
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: do whatever they could to get this out of the bill.

1065
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: And because of that, there was like a ton hundreds

1066
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: of thousands of emails and phone calls were made that

1067
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: got people's attention. When there's like ten or twelve different

1068
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: other slightly smaller issues, that gets lost in the noise,

1069
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 2: you know. So that's the situation we're in right now.

1070
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of stuff that's not great. The question

1071
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: has been in the discussions right now with a bunch

1072
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: of organizations is like, Okay, what do we do to

1073
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: try to get some of these addressed before the Senate votes,

1074
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: because that's our next opportunities.

1075
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 3: If we can get the Senate to remove a few.

1076
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: More things, then when this bill eventually goes to the president,

1077
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: it's not as dangerous as still right now. So I

1078
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: want to bring up two specific things real quick, Tony,

1079
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: thank you for letting me go on my tie right here.

1080
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: Of the of the many different things still in this bill,

1081
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: I want to bring to attention to specifics. One of

1082
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: them is there in your home state, Tony, the Bounder Waters. Yes,

1083
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: the Bounder Waters are freshly endangered. Longtime listeners of the

1084
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: podcast have heard me talk about the bound of waters

1085
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: a lot over the years, I've somehow adopted your home

1086
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: state's cause. But but you know, go back and listen

1087
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 2: to these Bounder of Waters episodes I've done over past

1088
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: years if you're curious about more details.

1089
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: But the short version of the long story.

1090
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: Is that there has been a mine proposed, a sulfide

1091
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: or copper mine proposed right on the border of the

1092
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: Bounder Waters Canoe Area wilderness, which is a water wilderness.

1093
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: It is a water logged lake and stream and river

1094
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: filled incredible, incredible wilderness area. And this mine would be

1095
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: placed on the upstream edge of that watershed. So if

1096
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: there's any pollution from this mine, it flows through the

1097
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: entire system potentially. And no mine of this type has

1098
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: ever been conducted in the past. So every other mine

1099
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: across the world that's used this form of mining, none

1100
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: have avoided pollution issues. Every single one of them have

1101
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: had some kind of significant issue that impaired the environment

1102
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: around it. We're putting one of those, hypothetically right on

1103
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: the edge of the most visited wilderness area in the

1104
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: lower forty Estates nation.

1105
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: So that's problem, and.

1106
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: This very specific ecosystem that's ripe for that pollution because

1107
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 4: of the water.

1108
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's why it's an incredible place

1109
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: to fish for small mouths and pike and trout and

1110
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: walleye and all.

1111
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: Sorts of stuff.

1112
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: It's cold, clean, you know, amazing water that could be

1113
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: threatened here by this thing. So there was this mind

1114
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: those proposed number of years ago. Hunters and anglers and

1115
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: outdoor folks had been fighting it for years and years

1116
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: and years. In twenty twenty three, a mineral withdrawal was

1117
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: put on the Rainy River Watershed, which is the area

1118
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: surrounding us that basically said there will be no mineral withdrawals,

1119
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: no mind like that in this zone for the next

1120
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: twenty years at least. So that saved the boundary waters

1121
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: for the time as of twenty twenty three. Well, they're

1122
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: trying to change that this new bill as is currently

1123
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: written as the Senate is debating it. If it were

1124
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: to pay, it would remove that mineral withdrawal, opening up

1125
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: the entire area again to mining and other things. It

1126
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: would reinstate the leases for this specific mind, so that

1127
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: it could be fast tracked and ray go right away.

1128
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: And it requires future lease sales. Let me make sure

1129
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: I've got my details on this correct. Yeah, so those

1130
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: are the two main things. It removes the mineral withdrawal

1131
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: and reinstates those leases.

1132
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: So all of that.

1133
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: Work that's been done by folks over the last decade

1134
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: ish would be out the door. And the way things

1135
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: are going now, they're really trying to move things very quickly,

1136
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: so there could be you know, real change is coming

1137
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: to the special place relatively quickly if this happens. So

1138
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: number one, like, that's a big one that we as

1139
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: hunters and English could make a difference on. We could

1140
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: call the Senate thing now, So we're calling our senators

1141
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: and letting them know, Hey, the boundary waters is two

1142
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: special places, the wrong it's the wrong mind in the

1143
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 2: wrong place.

