Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty arm.
Speaker 2: Strong and Jettie and now he.
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 4: I read President Trump's book The Art to Make a Deedle,
Speaker 4: and he.
Speaker 3: Advised to just close information before before it's time.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was funny. Uh, that's the Art
Speaker 2: to make a deal. I read The Art to Make
Speaker 2: Va Making Deals. We didn't get to Trump's comments over
Speaker 2: the weekend where he said I thought the toughest stuff
Speaker 2: he said about Russia. Maybe a change of tone. I
Speaker 2: don't know. He had a meeting alone alone with Zelenski
Speaker 2: there at the Vatican because of the Pope's funeral. No
Speaker 2: idea what they talked about out, but more on that later. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: interesting stuff. So a crazy, crazy thing happening. I saw
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in the movies Homes to Be Homing Alone too,
Speaker 2: and also.
Speaker 5: The is Levrov and I every week watched the apprenticing.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well his English is better than my Russian. So
Speaker 5: crazy thing happened last week in Wisconsin involving a rogue judge.
Speaker 5: We'll see how Pere Thomas of ABC News does describe
Speaker 5: in What Happens sixty Michael, a.
Speaker 6: Sitting state court judge, is facing federal charges and up
Speaker 6: to six years in prison. Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah
Speaker 6: Dugan faces multiple charges for allegedly obstructing ICE agents trying
Speaker 6: to arrest in undocumented immigrants. According to a newly unsealed indictment,
Speaker 6: on April eighteenth, Dugan was visibly upset when she and
Speaker 6: another judge confronted a group of federal agents that had
Speaker 6: come to her courthouse to arrest Eduardo Flores Ruez, an
Speaker 6: undocumented Mexican citizen who was in court to face misdemeanor
Speaker 6: domestic violence charges. Agent said she told them to go
Speaker 6: to see the chief judge of the courthouse and went
Speaker 6: back to her courtroom, where Judge Jugan then escorted Flores
Speaker 6: Ruez and his counsel out of the courtroom through a
Speaker 6: jury door. Flores Ruez was later arrested near the courthouse.
Speaker 5: Okay, there are a lot of facts he got right there.
Speaker 5: But it's interesting you come away with a different impression
Speaker 5: than you're about to have. Ah, what was I gonna say?
Speaker 5: It seemed important at the time when it went by
Speaker 5: him and.
Speaker 3: That's weird. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 5: The Washington Post portrayed this whole episode as part of
Speaker 5: Trump's war against the judiciary. This is really sending a
Speaker 5: message to judges all over the country.
Speaker 3: That's something, something.
Speaker 2: Having a chilling effect all bet Oh, absolutely so.
Speaker 5: John Roberts on Fox News. I was talking to any
Speaker 5: General BONDI about what happened. Listen to this play by
Speaker 5: play and how does the deal feel to you after
Speaker 5: you hear this?
Speaker 4: So let me read a little bit from the criminal
Speaker 4: complaint here, and Judge Dugan says, despite having been advised
Speaker 4: of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores Ruiz,
Speaker 4: Judge Dugan then escorted Flores Ruiz and his counsel out
Speaker 4: of the courtroom through the jury door, which leads to
Speaker 4: a non public area of the courthouse.
Speaker 2: A footchase ensued.
Speaker 4: The agents pursued Flora's Ruiz for the entire link to
Speaker 4: the courthouse, and ultimately apprehended him. According to this complaint,
Speaker 4: Judge Jiggen was visibly angry that Ice was there to
Speaker 4: arrest Flores Ruiz even tried to kick the deportation agents
Speaker 4: out of the courthouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to set the stage for you and Sandra.
Speaker 1: This was truly horrific. This guy was in court being
Speaker 1: prosecuted by a state prosecutor for domestic violence battery. He
Speaker 1: had beat up two people, a guy and a girl.
Speaker 1: Beat the guy hif guy thirty times, knocked him to
Speaker 1: the ground, choked him, beat up a woman so badly
Speaker 1: they both had to go to the hospital. And John,
Speaker 1: you know it's so rare for victims to want to cooperate.
Speaker 2: They wanted to cooperate.
Speaker 1: They were sitting in the courtroom with the state prosecutor.
