1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: If people think the country is on the wrong track 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: and are upset, it's usually really bad news to the party. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: In college. The Democrats had a very difficult challenge on 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: their hands when it comes to the mid term Bloomberg 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: Sound On, Politics, Policy, and first head from DC's top names. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: If I pick, there's a lot of pendrup demand for 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: electing a woman hand. I think two could be the 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: hear of the woman. I see this demand that we 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: have today as the baseline for the future could mean 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: to our economy is roaring back. Bloomberg Sound On with 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. When do we get a 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: dull day? I mean, really, does that happen anymore? In Washington? 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be too cute right off the top, 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: but it has been another doozy here in the capital city, 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: with the House voting on a bill today to fund 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: government operations. Gosh, about twenty four hours before a possible shutdown. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: We're really we're really talking about this thanks to possible 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: trouble waiting in the Senate, as we warned you about yesterday. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: We'll have the latest from our team on the Hill 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: coming up. Emily Wilkins. Jack Fitzpatrick will be here and 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it as well in just 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: a moment with Bill Hoaglands of the Bipartisan Policy Center 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to get a sense of what in the world is 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: going on all this today as President Biden rolls out 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: as planned to fight COVID this winter following now a 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: third known case of OH macron here in the US. 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later in the hour with Patrice Harris, 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: former president of the American Medical Association. The panel today, 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeannie Chanzano whether us for the hour 31 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: along with George c if Annandale Capital, and we're gonna 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: dig down as promised into the president's latest plan to 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: fight COVID this winter, as we learn of now the 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: second and third cases O Macron here in the US, 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota and now Colorado. But we also want to update 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: you first on this possible shutdown. It came out of 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: nowhere really yesterday, as we learned a small number of 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Republican Senators were threatening to block a short term government 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: funding bill over a objections to federal vaccine and testing mandates. 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Speaker Nancy Pelosi today, says the House is doing its job. 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Votes happening today the Senate another matter. There are those 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: on the other side of the aisle who have this 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: anti vax plan. It's anti science. It would remove all 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: COVID safety protections, that would end vaccination requirements, that people 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: get shots in the arms, and make workplaces safe. It's 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: a defiance of science and public health. And that's what 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: we're up against. And guess who agrees. Mitch McConnell, the 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: Senate minority leader, as he expressed earlier on Fox News, Yeah, 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: we're not going to shut the government down. That makes 50 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: no sense for anyone. Almost no one on either side 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: thinks that's a good idea. Okay, not that he doesn't 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: agree with his members who oppose the president's COVID mandates. 53 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: He just thinks it's a matter for the courts. I 54 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: don't think shutting down the government over this issue is 55 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: going to get an outcome. It would only create chaos 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: and uncertainty. So I don't think that's the best vehicle 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: to get this job done. I think the courts are 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: likely to get it done or will pass early next 59 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Week's free standing, a measure to overturn the government mandate. 60 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: And you better believe President Biden is aware of all 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: of this, even brought it up during his COVID speech today. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Some of them, my friends on the other team, are 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: arguing that if I don't commit that there'll never be 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: any more mandates. They're gonna let us defall in the 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: neighborhood I came from in Clemont, they'd look at me 66 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: and say, go figure, Go figure, go figure. So how 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: does this end? Bloomberg Government's Jack Fitzpatrick is with us 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: right now live from Capitol Hill, where he has been 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: roaming the halls in breaking news once again today. Jack. 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: It's great to have you back. We wanted to start 71 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the program with you because you've got your finger here 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: on the als. Assuming this passes the House, what happens 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: after them? The big question, and yes, it does look 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: like this is probably going to pass the House. The 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: big question then is what they can do in the Senate. 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: The offer from these conservative senators is we can let 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: this move quickly enough to pass through the Senate before 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: the deadline if you give us a vote on an 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: amendment to add a measure to it that would block 80 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: the OCEHA vaccine and testing requirement with a simple majority threshold, 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: which is different than what you usually see in the 82 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Senate where it takes sixty votes, especially to attach something 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: to a major bill like this. The question then is 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: do Democrats go along with it? And I think the 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: most relevant question related to that is can they keep 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: all of the Democrats from voting for such an amendment. 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: You could imagine a Joe Mansion or another moderate person 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: siding with Republicans against vaccine mandates. And if they can 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: address that and circle the wagons and say, well, we'll 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: keep all our votes, maybe it's not the worst things 91 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: thing for Democrats to give them that simple majority threshold. 92 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: But this really, I think depends on that whip count 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: that they're very likely doing to see what the outcome 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: would be of that kind of vote. Wow, this is 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: mind numbing. Last time we spoke to this time yesterday, Jack, 96 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: the likelihood of at least a temporary shutdown maybe the 97 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: weekend you thought was pretty real. Where are you today? 