1144
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: Well, and so I know that I know that people

1145
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: are going to play Devil's advocate on this and say, well,

1146
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 4: you're using a lot of electronics with copper in it

1147
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: every day, so you're a hypocrite for arguing this. But

1148
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: it's when you dig into this issue specifically, there are

1149
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: copper deposits in a lot of places that could be

1150
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 4: mined where the risk to such a large, sort of

1151
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: very special ecosystem isn't there. Yeah, So it's not like

1152
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 4: we couldn't. It's not like you couldn't advocate for copper

1153
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: mining someplace else to you know, feed the needs of

1154
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: all the different electronics and components all that shit. This

1155
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: is a this is a place where the risk reward

1156
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: is crazy. And it's just that I mean that that Like,

1157
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 4: that's the thing about this specifically, Like this has to

1158
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 4: be done. Somebody's got to mind some copper somewhere this place.

1159
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 4: Maybe not great idea.

1160
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing is like, we of course

1161
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: need resources, we need these things. The job will be

1162
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: for folks like us is to like identify when they're

1163
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: proposing it in a place like this, this too risky,

1164
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: too high value of a location for for other reasons,

1165
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: and advocate as best as we can that that this

1166
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of development is being done in the places where

1167
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: it's safest to do so and most appropriate to do so,

1168
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: not just where it's most convenient or most profitable for

1169
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: a few foreign owned companies. Right right, this is not

1170
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: the place for this, and we still have an opportunity

1171
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: to influence it. So to anyone listening, if you've ever

1172
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: been there, or if you would like to go there somewhere,

1173
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: your you know, your attention, your phone calls, your emails,

1174
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: they're needed right now. If you go to Sportsmen, oh jeez,

1175
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: I should have had this URL. Just look up Sportsmen

1176
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: for the Boundary Waters on Google. They've got probably the

1177
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: best overview of the issue for hunters and anglers to

1178
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: help understand why this is important and what you can do.

1179
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: So that's number one. One other example, real quick of

1180
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: a situation like you're talking about where resource development is

1181
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: needed generally, but this is a place where they're trying

1182
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: to do it that's got a really high risk, and

1183
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: this would be the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

1184
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: The long story short.

1185
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: On this one is that it's basically the absolute crown

1186
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: gem of our public land system in America. It's the largest, wildest,

1187
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 2: most incredible, most undeveloped, last wilderness reservoir we have the nation.

1188
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: It's right up in the northeast corner of Alaska.

1189
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: Right there. The Brooks Range, which is the northernmost kind of.

1190
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: Appendage of the Rocky Mountains, runs across this refuge. You

1191
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: have this unbelievable mountain landscape and then the north slope

1192
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: of it heading into the Arctic Ocean, there is something

1193
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: called the coastal plane. And this is like when you

1194
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: see the videos from like Planet Earth or Our Planet

1195
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: or whatever nature documentary it is, And like when you

1196
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: see the videos of the hundreds of thousands of caribou

1197
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: all migrating, it's this place or place is very nearby

1198
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: and similar. This is where these vast aggregations of caribou

1199
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: are occurring. And caribou are not doing very well across

1200
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: the world right now. I believe I saw that they

1201
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: have declined eighty percent in recent decades. The Porcupine cariber

1202
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: herd is the herd there that utilizes the Arctic National

1203
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: Wildlife Refuge. They are actually doing pretty well right now.

1204
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: They are now the largest remaining caribou herd in the world.

1205
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: But they are dependent on this area called the coastal

1206
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: plane that I mentioned earlier. When the Arctic National Wilife

1207
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: Refuge was created in the like nineteen sixties ish, right

1208
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: around there, it was designated in such a way by

1209
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: Congress that there was a little slice left that was

1210
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: not protected as wilderness. And this little lice was like

1211
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: part of these congressional debates where someone said, well, hey,

1212
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: we'll help you pass this bill, but we want to

1213
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: leave this chunk here that's not designated as wilderness and

1214
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: it will be designated to study for future either future

1215
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: protection or future use for development. Basically, it was open

1216
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: to maybe it'll be wilderness someday, or maybe it'll be

1217
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: open to drilling someday, because that has always been the

1218
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: thing up there's maybe there's oil. And for the fifty

1219
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: years since or whatever it's been, it has been debated

1220
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: like one of the most hotly debated kind of repeated issues,

1221
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: bringing up again and again and again, should the coastal

1222
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: plane of the Arctic Refuge be open for drilling or not?

1223
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: For decades and decades, the outdoor community, conservationists, hunters and anglers, environmentalists,

1224
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards have kind of beaten back repeated

1225
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: attempts to do this. But in twenty seventeen, during one

1226
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: of these budget debates, just like what we're having right now,

1227
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: one of these little riders got slipped in that opened

1228
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: up the coastal plane to drilling for the first time.

