WEBVTT - Episode 46 - Aubrie Sellers (3-27-17) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.440 I welcome to episode forty six of the Bobby Cast 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.200 and with Aubrey Sellers. However, this is weird. It's the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.640 first time we met, but I feel like we know 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.440 each other because I follow you on everything. And I 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.599 guess the reason that I really like you is because 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.240 your music was so different, and that's what kind of 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:19.800 was like. I was like, Wow, do I like her? 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.279 And then I do this thing at the beginning of 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:22.919 the year where I picked five artists that I just 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.360 love and it's called the Class and it's like I'm 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.280 gonna follow them and I'm gonna see what they're doing. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.080 I'm gonna promote them whenever the thing, and you were 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:31.920 one of the five that I was like, holy cow, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.280 this is really cool. Thank you so much. That was 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.440 like big, huge surprise for me. And the reason is 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.360 and also want to run a couple of Aubrey Sellers 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.000 urban myths and see if they're true or not. But 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.440 the reason was because your album is just so different. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.159 And what I thought was cool about your album was 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.959 it just feels like this is something that and here 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.080 I'll just play something. I'll play sitting here and cry 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.560 for a second while I talk about it. It feels 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.600 like that's not your record. Hold, we have too many buttons. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.200 We're just in my house here, right. It was like this, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.120 this record is so different that you knew. I just 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.039 me assuming that it was just either going to be 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.440 huge or it had the still the head ability to 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.280 tank because it was so different. But it was just 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.600 so different that you wanted to do it. It It didn't matter, right. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.400 The truth to that, yes, there's truth to that. I think, 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.640 you know. My opinion is when something is different, it 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.960 takes people a while to get familiar with It's it's 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.360 if it's fresh to your ears. You know, it's not 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.360 going to sound like anything else, and so it might 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.880 not Everyone might not immediately pick up on it. And 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.880 I think some people will need to hear it or 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.000 be exposed to it multiple times before they get it. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.800 And some people get it right away because they came 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.560 from the same you know, stock that I did and 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.240 listen to the same stuff that I did and get 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.240 it right away. So it's definitely really different. And I 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.880 was thinking about this earlier too. It's just like it, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.800 it just doesn't matter. I'm going to do my thing. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.120 It's just the kind of music I make. You know, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.800 what I mean, and and I think it has potential 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.160 to reach a wide audience and and hopefully, UM just 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.520 keep hacking away at it and see what happens. So 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.880 here's what I heard. So I hear, I hear that 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.160 you go in to make the record, and this can 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:08.920 be completely true. This isn't on a note that I have. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.160 These notes are just normal stuff I don't even need. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.760 But the what I heard was that you go into 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.240 the studio and you're making this record and there are 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.760 no acoustic guitars on. Is that right? Not one? Not one? 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.920 And that that was kind of a fight where they 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.840 were like, hey, maybe you should add some acoustic guitars, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.640 and you were like, I am not putting again a 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.359 single acoustic guitar on this record. Is true, That's very true. UM. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.280 You know, I'm I'm a very all or nothing person, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.120 and I think when I made this record, I really 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:36.440 wanted to go after it and I wanted to make 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.800 something that was representative of what I love. And I 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.400 have a very country voice and I write what I 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.480 considered to be country songs, but I've been really inspired 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.040 by Led Zeppelin and CCR and a bunch of as 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.120 far as sonically, the way those records sound. And so 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.840 when I went in to make this record, uh, you 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.280 know a lot of the things that I took his inspiration. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.960 Production wise, we're all electric and they had these you know, 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.200 trashy drums at song has and you know, off those 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.200 old leads up records, and and so I kind of 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.080 just said, look, we're just gonna do it. We're just 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.640 gonna go for it. We're not gonna half acid, you 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.000 know what I mean, Like I wanted to sound like this. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.480 But okay, I assume you didn't pay for the record though, right, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.400 And so if you're not paying for the record, it's 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.440 rare that you get to make such a big decision 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.120 about the record. Like how it works as mostly you 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.200 have your you and you have your you influence and 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.320 they have their because Warner is your record label at 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.240 the time. You've got on a couple record labels, but 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.160 one is your current record label, and so I'm assuming 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.600 they're weighing in, going, hey, we also need something that 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:43.680 kind of fits. Was there this kind of well no, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.840 so Warner you know wasn't around when I made the record. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.160 No one was around really No, Yeah, I didn't have 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.800 I didn't have management. I didn't have anything when I 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.200 made this record. I was completely making this with Frank 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.120 the producer and you know, funded by my publishing company. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.720 So that is how we made it. And he won 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.000 had percent believed in me and what I was doing 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.240 and helped foster that. And that's why I love Frank 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.360 as a producers because every artist that he works with, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.200 from Miranda Too, you know Jack Ingram to you know, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.560 David Nail, whoever it is, the record sounds like the 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.800 artist and not like Frank. And he's really good about 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.760 fostering that and people and and respecting their vision and 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.520 so uh, there was a little bit of butting heads, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.479 but also a lot of respect and I think he 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.720 really got it. And then that's why it turned out 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.960 that way. It's kind of a good news bad news situation. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.479 Then you're in and you get to do your own thing, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:36.080 but you don't have somebody like a big record label going, hey, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.120 we were involved too, and we're investing in this actual project. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:41.839 But you got to make what you want and I 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.279 feel like that's just what you want to do. Like 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.599 I just feel like that's what you do. You just 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.200 do what you want to do. For the most part, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.800 the deal is is that to me, making music is 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.800 about making music. It's I don't think of it. I 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.720 do want to reach a wide audience. That's why I 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.360 make it. That's why I signed to a record label. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.400 That's why you know I'm out here doing this. I 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.040 want to reach as many people as possible. But at 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.359 the same time, I believe in what I'm doing, and 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.520 I think you have to. I think that my favorite 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.040 artist that I respect, Steve ORL. Dwight Yoakam, people from 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.839 that era who were mainstream artists but did something completely 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.920 unique and on their own. Uh, those are my favorite 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.680 artist I respect them, you know, and I think they 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.240 have long lasting careers and you can have in this business, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.520 in this world to day, you can have four number 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.920 one songs and people still don't really know who you are, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.240 you know what I mean. Or you can have a 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.559 slow build and maybe not have a hit song until 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.080 your third record, but you know, then you have a 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.039 really long lasting career. You have an identity, and you 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.640 have people who are going to come to your shows 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.599 until you're retired, you know. And that's the kind of 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.200 career I hope for myself and and I think any 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.840 artists should. Well, you know about CCR. I was like, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.480 so I grew up listening to old these radio with 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.359 my stepdad. So my stepdad and I would listen to 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.720 Cool nine. I grew up in a tiny town in Arkansas, 0:05:55.400 --> 0:06:00.160 and the first band I was ever in, well all 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.640 we did we did all Credence cover songs. And again 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.520 I was born in the eighties, so it wasn't like 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.799 I wasn't gonna live really when John Fogerty was here 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.200 and you bring up it's funny you bring up create 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.320 such a big CCR fan. But also and like if 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.320 you're in Texas that CCR also means Cross Canadian Ragley. Yeah, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.680 so there's like there's like the double So when you 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.680 talk about like the the trashy drums and stuff, I 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.719 mean you're right, yeah, yeah, I do. It's cool that 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.800 that you mentioned the old school stuff, like where is 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.960 your old school music influence? Where does that come from? 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:33.440 It's funny because nobody in my family listened to rock really. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.200 I mean, Frank Laddell, who's my stepdad, has a lot 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.240 of You call your step that Frank, Yeah, because I 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.800 called my step that Keith. That's not yeah, that's where 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.080 I mean. Well, then there you go, Yeah, you're right, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.600 I think about that. But yeah, so you know, he 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:48.920 listened to some of that stuff, and I think that's 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.360 why we connect a lot of musically. But my mom, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.120 you know, listening to straight up old school country and 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.960 my dad listened to a lot of that too, and 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.320 then more pop. So so for me, I kind of 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.200 discovered the stuff on my own. You know, I'm part 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.760 of the internet around here, it's almost like there. So 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.240 there are some kids who rebel, like if their dads 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.680 a doctor, they go and they you know, shoot up 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.240 and do what heroin waffle house and you know, they 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.120 just your trouble and they go to jail because they 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.760 want to rebel against that. I felt like, you're rebelling, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.320 but it's in a weird way of just a different 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:24.440 your stylistically rebelling. Because let's go to your stepdad produced records. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:25.960 He's won a few a c m s right for 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.120 like the produced record. Yeah, they have one album of 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:34.320 the Year like every year. So Frank your stepdad is 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.440 is that weird to be in that environment, a professional 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:43.600 environment with basically the person you're related to. Yeah, you know, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.520 it's interesting because I think there's a little bit of 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.160 a distance because he's not trying. It's like I was saying, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.080 I mean, that's why I respect him as a producer. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.440 I think that he doesn't try to intervene too much. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.840 He's a good He fosters and he helps and he 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.760 develops and doesn't try to come in there and order 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.720 your on and tell you what to do and what's right. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.560 We don't yell, but you know, I mean it was 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.360 him that it was like, you know, there was a 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.600 song that we cut that didn't end up being on 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.880 the album that he wanted to put an acoustic solo on, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.400 and that was that moment you were talking about where 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.040 I was just like, no, it's not happening. I also 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.200 know a little bit of how the business works, and 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.760 you know, I'm like, once you bring that in here, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.720 it's not going away, Like you know what I mean, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.600 Like I know, it's just kind of kind of taking 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.360 a stand and drawing your boundaries. And that was really 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.760 important to me. And so he was really respectful of that. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.679 And I think he I think he gets him excited 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.600 more than anything. I mean, I think he gets excited 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.760 to work with people who know what they want, you know, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.160 And I think that's his favorite type of artists to 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.160 work with, from Randa to all these people who have 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.000 always kind of known what they wanted to sound like you. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.280 Your biological father is a massive songwriter. He's written let'st 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:53.600 off some songs that he's written, don't you want to say? Yeah? 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.200 They're sunny and seventy five I think was his latest one. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.880 I'm He's written a bunch of songs and so he 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.760 has his own style. That did he weigh in to 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.440 the record. He has lots of opinions, you know, And 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.000 it's interesting, it's all three of my parents. If you 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.800 could say that I have very unique I don't know. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.880 They have different opinions, and I listened to them all 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.040 and then I kind of do you know, I do 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.760 what I feel in my heart. And your mom, who's 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.559 lean Walmack, she doesn't sound like you. You sound your 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.600 vocals sound very similar. But again, stylistically, it's like you 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.200 made this record of I'm gonna kind of say the same. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.079 But I don't want to be anything like anybody else 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.840 that's like you rebelled, except in a nice way, like 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.400 that nice rebelled. You're rebelled with a guitar tone instead 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.240 of trouble. And that's really funny because a lot of 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.600 people say, like they hear my record, they see me 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.560 online or whatever it is, and they, you know, and 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.080 I wear all black and I have this music and 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.240 I'm really aggressive, and I think they expect me to 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:03.720 be like, I don't know, read, Yeah, you're actually pretty pleasant. Yeah. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.120 It was the first time we about when you walked 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.920 to the house and you were like, hey, just I 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.680 like what you and I was like, hey, good to see. Yeah, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.319 your Instagram is all black, and so yeah, you're cool. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.560 You're cool. You're your hair is black. You have your 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.640 hair black, right, Yeah, it's dark brown naturally, but I 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.840 go the extra mile and just go straight black. And 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.160 you have the tattoos. I'm seeing all the rebellion now 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.760 it's slowly started to trickle out. You're wearing how much 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.040 of this black clothes thing is? Like your is all 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.719 your outfit, your closet all black? It is, you know 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.400 mostly Also I like white gray, I like neutrals. But 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.160 what do you emotionally? Why do you think that is? 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.800 When I started dressing for stage or for shows, when 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.560 I started playing three or four years ago, that was 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.520 just what I picked every time and then you like 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.679 Twilight was that three? I did watch all the Twilights. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.319 That's not why I dressed like this. No, it's literally 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.240 just what I thought looked the best. And then I 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.120 kept buying more and more, and now that's kind of 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.600 a thing now, and now I can't wear anything else. Seriously. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.439 I'll try, I'll put something else on and be like, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.840 I'm gonna mix it up tonight, and I can't do it. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.679 It's just there's something. I don't know what it is. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.280 I don't know if I'm O c D or oh definitely, no, no, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.079 you definitely. Even your tattoo has no color, like it's 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.440 not even just a thing. Even your permanent stuff has 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.320 no color on it. Like my I'm most too, because 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.319 they're all perfectly aligned with each other, and so mine 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.280 is not about color so much is that everything's got 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.400 to be in order. And I'm very time O c D. Two. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.280 Mike Decent was like, hey, Albreay's gonna be over here. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.760 She just left um and it was like six minutes 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.280 before we start, and I was like, oh boy, she's 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.600 gonna be late. I'm not gonna You're early. Like a minute, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.800 I was like, do you know why I know where 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.679 you live. I know right. You can say who it 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:45.640 is if you want, but I want. But I was 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.480 having dinner at your neighbor's house, okay, Dan from Dani 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.720 Jay Okay, and we were I was were eating and 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.559 meet him and Abby and Lindsay my girlfriend have a 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.240 dinner and I was talking about your It was like, hey, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.160 you know we were doing this because they're also on 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.120 Warner And I was like, hey, do you know Aubrey 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.400 And he was like, no, where she loves right there? 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.240 And we like walked in the backyard, so you guys 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.439 live over there by, And then you came and peeked 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.760 up my window and then you weren't home, because I 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.160 was like, is she home? Why don't we walk over? 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.600 Because I've never until today, I've never met you before, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.440 and I've been and I love your album and I've 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.040 been posted on Instagram and I was like, hey, this 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.240 is really cool. I like it because it's just different. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.520 And I feel like people that chase different things are 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.079 okay with failure, and they're okay with continuing to fail 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:32.880 as long as they get to fail on their terms. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.920 And there's all also this understanding of failure that if 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.600 you keep failing, and you have and you're able to 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.480 bounce back from it over and over again, that eventually 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.400 you're going to hit. That's that's kind of my philosophy. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.360 And I also don't see it as a failure, you know, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.880 I see it as a slow build. That's how I 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.439 look at it. You know what I mean, what if 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.280 none of your songs making this record make it on 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.120 the radio. That just let's just play that game. What 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.960 if none of your song, let's say, your new single 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.400 I believe is liar, liar. Okay, so here's listen. I'm 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.440 a fan, but let's sound like I'm not. And I'm 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.920 like I would be like every other programmer country music. Okay, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.000 this just this song right here, it just don't sound 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:18.240 like hall and it's it's a it's a woman like 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.520 my woman like woman's on the radio, and it's just 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.120 it doesn't It is too bluesy and ain't country. What 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.719 do you say to that? Yeah, I mean I say 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.760 what I said to you earlier was that, look, just 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.920 because it's different doesn't mean people won't connect with it. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.880 And it may take time, and I think you have 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.080 to find those people who believe in it and honestly, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.480 you know, Eric Church didn't have a hit until you know, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.600 a few albums in Miranda didn't have a number one 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.520 song until her third album. I mean, people don't realize 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.079 that now because they're the biggest stars in the country music. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.960 But I think if you look at what they did, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.560 it was stick to their guns and do what they 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.880 believe in, and they built an identity for themselves and 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.440 they were true to who they were. And that's my goal. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.880 And you know, I hope people connect that. Maybe they will, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.480 maybe they won't, But I'm not going to change what 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.559 I'm doing just to make just to take the easy route, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:06.880 you know what I mean? Are you so angry in 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:16.800 your songs? So angry? Are so angry? Man? That's a 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.080 relatable story. Oh no, listen, my jams are angry and 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.960 sad songs I love and I tell you, I mean, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.120 I listened this album. I can always talk about like 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.120 an album if I save over five songs. First of all, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.320 I think the entire album process is it's so antiquated 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.240 now of making that much music and putting it out 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.320 at once, because that many songs don't really I think 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.240 John Mayor nailed it with what he's doing with putting 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.840 four songs and the four songs and then four songs 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.800 and here's the project. And so he did that Wave one, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.960 