98 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: It's still significant. The fact that Senator McConnell clearly does 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: not expect something on this, does not expect to shut down, 100 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: does mean something. It is it is possible that they 101 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: will go to people like Senator Manson and any other 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: moderate Democrats who might flip and say, you will have 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: another chance to oppose vaccine mandates with a separate vote, 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: and maybe that's good enough for them. And then they 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: they hold the line, they give this amendment vote which 106 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: then would fail, and that would allow this all to 107 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: to pass through relatively quickly. That's their opportunity. But that's 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: pretty complicated. So yes, there there's still absolutely as a 109 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: chance of a brief sutdown that could last a few days. 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick of Bloomberg Government and this program Bloomberg Sound On. 111 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: We thank Jack for the update, Good luck with your coverage, 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: look for his work on the terminal as always, as 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: we now bring in someone who has seen this movie before, 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: maybe a different version. We could be in the sequel here, 115 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Bill Hoagland. But I want to welcome back the senior 116 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: vice president at the Bipartisan Policy Institute. He's with us 117 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: now on sound On, having spent a good generation on 118 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. Bill, you must be scratching your head. Who's 119 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: in control at this point? Is that the leadership or 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: the rank and file? Uh? Good to be with you, Joe. 121 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: It's it's right now. I still think it's the leadership. 122 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the leadership still makes 123 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: it makes the final decision. Yes, Mr McConnell and Mr 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Schumer have their hands full right now, particularly Mr McConnell 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: with his caucus, But I still think that at the 126 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: end of the day, the leadership will went out here. 127 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Um as I think Jack was just saying that there 128 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: will be an opportunity here for people to vent and 129 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: vote on maybe an amendment or something. But at the 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, as it relates to the shutdown, 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not I'm not of the mindset that I 132 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: just heard Jack say. I am of the mindset that 133 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: this will be resolved and the House has passed it 134 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: and the Senate will pass it. Also on the McConnell 135 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: will win at the end of the day that because 136 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: McConnell does not want to shut down, nobody benefits from 137 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: a shutdown, and particularly this over this issue, which is 138 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: frankly my perspective and I'm not a lawyer, is in 139 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the courts to be decided right now. Well, that's what 140 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: Minch McConnell says as well. So to your point, what 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: happens if we get a little temporary thing to three 142 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: days here? Does that matter in the grand scheme? A 143 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: weekend shutdown bill Uh, As you said, Joe, I've been 144 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: through this before, a weekend shut down is nothing, I 145 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: don't think. I think to the extent that there is 146 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: a shutdown, it will be very brief h Saturday, maybe Sunday, 147 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: and if there is somebody that's trying to filibuster, they'll 148 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: talk for a while. But this will be a very 149 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: short shutdown if if any at all, and go into 150 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: the books. Is uh, not even really much of a deal. 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: I think there are bigger issues that they have to 152 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: deal with, and quite frankly, they want to move on. 153 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: This is a waste, quite frankly, a waste of time. 154 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: They've got the debt limit they have to deal with. 155 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Schumer wants to still work on getting the build back 156 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: better done. There's so much more important things to do here. 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Then the agreement has been reached on how long to 158 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: do this extension to the end of February early February. 159 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: So let's let's move on and and and get to 160 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: the real business at hand in terms of the debt limit, 161 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: which to me is more important frankly in terms of 162 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: impact that that we can shut down and probably a 163 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: lot more complicated to resolve here. You spent twenty five 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: years on the US Senate staff, Bill Hoglan. What kind 165 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: of conversations are happening behind the scenes when such a 166 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: small number of the Republican membership in this case is 167 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: standing in the way, well not privy to the the 168 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: discussions in the caucus rooms and things that that's going 169 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: on right now. My guess is that there's a little 170 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: bit of a of a stand hof between excuse me, 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: standoff between the members who are are making this stand 172 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Senator Lee and others. I just think that's probably, if anything, 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of uh. A lot of myth people 174 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: are angry within the caucus, um, I'm sure, and the 175 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: at least in the Republican caucus against for those who 176 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: are holding this UH continuing resolution up, because as I 177 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: say this, it does not look good for Republicans at 178 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: all long term. I think that's why Mr McConnell, the 179 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: Minority leader, is saying we're not gonna have a shutdown, 180 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: and just it's just not play well politically long term. 181 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think I don't think anybody benefits from it. 182 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: Bill Hogland, Senior vice president at the Bipartisan Policy Institute 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: with us On Bloomberg. Sound On, I'm Joe, Matthew and 184 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: Washington as we wait for the votes to come in here. 185 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned the debt ceiling bill. Uh. Where are we 186 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: going with this now? Obviously this has been something that's 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: gone on for months. Democrats could have taken care of 188 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: this last summer. Are we walking up to the cliff again? 189 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: And will Mitch McConnell get involved this time? All I 190 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: keep hearing is that he's in talks with Chuck Schumer. 191 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: No one seems to be doing a lot of posturing 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: about it. Well, I think we are going to get 193 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: rather close once again to the the cliff. My Present 194 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: Policy Center will be issuing its estimate here early tomorrow morning. 195 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: And what what we're dealing with. The Congressional Budget Office 196 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: has said you have to act by the end of December. 197 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: They do want to get out of here for the holidays. 