1229
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, that was slipped into one of these

1230
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: budget bills, It passed, it got approved, but the most

1231
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: recent administration canceled those leases before anything was done, so

1232
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: right now the Arctic National Wilder Refuge, which is one

1233
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: of the most incredible places to sheep hunt, to fish

1234
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: for all sorts of species, to caribou hunt, to have

1235
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: unbelievable rafting, backpacking, all sorts of incredible trips. Huge, It's

1236
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: like one of the top places that polar bears are

1237
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: left in Alaska. Two hundred thousand plus caribou, there's muskos,

1238
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: there's wolves, there's brown bears, wild wild place. It's safe

1239
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: as of last year. Now riders attached to this new

1240
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: bill that is wanting to open things back up reinstate

1241
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: the leases, mandate lease sales of over four hundred thousand acres,

1242
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: and also strangely enough, removing any ability for public input

1243
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: in judicial review. So somehow, through some interesting language in

1244
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: this new version of this bill, it would remove the

1245
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: ability for the public comment periods and for anyone to

1246
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,479
Speaker 2: have this challenge it in court someday. So not only

1247
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: is it crazy to force this lease sale that for

1248
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: fifty years people have been saying no, no, no, Now

1249
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: they're also trying to remove any ability for the public

1250
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: or people with different perspectives to challenge it at all.

1251
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: So again sets like a super dangerous precedent for how

1252
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: public land issues are dealt with in a place that's

1253
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: like the crown jewel of the dreams of outdoors people.

1254
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of folks aren't going to

1255
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: get to go and see this place. It's kind of

1256
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: like a life list once in a lifetime if you're.

1257
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: A lucky kind of place.

1258
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: But man, knowing something like that is there maybe to

1259
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: someday visit, or just knowing that they're still somewhere that's

1260
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: truly unbelievably wild and available and that these things are happening,

1261
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: that is that's worthwhile. Also, I mentioned the cariber herd's

1262
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: the largest remaining caribou herd. All of the calving that

1263
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: this herd does occurs on the coastal plane. The coastal

1264
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: plane is where they're trying to open up to drilling.

1265
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: So if all of a sudden the calving ground, the

1266
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: place where these creators have to go to have their babies,

1267
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: if that's all of a sudden turn into an oil field,

1268
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: what will happen to the last remaining great caribo herd

1269
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: in the nation? Serious problem. So, if you care about

1270
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: caribou hunting, if you care about having wild places, if

1271
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: you care about just the kind of structural integrity of

1272
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 2: how we deal with public land related issues in this nation,

1273
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: this is another one to be keeping tabs on and

1274
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: to let your center to know, Hey, this is not

1275
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: the right place to do this kind of development.

1276
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,959
Speaker 3: So as far as.

1277
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, I would love folks to say no to

1278
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: this boundary water's mine, and say no to opening up

1279
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Let's keep our last best

1280
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: places healthy and plan and open and accessible. They're not

1281
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: making any more of them, Tony, So this last couple

1282
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: we've got go, we gotta stand strong on.

1283
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say, you know, you alluded to this, right,

1284
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 4: Like most of the people listening to this are never

1285
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 4: going to go up d Aanmar. Most of the people

1286
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 4: listening this are never going to go with the BDW

1287
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 4: in Minnesota and ketching smallies. I don't have any connection

1288
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 4: to public land in Utah and Nevada personally, like I

1289
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: may never hunt either either state. Right, But when you

1290
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 4: keep mentioning the precedent for these kind of things, and

1291
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 4: I always I look at this like I think an

1292
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 4: easy way to sort of contextualize this stuff, you know,

1293
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 4: like we know when something goes away, it doesn't come

1294
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 4: back right, and the outdoors like it just generally doesn't.

1295
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 4: And so I've talked about this a lot where it's

1296
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: like the non resident versus resident thing, and non residents

1297
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 4: don't have any power in any state that they don't

1298
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 4: live in, and so they're an easy target to get

1299
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: rid of. So residents can have better or easier hunting

1300
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 4: for themselves, right, And so that's an easy push to

1301
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 4: make and an easy connection for people to make. But

1302
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 4: what they can't see is when you say, when you

1303
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: bitch about how much pressure there is, and those guys

1304
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: are the problem, and those guys go away, the next

1305
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: step is you guys are the problem because people are

1306
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 4: still going to be bitching. So you think that that's

1307
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 4: a win, But the precedent is set that you can

1308
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: use that excuse as like, there's too much pressure on

1309
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 4: public land. We need to get rid of people because

1310
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 4: the quality of the experience is down. You may have

1311
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 4: a very valid gripe there, but you've also once you've

1312
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 4: taken away one component and you've said, now you guys

1313
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 4: who live across state lines, you're very limited or you're

1314
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 4: going to pay you know, twenty five times what we

1315
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: pay or fifty times what we pay. You've set that

1316
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 4: precedent that this problem can be remedied by removing pressure.