Speaker 1: The judge learns that Ice was outside to get the
Speaker 1: guy because he had been deported in twenty thirteen, came
Speaker 1: back in our country, commits these crimes. Charged with committing
Speaker 1: these crimes victims in court, judge finds out. She goes
Speaker 1: out in the hallway, screams at the immigration officers. She's furious,
Speaker 1: visibly shaken, upset, sends them off to talk to the
Speaker 1: chief judge. She comes back in the courtroom here going
Speaker 1: to believe this, takes the defendant and the defense attorney
Speaker 1: back in her chambers, takes him out of private exit
Speaker 1: and tells him to leave while a state prosecutor and
Speaker 1: victims of domestic violence are sitting in the courtroom.
Speaker 5: Wow, so look at that message this guy's And by
Speaker 5: the way, you beat the hell out of two people
Speaker 5: and it's a misdemeanor. Wow, including a woman. But so anyway,
Speaker 5: with the prosecut ready to go on the case and
Speaker 5: the victims in the courtroom, judge Lady judge says, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: what's much more important is this poor immigrant. Because no
Speaker 5: human being is illegal. He must be freed from the
Speaker 5: clutches of ice. So I'm going to end the trial
Speaker 5: right now and show them the emergency exit and then
Speaker 5: everybody's going to be around sitting around in the courtroom thinking, hey,
Speaker 5: what the hell happened to the defendant? But it will
Speaker 5: help him escape the clutches of ice. How perverse is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's got to be straightened out. We've got
Speaker 2: to figure this out. The Supreme Court has to rule
Speaker 2: on this. Look, federal laws are federal laws. You don't
Speaker 2: get to choose to be a city that ignores them.
Speaker 5: Well, right, and if there's a immigration detainer and enforcement
Speaker 5: action that the federal government has gone through due process
Speaker 5: to set up, then yeah, you have to cooperate with
Speaker 5: federal authorities. I mean there there, and you know, if
Speaker 5: this were at all like a wobbly proposition like the
Speaker 5: federal government was trying to enforce i don't know, good
Speaker 5: hygiene or or you know, using proper English in public
Speaker 5: or something like that. Okay, all right, that's a little
Speaker 5: weird and intrusive, but that's the purview of the federal
Speaker 5: government immigration that they're supposed to deal with. That they're saying,
Speaker 5: this person is due to be you know, removed from.
Speaker 3: The country deported. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm hoping this insane era passes by pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: I just it's it's just nuts.
Speaker 5: Worth pointing this out too, especially if you ever watch
Speaker 5: any of the Evening Evening Newses. This is a clip
Speaker 5: sixty seven here. I think it's self explanatory.
Speaker 7: The White House has put up about one hundred posters
Speaker 7: of what they say or unauthorized immigrants who have been
Speaker 7: arrested for violent crimes. You could see them there. They
Speaker 7: put them up on the driveway of the White House.
Speaker 7: If you look here, that's the West wing just at
Speaker 7: the forefront the Executive Mansion itself to the left. But
Speaker 7: what's particularly noteworthy about this location is it is right
Speaker 7: directly behind the positions where TV correspondents do their hits
Speaker 7: from the White House lawnch So therefore, no matter what
Speaker 7: network you're on that includes MSNBC, if you're doing a
Speaker 7: hit from.
Speaker 2: The White House right now, those pictures.
Speaker 7: Will be behind you, the White House doing a briefing
Speaker 7: in about a half hour about what.
Speaker 3: They're doing here.
Speaker 2: Well, I find the whole one hundred day thing tedious anyway,
Speaker 2: it is a pseudo event. Google it. It's a thing
Speaker 2: that was described to many, many, many decades ago. The
Speaker 2: media invents a thing then covers it like it's right,
Speaker 2: like it happened spontaneously. But they to be covered, yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And final note Rich Lowry, who I find he writes
Speaker 5: for the National Review. He's actually an editor in chief,
Speaker 5: I think. But in terms of reasonableness and sense of
Speaker 5: humor and fairness and the rest of it is about
Speaker 5: at the top of the heap. But he was writing
Speaker 5: about the whole due process question, and he makes an
Speaker 5: excellent point, at least rhetorically, that Biden and company let
Speaker 5: millions of people into the country without any due process whatsoever,
Speaker 5: just you know, handed him a notice to appear that
Speaker 5: they will ignore it completely and has changed the face
Speaker 5: of the United States. Does that mean we don't have
Speaker 5: to follow due process to get.
Speaker 3: Rid of people? No, No, it's more difficult than that.
Speaker 5: But Rich's ultimate point in this piece is that self
Speaker 5: deportations are the way to do this, and the way
Speaker 5: you do that is through everify.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. If you can't get a job, you leave.
Speaker 5: Can't get welfare benefits off you go, can't get your
Speaker 5: kids into schools, et cetera. It's a beautiful, elegant solution.