198 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: I think they do want to get out of here 199 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: for the holidays. Uh. And so that this is going 200 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: to the discussions that yes, you're absolutely correct, discussions are 201 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: going on very privately between Schumer and Mr McConnell. And 202 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: I do believe that they're trying to keep it out 203 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: of quite frankly, out of the press and out of 204 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: the partisanship that could develop. And for I believe that 205 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: the two of them are going to work out a 206 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: deal here that will allow for some form of an extension, 207 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: if nothing else, in an extension as long as the 208 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: continuing resolutely through and we'll kick this can again. We 209 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: will not. I cannot, for the love of me, believe 210 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: in God green Earth that we would default. Uh Ever, 211 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: as I say this is that would be the worst 212 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: possible outcome from a from a financial perspective going forward. 213 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: But they are working on it behind the scenes. That's 214 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: why I say that mcconne wants to get this cr 215 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: out of the way so they can get them resolved 216 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: exactly probably next week. We hope that we'll be reporting 217 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: on that next We Bill hug them many things. Senior 218 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: VP at the Bipartisan Policy Center with us on Bloomberg, 219 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: and we now turned to a member of Congress. It's 220 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: a one to three punch here at the beginning of 221 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: sound On, as we welcome Congressman war and Davidson, Republican 222 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: from Ohio. Congressman, I know you're in the throes of votes. 223 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: So we thank you for dropping whatever you were up 224 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: to and grabbing the phone to talk with us. Is 225 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: this continuing resolution in a past the House? Uh? Yeah, 226 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: it'll pass the House. I don't think Democrats need our 227 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: votes to do it, So I think we're good on um. 228 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: You know there the cr passing or they you know, 229 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Democrats are good on it. It's not the Republican version. 230 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: It's going to be the Democrat version. I don't know 231 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: where's that a land with what McConnell and Schumer have 232 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: agreed upon, but presumably there's at least a three way deal. 233 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that Kevin McCarthy is part of the 234 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: deal understood, and I might have been better off to 235 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: start more broadly, Are you concerned about a shutdown? Are 236 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: you concerned about the conversation happening in the Senate, or 237 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: do you think this is gonna come together over the weekend. 238 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by the conversation happening in the Senate, and 239 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: I think Mike Lee is really pushing a good initiative here, 240 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: which is, you know, people act like the Congress has 241 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: had a voice in all this Congress hasn't had a 242 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: voice there's a continuing resolution. So Congress hasn't agreed to 243 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: fund the mandates, the COVID nineteen mandates and or any 244 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: number of other executive actions from the administration. This is 245 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the one that Roger Marshall led the initial letter on 246 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: and said we shouldn't fund these COVID nineteen mandates. There 247 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: are five and so, uh, this is really shall we 248 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: fund the government with mandates or shall we fund the 249 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: government without mandates? It's I think, being falsely characterized as 250 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: an effort to shut down the government. It's which way 251 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: shall we fund the government? But if a shutdown is 252 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: the result here is is that the best way to 253 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: handle this? Or do you think, like like Senator McConnell says, 254 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: that should be handled in the courts, I don't think 255 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: it should be handled in the court. So that would 256 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: be Congress completely ignoring their Article one Constitutional duty in particular, 257 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: were the ones with the power of the purse. And 258 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: when you say, well, one side pushed the shutdown versus 259 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: the other, no, I mean it's stubbornness on both sides. 260 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: It really is a game of brinksmanship. But it's like, really, 261 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: you would rather shut the government down, uh than withdraw 262 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: the mandates. Three of the five have already been enjoined 263 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: by the courts, So it really seems like the momentum 264 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: legally is on the side of the people that say 265 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: we should fund the government without the mandates. Sure, it's 266 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: it's amazing the semantics here because you can you can 267 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: spin this around as you just did, and and say 268 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: this in both different directions. I want you to hear 269 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: and you likely did already, Congressman what Speaker Pelosi had 270 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: to say about this today. This is so silly. This 271 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: is so silly that we had people who are anti science, 272 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: anti vaccination saying they're going to shut down government over that, 273 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: and you're asking me, what's our message. Our message is 274 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: that we have to respect governance and we have to 275 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: respect science, and that's what we are doing, and we 276 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: will pass this legislation. Congressman Davidson, when you hear that, 277 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: do you do you worry about Republicans being blamed for 278 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: a shotdown if that's what happens, well, that's generally what happens. 279 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: If Republicans fight on anything, they get blamed by frankly, 280 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: Democrats and their co conspirators in the legacy media generally, 281 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I've appreciated Bloomberg covers it pretty straight, 282 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I was wondering if I was part 283 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: of the legacy media. I think Bloomberg's really got given 284 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: a great alternative here, and you know, really one of 285 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: the places that's reporting facts and and so my my 286 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: point in this is if you look at her false argument, 287 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: the people that are opposed to COVID nineteen mandates aren't 288 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: opposed to vaccines. I mean, the bill to fund the 289 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: vaccine development past like four sixteen to seven in the House. Uh, 290 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: there's broad support for developing the vaccines and for you 291 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: being able to choose the vaccine. There's not broad support 292 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: for the idea that you have to show your papers 293 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: to be able to be served dinner by Congressman. Could 294 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: you imagine a couple of years ago the two of 295 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: us have in this conversation. I mean, is there is 296 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: there some madness to this that we're that we're connecting 297 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: it though to government funding. I'm assuming your answers, No, 298 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's madness at all. It's like, which 299 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: sort of government should we have. I think we should 300 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: have a government that it's not mandating that people do 301 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: these things. But there's obviously a lot of the government 302 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: to be funded here that has nothing to do with 303 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: the mandates. You know that the implications of a shutdown 304 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: are are are quite broad, obviously, And when if this 305 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: is going to come down to a vaccine mandate argument, 306 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: why not once again send it to the courts figure 307 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: that out in the meantime and let the government function. 