1317
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 4: And the next step is you. And so when you

1318
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 4: celebrate that and go, well, now these guys won't be

1319
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 4: coming in and hunting my stuff, you think that that

1320
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 4: problem is going to go away. There's still going to

1321
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 4: be a lot to urban sprawl. You know, that's going

1322
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 4: to increase pressure on locking up land for the people

1323
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 4: who are paying that higher price. Like it's not it'll

1324
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 4: be like a temporary reprieve, but that's coming for you.

1325
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 4: And that's a precedent. And the same thing like when

1326
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 4: you talk about this bill for selling off land that

1327
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 4: most whitetail hunters don't give a shit about it all

1328
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 4: in two states where nobody's going to white tail hunt, right,

1329
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 4: it's not. It's easy to sort of be disconnected from

1330
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 4: that and go, well, I don't really care if they

1331
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 4: sell off some land there. But that's not the point.

1332
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 4: The point is that your state could be up next,

1333
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: and when that happens and it's in your backyard, then

1334
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 4: it's a different deal. And I know it's like hard.

1335
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 4: I know that kind of sounds like pandering or whatever.

1336
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 4: But like when these precedents are set, things change and

1337
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 4: generally not for the better. And I will say this,

1338
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 4: you know, I know people view that one specifically in

1339
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 4: the Anmar thing, and b like these are all like

1340
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 4: politically muddy, right, Like they're politically muddy. We're very try

1341
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 4: Bible people want to take a side. But I just

1342
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: look at some of this stuff and I go like,

1343
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 4: some of these issues are just like we just have

1344
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: to you just have to like look inside and be like,

1345
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 4: do you really want uh resource extraction in some of

1346
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 4: these places that are just left that like we can

1347
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 4: do we can get these resources other ways. And you're

1348
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 4: trusting politicians on either side to decide what's best there,

1349
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 4: or you're trusting politicians to sell off public land. Like

1350
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 4: who do you think they're going to sell some of

1351
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 4: that stuff to their buddies? Right, Like there's gonna there's

1352
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 4: gonna be some bad elements to this on both sides,

1353
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 4: and I just it's it's a dangerous game. And so

1354
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 4: like like to maybe frame this up the best is

1355
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 4: like think about that precedent and not what it means

1356
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: just for the hunters of that state or just for

1357
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 4: this one off event that could take half a million

1358
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 4: acres off the public goal and put in private. Think

1359
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 4: about it in a broader scope, because this stuff's coming

1360
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 4: for us, and it's just so frustrating. It's easy to

1361
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 4: sort of be shortsighted on this, and I get it,

1362
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: Like we all have a lot of stuff going on

1363
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 4: in life, and life is hard, right, like people, life

1364
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 4: is hard. But when you look at things like that

1365
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 4: and go like, man, that like public land is a gift.

1366
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: You know, if you allow people elected officials to decide

1367
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 4: the fate of it over there, when that comes for

1368
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 4: you, you you could be in trouble. And then you know,

1369
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 4: and if not you, your kids, and that that's a

1370
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: big risk, man. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there's you know, those of us who care about

1372
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: this stuff who actually had like a real personal connection

1373
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 2: to public land or hunting or fishing or whatever it

1374
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: might be. We're a relatively small group of folks, right,

1375
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 2: Or those of us who think that you know, a

1376
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: place like the Boundary Waters would be better off healthy

1377
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: and protected versus just being like maximized for the very

1378
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: most dollars per year. Right, Business interests, the momentum of

1379
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: capitalism and all these kinds of things that of course

1380
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: we need to live. But like that momentum is constantly

1381
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: putting pressure on these things, and if you look back

1382
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: over the last couple hundred years, you can see what's

1383
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: happened largely has not been good for these things that

1384
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: we care about. So because of that, if we're ever

1385
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: going to occasionally be able to tap the brakes and

1386
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: protect some of these spots or these rights or these opportunities,

1387
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: it's going to require like all of us. I think

1388
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: that more and more we're going to find, like the

1389
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: hunting and fishing community kind of has to look like

1390
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: at any attack at these things as being an attack

1391
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: on all of us. Like, Okay, mountain lion hunting in Colorado,

1392
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: maybe I'm never going to go there, but I know that, hey,

1393
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: this is a precedent setting issue that if that gets banned,

1394
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: they could impact our stuff someday. Just like what you're saying,

1395
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: if we lose the boundary waters in this kind of way,

1396
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: if we lose hundreds of thousands of acres sold in

1397
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: this kind of way, it could.