Speaker 5: All right, you want to talk about but we need
Speaker 5: guest workers.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's solve that. That's not impossible.
Speaker 5: It might be, you know, a little controversial, but it
Speaker 5: can be done. If we're at all serious about this stuff,
Speaker 5: we could solve it in six months, including getting the
Speaker 5: legislation through Congress where laws ought to come from.
Speaker 2: I was in Chinatown in San Francisco over the weekend
Speaker 2: with my son. How does that still? How are there
Speaker 2: still so many people of Chinese origin? I mean, I understand,
Speaker 2: like Chinese coming to this country in eighteen fifties and
Speaker 2: building the railroad and all those different sort of things,
Speaker 2: But how does it continue to be? I mean, so
Speaker 2: many places in it seems people speak primarily Chinese and
Speaker 2: all the signs are in Chinese, and they're I'm surprised
Speaker 2: that continues. There hasn't been more of a uh, what's
Speaker 2: the word we always use when different people come together
Speaker 2: in assilation. I'm surprised there has been more assimilation in
Speaker 2: your chinatowns.
Speaker 3: I guess because you don't have to.
Speaker 5: I know pretty well well two Americans who are living
Speaker 5: in foreign lands as part of expat communities there.
Speaker 2: And so there's just no need to learn that language
Speaker 2: you hang out with other Americans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one is in a Spanish speaking land and the
Speaker 5: others in Thailand. But yeah, you pick up a little
Speaker 5: just to you know, you live there. You might as
Speaker 5: well be able to say hello and good afternoon, thank you,
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. But other than that, you
Speaker 5: live in an nextpac community and.
Speaker 2: Interesting people speak English. My other speaking of people coming
Speaker 2: here from foreign lands, just my favorite thing that Trump
Speaker 2: did over the weekend. I'm being sarcastic. He trumped this out.
Speaker 2: I'm bringing Columbus Day back from the ashes. The Democrats
Speaker 2: did everything possible to destroy Christopher Columbus's reputation, and all
Speaker 2: of the Italians that love him so much they tore
Speaker 2: down his statues and put up nothing but woke or
Speaker 2: even worse, nothing at all. Well, you'll be happy to
Speaker 2: know Christopher is going to make a major comeback. I'm
Speaker 2: hereby reinstating Columbus Day under the same rules, dates and
Speaker 2: locations as it had for all of them men decades before.
Speaker 5: So call me get a tramp stamp of Christopher Columbus
Speaker 5: because I understand tramp stamps are back too.
Speaker 2: Both making you come back, Chris. It's funny the issues
Speaker 2: that Trump jumps on bringing back Columbus Day. Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't like the Wolke tearing down at Columbus Day statues.
Speaker 2: Columbus Day is stupid, but o size.
Speaker 5: I do not have a u a boat in this expedition.
Speaker 2: So yes, Joe references gen Z. Women are bringing back
Speaker 2: the tramp stamp proudly. It's empowering them somehow, I don't
Speaker 2: quite get it. Among other things on the way stay here.
Speaker 2: I suppose we are kind of loose with the term
Speaker 2: tramp stamp, with the assumption that everybody knows what it is.
Speaker 2: Probably most people in the demographic listening do. It's a uh,
Speaker 2: it's a kind of tattoo lower back tattoo just above
Speaker 2: the cleft, could be a variety of things. Well, let
Speaker 2: me read from the.
Speaker 3: Daily on a young lady.
Speaker 2: On a young lady. Yes, tramp stamp is a derogatory
Speaker 2: slang term. It's funny. It says that right off the
Speaker 2: bat here, I I actually gotta admit I find them hot.
Speaker 2: But I've never I've never been in any kind of
Speaker 2: relationship with a woman who had one. So but it
Speaker 2: says here. Tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term, particularly
Speaker 2: used in the early mid two thousands, referring to a
Speaker 2: tattoo in a woman's lower back. The term carries a
Speaker 2: negative connotation, it says here, associating such tattoos with promiscuity
Speaker 2: or loose morals.
Speaker 5: The term is the care taking it all a ted
Speaker 5: seriously but tesque go on.
Speaker 2: The label is often used to shame or criticize women
Speaker 2: who have this type of tattoo, with some attributing the
Speaker 2: judgment to media portrayals and social expectations Wow expectations, to.
Speaker 5: Booze writing this, you're a buzzkill. You're taking everything too seriously.
Speaker 5: If people just say things because they're mildly clever, it
Speaker 5: will all be fine.