Wave two. He's about to release the rest of the 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.200 record because I get to sit and I get to 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.840 really take in the four songs instead of having fourteen 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.040 songs put at me, and I gotta figure out like 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.600 I love it sharing he just put out of record 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.880 two many songs. It's just like my copy talks about 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.320 the record like seventy three, like a box set, like 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.760 the hut of box set, and it just all kind 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.680 of gets lost, and I need time to sit with 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.080 songs I need. And so I think I'm sorry, I'm disappointing. No, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.280 it's not that I was gonna tell you you have 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.880 ten songs, ten songs on this record. Okay, I didn't 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.160 say that. Man, I think I saved nine and I 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.440 don't ever say more than four on records. And that's 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.360 how I know I like the record. I said nine 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.120 or fourteen songs. How britally honest? Is that myke that 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.200 told I deleted five of her songs. I didn't delete it. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.600 They just are not in because I keep a playlist, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.520 like could I fly all the time. Oh my god, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.640 I want to points all time, and so I have, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.120 uh yeah, we kind of. Now I have nine songs 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.000 of yours that still make the cut. Congratulations, thank you 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.520 so much. That's good. That's a success. Man. Let me 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.360 tell you what I love. Let me tell you first 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:53.560 of all, I love to hear in Crown. I know 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.720 that was your last song, you love radio song. Yeah, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.680 they screwed up. I don't even know that's a single. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.400 None even told me. I've been playing a you know, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:08.640 I blame your people. Really think awesome. How did you 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.120 feel about this song whenever they put it out? I 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.360 love it? Was this your first choice or no? Yeah? 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.400 I think that it's a really good representation of my 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.960 sound as a whole and how I write songs and 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.360 I high energy, which is what my show is like. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.360 And why don't you think it's worked? Like? Really there? 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.280 My answer is that people in radio listen and go 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.880 I need to hear exactly the same thing over and 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.200 over again. That's part of it. There's a lot. There's 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.160 so many parts to it, you know. I mean there's 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:39.040 there's politics, there's restructuring, there's you know, then you've got 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.800 people resistant to change, and there's a million things. It's 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.160 like people resistance will change, so they cannot avoid it 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.760 right exactly, And I think that's the truth. You have 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.080 to be such a I call it the Butterfly Kisses effect. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.600 Butterfly Kisses, I mean the song. Yes, that's exactly it. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.360 Now here's what happened with Butterfly Kisses. So I don't 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.560 know if you know, and you probably don't, but I've 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.280 I grew up in a tiny town in Arkansas, and 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.840 so my grandma played a ton like. I didn't even 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.480 grow up with current country music. I grew up with 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.879 old like Andy Griff's gospel records and from Arkansas. So 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.879 Johnny Cash wasn't just God the country to people in 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.280 Arkansas like he was ours. Because so and then as 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.720 I got older, I started listening to the radio and 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.200 listen to the country, and I would listen to a 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.359 lot of alternative stuff in the nineties, and then I 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:27.919 was a hip hop kid, and I've worked in all 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.760 these radio formats too. I just love music, oldies. I 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.480 was talking about like I love you know CCR. So 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.840 when I was working in pop, there was this Butterfly 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.640 Kisses on This sounds like nothing on the radio. Nothing. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.879 It's the there's a terrible song of some old man 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.280 talking about giving this girl, and nobody wanted to play 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.960 it because it sounded nothing like anything else and this song, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.520 but people kept buying it and kept buying it, and 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.040 they had it was such an effect that radio stations 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.919 had no other option but to freaking play Butterfly Kisses. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.040 And here's Butterfly Kisses by Bob Carlile And I called, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.960 you have to Butterfly Kisses something you gotta make the people, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.280 tell the people that are making the decisions how good 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:17.200 it is. It's funny that you knew the song and 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.480 it's kind of emotional, like I like it now. I again, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.200 come on, I'll give you a dollar if you know sings. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.560 You just said it. I didn't say it, didn't. I 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.520 don't think that's it. Bob, Yeah, yeah, you said it, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:40.320 did I say, Bob Carlisle Shore she was sitting here 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.000 from heaven and she's dead as little girl. You know, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.800 it's all like, what year did this come out? Have 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.359 no idea, you don't know it. Nobody you know? Oh 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.040 you want to another good one? And I'm just comparing 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.600