1398
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: Impact us someday.

1399
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: If it's you know, whatever it is, it's it's going

1400
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: to require all hunters and anglers. Where As many of

1401
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: us as we can possibly get to kind of chip

1402
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: in and do their part every time around, so that

1403
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: when it's your pet issue or your special place, you

1404
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 2: can count on the rest of folks from other places

1405
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 2: or with other interests to jump in and do their part.

1406
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 4: Two.

1407
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: I think that's where we're gonna be heading in the

1408
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: next five, ten, twenty years. If we're ever going to

1409
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: be able to keep some of these things that are

1410
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: important to our way of life, it's going to require

1411
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 2: us starting to act like a big family. Even if

1412
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 2: we do some different things and we live some different places,

1413
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 2: we all kind of need to chip in and do

1414
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: our part on every one of these issues as much

1415
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: as we possibly can, right.

1416
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll say this on the public land thing

1417
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 4: because people I have this conversation a lot, like specifically

1418
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 4: around public land way tales. When I was when I

1419
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: first started deer hunting in Minnesota when I was twelve,

1420
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 4: we had my dad and I had permission on two

1421
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 4: pretty huge properties or like big enough where we were

1422
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 4: not we were doing well right at different areas, so

1423
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: we could hunt one close to town and one was

1424
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 4: more like a weekend thing. But like we were spoiled.

1425
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 4: It was awesome. And when I turned fourteen right before

1426
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 4: the season, so I had those for two years. Both

1427
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 4: of those properties changed hands and we lost them. So

1428
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 4: we literally went from like we weren't going to run

1429
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 4: out of land to hunt that was private and good

1430
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 4: to having I sat on opening day. I'll never forget

1431
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 4: it in the pouring rain, watching squirrel hunters on public

1432
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 4: land and just being like this whole paradigm shift in

1433
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 4: my life at that point. And I talk to people

1434
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: and I know you do too, a lot who are like,

1435
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 4: they don't hunt public right They hunt Gramma's farm, they

1436
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 4: hunt somewhere else. They only hunt deer, maybe turkeys, whatever

1437
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 4: whatever's available on that property, and so they don't have

1438
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 4: quite the connection to public And I'm like, that public

1439
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 4: land that you don't hunt right now, not only is

1440
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 4: it a lot of people's only place to hunt, but

1441
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 4: it's also a hedge against not hunting. You might find

1442
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where all of a sudden you

1443
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 4: need that for some reason, and when you do, you

1444
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 4: want it there. And I know that's like a there's

1445
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 4: like a fear factor to that, but it's like it's

1446
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 4: absolutely true. So you you might not utilize it at

1447
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 4: all right now, so you see very little value in it,

1448
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of people who that's when

1449
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: they go hunting. They don't have grandma's farm. They can't

1450
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 4: afford the lease, right, Like, so it's just like, man,

1451
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 4: we just need it, like we just need to look

1452
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: at that like it is our every one of us,

1453
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 4: Like it's a hedge against not doing what we love,

1454
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 4: because there is a world in which if that goes away,

1455
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 4: your private stuff goes away too. And without that, what

1456
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 4: are you going to do? Golf? No thanks, screw that.

1457
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's I think that's a good

1458
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: place for us to, uh, to wrap some of this up.

1459
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: More on this topic to come in the future. In

1460
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks after Actually, me and Cal are

1461
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: going to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. We got invited

1462
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: to join a trip up there to kind of see

1463
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: this place and experience it ourselves to be able to

1464
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: bring those stories and that perspective back to the rest

1465
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: of the world.

1466
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 4: So me and mister Callahan.

1467
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: Are going to check it out here in mid June

1468
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: and report back to everyone with what we saw and

1469
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 2: experienced and learned.

1470
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 3: So stay tuned on that front.

1471
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, let your senators know there's some

1472
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: places that are not the right place for this stuff.

1473
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: And we're all a big family. Let's chip in when

1474
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: we can, So.

1475
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 3: Tony, any final thoughts from you before we wrap it up.

1476
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: I think we're good, buddy. I think we covered a

1477
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 4: lot of stuff, all right.

1478
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: Man, it's good catching up and to everyone listening, appreciate

1479
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: you being here.

1480
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in.

1481
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: It's going to be a fun summer as we ride

1482
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: this roller coaster that's rising and momentum as we approach

1483
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: the fall, which unbelievably is knock on our door. So

1484
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: appreciate you and until next time, stay wired to hunt.

1485
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:06,880
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