Speaker 2: Do you have a tramp stamp? Uh? And I say
Speaker 2: that with no judgment whatsoever, Katie, No, I don't, and
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: You gotta ask Michael next, otherwise it's misogyny.
Speaker 2: I honestly have no judgment about tramp stamps as opposed
Speaker 2: to what I just read there, I have no judgment whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Well, let's say, let's hear this TV news report from
Speaker 2: today and then we can discuss the.
Speaker 8: Major stock market drop has giving you flashbacks to the
Speaker 8: two thousands.
Speaker 2: This will just put you over the edge.
Speaker 8: Gen Z is bringing back the lower back tube, derogatorily
Speaker 8: referred to as the tramp stamp. So sorry to the
Speaker 8: Tracys who just finished the last round of laser removal.
Speaker 2: It's back, Tracy. Oh I remember pants like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So tattoo artists say it's coming back in a big way,
Speaker 8: and it's actually a power move for women, one saying
Speaker 8: getting a lower back tat allows women to reclaim in
Speaker 8: negative stereotype.
Speaker 5: Was there a single phrase in this story that wasn't
Speaker 5: jive bullcrap?
Speaker 2: First of all, do you have any judgment on tramp stamps? Katie? Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't judge them.
Speaker 9: No, but I do remember when I was going to
Speaker 9: get my first tattoo, how I was told by everyone, Oh,
Speaker 9: don't get it on your lower back. That's it was
Speaker 9: the tramp stamp for the bumper sticker.
Speaker 2: I noticed. And what is the famous movie, Uh, wedding
Speaker 2: crashers might as well be a bullseye is the uh
Speaker 2: but uh, it's crass. Well the reason I bring that
Speaker 2: out but is crass is is that there was a
Speaker 2: change there, even among women, because I know I've known
Speaker 2: lots of women who don't have them and did have
Speaker 2: judgment about them. So it wasn't universally accepted by women
Speaker 2: as okay for a very long period of time, and
Speaker 2: then it made the change to where it does denote
Speaker 2: a certain personality type. Although I don't know that that's fair, Yes, Katie, Oh.
Speaker 9: No, I was just this is taking me back all
Speaker 9: of the things that I've heard it called and it's
Speaker 9: not good.
Speaker 5: Perhaps we could go through those on the podcast, Well
Speaker 5: one more thing podcast.
Speaker 2: Unless their shirt pulls up or something like that, you
Speaker 2: have to have a certain type of intimate moments even
Speaker 2: recognize the fact that they have a tramp stamp.
Speaker 3: So but beach. Sure you know a crop top.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The term stramp tamp tramp stamp is often used
Speaker 2: to shame women, and the term perpetuates harmful cultural stereo
Speaker 2: types about their sexuality. It does say here it's important
Speaker 2: to note that men who have tattoos on their lower
Speaker 2: backs are rarely, if ever, subjected to the same judgment
Speaker 2: or Derogarey terms.
Speaker 3: Asking you're bringing everybody down.
Speaker 2: I think, I think. I think if you. I think
Speaker 2: if you're a dude and like you bent over the
Speaker 2: mini fridge to get a beer out and your shirt
Speaker 2: pulled up and everybody saw your tramp stamp, there would
Speaker 2: be judgment.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel the judgments. Everybody would tell everybody, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, you know Darren.
Speaker 3: I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't photos videos, I like misclaiming that there's no judgment
Speaker 2: for men. Nah, there would be no.
Speaker 9: Just a guy friend of mine started dating this girl
Speaker 9: and he realized she had a tramp stamp, and he said, oh,
Speaker 9: I can't, she's got.
Speaker 2: A beer coaster.
Speaker 5: I refer to them as perdition inscriptions or prostitution illustrations.
Speaker 5: Tump taking everything, so damn seriously, it's fine.
Speaker 2: It is kind of funny though, that everything comes back
Speaker 2: in style, including things that had a very negative connotation.
Speaker 2: It's empowering, says the news story.
Speaker 5: Women start taking back a negative stereotype.
Speaker 9: That barbed wire tattoo across her lower back really shows power.
Speaker 2: It's empowering.
Speaker 3: So much horse crap?
Speaker 2: Does everybody have the time to worry about this sort
Speaker 2: of thing? Well, you're not young, you're not twenty two
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 3: Far from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay with us more in the way.