308 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: Why doesn't Why does no one want to be represented 309 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: by their Congress. That's why Congress has meant to such 310 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: a low approval rating. They do nothing, even the one 311 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: thing they're supposed to do, which is fund the government. 312 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: I hear arguments from people making the case you're trying 313 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: to make right now in the form of a question, 314 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: why don't you just fold? Why don't you just come 315 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: here and do what you're told and go home? No 316 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: one in America would win a congressional race campaigning on 317 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: coming here and doing what they're told. We all come 318 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: here to fight to represent our districts, and broadly, broadly, 319 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: in particular, rural America does not want to be led 320 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: by people saying, show us your papers so you can 321 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: be served dinners, so you can get on a train, 322 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: so you can fly a U get on a flight, 323 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: and Democrats are saying that's not what's here. The mandates 324 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: behind it is exactly where it had. Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, 325 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, they all said they were never gonna mandate it. 326 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: They said it was unethical. Dr Fauci said it. They 327 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: were all on the other side of this issue just 328 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: this spring. Agree with Congressman war You did a did 329 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: a wonderful job articulating the argument here, Congressman, and I 330 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: thank you for that, Warren Davidson, Republican from Ohio, who 331 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: also told us that this will likely pass the House. 332 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: The question, of course, is what happens next door in 333 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: the Senate. And if you didn't understand this argument, but 334 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: for this broadcast, you probably do now. And we're gonna 335 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: pose this to the panel. Genie is with us, as 336 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: I mentioned Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Shenzana, who was listening 337 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: to our conversations at this point of the broadcast. George 338 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: c Is here to co founder chairman of Annadale Capital, 339 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: former senior advisor to Marco Rubio presidential campaign. All right, Jennie, 340 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my head around all of this 341 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: now without making a statement. As the congressman suggested, this 342 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: bill is going to pass the House. From what we're 343 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: hearing from our reporting from Jack Fitzpatrick and others on 344 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: the terminal, it may not pass the Senate. We may 345 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: have a shutdown this weekend. Is anyone going to care? 346 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: I think Americans are starting to sort of be comfortable 347 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: with these I'm starting to think so too. The government 348 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: shutdown is not what it used to be like. It's 349 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: not I mean, I remember, you know, ten years ago 350 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: and there were threats of these shutdowns. It was all 351 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: the rage, all the news. I talked to many many 352 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: students today and it was sort of a yawn though, 353 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: work it out, so you know. So I do think 354 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: Americans are you know, and I don't think there's necessarily 355 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: a good thing getting used to this, but it is 356 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: quite I mean, just those conversations you just had, we're 357 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: fascinating because what we're looking at is a small number 358 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: one person in the Senate who can stop the entire 359 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: government from moving forward and keeping us out of a shutdown. 360 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: That to me, I always ask myself, is this any 361 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: way to run a government? No way? So, you know, 362 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: and that's not to blame either anybody in there or 363 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: any side. It's to say structurally, there's a big problem. 364 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: George Seeda's Congressman Davidson have a point here that Congress 365 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: should in fact play a role in deciding whether Americans 366 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: should be mandated by way of government funding. You know, 367 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: I want to come back to your point earlier that 368 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Americans are getting used to this. I I don't think 369 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: that's really quite accurate. I think Americans have been discussed 370 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: with these procedural delays, in last minute deadlines and political 371 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: bickering for quite some time. I think they've become numb 372 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: to it at this point, though the disgust is dissipated 373 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: in in their their numb to it. And I think 374 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: these things are non substantive and are good to talk 375 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: about for a brief matter of time. But the fact is, 376 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: where a triple A credit, the government will be funded 377 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: and any default will be very short lived default or shutdown? 378 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Are you are you adding the debt limit to that 379 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: as well? Because I was going to ask both of 380 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: you if people don't care as much about a shutdown 381 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: story because they're so used to them, and we have 382 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: real stuff to worry about with a possible UH debt 383 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: ceiling default coming up, Jenny, That is a real concern, 384 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: and I do think the shutdown is a real concern. 385 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: But I do think they're gonna push their way through it. 386 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: You know, I agree that they McConnell and the leadership 387 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: will prevail on this, even if it's shut down briefly. 