1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty arm. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: Strong and Jettie and now he. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Yetty. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 4: I read President Trump's book The Art to Make a Deedle, 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 4: and he. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: Advised to just close information before before it's time. 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 2: I just thought that was funny. Uh, that's the Art 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: to make a deal. I read The Art to Make 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: Va Making Deals. We didn't get to Trump's comments over 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: the weekend where he said I thought the toughest stuff 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: he said about Russia. Maybe a change of tone. I 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: don't know. He had a meeting alone alone with Zelenski 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: there at the Vatican because of the Pope's funeral. No 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: idea what they talked about out, but more on that later. Yeah, yeah, 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: interesting stuff. So a crazy, crazy thing happening. I saw 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 2: Donald Trump in the movies Homes to Be Homing Alone too, 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: and also. 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: The is Levrov and I every week watched the apprenticing. 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Exactly. 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, well his English is better than my Russian. So 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 5: crazy thing happened last week in Wisconsin involving a rogue judge. 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 5: We'll see how Pere Thomas of ABC News does describe 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 5: in What Happens sixty Michael, a. 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 6: Sitting state court judge, is facing federal charges and up 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 6: to six years in prison. Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 6: Dugan faces multiple charges for allegedly obstructing ICE agents trying 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 6: to arrest in undocumented immigrants. According to a newly unsealed indictment, 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 6: on April eighteenth, Dugan was visibly upset when she and 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 6: another judge confronted a group of federal agents that had 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 6: come to her courthouse to arrest Eduardo Flores Ruez, an 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 6: undocumented Mexican citizen who was in court to face misdemeanor 33 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 6: domestic violence charges. Agent said she told them to go 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 6: to see the chief judge of the courthouse and went 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 6: back to her courtroom, where Judge Jugan then escorted Flores 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 6: Ruez and his counsel out of the courtroom through a 37 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 6: jury door. Flores Ruez was later arrested near the courthouse. 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 5: Okay, there are a lot of facts he got right there. 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: But it's interesting you come away with a different impression 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: than you're about to have. Ah, what was I gonna say? 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: It seemed important at the time when it went by 42 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 5: him and. 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: That's weird. Oh, that's right. 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 5: The Washington Post portrayed this whole episode as part of 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 5: Trump's war against the judiciary. This is really sending a 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 5: message to judges all over the country. 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 3: That's something, something. 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: Having a chilling effect all bet Oh, absolutely so. 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 5: John Roberts on Fox News. I was talking to any 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: General BONDI about what happened. Listen to this play by 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 5: play and how does the deal feel to you after 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 5: you hear this? 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: So let me read a little bit from the criminal 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: complaint here, and Judge Dugan says, despite having been advised 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores Ruiz, 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 4: Judge Dugan then escorted Flores Ruiz and his counsel out 57 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: of the courtroom through the jury door, which leads to 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: a non public area of the courthouse. 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: A footchase ensued. 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 4: The agents pursued Flora's Ruiz for the entire link to 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: the courthouse, and ultimately apprehended him. According to this complaint, 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: Judge Jiggen was visibly angry that Ice was there to 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: arrest Flores Ruiz even tried to kick the deportation agents 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: out of the courthouse. 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to set the stage for you and Sandra. 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: This was truly horrific. This guy was in court being 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: prosecuted by a state prosecutor for domestic violence battery. He 68 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: had beat up two people, a guy and a girl. 69 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Beat the guy hif guy thirty times, knocked him to 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: the ground, choked him, beat up a woman so badly 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: they both had to go to the hospital. And John, 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: you know it's so rare for victims to want to cooperate. 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: They wanted to cooperate. 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: They were sitting in the courtroom with the state prosecutor. 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: The judge learns that Ice was outside to get the 76 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: guy because he had been deported in twenty thirteen, came 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: back in our country, commits these crimes. Charged with committing 78 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: these crimes victims in court, judge finds out. She goes 79 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: out in the hallway, screams at the immigration officers. She's furious, 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: visibly shaken, upset, sends them off to talk to the 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: chief judge. She comes back in the courtroom here going 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: to believe this, takes the defendant and the defense attorney 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: back in her chambers, takes him out of private exit 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: and tells him to leave while a state prosecutor and 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: victims of domestic violence are sitting in the courtroom. 