Speaker 10: Armstrong and Geddy with President Trump and President Vladimir Zelenski
Speaker 10: reunited at his funeral to discuss an end to the
Speaker 10: war in Ukraine. It was the first meeting between Trump
Speaker 10: and Zelenski since that Oval Office eruption in February. March
Speaker 10: of the US pressure had been brought to bear on Ukraine,
Speaker 10: but this latest meeting triggered a shift from President Trump,
Speaker 10: who now appears to be threatening sanctions against Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 10: In a post on social media, he wondered if Putin
Speaker 10: is just tapping me along and has to be dealt
Speaker 10: with differently through banking or secondary sanctions. The White House
Speaker 10: called Trump and Zelenski's Vatican face to face very productive,
Speaker 10: Zelensky echoing that sentiment, saying it was a very symbolic
Speaker 10: meeting that has potential to become historic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that was something. If you haven't seen
Speaker 2: the picture, it looked very impromptu, like they had grabbed
Speaker 2: a couple of folding chairs and pulled him over in
Speaker 2: the corner and it was just the two of them,
Speaker 2: completely alone, having a conversation. Yeah, which I think is
Speaker 2: a good thing, absolutely, especially given you know Bill Maher
Speaker 2: talking about going to the White House and saying he
Speaker 2: was so different. Trump was so different than he expected
Speaker 2: him to be, and how more serial self aware he is,
Speaker 2: and how he listened so much better, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I'll bet I'll bet he and Zelensky had a very
Speaker 2: real conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh to uh have a transcript to that, I'd be
Speaker 5: so interested in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a reason Trump wanted that to be
Speaker 2: away from everybody and anyway, so I'll read from the
Speaker 2: post that they referenced there, very long post Trump put
Speaker 2: out over the weekend bashing the New York Times for
Speaker 2: their coverage of this and that and everything, and then
Speaker 2: he gets to this all about Ukraine and the Russian
Speaker 2: and the coverage. This is sleepy Joe Biden's war, not mine.
Speaker 2: It was a loser from day one and should have
Speaker 2: never happened, and wouldn't have happened if I were president
Speaker 2: at the time. I'm just trying to clean up the
Speaker 2: mess that was left to me by Obama and Biden,
Speaker 2: and what a mess it is. With all that being said,
Speaker 2: there was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles
Speaker 2: into civilian areas, cities, and towns over the last few days.
Speaker 2: It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: stop the war. Maybe he's just tapping me along and
Speaker 2: has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions.
Speaker 2: Too many people are dying. That was the most forthright
Speaker 2: hint toward. Okay, the different way of handling Putin is coming.
Speaker 5: What he said is true within without a shadow of
Speaker 5: doubt that Putin's just been tapping him along. I've never
Speaker 5: heard that expression, but yeah, I know what he means.
Speaker 5: That's without question, Yeah, pretending he wants a piece talk
Speaker 5: while he continues to kill civilians and gain inches of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Of course, oh on, Putin announced today probably because of this,
Speaker 2: calling for a ceasefire for May eleventh through the thirteenth
Speaker 2: or something like that. It's some big holiday they have
Speaker 2: in Russia to celebrate the end of World War two.
Speaker 2: But they should get the most credit for winning. By
Speaker 2: the way, but he isn't going to do a ceasefire,
Speaker 2: you know. He called for a ceasefire over Easter and
Speaker 2: then attacked apartment complexes. So but that's what he does,
Speaker 2: and he gets away with it a lot.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I've just got to equival slightly with your giving credit
Speaker 5: to Russia for winning World War Two.
Speaker 3: If it were not for.
Speaker 5: Hitler deciding to invade, especially in the chilly weather, months
Speaker 5: might have gone very, very differently. But anyway, true, that's
Speaker 5: not a quibbal, just a good lord talk about your
Speaker 5: bad decisions.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 5: I find it so difficult to figure out Trump's motives
Speaker 5: at times, especially because he's pretty mercure and change his
Speaker 5: direction in a way that I find disconcerting.
Speaker 3: But if he has as.
Speaker 5: A hardcore humanitarian belief that the war is feutile and
Speaker 5: must end because too many good people are dying, and
Speaker 5: he thinks my one goal is ending the dying, I
Speaker 5: get putting enormous pressure on Zelensky because if you were
Speaker 5: to look at this as an independent analyst, and I've
Speaker 5: been tasked. I'm working for one of the big consulting firms,
Speaker 5: KPMG or something like that. They say, Joe, we need
Speaker 5: you to put together a report on how to end
Speaker 5: this war. One of the things I would say is
Speaker 5: the Ukrainians want to fight to the death. They are
Speaker 5: not going to end this war until they get the
Speaker 5: country back, and that's extremely illegal and so and I'm
Speaker 5: not arguing in favor of this. I'm just trying to
Speaker 5: understand it so I could see where Trump would go
Speaker 5: into the process thinking, the one thing I gotta do
Speaker 5: is talk to Zelensky into fighting to the death, talking
Speaker 5: him out of fighting to the death until all of
Speaker 5: their ground is regained, because that's never gonna happen. And
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a tough nut to crack because there
Speaker 5: are proud people. Might that explain his rhetoric. I don't
Speaker 5: know why you have to say he started the war.