388 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: The debt ceiling is another I mean, sorry, the debt 389 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: is another issue. The debt ceiling is another issue. That 390 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: is something that is an enormous threat to the United States, 391 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: particularly at this point. And I can't remember a time 392 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: in modern history when we've been seemingly this close with 393 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: no off ramp, even if you just look at the 394 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: calendar itself, taking everything aside. So I do think that's 395 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: a real concern. How about that, George. Are we getting 396 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: to the point where people are savvy enough to tell 397 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: the difference to your point, numb on a government shutdown conversation, 398 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: but but very concerned about a default. Yeah, And I 399 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: do think that's a concern. On a default in the 400 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: short term is really not subsident. We were in good 401 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: shape for the time being built. I had lunch with 402 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: quite a few sophisticated folks yesterday who are really plugged 403 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: into leaders and both parties, and they were saying, and 404 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: I would echo that, that we're losing sight of the 405 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: long term game, that the the the once in a 406 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: century tsunami hurricane is on the horizon. And what that 407 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: is is no entitlement reform, uh ongoing depths of spending 408 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: and a debt burden that is getting larger and larger 409 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: and larger and a bit so will become unsustainable and 410 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: we will default on our debt at some point, whether 411 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: it's soft or hard depends on the circumstances. But because 412 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: that's still off in the future, people especially career politicians, 413 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: should pretend it's just not happening and ignore it. And 414 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: that's that's a travesty. So so if we're not being 415 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: substant for you here, George, is that what you're referring to. 416 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: It's it's excess spending. It's it's a long term debt 417 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: and the lack of entitlement reform. The entitlements will kill 418 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: us all eventually because we can't afford them. We're pretending 419 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: that we can and we can't. George c Ntadelle capital 420 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: with us for the hour, along with Jeanie Shenzano. Of course, 421 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor. I'm gonna try to keep this substant 422 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: for the hour, the fastest hour in politics. Will get 423 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: an update on traffic and the markets on the way, 424 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna turn to President Biden's speech today on 425 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: COVID and a Macron and we're going to do that 426 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: with somebody in the know. As we mentioned a little 427 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: bit earlier, Patrice Harris, former President American Medical Association. Up next, 428 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg broadcasting live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg 429 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: to New York, Bloomberg eleven, trio to Boston, Bloomberg one 430 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: O six one to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine six to 431 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: the country, Serious XM Channel one nine and around the 432 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: globe the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. 433 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew bo headline 434 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: on the terminal, Biden calls on us to expand shots 435 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: boosters to fight surge. You heard the address live on Bloomberg, 436 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: and coming up, we'll walk you through what you need 437 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: to know from this, what we might expect to head 438 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: share insights in a special conversation with Dr Patrice Harris, 439 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: former president of the American Medical Association. President Biden left 440 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: the White House today to roll out his plan to 441 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: fight COVID this winter. This is the speech he promised 442 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: on Monday when we all heard him speak for the 443 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: first time about oh Macron. Today he dressed a crowd 444 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: of medical professionals at the National Institutes of Health. Today, 445 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm back to announce our action planned to battle COVID nineteen. 446 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: This winner not that any of it's a surprising of us, 447 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: because it's the combined advice from all of you that 448 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: we developed this plan. And it doesn't include shutdowns or lockdowns, 449 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: but widespread vaccinations and boosters and testing. A lot more 450 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: interesting right off the top with the coveat there will 451 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: be no shutdowns or lockdowns. As he got to the 452 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: five point plan. Remember the beginning of September was the 453 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: six pronged plan. Today, the five point plan has largely 454 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: to do with increased testing, and that does include, as 455 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier in the week, those traveling into the 456 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: country from outside of the US have to show a 457 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: negative result within a day of getting on an airplane. 458 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: Also had a lot to do with boosters. Increasing the 459 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: availability of boosters for Americans, adding to the number of 460 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: search teams out in communities and helping, as he put it, 461 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: to fact sinate the world. We're joined right now by 462 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: an expert on all of this, Dr Patrice Harris, was 463 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: president of the American Medical Association when COVID first emerged, 464 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: now CEO of the company EMAD. Doctor, it's great to 465 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: have you today. I wonder what your thoughts are on 466 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: this the President speaking to Americans largely in a vacuum 467 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: of information. It will be weeks before we get a 468 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: lot of new information on the new variant here. He 469 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: could have arguably delivered this speech even before we learned 470 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: about O Macron. And so, how worried are you about 471 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: this winter? Doctor? Well, I am concerned about this winter, 472 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: and have been for some time, because we knew that 473 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: as we were returning to work and to school and 474 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: we're likely to be indoors during the winter months, that 475 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: they're likely would be a resurgence of not only COVID, 476 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: and of course we've been in the midst of this delta, sir, 477 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: but also the flu. So I am concerned, as everyone 478 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: is concerned. We've seen just in the last twenty four 479 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: hours three cases by the way, there will be more, 480 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: but the key question is what are we going to do. 481 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: We should use uh this time to prepare and not 482 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: panic and act and the things uh that we know. 483 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: The President outlines some today vaccinations. We need everyone to 484 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: get vaccinated and get their boosters when they're eligible, wearing 485 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: masks where appropriate, ventilation, and testing. I was so very 486 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: glad to see this increased emphasis on testing. You know, 487 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: it's been critical from the beginning and now even more critical. 488 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that specifically. Before I do, 489 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: I just want to let our listeners know that the 490 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: House has voted to pass that government funding bill would 491 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: fund the governments to February eighteenth, not a huge shock. 492 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: As we told you at the beginning of this hour. 493 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: It's cleared the House. The Senate is next in that. 494 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: It's another matter, Doctor when it comes to specifics about testing. 