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: Wow, so look at that message this guy's And by 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: the way, you beat the hell out of two people 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 5: and it's a misdemeanor. Wow, including a woman. But so anyway, 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 5: with the prosecut ready to go on the case and 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: the victims in the courtroom, judge Lady judge says, no, no, no, 91 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: what's much more important is this poor immigrant. Because no 92 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: human being is illegal. He must be freed from the 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: clutches of ice. So I'm going to end the trial 94 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: right now and show them the emergency exit and then 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: everybody's going to be around sitting around in the courtroom thinking, hey, 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 5: what the hell happened to the defendant? But it will 97 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 5: help him escape the clutches of ice. How perverse is that? 98 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's got to be straightened out. We've got 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: to figure this out. The Supreme Court has to rule 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: on this. Look, federal laws are federal laws. You don't 101 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: get to choose to be a city that ignores them. 102 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: Well, right, and if there's a immigration detainer and enforcement 103 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 5: action that the federal government has gone through due process 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 5: to set up, then yeah, you have to cooperate with 105 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: federal authorities. I mean there there, and you know, if 106 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 5: this were at all like a wobbly proposition like the 107 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: federal government was trying to enforce i don't know, good 108 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: hygiene or or you know, using proper English in public 109 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 5: or something like that. Okay, all right, that's a little 110 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 5: weird and intrusive, but that's the purview of the federal 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 5: government immigration that they're supposed to deal with. That they're saying, 112 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 5: this person is due to be you know, removed from. 113 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: The country deported. Yeah. 114 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm hoping this insane era passes by pretty quickly. 115 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: I just it's it's just nuts. 116 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 5: Worth pointing this out too, especially if you ever watch 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: any of the Evening Evening Newses. This is a clip 118 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: sixty seven here. I think it's self explanatory. 119 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 7: The White House has put up about one hundred posters 120 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 7: of what they say or unauthorized immigrants who have been 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 7: arrested for violent crimes. You could see them there. They 122 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 7: put them up on the driveway of the White House. 123 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 7: If you look here, that's the West wing just at 124 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 7: the forefront the Executive Mansion itself to the left. But 125 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 7: what's particularly noteworthy about this location is it is right 126 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 7: directly behind the positions where TV correspondents do their hits 127 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 7: from the White House lawnch So therefore, no matter what 128 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 7: network you're on that includes MSNBC, if you're doing a 129 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 7: hit from. 130 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: The White House right now, those pictures. 131 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 7: Will be behind you, the White House doing a briefing 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 7: in about a half hour about what. 133 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: They're doing here. 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, I find the whole one hundred day thing tedious anyway, 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: it is a pseudo event. Google it. It's a thing 136 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: that was described to many, many, many decades ago. The 137 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: media invents a thing then covers it like it's right, 138 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: like it happened spontaneously. But they to be covered, yes, yeah, exactly. 139 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 140 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: And final note Rich Lowry, who I find he writes 141 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 5: for the National Review. He's actually an editor in chief, 142 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: I think. But in terms of reasonableness and sense of 143 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: humor and fairness and the rest of it is about 144 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 5: at the top of the heap. But he was writing 145 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: about the whole due process question, and he makes an 146 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 5: excellent point, at least rhetorically, that Biden and company let 147 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: millions of people into the country without any due process whatsoever, 148 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 5: just you know, handed him a notice to appear that 149 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: they will ignore it completely and has changed the face 150 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 5: of the United States. Does that mean we don't have 151 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 5: to follow due process to get. 152 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: Rid of people? No, No, it's more difficult than that. 153 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 5: But Rich's ultimate point in this piece is that self 154 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 5: deportations are the way to do this, and the way 155 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: you do that is through everify. 156 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely. If you can't get a job, you leave. 157 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 5: Can't get welfare benefits off you go, can't get your 158 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: kids into schools, et cetera. It's a beautiful, elegant solution. 159 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 5: All right, you want to talk about but we need 160 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 5: guest workers. 161 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: Okay, let's solve that. That's not impossible. 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: It might be, you know, a little controversial, but it 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 5: can be done. If we're at all serious about this stuff, 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 5: we could solve it in six months, including getting the 165 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: legislation through Congress where laws ought to come from. 166 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 2: I was in Chinatown in San Francisco over the weekend 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: with my son. How does that still? How are there 168 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: still so many people of Chinese origin? I mean, I understand, 169 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: like Chinese coming to this country in eighteen fifties and 170 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: building the railroad and all those different sort of things, 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: But how does it continue to be? I mean, so 172 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: many places in it seems people speak primarily Chinese and 173 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: all the signs are in Chinese, and they're I'm surprised 174 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: that continues. There hasn't been more of a uh, what's 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: the word we always use when different people come together 176 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: in assilation. I'm surprised there has been more assimilation in 177 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: your chinatowns. 178 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: I guess because you don't have to. 179 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: I know pretty well well two Americans who are living 180 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 5: in foreign lands as part of expat communities there. 181 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: And so there's just no need to learn that language 182 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 2: you hang out with other Americans. 183 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, one is in a Spanish speaking land and the 184 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: others in Thailand. But yeah, you pick up a little 185 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 5: just to you know, you live there. You might as 186 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: well be able to say hello and good afternoon, thank you, 187 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. But other than that, you 188 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 5: live in an nextpac community and. 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Interesting people speak English. My other speaking of people coming 190 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: here from foreign lands, just my favorite thing that Trump 191 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: did over the weekend. I'm being sarcastic. He trumped this out. 192 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm bringing Columbus Day back from the ashes. The Democrats 193 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: did everything possible to destroy Christopher Columbus's reputation, and all 194 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: of the Italians that love him so much they tore 195 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: down his statues and put up nothing but woke or 196 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: even worse, nothing at all. Well, you'll be happy to 197 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: know Christopher is going to make a major comeback. I'm 198 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: hereby reinstating Columbus Day under the same rules, dates and 199 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: locations as it had for all of them men decades before. 200 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: So call me get a tramp stamp of Christopher Columbus 201 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 5: because I understand tramp stamps are back too. 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: Both making you come back, Chris. It's funny the issues 203 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: that Trump jumps on bringing back Columbus Day. Okay, I 204 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: don't like the Wolke tearing down at Columbus Day statues. 205 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: Columbus Day is stupid, but o size. 206 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 5: I do not have a u a boat in this expedition. 207 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: So yes, Joe references gen Z. Women are bringing back 208 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: the tramp stamp proudly. It's empowering them somehow, I don't 209 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: quite get it. Among other things on the way stay here. 210 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: I suppose we are kind of loose with the term 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: tramp stamp, with the assumption that everybody knows what it is. 212 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: Probably most people in the demographic listening do. It's a uh, 213 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: it's a kind of tattoo lower back tattoo just above 214 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: the cleft, could be a variety of things. Well, let 215 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: me read from the. 216 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,119 Speaker 3: Daily on a young lady. 217 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: On a young lady. Yes, tramp stamp is a derogatory 218 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: slang term. It's funny. It says that right off the 219 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: bat here, I I actually gotta admit I find them hot. 220 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: But I've never I've never been in any kind of 221 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: relationship with a woman who had one. So but it 222 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: says here. Tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term, particularly 223 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: used in the early mid two thousands, referring to a 224 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: tattoo in a woman's lower back. The term carries a 225 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: negative connotation, it says here, associating such tattoos with promiscuity 226 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: or loose morals. 227 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 5: The term is the care taking it all a ted 228 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 5: seriously but tesque go on. 229 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: The label is often used to shame or criticize women 230 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: who have this type of tattoo, with some attributing the 231 00:12:52,920 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: judgment to media portrayals and social expectations Wow expectations, to. 232 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 5: Booze writing this, you're a buzzkill. You're taking everything too seriously. 233 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 5: If people just say things because they're mildly clever, it 234 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 5: will all be fine. 235 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: Do you have a tramp stamp? Uh? And I say 236 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: that with no judgment whatsoever, Katie, No, I don't, and 237 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: I do. 238 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 5: You gotta ask Michael next, otherwise it's misogyny. 239 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: I honestly have no judgment about tramp stamps as opposed 240 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: to what I just read there, I have no judgment whatsoever. 241 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: I don't care. 242 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: Well, let's say, let's hear this TV news report from 243 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: today and then we can discuss the. 244 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 8: Major stock market drop has giving you flashbacks to the 245 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 8: two thousands. 246 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: This will just put you over the edge. 247 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 8: Gen Z is bringing back the lower back tube, derogatorily 248 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 8: referred to as the tramp stamp. So sorry to the 249 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 8: Tracys who just finished the last round of laser removal. 250 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: It's back, Tracy. Oh I remember pants like that? 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 252 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 8: So tattoo artists say it's coming back in a big way, 253 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 8: and it's actually a power move for women, one saying 254 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 8: getting a lower back tat allows women to reclaim in 255 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 8: negative stereotype. 256 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: Was there a single phrase in this story that wasn't 257 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 5: jive bullcrap? 258 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: First of all, do you have any judgment on tramp stamps? Katie? Uh? 259 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: I don't judge them. 260 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 9: No, but I do remember when I was going to 261 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 9: get my first tattoo, how I was told by everyone, Oh, 262 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 9: don't get it on your lower back. That's it was 263 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 9: the tramp stamp for the bumper sticker. 264 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: I noticed. And what is the famous movie, Uh, wedding 265 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: crashers might as well be a bullseye is the uh 266 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: but uh, it's crass. Well the reason I bring that 267 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: out but is crass is is that there was a 268 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: change there, even among women, because I know I've known 269 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: lots of women who don't have them and did have 270 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: judgment about them. So it wasn't universally accepted by women 271 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: as okay for a very long period of time, and 272 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: then it made the change to where it does denote 273 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: a certain personality type. Although I don't know that that's fair, Yes, Katie, Oh. 274 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 9: No, I was just this is taking me back all 275 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 9: of the things that I've heard it called and it's 276 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 9: not good. 277 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: Perhaps we could go through those on the podcast, Well 278 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: one more thing podcast. 279 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Unless their shirt pulls up or something like that, you 280 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: have to have a certain type of intimate moments even 281 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: recognize the fact that they have a tramp stamp. 282 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: So but beach. Sure you know a crop top. 283 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. The term stramp tamp tramp stamp is often used 284 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: to shame women, and the term perpetuates harmful cultural stereo 285 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: types about their sexuality. It does say here it's important 286 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: to note that men who have tattoos on their lower 287 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: backs are rarely, if ever, subjected to the same judgment 288 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: or Derogarey terms. 289 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: Asking you're bringing everybody down. 290 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: I think, I think. I think if you. I think 291 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: if you're a dude and like you bent over the 292 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: mini fridge to get a beer out and your shirt 293 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: pulled up and everybody saw your tramp stamp, there would 294 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: be judgment. 295 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: I don't. 296 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: I don't feel the judgments. Everybody would tell everybody, Oh 297 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: my god, you know Darren. 298 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it. 299 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: Wouldn't photos videos, I like misclaiming that there's no judgment 300 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: for men. Nah, there would be no. 301 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 9: Just a guy friend of mine started dating this girl 302 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 9: and he realized she had a tramp stamp, and he said, oh, 303 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 9: I can't, she's got. 304 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: A beer coaster. 305 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: I refer to them as perdition inscriptions or prostitution illustrations. 306 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: Tump taking everything, so damn seriously, it's fine. 307 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: It is kind of funny though, that everything comes back 308 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: in style, including things that had a very negative connotation. 309 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: It's empowering, says the news story. 310 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: Women start taking back a negative stereotype. 311 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 9: That barbed wire tattoo across her lower back really shows power. 312 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: It's empowering. 313 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: So much horse crap? 314 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: Does everybody have the time to worry about this sort 315 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: of thing? Well, you're not young, you're not twenty two 316 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: years old. 317 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: Far from it. 318 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, stay with us more in the way. 319 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 10: Armstrong and Geddy with President Trump and President Vladimir Zelenski 320 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 10: reunited at his funeral to discuss an end to the 321 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 10: war in Ukraine. It was the first meeting between Trump 322 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 10: and Zelenski since that Oval Office eruption in February. March 323 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 10: of the US pressure had been brought to bear on Ukraine, 324 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 10: but this latest meeting triggered a shift from President Trump, 325 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 10: who now appears to be threatening sanctions against Vladimir Putin. 326 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 10: In a post on social media, he wondered if Putin 327 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 10: is just tapping me along and has to be dealt 328 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 10: with differently through banking or secondary sanctions. The White House 329 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 10: called Trump and Zelenski's Vatican face to face very productive, 330 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 10: Zelensky echoing that sentiment, saying it was a very symbolic 331 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 10: meeting that has potential to become historic. 332 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that was something. If you haven't seen 333 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: the picture, it looked very impromptu, like they had grabbed 334 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: a couple of folding chairs and pulled him over in 335 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 2: the corner and it was just the two of them, 336 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: completely alone, having a conversation. Yeah, which I think is 337 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: a good thing, absolutely, especially given you know Bill Maher 338 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: talking about going to the White House and saying he 339 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: was so different. Trump was so different than he expected 340 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: him to be, and how more serial self aware he is, 341 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: and how he listened so much better, blah blah blah. 342 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: I'll bet I'll bet he and Zelensky had a very 343 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: real conversation. 344 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 345 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 5: Oh to uh have a transcript to that, I'd be 346 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 5: so interested in it. 347 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a reason Trump wanted that to be 348 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: away from everybody and anyway, so I'll read from the 349 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: post that they referenced there, very long post Trump put 350 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: out over the weekend bashing the New York Times for 351 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: their coverage of this and that and everything, and then 352 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: he gets to this all about Ukraine and the Russian 353 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: and the coverage. This is sleepy Joe Biden's war, not mine. 354 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: It was a loser from day one and should have 355 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: never happened, and wouldn't have happened if I were president 356 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: at the time. I'm just trying to clean up the 357 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: mess that was left to me by Obama and Biden, 358 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: and what a mess it is. With all that being said, 359 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: there was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles 360 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: into civilian areas, cities, and towns over the last few days. 361 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to 362 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: stop the war. Maybe he's just tapping me along and 363 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions. 364 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: Too many people are dying. That was the most forthright 365 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: hint toward. Okay, the different way of handling Putin is coming. 366 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 5: What he said is true within without a shadow of 367 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 5: doubt that Putin's just been tapping him along. I've never 368 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: heard that expression, but yeah, I know what he means. 369 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 5: That's without question, Yeah, pretending he wants a piece talk 370 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 5: while he continues to kill civilians and gain inches of Ukraine. 371 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: Of course, oh on, Putin announced today probably because of this, 372 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: calling for a ceasefire for May eleventh through the thirteenth 373 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: or something like that. It's some big holiday they have 374 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: in Russia to celebrate the end of World War two. 375 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: But they should get the most credit for winning. By 376 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: the way, but he isn't going to do a ceasefire, 377 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: you know. He called for a ceasefire over Easter and 378 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: then attacked apartment complexes. So but that's what he does, 379 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: and he gets away with it a lot. 380 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: You know. 381 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 5: I've just got to equival slightly with your giving credit 382 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 5: to Russia for winning World War Two. 383 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: If it were not for. 384 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 5: Hitler deciding to invade, especially in the chilly weather, months 385 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 5: might have gone very, very differently. But anyway, true, that's 386 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 5: not a quibbal, just a good lord talk about your 387 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 5: bad decisions. 388 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: Uh yeah. 389 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: I find it so difficult to figure out Trump's motives 390 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: at times, especially because he's pretty mercure and change his 391 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: direction in a way that I find disconcerting. 392 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: But if he has as. 393 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: A hardcore humanitarian belief that the war is feutile and 394 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 5: must end because too many good people are dying, and 395 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 5: he thinks my one goal is ending the dying, I 396 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 5: get putting enormous pressure on Zelensky because if you were 397 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 5: to look at this as an independent analyst, and I've 398 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: been tasked. I'm working for one of the big consulting firms, 399 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 5: KPMG or something like that. They say, Joe, we need 400 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 5: you to put together a report on how to end 401 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 5: this war. One of the things I would say is 402 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 5: the Ukrainians want to fight to the death. They are 403 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: not going to end this war until they get the 404 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 5: country back, and that's extremely illegal and so and I'm 405 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 5: not arguing in favor of this. I'm just trying to 406 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 5: understand it so I could see where Trump would go 407 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 5: into the process thinking, the one thing I gotta do 408 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: is talk to Zelensky into fighting to the death, talking 409 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 5: him out of fighting to the death until all of 410 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 5: their ground is regained, because that's never gonna happen. And 411 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 5: that's gonna be a tough nut to crack because there 412 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 5: are proud people. Might that explain his rhetoric. I don't 413 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 5: know why you have to say he started the war. 414 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: That's still looney to him. 415 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said it he'd get over the weekend. 416 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: Oh and yet another end. 417 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm trying. 418 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get that at all. I sure would 419 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: like him to call Pootin out as an evil, evil 420 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: bastard because he is. He's one of the worst people 421 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: on planet Earth. And similar to Ron Reagan saying evil 422 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: empire and various things like that, you gotta call out 423 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: evil where you where it exists. AnyWho, I was listening 424 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: to the Dispatch podcast over the weekend. We're fans of 425 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: the Dispatch around here, and they had a really interesting 426 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: conversation about Trump's worldview and politics, a couple of things 427 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: that I'd never heard before. They're not Trump fans around there, 428 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: but one of the things he said, I think David 429 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: French of The New York Times brought this up that 430 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: Trump is, by any definition, a really good politician. I mean, 431 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how you would define good politician. But 432 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: he got elected president twice, and that third time he ran, 433 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: he lost eighty thousand votes, so I know, with no 434 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: experience whatsoever. So but I think this is very, very 435 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: true that one thing Trump probably sensed throughout his business career, 436 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: you know, funding all politicians of different stripes for a 437 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: variety of reasons, is that these people don't actually stand 438 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: up for what they believe in. They are I don't 439 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: know if cowards is fair, they're more they're more practical. 440 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: That's better than saying cowards they're ripped with pillion. They're 441 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: way more practical than they let on that they are. 442 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: And and he has made that work in the Republican 443 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: Party with people you know who who've said all kinds 444 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: of nasty things about him or say they won't go 445 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: along with this or that. But what it comes down to, 446 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: do I want to stay in office or not. They 447 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: choose stay in office over whatever belief they had. And 448 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: then Steve Hayes of The Dispatch weighed in with his 449 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: decades of covering Washington, d C. Saying he learned over 450 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: the years a lot of these people the stuff that 451 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: they claimed they believe, they didn't believe that much anyway. 452 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: So you got the combination of, even if I really 453 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: believe something, I'd still rather keep my job than resign, 454 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: yeah or lose. And two a lot of them didn't 455 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: believe it in the first place. It just seemed like 456 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: the best way to get elected. You know, TEA party 457 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 2: was hot. So I'll claim H'm from small, small government, 458 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: but I don't actually care. I just want to be 459 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: in office. And I think we would all be better 460 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: off if we recognized that that was true, and I'm 461 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: not saying at all, this is just a Republican party. 462 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: I remember Laurence O'Donnell, who I can't stand of MSNBC, 463 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: but he was He worked in the Senate for many, 464 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: many years, and I remember him saying geez a couple 465 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: of decades ago. Now on Chris matthews Show, Chris Matthews 466 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: brought up the idea of these Democratic senators fighting for 467 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: this or that, and Lawrence O'Donnell, who had been the 468 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: behind the scenes guy at the Senate for a very 469 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: long time, said, I've never seen a senator fight for anything. 470 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: I said, I'm just telling you that, I've never seen 471 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: one fight for anything ever. 472 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 473 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: You vote for it or work for it if you 474 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: think it'll keep you in office, or you can do 475 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: it without losing. But if it comes down to I 476 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: want to stay elected, that's your choice. 477 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: Always. 478 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: Wouldn't we all be better off if we recognize that 479 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: that's the way it works. Also my third point, and 480 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: this didn't come up in the podcast. I think this 481 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: all the time. I think people throw around way too casually, 482 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: the idea of standing up for your principles at the 483 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: risk of getting booted out of office, or you should resign. 484 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: If you feel that way, how likely you're going to 485 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: resign from your job? And then all of us sudden 486 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: you got no job and you got to come up 487 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 2: with an entire new life plan for how you're going 488 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: to make your house payment, you know, support your kids, 489 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I mean, that's it's way easy to 490 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: say of these politicians that they should have more guts 491 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: with their job, when most of us would do a 492 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 2: lot of things to make sure we don't lose our careers. 493 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's even more complicated than that, I think, because 494 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 5: if I believed in X, whatever issue, you can pick 495 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 5: one of my many jihads. If I believe in X, 496 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: and I'm just not able to get X done, and 497 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 5: I sense that if I keep hammering on X, I'm 498 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 5: going to lose my office. I might really truly believe 499 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 5: in issue X and think, you know what, let me 500 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 5: get another term, and I'm going to keep plugging. 501 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 3: But I got to be cool about it. For now. 502 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: That's true and a very charitable view. I don't know 503 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: how that's just true in a certain percentage. Yeah, I 504 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: don't know how much of it is that I think 505 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: there's an awful lot of I will just I just 506 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: I figure out a way to get elected, and now 507 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to stay in office. That's about all I 508 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: ever think. 509 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: About this one. Yeah, yeah, of. 510 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Which Trump understood in a way that I don't think 511 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: a lot of people do. And he thought, you know, 512 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: if I have, if I'm in a position where they 513 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: got to go along with me or they might lose, 514 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: they're going to go along with me. 515 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: And He's been right a lot. 516 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 5: And if they've said horrendous things about me in the past, 517 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. 518 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: That mean what they think do they They may have 519 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: believed that and now they got to keep their mouth shut, 520 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: or they didn't believe that at the time they were 521 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: they misread the room and thought being against me was 522 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: their best option. 523 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, or they're just a little late to the party. 524 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 5: Either way, they're useful to me now. So much of 525 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 5: politics is just transactional. 526 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. 527 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 5: Well, and the more you realize that, and the more 528 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 5: quote unquote cynical you become, the smarter you are. 529 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: Because the whole scam is I. 530 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 5: Believe firmly in these things, and I will lead you 531 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: because I care about you. That's the scam. Now you 532 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: got a guy like Rand Paul. He actually believes what 533 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 5: he says. I don't know if it's one hundred percent 534 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 5: or eighty percent or whatever, but he's a guy with 535 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 5: a mission, a massy from Texas. He believes what he says. 536 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 5: There are a couple of more, but just a couple 537 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 5: other than that. No, they're just they're they're a tool 538 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 5: to get what you want done as a voter, and 539 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: if they don't get it done, then they're a bad tool. 540 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 5: Try another tool. But they are not a savior. 541 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 3: Wow. 542 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: How many of the people who pitch fiscal conservatism or 543 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 2: or you know, let's do the democrat side, you know, 544 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: some of their we got to help the working people 545 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: or whatever. The crab it's just that's just what they 546 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: think keeps him in office. They don't They don't think 547 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: about it or care about it really at all. Be 548 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: a lot of them. 549 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's fun line between or a lot of 550 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 5: gray area, I should say, between just pandering not having 551 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 5: any beliefs, and crafting what you say about your beliefs 552 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: so you get a chance to stay in office and 553 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: enact them someday. I mean, where does one start and 554 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: the other one end. I don't know. 555 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. 556 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: But as they pointed out, and I think is true, 557 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: Trump's great talent might be he realized this to a level. 558 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: Most people don't understand that these people have no convictions 559 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: and staying in their job is their main priority. Times ten, yes, yes, yes. 560 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 5: And you can get them to dance to your tune 561 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: if you are utterly heartless about primarying of them. 562 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: Or right right? Have you right? It's pretty interesting. It's 563 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: a disgusting, although you know the old saying it's the 564 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: worst system except for every other one tried, which is 565 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: still true. We will finish strong next time, arm strong? 566 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 11: Yet? 567 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 5: Do you have a cup? Pop cup? 568 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely? I hear your pop asking for it. 569 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: He's actually a rooster. 570 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing him ahead. What's his name? 571 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: Fluffy? 572 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: That's so cute? 573 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: Oh you got girl? 574 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this chicken t get a picture? 575 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah my day behind. 576 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: That made you day. That made your day. Somebody bringing 577 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: a rooster through the drive through at Starbucks? That made 578 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: your day? Okay, a rooster named Fluffy? That made my day. 579 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love. 580 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 9: Your Oh my gosh, chicken. 581 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: The whole pop cup thing. They're all chicken I find 582 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: the whole pup cup thing, you know, Like, I mean, 583 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: I like dogs, but. 584 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 3: Just what I would have got a lot works. 585 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: I would have gotten a lot more joy out of 586 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 9: that clip if the chick would have been like, no, no, 587 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 9: that's not a pup, So you can have no pup cups. 588 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't have barnyard animal. 589 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: We don't have chicken cups here at Starbucks have rules, 590 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: we have standards. 591 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: Made your day with your chicken made day. All the 592 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: things that could make my day. Seeing a rooster in 593 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: the drive through would not be it. 594 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 9: There's so many jokes that could be made about those 595 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 9: girls going, oh my god about a rooster. 596 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 5: Right, wow, wow, Well let's roll on. It's a new 597 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty feature at women in their beverages. 598 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 11: I leaned in to take a sip and I noticed 599 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 11: that something hit me on the forehead and I looked 600 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 11: at my husband like what was that? And when I 601 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 11: turned around, I saw the snake in my margarita and 602 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 11: I just jumped away from the bar. At that point, 603 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 11: there was moving. It started wrapping around my straw. They 604 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 11: grabbed stick trying to get it, and I was just like, please, 605 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 11: don't let it with my purse. Another man that was 606 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 11: having dinner on the other side of the bar came 607 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 11: and he grabbed it and took it out. I left 608 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 11: shaking like I was traumatized. 609 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: It's a woman who found a snake in her margarita. 610 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: I gathered that. 611 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 9: She there is something hit her in the forehead. So 612 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 9: she turned around and asked her husband. 613 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: What was that? And it was a snake on her straw. 614 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: This didn't happen how big she was. 615 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 5: She was sipping it and perhaps had her eyes closed, 616 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 5: and then the snake leapt out of the margarita. The 617 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 5: way they didn't hit her somehow, you know, the way 618 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 5: margarita will hoooped her in the forehead, her eyes being closed. 619 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: She had to turn to her man. 620 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: I think I'm with you, Katie. I think she brought 621 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: a snake to the bar or whatever threw it in 622 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: her margarita, hopeing and become a reality star or something. 623 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: I'm strong, I'm strong, You're ready, Katie Green strong. 624 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. 625 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew 626 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 5: to wrap things up for the day. There he is 627 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 5: pressing the buttons. Michael Angelo. What's your final thought, Michael. Yeah, 628 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 5: I'm trying to think if I had a tramp stamp, 629 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: what it would say or what it would be, So 630 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 5: I guess it would be Kirkling signature. 631 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: You know, wow, affordable luxury. 632 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 3: Michael, I hear you. 633 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 5: Katie Green are esteemed to use woman as a final thought, Katie. 634 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 9: Michael and I are on the same page today because 635 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 9: I just text message to my tattoo artist and he's 636 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 9: going to drop a mock Armstrong and Getty tramp stamp. 637 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: I like it, except I don't think HR lets us 638 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: look at it so we can't see it ever. 639 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: Wow, too bad, jack. Final thought for us. 640 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: My youngest was at boy scout camp all weekend, so 641 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: my oldest and I went off to San Francisco and 642 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: split the weekend together. We hadn't done any thing just 643 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: the two of us in so long, which is a 644 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: crime shame. It was so freaking awesome. And he's fifteen 645 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: and a half when he'll be gone soon, And uh. 646 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 3: Ah, that's beautiful. I love that. My final thought. 647 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 5: I was looking at the reviews of this audio video 648 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 5: company see if I should hire them, and I noticed 649 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 5: there's one one star review and I went to it 650 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 5: and it reads terrible. I purchased to use Lexus and 651 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 5: had it delivered. Huge mistake. Paid over four thousand dollars 652 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 5: for the warranty. I was guaranteed the car was in 653 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 5: prime shape. Never do business with these people. It's like, 654 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 5: wait a minute, a car. This is the wrong business. Google, 655 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 5: What are you doing? Why is that review still there? 656 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 5: S dragging down the ratings? They're not a car dealer. 657 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the complaints people in businesses have 658 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 2: about the whole Google review. You'll previews, et cetera. Armstrong 659 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday, so. 660 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 3: Many people, thanks so little time. 661 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 5: Go to Armstrong and Getdy dot com for the hot 662 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 5: links for Katie's corner drops. Note if there's something we 663 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 5: want to be talking about, send it along to mailbag 664 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 5: at Armstrong and Getty dot com. 665 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: See tomorrow. God bless America. 666 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: I read President Trump's the Move with the aunt to 667 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: make I'm Strong and Getty. What do we want to 668 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: be losers or winners? 669 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 2: I want winners. I think you're star spangled as so good. 670 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 5: You know what. 671 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 2: Everyone knows that, So let's go with a buying it 672 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: needs a name. 673 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 5: The beaver pox or raccoon flow or I don't know, 674 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 5: pigeon fever. 675 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 676 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I like beef Box by Bye Armstrong and Getty