Speaker 3: That's still looney to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said it he'd get over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh and yet another end.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get that at all. I sure would
Speaker 2: like him to call Pootin out as an evil, evil
Speaker 2: bastard because he is. He's one of the worst people
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. And similar to Ron Reagan saying evil
Speaker 2: empire and various things like that, you gotta call out
Speaker 2: evil where you where it exists. AnyWho, I was listening
Speaker 2: to the Dispatch podcast over the weekend. We're fans of
Speaker 2: the Dispatch around here, and they had a really interesting
Speaker 2: conversation about Trump's worldview and politics, a couple of things
Speaker 2: that I'd never heard before. They're not Trump fans around there,
Speaker 2: but one of the things he said, I think David
Speaker 2: French of The New York Times brought this up that
Speaker 2: Trump is, by any definition, a really good politician. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would define good politician. But
Speaker 2: he got elected president twice, and that third time he ran,
Speaker 2: he lost eighty thousand votes, so I know, with no
Speaker 2: experience whatsoever. So but I think this is very, very
Speaker 2: true that one thing Trump probably sensed throughout his business career,
Speaker 2: you know, funding all politicians of different stripes for a
Speaker 2: variety of reasons, is that these people don't actually stand
Speaker 2: up for what they believe in. They are I don't
Speaker 2: know if cowards is fair, they're more they're more practical.
Speaker 2: That's better than saying cowards they're ripped with pillion. They're
Speaker 2: way more practical than they let on that they are.
Speaker 2: And and he has made that work in the Republican
Speaker 2: Party with people you know who who've said all kinds
Speaker 2: of nasty things about him or say they won't go
Speaker 2: along with this or that. But what it comes down to,
Speaker 2: do I want to stay in office or not. They
Speaker 2: choose stay in office over whatever belief they had. And
Speaker 2: then Steve Hayes of The Dispatch weighed in with his
Speaker 2: decades of covering Washington, d C. Saying he learned over
Speaker 2: the years a lot of these people the stuff that
Speaker 2: they claimed they believe, they didn't believe that much anyway.
Speaker 2: So you got the combination of, even if I really
Speaker 2: believe something, I'd still rather keep my job than resign,
Speaker 2: yeah or lose. And two a lot of them didn't
Speaker 2: believe it in the first place. It just seemed like
Speaker 2: the best way to get elected. You know, TEA party
Speaker 2: was hot. So I'll claim H'm from small, small government,
Speaker 2: but I don't actually care. I just want to be
Speaker 2: in office. And I think we would all be better
Speaker 2: off if we recognized that that was true, and I'm
Speaker 2: not saying at all, this is just a Republican party.
Speaker 2: I remember Laurence O'Donnell, who I can't stand of MSNBC,
Speaker 2: but he was He worked in the Senate for many,
Speaker 2: many years, and I remember him saying geez a couple
Speaker 2: of decades ago. Now on Chris matthews Show, Chris Matthews
Speaker 2: brought up the idea of these Democratic senators fighting for
Speaker 2: this or that, and Lawrence O'Donnell, who had been the
Speaker 2: behind the scenes guy at the Senate for a very
Speaker 2: long time, said, I've never seen a senator fight for anything.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm just telling you that, I've never seen
Speaker 2: one fight for anything ever.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: You vote for it or work for it if you
Speaker 2: think it'll keep you in office, or you can do
Speaker 2: it without losing. But if it comes down to I
Speaker 2: want to stay elected, that's your choice.
Speaker 3: Always.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't we all be better off if we recognize that
Speaker 2: that's the way it works. Also my third point, and
Speaker 2: this didn't come up in the podcast. I think this
Speaker 2: all the time. I think people throw around way too casually,
Speaker 2: the idea of standing up for your principles at the
Speaker 2: risk of getting booted out of office, or you should resign.
Speaker 2: If you feel that way, how likely you're going to
Speaker 2: resign from your job? And then all of us sudden
Speaker 2: you got no job and you got to come up
Speaker 2: with an entire new life plan for how you're going
Speaker 2: to make your house payment, you know, support your kids,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I mean, that's it's way easy to
Speaker 2: say of these politicians that they should have more guts
Speaker 2: with their job, when most of us would do a
Speaker 2: lot of things to make sure we don't lose our careers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's even more complicated than that, I think, because
Speaker 5: if I believed in X, whatever issue, you can pick
Speaker 5: one of my many jihads. If I believe in X,
Speaker 5: and I'm just not able to get X done, and
Speaker 5: I sense that if I keep hammering on X, I'm
Speaker 5: going to lose my office. I might really truly believe
Speaker 5: in issue X and think, you know what, let me
Speaker 5: get another term, and I'm going to keep plugging.
Speaker 3: But I got to be cool about it. For now.
Speaker 2: That's true and a very charitable view. I don't know
Speaker 2: how that's just true in a certain percentage. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much of it is that I think
Speaker 2: there's an awful lot of I will just I just
Speaker 2: I figure out a way to get elected, and now
Speaker 2: I'm going to stay in office. That's about all I
Speaker 2: ever think.
Speaker 3: About this one. Yeah, yeah, of.
Speaker 2: Which Trump understood in a way that I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot of people do. And he thought, you know,
Speaker 2: if I have, if I'm in a position where they
Speaker 2: got to go along with me or they might lose,
Speaker 2: they're going to go along with me.
Speaker 3: And He's been right a lot.
Speaker 5: And if they've said horrendous things about me in the past,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That mean what they think do they They may have
Speaker 2: believed that and now they got to keep their mouth shut,
Speaker 2: or they didn't believe that at the time they were
Speaker 2: they misread the room and thought being against me was
Speaker 2: their best option.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or they're just a little late to the party.
Speaker 5: Either way, they're useful to me now. So much of
Speaker 5: politics is just transactional.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and the more you realize that, and the more
Speaker 5: quote unquote cynical you become, the smarter you are.
Speaker 3: Because the whole scam is I.
Speaker 5: Believe firmly in these things, and I will lead you
Speaker 5: because I care about you. That's the scam. Now you
Speaker 5: got a guy like Rand Paul. He actually believes what
Speaker 5: he says. I don't know if it's one hundred percent
Speaker 5: or eighty percent or whatever, but he's a guy with
Speaker 5: a mission, a massy from Texas. He believes what he says.
Speaker 5: There are a couple of more, but just a couple
Speaker 5: other than that. No, they're just they're they're a tool
Speaker 5: to get what you want done as a voter, and
Speaker 5: if they don't get it done, then they're a bad tool.
Speaker 5: Try another tool. But they are not a savior.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: How many of the people who pitch fiscal conservatism or
Speaker 2: or you know, let's do the democrat side, you know,
Speaker 2: some of their we got to help the working people
Speaker 2: or whatever. The crab it's just that's just what they
Speaker 2: think keeps him in office. They don't They don't think
Speaker 2: about it or care about it really at all. Be
Speaker 2: a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's fun line between or a lot of
Speaker 5: gray area, I should say, between just pandering not having
Speaker 5: any beliefs, and crafting what you say about your beliefs
Speaker 5: so you get a chance to stay in office and
Speaker 5: enact them someday. I mean, where does one start and
Speaker 5: the other one end. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But as they pointed out, and I think is true,
Speaker 2: Trump's great talent might be he realized this to a level.
Speaker 2: Most people don't understand that these people have no convictions
Speaker 2: and staying in their job is their main priority. Times ten, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: And you can get them to dance to your tune
Speaker 5: if you are utterly heartless about primarying of them.
Speaker 2: Or right right? Have you right? It's pretty interesting. It's
Speaker 2: a disgusting, although you know the old saying it's the
Speaker 2: worst system except for every other one tried, which is
Speaker 2: still true. We will finish strong next time, arm strong?
Speaker 11: Yet?
Speaker 5: Do you have a cup? Pop cup?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I hear your pop asking for it.
Speaker 3: He's actually a rooster.
Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing him ahead. What's his name?
Speaker 3: Fluffy?
Speaker 2: That's so cute?
Speaker 3: Oh you got girl?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this chicken t get a picture?
Speaker 3: Yeah my day behind.
Speaker 2: That made you day. That made your day. Somebody bringing
Speaker 2: a rooster through the drive through at Starbucks? That made
Speaker 2: your day? Okay, a rooster named Fluffy? That made my day.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love.
Speaker 9: Your Oh my gosh, chicken.
Speaker 2: The whole pop cup thing. They're all chicken I find
Speaker 2: the whole pup cup thing, you know, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I like dogs, but.
Speaker 3: Just what I would have got a lot works.
Speaker 9: I would have gotten a lot more joy out of
Speaker 9: that clip if the chick would have been like, no, no,
Speaker 9: that's not a pup, So you can have no pup cups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't have barnyard animal.
Speaker 5: We don't have chicken cups here at Starbucks have rules,
Speaker 5: we have standards.
Speaker 2: Made your day with your chicken made day. All the
Speaker 2: things that could make my day. Seeing a rooster in
Speaker 2: the drive through would not be it.
Speaker 9: There's so many jokes that could be made about those
Speaker 9: girls going, oh my god about a rooster.
Speaker 5: Right, wow, wow, Well let's roll on. It's a new
Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty feature at women in their beverages.
Speaker 11: I leaned in to take a sip and I noticed
Speaker 11: that something hit me on the forehead and I looked
Speaker 11: at my husband like what was that? And when I
Speaker 11: turned around, I saw the snake in my margarita and
Speaker 11: I just jumped away from the bar. At that point,
Speaker 11: there was moving. It started wrapping around my straw. They
Speaker 11: grabbed stick trying to get it, and I was just like, please,
Speaker 11: don't let it with my purse. Another man that was
Speaker 11: having dinner on the other side of the bar came
Speaker 11: and he grabbed it and took it out. I left
Speaker 11: shaking like I was traumatized.
Speaker 3: It's a woman who found a snake in her margarita.
Speaker 2: I gathered that.
Speaker 9: She there is something hit her in the forehead. So
Speaker 9: she turned around and asked her husband.
Speaker 2: What was that? And it was a snake on her straw.
Speaker 2: This didn't happen how big she was.
Speaker 5: She was sipping it and perhaps had her eyes closed,
Speaker 5: and then the snake leapt out of the margarita. The
Speaker 5: way they didn't hit her somehow, you know, the way
Speaker 5: margarita will hoooped her in the forehead, her eyes being closed.
Speaker 3: She had to turn to her man.
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you, Katie. I think she brought
Speaker 2: a snake to the bar or whatever threw it in
Speaker 2: her margarita, hopeing and become a reality star or something.
Speaker 3: I'm strong, I'm strong, You're ready, Katie Green strong.
Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 5: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew
Speaker 5: to wrap things up for the day. There he is
Speaker 5: pressing the buttons. Michael Angelo. What's your final thought, Michael. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think if I had a tramp stamp,
Speaker 5: what it would say or what it would be, So
Speaker 5: I guess it would be Kirkling signature.
Speaker 2: You know, wow, affordable luxury.
Speaker 3: Michael, I hear you.
Speaker 5: Katie Green are esteemed to use woman as a final thought, Katie.
Speaker 9: Michael and I are on the same page today because
Speaker 9: I just text message to my tattoo artist and he's
Speaker 9: going to drop a mock Armstrong and Getty tramp stamp.
Speaker 2: I like it, except I don't think HR lets us
Speaker 2: look at it so we can't see it ever.
Speaker 3: Wow, too bad, jack. Final thought for us.
Speaker 2: My youngest was at boy scout camp all weekend, so
Speaker 2: my oldest and I went off to San Francisco and
Speaker 2: split the weekend together. We hadn't done any thing just
Speaker 2: the two of us in so long, which is a
Speaker 2: crime shame. It was so freaking awesome. And he's fifteen
Speaker 2: and a half when he'll be gone soon, And uh.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's beautiful. I love that. My final thought.
Speaker 5: I was looking at the reviews of this audio video
Speaker 5: company see if I should hire them, and I noticed
Speaker 5: there's one one star review and I went to it
Speaker 5: and it reads terrible. I purchased to use Lexus and
Speaker 5: had it delivered. Huge mistake. Paid over four thousand dollars
Speaker 5: for the warranty. I was guaranteed the car was in
Speaker 5: prime shape. Never do business with these people. It's like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, a car. This is the wrong business. Google,
Speaker 5: What are you doing? Why is that review still there?
Speaker 5: S dragging down the ratings? They're not a car dealer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the complaints people in businesses have
Speaker 2: about the whole Google review. You'll previews, et cetera. Armstrong
Speaker 2: and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday, so.
Speaker 3: Many people, thanks so little time.
Speaker 5: Go to Armstrong and Getdy dot com for the hot
Speaker 5: links for Katie's corner drops. Note if there's something we
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Speaker 2: See tomorrow. God bless America.
Speaker 3: I read President Trump's the Move with the aunt to
Speaker 3: make I'm Strong and Getty. What do we want to
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