495 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought it up because that was largely, uh, 496 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: some of the real news in this address today. And 497 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: while vaccines, I know, are critically important, arguably the most 498 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: important tool we have, a lot of people have argued 499 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: that we have not used testing to its fullest ability, 500 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: and we've actually uh, we've actually been held back by 501 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: at the president today now is is really leaning into 502 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: at home tests. Here's what he said. Health insurers must 503 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: cover the cost of at home testing, so that if 504 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: you're one of the hundred fifty million Americans with private 505 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: health insurance, next month, your plan will cover at home test. 506 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Private insurers already cover the expensive PCR test and that 507 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: you get into the doctor's office, and now they will 508 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: cover at home test as well. Dr Harris, how important 509 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: is that? Can you put that in perspective for us 510 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: as we already now see here on the second of 511 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: December rising case loads in cold weather states. Well, you 512 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the pandemic, and I recall 513 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: being a very concerned that we did not have adequate 514 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: testing and we didn't have that concerted all in approach 515 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: on testing because it's always been about using all of 516 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: the tools in our toolbox. Of course, at the very 517 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic, we did not have vaccinations, but 518 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: we had and actually we did not have an adequate 519 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: supply of testing. So we should continue to make sure 520 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: we are using all mitigation measures, and so I applaud 521 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: the Biden administration again, Um, we cannot over emphasized testing 522 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: and you mentioned I'm CEO of EMAD, but again, public 523 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: health professionals and physicians, everyone, UM is in agreement that 524 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: testing is a critical piece of the puzzle. And certainly 525 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: we've had some rules around return from internationals apple. UM. 526 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I was glad to see that we are going to 527 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: continue to require testing as well as have some testing 528 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: when people return, you know, as we return to school 529 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: and work. You know, there's been a lot of conversation 530 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: about the OSHA RU rules and and I hope ultimately UM, 531 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, we have some clarification on those OSHA rules 532 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: because vaccines, again a piece of the puzzle, but testing 533 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: a critical piece of the puzzle. And by the way, 534 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: it's not just the tests. It's also the infrastructure and 535 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: our ability to verify and validate testing. But it's also 536 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: the y doctor when we when it comes to testing, 537 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: it's not just knowing whether you have culvid or not. 538 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: This is the way to control spread. This is a 539 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: way for the authorities, for the experts to be able 540 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: to respond to a surge. Right, That's almost as important 541 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: as as getting people vaccinated. Absolutely, you know, you have 542 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: individuals who need to know and then make decisions right, 543 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: they make decisions about whether or not they should go 544 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: to work, to school. But testing has also been critical 545 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: for our public health to easily identify outbreaks and then 546 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: do what they can to mitigate those outbreaks. And so 547 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the knowledge is critical, but it's not just having the knowledge. 548 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: We didn't need to use that knowledge to make decisions 549 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: and act, and that's why testing is important. Um. And 550 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: again individual knowledge, but also public health action. You mentioned 551 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: the ocean rule, and I only have a minute left here, doctor, 552 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: I just wonder what medical groups like the a m 553 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: AH have in terms of positions on vaccine mandates. There's 554 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: an argument on Capitol Hill right now might even shut 555 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: down the government over this is are these mandates something 556 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: you support? Well? As you noted, I'm a former president, 557 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: so no longer officially represent individual A m A. But 558 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: the A m AS certainly come out in support of 559 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: UH mandate vaccines clearly and certainly mandates in health care institution. 560 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: So vexine mandates work. Um. You know, we don't have 561 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: to have a one size fits all approach, but we 562 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: should make sure that public health leaders and physicians and 563 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: scientists are are making these decisions and recommendation. Doctor, thank you. 564 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: Patrice Harris, former president of the A m A now 565 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: CEO of EMAD with us on sound on, will we 566 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: assemble the panel next? This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 567 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It's 568 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics, and glad you're with us. 569 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: As you just heard from Charlie Pellett, the House votes 570 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: to pass the bill, the Government Funding Bill, to twelve. 571 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: The vote today largely along party lines. Not a big 572 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: shocker there, but this would fund government agencies at current 573 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: levels through February eighteenth, the continuing resolution. Back to the 574 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: issue we were just discussing with Dr Patrice Harris, and 575 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: that's the White Houses. Well, I guess latest, don't say new, 576 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: but latest or approach to COVID this winter if there 577 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: were no a Macron at least. This is my take 578 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: on this, that that same speech could have been delivered today, 579 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: and it may well have been written before we knew 580 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: about these new cases. For that matter, we added two 581 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: more today, Minnesota and Colorado. And it was interesting to 582 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: hear the President speak, not not about so much the 583 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: five point plan, but the impact that this new variant 584 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: has had. We're going to talk about this with the 585 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: panel in just a second. Listen to Joe Biden today, 586 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: the president of the National Institutes of Health talking about 587 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: the impact this news, just the news itself of the 588 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: variant only three cases so far has had on the 589 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: vaccine holdouts. There is an expectation that of the non 590 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: vaction center no circumstances would I get a vaccination because 591 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: of the new variant, are now saying I'm going to 592 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: get a vaccination. So I hope that's true. I hope 593 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: that's true. Chanz Know, Bloomberg Politics contributor is back along 594 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: with George c CEO of Van and Dale Capital, former 595 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: senior advisor to Marco Rubio's sixteen presidential campaign. Do you 596 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: believe that, Genie or does that seem a little too easy? 597 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: If those numbers are true, that's a very good sign. 598 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: As the President said, um, you know, I think one 599 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: of the big challenges for Joe Biden, and we're seeing 600 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: it in the polling, is that people in the middle 601 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: Independence in particular, they their approval of his handling of 602 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic has gone in the wrong direction. And you know, 603 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Democrats very supportive, Republicans very opposed, But it's those independence 604 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: that have gone in the wrong direction, and some of 605 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: that has to do with the fact that he has 606 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: been unable to the administration has been unable to be 607 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: consistent in their messaging and accurate because the science keeps changing, 608 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about masks long ago or now with 609 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: this new variants. So he has a real, real challenge 610 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: on his hands. I thought his remarks today were good, 611 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: But another COVID rollout from Joe Biden with a frustrated 612 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: public tired of these eighteen months, that's a really hard 613 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: pill for people to swallow. Does this plan work, George? 614 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: Knowing that in a couple of weeks we're gonna learn 615 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: a lot more about this new variant, you know, I 616 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: think it's been a fascinating from an intellectual and ahistorically 617 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: eventually exercise to watch these two presidents deal with something 618 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: and we didn't know how to have any idea how 619 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: to handle They've all both of them have kind of 620 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: fumbled around in the dark looking for the light switch, 621 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: so to speak. And I would say that I hope 622 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: and I think it is true that some people are 623 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: gonna be influenced by the new variants to go get 624 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: the vaccine, and it's someone who's very pro vaccine. I 625 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: look at that. It's a very very good thing. I 626 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: think we're President Biden and his administration have aired is 627 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: where they put these mandates out there and they wag 628 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: their fingers at people and tell them they have to 629 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: go get vaccinated. I think the American people don't respond 630 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: well to big Brother telling them what to do on things. 631 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: I think psychologically it's actually a negative motivator, and I 632 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: wish they would stop that and they would turn instead 633 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: to rationally, calmly, politely gently urging people to go do it. 634 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: They've done some of that, but but the mandates I 635 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: think have been very counterproductive. I think a lot of Americans. 636 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: Do you think they would have gotten the vaccine without them? 637 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: In other words, I think more people would have I 638 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: think some people are so stubborn and it doesn't make 639 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: any sense. I get that, But psychologically they'd resist someone 640 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: ordering them what to do. And so should the message 641 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: be not about big brother but about your brother. That fine, 642 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: if you don't want to get the vaccine because of 643 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: a mandate, whatever, but but you're actually protecting the people 644 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: around you. But maybe it's too late for that. Yeah, 645 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: that's the right message. And that's what I've told everybody. 646 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: I've been very pro vaccine, and for people I know 647 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: are anti vaccine, I say, look, don't do it for 648 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: for you, to do it for somebody you're walking past, 649 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: he's an innocent person. It's a very good, good persuasive argument. 650 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of talk today about surge teams 651 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: as well. Now, this is another one that gets people 652 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: very upset. Gi you know this. We've talked about it. 653 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: The President uh went there months ago that surge teams 654 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: will be going remember door to door, talk about big Brother. 655 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: People don't like that idea. Well, now he says we're 656 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: going to have triple the number of surge teams. Here's 657 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: the President from today. They help provide lifesaving treatments and 658 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: communities in need like monoclonal uh anybody treatments. We have 659 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: over twenty teams deployed now too damn announcing that we're 660 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: gonna triple that, more than double. We're gonna get to 661 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: sixty teams and ready to deploy and states experience the 662 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: surgeon cases over the course of this winner. Now, Genie, 663 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: I guess these teams do a lot. They can even 664 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: backfill in e ers help hospitals and so forth. But 665 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: if they're going into communities and and trying to urge 666 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,959 Speaker 1: people to get vaccinated or take whatever precautions we're talking about, 667 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: does that also prove to be a disincentive. I think 668 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: it can be problematic. Listen, those teams are needed because 669 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: the administration doesn't want to be caught flat footed like 670 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: it was when Delta hit. So they're responding in large 671 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: part to their lack of a response. Not total lack, 672 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: but you know it wasn't strong enough to Delta, and 673 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: the search teams are important. But to your point, Joe, 674 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: and hopefully the President is listening to you, you don't 675 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: want to send in a team that sounds like the 676 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: federal government is coming in and knocking on your door. 677 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: You'd rather have members of the community, people you trust, 678 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: people you know, friends and family move this forward. But 679 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, one thing that I think is really important 680 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: we have to say is when we look at the science, 681 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: this is going to keep continuing. We will keep seeing 682 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: new variants if we don't get the world vaccinated. I mean, 683 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: that is the answer. Too much of this and it's 684 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: something we don't talk about enough and the United States 685 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: has a huge role in that. We've done a good 686 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: deal already, but we and the other countries who have 687 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: means have got to be able to move back. And 688 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: it's not just the vaccination, it's the ability to get 689 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: those vaccinations into arms that's lacking in many of these countries. Well, 690 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: the President did speak to that issue today, and we've 691 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: got a whole new line on that. Now. It's two 692 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: hundred million doses in the next hundred days, previously pledged 693 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: vaccine doses abroad, by which as the genius point, we're 694 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: talking about vaccinating the world. That is what the President 695 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: said today, George. The administration has been criticized for not 696 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: providing more vaccines to countries in need, but it's also 697 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: been lined to you know, when you're on the airplane, 698 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: you gotta put your mask on before you can help 699 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: the person next. You know, I really think that that 700 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: criticisms of us were not distributing vaccines on an equivalent 701 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: basis around the world are the most silly thing I've 702 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: ever heard. We we developed the vaccine, we have to 703 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: put our citizens at fellow Americans first, and we're still 704 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: helping the rest of the world in a tremendous way. 705 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: So these kind of complaints are people who never have 706 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: anything good to say about anything. I think they should 707 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: be rejected. I also would echo what Genie said and 708 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: say one thing that scientists have gotten rise. They said 709 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: from the beginning, not if there would be variants, but 710 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: there would be variants, and there would probably be many 711 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: of the variants. And one thing I'm very encouraged by 712 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: about the latest one is that it does seem to 713 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: be very transmittable. It is readily spread, but we haven't 714 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: heard any reports yet that it's it's a it's a 715 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: deadly version. That the prior versions have been more deadly 716 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: so far at least, and we've got to have a 717 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: lot more data than this one is. And that's very 718 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: encouraging because it means the loss of life we've seen 719 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: tragically for two years now might be deluted tremendously in 720 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: this variant. I hope that's the case. Well, you know, look, 721 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: it would be the great blessing for this administration and 722 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: the world, Genie, certainly the market if everyone learned in 723 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks that this was not as deadly 724 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: as some of the other strains. Certainly Delta we could 725 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: have a resurgence of business, travel, investment, et cetera. That's right, 726 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: and and you know, God willing that that becomes the case. 727 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: But as the doctor was just saying to you, the 728 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: other aspect of this is, even if we didn't have 729 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: the new variant, we are into the winter, We are 730 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: in a holiday season. People are starting to be in 731 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving and Hanukah and Christmas and other holidays, celebrating 732 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: together in smaller places. You know, travel was up a 733 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: good deal. That's all good, except that it also means 734 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: we may see more transmissions. So you know, it's it's 735 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: not just this variant, although that's incredibly serious, it is 736 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: also just the reality of where we are today. You 737 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: make a great point New York. You saw the number 738 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: of today Genie in your state of New York, eleven thousand, 739 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: three d new COVID cases, the most since January, as 740 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: dozens of hospitals neared capacity. George, could that speech have 741 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: been delivered even without a macron And and do you 742 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: think it was already in the works. I really don't 743 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: have a good answer for that. I think that the 744 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: reality is we're all going to be living for this 745 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: for quite some time. To come still, even after having 746 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: gone through it for nearly two years now, and I 747 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: think most people have kind of gotten used to and 748 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: they're saying, I'm getting back to life. I'm gonna wear 749 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 1: a mask when I'm gonna crowded area, and I'm gonna 750 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: take all the necessary precautions, and God willing, everybody's going 751 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: to get a get a get a shot, and get 752 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,479 Speaker 1: a booster at some point if they haven't yet, because 753 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: it's the best thing you can do. But we're going 754 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: to get on with it. We're we're as America are 755 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: going to move forward. We're not going to let ourselves 756 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: get frozen by fear from this thing. And I think 757 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: that's a that's a happy advancement from what we've been 758 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: in the last year and a half or so. What 759 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: do you make of that, Genie? This could have been 760 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: a speech written months ago, a couple of weeks ago, 761 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: even at the White House was waiting for the right 762 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: opportunity to roll out ahead of winter and so forth, 763 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: and then this new variant showed up, So let's do 764 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: the speech tomorrow. It could have been. You know, I 765 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: think I don't think it's the speech that he wants 766 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: to be giving. I don't think it's what he wants 767 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: to be talking about, but he certainly has to. He 768 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: is the president who ran saying, judge my presidency on 769 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: how I combat this virus and this pandemic. So those 770 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: are his words, and he is, you know, stepping forward 771 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: and trying to address this. And you know that of course, 772 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: my state in a state of emergency, numbers going up. 773 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: In New York City just set a vaccine mandate for 774 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: religious and private school workers. So the issue of mandates 775 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: keeps cropping up. But I thought what was fascinating in 776 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: your conversation with the congressman was he made a really 777 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: important point. People opposed to the mandate aren't necessarily opposed 778 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: to the vaccination. It's the mandate issue. So that is 779 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: something that needs to be addressed. Jennie Chanzano thinks, as 780 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: always Bloomberg Politics contributor and George c CEO of Annandale Capital, 781 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: we learned a couple of things from you today, George, 782 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: and I like talking with you. Come back and see 783 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: us be part of our panel again here on the 784 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. All I know is I ate 785 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: Turkey last year with my family in the backyard by 786 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: a propane heater didn't have to do that this year. 787 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg